"Lex & I Have Nothing To Do With Each Other..."

[LuthorRequiem2]

Did anyone else find it kinda cool yet sad at the same time when Lionel asked Clark to find Lex, and Clark replied, "Why should I? Lex and I have got nothing to do with each other anymore." It's like Clark has totally written Lex off and could almost care less about his well-being. I can see why, because Lex has become so ruthless, and Clark is thinking that he has more important things to worry about like cleaning up the town rather than stumbling into another of Lex's messes, but still...it was kinda sad. I thought Clark would continue to care for Lex, and miss his friendship deep down. Hopefully, we'll see a bittersweet scene where Lex and Clark both admit to one another how much they miss their friendship, but they both know things cannot be as they were. Kinda like that scene in "The Prince of Egypt", when Moses and Ramasese talk about old times, and wish that fate hadn't divided them. I really, really crave a scene like that. Because as much as Clark and Lex hate each other right now, it seems a little unrealistic if, after all these years, they have NO compassion for one another.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Lex said a lot of things about I stayed in the friendship only because lex wanted what clark had.
The silent home family life and a girl, and atleast he took the girl.
Lex said that before Zod went in his body.

So if Clark is done with Lex (and Lana too hopefully), I will be very happy

[Lightning Flash]

Seems like Clark really hates Lex now.

[Krypton935]

I liked that quote it was awesome! It was like " I don't need Lex anymore and I have no problem with what Lex is doing."

[LuthorRequiem2]

"Lex said a lot of things about I stayed in the friendship only because lex wanted what clark had.
The silent home family life and a girl, and atleast he took the girl.
Lex said that before Zod went in his body.

So if Clark is done with Lex (and Lana too hopefully), I will be very happy"

True, but you have to remember all the times that Lex has told Clark how much he treaused his friendship in the past. He wasn't faking it when he told Clark, "You're like the younger brother I never had," or, "You're the closest thing I've had to a real friend my entire life. You don't have to keep anything from me." Sure, he may have wanted everything Clark had, but is that really so selfish? Think of the horrid life Lex has lived. Wouldn't you want a nice home, a loving family, and a loyal girlfriend too? It's not like he would've stolen Lana from Clark in the previous seasons (not until season five when he turned really bad). So I think that Lex HAS been a great friend to Clark, at least in the past, but now he's done with Clark, and Clark is done with him as well. Which is really tragic. But it's really cool because it means we get to see some hero vs. villain things this year hopefully.

I just really hope that Al and Miles don't forget the heart of the show: the 3-dimensional feelings and emotions of the characters. Clark can't totally disregard Lex. I think Clark should at least feel SOME compassion, even if it's just ONE scene throughout the ENTIRE season, for Lex. And Lex should feel some remorse for the way he's treated Clark. Hopefully, there will be a scene like that at least once. But I'm not suggesting it should slow down their rivalry, far from it. I think they should really become enemies this season, but it's more complex and intriguing and emotional if they're enemies who deep down still care for one another.

[SMG Pro]

[i]
So if Clark is done with Lex (and Lana too hopefully), I will be very happy [/B]

me too. well, not very happy. but happy.---well, more like glad. yes. I'll be glad.

[RMF]

Originally posted by LuthorRequiem2
True, but you have to remember all the times that Lex has told Clark how much he treaused his friendship in the past. He wasn't faking it when he told Clark, "You're like the younger brother I never had," or, "You're the closest thing I've had to a real friend my entire life. You don't have to keep anything from me." Sure, he may have wanted everything Clark had, but is that really so selfish? Think of the horrid life Lex has lived. Wouldn't you want a nice home, a loving family, and a loyal girlfriend too? It's not like he would've stolen Lana from Clark in the previous seasons (not until season five when he turned really bad). So I think that Lex HAS been a great friend to Clark, at least in the past, but now he's done with Clark, and Clark is done with him as well. Which is really tragic. But it's really cool because it means we get to see some hero vs. villain things this year hopefully.
I think it was quite apparent in "Vessel" that by indicating that his friendship with Clark was largely a sham just so he could steal bits of his life as well as his beloved girlfriend, Lex did hurt Clark deeply, even though Clark stayed on point and tried to help him anyway. The wounds of that are still pretty fresh. Also, because Clark couldn't bring himself to kill Lex because of his underlying affection for him, what followed that confrontation was an utter disaster. With what Lex said to him, and with all the nasty stuff Clark knows that Lex has done recently, he must now feel he was horribly misguided in his emotions and actions concerning Lex (and he does start out this episode saying he just should have done what Jor-el said).


I just really hope that Al and Miles don't forget the heart of the show: the 3-dimensional feelings and emotions of the characters. Clark can't totally disregard Lex. I think Clark should at least feel SOME compassion, even if it's just ONE scene throughout the ENTIRE season, for Lex. And Lex should feel some remorse for the way he's treated Clark. Hopefully, there will be a scene like that at least once. But I'm not suggesting it should slow down their rivalry, far from it. I think they should really become enemies this season, but it's more complex and intriguing and emotional if they're enemies who deep down still care for one another.
Clark is a good person who forgives a lot done against him, so I believe he will recover some compassion for Lex, even though he will have to recognize that Lex has gone off the deep end. He's probably seen more of the good side of Lex than anyone. On Lex's part, evidently his friendship with Clark has been completely unique in his life, and I don't think it's easy for Lex to get over that. Clark is probably the person who got closest to him, closer than Lana ever will (I think Lex will never fully trust her), and I doubt Lex will ever succeed in becoming indifferent to him. I would love to see them always have some kind of bond, no matter how estranged they become. What I like in complex character interactions is to see 90% one kind of interaction to set the tone, and 10% something else, just to keep us guessing. For instance, at first their relationship is predominantly friendly, but then you see Lex do something shady to investigate Clark, and it introduces just enough uncertainty to fascinate and keep the audience guessing. On the flip side, when their relationship is mostly hostile, in "Mercy" we see that flash of their old camaraderie when they are going through the door to rescue Martha and Lionel. Lex asks Clark if he wants to wait for security, and Clark says no, and that great chemistry kicks in. They're torn apart again only minutes later, but it's a hint that there's still something there of their friendship. They have the opportunity to do some wonderful writing along these lines. I just hope they do.

[Naomi]

Originally posted by LuthorRequiem2
I thought Clark would continue to care for Lex, and miss his friendship deep down.

Clark did mention in Zod that he misses being able to talk to Lex :(

[smallvillecrazygurl04]

Originally posted by Naomi
Clark did mention in Zod that he misses being able to talk to Lex :(

Yeah I remember that, When he was talking to Martha and he was talking about How his Dad is gone, and how he even talk to lex. So I guess Clark misses talking to Lex as far as being friends. But since he's with Lana, he just doesn't want anything to do with lex.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"I think it was quite apparent in "Vessel" that by indicating that his friendship with Clark was largely a sham just so he could steal bits of his life as well as his beloved girlfriend, Lex did hurt Clark deeply, even though Clark stayed on point and tried to help him anyway. The wounds of that are still pretty fresh. Also, because Clark couldn't bring himself to kill Lex because of his underlying affection for him, what followed that confrontation was an utter disaster. With what Lex said to him, and with all the nasty stuff Clark knows that Lex has done recently, he must now feel he was horribly misguided in his emotions and actions concerning Lex (and he does start out this episode saying he just should have done what Jor-el said)."

I agree. Clark feels guilty because he let his emotions and affection for Lex get in the way of saving the world. He doesn't want the same thing to happen again, and he was probably very hurt by what Lex said to him, even though Lex didn't fully mean it, to Clark, it seems their friendship was a sham.

"Clark is a good person who forgives a lot done against him, so I believe he will recover some compassion for Lex, even though he will have to recognize that Lex has gone off the deep end. He's probably seen more of the good side of Lex than anyone. On Lex's part, evidently his friendship with Clark has been completely unique in his life, and I don't think it's easy for Lex to get over that. Clark is probably the person who got closest to him, closer than Lana ever will (I think Lex will never fully trust her), and I doubt Lex will ever succeed in becoming indifferent to him. I would love to see them always have some kind of bond, no matter how estranged they become. What I like in complex character interactions is to see 90% one kind of interaction to set the tone, and 10% something else, just to keep us guessing. For instance, at first their relationship is predominantly friendly, but then you see Lex do something shady to investigate Clark, and it introduces just enough uncertainty to fascinate and keep the audience guessing. On the flip side, when their relationship is mostly hostile, in "Mercy" we see that flash of their old camaraderie when they are going through the door to rescue Martha and Lionel. Lex asks Clark if he wants to wait for security, and Clark says no, and that great chemistry kicks in. They're torn apart again only minutes later, but it's a hint that there's still something there of their friendship. They have the opportunity to do some wonderful writing along these lines. I just hope they do."

I couldn't have said it better. This is exactly how I feel about their relationship. If they keep it 90% a rivarly and enmity, but then a little 10% of their old friendship, it makes it more interesting and complex, which is why I always compare their relationship to Moses and Ramasese in "The Prince of Egypt". While they DID become bitter enemies (Moses telling Ramasese to "Let my people go," and Ramasese wanting to "uphold the ancient traditions" and "bare the weight of my father's crown"), they still had those moments of brotherly affection, even at the end, when Ramasese is stuck on the rock, screaming out, "MOSES!" and Moses looks so sad as he says, "Goodbye, brother." It's moments like these that make the relationship so intriguing.

I totally agree about those moments in "Mercy". Lex and Clark had their old friendly chemistry back when they kicked the door open, and it was obvious Lex was loving it and missing Clark. But then seconds later, they were torn apart again my Lionel's comments about what a "special boy" Clark is.

And Naomi and smallvillecrazygirl04, you're right, Clark DID basically say he misses talking to Lex, which I think is a good indicator that their friendship still is with Clark deep down.

[darkone]

Clex is dead forever,no way Clark will ever get over the fact that Lex stole Lana from him,yes he stole her!No supposed friend would do that.

[Poweranimals]

I think Clark would've ended up saving him even if it weren't for his secret potentially being on the line. He's just not happy with him right now as should be. A part of him was probably thinking that if he didn't save Lex that he'd no longer be involved with Lana.

[umm]

Originally posted by LuthorRequiem2
Did anyone else find it kinda cool yet sad at the same time when Lionel asked Clark to find Lex, and Clark replied, "Why should I? Lex and I have got nothing to do with each other anymore." It's like Clark has totally written Lex off and could almost care less about his well-being. I can see why, because Lex has become so ruthless, and Clark is thinking that he has more important things to worry about like cleaning up the town rather than stumbling into another of Lex's messes, but still...it was kinda sad. I thought Clark would continue to care for Lex, and miss his friendship deep down. Hopefully, we'll see a bittersweet scene where Lex and Clark both admit to one another how much they miss their friendship, but they both know things cannot be as they were. Kinda like that scene in "The Prince of Egypt", when Moses and Ramasese talk about old times, and wish that fate hadn't divided them. I really, really crave a scene like that. Because as much as Clark and Lex hate each other right now, it seems a little unrealistic if, after all these years, they have NO compassion for one another.

I don't think it was sad at all! I think it was about time that Clark stopped cleaning yet another one of Lex' messes! I mean the guy has got to draw a line somewhere! So for once, I think that Clark was right in not caring! I mean how many times does he have to save that guy! And don't even say, 'As long as it takes', because that argument just doesn't cut it anymore! As long as people, not just Clark, keep bailing Lex out of trouble, he will keep on creating it! I mean where is the lesson, when he is bailed out all the time! I say it's high time, someone said, 'Look enough is enough, for once in his 'everything has been handed to me on a silver platter' life, Lex will have to bail himself out of the trouble, which, by the way, was the consequence of his own previous actions!

[LuthorRequiem2]

"I don't think it was sad at all! I think it was about time that Clark stopped cleaning yet another one of Lex' messes! I mean the guy has got to draw a line somewhere! So for once, I think that Clark was right in not caring! I mean how many times does he have to save that guy! And don't even say, 'As long as it takes', because that argument just doesn't cut it anymore! As long as people, not just Clark, keep bailing Lex out of trouble, he will keep on creating it! I mean where is the lesson, when he is bailed out all the time! I say it's high time, someone said, 'Look enough is enough, for once in his 'everything has been handed to me on a silver platter' life, Lex will have to bail himself out of the trouble, which, by the way, was the consequence of his own previous actions!"

I agree with what you're saying. I'd feel the same way if I were Clark, and I'm not saying Lex should continually be helped out of these messes he creates. I'm just saying it's rather bittersweet and poignant that the friendship is so dead now. No matter how bad Lex gets, I still want to see a little bit of his remorse for what he's done to Clark, and I still want to see Clark feeling for Lex and wanting him to step off the brink of the dark side. I hope that the two continue to care for each other deep down is all I'm saying. Even if Lex doesn't deserve Clark's compassion, I think that two people who were once so close would always have a sliver of compassion for one another.

[MBCorp]

Clark's probably tired of saving both Lex and Lana and then having them turn around and start griping at him about secrets and lies, with Lex making little snide remarks about how he has Lana now and Clark doesn't. If I had been Clark I would have been oh so tempted to just walk away from that fire at the end and let Lex and Lana get out of their own mess for once...

[umm]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Clark's probably tired of saving both Lex and Lana and then having them turn around and start griping at him about secrets and lies, with Lex making little snide remarks about how he has Lana now and Clark doesn't. If I had been Clark I would have been oh so tempted to just walk away from that fire at the end and let Lex and Lana get out of their own mess for once...

And that would have been a nice thing to watch too, cos they both had it coming for months! I mean it's so easy to criticise Clark, but when ones hide is on the line, then one still choses to go to Clark for help even though one hus just moments ago criticised him for his lack of respect for telling the truth, a critique,which by the way is getting so old!
What Clark should have done, was say: 'Maybe you two should should call some other guy, who is up to your thruth telling standars, to save your hides, cos I won't be the one doing it anymore!'

[azi]

"Why? We're not even close any more."
Horrible writing! The writers just don't get the Superman character.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by darkone
Clex is dead forever,no way Clark will ever get over the fact that Lex stole Lana from him,yes he stole her!No supposed friend would do that. He didn't steal her. Lana & Clark were over with anyway! Clark pushed her away. Lex just accepted a rebound.

[LuthorRequiem2]

""Why? We're not even close any more."
Horrible writing! The writers just don't get the Superman character."

I think the writers of this show get the Superman character more than any other Superman writer has ever gotten him. They understand the complexity it would be to live his life, the pain and loneliness he must experience, the guilt whenever he cannot help someone, and the constant need to help others. They understand that what drives him to save others is ultimately complex and compelling as well, but really, he is just such a good person because of how his parents raised him, and he will continue to be a reflection of their love.

The thing about him not wanting to save Lex, I believe, is not a sign of bad writing, but rather, just showing us that Clark was not feeling well and that he IS only human (well...not really, but you know what I mean). He doesn't want to help Lex, he wants Lex to try and help himself out for once, but of course, we know Clark would've risen to the occassion and helped even if his own secret weren't on the line, because Clark is just good like that.

[Fish1941]

What Clark should have done, was say: 'Maybe you two should should call some other guy, who is up to your thruth telling standars, to save your hides, cos I won't be the one doing it anymore!'

Considering Clark's inability to tell the truth, maybe they should.



The thing about him not wanting to save Lex, I believe, is not a sign of bad writing, but rather, just showing us that Clark was not feeling well and that he IS only human (well...not really, but you know what I mean). He doesn't want to help Lex, he wants Lex to try and help himself out for once, but of course, we know Clark would've risen to the occassion and helped even if his own secret weren't on the line, because Clark is just good like that.

Oh please! You’ve got to be kidding! You don't expect everyone to buy that piece of propaganda! We all know the truth. Even Lana knew the truth. We all know why Clark had refused to save Lex. Because he was jealous of the latter’s relationship with Lana and that he and Lex were no longer friends. Clark wasn’t being selfless or trying to help Lex learn how to help himself. He was being a selfish and vindictive b*stard. It’s amazing how so many fans refuse to accept the possibility that even Clark can be an a*shole at times.

[LexLuv180]

I dont want them to completely hate each other either. I missed some compassion there. Neither of them are in their future roles just yet, and I want it to be kept interesting and three dimensional. With everyone walking around hating each other right now, it's just not as enjoyable.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Fish1941
Considering Clark's inability to tell the truth, maybe they should.

Oh please! You’ve got to be kidding! You don't expect everyone to buy that piece of propaganda! We all know the truth. Even Lana knew the truth. We all know why Clark had refused to save Lex. Because he was jealous of the latter’s relationship with Lana and that he and Lex were no longer friends. Clark wasn’t being selfless or trying to help Lex learn how to help himself. He was being a selfish and vindictive b*stard. It’s amazing how so many fans refuse to accept the possibility that even Clark can be an a*shole at times. Everyone can be an a**hole at times - a point you're proving now. Maybe everyone else is just more willing to accept a more human incarnation of the character.