Lois and Journalism?

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
You didnt get what I said I never said your opinion wasnt valid cause you dont like a character I like, i said it became less valid if you are contradicting yourself using one criteria to aproach an issue of characters being their Iconic selves: Clark being Clark. And then u used a completely different criterea to aproach the same issue just with a different character: Lois.

You said Clark is Clark whether you belive it or not. So given your previous point it would be safe to asume that Lois is Lois whether you belive it or not. But thats the catch you argue that Lois is not Lois cause you dont belive it.

Your opinion is valid, it will always be, your point however can be less valid if its contradicting a previous point you made.

I'm not arguing anything. I'm stating my opinion. And you don't have to agree with it. The character named Lois Lane on Smallville is not Lois Lane to me. For the last time, that is my perrogative. I don't have to argue feeling that way or having that opinion. I have it. There's nothing to talk about.

And I got what you said. This is what you said:


Then its only fair that you do the same with Lois. Whether you belive it or not Lois is Lois. If you dont use the same criteria then your opinion (as much as your intitled to one) looses validity.


So if you're saying that's not what you meant, then fine. But that's what you said. And I responded accordingly.

[Kal-ed]

Well yeah an opinion and a point are not the same thing, so i didnt explain my self properly. I apologize

[eas]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
FYI, the restriction was on journalism and unless you got a contac in the SV´s or the CW´s legal departament, you couldnt know the specifics. AlMiles said that ther was a restriction on Journalism and romantic Clois because of the movie, we were never told more about it and there were never specifics about the journalism.

That's true -- Erica Durance, AlMiles and SDK have all mentioned "journalism" at one point or another as being one of the restrictions. None of them have said it was specifically the Daily Planet. And now, quite obviously, the restrictions have been lifted. It could be argued that it was done in a "lightswitch" manner, but it's pretty clear the journalism restriction is not 100% there anymore.

[RobynAdele0406]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
If No, then I don't see why you are watching Smallville?

FYI, this kind of statement is against KSite rules. No one needs to defend or explain why they watch this show.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
She's only annoying to you (and other Lois haters).

I'm not a Lois hater. But Lois does annoy me sometimes. Perhaps this year they will develop her character more.


Originally posted by Farm_Girl
I don't see a switch.

- Lois came to Smallville to investigate her cousin's death. Her instinct to find the truth.

- Entire episodes Gone, Facade and Devoted, showing her investigating and then directly involved in journalism, for grades or whatever reasons.

- Episodes like Recruit and Krypto where her instincts and curiosity to find truth leads her into trouble – classic Lois Lane trait.

- Exposed – where she involves herself into a dangerous and inappropriate situation to help out Chloe’s article.

- Solitude discussion between her and Chloe about finding Lex’s truth, and the future foreshadowing by showing her staring at the DP logo.

The Clark which most of us agree is the ‘real’ Clark hates flying right now and despite of spending most of his time in the Daily Planet basement, he hasn’t written a word, but that doesn’t mean he never will.. Off course he will.. just like ‘Erica Durance’s "real" Lois Lane’ will become the Pulitzer winner journalist.

I think most of us agree that ED-Lois does have some Lois Lane traits but TPTB also gave some Lois Lane traits to Chloe...which is an entirely different thread. You really should move this to the Chlois debate.


Originally posted by Farm_Girl

And If Yes, then you can also believe that Lois will become a successful journalist. There can be no problem with that except the fact that you cant stand Lois as she puts an end to all other shippers. Accept it, it's the only reason!!



This is a really arrogant statement to assume you know what motivates people.

Secondly, not everyone is going to agree with you about ED-Lois. Some people love her, some people hate her, some people (like me) are somewhere in the middle.

[Wingz Of Steel]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I'm not arguing anything. I'm stating my opinion. And you don't have to agree with it. The character named Lois Lane on Smallville is not Lois Lane to me. For the last time, that is my perrogative. I don't have to argue feeling that way or having that opinion. I have it. There's nothing to talk about.

And I got what you said. This is what you said:


Then its only fair that you do the same with Lois. Whether you belive it or not Lois is Lois. If you dont use the same criteria then your opinion (as much as your intitled to one) looses validity.




My thing is if you aren't gonna do anythging with the character for 3 seasons then what's the point? If you took Lois and put her on a ship to nowhere never to return would anything in the story be affected?? I don't consider this girl Lois Lane and the restriction DC has put on the character puzzles me to why you would even keep writing her in scenerios...A high school and college dropout who's a muffin cashier at a coffee shop moonlighting as a chief of staff for a political figure in Washington? (Are you expecting people with brains to accept this?) Now she is pursuing journalism based on a barn-door when she has seen so many more strange stories and situations that could have sparked it (The situation in "Recruit" being just one of many)...

Furthermore the girl is extrememly arrogant and condesending(not to mention incredibly annoying) an has accomplished nothing but being given her roles via favors or nepotism(The Lois I know actually works hard)...Teri Hatcher, Margo Kidder, and even Kate "SKELETOR" Bosworth atleast had the right to act entitled or arrogant because they had accomplished various things in their lives and careers, yet this girl has the gall to be dismissive and stand on a pedestal in her interactions with characters like Chloe, Clark, and Lex when she has done nothing worth-wild in her life of her own creation? It's like Al/Miles gave the Lois personality to a character devoid of the Lois accomplishments (hence it doesn't work)... Such a waste of potential that never should have appeared in this part of Clark's story...Like a checker on a checkerboard with no moves to make, no jumps to take...

[Kal-ed]

I already explained some of this in some previous post, but I think they brought her in, they wanted to have her (originaly the show was suposed to be about Lois Lane) so they put her there, but after they did some restrictions were droped on them, restrictions that sort of made it hard to develope the character, so they kept her adrift in the show until the restrictions came down, now that the restrictions are off, they got her into journalism and I bet you will see a change in Lois and her importance in the show. Wait and see.

Now people IMO should realize the diference between a very faulty character and a badly written character.

I think Lois is the later, she is smart, snarky, nosey, sarcastic, but also they have shown her as an aimless brat, and sometimes even use her as a comic relief, but thats all just bad writting not that the character itself is less desserving.

[Wingz Of Steel]

^No orginally she was suppose to have a 3 episode stint and never to return after Lex helped her get back in college, but for some reason beyond the scope of comprehension they brought her back..They could have kept her character out of the story completeley when DC gave them restrictions...My view is that they brought her on the show for nostalgic value to get more viewers then signed her to a contract and couldn't get out of it so they had to write her with something to do...She is both a faulty and badly written character IMO and her getting into journalism lacked so much imagination it's not even funny..."Oh a barn-door fell from the sky so now i want to be a journalist!"... Sorry , Kal-ed but I have strong opinions on this and read alot about why the producers brought her on and re-signed her so i can't accept your findings...If DC finally stopped the restriction how is this the best story arc you could come up with to get her into journalism? It's unacceptable really, but no worries because like I said I pretty much ignore everything concearning her storyline when I watch the show (Because her storylines never ever affect the plot in anyway)...

[Kal-ed]

Well I guess theres nothing left but to agree to disagree.

[kiki39]

What I don't understand is this intense hatred and dislike people seem to have about Lois on Smallville. I understand people were freaked out about their ships - but really everyone knows that Lois ends up with Clark in the end, so who cares?

And this whole thing about Lois coming to Smallville to early and changing canon...are you kidding? The whole show has taken liberties and altered canon from Lex to the over important role of Lana, the creation of Chloe...I could go on.

I know Lois rubs a lot of people the wrong way and I blame the writers for giving a lot of the Lois characteristics to Chloe. Don't get me wrong, I like Chloe but let's be honest, they gave her many of the Lois characteristics to her, resulting in these crazy theories about Chloe turning into Lois. Not that I have problems with people choosing to live in denial or anything, but it is ridiculous. But to say Lois is just condesending and arrogant and annoying is like saying Lana is just whiny and self-obssessed and Chloe is annoying and nosy and basically Clark's brain. All these characters have good and bad qualities, people's obsession with Lois' are hypocritical. Chloe and Lana are no saints.

I know strong, sarcastic, independent women can annoy and intimidate some people, and while I don't always like the way Lois is written by the writers this Lois still embodies the characteristics that I have liked in all incarnations. Give me a strong, confident woman any day.

[khufu]

Originally posted by kiki39
What I don't understand is this intense hatred and dislike people seem to have about Lois on Smallville. I understand people were freaked out about their ships - but really everyone knows that Lois ends up with Clark in the end, so who cares?
You assume, incorrectly, that everyone's problem with Lois stems from "ships". I can't speak for other people, but for me this could not be further from the truth. Now, I'm a big fan of Chloe, no doubt, but Chloe has nothing to do with my dissatisfaction with Lois - you could kill Chloe off tomorrow and that wouldn't make Lois any more qualified to carry the name "Lois Lane."


I know Lois rubs a lot of people the wrong way and I blame the writers for giving a lot of the Lois characteristics to Chloe. Don't get me wrong, I like Chloe but let's be honest, they gave her many of the Lois characteristics to her, resulting in these crazy theories about Chloe turning into Lois. Not that I have problems with people choosing to live in denial or anything, but it is ridiculous.I can see you're new but you should know that these "you're in denial" statements are inapproriate here.


But to say Lois is just condesending and arrogant and annoying is like saying Lana is just whiny and self-obssessed and Chloe is annoying and nosy and basically Clark's brain. All these characters have good and bad qualities, people's obsession with Lois' are hypocritical. Chloe and Lana are no saints.And people criticize Lana and Chloe (and Clark and Lex) all the time. Every character is fair game, and if it seems that Lois gets most of it, maybe that's because her character, by comparison, is so much more flawed than the others.

[kiki39]

Originally posted by khufu
You assume, incorrectly, that everyone's problem with Lois stems from "ships". I can't speak for other people, but for me this could not be further from the truth. Now, I'm a big fan of Chloe, no doubt, but Chloe has nothing to do with my dissatisfaction with Lois - you could kill Chloe off tomorrow and that wouldn't make Lois any more qualified to carry the name "Lois Lane."

You misunderstand, I'm not saying it all stems from just a defensive shipper postion, I recognize a lot if it comes from faulty writing in the character developing aspects - and I think it applies to all the Smallville characters, although Lex the least. His development is pretty clear and continous. But I do believe that the 'ship factor' does play a role for some people.


I can see you're new but you should know that these "you're in denial" statements are inapproriate here.


I apologize if that was inappropriate. It was not meant to be mean or rude, simply the truth; meaning the writers and the creators have stated - more than once, that Chloe is not and will never turn into Lois Lane. That's just where I fail to understand. But I don't blame people for wishing something to be true. Heck I've wished for impossible things on other TV shows as well.


And people criticize Lana and Chloe (and Clark and Lex) all the time. Every character is fair game, and if it seems that Lois gets most of it, maybe that's because her character, by comparison, is so much more flawed than the others.

Oh I believe a lot of the other characters are critized, and rightly so. It's fun to discuss and argue about characters and their actions. I assume that's partly why we are all here. But being new I really was surprised at the rather malicious and personal attacks (and yes, that includes the subtle) against ED as a person (the rather rude remarks under her captions were frankly surprising) and against the character of Lois. I just don't think she's as all bad as some seem to feel, and I just wanted to express that in a friendly manner.

[Wingz Of Steel]

@kiki39 - This specific argument has nothing to do with ships IMO(And I would respect it if you don't turn the conversation in that endless direction)...If a character is well-written with a coherent storyline that aids the overall plot then that's fine...

If you're a character on a superman show and your name is Lois Lane and you have no ability to drive the plot whatsoever as a character then you fail...Perhaps there are those who like Lois despite her just being window-dressing and can ignore what I percieve as contrived arrogance, but there are many of us who can see it... Sure it would help if I thought ED actually fit the role or that she and TW had decent chemistry on-screen (which I don't believe they do), but at the end of the day her character lacks impact on so many levels when it comes to THE STORY (Unless all you care about are those 5,000 LBS non-subtle GORILLAS they drop on our heads when they foreshadow SV's Lois and Clark)...I have nothing against strong, confident women and the fact you bring it up is a strawman argument...

Furthermore there is an intense hatred for Lana, Lex, and Chloe aswell as Lois which I have seen on a few forums so it's not just ED's character...I still think giving the character a prolonged stay was a mistake which might have been tolerable to me if they hadn't badly miscasted the character on top of that...I've always liked the fact that SV doesn't follow any set story or comic version and wants to create it's own story (so don't lump me in with the opposite view), but in the usage of Lois Lane they have been ridiculous in her implementation...Once again I say if she were to vanish off the face of the Earth (in terms of plot and story) nothing in the television show called Smallville would be affected.... Sorry...

[Kal-ed]

We should get back on subject though, this is turning into a Chlois/hate Lois thread, before the thread gets deleted, or merged with the Chlois Debate thread

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
We should get back on subject though, this is turning into a Chlois/hate Lois thread, before the thread gets deleted, or merged with the Chlois Debate thread

Wait.. the Chloisers are still debating on Chlois??? Doesn't it RIP after Al Gough's TV Guide's interview?

This thread is about Lois and journalism.. but I guess we are totally lost with all Lois bashing and Erica hating posts in the middle.. let me bring you guys back to the topic..

How Lois got into journalism.. she saw the barn door and got ligthswitched, I dont think so... her investigative instincts have always been explored on the show..

Lois had to get interested in journalism at some point.. I think it is high time when her life is going through many transitions.. almost getting a new life after the plane crash... I think her trip to fortress changed her perspective on a lot of things...

Now for the new debate that she is writing for Inquisitor, well, she is a college dropout.. so right now this is the best she can do.. but with her talent and instincts, she'll be in DP within no time.. and she won't start at the basement.. she'll do way better than that...

And as the review on Superman's homepage stated, her alien invasion byline.. no matter how strange it looked, is technically 100% true.. and also is a foreshadowing of the future where most of her best stories are about Superman.. this was also indirectly about Superman... wasn't it?

Lois is on her way to the top... now hate for that!!:D

[greenarrowgal]

Lois' foray into j-ism was very lightswitch, but it's nice to see she's doing something with herself. I would have done it more gradually, but it's TV. Subtlety doesn't really fly in that medium.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
Wait.. the Chloisers are still debating on Chlois??? Doesn't it RIP after Al Gough's TV Guide's interview?

This thread is about Lois and journalism.. but I guess we are totally lost with all Lois bashing and Erica hating posts in the middle.. let me bring you guys back to the topic..



You're the one who went off topic. Most of your posts should have probably been posted in the Chlois debate.

[Wingz Of Steel]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
Wait.. the Chloisers are still debating on Chlois??? Doesn't it RIP after Al Gough's TV Guide's interview?

This thread is about Lois and journalism.. but I guess we are totally lost with all Lois bashing and Erica hating posts in the middle.. let me bring you guys back to the topic..

How Lois got into journalism.. she saw the barn door and got ligthswitched, I dont think so... her investigative instincts have always been explored on the show..

Lois had to get interested in journalism at some point.. I think it is high time when her life is going through many transitions.. almost getting a new life after the plane crash... I think her trip to fortress changed her perspective on a lot of things...



That's something you're speculating from off-screen...If this was apparent from the episode I'd totally agree, but Lois doesn't bring or convey anything from "Zod" in "Sneeze" when it comes to her experience in the fortress...If there was a scene that pointed to it I'd give you a break...Your forcing yourself to believe this to protect the character...Now I agree that Lois has shown investigative and inquisitive sides to her personality in the past so I won't say she was "lightswitched" to the nth power...But the scenerio that brought her to journalism didn't help change peoples veiw who were thinking she would be "lightswitched"...

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Wingz Of Steel
But the scenerio that brought her to journalism didn't help change peoples veiw who were thinking she would be "lightswitched"...
Actually I think it make it worse at least half of the Chlois comunity still had some hope that if she was the real deal they will find a way to make her resemblence the ILL we all know and love but by doing this, must of them lost hope and I know at least one EDloiser that is in the verge of quiting, not turning Chlois but turning off the show. :(
So they made a daring move I mean they won't lose EDloisers but Chloisers in no way are going to accept this woman as ILL and they even manage to piss off real journalists that think is ridiculous that an icon that has represented their career could get a job in one day without a GED or a college degree...So expect a lot of bashing for EDlois in the press.
Again why they did this?... Is beyond my understanding.:confused:

[trusupagyrl]

Originally posted by Chloe82
If you're a real journalist, then you know 'biasest' is not a word. Right? *is worried*


yeah....good thing I have this person called an editor to catch typos and misspeslled workds :P *rolls eyes* some ppl are funny.


Originally posted by khufu
Lol yeah I would imagine someone in your position would probably be extra ticked off, because it completely undermines all the hard work that you've had to do to get where you are :\ You have my sympathies...

Awwww...thanks!

[ginnyfan]

Well... Sneeze has established that Lois loves writing and Journalism. I'm excited to see if Lois' love of journalism turns out to be "her calling" as she gushes to a skeptical Chloe and Clark at the end of the episode. It's all well and good to love the smell of the ink etc. when you're writing a personal story about funny barn doors.... but when things get tough will Lois still love it...

I can't wait to find out!!! :D