TV Ratings for Wither

[superhippie2000]

When we get the ratings talk about them here.

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THIS THREAD IS TO DISCUSS TV RATINGS ONLY.

Please do not rate the episode and discuss it here. This is to discuss the tv ratings that the episode receives.







Anyone think the ratings will go higher this episode then the last 2? i hope so.

[Krypto/DQ/]

I don't think the rating will be higher than 4.4 millions, the episode was not that good.

[pags3223]

Remember, though, that quality of the episode does not really affect it's numbers...it will have more of an impact on next week.

I will also say that, perhaps it is just me or my area, but I do not recally seeing much advertising concerning this episode, or Smallville in general. Were I not such a fan of the show, I would have completely forgotten to watch.

I have stated before and will state again, the PR/Marketing department for the CW is failing miserably. They spend more time promoting "The New CW" and not WHAT'S ON the new CW. I'm sure as heck not going to the new restaurant until I know what they serve.

[superhippie2000]

i hope this week doesnt effect next weeks episode cause it seems like it will be a lot better. unless they decided to add in 5 other plotlines agian.

[Superman_Beyond]

Zap2it.com

At 8 p.m., CBS' "Survivor" delivered a somewhat soft 9.4 rating, but still held off ABC's "Ugly Betty," which had a 9.3/15 (nearly two million viewers more watched the CBS reality show). NBC's "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office" averaged a 5.7/9 between them for third, well ahead of the start of the Cardinals and Mets on FOX. The CW's "Smallville" had a 2.9/5 for fifth.

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by Superman_Beyond
Zap2it.com

At 8 p.m., CBS' "Survivor" delivered a somewhat soft 9.4 rating, but still held off ABC's "Ugly Betty," which had a 9.3/15 (nearly two million viewers more watched the CBS reality show). NBC's "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office" averaged a 5.7/9 between them for third, well ahead of the start of the Cardinals and Mets on FOX. The CW's "Smallville" had a 2.9/5 for fifth.

Can someone please explain the numbers to me? Why does it say 2.9 on Zap2it, and 3.6 on the other site?

And how does this compare to last year at the same time?

And what does each number represent . . . the one before the slash, and the one after?

thanks

[Best Episode - 321]

From mediaweek

The CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #5, 3.6/ 6; Viewers: #5, 4.93 million; A18-49: #5, #4, 2.2/ 6) continues to hold its own in one of the most competitive hours in television

The CW’s Supernatural capped off the hour with a last-place 2.6/ 4 in the overnights, 3.70 million viewers and a 1.6/ 4 among adults 18-49. Considering the severity of the competition, retention for Supernatural out of Smallville of 72 percent in the overnights, 75 percent in total viewers and 73 percent among adults 18-49 was not bad. And both Smallville and Supernatural posted growth from one week earlier.

[Timester]

Better than last week, maybe even better than the premiere.

[paolinki25]

Wow. It did better than last week. Interesting. Thanks for the info. :)

[Timester]

We have to thank Clana to the rise of the ratings. Yes, that invisible Clana scene that happened in "Wither". Because we all know that Clana = ratings.

Saying this, can we stop once and for all with the "Clana = ratings" ********?

PS: For those who are wondering why I wrote this, read last week's episode rating thread. ;)

[ScrappyTheOwl]

Originally posted by ajfinn
Can someone please explain the numbers to me? Why does it say 2.9 on Zap2it, and 3.6 on the other site?

Look at the three major sources:
Zap2It: http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/
the futon critic: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings.aspx?id=thursday
MediaWeek: http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

All three sources use Nielsen numbers of course, but only *specific* numbers. Nielsen has two data sources:

1. "National Measurement" - a sampling of 5,100 households(supposedly a "scientific [selection of] a group of households that mirrors the population at large" according to their website - Right.) -- all of the households have Nielsen "People Meters" so they know which person in a household is watching what when (this is how they get the numbers for how many women 18-49 are watching, for example)

2. "Local Measurement" (also called "metered market ratings") - a sampling of 22,400-28,000 households in the 56 biggest markets in the U.S. (the biggest markets has the biggest spenders -- obviously, advertisers would be very interested in the Local Measurement numbers)

[Household shares: all persons in each household all combined; Demographic shares: specific to age and/or sex, for example Adults 18-49 or Women 18-34.]

Zap2It and the futon critic use the "National Measurement" ratings for their household shares and demographic shares.

MediaWeek uses the "Local Measurement" ratings for their household shares, and the "National Measurement" ratings for their demographic shares.

That is why you'll find the household shares ratings are always different (MediaWeek drastically, Zap2It and the futon critic only vary slightly - given that they use the same measurement) while the demographic shares are always the same.


Originally posted by ajfinn
And what does each number represent . . . the one before the slash, and the one after?
If a number were, for example, 3.0/5, it represents:
3.0: called the "ratings point" -- this means that 3% of the total households in the U.S. were watching Smallville
5: called the "share" -- this means that 5% of the TVs in the U.S. were tuned to Smallville

Does that make sense? The share is the percentage of TVs tuned in to Smallville, while the ratings point reflects the actual percentage of people in the households watching Smallville. For example, if you take a 5-member household in which 3 were watching and 2 weren't, you'd say that household has a 3.0/5 share.

[superman_115]

How this week did better than last week blows my mind. What a bad episode to tune into and especially turn off from next week's.

[Timester]

Originally posted by superman_115
How this week did better than last week blows my mind. What a bad episode to tune into and especially turn off from next week's.

The ratings are always influenced by the previous episodes.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Which means the ratings for next one are going to be a disaster :D

[Timester]

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Which means the ratings for next one are going to be a disaster :D

Next week is a total gamble, since it is a DC Superhero episode and those usually get good ratings.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by Timester
Next week is a total gamble, since it is a DC Superhero episode and those usually get good ratings.

Good point, I guess you're right.

[supes0]

Originally posted by Timester
We have to thank Clana to the rise of the ratings.



Or perhaps it's the Lexana? Hmmm....

;)

[Fly by guy]

We have already seen Ollie. I don't think putting him in different clothes will bring in more viewers especially after the awful Wither. It's logical that the ratings for each episode are affected by the previous episodes, so next week should be the lowest yet.

Luckily, we won't have Clana to blame for THAT. Right Timester?
I think the new CW would love to have some of last season's Clana driven episode ratings like the 5.9s for Mortal and Hidden. I guess your waiting to see the tights and cape as he flies off from the Daily Planet. There's one episode. What about the next week?

[myankskent]

Let me just say one thing. When you advertise a DC comics character, the episode will get good ratings. This episode was advertised as a Green Arrow episode and the next episode is advertised as a Green Arrow episode. Even in the second half of season 5, Cyborg got big ratings during a ratings decline. The real question is, will this GA arc be good enough to bring in viewers on a steady basis? I think it's pretty clear that this show is not good enough anymore to put up a Thirst type promo and get away with it with good ratings. So regardless of the fact that the ratings for this episode went up, it still doesn't prove that fans are tuning in for the main characters, it proves that fans are tuning in for the DC comics characters. And lets also remember that the ratings this season aren't anywhere near the ratings for last season.

[azi]

Is this show about Green Arrow or about Clark? Yeah, Clark’ storyline is kind of boring now . Notice sarcasm.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
Luckily, we won't have Clana to blame for THAT. Right Timester?

Did I ever blamed Clana for the ratings? :confused:


Originally posted by myankskent
Let me just say one thing. When you advertise a DC comics character, the episode will get good ratings. This episode was advertised as a Green Arrow episode and the next episode is advertised as a Green Arrow episode. Even in the second half of season 5, Cyborg got big ratings during a ratings decline. The real question is, will this GA arc be good enough to bring in viewers on a steady basis? I think it's pretty clear that this show is not good enough anymore to put up a Thirst type promo and get away with it with good ratings. So regardless of the fact that the ratings for this episode went up, it still doesn't prove that fans are tuning in for the main characters, it proves that fans are tuning in for the DC comics characters. And lets also remember that the ratings this season aren't anywhere near the ratings for last season.

Yep, that's why I said that next week episode is a gamble. It's so sad to see that Smallville is handling well due gimmicks and not the plot. :\

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl
Look at the three major sources:
Zap2It: http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/
the futon critic: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings.aspx?id=thursday
MediaWeek: http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

All three sources use Nielsen numbers of course, but only *specific* numbers. Nielsen has two data sources:

1. "National Measurement" - a sampling of 5,100 households(supposedly a "scientific [selection of] a group of households that mirrors the population at large" according to their website - Right.) -- all of the households have Nielsen "People Meters" so they know which person in a household is watching what when (this is how they get the numbers for how many women 18-49 are watching, for example)

2. "Local Measurement" (also called "metered market ratings") - a sampling of 22,400-28,000 households in the 56 biggest markets in the U.S. (the biggest markets has the biggest spenders -- obviously, advertisers would be very interested in the Local Measurement numbers)

[Household shares: all persons in each household all combined; Demographic shares: specific to age and/or sex, for example Adults 18-49 or Women 18-34.]

Zap2It and the futon critic use the "National Measurement" ratings for their household shares and demographic shares.

MediaWeek uses the "Local Measurement" ratings for their household shares, and the "National Measurement" ratings for their demographic shares.

That is why you'll find the household shares ratings are always different (MediaWeek drastically, Zap2It and the futon critic only vary slightly - given that they use the same measurement) while the demographic shares are always the same.


If a number were, for example, 3.0/5, it represents:
3.0: called the "ratings point" -- this means that 3% of the total households in the U.S. were watching Smallville
5: called the "share" -- this means that 5% of the TVs in the U.S. were tuned to Smallville

Does that make sense? The share is the percentage of TVs tuned in to Smallville, while the ratings point reflects the actual percentage of people in the households watching Smallville. For example, if you take a 5-member household in which 3 were watching and 2 weren't, you'd say that household has a 3.0/5 share.

THANK YOU, SCRAPPY!!! That was so nice of you to take so much time to answer my questions!!

Weren't we in the 6's this time last year? Someone in an eariler ratings thread said that K-site has the history of ratings somewhere, but where? Anyone know? Just curious.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Timester

Yep, that's why I said that next week episode is a gamble. It's so sad to see that Smallville is handling well due gimmicks and not the plot. :\

And you know what? That'll be what gets them picked up. It's no coincidence that GA is going to be featured in a long arc. If he was only in one episode, the ratings would be really bad because the main characters are involved in terrible storylines, from lexana to Clark still not having scenes with Jor-El to Lex basically being a hero these days. I mean really, has this guy done anything remotely evil since Cyborg?


Originally posted by azi
Is this show about Green Arrow or about Clark? Yeah, Clark’ storyline is kind of boring now . Notice sarcasm.

Give TPTB credit. They know that DC comics characters get big ratings. Cyborg is a huge example of that considering the fact that the episodes around it, Hypnotic and Tomb, were much lower in terms of ratings than it. Since they've hit a brick wall with the main characters, they'll just continue to roll out more and more DC comics characters.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by myankskent
Give TPTB credit. They know that DC comics characters get big ratings. Cyborg is a huge example of that considering the fact that the episodes around it, Hypnotic and Tomb, were much lower in terms of ratings than it. Since they've hit a brick wall with the main characters, they'll just continue to roll out more and more DC comics characters.


Word.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Timester
Saying this, can we stop once and for all with the "Clana = ratings" ********?

Yeah, that would be nice...

[Rafael122]

So it got a 4.9 rating? K...don't look at the 2.9/5 share stuff because its not the real rating, its the overnight (IIRC). Mediaweek usually posts the final rating.

BTW, is Smallville one of CW's highest rated shows? They moved 7th heaven around this past week, so I'm assuming some of these shows aren't doing so well.

[buddy232]

The good Clana episodes have always been the highest ratings! Who wants to watch Lexana, Super Chloe, nice guy Lex, or Green Arrow! The main characters of Clark, Lana, and Martha have been destroyed by the writers! Smallville is over! Lexana sex was proof of how deperate they have become!

Most real Superman fan do not like seeing Clark as a wimp, Lana with Lex or Martha with Lionel. I am not crazy about Lana either but in the comic she was always true to Clark/Superman, even when she was kidnapped by Lex and was tortured.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by buddy232
The good Clana episodes have always been the highest ratings! Who wants to watch Lexana, Super Chloe, nice guy Lex, or Green Arrow! The main characters of Clark, Lana, and Martha have been destroyed by the writers! Smallville is over! Lexana sex was proof of how deperate they have become!

Most real Superman fan do not like seeing Clark as a wimp, Lana with Lex or Martha with Lionel. I am not crazy about Lana either but in the comic she was always true to Clark/Superman, even when she was kidnapped by Lex and was tortured.

Important thing to remember is that being Tom & KK are considered two of the top three (at least billing wise)....so TPTB will generally write epic Clana stuff and put it into the Climatic important episodes. Episodes which even without the Clana would have garnered high ratings anyway. Hence, why I feel your "Clana = ratings" is (for everyone who constantly uses this argument) and always will be fairly flawed when presented the way you do here. Clana is only a part of this show. A part that I'm sure helps bring in ratings but certainly not all by itself. So to simply persue Clana just to please the Clana fans, and to ignore all the other fans that have stayed loyal to this show is a ratings disaster waiting to happen (especially with the CW's shakey start). To me it seems obvious that only Clana fans seem content with Clana anymore (actually for a long while now)....everybody else appears to be sick to death of it.

I think TPTB realize this, and hence why they try to keep Lana in a workable storyline (aka: with Lexy boy now). The ratings decline is also a combined effect that results not only from people sick of the Clana, but people upset that they are not getting the Clana, people who dislike this version of the BDA (as you mention), fans upset on how they're treating the Mythos, or simply people who are just sick to death of seeing Clark's God Awful Red Jacket.

(I myself prefer the blue jacket......at least it's better than the red one).

For the Record though.....I completely enjoyed "Wither"! Not just for the X-Files feel of it, but for all of the character interactions....give or take a little flaw, here and there (and despite Green Arrow being kind of a dick/jerk to Lex at the ball). I don't think I've enjoyed re-watching an episode (over and over) this much since "Solitude".


And I really enjoy Super Chloe! When there's good detective work involved that is. It's actually good training for the BDA. Good training for the Future when the World's Real "Greatest Detective".....(aka: The Batman) is showing Clarkie how things REALLY GET DONE!

[Forget Chlimmy! Let's Get "The Detectives" together.......Yes!.........Get down to the TRUTH with CHRUCE!

Ahhh, again as always....whom I kidding, they'll never go that route]

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Timester
Next week is a total gamble, since it is a DC Superhero episode and those usually get good ratings.

i thought we were watchin a show about a DC charachter.:lol:

[chlarkfan333]

I'm sure SV can survive and even thrive sans Clana if it capitalises on all the other characters, arcs, and relationships (romantic and otherwise) it has. Zod and Sneeze went a long way I think toward this end. Wither had it's moments as well, but less so.

[paolinki25]

Jeez, I hate when people equal Clana to ratings. Give us good, decent, Clark centered storylines, and you'll get good ratings! Plain and simple.

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
I'm sure SV can survive and even thrive sans Clana if it capitalises on all the other characters, arcs, and relationships (romantic and otherwise) it has. Zod and Sneeze went a long way I think toward this end. Wither had it's moments as well, but less so.

The problem at this point with new characters and new arcs is that there are about 1.3 million less viewers than this time LAST season to notice the change.

If the first three eps. last season got 5.9 million each and Zod is what 5.04 and Sneeze, Whither at 4.6 million each then the DIRECTION is wrong. Aqua, Solitude, and Cyborg were good one episode hits but Cyborg didn't carry any momentum into the final third of the season. I predicted Zod should do 5.5 million to be a successful leadin for the first 4 episodes to set the tone. The tone was a dull THUD. I don't know if "robin hood" I mean Green Arrow can help that much. At least with Aqua, we only had to endure the "Bro" for one episode, proving there is a god.

From my perspective, Jimmy and Ollie are their to give poor Chloe and Lois the beaus their fans think they need. At least it COULD give a reason for Lois to be on the show besides stripping and *****ing.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
The problem at this point with new characters and new arcs is that there are about 1.3 million less viewers than this time LAST season to notice the change.

The problem is that EVERY SINGLE SHOW on CW lost the around same numbers and Smallville is actually one of the most watched CW shows.

[ajfinn]

Can't blame the CW for the ratings, imo, since SV's ratings slowly started flushing down the toilet following Reckoning.

The first of last year was SV's strongest showing ever, right?

And then what happened? Repetition & character assasination are running themes lately.

I swear I've heard the same lines and conversations SOOOOOOOO many times that I could walk on the SV set and step in for ANY of the characters :lol: Any of us probably could!

If we stick to these general lines, we could pass as actors in just about ANY Smallville scene:

Clark ...... I suck, I hate myself. Everyone is miserable because of me. *cue loft scene -- give him ball to play with, picture to look at, or telescope to smash .... and insert (Chloe, Lois, Martha) to tell him he will one day learn from the same mistakes he keeps making over and over again.*

Lana ........ Clark doesn't love me. What can make me feel better about myself? *cue drug plot, lexana ... blah blah, another trip to the hospital after getting stabbed, strangled or thrown into a wall*

Chloe ......... Here I am to save the day!!!!!!!!!!!! Mighty mouth is on her way!!!!!! *cue rapidly typing fingers that can break into ANY given system in 3.5 seconds flat*

Lois .... Hey, Smallville, you stink NOW, but you never know who's lurking around the corner . . . ME!!! *cue Superman music*

Martha .... Clark, you're making your father proud. Your mistakes will make you into the man you need to become. *Cue Lionel walking in ..... sinister, yet mysteriously romantic music plays in background*

Easiest of all:

Lex ........ I'VE BEEN SHOT! *cue rolling eyes of 4.5 million viewers*


Sigh :rolleyes:

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by thehenry89
i thought we were watchin a show about a DC charachter.:lol:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


The Irony

any way, so I guess the baseball did affect last week,

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by ajfinn
Can't blame the CW for the ratings, imo, since SV's ratings slowly started flushing down the toilet following Reckoning.

The first of last year was SV's strongest showing ever, right?



Oh yes you can! Or more to the point.....you can't disprove what Timester is saying. If you want to claim that Smallville lost viewers after Reckoning....that's fine (I don't think anyone is arguing that) but since ratings where down accross the boards for all shows on the CW, Smallville should then be doing even worse than the Final of season five. But the CW Smallville premiere ended up at about the same. The ratings did drop slightly for the Second Episode (probably due to Baseball....although this point is debatable, but it's absolutely what I believe happened). Then the third episode comes in at just about what the premiere did (unless the final figure drops significantly between today and tomorrow). Again, and following your logic....given that all the CW shows suffered accross the board Smallville (unless you think it's immune for some reason)shouldn't be at the same level as the WB's Smallville finale.

Actually I think the CW's slow start has shown them that Smallville has a resilient fan base. I agree with you that ratings did decline during the last half of Season five, and I believe it was for a variety of reasons....but again, and given the circumstances.... Timesters take is just as valid as yours.

An interesting question to ask.....is what would the ratings have been if the WB had continued. Personally, I don't believe it would have been anywhere near last years premiere......but I think it would have been slightly on the lower end of somewhere in between. Which to me would have only proved that you can't please everybody.

On a different subject.....and in regards to your "Dumb-el of Krypton"......I was rewatching "Extinction" (as it re-aired last Saturday) and I noticed something I really miss from the first couple of seasons.....and Intelligent Clark. There's this one scene in particular where Chloe & Clark are bouncing detective ideas off each other and they both reached the truth together. They pieced the puzzle together! Yes, they figured out that it was a "Smavllville's version of a hate crime".....It was so cool. This just absolutely re-affirms my belief that just because Chloe's Smart.....it doesn't mean they have to write Clark as a dumb-el.....or vice a versa.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by paolinki25
Jeez, I hate when people equal Clana to ratings. Give us good, decent, Clark centered storylines, and you'll get good ratings! Plain and simple.

I am just waiting for people to equal Clois with ratings, soon...
<sigh.>

[neilmajithia]

TVtracker.com is saying smallville got 4.9m viewers? is this right? If it is then its better than the last ep, so we could assume sneeze was well received. Now it depends on what people thaught of wither and if people know what the next one is about.

[Kal-ed]

I sutain it was the baseball, I did before, but now that this numbers came out, was like a confirmation, since sneeze was a better overall episode, and it was a new power episode it should have done better than wither, but it didnt, cause of baseball, same reason Greys anatomy and GG didnt loose raitng points against baseball, cause their core fandom is not interested in baseball, but a large part of the SV core fandom is ( males 18-25) and prefered to whatch a baseball game, I did.

[Fly by guy]

Didn't they have baseball this time last year when the ratings were ummm.... high. The CW has only maintained ratings for SV that equal last seasons Oracle and Vessel ( which did a million less viewers than Commencement).

I guess we can wait a few more episodes for the final determination of what season 6 is doing. Baseball will be over and hopefully, the CW will be seen in more markets or on Direct TV. I wonder if by the first hiatus the show will be getting the great comeback buzz of last season. My two cents worth, "H### NO."

[*#~ ClAnAfAn99210~#*]

clois wont happen till nez=xt season or end of this one but lexana is gonna end and i dont think the reating went higher than 2.3 million cuz people just turn it off with the other alien stuff

[Timester]

Originally posted by *#~ ClAnAfAn99210~#*
clois wont happen till nez=xt season or end of this one but lexana is gonna end and i dont think the reating went higher than 2.3 million cuz people just turn it off with the other alien stuff

:confused:

[paolinki25]

Huh? Yeah, you lost me there too.

I don't know much about ratings, but I thought this episode did a little better than the first two of this season.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
Didn't they have baseball this time last year when the ratings were ummm.... high. The CW has only maintained ratings for SV that equal last seasons Oracle and Vessel ( which did a million less viewers than Commencement).

I guess we can wait a few more episodes for the final determination of what season 6 is doing. Baseball will be over and hopefully, the CW will be seen in more markets or on Direct TV. I wonder if by the first hiatus the show will be getting the great comeback buzz of last season. My two cents worth, "H### NO."

It depends on the game, who is playing whom, plus although there was baseball during this time Last season, I dont remeber if there was an actual game during SV time slot. Specially considering NY (the #1 viewer market in US) has a team in the finals (Mets). And last week during SV the Mets were playing the LA Dodger (LA is the #2 viewer market) So you have a male population 18-25 (a large part of SV´s core fandom) that is interested in baseball and are living in the #1 and #2 viewer market cities and their teams are playing each other, and add the rivalry that has always existed between any NY team and LA team, heck even in rap bussines that rivalry is evident. That definetively has to hit your ratings.

And a fact I consider that shouldnt be ignored is that ALL the shows in the CW lost a proportional amount of ratings since the networks merged.

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by CK&CK
On a different subject.....and in regards to your "Dumb-el of Krypton"......I was rewatching "Extinction" (as it re-aired last Saturday) and I noticed something I really miss from the first couple of seasons.....and Intelligent Clark. There's this one scene in particular where Chloe & Clark are bouncing detective ideas off each other and they both reached the truth together. They pieced the puzzle together! Yes, they figured out that it was a "Smavllville's version of a hate crime".....It was so cool. This just absolutely re-affirms my belief that just because Chloe's Smart.....it doesn't mean they have to write Clark as a dumb-el.....or vice a versa.

I agree, they write Clark like his brain is a rock. He RARELY, if ever (help me out here .. ) solves a problem on his own. I mean, friends are great to help out, but at this point, it seems like Clark is CHLOE'S sidekick, not the other way around.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by ajfinn
I agree, they write Clark like his brain is a rock. He RARELY, if ever (help me out here .. ) solves a problem on his own. I mean, friends are great to help out, but at this point, it seems like Clark is CHLOE'S sidekick, not the other way around.

Yep, and you'd have to go back to the earlier seasons to see him using his brain a little more often. To me it's the writters.....because it's certainly not Chloe's fault he's coming accross as somewhat slow. I mean.....John Steed & Emma Peel (The Avengers) had it.....Mulder & Scully (The X Files) had it.......Lex & Lionel definitely have it....yeah, the Luthors have it and in SPADES! (even if they're usually at odds instead of helping each other).

I remember watching an episode of Batman TAS, where Batman & Robin are figuring out some detective clues. Batman first finds a clue....then Robin zeros in on something unsual about the clue....then Bats takes it a step further......and just like that....they've pieced it together.....(very much like what Chloe & Clark did in that scene from "Extinction" that I mentioned).....yes, those two partners figured it out.....hence, the reason for the term "the Dynamic Duo".......kind of fun actually.....when it's done right. If you get a chance.....rewatch "Extinction".....and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. It's very obvious that sleuthing wise....Chloe hasn't changed much.....but Clark?........Ahhh, the light is not dawning as much on his marble head as it used to be.

[joesmallville]

Final numbers for the week

1. Top Model 5.5 million

2. Smallville 4.88 million

3. Gilmore Girls 4.71 million

[MBCorp]

Smallville was the second highest rate show on the CW network last week.

[Fly by guy]

Unfortunately for the CW, most of their top shows are getting long in the tooth. Generally, shows gradually lose ratings after their 3rd season, my guess being they move on to newer, fresher shows. However, SV recovered last season for a while but by the last half of the season, were back to season 4 numbers. WHY?

New network or bad stories, SV is too expensive to produce to do these low numbers. I speculated before that at the end of season 4 the numbers were so low that the writers decided in season 5 to shoot for the moon or their feet and go for the stories that interested them. A lot of people doubted a season 6 so they killed off Jonathon and went on with Lexana and worse a Lex/Zod possession. In prison terms, SV is dead man walking unless all these new guest stars can undo what poor writing destroyed, a 5 million plus fan base.

[Best Episode - 321]

10/09/06 THROUGH 10/15/06

AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL 5.50 mil
SMALLVILLE 4.88 mil
GILMORE GIRLS 4.71 mil
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN 3.83 mil
SUPERNATURAL 3.78 mil
ONE TREE HILL 3.25 mil
7TH HEAVEN 3.17 mil
EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS 3.03 mil
VERONICA MARS 2.96 mil
ALL OF US 2.51 mil
GIRLFRIENDS 2.47 mil
THE GAME 2.14 mil
RUNAWAY 1.79 mil

Link (http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=101706_06&from=mnsearch)

Only 3 CW shows got over 4 million viewers. For those that think Smallville is in trouble for declining ratings, the CW, as dumb as some decisions they made were, isn't stupid enough to relocate or cancel their 2nd most watched show that airs on TV's most competitive night.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Only 3 CW shows got over 4 million viewers. For those that think Smallville is in trouble for declining ratings, the CW, as dumb as some decisions they made were, isn't stupid enough to relocate or cancel their 2nd most watched show that airs on TV's most competitive night.

Good point. SV's ratings are fantastic compared to the craptastic ratings of other CW shows. No way will they get rid of a show that is actually getting decent ratings and does have a pretty solid fanbase.

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Smallville was the second highest rate show on the CW network last week.

In college sports terms that's like saying your the second best division II team in your conference. Looks good on paper but can't compete with the big dogs.;)

Advertisers will compare SV to other networks and timeslots. There is nothing good about being 2nd best on your network if you finish 5th and 6th in your timeslot. Being second best may keep them from cancellation, but it surely affects the buget and that deeply affect the special effects that are huge in superman stories.

Hopefully, the best storylines for season 6 are yet to come.

[Atomic girl]

I'm hoping someone can either correct me or give me new numbers for this new season.

In the past what I've heard is that Smallville did very well among younger aged viewers and the Movie Studios liked a place to advertise their weekend opening movies. Hence, even with not winning the night with all viewers, they were able to get very good advertising rates from the studios. So far all the ratings have been for total viewers. Could we get some broken down by demographics and also compared to the other networks that way? I'm hoping we would be able to see how SV has done in the coveted 18 - 35 year old demographic and if the numbers there have increased, decreased or stayed the same.

Another aside, I wonder if any of the people who follow these trends have taken into consideration the lack of CW stations and given us some honest opinions about how the ratings have or have not been affected by that. Movie studios want to reach a big audience and the lack of CW stations may influence their spending habits.

[Kal-ed]

Yeah but the SV core fandom range of age is the hardest to access, aparently we young adults (18-30) are not as loyal as other age targets, and I sort of guess why, given the life styles in that range its hard to be, I mean either its college, a pary of we are killing ourselves at work to be rich by the time we hit 35 we are less likely to put things on hold to watch a show, regardless of how good it is. I love Smallville but if there is a party thursday night, too bad, Ill wait for the rerunns or go to my friends that have tivo the next day. My point is that advertisers have a small amount of shows with a range from 15 to 30 with such high ratings. Other shows with more stable audiences (old people that watch tv all day, young teens that are not allowed to be out after 8pm, moms that need to be home taking care of their kids, that kind of target is a lot easier to reach and there is a variety of show to hit those targets. But like SV, not really, How many other shows have a target like SV and do as good or better???

So to sum up, 5 mill more or less is a very good number from the advertisers perspective that have very few shows with SV´s target, that have this numbers. Of course the numbers could be better, if the show improved, but lets wait and see if the CW picks up, it is a new Network, some people dont know what channel it is, some dont even get it, so lets wait and see. But I dont think AlMiles will get away that easily now with an epi like Thirst.