what did lana mean...

[chlarked_foever89]

by saying, dont pretend to be doing this for lex???

[STFanatic]

My take on the statement was, that she knew he wasn't doing it for Lex, but there was something he needed or needed to hide by finding him.

[RedPhoenix23]

Clark wasn't protecting Lex for Lex's benefit, he was helping Lex in order to protect his secret, period. In fact, Clark didn't even want to help Lex in the first place, Lionel had to con him into doing it to protect his secret.

[HotStudsSuccess]

I also heard her say, something like "You will need to tell me your secret, to save Lex" I was like, did she really jump off the deep end saying that crap :lol:

[RedPhoenix23]

No I think she said "You can't keep secrets when Lex's life is in danger." Which is true. :)

[khufu]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Clark wasn't protecting Lex for Lex's benefit, he was helping Lex in order to protect his secret, period. In fact, Clark didn't even want to help Lex in the first place, Lionel had to con him into doing it to protect his secret. Bingo. She suspects that Clark is only protecting something about himself (not helping Lex), and despite not being in a relationship with Clark anymore, she still REALLY wants to know what that secret is, because it's the reason they are no longer together.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Clark wasn't protecting Lex for Lex's benefit, he was helping Lex in order to protect his secret, period. In fact, Clark didn't even want to help Lex in the first place, Lionel had to con him into doing it to protect his secret.

Didn't it bother anyone that Lionel manipulated Clark to get him to help Lex?

And Lana knows Clark wasn't helping Lex for Lex. Clark could have just made up a story that he is helping Lionel.

[hassenmorad]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Didn't it bother anyone that Lionel manipulated Clark to get him to help Lex?

And Lana knows Clark wasn't helping Lex for Lex. Clark could have just made up a story that he is helping Lionel.

Yea, that struck me as a bit odd- especially with Clark still unsure of Lionel's position in all this.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Didn't it bother anyone that Lionel manipulated Clark to get him to help Lex?

Not really, lol. He's MB! :lol: Lionel's relationship with Lex is strange, on one hand in order to save the world he's willing to kill him - something JK would ever do (or my own pa, at least I hope!) - Lionel spews nothing but contempt towards Lex and is stilling trying to one up him and take back LuthorCorp and yet.... Lionel was feircely protective of Lex in regards to Oliver so he doesn't completely hate his son, he loves him in that sick Luthor family way and if the only way to get Clark off his high horse and get him to help save him is to stretch the truth a bit, I say go for MB! I got your back! :p


And Lana knows Clark wasn't helping Lex for Lex. Clark could have just made up a story that he is helping Lionel.

He could have... but Clarkie isn't that bright. :lol: Plus, Lana directly asks Clark how he knew Lex was going to become Zod before anyone else did without a straight answer from Clark, there really wasn't a way around that one.

[STFanatic]

Clark is Lionel's Ace in the hole.
Lionel wants to keep Clark as a tool for when he needs him.
That and he wants his Mama.

[Goldenage]

While she was technically correct there was really no way for to pull that information accurately. She just sunk into her paranoia that Clark is utterly self-absorbed and corrupt because he won't tell her every secret and motivation he has.

So her thinking would have been along the lines of: "You're helping someone and since you're a bad person dispite the fact you regularly pull all of our fat from the fire. You must be a doing this for a selfish reason."

It did indeed bring her to the right conclusion, but her reason was wrong.

That being said Clark was wrong to not go and help Lex as soon as he heard. Superman would have. Also their past friendship should have earned Lex that much. I have friends that I no longer trust because of past betrayals but when they honestly need help I'll usually still go. Connections between people are not that easily pushed aside. That's my opinon though.

[ddacosta81]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Goldenage
[B]While she was technically correct there was really no way for to pull that information accurately. She just sunk into her paranoia that Clark is utterly self-absorbed and corrupt because he won't tell her every secret and motivation he has. [QUOTE]

I don't know how Lana can be so harsh to Clark, given he's come to the aid of her boyfriends time and time again. He saved Whitney several times in Season 1 and he rescued Jason more than once in Season 4. (Don't even get me started on the number of times she knows Clark has saved Lex and herself).

I get that she's still bitter about Clark breaking up with her. Still, given their history she must realize that Clark doesn't want any harm to come to Lex and instead of breaking out the "secrets and lies" speech she should have told Clark about the black Range Rover and the private investigator.

Personally, I don't blame Clark for not being enthusiastic about helping when Lionel told him about Lex's disappearance. He's not Superman yet. Clark know's Lex has a whole security team on the job. Lex's last words to Clark, before he was possessed by Zod, provide insight into his true nature. In "Mortal"Lex has intentionally put Clark's parents and Lana in danger in order to test him. Lex tortured Arthur Curry and tried to turn Victor Stone into a robot.

Superman must rise above all that and rush to the rescue. Clark's just not there yet, and IMO that's understandable.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by chlarked_foever89
by saying, dont pretend to be doing this for lex???

What Lana said was 100 percent accurate. Even though Lana didn't know the reason, she knew that Clark didn't care about helping Lex and that he was only trying to help himself out, in this case, it was to ensure that Lex didn't tell those guys his secret, if Lex indeed knew the truth. Going back to the Lionel/Clark conversation, Clark even told Lionel that he didn't give a damn what Lex does, but Lionel brought up the fact that Lex might give away information on his secret which caused Clark to get involved.


Originally posted by All about Clark

And Lana knows Clark wasn't helping Lex for Lex. Clark could have just made up a story that he is helping Lionel.

That's the real problem with everything on this show when it comes to Clark and Lana. Clark doesn't make anything up, he just stands there and says nothing. He didn't make anything up in Vessel and now look where it got him, Lana is questioning how Clark even knew about Lex and what was going to happen to him.

[xrayvision]

I still don't understand how she could think Clark saving Lex was to protect his secret or how his secret was involved. If she thought that Lex knew something, why not ask him directly?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I still don't understand how she could think Clark saving Lex was to protect his secret or how his secret was involved. If she thought that Lex knew something, why not ask him directly?

I don't think that she had any clue why Clark was getting involved, she just knew that he was doing it for his own reasons.

[Dor el]

^^^Yep. What he said.

[hassenmorad]

Originally posted by All about Clark
... Clark could have just made up a story that he is helping Lionel.

Well, some have remarked that he didn't do this because he's a BDA, but I think that his inherent sense of honesty is the reasone he didn't make something up. I think Clark did the right thing.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

So, once again Clark saves someone and he is the "bad guy"....

About time he picks up a certain person and whips them into the sun.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by ddacosta81
Personally, I don't blame Clark for not being enthusiastic about helping when Lionel told him about Lex's disappearance. He's not Superman yet. Clark know's Lex has a whole security team on the job. Lex's last words to Clark, before he was possessed by Zod, provide insight into his true nature. In "Mortal"Lex has intentionally put Clark's parents and Lana in danger in order to test him. Lex tortured Arthur Curry and tried to turn Victor Stone into a robot.

Superman must rise above all that and rush to the rescue. Clark's just not there yet, and IMO that's understandable.

I agree with this and believe that it will be Jor-el's training that will have Clark save even those who don't deserve it.

[shirkie]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
So, once again Clark saves someone and he is the "bad guy"....

About time he picks up a certain person and whips them into the sun. LOL isn't that the truth! Clark can do fifty million things right, and all the Pink Printheth will do is moan about secreths.
shirkie

[margroks]

Except that Clark WAS doing it to save Lex. Just as even though he was trying to save the world from Zod, Clark still wanted to save Lex and didn't want to kill him. THis is NOT about whether Lex knows Clark's secret or not. Lana was being her old nasty self here. SHe admitted Clark and CHloe were right about Lex last week yet here she is suddenly griping at Clark again and demanding to know his secrets again. Why would anyone ever care for this horrible girl?

[Mysticlies]

Lana, has asked Clark seasons over seasons to let her in his life, by telling her what exactly he is hiding from her. She knows that something about Clark is different, and she asked over and over again for Clark to share this with her. He didn't. Not only did it make their relationship awakard, but it made their friendship seem unusual, and once again awakard. She still trusts him, but not fully.

I think she is just starting to get more aware of her surroundings, and just because she is starting to ask questions again doesn't make her horrible, it just makes her less guilable. remember she is a character of this show, and what we see doesn't mean she also sees. we know Lex has is slowly becoming more and more evil, but does lana? he's always treated her nicely and rarely hid things from her. so why would she not trust him? the only possible reasons would be because Clark who is her friend told her so, but lets not forget the whole keeping secrets from each other. First he tells her that lex may be evil and you should stay away from him, then later he comes to her to help him help lex, without explaning any of the details to her.

Lana is just someone that likes to know things, she doesn't just want to be going back and forth between people who basically don't tell her anything

[RMF]

Originally posted by ddacosta81
Personally, I don't blame Clark for not being enthusiastic about helping when Lionel told him about Lex's disappearance. He's not Superman yet. Clark know's Lex has a whole security team on the job. Lex's last words to Clark, before he was possessed by Zod, provide insight into his true nature. In "Mortal"Lex has intentionally put Clark's parents and Lana in danger in order to test him. Lex tortured Arthur Curry and tried to turn Victor Stone into a robot.
I wish the episode had allowed him this kind of complexity in his response, but the writing was too poor. The problem was, a certain amount of reluctance to keep putting himself out for Lex is understandable, but Clark's initial refusal came off harsh and uncharacteristic. He doesn't usually pass off someone possibly being in mortal danger.


Originally posted by myankskent
That's the real problem with everything on this show when it comes to Clark and Lana. Clark doesn't make anything up, he just stands there and says nothing. He didn't make anything up in Vessel and now look where it got him, Lana is questioning how Clark even knew about Lex and what was going to happen to him.
You are arguing that Clark should tell better lies, but it's a violation of the character. Lying isn't second nature to him, it's forced on him by his odd circumstances. If he ever became a smooth and practiced liar, he'd be Lex, not Clark.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by Mysticlies
I think she is just starting to get more aware of her surroundings, and just because she is starting to ask questions again doesn't make her horrible, it just makes her less guilable. remember she is a character of this show, and what we see doesn't mean she also sees. we know Lex has is slowly becoming more and more evil, but does lana? he's always treated her nicely and rarely hid things from her. so why would she not trust him? the only possible reasons would be because Clark who is her friend told her so, but lets not forget the whole keeping secrets from each other. First he tells her that lex may be evil and you should stay away from him, then later he comes to her to help him help lex, without explaning any of the details to her.

I can't agree here. Lana has seen enough of Lex's doing and stays with him anyways. Lana has never caught Clark in a lie when dealing with Lex. He said Lex couldn't be trusted, he said that Lex was changing and she'd be in danger. She chooses not to trust Clark because of his secret. She agreed to still have a relationship with him knowing he had a secret. Plus the fact that she lies to Clark too and treats him like ****. She asks him questions she knows he doesn't want to answer and throws a fit when he won't. With all of these facts, Lana has been horrible. And the real kicker is, why did she ever start a relationship with him if she couldn't handle there being a secret if she wasn't capable of dealing with it long term.

[Tacosupes]

Lex is a murderer, Dr. Hong, Victor Stone's Cyborg doc and doesn't deserve help. If someone captured Lex it must have been for attacking the Pentagon, and he desrves to be punished. Hence Clark shouldnt help him. Lex made the Vaccine of his own volition, importing viruses ILLEGALLY that put the United States at risk. The ends do NOT justify the means and the bastard deserves everything he got, especially the fleshwound.

[SuperConartist]

Lana doesn't know the magnitude of Clark's secret and how it could hurt her if she knows. I think that's the main reason why she's still badly bitter with Clark. I mean I'd be bitter too if my girlfriend was hiding something important from me too.

Then again, Lana was hiding some things herself too. I guess that does make her pretty crappy at this point.

[coco#1]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
No I think she said "You can't keep secrets when Lex's life is in danger." Which is true. :)

no..he kept his secret and saved his life so it wasent true