Green Arrow: First Impressions

[chlarkfan333]

What did you think about the Green Arrow (character not the actor)?

[vyperman7]

I am not looking forward to Green Arrow at all. Aside from Aquaman he has got to be the lamest hero ever. Basically just another version of Robin Hood. I hate the fact that we have a show that is supposed to focus on Clark Kent's life BEFORE he was Superman, and yet we have all of these things from the future showing up on the show. Green Arrow is just another lame gimmick to take the show off focus.He also feels like he is being put on the show just to give Lois something to do.

[MBCorp]

I was really looking forward to him until the CW started pimping him to a ridiculous extent. Who knows, I may end up liking him when I actually see him in the episode, but to be honest I'm kind of sick of him already.

[F-Stop Blues]

I have to say that Green Arrow is probably my favorite comic book right now. I am alittle annoyed that they made him young but I understand why they did that. I just hope that he acts the same way he does in the comics.

Food for thought, in Justice League of America #2 (the newest issue) Clark makes it clear that he doesnt want Ollie on the team.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I was really looking forward to him until the CW started pimping him to a ridiculous extent. Who knows, I may end up liking him when I actually see him in the episode, but to be honest I'm kind of sick of him already.

I was never really looking forward to him Alice, mainly because I wish that they would remember that this is supposed to be a show focusing on CK's life BEFORE he was Superman. I was fine with Lex, they handled Perry well, and Run was a fantastic episode. For me, the jury is still out on Lois because I do like ED. I just hate how they have developed her on the show. But this season's additions with JO, GA, JLA, etc.. It is just starting to be a bit too much.


Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
I have to say that Green Arrow is probably my favorite comic book right now. I am alittle annoyed that they made him young but I understand why they did that. I just hope that he acts the same way he does in the comics.

Food for thought, in Justice League of America #2 (the newest issue) Clark makes it clear that he doesnt want Ollie on the team.

Really?

I don't read comics so I can't say one way or the other how GA comes off in the comics. But from what I have heard about the character he is basically Robin Hood. Does the character have an attitude about him that makes him come off cool or something? He just seems like he would be a boring character.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by vyperman7


Really?

I don't read comics so I can't say one way or the other how GA comes off in the comics. But from what I have heard about the character he is basically Robin Hood. Does the character have an attitude about him that makes him come off cool or something? He just seems like he would be a boring character.

He despises Batman. And he's not too fond of Superman mainly because He feels that the big 3 (Supes, Bats, and WW) are never around for the aftermath. They always have something better to do then to clean things up. Green Arrows big thing was in Identity Crisis when Sue Dinbney (wife of the elongated Man) was murdered. Green Arrow was really the main character of that miniseries and was in all the big fights. Superman and Batman were essentially side characters.

Green Arrow is also a borderline communist. Which is why he and Batman and also Hawkman hate each other. He's a cool character but many have complained that he's just a Batman clone and while I think that was true for a long time he recently has made a name for himself. I would suggest picking up some trades with him. Quiver is good and its written by Kevin Smith. Identity crisis is probably the best comic book mini series ever. I doubt he will as edgy and nuts as he is in the comics on Smallville but hopefully they stay fairly true to his canon.

[vyperman7]

Thanks Parker for expanding on GA as a whole. Up until the character was going to be on Smallville, I had never even heard of the character. From your description, he actually does sound like a cool character.

[F-Stop Blues]

There's probably a short bio of him on the Superman homepage. You can check that out if you want to learn more about his origins. But your right he's more or less Robin Hood but cooler.

[bad3appels]

i don`t know anything about the green arrow beside (actor) that justin seemed like a nice person,i like him allready and i love the green arrow costume :lol: green is in :)

[HowardFilms]

He's not really anything like Robin Hood, except his costume, or at least, I don't see much...

He causes a lot of trouble in the recent JLA about Batman especially. Batman, having already been pissed off at Zatana brainwashing him, is taking no crap from Ollie, heh heh....

[superhippie2000]

he could be a good character to have on the show and since he is in more then 1 episode we may get some better info about him then we did with the other characters. im looking forward to seeing what kind of gadgets he has on his arrows. not sure if we will get that this episode since im not sure if we are supposed to find out who the green arrow is just yet.

i think i heard somewhere that they wanted to do batman but since they couldnt they used green arrow and that it would basically be the same thing going on yet a little tweeked to have the green arrow be the green arrow or something.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Green Arrow is defently one of my favorite books after the OYL jump. I guess people are indifferent or don't like him because he's relatively unknown to the general public, however I can tell for sure that he's a fanboy favorite.

True, he's very similar to Batman, mostly because he doesnt have superpowers and because he uses gadgets/arrows and possesses incredible intelligence and he's trainied in martial arts. They're both rich playboys, but Batman is a loner, he likes to take control of every situation and so on. Ollie has amazing sense humor and most importantly he's sarcastic, which places him on the top of my list of favorite characters.


Food for thought, in Justice League of America #2 (the newest issue) Clark makes it clear that he doesnt want Ollie on the team.

That came out of nowhere, and IMO Supes is being an a$$. In the same issue Superman asked WW if Batman should stay on the team, on top of that he asked behind Batman's back. Something's going on with Clark, and whatever it is, he better have a good explanation for his behavior, because in all honesty, I dont like it.


He causes a lot of trouble in the recent JLA about Batman especially.

He has a good reason IMO. Its because he doesnt want the power to be concentrated only in the big 3. Yes, they're the greatest, yes they've done so much for everybody, but they have also made the biggest mistakes which had huge consequences in the DCU. If you ask me, Ollie is right, we've seen what happens when the big 3 make all the decisions by themselves.

Besides, Ollie is not the only one Batman has problems with, take the Green Lanterns, especially Hal Jordan. Like Gardner says: Batman and Lanterns dont mix :D

[smallville38]

I really wish they did Batman. I've watched JLU and all those episodes, and Green Arrow clearly isn't a Batman clone. But, I'm worried that the writers will write him in as a Batman clone. The spoiler pictures here on kryptonsite does little to prove me otherwise, but I'll wait and see. :(

[HowardFilms]

I think Batman not only should be on Smallville, but deserves a show of his own.

I can see a great pilot that mirrors Smallville's. Start off with the scene of the Wayne murder, roll creidts, then come back in his teens, much like the Smallville pilot.

And no, Birds of Prey did not count.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I was really looking forward to him until the CW started pimping him to a ridiculous extent. Who knows, I may end up liking him when I actually see him in the episode, but to be honest I'm kind of sick of him already.

That's right where I'm at. I'm really tired of seeing him. Perhaps when the episode rolls around, I'll feel differently but right now...ugh.

[shy175223]

well, he wasn't so bad for bit. although I looking forward to the rooftop scene there,.

[superhippie2000]

i think he is pretty good for those first 2 minutes of him.

[F-Stop Blues]

I really liked his introduction. He held his own against Lionel and Lionel was being very MBish.

[k18]

The Oliver and Lionel conversation was pretty good. Can't wait to see the rooftop scene.

[Kalel x2x2]

like WOW!

[F-Stop Blues]

cool rooftop scene. His aim is ridiculous. Great intro for his character and thank god he gets an arc.

[HowardFilms]

That last clip was sweet, but I want to see more before I judge

[jimmyolsenblues]

I like him, an equal to do battle with Lex and a future ally for clark.
Plus uncle Morty invented Clark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mort_Weisinger

So how could I not love the Green Arrow?

[Hendo]

I don't like his attitude so far (the scene at the end). I know it's Lex he abducted... but seriously... he's supposed to be a good guy.

[coasterprincess]

I thought he was introduced in a good way. It was funny at the end though....when he said "How about Bornio" and shot off the arrow...I was pretty much prepared to throw a fit it the arrow crossed any country borders.....was pleasently surprised. Overall after one episode...I'm pretty happy. (but reserve final judgement until I see how the work him in with the rest of the story)

[sgreen236]

Originally posted by HowardFilms
That last clip was sweet, but I want to see more before I judge

i agree, but he doesn't seem like a good guy but we shall see.

[Freezeia]

Liking the character so far, but tis much more to be seen...

My favorite quote from one of the issues of the Green Arrow's comic:

<Green arrow shoots a trick arrow into the demon Etrigan's mouth, finishing the fight between the demon, him and Batman>

Batman: What kind of arrow was that?
GA: Fire extinguisher arrow.
Batman: .. I will never.. EVER.. mock your trick arrows again.

[shirkie]

So... I know nothing about GA. Does he have superpowers (besides super-aim)? How did he get his aim (natural or some sort of radioactive archery accident)? I'm soooo duhhhhh about this.
shirkie

[muffinpeddler]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I am not looking forward to Green Arrow at all. Aside from Aquaman he has got to be the lamest hero ever. Basically just another version of Robin Hood. I hate the fact that we have a show that is supposed to focus on Clark Kent's life BEFORE he was Superman, and yet we have all of these things from the future showing up on the show. Green Arrow is just another lame gimmick to take the show off focus.He also feels like he is being put on the show just to give Lois something to do.

I agree with you on everything about Clark and his development, but i have to disagree about Green arrow being lame. He was only like Robin Hood when he first came out. I really like GR in the comics, his dialogue is very entertaining (Right-winged liberal. nd Hawkman is the complete oppisite.) I'd say that aside from Batman, he's DC's most interesting human.


Originally posted by shirkie
So... I know nothing about GA. Does he have superpowers (besides super-aim)? How did he get his aim (natural or some sort of radioactive archery accident)? I'm soooo duhhhhh about this.
shirkie

He was stranded on a desert Island for like a year. In order to catch and eat food, he was forced to hone his archery skills, which became incredible. Upon returning to Star City, he decided to use his talent to protect the poor. (And speak out against any and all conservative issues) So he's a batman type of hero, with no actual super powers.

[maudeline]

I dont realy like him.. but ill wait and see

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by maudeline
I dont realy like him.. but ill wait and see

He's a really cool character. I'll bet he'll grow on you.

[Theshadow129x]

he wasnt bad i like him i want more in teh next few episodes now

[Cage]

"I am not looking forward to Green Arrow at all. Aside from Aquaman he has got to be the lamest hero ever. Basically just another version of Robin Hood. I hate the fact that we have a show that is supposed to focus on Clark Kent's life BEFORE he was Superman, and yet we have all of these things from the future showing up on the show. Green Arrow is just another lame gimmick to take the show off focus.He also feels like he is being put on the show just to give Lois something to do."

Vyperman has my sentiments exactly

I didn't like GA in the comics HE IS LAME THERE and Lame Here

[milton fine]

i already like oliver queen hes attitude is cool the way he went toe to toe with lionel was good.this what i hoped bruce wayne would have done but this is just as good

[Slytherin Princess]

my first impression was... "holy crap, he's hot!" and then i drooled a little. `=P

[Coyote]

I hadn't expected to like him, but he did seem to have kind of a cool edge to his personality, so he might turn out to be a fun character. We'll see.

[Uffr]

I like him so far. We'll see though.

[DECKASTYLE]

He was really mysterious in this episode, but thats what I love about him... mysterious and sh*t

[Lexgirl33]

Hmmm I love him cause hes hot :lol: No im still waiting on the part about his character to see how it develops.

[STFanatic]

OK, Where is Speedy?

Here is a fairly comprehensive history of GA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Arrow

http://hometown.aol.com/mg4273/greena.htm

[xrayvision]

I thought he was a cool character for this episode, but I'm reserving judgement.

[Hugo]

I'd give him a 9.5 out of 10. I liked everything about him. As a viewer I want to know where a guest star stands, how they act etc. Because of his conversation with The MB I knew automatically what his personality was. The only reason why i'm not giving him a 10 is because of The Daily Planet Arrow ending, it was cool but cheesy.

[smallvillecrazygurl04]

Well I can't really say that I love him yet because we only saw him in a tiny scene. But i'm looking foreward to next weeks episode, and I might probably start liking him some more.

[MBCorp]

I really don't like him much so far.

[RedKalEL]

what about his abbilties does he have special kind of arrows like fire arrows or ice arrows. Cuz i rember in this old JLA fighting game for genesis and snes one of his move was he would shoot an arrow and freeze an oppent

[Freezeia]

He has trick arrows yes. Time bomb arrow, greek fire arrow, boxing glove arrow, etc.

[Hendo]

I just hope it's not the Bart path again... future hero still trying to find himself while dancing on the wrong side of the law...

[ginnyfan]

He looks like an angel.

But that's not why. Honestly!

He had such gravity to him. He knows how to keep his own council. And he actually loomed over LIONEL! How dare he! I love how he didn't bother to pretend to be concerned about Lex. The Lionel scene was wonderful.

And I remembered how much of a thing I have for guys who shoot arrows... (thanks to Robin Hood Prince of Thieves... LOL!) I loved him picking out parts of the Daily Planet globe to hit in his down time... I loved him.

I guess seeing Oliver Queen and hearing him talk to Lionel... I just don't see him designing and wearing that nutso suit of his. LOL! So I guess it made me curious as to how... What his alter ego could possibly be like. It made me understand how people could possible not know that he was the green arrow. It's just so ridiculous!

[smallville38]

I liked him better than I expected, which wasn't very high. My only knowledge on Green Arrow is from the JLU cartoons. I think he fits it pretty well. He needs to exude some more of that cocky attitude and use that lighter (almost flippant/nonchalant) attitude to cover his darker past. Personally, I think they should leave the dark, loner type to Batman. Batman should be the one to wear darkness and brooding like clothing.

[God-Man]

The acting was subpar, but I thought the revelation that he orchestrated Lex' kidnapping was a good, logical twist. I like where this storyline is headed.

[The Tommy]

He delivered the best line of the whole episode:

"My God."

His delivery was amazing on that line... hahaha awesome...

[TalkinMac]

Er I see his character hindering Clark's supposed development, but then again if it wasn't the GA it would be something else.

Plus he is Lois Lane's love interest so atleast she'll be occupied.
I feel bad for saying this I usually enjoy Lois in both L and C and SR.

[CptnCardboard]

See... I looked at him and said... Lex Jr.

Sure, he's a hell of a lot cuter than Lex is (*pauses for the hatemessages*) but you got the Millionaire stuff, the kidnapping (Yes, they weren't supposed to use violence, but even Lex was against that in the beginning) and the same disrespect for Lionel.

He's supposed to be a good guy? Cuz I don't see it. Course, I'm a big fan of the 'always do the right thing' super-hero, not the broody anti-hero ala Batman, Angel or Wolverine. (Although Wolverine didn't brood so much as break things)

[ajfinn]

Why did they have him acting so unhuman? It was weird. And his little henchman in that bachelor pad scene was hysterical! It seemed like a low-budget military scene gone bad.

"Sir, yes sir. He went rogue sir." Or however it went. It was plain silly, imo.

[vikingjedi]

Reminds me of James Bond. Archery has always been really interesting to me so he'll probably end up being one of my favorite characters on the show.

[AlwaysAround]

My first impression:

One down . . . six to go. Next!

[thmallville]

He was kind of monotone and sounded like he was reading off of a script

[Krypton935]

I loved him. He was totally awesome! I loved how he just shot the globe at the end at the top of the Planet. It was sweet!

[Lightning Flash]

Green Arrow is awesome, he's gonna' be awesome. He's a pretty cool hero, I like him.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Awhile back, at a martial arts demo in europe, I saw an old Japanese swordsman cut an arrow that was shot at him via a bow, cut it in mid flight with his katana.

Coolest thing I have seen in a long time.

Green Arrow? special arrows?

*scoffs * Ninja, please !

[moviefan2k4]

Justin Hartley's portrayal of Green Arrow was very subtle and cool at the same time. He struck me as a cross between Robin Hood (obviously), Bruce Wayne, Zorro, and the attitude reminded me a bit of Julian McMahon as Dr. Doom (the charming rich guy who's a little more than cocky). Case in point is Doom's line near the end to Reed: "Right on cue!":lol:

Just my impressions; take it or leave it.

[StealthyMakoto]

People have commented on him not acting like 'a good guy' because of his kidnapping of Lex, etc...

Actually I think he has very good reasons for that. If you think about the end where his 'henchman' tells him about someone else in the warehouse using superpowers, and Ollie tells him to 'find him', then you'll realize what he may be doing.
Lex had superpowers because of Zod, and this was a fact Ollie obviously knows (because of having the only operational satellite,etc)
Now from spoilers... yes spoilers, look away... we know Ollie is going to be looking for people with powers to form a proto-JLA. So coming to look for Lex makes perfect sense in this context. He's either going to see how Lex's personality (would he use his powers for good, etc) is, or because he's forming the jla, he's worried about potential 'supervillains'.
end spoilers

So yeah... I think he's got good reasons for seeming somewhat 'shady'.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

...I was just surprised they made him look kinda mean?!?

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
...I was just surprised they made him look kinda mean?!?

I liked that part of it.

Green Arrow in the comics is a smarmy cocky jerk. He's Bruce Wayne's two alter ego's rolled into one. He's the playboy front that Bruce uses but it's not a front.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
I liked that part of it.

Green Arrow in the comics is a smarmy cocky jerk. He's Bruce Wayne's two alter ego's roll`ed into one. He's the playboy front that Bruce uses but it's not a front.

I didn't know that, thanks.

[Spoon AZ]

What I didn't like was his apartmen/lair set.

I really really really really really really hated it. It looked so fake and cheap. It looks something that would be used on one of those cheap serial shows like V.I.P. or something. It even reminded me a little of a Dr. Evil lair.

Some elements of this episode seemed like a step back in terms of production. I wonder if it's a result of budget cuts?

[SUperFInger]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I am not looking forward to Green Arrow at all. Aside from Aquaman he has got to be the lamest hero ever. Basically just another version of Robin Hood. I hate the fact that we have a show that is supposed to focus on Clark Kent's life BEFORE he was Superman, and yet we have all of these things from the future showing up on the show. Green Arrow is just another lame gimmick to take the show off focus.He also feels like he is being put on the show just to give Lois something to do.

I havent read the rest of the replies cuz this one stood out right away. "....we have a show that is supposed to focus on Clark Kent's life BEFORE he is superman..." lol are you serious? Have you seen the first 5 seasons? Since when does Clark Kent know Lex Luthor or Lois Lane before he becomes Superman? You do realize that this show is just an incarnation and imaginivite (sp?) version of his life? Its a made up show for entertainment.

As far as Oliver Queen goes, I like him. I like his attitude and the way he presents himself. We know hes a good guy but hes got that tough attitude and "I dont take sh*t mentality"

[Spoon AZ]

Since when does Clark Kent know Lex Luthor or Lois Lane before he becomes Superman?

For the sake of argument new updates to Superman's origin by DC have included a youth friendship between Lex and Clark.


Basically just another version of Robin Hood.

You obviously are only familiar with the Super-Friends cartoon GA.

The actually source material of GA is pretty good. Sure he's a Batman ripoff but he evolved into a pretty interesting character.

Check out Justice League Unlimited cartoon. He's one of the most likeable characters on there. Not for his hero gimmick (which most will agree is lame) but because of his personality and character.

[michaelkent]

I have appreciated posters who have shared their background knowledged on the Green Arrow. Since I am probably older than anyone else on this board, I thought I would share some additional history about Oliver Queen/Green Arrow from the 60s/70s/early 80s. I am not a fan of Green Arrow, as I find ordinary mortals dressed up in Halloween costumes with gimmicky weaponry to be a bore. If you think I am being harsh then you will probably not want to read anymore of this post.

Ollie was presented as a millionare type (back in the 60s and 70s a millionaire was considered to be fabulously wealthy, today you have to be a billionaire to turn heads, see the Bats and Lex Luthor for additional examples) who was shipped wrecked on an island. Before eventually being rescued Ollie created and learned to use a bow and arrow to survive in the 'savage wilds' of the island. When he returned to civilization he used his wealth to develop all kinds of arrow weaponry to use as a crimefighter.

Before DC began to rejuveinate its hero lineup in the mid-80s, Green Arrow was a pretty lifeless and bland hero (in a similar fashion to the Aquadude of the 60s and 70s). GA use to have a sidekick named Speedy who wore red tights and top, had a yellow robin hood hat, yellow boots, and orange/red hair. In other words, he was a poor man's Robin. Meanwhile Ollie wore a rather plain drab green outfit with red boots and a cheesy robin hood hat with a red feather in it. Green Arrow and Speedy had their own title, although he was never a major star within DC comics in those days. He was a regular in the Justice League of America.

In the mid-80s, GA was remade as a character with a heavy edge. If you liked him, you would see him as an outspoken, free-spirited, sarcastic, revolutionary with an eye for the ladies. If you didn't, you would probably describe him as an arrogant, loud mouth, left leaning twit without any real powers, who is a flagrant womanizer. To add to his new personna, GA was given longer hair, a beard, a much more uptodate costume, and more detective and manhunter skills.

If my memory serves me correctly, Green Arrow was without his own title in DC for a number of years. Currently, I believe his comic series is up to an issue somewhere between #47 or the low 50s. At approx. 12 issues per year, he has had his own comic for 4 to 5 years now. As far as I know (if I am wrong then so be it), GA is still not one of the leading sellers within DC comics. That claim remains in the custody of Bats, Supes, and Wonderbra, which I imagine is why they are treated as the leaders among the Justice League. So, I am unclear as to why one poster on this thread described GA as a fan favorite, unless one really enjoys the character and wants to describe him as such.

Now, what does this have to do with the GA of Smallville? Little to nothing since Millar and Gough do not have the sleepiest notion about the background of DC comic book characters. If they do know, they're not interested. As its own 'Elseworlds" TV series, who knows how Smallville will present the 'Ollie'? Smallville is targeted to young adults between the ages 18 - early 30s and their interests concerning what makes an exciting series and an enjoyable hero.

If nothing else, I hope this gives any interested fans background on the GA.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by michaelkent
I have appreciated posters who have shared their background knowledged on the Green Arrow. Since I am probably older than anyone else on this board, I thought I would share some additional history about Oliver Queen/Green Arrow from the 60s/70s/early 80s. I am not a fan of Green Arrow, as I find ordinary mortals dressed up in Halloween costumes with gimmicky weaponry to be a bore. If you think I am being harsh then you will probably not want to read anymore of this post.

Ollie was presented as a millionare type (back in the 60s and 70s a millionaire was considered to be fabulously wealthy, today you have to be a billionaire to turn heads, see the Bats and Lex Luthor for additional examples) who was shipped wrecked on an island. Before eventually being rescued Ollie created and learned to use a bow and arrow to survive in the 'savage wilds' of the island. When he returned to civilization he used his wealth to develop all kinds of arrow weaponry to use as a crimefighter.

Before DC began to rejuveinate its hero lineup in the mid-80s, Green Arrow was a pretty lifeless and bland hero (in a similar fashion to the Aquadude of the 60s and 70s). GA use to have a sidekick named Speedy who wore red tights and top, had a yellow robin hood hat, yellow boots, and orange/red hair. In other words, he was a poor man's Robin. Meanwhile Ollie wore a rather plain drab green outfit with red boots and a cheesy robin hood hat with a red feather in it. Green Arrow and Speedy had their own title, although he was never a major star within DC comics in those days. He was a regular in the Justice League of America.

In the mid-80s, GA was remade as a character with a heavy edge. If you liked him, you would see him as an outspoken, free-spirited, sarcastic, revolutionary with an eye for the ladies. If you didn't, you would probably describe him as an arrogant, loud mouth, left leaning twit without any real powers, who is a flagrant womanizer. To add to his new personna, GA was given longer hair, a beard, a much more uptodate costume, and more detective and manhunter skills.

If my memory serves me correctly, Green Arrow was without his own title in DC for a number of years. Currently, I believe his comic series is up to an issue somewhere between #47 or the low 50s. At approx. 12 issues per year, he has had his own comic for 4 to 5 years now. As far as I know (if I am wrong then so be it), GA is still not one of the leading sellers within DC comics. That claim remains in the custody of Bats, Supes, and Wonderbra, which I imagine is why they are treated as the leaders among the Justice League. So, I am unclear as to why one poster on this thread described GA as a fan favorite, unless one really enjoys the character and wants to describe him as such.

Now, what does this have to do with the GA of Smallville? Little to nothing since Millar and Gough do not have the sleepiest notion about the background of DC comic book characters. If they do know, they're not interested. As its own 'Elseworlds" TV series, who knows how Smallville will present the 'Ollie'? Smallville is targeted to young adults between the ages 18 - early 30s and their interests concerning what makes an exciting series and an enjoyable hero.

If nothing else, I hope this gives any interested fans background on the GA.

Yep, that's about right.

[Absolute Kingdom]

While I respect your oppinion michaelkent, and in large portions I agree, it seems to me that everyone is forgetting about the hystory of the "big" characters in the DCU like Superman, Batman, Green Lantern and Wonder Woman. At some point they all hit rock bottom and the DC had to resort to killing them, bringing them back from the dead so that they can re-take their positions, where they rightfully belong.

It is true that in the Golden Age and in the Silver Age he didnt have his own title only appearances in More Fun Comics, World's Finest Comics and Adventure Comics and some crossovers with other popular titles like Green Lantern and Superman, but since 1989 he survived Volume 1 with 137 issues, and volume 2 currently on #66. Even though she wears the \S/ insignia on her chest, Supergirl's success cant even beging to compare with him. That's why they created 5 versions of her. That right there speaks volumes about Ollie's character. Besides, if he isnt fan fovirite they will cancel the title. Now if someone's trying to compare him with the big 3, that's a different story, he's no match for them.

Now lts talk about what the fans on K-site want to see, appart from Batman that is: either its Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter. I'm not gonna compare him with Green Lantern because that would be ridicilous, but what about Martian Manhunter? He's one of the most popular characters in the DCU as he is to the general public and yet he cant even sustain his own title. 25 issues bum, 5 years pause, another 25 bum, 5 years later he gets 8 issue mini-series. Now judging by this which one is more popular/better? Martian Manhunter or Green Arrow?

Large portion of the Green Lanterns fans are also Green Arrow fans for obvious reasons: best friends, a lot of team-ups, incredible humor and great stories. Personally, Green Arrow OYL is my second favorite right after the Green Lantern titles.

I have many friends who read comic books, I visit countless comic book forums and the general oppinion is that Green Arrow is a fan favorite. Of course there are people who dont like him, but the majority do. Let's isolate the big 3, Flash, Green Lantern and their respective titles and the DC teams like JLA, JSA, Outsiders and the Teen Titans. Which other character sells his own title? Aquaman comes to mind, Robin and ...... and that's it.

Judging by this criteria I would say that Green Arrow is indeed popular among the comic geeks. But of course, feel free to disagree.

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by michaelkent

Now, what does this have to do with the GA of Smallville? Little to nothing since Millar and Gough do not have the sleepiest notion about the background of DC comic book characters. If they do know, they're not interested. As its own 'Elseworlds" TV series, who knows how Smallville will present the 'Ollie'? Smallville is targeted to young adults between the ages 18 - early 30s and their interests concerning what makes an exciting series and an enjoyable hero.


I liked your post but I disagree with this part. You sort of contradict yourself.

Al & Miles do care about the background. But they are also charged with doing what you said
Smallville is targeted to young adults between the ages 18 - early 30s and their interests concerning what makes an exciting series and an enjoyable hero.

Sure this is it's own incarnation. But every live action or motion media incarnation is an "Elseworlds". The movies are. The cartoons are. Lois & Clark was.

They are keeping the root elements of these characters and adapting them.

Oliver Queen on Smallville is all the root pieces of GA:

1. Orphaned rich boy
2. Arrogant & Cocky from what we've seen
3. Talented with arrows
4. Connected to Queen Industries

I understand your affinity to the comics, but you can't expect Smallville to adhere to anything other than the broad strokes of the DC characters that they bring in

[Phantazma]

To me, Smallville's Oliver Queen came across as devious. If I didn't know anything about DC comics, I would think that Ollie was a villain. I will reserve judgment until I see more of him.

[chlarkfan333]

^^ Agree. I was a little surprised that a supposedly good guy would resort to kidnapping. I'm not into the whole 'end justifies the means' philosophy.

[michaelkent]

I appreciate your responses, Absolute Kingdom and Spoon AZ. It is true that I enjoy the comics, however after watching Smallville for 5 seasons I understand and accept the show for what it is, a Superman story based on the imagination of the creators. It does not replace the decades of Superman tales, not does it establish any lasting new canon. It is merely a storyline that stands on its own and does not have to or intend to be reconciled to other incarnations of the Man of Steel. I was not attempting to complain or berate the series for that.

For instance, the only character I really admire and like in the series is Chloe Sullivan, due to the fact I find her to be the most noble, self-sacrificing, and most attractive female on the entire series (Ma Kent is a pretty nice lady too). She is a creation completely from the imagination of Gough and Miles and is a 'noncanonic character' (even though according to one of the editors of DC, Superman no longer has an established canon after the 'Birthright' mini-series), however without her in the series I would immediately stop watching Smallville. I don't find any of the other characters very interesting.

So, as with the other characters in the series who are found in the annals of DC comicdom, Ollie has a very general link to the GA of the comics. My major point is we don't known, at this point, exactly what character Miles and Gough will assign to the Ollie of Smallville. I personally don't care what they do to GA, because I could care less about him.

My other major point about GA is that I don't really know how else one can objectively determine who is a 'fan favorite' besides looking at the sales and revenue generated by a comic book/fictional figure. Yes, it is possible for a fan of a particular character to say, I believe so and so is a fan favorite because I like him/her and so do other people I know (perhaps friends). However, that in and of itself says nothing except to those who like the character. Using that line of reasoning any group of fans of a particular fictional character, however small the following, could subjectively proclaim our hero is a fan favorite. I submit that the only way to objectively confirm what fictional character is a fan favorite is based on the revenue generated from books, mags, merchandise, etc. Otherwise, the claim of who is a favorite only has meaning to those who like the character.

For the fans/posters who like GA, that's fine with me. God bless you. At my age (born in the 50s and raised in the 60s and 70s) I know that the kind of hero/heroine that is popular among many (please understand I am not saying all) young adults today, I find to be a joke. I value many of the popular fictional heroes today as worth a dime per one million (Booster Gold is a classic example). Their general characteristics include being crass, arrogant, little respect for anyone, while upholding justice means little more than doing what they "feel is right in their heart'. In other words the 'anti-hero', which had its genesis in the popular culture of the 60s, has now become the current standard for dozens of heroes because that attitude reflects the values of many in western culture. Give me the Superman of the comics who is often jokingly referred to as the last 'boyscout'. I find him to be a breath of fresh air in the stagnant odor of mediocrity among so many fictional characters.

As far as Miles and Gough's knowledge of the comics goes, if they know so much then why did they state during an interview that they aren't all that familiar with the history of Superman in comicdom? It makes sense that they don't since 'Smallville' is a significant departure from the stories of Superboy in Smallville from decades before.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Excuse me, but my reasoning is not subjective, I think I provided a good logical explanation. If someone wants to dispute the facts and claim otherwise, hey, who am I to argue with that right?

And you avoided my question, which character is able to sustain a title besides those I listed above? According to the criteria you're applying GA is indeed a fan favorite. Fan favorite as in, fan favorite for the majority of the fans not for all fans.

Green Arrow may not have been popular back in the days, but I assure you, he is doing suprisingly good in the last two decades. Why? Because he's the one who questions authority and he's the one who keeps the big 3 in check with their actions. The last few years have been pretty dark especially for the big 3, which sadly look less and less like the heroes we imagine them to be.

I understand that people have different tastes, but calling one hero a joke is a little bit over the top. Perhaps you'd like to explain better, why is he a joke? He has no superpowers? Doesnt punch through metal? Cant shoot fire from his eyes? Because he's against concentrated power in the big 3? Because he uses arrows? Because he has the courrage to stand up to Superman and question his actions and the actions of the JLA?

Please clarify.

[margroks]

He's alright as superheroes go but I think he's miscast here and since thi s IS about Clark the GA pimpage is ridiculous. THe actor was stiff and unlikeable in Sneeze and that doesn't help either.

[michaelkent]

Thank you again for your response. Let me respond to a couple of your statements:

1. I have not avoided your question at all concerning what makes a fan favorite. The only objective point you have made about fan favorites is the issue of sustaining a title for a period of time. The rest of your presentation only deals with the subjective criteria that you have found other comic readers who also consider him a likable 'fan favorite'. That is fine and well for as far as it goes, but nothing in your postings indicate whether a majority or minority of fans like or dislike him. I don't blame you for not making this a point because you, like me and everyone else, do not have the slightest idea how popular he is among DC readers or comic fans for that matter. In other words, the point that other people you have met like GA bears no more or less weight than a segment of comic fans who state in mass that they dislike him. You have every right to make that point, but that does not change the fact that it is a subjective argument. I don't care whether you believe that GA is a fan favorite or not but citing responses from fellow comic book readers as evidence is not an objective point.

Please allow me to now address the idea that a fictional character that carries a comic title in his or her name for a period of time qualifies as a fan favorite. First of all, how long does that character have to carry the title in his name to be considered a fan favorite? Let us use an example that I believe you offered up in your presentation, the Martian Manhunter. I will trust that what you said or someone said (sorry I can't recall because I'm not really interested in Jonn Jonzz of Mars) is correct that he has had runs of 25 issues, then a five year lay off, followed by another 25 issue run, and so forth. Does having only 2-year runs followed by several year gaps disqualify him from classification of 'fan favorite'? If so why? Martian Manhunter has been in the DC family for decades and has reguarly appeared in stories with other DC heroes, the Justice League of America, Justice League Adventures, Justice League Unlimited, and in the animated Justice League stories. Even using the standard you are apparently advocating, how could he not be considered a 'fan favorite'? In other words what is your cutoff point, if there is any? How many years does a character have to have their own title before they are awarded the title 'fan favorite'? Are they allowed any reprieves from running under their own title or not? The objectivity of this reasoning process is limited at best.

My point about a 'fan favorite' resides in the length of time the character has been around, their marketability, the breadth of coverage in varioius media (comics, books, magazines, TV, movies, etc.), their popularity around the globe, and the revenue they generate. None of these are subjective criteria. The '3 biggees' of DC are galaxies ahead of the rest of the pack. That is why DC promotes them because they are the bread and butter, meat and potatoes, and life line of DC. I doubt (and maybe I'm wrong) that DC could survive without them. I say this not because I'm a fan of the Bats or a follower of Wonderbra comics because I am neither. My classification of them as 'fan favorites' is based on the crystal clear objective criteria I have stated.

Once again, if you and the circle of people you move in like GA and feel he is a heroic favorite more power to ya.


2. Concerning my remark that I consider certain characters as jokes. If you don't like that statement that's fine. I always avoid vulgarity and crudity but I don't care whether people like my opinions or ideas. I am too old to spend time on something I consider to be a trivial issue.

I would suggest that you reread the 5th paragraph of my post. In that section I did not make GA the focus of my discussion. The context of my statement dealt with what I consider the deteriation (spelling?) of the character of heroes within western culture over the past several decades. I find that lamentable and consider the so-called heroes of today who have loud mouths, arrogance, and the fidelity of a rabbit in heat to be jokes. I held and hold the same opinion about the character portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in the 60s movie entitled 'The Graduate' which typified the anti-hero figure of the era. Booster Gold (whom I referred to previously) is a 'hero' who fits this mold. I do not find this type of character interesting, dynamic, or charming, instead I see him as boring, shallow, and a complete jerk. I stopped buying the '52 Weeks' series because I felt I was wasting my money on a series that involved characters I couldn't care less about. But if other people like them, so be it.

Lastly, let me respond to your statements concerning GA and why he should not be considered a joke. I see nothing heroic in a comic character with his history of arrogance, ignorance, loud mouth, and lack of fidelity trying to oppose Supes, Bats, and Wonderbra who have successfully led the JLA for years. Just because his wack job friend Hal Jordan (this week's Green Lantern of Earth), who at one point decided to destroy the galaxy and trillions of living beings so that he could remake it into a 'better place' (according to his 'heart felt desires'), supports him says squat about the validity of his opposition. If Supes and Bats think he should be out of the JLA, I would submit they probably have pretty good reasons. If I remember correctly, good ole' socialist Ollie seems to have serious suspicions (or paranoia) about the U.S. government secretly engaging in covert activity against the citizens of the United States. Does he have the right to state what he believes? Of course. Does he have the right to expect others, including those in the JLA, to believe he is more than a basket case? No. Therefore, I see GA as a joke for a hero. If you see it otherwise, that's fine.

[dusk soldier]

I liked his exchange with Lionel. He struck me as an above-average crimeboss.

He was good enough to hold interest, but not all that memorable.

Then in that last scene where he was sniping planets off of the Daily Planets globe. :eek: I couldn't even find those places on a regular map.

Def wouldn't want to get in a scuffle with that one.

[Chokito]

from the small amount we saw of him
he seems very similiar to Lex
doesn't care what he does as long as he gets what he want
i didn't think the character was going to be like that

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by michaelkent
1. I have not avoided your question at all concerning what makes a fan favorite. The only objective point you have made about fan favorites is the issue of sustaining a title for a period of time. The rest of your presentation only deals with the subjective criteria that you have found other comic readers who also consider him a likable 'fan favorite'.

Thank you, that was my whole point based on your criteria of what makes a fan favorite. The rest of the conclusions were drawn logically from that fact:

- able to sustain his own title, therefore generates enough revenues wich can be translated as quantity of sales, and since that ammount of sales is satisfactory for the DC to keep the title alive without no indication of cancellation whatsoever, means one thing: Green Arrow has a large fan base, like it or not. Its a fact and numbers dont lie. This isnt arguable, however your personal oppinions about the character are, and as I said before, I fully respect them.


Originally posted by michaelkent
That is fine and well for as far as it goes, but nothing in your postings indicate whether a majority or minority of fans like or dislike him. I don't blame you for not making this a point because you, like me and everyone else, do not have the slightest idea how popular he is among DC readers or comic fans for that matter.

True I dont know exactly how popular he is, but when you say that I dont have the slightest idea, that's where you're wrong, because as I explained above, numbers and sales dont lie.


Originally posted by michaelkent
In other words, the point that other people you have met like GA bears no more or less weight than a segment of comic fans who state in mass that they dislike him. You have every right to make that point, but that does not change the fact that it is a subjective argument. I don't care whether you believe that GA is a fan favorite or not but citing responses from fellow comic book readers as evidence is not an objective point.

True, those points I made were merely examples and in no way can be considered as facts, I realize that. However judging by the sales, he is, and that's all that matters. Its obvious: since people buy his title it means they like him. Its simple as that.


Originally posted by michaelkent
Even using the standard you are apparently advocating, how could he not be considered a 'fan favorite'? In other words what is your cutoff point, if there is any? How many years does a character have to have their own title before they are awarded the title 'fan favorite'? Are they allowed any reprieves from running under their own title or not? The objectivity of this reasoning process is limited at best.

That's not up to me or you to decide who will be awarded a fan favorite. Each new generation is different from the previous one: different values, different society, political situation etc etc. In your days he wasnt popular, but now he is. In 10 years maybe people will forget about him again, nobody can tell that for sure. For the reasons you dislike him, some fans, particulary from the new generations find him to be interesting and fun. Since the beginning Oliver Queen took the side of the everyman. His fight was akin to Batman's or Daredevil's, in the street, in the dirt, fighting for the small man. Those are the reasons why people can relate to him. Yes he has a loud mouth, he's arogant and sarcastic because not once he allows himself to do something against his beliefs, even if that means turning his back on the big 3. He doesnt look down on people from the sky, he's there with them, he knows how people feel and what they want. That's where his greatness lies.



Originally posted by michaelkent
My point about a 'fan favorite' resides in the length of time the character has been around, their marketability, the breadth of coverage in varioius media (comics, books, magazines, TV, movies, etc.), their popularity around the globe, and the revenue they generate. None of these are subjective criteria.

True and as I said in my previous post comparing him with the big 3 or the big 7 for that matter is ridicilous. This is getting redundant, I stress for the second time: fan favorite as in fan favorite for the comic geeks, NOT for the general public. I'm quite sure that Lois Lane enjoys more popularity in the general public eye even than a Green Lantern. So once again, my argument was about the comic geeks, not the general public. The general public knows Superman, Batman and the Flash, all the rest are fairly unknown to them.


Originally posted by michaelkent
Once again, if you and the circle of people you move in like GA and feel he is a heroic favorite more power to ya.

What's not to like? Bullets dont bounce off his chest and he still fights superhuman villains, risking his life for the little man. He pushes the limits of what an ordinary man can do, just like Batman does. Personally I find that inspiring.


Originally posted by michaelkent
I would suggest that you reread the 5th paragraph of my post. In that section I did not make GA the focus of my discussion. The context of my statement dealt with what I consider the deteriation (spelling?) of the character of heroes within western culture over the past several decades. I find that lamentable and consider the so-called heroes of today who have loud mouths, arrogance, and the fidelity of a rabbit in heat to be jokes. I held and hold the same opinion about the character portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in the 60s movie entitled 'The Graduate' which typified the anti-hero figure of the era. Booster Gold (whom I referred to previously) is a 'hero' who fits this mold. I do not find this type of character interesting, dynamic, or charming, instead I see him as boring, shallow, and a complete jerk. I stopped buying the '52 Weeks' series because I felt I was wasting my money on a series that involved characters I couldn't care less about. But if other people like them, so be it.

Of course these are good reasons to like or dislike a character and I agree with the reasoning behind your observation. However, todays generation is much different than lets say the 50's or 60's etc. I believe this is a case of clash of generations (no pun intented, and I ment it figuratively, not to be taken literaly). The fact is, young people have different morals and different views of the world. Of course nothing can replace the Goden Age morals, they are the core, and there's nothing better than reading a classic boyscout story, but to make it compelling to the young people who buy the books, they have to spice things up.


Originally posted by michaelkent
Lastly, let me respond to your statements concerning GA and why he should not be considered a joke. I see nothing heroic in a comic character with his history of arrogance, ignorance, loud mouth, and lack of fidelity trying to oppose Supes, Bats, and Wonderbra who have successfully led the JLA for years.

Yes they did, but they lost their ways and that was the main reason why Green Arrow wanted out. We saw what happened with the JLA in Identity Crisis and World without a Justice League. They all betrayed eachother, Wonder Woman commited a murder, Batman built a spy satellite which killed millions who were only the collateral damage. Not to mention the devastation around the globe. Martian Manhunter was so ignorant of Blue Beetle and he was directly responsible for his death. Superman couldn't controll himself and he let Maxwell Lord use him as a puppet to try and kill Wonder Woman. He was basically isolated, full of anger and misstrust. Isnt that why Alexander Luthor, Superboy Prime and Superman from Earth 2 created the Crisis in the first place?

Now how should I give the big 3 credit for that? Just because they are the big 3? Sorry I give credit where is due, but in this case I think I'll pass. Their little games about who should make the calls and the decisions are getting quite ridicilous. The new volume of Justice League isnt ay better. Just look at Superman and what he's doing. Is that how people imagin Superman to behave? I seriously doubt it. Maybe they should start following their own examples first. They even admitted their mistakes and went around to world to discover their humanity because clarly they were lost, and if you ask me they still are. I suggest, that's only if you have the opportunity to pick up Wizard Magazine the last issue, and read what Busiek has to say about Superman, the big 3 and their actions and where are they headed in the next few months. Its not looking good.

However I think this is my stop. My main point was that dispite what the general public knows or may think they knows or dont know, Ollie is a fan favorite for the comic book readers. Whether some like him or dislike him, that's a matter of personal oppinion and taste. IMHO Green Arrow is currently one of the best books by the DC, I reccomend that you pick it up. Im quite sure you wont be disappointed and maybe, just maybe you'll like him :D

It was nice talking to you, and you're welcomed to reply, but I cannot promise you that I will do the same. I feel like we're hijacking the thread and it's not fair to the other posters. I hope you'll understand. All the best.

[SuperConartist]

After seeing Green Arrow in action on Justice League Unlimited, I was excited to see Oliver Queen come to life on Smallville. Even though I'm kinda bummed that they had to cancel Aquaman, I like how they protrayed Oliver Queen as a businessman who's at odds with Lex. The last scene with the arrow flying onto the Daily Planet was pretty neat.

[bad3appels]

Originally posted by SuperConartist
After seeing Green Arrow in action on Justice League Unlimited, I was excited to see Oliver Queen come to life on Smallville. Even though I'm kinda bummed that they had to cancel Aquaman, I like how they protrayed Oliver Queen as a businessman who's at odds with Lex. The last scene with the arrow flying onto the Daily Planet was pretty neat.

that scene was my favor scene in sneeze :rotfl:
only i didn`t understand what he said when he was trowing his arrow..

[RedBullet]

Oliver isn't being a bad guy.

He wanted to find out how Lex got his powers so he could use it to make superheroes. Kidnapping Lex who almost destroyed the world isn't what I would call "mean".

Also remember that Oliver is still young.

[Joelito]

Neutral...

He had to wait until 'zod' to come to Metropolis?

[ChLoEfAn4eVaLUVSnCkLbK]

my initial impression of his character is..i thought he seemed like an a*****.

maybe my opinion will change over the course of the season.

[coco#1]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I was never really looking forward to him Alice, mainly because I wish that they would remember that this is supposed to be a show focusing on CK's life BEFORE he was Superman. I was fine with Lex, they handled Perry well, and Run was a fantastic episode. For me, the jury is still out on Lois because I do like ED. I just hate how they have developed her on the show. But this season's additions with JO, GA, JLA, etc.. It is just starting to be a bit too much.



Really?

I don't read comics so I can't say one way or the other how GA comes off in the comics. But from what I have heard about the character he is basically Robin Hood. Does the character have an attitude about him that makes him come off cool or something? He just seems like he would be a boring character.

the comic is cool great stories great supporting cast.dont take this the wrong way but maybe you should read the comic if you are going to pass judgement on it..as far as Green Arrow on smallville lets wait and see what they so with the character first

[AlwaysAround]

If you have some extra cash on hand it would be much better spent on a Superman, or a real Batman issue.

As far as the writing of the character goes they are pretty spot on so far. He was an arrogant jerk in the comics and he seems to be pretty much the same way on Smallville. Good job Al and Miles! Too bad he is a second rate Batman wannabe. So he can shoot highly advanced arrows and always hit his target, whoopty do! I'm sure the viewers will come out in droves. This or on the other channels watch Survivor, the MLB playoffs, or Ugly Betty and then Grey's Anatomy? No wonder Smallville is at the rock bottom on the ratings list. I don't think its gonna get better anytime soon with this GA shtick.

When he runs out of arrows it's "Quick! Clark! Throw me an arrow! I'm all out and this thug is gonna kill me!" :lol:

Now that's entertainment!

[magoo]

He looks like Ben Affleck's younger Edited brother.

[AlwaysAround]

Originally posted by magoo
He looks like Ben Affleck's younger Edited brother.

Especially in that K-mart Ninja Turtles costume.

[The Source]

he's a good guy to me...
and he seemed to have started his league of heroes agenda already...


Originally posted by Joelito
Neutral...

He had to wait until 'zod' to come to Metropolis?

According to Lionel, Queen industries had the only working satellite on dark thursday.
maybe during "dark thursday", several other heroes like Bart, Arthur etc. might have already used their powers to save the world (some other parts) and Oliver might have located them already. I think he located super powered "Lex" last and thus, may have came to Metropolis a bit too late (cos Lex have already lost his powers). Poor Clark was trapped in PZ and so he was undiscovered as a super hero till now...

[Miss L]

I'm reserving judgment.

That said, count me among those who hope that TPTB remember that this is supposed to be a show about Clark Kent's journey, and that Ollie's character should remain peripheral.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Originally posted by Miss L
I'm reserving judgment.

That said, count me among those who hope that TPTB remember that this is supposed to be a show about Clark Kent's journey, and that Ollie's character should remain peripheral.

I agree its seems more likely TPTB have made Clark's journey more peripheral and less important to all other plot lines.

[Sweetie]

I loved him.He was cool and very good looking too... Can't wait to see him again:cool:

[CrazyCarrie06]

Two words:

Loved Him!!

I was a little lost through the whole eppy cuz I've never watched Smallville before -- but Thursday was Must-See-TV for me!! ;D

It was AWESOME seeing Justin on TV again and I thought he did great! He looked hot in the white suit too and I like his character -- seems like a co.cky billionare -- ;D

[ShelbyKent]

Turned out better than I expected. He had enough guts to kidnap Baldy then he verbally sparred with Lionel Luthor and didn't flinch.
Looking forward to his succeeding appearances :)

[Wingz Of Steel]

Justin Hartley did not impress me in his first performance. You only get once to make a first impression and he was completely overwhelmed it seemed in his exchanges with John Glover. Once scene in particular when he steps closer to tell Lionel "I'm involved in many ventures, but kidnapping is not one of them.." I almost had to look away as I was a bit embarrassed for him (His timing was quite off). I've seen him give better performances on his insane soap opera than in this ep. He seems to be best IMO when being confident, volatile, and shrewed. I expect him to do a better job in the weeks to come and will chalk this up to first-ep jitters. I actually do like him as a character but he must do a better job or it will become clearer and clearer why Aquaman was cancelled.

[Welling_is_pretty]

I was actually kinda impressed. Justin did a passable job acting and Ollie was not so annoying as I thought he'd be.
I was prepared to hate him (cause I really don't like Ollie in the comics!) but I think now I'll reserve judgement and be a little more open minded.

[President_Luthor]

I think they needed to have Ollie show up in an ep with Lionel to give Ollie some credibility. JH did seem a bit overwhelmed, but the scene was too brief -- and he was up against JG, so it would be easy to say that he's out of his league ;).

I'll wait and see how Oliver evolves. I'm hoping for an improvement from "Aqua"'s A.C. [You remember him: 'with you on the turf 'n me in the surf ...'] Ollie's got to be better than that. Heck, he should be better than Bart. Green Arrow's not a bit player: he's JLA nobility, IMHO. (I hope the Lex-Ollie interaction won't be a rerun of Lex and Jason's spats in S4. Jason is a nobody compared to Oliver Queen).

The jury is still out on the Emerald Archer.

[shirkie]

So what *does* he do when he runs out of arrows? Or has that just never happened yet? I can buy Batman never running out of Batgadgets (barely), but what happens if GA is fighting a bad guy and he runs out of arrows? He doesn't even have any armor like Batman or any escape vehicles or anything, does he?

And might I again mention how attractive JH is, tee hee.
shirkie

[zelly]

For me it's a bit too early to tell. The only history I've had with the green arrow was on a PS2 Justice League game I played at my cousins. Though from what was shown in Sneeze he seemed like an interesting character.

[cloisinmyheart]

hes very suave and is very similar to lois. hopefully their similarities will bring them apart cuz opposites attract and similarities repel

[kryptonite_123]

i just saw the episode like fifteen minutes ago,omg he is so, i dont know what the words for out of this world are. he is so good looking, and i love the way he acts, i am so happy that there is fresh blood in the show, i was serously getting sickk of the only two guys, lex and clark. i cant wait to watch more episodes.