The Ending????

[Cat_Atak]

Clark blowing the rain clouds away.....hm interesting. Speaking of the butterfly effect(not the movie of course) he probably just caused a massive tsunami or hurricane somewhere :eek: . Chaos theory anyone????? ;)

[superman2411]

how he jus blew a couple of clouds away

[Timester]

Originally posted by superman2411
how he jus blew a couple of clouds away

Butterfly effect, a simple butterfly flying can create a tornado at the other side of the world. Clark changed the entire weather padron for that day.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Timester
Butterfly effect, a simple butterfly flying can create a tornado at the other side of the world. Clark changed the entire weather padron for that day.

Just another thing for Clark to fix. :D

[superman2411]

Originally posted by Timester
Butterfly effect, a simple butterfly flying can create a tornado at the other side of the world. Clark changed the entire weather padron for that day.

proof?

[Timester]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Just another thing for Clark to fix. :D

And Chloe wonders from where Lois got her article idea. :lol:

Lois and Perry would make a great team on investigating this. Because seeing farm doors and tractor failing from the sky is not a normal thing. :p

[Cat_Atak]

Its the Chaos theory. Look it up

[Timester]

Originally posted by superman2411
proof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

[superman2411]

theory so once again proof?

[Timester]

Originally posted by superman2411
theory so once again proof?

Uh? A scientific theory is a proof until someone can proof the opposite.

[s_q]

well in lois & clark series, clark prevents TSUNAMI tide, which is about to hit soem city, i think it was metropolis, and well superman goes under the water and digs a trench so the water gets sucked in. and ur complaining about some clouds he moved?

[Timester]

Originally posted by s_q
well in lois & clark series, clark prevents TSUNAMI tide, which is about to hit soem city, i think it was metropolis, and well superman goes under the water and digs a trench so the water gets sucked in. and ur complaining about some clouds he moved?

Sorry, but as one thing to do with the other? :confused:

[superman2411]

no no a theory is only a theory m8 thats why its called a theory!

[Timester]

Originally posted by superman2411
no no a theory is only a theory m8 thats why its called a theory!

:confused:

So Einstein's Relativity Theory, that lead to the pratical Nuclear Power, is wrong?

:confused:

[superman2411]

nope its a theory, but u stated that a butterfly flappin its wings can cause a tornado as a fact and i asked u for proof and u gave me a theory?

[s_q]

i dotn care about theories, im talking about u guys actually arguing with a fictional character and his abilties. the show really isnt about just superman and what he can do, it really is about giving others hope and how even the best have topugh times dealing with things.

oh i got muddled up in a whole diff argument here. u guys carry on. im out of this butterfly theory crap.

[superman2411]

o...k we didnt say superman wasnt about giving people hope, we r discussing would his actions have caused 'chaos' i think not but others think differently but thats ok this is why we have a message board to discuss things

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by superman2411
nope its a theory, but u stated that a butterfly flappin its wings can cause a tornado as a fact and i asked u for proof and u gave me a theory?

Clearly, you know nothing about Chaos theory/ butterfly effect since you are asking for proof. Simply put, a small change in the initial conditions of a system can lead to much larger changes down the line. It was first put forth by a meterologist named Lorenz and the point is that it's difficult to predict with accuracy the consequence of something seemingly as insignificant as a butterfly flapping it wings. Google the term Chaos if you are looking for proof as it's a fairly difficult concept and best left to experts to explain.

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I had the same reaction when Clark blew the clouds away.....butterfly effect!

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EDIT: superman2411, I don't mean to be harsh. Given that you are new to the boards, I would hate to sound unwelcoming. :)

[supes0]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
[B]Clearly, you know nothing about Chaos theory/ butterfly effect since you are asking for proof.


Here is more on the Chaos Theory:

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci759332,00.html


In a scientific context, the word chaos has a slightly different meaning than it does in its general usage as a state of confusion, lacking any order. Chaos, with reference to chaos theory, refers to an apparent lack of order in a system that nevertheless obeys particular laws or rules; this understanding of chaos is synonymous with dynamical instability, a condition discovered by the physicist Henri Poincare in the early 20th century that refers to an inherent lack of predictability in some physical systems. The two main components of chaos theory are the ideas that systems - no matter how complex they may be - rely upon an underlying order, and that very simple or small systems and events can cause very complex behaviors or events. This latter idea is known as sensitive dependence on initial conditions, a circumstance discovered by Edward Lorenz (who is generally credited as the first experimenter in the area of chaos) in the early 1960s.

Lorenz, a meteorologist, was running computerized equations to theoretically model and predict weather conditions. Having run a particular sequence, he decided to replicate it. Lorenz reentered the number from his printout, taken half-way through the sequence, and left it to run. What he found upon his return was, contrary to his expectations, these results were radically different from his first outcomes. Lorenz had, in fact, entered not precisely the same number, .506127, but the rounded figure of .506. According to all scientific expectations at that time, the resulting sequence should have differed only very slightly from the original trial, because measurement to three decimal places was considered to be fairly precise. Because the two figures were considered to be almost the same, the results should have likewise been similar. Since repeated experimentation proved otherwise, Lorenz concluded that the slightest difference in initial conditions - beyond human ability to measure - made prediction of past or future outcomes impossible, an idea that violated the basic conventions of physics. As the famed physicist Richard Feynman pointed out, "Physicists like to think that all you have to do is say, these are the conditions, now what happens next?"



Search out Lorenz's talk ""Predictability: Does the Flap of a Butterfly's Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?" to get the nitty gritty details.

You can also read Gleick's book "Chaos: Making a New Science" for a lighter read.

Amazon has it:

http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Making-Science-James-Gleick/dp/0140092501/sr=8-1/qid=1160175005/ref=sr_1_1/002-5616905-9857638?ie=UTF8&s=books

edited to add: the post below explains scientific theory.


I had the same reaction when Clark blew the clouds away.....butterfly effect!

me too.

[MyOwnSuperhero]

For those laymen who are saying 'but it's just a theory'.

When you think of a theory, you're thinking more along the lines of a hypothesis, an educated guess. A guess such as this may be right or wrong.

A scientific theory, by definition, is one that can be repeatedly tested without being proven wrong, that shows a high level of predictability regarding netural events, and has yet to be disproven.

Think theory of relativity. Think germ theory. These are two such 'theories' that are nigh irrefutable. However, because they can't be proven to be absolute fact in all instances universally, they are classified as theory.

[SlickBlonde]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MyOwnSuperhero


Think theory of relativity. Think germ theory. These are two such 'theories' that are nigh irrefutable. However, because they can't be proven to be absolute fact in all instances universally, they are classified as theory. [/QUOTE

exactly, once proven in such a capacity, a theory is then considered a law, such as the law of gravity. There are many theories that are highly reliable and useful that still are not considered scientific law

[Pantalaimon]

Within the context of chaos theory I don't think it makes a difference whether someone blows clouds away or drops a sheet of paper.

[ginnyfan]

He blew a huge rainstorm somewhere else that was expecting sun. At least... :)

[metropolis]

Originally posted by Timester
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect


Sorry, but you'll have to do better than wikipedia :p

[margroks]

In the comics, SUperman has been known to stand up to mother nature. But weird things have happened arounf Lois since she came to Smallville; if she's so tenacious at solving mysteries she should have been doing it and we should have been seeing it long before now.

Creating a sunny day was cool. Lois, as always, was bad.

[supes0]

Originally posted by metropolis
Sorry, but you'll have to do better than wikipedia :p

Here you go:

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/tt/1991/24996/24998.html

Lorenz's book Essence of Chaos is available on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Essence-Chaos-Jessie-Danz-Lecture/dp/0295975148/sr=8-1/qid=1160184239/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2319254-7955267?ie=UTF8&s=books

And another link, the National Severe Storms Lab:

http://beta.nssl.noaa.gov/seminars/bio.php?id=76


His 1972 talk at the American Association for the Advancement of Science entitled "Predictability: Does the Flap of a Butterfly's Wings in Brazil Set off a Tornado in Texas?" coined the term "butterfly effect," which is now the popular description for chaos.

[Cat_Atak]

WOw you guys I was totally joking around I didn't mean to start a whole debate about the thing. However the person that keeps asking for proof you're not really getting anywhere with anyone because most people have heard of this theory. Good luck trying to argue your point however you have a right to your opinion. However I may have proved that if you start a thread about a topic you cause a tornado of an argument. ;)


Originally posted by superman2411
o...k we didnt say superman wasnt about giving people hope, we r discussing would his actions have caused 'chaos' i think not but others think differently but thats ok this is why we have a message board to discuss things
I agree about what we are discussing and the truth is in Smallville and its lack of continuity it wouldn't have caused any chaos. But in the real world that would have been disasterous to send the rain storm away at such a fast speed. Do you think it would have just disappeared? No it would have kept going POSSIBLY gaining momentum and land somewhere else. That was all I was mentioning and it was more in a tongue and cheek sort of way.

[RKryp]

Originally posted by Cat_Atak
Speaking of the butterfly effect(not the movie of course) he probably just caused a massive tsunami or hurricane somewhere

Actually, the plane crash near the Fortress of Solitude set in motion events that were leading to a hurricane. The butterfly effect from Clark blowing those clouds away will prevent the hurricane from happening. ;)

Sensitive dependence on initial conditions make the effects unpredictable. Just as likely to avoid a problem that would otherwise have happened as to cause one. Interesting thought, though.

[All about Clark]

I hate to throw a wrench into things, but those clouds Clark blew weren't rain clouds, therefore if they weren't going to produce rain, then what would the harm be, and also it's not like he blew them to another state, just to the edge of town.

[Ares]

Regardless of everything thats been talked about.. It was very stupid an lame

[Larajorel]

Relativity explained Nuclear Power - it didn't lead to it. In fact, today - relativity is being questioned -

of course - just not by me LOL

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
He blew a huge rainstorm somewhere else that was expecting sun. At least... :)

Little Suzie: "Thanks for taking me out for this picnic, Mr Jones. Ever since my parents died, I haven't wanted to leave the house."
Mr Jones: "That's okay Suzie, I just hope this'll be the start of a series of good things for you"
<rainstorm appears out of nowhere>
Mr Jones: "Oh well, never mind."

[Farm_Girl]

Clark blowing the clouds after Lois saying she doesn't wanna swim in rain was cute I guess... he cleared the skies for her..

It also forshadows the clouds finally blown away and both seeing sunlight.. Clark by discovering his new power and Lois by discovering she likes being a journalist..

[Cat_Atak]

It was all a cute thought I liked the idea that he did it. I just thought it was funny that I thought of the Butterfly Effect because of Erica's movie ;)

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
Clark blowing the clouds after Lois saying she doesn't wanna swim in rain was cute I guess... he cleared the skies for her..

It also forshadows the clouds finally blown away and both seeing sunlight.. Clark by discovering his new power and Lois by discovering she likes being a journalist..
While I agree wit the last part about clark findin a new power/lois likin in journalism,I still dont think he blew the clouds away for HER.Maybe it was because he didn't wanna spoil his time wit chloe,or it could have been jus to try out his new power again.But definitely not for lois.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Timester


Lois and Perry would make a great team on investigating this. Because seeing farm doors and tractor failing from the sky is not a normal thing. :p


Exactly, I thought that Lois was going to say that Perry was her editor at the Inquisitor.

[HowardFilms]

Originally posted by Larajorel
Relativity explained Nuclear Power - it didn't lead to it. In fact, today - relativity is being questioned -

of course - just not by me LOL

Wrong. It was his theory of Relatively explained how Nuclear power COULD work, and they based the manhatten project on that reseacrh. Without it, no Atom Bomb. Try a little history, it helps.

[eriii1]

Hey, can someone please give me a play-by-play of what all happened at the ending after Lana escaped with Lex? I was taping the show, but my stupid tape ran out of tape!!!! Uhh, I'm so mad!