TV Ratings for Sneeze.

[superhippie2000]

When we get the ratings talk about them here.

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THIS THREAD IS TO DISCUSS TV RATINGS ONLY.

Please do not rate the episode and discuss it here. This is to discuss the tv ratings that the episode receives.

[NotTodayPete]

why do you thread hog? the person who gets the ratings should start the thread, then you wouldn't have all these people coming in with 4/5 and all that.

[superhippie2000]

first come first serve. thats what people do.

[NotTodayPete]

Wrong. You are starting a thread with no information in it. Why? You don't have the ratings.

And I see others here that want to start some of the common threads and you make a whole bunch. Pretty selfish.

[vyperman7]

Guys this thread isn't meant to argue over who got to start the thread first. In all honesty, who cares? It is a petty thing to argue over. Please get back on topic and discuss the tv ratings when they become available.

[F-Stop Blues]

Whats with the craziness in the ratings thread the last two weeks?

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Whats with the craziness in the ratings thread the last two weeks?

Don't ask me Parker.. :D

[superhippie2000]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Whats with the craziness in the ratings thread the last two weeks?


brainiac druged the water with silver k.



i wonder how the ratings will be this week cause they have the baseball play offs so ratings could be lower then normal. i really hope not tho.

[vyperman7]

Well considering the fact that Zod only pulled 5 million viewers and it was the premiere, I wouldn't hold out much hope for the rest of the season in terms of ratings.

[superhippie2000]

ya thats going to be bad. but still smallville is a main show for the CW so it should be safe. i just wish they would promote things that people would want to see and more often so people would tune in.

[rudyrusso]

guys, this is pretty simple, just bookmark this

http://www.tvtracker.com/daily_ratings.php


and you get daily ratings, check on friday and you'll have all the information. no need to come here and wonder who's right or wrong or if they're posting their own score for the episode.

this will be an interesting season for ratings. with the new network, the age of the series and how comics intensive the show is becoming (this meaning special effects and references that don't create the drama the show has lived on up to this point), I can't see it maintaining the same youth fan base that looks to these types of shows for their puppy love and other rookie mistakes as adolescents. the premiere wasn't great and it is probably a sign of rough things to come this year.

[Timester]

OMG, 15 millions viewers... Uh, wait, the show hasn't started yet. :p

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by superhippie2000
ya thats going to be bad. but still smallville is a main show for the CW so it should be safe. i just wish they would promote things that people would want to see and more often so people would tune in.


it's over with except for the shouting :lol:


Originally posted by Timester
OMG, 15 millions viewers... Uh, wait, the show hasn't started yet. :p

now that's funny :lol: :lol: :lol: too much

[superhippie2000]

cable boxes have trackers inside. when you turn to a channel and stay on the channel for a certian amount of time they send a message to the cable company or something and says what channel is being watched. then all that information from all cable companies goes to a tv database. at least thats what i believe happens.

[Best Episode - 321]

According to Zap2it:
At 8 p.m., the second episode of ABC's "Ugly Betty," 9.5/15, held on to most of the audience from its premiere. "Survivor: Cook Islands," 9.4/15, was just behind in households but won the hour in viewers. "My Name Is Earl," 6.0/10, and "The Office," 5.4/8, rebounded some from last week. FOX's coverage of the National League Division Series was fourth, beating The CW's "Smallville," 2.8/4.

According to Mediaweek:

Last, but still worthy of mention given the severity of the competition, was the CW’s combination of Smallville (Overnights: 3.6/ 6; Viewers: #5, 4.60 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 6) and Supernatural (Overnights: 2.6/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.32 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4).

[vyperman7]

Smallville is definately in trouble in terms of ratings. It usually takes at least half a season or more for the ratings to dip this low but they are starting the season out with ratings under 5 million. I am not suprised though because CW can't be seen by everyone, and the episode itself wasn't anything special. Plus, the baseball playoffs always take ratings away as well.

[warriorrenegade]

OUCH poor SV.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
According to Zap2it:
At 8 p.m., the second episode of ABC's "Ugly Betty," 9.5/15, held on to most of the audience from its premiere. "Survivor: Cook Islands," 9.4/15, was just behind in households but won the hour in viewers. "My Name Is Earl," 6.0/10, and "The Office," 5.4/8, rebounded some from last week. FOX's coverage of the National League Division Series was fourth, beating The CW's "Smallville," 2.8/4.

According to Mediaweek:

Last, but still worthy of mention given the severity of the competition, was the CW’s combination of Smallville (Overnights: 3.6/ 6; Viewers: #5, 4.60 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 6) and Supernatural (Overnights: 2.6/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.32 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4).

This is why I didn't want to even look at the premier's numbers, I thought that the true test was going to be how the episodes following the premier were going to be. Season 6 might be the end for Smallville if the numbers are this low. I can't see why The CW would keep around an expensive show to produce that would be going into it's 7th season when they can bring another show along that is less expensive to produce and one that can bring in slightly better ratings.

[Kreukie]

The numbers went from 5.0 down to 4.6 in less than a week.

Seems like people were turned away from the premiere not turned on.

[Best Episode - 321]

While ratings are important, there is another part to it. The demographic that watch the show is more important. Because Smallville has generally a younger male following than a lot of other shows, it makes it more profitable. The male 18-34 demographic is the hardest demo for advertisers to reach. Meaning a show such as Smallville, will be very still be profitable to a network because of advertising revenue due to younger male viewers.

[Timester]

Originally posted by myankskent
This is why I didn't want to even look at the premier's numbers, I thought that the true test was going to be how the episodes following the premier were going to be. Season 6 might be the end for Smallville if the numbers are this low. I can't see why The CW would keep around an expensive show to produce that would be going into it's 7th season when they can bring another show along that is less expensive to produce and one that can bring in slightly better ratings.

Actually, I'm more interested to see the numbers of the most watched CW shows this week. Because last week Smalville was the second more watched show of CW with only 5 million. If this week is still the same, then something is very wrong with CW.

[Damali]

According to Mediaweek:

Last, but still worthy of mention given the severity of the competition, was the CW’s combination of Smallville (Overnights: 3.6/ 6; Viewers: #5, 4.60 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 6) and Supernatural (Overnights: 2.6/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.32 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4).

Ouch. :\ I guess people didn't care about superbreath.



This is why I didn't want to even look at the premier's numbers, I thought that the true test was going to be how the episodes following the premier were going to be. Season 6 might be the end for Smallville if the numbers are this low. I can't see why The CW would keep around an expensive show to produce that would be going into it's 7th season when they can bring another show along that is less expensive to produce and one that can bring in slightly better ratings.


The ratings aren't looking too hot for Smallville, but if the CW were going to cancel anything first, my money is on 7th Heaven by the end of this season.

Most of the shows that are in their second or third week of airing took a ratings dip on the CW. I'm not sure what to make of this. The CW as a whole needs to improve.

[Best Episode - 321]

I'm more interested to see the numbers of the most watched CW shows this week

I think it will be third this week. I know Next Top Model got a 4.7/7 don't know exact viewers though, and Gilmore Girls had 4.71 million viewers.


The ratings aren't looking too hot for Smallville, but if the CW were going to cancel anything first, my money is on 7th Heaven by the end of this season.

The CW has already flipped there Sunday and Monday line-ups. Effective on Monday October 9. Doesn't make sense to me, but whatever.

[Routh]

These are only the overnights, right? Perhaps we should wait for the final numbers.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
I think it will be third this week. I know Next Top Model got a 4.7/7 don't know exact viewers though, and Gilmore Girls had 4.71 million viewers.

The CW has already flipped there Sunday and Monday line-ups. Effective on Monday October 9. Doesn't make sense to me, but whatever.

Then something is really wrong with CW. It is not normal to a channel that is the merger of other two to have less ratings then the former two had alone. But if anything, Smallville is actually save.

[Damali]

Originally posted by Routh
These are only the overnights, right? Perhaps we should wait for the final numbers.

Final numbers are always slightly better. However, I think the major concern is that the initial numbers are lower then ZOD and not higher.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Damali
Final numbers are always slightly better. However, I think the major concern is that the intial numbers are lower then ZOD and not higher.

As always.

[pags3223]

What people have to realize is that ratings are down across the board for The CW. If you go to just about any site, like thefutoncritic.com, it will give you not only this week's rating, but the rating for the same week last year. Both Smallville and Supernatural are doing worse compared to last year at this time. Does that mean the quality is bad for the shows? No.

Some people really viewed it as a bad maneuver to combine UPN and the WB and are not watching at all. It was looked on as each was selling out a certain amount of their regular demographic to gain a great overall audience, whic has failed miserably. It also failed because the merger created a situation where a lot of the markets that used to get the WB and/or UPN are now not getting the CW, thus decreasing the possible audience for a given show.

A lot of the WB strongholds (Gilmore Girls, 7th Heaven, Smallville, Supernatural) are suffering smaller audiences despite overall positive reviews of the show quality.

I'm sure that the baseball playoffs are hurting ratings, and the regional coverages of hockey season starting up is not helping in some areas, but the CW has mismanged things from the beginning. You can tell because they are already having to completely re-think their Sunday and Monday lineups due to the fact that their comedy hour shows stink.

I will never understand why they put the head of UPN in charge of this joint merger considering that UPN was always the lesser channel (rating-wise) to the WB. The new station started up way too close to the premieres of the shows, and they spent more time promoting the new station than they did promoting the shows. I would say easily that the ratio of CW promos to show promos (ANY show, not just Smallville) was 3-to-1. That is not the way to get people to watch your product.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Timester
Actually, I'm more interested to see the numbers of the most watched CW shows this week. Because last week Smalville was the second more watched show of CW with only 5 million. If this week is still the same, then something is very wrong with CW.

Yeah, Smallville may have been the most viewed show last week, but Smallville numbers aren't improving like the other CW shows.

America's Next Top Model did 5.42mil this week.

One Tree Hill rating retained 100% of last week's premiere audience.

Gilmore Girls ratings also improved from the premiere.

Veronica Mars premiere was like the 4th (or something like that) most viewed episode for the series.

Now Smallville second week numbers drop. That's bad when the TV series I've listed above don't use CGI every week.


What people have to realize is that ratings are down across the board for The CW.

That's not true a lot of the CW TV series have improved since last week.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061004cw01

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Damali


Ouch. :\ I guess people didn't care about superbreath.[/B]

Most people probably weren't even aware about the superbreath plot since the CW didn't even bother to promote it.:\

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Most people probably weren't even aware about the superbreath plot since the CW didn't even bother to promote it.:\

Why should that matter when Zod was so awesome! GO ZOD GO!

[Best Episode - 321]

It matters because after 6 years people start to think that they can miss a week or two and just start watching again and pickup right where they left off. It is The CW's job to make people want to watch it. Trailers need to make people have an affective response. Like they have to watch because they might miss something if they don't watch.

[gmg]

The reason the ratings are so low is due to the fact that the CW does not broadcast to all States. Hawaii has been left out completely.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
It matters because after 6 years people start to think that they can miss a week or two and just start watching again and pickup right where they left off.

If people think that, that's not TheCW's fault but the writing team of Smallville for throwing away plots and important details like they don't ever matter! :rotfl:

Also CW did promote this episode as the episode Clark gets a power, over the radio. I recall hearing it and I barely ever listen to the radio. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by gmg
The reason the ratings are so low is due to the fact that the CW does not broadcast to all States. Hawaii has been left out completely.

That doesn't explain why the ratings went from 5.0 to 4.6 in less then a week.

Only if more states lost broadcasting after last week.;)

[Best Episode - 321]

They should have shown it at the end of Zod. That is when the most people will hear it. You know that people are interested in the show because they are already watching. So doesn't it make sense to show those already watching the good part of the plot?

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Damali


Ouch. :\ I guess people didn't care about superbreath. [/B]

Well considering the fact that the ads made no mention of superbreath, you can't really take that into consideration with the ratings. Apparently there was only one ad that dealt with superbreath and it was only aired in certain locations. In my area, there was never a single ad dealing with superbreath that was aired. Only ads that dealt with the kidnapping plot were. That is why I wish they would have made superbreath the main focus and used that for the ads.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
They should have shown it at the end of Zod. That is when the most people will hear it. You know that people are interested in the show because they are already watching. So doesn't it make sense to show those already watching the good part of the plot?

If people are watching regardless, then no reason for them to drop out after such an awesome episode like Zod. ;)

Isn't this the board where I often read people say the episode ratings are usually affected by the episode plot before it. ;)

[Best Episode - 321]

All they needed to do was show these scenes in the trailer.

Clark: I've got big news
Chloe: What?
Clark: I sneezed.

Then show the papers flying all over the place.

And say something about while Clark is learning a new power, Lex is being questioned about his.

[Kreukie]

Well, we'll see how next week does. They promoted Green Arrow like crazy for that trailer.

[Best Episode - 321]

Originally posted by Kreukie
If people are watching regardless, then no reason for them to drop out after such an awesome episode like Zod. ;)

Isn't this the board where I often read people say the episode ratings are usually affected by the episode plot before it. ;)

That maybe the case, but its early in the season and there are many new options to watch. At this point, you need to make people want to watch.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
That maybe the case, but its early in the season and there are many new options to watch. At this point, you need to make people want to watch.

Maybe they didn't promote this new power because Al was ashamed of it. ;)

I remember reading Al once totally bashing super breathe and even saying he wasn't going to put it into the series.

Superman Returns happens and look Clark gets super breathe regardless of the fact we spent two full seasons without Clark getting any new powers.

I guess Superman Returns made the power look "sexy" again. :rolleyes:

[superhippie2000]

that sucks if the ratings are that low but a few states dont get the show and a lot of people may have turned to the baseball games. i think they need to promote more for smallville during the week cause they are always showing clips of top model and gilmore girls and those shows but we only get 2 commercials for smallville a week it seems.

[joesmallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
This is why I didn't want to even look at the premier's numbers, I thought that the true test was going to be how the episodes following the premier were going to be. Season 6 might be the end for Smallville if the numbers are this low. I can't see why The CW would keep around an expensive show to produce that would be going into it's 7th season when they can bring another show along that is less expensive to produce and one that can bring in slightly better ratings.

slightly better ratings?

The new CW shows can't even get 3 million viewers. Why do you think they brought back 7th Heaven.

Smallville will finish 2nd or 3rd for the CW, so no problem. What must be noted is that baseball is more likely to hurt Smallville because they are competing for male viewers. However Top Model, Gilmore Girls gain from it because they probably got female viewers that didn't want to watch the games.

[Spoon AZ]

Take a look at the rating for all the shows that have made the jump from the WB.

Everyone's down because of the CW jump. Some people don't get CW. Some people can't find it.

The only shows that benefited are the UPN ones because UPN didn't reach as many as the CW or the previous WB did.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by joesmallville
slightly better ratings?

The new CW shows can't even get 3 million viewers. Why do you think they brought back 7th Heaven.

Smallville will finish 2nd or 3rd for the CW, so no problem. What must be noted is that baseball is more likely to hurt Smallville because they are competing for male viewers. However Top Model, Gilmore Girls gain from it because they probably got female viewers that didn't want to watch the games.

I'd be watching the baseball too but I didn't last night because the Yankees played during the day yesterday. But the baseball is shown every year and that is no excuse. Zod still pulled in high ratings, even though it was lower than most premiers. The main story here is that Zod was not able to keep people interested like Arrival was able to do last year when Mortal aired. And why is the fact that The CW is not available in all areas a major factor? The WB wasn't available in all areas either. There are some areas that didn't get the WB last year that now get the CW.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by myankskent
I'd be watching the baseball too but I didn't last night because the Yankees played during the day yesterday. But the baseball is shown every year and that is no excuse. Zod still pulled in high ratings, even though it was lower than most premiers. The main story here is that Zod was not able to keep people interested like Arrival was able to do last year when Mortal aired. And why is the fact that The CW is not available in all areas a major factor? The WB wasn't available in all areas either. There are some areas that didn't get the WB last year that now get the CW.

Last season Smallville stay the same for the first 3 episodes.

Then it increased by the 4th episode then went down, but stayed the same a bit as the first 3 episodes.

1. Arrival.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
2. Mortal.......final number 5.9 million viewers
3. Hidden.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers.
5. Thirst.....Final Number 5.8 million viewers.

The excuse CW isn't reaching everyone was a good one last week.

But for this week it's about how last week did 5.0 and this week did 4.6.

Meaning people were disinterest with what they saw in Zod and didn't care to see it continue into the second episode which had the running theme of what happened in Zod.

[tmkfan]

Sooooooooo, who wants to argue with me about what sells in Smallville now?!

I said this before, you cant use the "some people dont get the CW crap" again if ratings dropped from last week. 400,000 viewers didnt care enought to watch this episode. GG improved their audience but SVL didnt.

Last year, Arrival had 5.9 viewers and Mortal had the same number, same as Hidden. Even in S4 the drop was like 300,000 after Crusade, but now its 400,000.

Don't come to me saying the final numbers are usually better cuz they werent for Zod, the preliminar numbers were 5 millions and it ended up being 4.96.

Also, the 18-49 demographics which matters the most to advertisers and what they're closely monitoring is significantly low compared to last year's #1-2 rank.

Smallville 18-49 ranked them #4 for last night's episode, and it can only go lower from now on.

Oh, how happy I am to see the ratings droping like this! We didnt had an ep with such bad ratings last year until Void (17th ep of the season)!! How sad is that!! :lol:

Oh but yeah.. everyone totally hates Clana and loves Chlark and Lexana and Clois! thats why the ratings look exactly like S4 ratings did. ;)

[Kreukie]

tmkfan I read your post in the other thread on the 4th and you basically called the ratings for this week. :lol:


if it goes down to 4.5 or 4 you cant use that argument again, I just hope you get that.

So you were off by a number. :p

[tmkfan]

Originally posted by Kreukie
tmkfan I read your post in the other thread on the 4th and you basically called the ratings for this week. :lol:



So you were off by a number. :p

We Clanas get the ratings right ALL the time, we know how predictable SVL can be ;)

Soo whats the guess for next weeks episode! Promoting a character that no one gives a crap about.

If the ratings for the 4th episode of this season dont have good numbers like all the other seasons (weirdly, this ep always gets awesome ratings) then I'll believe SVL really is in trouble. :)

[Timester]

Originally posted by tmkfan
I said this before, you cant use the "some people dont get the CW crap" again if ratings dropped from last week. 400,000 viewers didnt care enought to watch this episode. GG improved their audience but SVL didnt.

You still didn't got the difference between an argument and hard cold facts, even after someone posted the facts. I guess the "myside bias" is still working with you.


Originally posted by tmkfan
We Clanas get the ratings right ALL the time, we know how predictable SVL can be ;)

Is... That... A... Joke...? What me to dig the older threads?

[tmkfan]

Originally posted by Timester
You still didn't got the difference between an argument and hard cold facts, even after someone posted the facts. I guess the "myside bias" is still working with you.

whatever you say man! live in denial all season for all I care.

when they have to bring clana back to save the ugly ratings you'll finally realize how right i was. :lol:

um dude, if you cant see whats right in front of your face i cant keep repeating it, why the heck do you think so many ppl came back in S5 to watch it after the numbers being extremely low for S4?

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Timester
You still didn't got the difference between an argument and hard cold facts, even after someone posted the facts. I guess the "myside bias" is still working with you.

I read her posts and her argument was if next weeks ratings do bad, those hard cold facts no longer imply for now on.

The hard cold fact for this week is, other CW shows improved in their number while Smallville didn't.

[Timester]

Originally posted by tmkfan
whatever you say man! live in denial all season for all I care.

I'm not the one in denial here, thank you, because one, I don't live on the US and two, I don't watch the show for any ship.


Originally posted by Kreukie
I read her posts and her argument was if next weeks ratings do bad, those hard cold facts no longer imply for now on.

The hard cold fact for this week is, other CW shows improved in their number while Smallville didn't.

Those hard cold facts are always implied everywhere until they finally get CW. Nobody knows the numbers affected. But even without counting those, there is also the fact that there was baseball at the same time.

Bottom line, like I always said, NOBODY knows except the CW. The "Clana = ratings" is old and rediculous after six years.

[tmkfan]

Just answer me that man! Why when S5 and S6 had almost the same new plots coming in (Chloe knowing the secret, Clex fighting, Brainiac crap) only with the difference of Clark and Lana being together, S6 is getting such low ratings?!

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Timester
[B]Those hard cold facts are always implied everywhere until they finally get CW.

So this weeks down 4.6 from last weeks 5.0 is due to people still not having the CW?


Nobody knows the numbers affected. But even without counting those, there is also the fact that there was baseball at the same time.

Grey’s Anatomy numbers stay the same last night from last week, even with baseball. :\

And FOX came out in 4th for the night with baseball. :\

No different then FOX having a repeat of that 70's show. :p

[Timester]

Originally posted by tmkfan
Just answer me that man! Why when S5 and S6 had almost the same new plots coming in (Chloe knowing the secret, Clex fighting, Brainiac crap) only with the difference of Clark and Lana being together, S6 is getting such low ratings?!

Actually, those are the old plots. But new shows on the major networks (people always, but always move to see the new things, and then move back to the old shows, it's equal on every place in the world) and the fact that CW is a new channel with a very bad start might be big factors. And how many times we talked here that baseball games always affected Smalville? Is not a new thing.

There are plenty of factors, including unknown factors, so we, viewers, will never know the true reasons. Only the network.


Originally posted by Kreukie
So this weeks down 4.6 from last weeks 5.0 is due to people still not having the CW?



Grey’s Anatomy numbers stay the same last night from last week, even with baseball. :\

And FOX came out in 4th for the night with baseball. :\

No different then FOX having a repeat of that 70's show. :p

Perhaps you missed the "Bottom line, like I always said, NOBODY knows except the CW." on the same post?

[tmkfan]

So how do you know the Clana = Ratings theory isnt right if youre saying only the CW knows? *iz confused*

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Timester

Perhaps you missed the "Bottom line, like I always said, NOBODY knows except the CW." on the same post?

Okay... I understand that, but then why did you use the baseball excuse if NOBODY knows the reason why? :confused:


And how many times we talked here that baseball games always affected Smalville? Is not a new thing.

Always when I come here it's always the plot factor that affects the ratings.

At least that's what you always say, never baseball. :D

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by tmkfan
We Clanas get the ratings right ALL the time, we know how predictable SVL can be ;)

Soo whats the guess for next weeks episode! Promoting a character that no one gives a crap about.

If the ratings for the 4th episode of this season dont have good numbers like all the other seasons (weirdly, this ep always gets awesome ratings) then I'll believe SVL really is in trouble. :) :rotfl:

so sad...

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
:rotfl:

so sad...

You can't call someone who called out this week's number two days before the airing of the episode and only being off by a number, "sad".

[tmkfan]

Originally posted by Kreukie
You can't call someone who called out this week's number two days before the airing of the episode and only being off by a number, "sad".

ahh Kreukie, always nice to see someone else with common sense on the board. ;):cool:

[Ron-El]

Have you guys seen the competion of shows on Wednesday nights? I was so bored looking for something to watch I ended up watching the baseball game and had no interest in it whatsoever. Before Smallville gets buried in the ratings war of Thursday nights, maybe it might be considered an option to go to Wednesday nights. If it got cancelled or ran out of steam after that, you certainly couldn't blame it on the competion. :p

[Best Episode - 321]

How is plot affecting the ratings? There have been 2 episodes, and neither episode, IMO, was bad.

As for the loss of viewership from last week, there are some reasonable explanations that can be given;

ie: New York, the #1 market, had a team in the MLB playoffs, playing a team from LA, #2 market, causing a decline in ratings for show that relies on a large male audience for ratings. Or, people were interested in seeing what this Ugly Betty show is about and tuned in to that. Or, the crossover from The WB has taken longer than expected and it is lowering the amount of potential viewers.

I believe a poor job of marketing the shows to the viewers, is the main cause of lower ratings.

Like Timester said, we'll never really know what the cause is. Only the CW knows.

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by Kreukie
You can't call someone who called out this week's number two days before the airing of the episode and only being off by a number, "sad".

Congrats on guessing the ratings.

But while you're entitled to your opinion I do find it disheartening that people really believe that something as simple as whether Clark and Lana are together can impact the ratings more than the main storyline.

And leaving out pertinent information while bragging about your grasp of how the ratings work.

Like how 2 out of the last 3 seasons have dropped from the 1st to 2nd episodes.

Ratings straight from K-Site

Exile 6.7
Phoenix 6.4

Crusade 5.3
Gone 5.2

Arrival 4.4
Mortal 4.5

And there are also more logical explanation such as competition, changing networks and most important to the core fanbase: main storyline cliffhangers.

Last season Clark was stripped of his powers and many storylines were not resolved in the premiere and carried over the first 3 episodes. Where as this year every thing was answered from the finale last year.

[Kreukie]

I'm going by the numbers I have that came from USA Today and WB Network.

Where do those numbers come from? Let me post the viewership again for the first five episodes of season five:

1. Arrival.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
2. Mortal.......final number 5.9 million viewers (WB Network)
3. Hidden.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers.
5. Thirst.....Final Number 5.8 million viewers ( WB Network & USA Today)

Not once did I brag about how ratings work.

If anything everyone seems to believe they have an idea how ratings work and are getting on their high horse about it.

Including yourself.

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by Kreukie
I'm going by the numbers I have that came from USA Today and WB Network.

Where do those numbers come from? Let me post the viewership again for the first five episodes of season five:

1. Arrival.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
2. Mortal.......final number 5.9 million viewers (WB Network)
3. Hidden.......final number 5.9 million viewers.
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers.
5. Thirst.....Final Number 5.8 million viewers ( WB Network & USA Today)

Not once did I brag about how ratings work.

If anything everyone seems to believe they have an idea how ratings work and are getting on their high horse about it.

Including yourself.

I actually didn't intend the bragging part towards you. It was meant for tmkfan.

And sure those ratings are consistent. But it's a constant trend for any show to drop off from the premiere.

Last season was as the producers have put it "a ratings renaissance". That is not the norm.

And you have to understand that's it's widely regarded that shippers, whether it's on Veronica Mars or Buffy or wherever, have a tendency to be overly passionate and use any sign possible to prove that the show isn't good without their ship being at the front.

For example, Lois fans could say that Lois/Aquaman was a ratings high for the season, thus they should put Lois's romances as a regular front of the show. But yet the general fan consensus is that Aqua wasn't that great of an episode.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kreukie
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers.

I'm guessing next week ratings are going to rise then.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Timester
I'm guessing next week ratings are going to rise then.

Actually the trend is...at least since season three has been that the 4th episode of every season goes up super high in number:

Aqua 6.4 million - Season 5
Devoted 6.2 million - Season 4
Slumber 6.9 million - Season 3

Donno the numbers for season 1 nor 2. :\

[Timester]

I was talking about being a Lois/Superhero episode. Since Aqua was the most watched episode last year, I guess that people do want to see Lois/Superhero episodes.

Disclaimer: I do not support this theory.

[jack1487]

With the CW being a new network and with poor marketing of it's shows has given the CW a slow start.

Also add that the CW does not have as many stations as the big three for the fans to view. I think this has put up the poor numbers for them. The shows were actual very good IMP.

Hopefully they (the numbers) will start to move up... All we can ask is that the fans start tuning in....

Jack

[Bandista]

With the CW being a new network and with poor marketing of it's shows has given the CW a slow start.

Thank you, Jack for bringing a reasonable voice to this discussion. This infantile arguement that one story arc is the sole or even major influence on ratings is just so tiring now.

This is a brand new network, with significantly fewer markets able to tune in now. Whole metropolitan areas and entire states lost access to WB programming. Local stations are still negotiating which shows they'll actually carry, or if they'll continue to carry the CW at all.

The aches and pains of a new network are always slow to iron themselves out. There isn't enough money for marketing yet, people are still trying to find the damn channel on their tube! It's so premature to be writing off SV for ratings that really aren't bad at all.

I wish people would dial it down and get some perspective on this. This nonsense about being *gleeful* about some perceived dip in the viewership is just retarded. I'm sure there's a tutorial on how to work your remote control somewhere on the internet if you don't like what's on the CW.

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by Kreukie


Grey’s Anatomy numbers stay the same last night from last week, even with baseball. :\

And FOX came out in 4th for the night with baseball. :\

No different then FOX having a repeat of that 70's show. :p

Yeah, it doesn't look like any other show suffered from baseball.

And wasn't there baseball during the first few eps of SV last year, too? When SV had such high ratings?

As far as the Clana effect goes, I would love to see a statistical study on this, showing the correlation between rising and falling Clana in comparison to ratings. If someone can point me to a ratings history, I'll work one up.

I actually do agree that it has an effect. I've been a fan since season 2 and have noticed it all along.

The series is a lot about relationships, the two most emphasized in SV have been Clana & Clark/Lex. If this were any other show, a series wouldn't spend SO much time on a relationship only to have it end in disaster. Take Friends for example ... Rachel & Ross ended up together, thus making the 10 year roller coaster worth it.

Yes, I understand that there are those who don't give a darn about the ships on this show, and they should understand that some of us do, and that it affects how we feel about the REST of the show.

For those who like Chlark, try to remember how you felt at the end of season 2 when it appeared that Chloe was turning against Clark -- partnering with Lionel to get dirt on him. What if that had continued for ten or more episodes, would you have gotten tired of seeing your favorite pair's entire relationship (friendship and otherwise) get blown to pieces?

It isn't just that Clana isn't romantically involved anymore that ticks me off, it's that they've destroyed a compelling chemistry that happened to keep me coming back every week, despite the common sloppiness of the show.

So . . . if it continues to grate on me like this, then yeah, I'll forget about the things I liked second best about SV and move on. I'm already watching The Office live and TAPING SV.

I had 10 neighbors watching this with me last year ... every one of them has dropped off slowly since Reckoning.

Clana or not, something is killing this show, and it was happening before the poor CW airing/promotion crap and baseball. And the competition isn't as strong as last year.

SAD :(

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Grey’s Anatomy numbers stay the same last night from last week, even with baseball. :\

And FOX came out in 4th for the night with baseball. :\

No different then FOX having a repeat of that 70's show. :p

You're arguement doesn't work. Grey's Anatomy is geared toward the female viewer, sorry but I don't know alot of guys who watch the show. Im not saying there isn't , personally I don't know any. Its not going to loose numbers when stacked up against Baseball. Sv on the other hand will. It takes away from the male demo.

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by warriorrenegade
You're arguement doesn't work. Grey's Anatomy is geared toward the female viewer, sorry but I don't know alot of guys who watch the show. Im not saying there isn't , personally I don't know any. Its not going to loose numbers when stacked up against Baseball. Sv on the other hand will. It takes away from the male demo.

I can't remember, but wasn't the first month of SV last year going against baseball as well? That was SV's best time for consistently high ratings.

Am I right? Anyone know? :)

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by ajfinn
Yeah, it doesn't look like any other show suffered from baseball.

And wasn't there baseball during the first few eps of SV last year, too? When SV had such high ratings?

As far as the Clana effect goes, I would love to see a statistical study on this, showing the correlation between rising and falling Clana in comparison to ratings. If someone can point me to a ratings history, I'll work one up.

I actually do agree that it has an effect. I've been a fan since season 2 and have noticed it all along.

The series is a lot about relationships, the two most emphasized in SV have been Clana & Clark/Lex. If this were any other show, a series wouldn't spend SO much time on a relationship only to have it end in disaster. Take Friends for example ... Rachel & Ross ended up together, thus making the 10 year roller coaster worth it.

Yes, I understand that there are those who don't give a darn about the ships on this show, and they should understand that some of us do, and that it affects how we feel about the REST of the show.

For those who like Chlark, try to remember how you felt at the end of season 2 when it appeared that Chloe was turning against Clark -- partnering with Lionel to get dirt on him. What if that had continued for ten or more episodes, would you have gotten tired of seeing your favorite pair's entire relationship (friendship and otherwise) get blown to pieces?

It isn't just that Clana isn't romantically involved anymore that ticks me off, it's that they've destroyed a compelling chemistry that happened to keep me coming back every week, despite the common sloppiness of the show.

So . . . if it continues to grate on me like this, then yeah, I'll forget about the things I liked second best about SV and move on. I'm already watching The Office live and TAPING SV.

I had 10 neighbors watching this with me last year ... every one of them has dropped off slowly since Reckoning.

Clana or not, something is killing this show, and it was happening before the poor CW airing/promotion crap and baseball. And the competition isn't as strong as last year.

SAD :(


true story

[Fly by guy]

I think the ratings are down simply because the interest is down. The show has changed drastically since Reckoning and the direction MAY be one that some viewers prefer not to take.
I used to never miss the show when it aired but now I record it and watch when I have time, instead of making time.
I now am more interested in watching some of the new shows that are more refreshing and not yet SO D### frustrating.

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
I think the ratings are down simply because the interest is down. The show has changed drastically since Reckoning and the direction MAY be one that some viewers prefer not to take.
I used to never miss the show when it aired but now I record it and watch when I have time, instead of making time.
I now am more interested in watching some of the new shows that are more refreshing and not yet SO D### frustrating.

I'm with you 100% :\

I've never invested so much emotion in a show, not even close.

When you do that you set yourself up for major disappointment if the show falls to pieces. And the aspects I enjoyed most about this show have indeed done that.

[Best Episode - 321]

Originally posted by Timester
Actually, I'm more interested to see the numbers of the most watched CW shows this week. Because last week Smalville was the second more watched show of CW with only 5 million. If this week is still the same, then something is very wrong with CW.

I got the final Ratings for last week and Smallville actually was the most watched show.

Abcmedianet.com publishes them every Tuesday afternoon for the previous Monday-Sunday. These are the final, officials, every market counted and sports preemptions sifted out. These are the numbers the network pay attention to when making decisions.

Sept 25 - Oct 1

Smallville 4.960 million
America's Next Top Model 4.680 million
Gilmore Girls 4.480 million
7th Heaven 4.190 million (big drop from fast nationals)
Smackdown 3.980 million
Supernatural 3.930 million
One Tree Hill 3.440 million
Girlfriends 2.740 million
The Game 2.60 million
Everybody Hates Chris 2.440 million
ANTM encore 2.43 million
All of Us 2.30 million
Runaway 2.180 million
Runaway encore 1.650 million

[Timester]

Thanks. So we need to wait until next Tuesday to compare the numbers.

[kh1]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Congrats on guessing the ratings.

But while you're entitled to your opinion I do find it disheartening that people really believe that something as simple as whether Clark and Lana are together can impact the ratings more than the main storyline.

And leaving out pertinent information while bragging about your grasp of how the ratings work.

Like how 2 out of the last 3 seasons have dropped from the 1st to 2nd episodes.

Ratings straight from K-Site

Exile 6.7
Phoenix 6.4

Crusade 5.3
Gone 5.2

Arrival 4.4
Mortal 4.5

And there are also more logical explanation such as competition, changing networks and most important to the core fanbase: main storyline cliffhangers.

Last season Clark was stripped of his powers and many storylines were not resolved in the premiere and carried over the first 3 episodes. Where as this year every thing was answered from the finale last year.

Perhaps the relationship aspect of the show between Clark and Lana is what many tune in for and they really don't give a rat's a** about what you call the main storyline other than how it is worked around and affects Clana, I don't watch now, and I know many who quit as soon as they became aware that there wasn't a chance for Clana any longer. A lot of people tune in for the relationship and really could care less about all the special effects, I don't think many tune into Grey's Anatomy to watch the medical procedures.

[supes0]

Originally posted by kh1
[B]Perhaps the relationship aspect of the show between Clark and Lana is what many tune in for and they really don't give a rat's a** about what you call the main storyline other than how it is worked around and affects Clana,


This is a fabulous data point. I hope future producers of stories set in Clark Kent's youth take heed.

Don't make the focus of your show Clark & Lana, for they are doomed. Shipper fans will turn on you because the two are highschool sweethearts who end. The hero moves onwards to find his soul-mate later in life. So why bother with romance at this stage?

Instead, concentrate on his journey to greatness, the real neverending story!

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by kh1
Perhaps the relationship aspect of the show between Clark and Lana is what many tune in for and they really don't give a rat's a** about what you call the main storyline other than how it is worked around and affects Clana, I don't watch now, and I know many who quit as soon as they became aware that there wasn't a chance for Clana any longer. A lot of people tune in for the relationship and really could care less about all the special effects, I don't think many tune into Grey's Anatomy to watch the medical procedures.

I get bugged by posts like these when people hold Clana ending against the show. THERE WAS NEVER a chance for Clana. They were NEVER supposed to stay together. The fact that Clark and Lana are no longer together, is simply the writers following the story. Now could they have handled the whole relationship a lot better? Yes. But in the end, the outcome of them not being together is the same. Clana shippers were always supporting something that was never going to succeed in the end.

There has to be more reasons that you would want to watch the show than just Clark and Lana. The fact that the show is telling the story of Clark Kent before he was Superman, and how he grows into the character (supposedly anyways) doesn't draw you in at all?


Originally posted by Bandista
Thank you, Jack for bringing a reasonable voice to this discussion. This infantile arguement that one story arc is the sole or even major influence on ratings is just so tiring now.

This is a brand new network, with significantly fewer markets able to tune in now. Whole metropolitan areas and entire states lost access to WB programming. Local stations are still negotiating which shows they'll actually carry, or if they'll continue to carry the CW at all.

You do have to remember however, that the show's content is the reason people tune in. So for you to say that people shouldn't argue over storylines, isn't really true. The fact of the matter is that the CW could be seen by everyone, and Smallville could have a lot less competition, but if the show's content isn't what people want to see, it won't matter. People have to want to tune in, and that has nothing to do with the network, or how many areas carry it.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by kh1
Perhaps the relationship aspect of the show between Clark and Lana is what many tune in for and they really don't give a rat's a** about what you call the main storyline other than how it is worked around and affects Clana, I don't watch now, and I know many who quit as soon as they became aware that there wasn't a chance for Clana any longer. A lot of people tune in for the relationship and really could care less about all the special effects, I don't think many tune into Grey's Anatomy to watch the medical procedures.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: too funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Originally posted by vyperman7
I get bugged by posts like these when people hold Clana ending against the show.

[only time will tell]

THERE WAS NEVER a chance for Clana.

[says who?]

They were NEVER supposed to stay together.

[so you say?]

The fact that Clark and Lana are no longer together, is simply the writers following the story.

[:lol: now that is funny, TPTB have not followed the mythos if that is what you are referring to when you say "story," this show is so far removed from the "story" that it is laughable to suggest that Smallville is about the life of Superman or even Superboy :lol: :lol: :lol: - you made my day :lol:]

[further note on this point of "story" is the fact that Smallville is so far removed from the mythos, that the clana aspect could have worked given the lack of respect and continuity of the "story" as told by TPTB - Lois Lane was never in Smallville -only reason she's there in the "story" is because of cheap thrills which are the heart and soul of Smallville, which is also the reason for its rapid decline in ratings and viewing audience - for some the only redeeming feature of the show was the relationship between Clark and his parents and the clumsy relationship of first love -there were some tender points that alot of folk could relate to. The crap that is spawned each thursday night of late won't cut it for some. Others like it and that's ok too. JMHO]

Now could they have handled the whole relationship a lot better? Yes. But in the end, the outcome of them not being together is the same.

[unfortunately for the show :lol:]

Clana shippers were always supporting something that was never going to succeed in the end.

[so what? others who watched it for continuity and fidelity to the "story" are sadly mistaken - the corruption of Martha Kent and Lana Lang by the tag team of psychofunts: pop and spawn is not entertaining to say the least. Just go ahead and destroy the imagery of the legacy of Jonathan Kent by having his soul mate frolic around with the sinister clan of evildoers, yeah that's it - makes for good copy. Sure show Clark's first love as a neophite madam of darkness and slave to Hanibal Lector on steroids - to be his little hump toy right in front of Clark - yeah that will sell for sure :lol: pathetic]


There has to be more reasons that you would want to watch the show than just Clark and Lana.

[really, name one. The cave theme was pretty good, but that killed that one. Let's see.... FOS where Clark was supposed to go and get the training is now caput or so they say (don't watch anymore) - what redeeming value does the show have to offer other than cheap thrills without substance which one is aware that some like to view. The best opportunity for Clark to "move on" with his life was the FOS -that didn't happen in spite of fact that the first episode of S5 dealt with it, now it's gone? Come on who can follow that?]

The fact that the show is telling the story of Clark Kent before he was Superman, and how he grows into the character (supposedly anyways) doesn't draw you in at all?

[It sure would have, if in fact that is what they were and are doing, but come on now, be honest . . . do you really believe that Smallville is about the mythos of Superman or even Superboy? Be honest now]

You do have to remember however, that the show's content is the reason people tune in. So for you to say that people shouldn't argue over storylines, isn't really true. The fact of the matter is that the CW could be seen by everyone, and Smallville could have a lot less competition, but if the show's content isn't what people want to see, it won't matter. People have to want to tune in, and that has nothing to do with the network, or how many areas carry it.

[now this is a true story my friend for sure - it's over except for the shouting]

peace

[kh1]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I get bugged by posts like these when people hold Clana ending against the show. THERE WAS NEVER a chance for Clana. They were NEVER supposed to stay together. The fact that Clark and Lana are no longer together, is simply the writers following the story. Now could they have handled the whole relationship a lot better? Yes. But in the end, the outcome of them not being together is the same. Clana shippers were always supporting something that was never going to succeed in the end.

There has to be more reasons that you would want to watch the show than just Clark and Lana. The fact that the show is telling the story of Clark Kent before he was Superman, and how he grows into the character (supposedly anyways) doesn't draw you in at all?



You do have to remember however, that the show's content is the reason people tune in. So for you to say that people shouldn't argue over storylines, isn't really true. The fact of the matter is that the CW could be seen by everyone, and Smallville could have a lot less competition, but if the show's content isn't what people want to see, it won't matter. People have to want to tune in, and that has nothing to do with the network, or how many areas carry it.

The show could have easily continued the Clana relationship and ended with them happy, they never had to end their relationship. Lois and Clark are later in his life, for this particular show everything could have always been about Clark and Lana and they could have ended with them blissfully happy and the audience never knowing what eventually broke them up, but instead getting very good shows from 2 actors who have very good chemistry.

With regards to having an interest in watching Clark grow into his character, no, it really doesn't draw me in, not him alone or with characters I really could care less about. It is the same with regards to the "Superman" movies and the "Lois and Clark" television show, without Lois I would have had little to no interest, it is the same here, without Lana by his side I really have no interest, and I would imagine it is this way for many others as well.

[jimmyolsenblues]

The important thing is does the CW think a different show would do better in the same time slot.
I don't think bad ratings will get this show cancelled but it could be moved to another night in an attempt to do better on the most important night for tv thursdays at 8.

[supes0]

Originally posted by kh1
[B]The show could have easily continued the Clana relationship and ended with them happy, they never had to end their relationship.

But they did have to end unless the series was to be canceled as soon as they graduated high-school. That is when Lana and Clark end.

It's important to Clark's journey he leaves Lana behind. This isn't a fairy tale romance.

I think Al and Miles did lead clana fans on. They've admitted not knowing much about the Superman mythos, other than the very basics. Because of this they've made provably wrong comments about Superman's future, causing Clana fans to believe there is a deeper connection between Clark and Lana than really exists outside of Smallville.

This quote in particular comes to mind, it's from an interview given near the end of season 1 (the either girl is in reference to Chloe and Lana) :


Regarding the love triangle, we all know that ultimately, Clark doesn't end up with either girl. Does that make it difficult to write?
Not really, because you feel there's a soul-mate connection between Lana and Clark. And whether or not he ends up with that person, it's...How does that person affect the man he'll become? Yes, he goes on, and he's with Lois, but did he ever get over Lana? Was she the one who got away? Because maybe, at that point in life, he couldn't be honest or deal with it. With Clark and Lana, you have a little bit of the star-crossed lovers, and a little bit of When Harry Met Sally.

Source: Michael Rosenbuam's web site quoting from E! interview:
"It's a Bird! It's a Plane! No, It's the Man Behind Smallville--Alfred Gough"


This is ridiculously easy to disprove. There are literaly 100s of comics in canon which out right contradict this claim (in this quote, Al is talking about their relationship in the context of the present comic book universe), right up to last month's Superman 655.

Lana isn't the one who got away, she hasn't moved on to this day. Her life is a mess because of her unrequited love for Clark.

That is the current state of affairs between Clark and Lana, but the clana fans don't like to hear or accept it. There never was a chance for a blissful relationship for them, because that just isn't the arc they take. For Lana to end up where she is today, Clark has to leave her. Her journey is dependent on her not getting the man, it colors every decision she makes later in life.

I think AlMiles did create a problem by elevating Lana not only in the context of Smallville, but misleading themselves (not by design by any means) and the viewers (many who are not up on their Superman lore) in to thinking she holds this sacred place in the DC universe. MHO, they're paying a price.

Do I believe the lack of Clana is the cause of the ratings problems? No. But I do wonder if the excessive focus and angst between the characters play a part in the current rating troubles. While there were people upset that Clana didn't work, there were people upset that Clana was made in to this grand love affair, which isn't supported by the source material.

Now the show has to find a way to strike a different chord beyond teen angst. MHO, last week's episode interactions between Chloe and Clark took a giant step in that direction. Clark was relaxed, having fun, his playfulness (Butterfly Effect not withstanding.. ;) ) when blowing the clouds away, with Chloe beaming next to him was nice to see. It was a sweet moment.

I hope it's a metaphor for this season, blow away the angst and let the sun shine!

It will be interesting to see the ratings picture 10-11 episodes down the line. Smallville seems to garnering better buzz in the comic book geek circles, anecdotely better than I've seen in years, will these folks come back? Will the viewers who left during season 3 come back? Only time will tell.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by kh1
The show could have easily continued the Clana relationship and ended with them happy, they never had to end their relationship. Lois and Clark are later in his life, for this particular show everything could have always been about Clark and Lana and they could have ended with them blissfully happy and the audience never knowing what eventually broke them up, but instead getting very good shows from 2 actors who have very good chemistry.

With regards to having an interest in watching Clark grow into his character, no, it really doesn't draw me in, not him alone or with characters I really could care less about. It is the same with regards to the "Superman" movies and the "Lois and Clark" television show, without Lois I would have had little to no interest, it is the same here, without Lana by his side I really have no interest, and I would imagine it is this way for many others as well.


true story


Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
The important thing is does the CW think a different show would do better in the same time slot.
I don't think bad ratings will get this show cancelled but it could be moved to another night in an attempt to do better on the most important night for tv thursdays at 8.

hope so for those who still watch the show


Originally posted by supes0
But they did have to end unless the series was to be canceled as soon as they graduated high-school. That is when Lana and Clark end.

It's important to Clark's journey he leaves Lana behind. This isn't a fairy tale romance.

I think Al and Miles did lead clana fans on. They've admitted not knowing much about the Superman mythos, other than the very basics. Because of this they've made provably wrong comments about Superman's future, causing Clana fans to believe there is a deeper connection between Clark and Lana than really exists outside of Smallville.

This quote in particular comes to mind, it's from an interview given near the end of season 1 (the either girl is in reference to Chloe and Lana) :



Source: Michael Rosenbuam's web site quoting from E! interview:
"It's a Bird! It's a Plane! No, It's the Man Behind Smallville--Alfred Gough"


This is ridiculously easy to disprove. There are literaly 100s of comics in canon which out right contradict this claim (in this quote, Al is talking about their relationship in the context of the present comic book universe), right up to last month's Superman 655.

Lana isn't the one who got away, she hasn't moved on to this day. Her life is a mess because of her unrequited love for Clark.

That is the current state of affairs between Clark and Lana, but the clana fans don't like to hear or accept it. There never was a chance for a blissful relationship for them, because that just isn't the arc they take. For Lana to end up where she is today, Clark has to leave her. Her journey is dependent on her not getting the man, it colors every decision she makes later in life.

I think AlMiles did create a problem by elevating Lana not only in the context of Smallville, but misleading themselves (not by design by any means) and the viewers (many who are not up on their Superman lore) in to thinking she holds this sacred place in the DC universe. MHO, they're paying a price.

Do I believe the lack of Clana is the cause of the ratings problems? No. But I do wonder if the excessive focus and angst between the characters play a part in the current rating troubles. While there were people upset that Clana didn't work, there were people upset that Clana was made in to this grand love affair, which isn't supported by the source material.

Now the show has to find a way to strike a different chord beyond teen angst. MHO, last week's episode interactions between Chloe and Clark took a giant step in that direction. Clark was relaxed, having fun, his playfulness (Butterfly Effect not withstanding.. ;) ) when blowing the clouds away, with Chloe beaming next to him was nice to see. It was a sweet moment.

I hope it's a metaphor for this season, blow away the angst and let the sun shine!

It will be interesting to see the ratings picture 10-11 episodes down the line. Smallville seems to garnering better buzz in the comic book geek circles, anecdotely better than I've seen in years, will these folks come back? Will the viewers who left during season 3 come back? Only time will tell.


in a word, "no."

peace

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by kh1
The show could have easily continued the Clana relationship and ended with them happy, they never had to end their relationship. Lois and Clark are later in his life, for this particular show everything could have always been about Clark and Lana and they could have ended with them blissfully happy and the audience never knowing what eventually broke them up, but instead getting very good shows from 2 actors who have very good chemistry.

With regards to having an interest in watching Clark grow into his character, no, it really doesn't draw me in, not him alone or with characters I really could care less about. It is the same with regards to the "Superman" movies and the "Lois and Clark" television show, without Lois I would have had little to no interest, it is the same here, without Lana by his side I really have no interest, and I would imagine it is this way for many others as well.

The most effective statement you make is "without Lana by his side". So many threads have been about the angst and drama caused by their on and off relationship. They could have easily kept them together for seasons 5 and 6 and left MOST of the romance in the far background.
I think it is useless now to debate whether the end of Clana has effectively ended SV's good ratings because it has been done. It is OBVIOUS to most that Lexana and Lexod didn't did ANYTHING good for the ratings.
The show doesn't need Clana to be good, but IMO it was better when it existed. Clois isn't supposed to be for about what 9 years? Couldn't happy Clana exist for more than three episodes?
Sneeze only helped to widen the Clana gap and also the ratings gap from season 5.2 to season 6.2. What's 1.3 million viewers? Roughly one third of what Sneeze got. 4.6??? Bad. Mortal 5.9 Good. Season 6 to be determined, I'm guessing it's not Good.:(

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
The most effective statement you make is "without Lana by his side". So many threads have been about the angst and drama caused by their on and off relationship. They could have easily kept them together for seasons 5 and 6 and left MOST of the romance in the far background.
I think it is useless now to debate whether the end of Clana has effectively ended SV's good ratings because it has been done. It is OBVIOUS to most that Lexana and Lexod didn't did ANYTHING good for the ratings.
The show doesn't need Clana to be good, but IMO it was better when it existed. Clois isn't supposed to be for about what 9 years? Couldn't happy Clana exist for more than three episodes?
Sneeze only helped to widen the Clana gap and also the ratings gap from season 5.2 to season 6.2. What's 1.3 million viewers? Roughly one third of what Sneeze got. 4.6??? Bad. Mortal 5.9 Good. Season 6 to be determined, I'm guessing it's not Good.:(

Ditto ....... well said!

[tmkfan]

*sigh*

ill never understand why you people dont get that we KNOW clark and lana dont end up together

makes me laugh everytime i read that we dont know that clark ends up with lois

[ajfinn]

At lunch today, I ran into a lady who knows I watch Smallville because we both talked last December about how much we loved watching it with our husbands -- who work together.

She asked me if I was still watching it, I said, "Yeah, but--" that's all I got out before she said, "It's bugging you, too, huh?" I told her yes and she said she decided to watch it last Thursday just to see if it was getting any better, and her husband walked in (who used to be a huge fan, too) and looked at her funny. She said, "I was so embarrassed that he caught me watching it, because we always talk about how stupid the show is now."

Hmmmmm ....... well, I think that says a lot.

If Smallville now has "closet fans" who are embarrassed to still be watching, something has gone terribly wrong. :(

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by ajfinn
At lunch today, I ran into a lady who knows I watch Smallville because we both talked last December about how much we loved watching it with our husbands -- who work together.

She asked me if I was still watching it, I said, "Yeah, but--" that's all I got out before she said, "It's bugging you, too, huh?" I told her yes and she said she decided to watch it last Thursday just to see if it was getting any better, and her husband walked in (who used to be a huge fan, too) and looked at her funny. She said, "I was so embarrassed that he caught me watching it, because we always talk about how stupid the show is now."

Hmmmmm ....... well, I think that says a lot.

If Smallville now has "closet fans" who are embarrassed to still be watching, something has gone terribly wrong. :(

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: this is just too funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by ajfinn
At lunch today, I ran into a lady who knows I watch Smallville because we both talked last December about how much we loved watching it with our husbands -- who work together.

She asked me if I was still watching it, I said, "Yeah, but--" that's all I got out before she said, "It's bugging you, too, huh?" I told her yes and she said she decided to watch it last Thursday just to see if it was getting any better, and her husband walked in (who used to be a huge fan, too) and looked at her funny. She said, "I was so embarrassed that he caught me watching it, because we always talk about how stupid the show is now."

Hmmmmm ....... well, I think that says a lot.

If Smallville now has "closet fans" who are embarrassed to still be watching, something has gone terribly wrong. :(

No offense, but this is nothing new. I've heard other fans say the same thing for a long time now. For a good number of them & myself, it all depends on the episode as to whether there is any embrassment in saying we watch Smallville. In fact, I need look no further than the 2nd episode of the FIRST Season.....that's right........the one about BUG BOY! And to make matters worse, not only was he made to fall head over hells for the Pink Princess....like ZOD, he also desired to "mate" with her. Oh well, at least that was still better than the exploding baby, or Vampire College Girls Gone Wild. Exactly when did you become embarrased to watch this show? Just Curious.

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by CK&CK
No offense, but this is nothing new. I've heard other fans say the same thing for a long time now. For a good number of them & myself, it all depends on the episode as to whether there is any embrassment in saying we watch Smallville. In fact, I need look no further than the 2nd episode of the FIRST Season.....that's right........the one about BUG BOY! And to make matters worse, not only was he made to fall head over hells for the Pink Princess....like ZOD, he also desired to "mate" with her. Oh well, at least that was still better than the exploding baby, or Vampire College Girls Gone Wild. Exactly when did you become embarrased to watch this show? Just Curious.


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point taken :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Exactly when did you become embarrased to watch this show? Just Curious.

I said that the lady I was talking to was embarassed about watching the show, not me. All ten of my friends who used to watch it aren't anymore, since Reckoning, so I'm alone now.

I guess I stick around hoping that the good will soon out weigh the annoying for me, on a consistant basis, but it's just not happening yet.

Honestly, though, Lexana grates on my nerves more than anything, in ANY show, ever has. So that will be the nail in the coffin for me if it continues much longer.

As a few more posters have said on these boards, why is Lexana suddenly the biggest plot on Smallville? Clark seems like a minor character right now, imo. Everything on the freaking show seems to be revolving around Lex. I'm just waiting for Jimmy Olsen to get tangled up with him, then we'll have to call the show "Lexville." :rolleyes:

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by ajfinn
As a few more posters have said on these boards, why is Lexana suddenly the biggest plot on Smallville? Clark seems like a minor character right now, imo. Everything on the freaking show seems to be revolving around Lex. I'm just waiting for Jimmy Olsen to get tangled up with him, then we'll have to call the show "Lexville." :rolleyes:

I'm also annoyed by the emphasis on Lexana (probably one of my least favorite romances ever) but I think the reason why Lexana is such a big plot isn't because the show is revolving around Lex right now, but that's it's doing what it's always done and is revolving around Lana. That's why Lexana is the biggest plot on SV, because of tptb's obsession with Lana. Lexana is the new Clana, IMO. And frankly, as someone who was interested in Lex's storyline until recently, I find the whole Lexana plotline to be less about Lex and more about Lana and her problems.

[Dangerous George]

Lanaville?

[Fly by guy]

ScewedUpTheShowVille?

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I'm also annoyed by the emphasis on Lexana (probably one of my least favorite romances ever) but I think the reason why Lexana is such a big plot isn't because the show is revolving around Lex right now, but that's it's doing what it's always done and is revolving around Lana. That's why Lexana is the biggest plot on SV, because of tptb's obsession with Lana. Lexana is the new Clana, IMO. And frankly, as someone who was interested in Lex's storyline until recently, I find the whole Lexana plotline to be less about Lex and more about Lana and her problems.

I think it comes down to this .... Clana fans hate the Lexana, Chlark & Chlois fans don't like it either (that I've seen) and many Lex fans hate it, too. Then we have Clark fans who never see much of HIM anymore, and Lana fans who would rather have her hook up with another list of meteor freaks than Lex . . . geez, WHO is happy about this pairing? A very small crowd, imo.

No wonder tptb are distancing fans. No matter how much we like other parts of the show, we are FORCED to watch this nauseating Lexana! :mad: :rolleyes:

[Best Episode - 321]

Originally posted by Timester
Thanks. So we need to wait until next Tuesday to compare the numbers.

Here is the comparison

Sept 25 - Oct 1

Smallville 4.960 million
America's Next Top Model 4.680 million
Gilmore Girls 4.480 million
7th Heaven 4.190 million (big drop from fast nationals)
Smackdown 3.980 million
Supernatural 3.930 million
One Tree Hill 3.440 million
Girlfriends 2.740 million
The Game 2.60 million
Everybody Hates Chris 2.440 million
ANTM encore 2.43 million
All of Us 2.30 million
Runaway 2.180 million
Runaway encore 1.650 million


Oct 2 - Oct 8

America's Next Top Model--5.25 million
Gilmore Girls --4.62 million
Smallville--4.52 million
7th Heaven--4.17 million
Veronica Mars--3.36 million
Supernatural--3.34 million
One Tree Hill--3.09 million
Girlfriends--2.87 million
ANTM encore--2.72 million
The Game--2.69 million
All of Us--2.4 million
Everybody Hates Chris--2.36 million
Runaway 1.86 million

rankings link (http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=101006_05)

[Dangerous George]

Originally posted by ajfinn
I think it comes down to this .... Clana fans hate the Lexana, Chlark & Chlois fans don't like it either (that I've seen) and many Lex fans hate it, too. Then we have Clark fans who never see much of HIM anymore, and Lana fans who would rather have her hook up with another list of meteor freaks than Lex . . . geez, WHO is happy about this pairing? A very small crowd, imo.

No wonder tptb are distancing fans. No matter how much we like other parts of the show, we are FORCED to watch this nauseating Lexana! :mad: :rolleyes:


too funny :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Here is the comparison

Sept 25 - Oct 1

Smallville 4.960 million
America's Next Top Model 4.680 million
Gilmore Girls 4.480 million
7th Heaven 4.190 million (big drop from fast nationals)
Smackdown 3.980 million
Supernatural 3.930 million
One Tree Hill 3.440 million
Girlfriends 2.740 million
The Game 2.60 million
Everybody Hates Chris 2.440 million
ANTM encore 2.43 million
All of Us 2.30 million
Runaway 2.180 million
Runaway encore 1.650 million


Oct 2 - Oct 8

America's Next Top Model--5.25 million
Gilmore Girls --4.62 million
Smallville--4.52 million
7th Heaven--4.17 million
Veronica Mars--3.36 million
Supernatural--3.34 million
One Tree Hill--3.09 million
Girlfriends--2.87 million
ANTM encore--2.72 million
The Game--2.69 million
All of Us--2.4 million
Everybody Hates Chris--2.36 million
Runaway 1.86 million

rankings link (http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=101006_05)

Seems like the fluctuation only afected the male fan base (baseball) ANTM and GG have a solid female audience.

I watched the game too, I dont get the CW though, so really no choice.

And sorry it became a ship discussion, the truth is, the only problem of the show is that they created a huge Ship based fandom, and with that comes problems cause your core fandom can never be happy. You got Chlarkers, Clarmy and most recently Cloisers, and if your main plot is about a ship (any one ship), then you make the other two ship groups to loose interest, if you change to another ship again you loose the other 2 groups, you can never satisfy them all, only the ones that dont care about the ships

If the show had, from the begining set its main focus on Clarks journey towards becoming superman and stayed on it then it would have maybe not higher ratings but more consistant ones. But with ships you can never satisfy your whole fan base, cause you divided them. Like they sayd Divide and Conquer, so i guess SV divided their own fandom and the Other shows came to conquer.


Originally posted by ajfinn

No wonder tptb are distancing fans. No matter how much we like other parts of the show, we are FORCED to watch this nauseating Lexana! :mad: :rolleyes:

And a lot of it at that, I rewatched both Zod and Sneeze and skiped every Lexana bit, which left me with about 25 minutes of show (a tad more than half but consider its one couple taking the rest of the airtime.) The focus is to big on Lexana, its not even about i we like it or not, its about the show becoming about it that is troubling. I liked the other parts of the episodes, I like this new Clark not good but on his way to being good (hope he stays like that) and the humor in some scenes (the fake sneeze) its just refreshing to see Clark not pinning about Lana and whether your a Clanaist or not IMO the brooding is irritating.

And if I hear Lana demanding the truth and honesty one more time I will shoot my self:(

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
And if I hear Lana demanding the truth and honesty one more time I will shoot my self:(

It does help take your mind off it.....at least until you run out of AMO. My advice......make each shot count.

[tmkfan]

Final number for Sneeze.....4.5 million viewers

it even went down from 4.6 *hump smiley* we're on the right track this season

[Timester]

Originally posted by tmkfan
Final number for Sneeze.....4.5 million viewers

it even went down from 4.6 *hump smiley* we're on the right track this season

Maybe not, looks at Wither's ratings. :lol: