Chloe Confucius!!

[Polomontana]

You just can't watch happy people splash around, you have to grow some fins and jump in the water!!

Great advice Chloe!!

[tmkfan]

maybe she should take it herself

hoe talks to clark all day and knows about how he'll feel about lana banging lex and that lex is a bad person yet she tells lana to do it

classic chloe

[sstray72]

Didn't like that? Well I guess you're not gonna like Chloe saving the day again...

It was kinda funny that Chloe would say such a thing since she's JUST NOW diving in herself. :lol:

[AnimeJoe]

maybe she should take it herself

hoe talks to clark all day and knows about how he'll feel about lana banging lex and that lex is a bad person yet she tells lana to do it

classic chloe

Lana banging Lex isn't up to Chloe or Clark. Lana and Lex are both adults.
Plus, Chloe can't tell Lana how to live her life, she can only be there for her as a friend and offer advice if Lana is willing to listen.

[tmkfan]

and as a friend she shouldve tell lana what she really thinks of lex, wtf, she knows more about lex than anyone else on the show!! she knew what he did to her in reckoning goshh

[sstray72]

Um, OF COURSE it's Chloe's fault. It always is, didn't you know that?

[tmkfan]

i thought it was lanas o_o

im not blaming chloe for lana sleeping with lex, thats only her stupid mistake, i just thought she couldve said something better than the crap she told lana

[bad3appels]

she told lana to bang lex...what a bii...i mean,not nice of her...
and i thought at least chloe is nice to everybody...i`m shocked

[cmm]

Originally posted by tmkfan
i thought it was lanas o_o

im not blaming chloe for lana sleeping with lex, thats only her stupid mistake, i just thought she couldve said something better than the crap she told lana

Why though?? Last time she tried she got her head bitten off by lana.

[Polomontana]

I think Chloe was telling Lana in a nice way to quit bugging her. Lana knows what she's getting into with Lex. Chloe said look, Lex would not be on any list if it was up to me but you have moved in with him and I'm not gonna spend the next 30 days listening to you argue with yourself. Make a decision Lana, Geesh. We all have to make decisions and some turn out good and others bad but make one!!!

[bad3appels]

how was the sex scene??

[AnimeJoe]

I honestly don't remember a scene where Chloe told Lana that she should "bang" Lex... ;)

[khufu]

Originally posted by tmkfan
and as a friend she shouldve tell lana what she really thinks of lex, wtf, she knows more about lex than anyone else on the show!! she knew what he did to her in reckoning goshh She did! The first thing she said was that Lex wouldn't even be on her list. But ultimately, if Lana wants to be with Lex in a relationship, then all Chloe can do is offer relationship advice - which, by the way was not hypocritical, since Chloe was basically taking that same advice herself.

[bad3appels]

i`m only reading..i have no idea what you guys saw :lol:
how was the sex scene?? :lol:

[AnimeJoe]

how was the sex scene??

Tender :)

[moira]

i've seen better

[eas]

Chloe was incredibily unrealistic in this episode. (Then again, she is in most episodes.) But this one was way over the top.

1 - She reads the medical chart.
2 - She figures out that "electricity denatures enzymes"
3 - She uses a defibralator on Jimmy (how the hell did she even know how to use one???)

SuperChloe to the rescue yet once again while Clark just stood around helplessly with no clue. They should just change the name of the show to "The Chloe Sullivan Show" and get it over with. She used to be one of my favorite characters, but I can't take much more of this. Incredibly bad writing.

[LolaDane]

Originally posted by eas
Chloe was incredibily unrealistic in this episode. (Then again, she is in most episodes.) But this one was way over the top.

1 - She reads the medical chart.
2 - She figures out that "electricity denatures enzymes"
3 - She uses a defibralator on Jimmy (how the hell did she even know how to use one???)

SuperChloe to the rescue yet once again while Clark just stood around helplessly with no clue. They should just change the name of the show to "The Chloe Sullivan Show" and get it over with. She used to be one of my favorite characters, but I can't take much more of this. Incredibly bad writing.

Agreed. I found the writing to be incredibly lazy in this episode, particularly in the use of Chloe to move the plot points along. I'm starting to believe that there is nothing in this world that she can't do -- be it interning at the Daily Planet, saving Clark's bacon on a daily basis, doling out relationship advice in her spare time...I think she's SV's very own Jedi Master Yoda.

I predict the writers will be having her disarm North Korea's nuclear testing system with her iPod in a future episode. :lol: Either the writers need to tone her down or amp up the other characters' brain power 'cause this is getting ridiculous. :\

[Kal_on_Red_Kryptonite]

Originally posted by LolaDane
Agreed. I found the writing to be incredibly lazy in this episode, particularly in the use of Chloe to move the plot points along. I'm starting to believe that there is nothing in this world that she can't do -- be it interning at the Daily Planet, saving Clark's bacon on a daily basis, doling out relationship advice in her spare time...I think she's SV's very own Jedi Master Yoda.

I predict the writers will be having her disarm North Korea's nuclear testing system with her iPod in a future episode. :lol: Either the writers need to tone her down or amp up the other characters' brain power 'cause this is getting ridiculous. :\


I understand how you feel. I mean....I like Chloe, but come on. It really does almost feel like she has become the one with super powers and Clark is just her sidekick.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by LolaDane
Agreed. I found the writing to be incredibly lazy in this episode, particularly in the use of Chloe to move the plot points along. I'm starting to believe that there is nothing in this world that she can't do -- be it interning at the Daily Planet, saving Clark's bacon on a daily basis, doling out relationship advice in her spare time...I think she's SV's very own Jedi Master Yoda.

I predict the writers will be having her disarm North Korea's nuclear testing system with her iPod in a future episode. :lol: Either the writers need to tone her down or amp up the other characters' brain power 'cause this is getting ridiculous. :\

Funny thing is, a few well placed lines and a little more thought into some of the scenes would increase the credibility of the show tremendously, without sacrificing Chloe's character, the drama or Clark's intelligence. If Chloe was shown fumbling with the controls of the defibrilator and making a few choice comments that she has no idea what she is doing, it would make the scene all the more believable, but the writers seem to live in their own world where they think that if they write it the fans will come.

I pointed out in a thread for Sneeze that if Clark took Chloe's suggestion to sneeze one step further and worked out on his that he could blow the door down, that scene would have balanced out a lot better and Clark wouldn't have stood there like an idiot, as always. It would quite easy to portray Clark more intelligently without taking anything away from his relationship with Chloe, the pace of the show or the major plot points they need to achieve. Yet they continue to portray Clark as the dumb muscle and Chloe the brains. I am a huge Chloe fan, but that needs to change.

[LolaDane]

Originally posted by Nospam
Funny thing is, a few well placed lines and a little more thought into some of the scenes would increase the credibility of the show tremendously, without sacrificing Chloe's character, the drama or Clark's intelligence. If Chloe was shown fumbling with the controls of the defibrilator and making a few choice comments that she has no idea what she is doing, it would make the scene all the more believable, but the writers seem to live in their own world where they think that if they write it the fans will come.

I pointed out in a thread for Sneeze that if Clark took Chloe's suggestion to sneeze one step further and worked out on his that he could blow the door down, that scene would have balanced out a lot better and Clark wouldn't have stood there like an idiot, as always. It would quite easy to portray Clark more intelligently without taking anything away from his relationship with Chloe, the pace of the show or the major plot points they need to achieve. Yet they continue to portray Clark as the dumb muscle and Chloe the brains. I am a huge Chloe fan, but that needs to change.

That's a very good post. I agree that a few tweaks here and there would help with credibility. Granted, I don't watch SV for gritty realism, but sometimes I feel the writers really push me beyond suspension of disbelief -- like I need a lobotomy or something to accept what they pass off as "real." lol And of course, this isn't just limited to Chloe or Clark. All the characters of the show suffer from this lazy writing, which unfortunately, sometimes makes them look like grossly exaggerated caricatures instead of flesh-and-blood-relatable characters.

[AlwaysAround]

Originally posted by bad3appels
how was the sex scene??

As lame as the rest of the show.
Got to see Lana's back for the upteenth time.
Oh and for the Rosenbaum fans: you also got to see Lex barechested and baby oiled in that classic softcore porn kinda way. :p :lol:

[khufu]

Originally posted by eas
Chloe was incredibily unrealistic in this episode. (Then again, she is in most episodes.) But this one was way over the top.

1 - She reads the medical chart.
2 - She figures out that "electricity denatures enzymes"
3 - She uses a defibralator on Jimmy (how the hell did she even know how to use one???)

SuperChloe to the rescue yet once again while Clark just stood around helplessly with no clue. They should just change the name of the show to "The Chloe Sullivan Show" and get it over with. She used to be one of my favorite characters, but I can't take much more of this. Incredibly bad writing. Well sana, the answers are:

All she did was look at it and say "wow this guy's messed up". She didn't make any fancy diagnosis or anything, not to mention it says "CRITICAL" right on the top of the page.
She sent a cutting to her botony professor at MetU, who she was in contact with more than once throughout the episode. So I guess if being enrolled in college makes her "SuperChloe" than I must be SuperKhufu.
Seriously, I kid you not... all she did was turn a nob. No secret codes, no complicated start up sequence. All she did was turn the dial from "off" to "on". Wow, that SuperChloe rivals even Brainiac!

[p.he.nix]

Maybe it would have helped if Clark for a change actually went out and did some work rather than Chloe doing all the mind work.

[dance-shop-snark]

Originally posted by khufu
Well sana, the answers are:

All she did was look at it and say "wow this guy's messed up". She didn't make any fancy diagnosis or anything, not to mention it says "CRITICAL" right on the top of the page.
She sent a cutting to her botony professor at MetU, who she was in contact with more than once throughout the episode. So I guess if being enrolled in college makes her "SuperChloe" than I must be SuperKhufu.
Seriously, I kid you not... all she did was turn a nob. No secret codes, no complicated start up sequence. All she did was turn the dial from "off" to "on". Wow, that SuperChloe rivals even Brainiac!


all good points..

Not to mention:

Chloe was really unsure sounding when she used the device on jimmy.

I seem to remember a "please don't let me kill him."

[Deana]

Originally posted by eas
Chloe was incredibily unrealistic in this episode. (Then again, she is in most episodes.) But this one was way over the top.

1 - She reads the medical chart.
2 - She figures out that "electricity denatures enzymes"
3 - She uses a defibralator on Jimmy (how the hell did she even know how to use one???)

SuperChloe to the rescue yet once again while Clark just stood around helplessly with no clue. They should just change the name of the show to "The Chloe Sullivan Show" and get it over with. She used to be one of my favorite characters, but I can't take much more of this. Incredibly bad writing.

Quoted for truth. If they are following the formula from season five...it can only get worse.

[khufu]

Originally posted by Deana
Quoted for truth. If they are following the formula from season five...it can only get worse. Lol, quoted "for truth"? Maybe you missed my reply above (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2524080#post2524080) where I clearly explained why there was absolutely nothing unusual about what Chloe did that episode. See, the problem with EDLois is that you get so used to having low expectations that as soon as someone does something halfway intelligent it comes off as completely genius! OMG, Chloe was smart enough to ask her professor about some plants! She's smarter than Stephen Hawking!!!

[Nospam]

Originally posted by khufu
Lol, quoted "for truth"? Maybe you missed my reply above (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2524080#post2524080) where I clearly explained why there was absolutely nothing unusual about what Chloe did that episode. See, the problem with EDLois is that you get so used to having low expectations that as soon as someone does something halfway intelligent it comes off as completely genius! OMG, Chloe was smart enough to ask her professor about some plants! She's smarter than Stephen Hawking!!!

I thought you did a great job of pointing out that Chloe really didn't work any miracles this episode, perhaps other than gumption. I was initially critical of the scene where Chloe applied the defibrillator to Jimmy as another Chloe miracle. I watched the scene again and you're right, Chloe was very apprehensive when operating it and worried out loud that she might kill Jimmy. I think the writers are trying to bring Chloe's character into balance and stop using her as a plot manipulator and her comment to Clark in Sneeze that he doesn't give her enough credit for all the hacking she does is a good example of this.

I don't think the criticism is completely unwarranted, however, as Chloe has pulled a lot of rabbits out of a lot of hats in the past, but a lot of people are complaining about Chloe when really their issue is with Clark. So many times Chloe expounds on the current situation or problem and Clark just stands there contributing little or nothing. Then, off he goes like a superpowered Girl Friday to save the day. It's too early to say that this formula will continue into this season, but it was certainly the case last season and as far back as I can remember. People want to see a little more proactive Clark and less of the Chloe is the brains and Clark the brawn, or at least a balance between the two.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Nospam
I don't think the criticism is completely unwarranted, however, as Chloe has pulled a lot of rabbits out of a lot of hats in the past, but a lot of people are complaining about Chloe when really their issue is with Clark. So many times Chloe expounds on the current situation or problem and Clark just stands there contributing little or nothing. Then, off he goes like a superpowered Girl Friday to save the day. It's too early to say that this formula will continue into this season, but it was certainly the case last season and as far back as I can remember. People want to see a little more proactive Clark and less of the Chloe is the brains and Clark the brawn, or at least a balance between the two.

...that's why I hated even the last few minutes of 'wither'. Clark sitting in the barn throwing a baseball. Is that what he's gonna do when Chloe is busy all day, with her boyfriend?!? I mean, without her he can't possibly solve any kind of situation... I think it was OK to show him alone/lonely, we got the message - but I mean he could still have been doing something, anything...

[bigville]

Nospam, I agree with you. They made Chloe way too intuitive at times. Especially how she can manage to crack encryption keys and things like that. I'm like, wow, did she attend hacker conventions in her free time

[chlarkfan333]

I agree that Chloe is used all too frequently to advance the plot in an unrealistic manner and the series is at a point where Clark needs to be the one saving the day. That said, I don't think Chloe was unrealistic (more so than usual) in 'Wither.'

First off, knowing basic biology should be a given if one graduates from highschool and is in college. :rolleyes: So, I see no reason why she couldn't have deduced a way to solve the problem.

Secondly as Khufu has pointed out, Chloe's hesistancy was apparent in that statement before she 'paddled' Jimmy.

Thirdly, the part about her reading the medical chart is hardly a biggie. It happens all the time in different shows and with different characters. However, it always bugs me no matter the character in question.

Lastly, her hacking abilities I cannot speak to because I am not one and I don't know any either who can give an INFORMED opinion as to exactly how unrealistic it is for Chloe to do the things she does.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by eas
Chloe was incredibily unrealistic in this episode. (Then again, she is in most episodes.) But this one was way over the top.

1 - She reads the medical chart.
2 - She figures out that "electricity denatures enzymes"
3 - She uses a defibralator on Jimmy (how the hell did she even know how to use one???)

SuperChloe to the rescue yet once again while Clark just stood around helplessly with no clue. They should just change the name of the show to "The Chloe Sullivan Show" and get it over with. She used to be one of my favorite characters, but I can't take much more of this. Incredibly bad writing.

I agree, but this type of stuff is done in every episode like you said. I still can't figure out how, in Mercy, she realized that a tranceiver was state of the art and that she was able to redirect it's signal to find out where Lionel was.

And in Sneeze, how she knew off the top of her head who Lex's PI was when Clark mentinoed the name is beyond me. That is incredibly lazy writing.

[khufu]

Originally posted by myankskent
I agree, but this type of stuff is done in every episode like you said. I still can't figure out how, in Mercy, she realized that a tranceiver was state of the art and that she was able to redirect it's signal to find out where Lionel was.

And in Sneeze, how she knew off the top of her head who Lex's PI was when Clark mentinoed the name is beyond me. That is incredibly lazy writing. You must have closed your eyes and scrolled past my post, I can understand that. About her knowing who Pontius was, how is that unusual? Chloe is eager and enthusiastic about all things related to investigative journalism, so why is it unrealistic to think that she would be familiar with the name of the highest paid private investigator in the city? I would think a guy like that would have made a name for himself.

[Liriel]

why is it unrealistic to think that she would be familiar with the name of the highest paid private investigator in the city? Exactly. I'll reference Remington Steele here - a show about the best private detective agency in the city. They got articles in the papers about them (well, him, not the other detectives at the agency) all the time. It makes sense that any investigative reporter, even beginning ones would know who one of, if not the, best detective in the city is.

[jmf1977]

Chloe is used too much in this show. I agree with another post where they should rename this show "The Chloe Sullivan Show"... I feel like I'm constantly watching the Clark and Chloe investigate show. Everything about Chloe's character is written unrealistically. Apparently Clark cannot even be super without her around. I mean Chloe advising Clark to blow and pouff... one gets superbreath! With the writers going in this direction, I think Chloe will even sow Clark's Superman suit 10 years from now!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by jmf1977
With the writers going in this direction, I think Chloe will even sow Clark's Superman suit 10 years from now!

...and she will most likely teach Clark how to fly, by pushing him off a building and telling him: 'Don't worry, I'll catch you if you fall...'.
:rolleyes:

Sometimes I think the writers are just lazy and use Chloe as the most convenient method to resolve the situation. This is very dangerous as it blocks Clark's development and threatens to destroy the beautiful Chloe character they spent so much time building over the years...