Lois & Clark?

[khufu]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
Because, Clark's caring for Lois and holding her hand came out of a subconsciousness, he himself wasn't aware that he was showing her this gesture of care, which is why the expressions that followed the hand holding were so befitting and hilarious.Subconscious? I disagree, I think he was fully aware of what he was doing: He grabbed his friend's hand and reassured her that she has people who care about her. WHY is that more than friendship? I keep hearing people say "Oh no, that couldn't possibly be a brother/sister thing", but why? Have you never held the hand of a friend or family member in a critical time to reassure them that you are there for them? I have. I held my mother's hand in the hospital after her hysterectomy, and I held my friend's hand and reassured her in the ER after she had been raped. As you get older you realize that there is a type of emotional bonding with people that is somewhat physical but that is in NO WAY romantic or sexual. And I really feel sorry for someone who's never experienced that.

Furthermore, whenever Clark has the hots for a girl, he's nervous and uneasy. But when he grabbed Lois' hand in the hospital, he was not nervous in the least bit. He was completely at ease because, from his perspective, he wasn't "making a move", he was being a friend. It wasn't until Lois' reaction turned it into something else that he felt wierd because he knew what she was thinking. Now, Lois' reaction makes me think that she may have feelings for Clark, otherwise there would be no need to feel uneasy about it. But I certainly didn't get any sense of romantic affection from Clark's end.

[i love u tom]

i loved it!! i really hope that ollie doesnt stay the whole season.. i wanna see the beginning of clois this season!!! the scene was really cute. clark was just showing her that he was relieved she was alright, and lois took it the "other way." i agree, u can tell she wants him.

[Ghost963]

I agree with everyone. Clark's time whimpering after lost relationships and sniffing at doomed-from-the-start new ones is over. Our boy needs to just accept that fate is stepping in and smile about it :)

And I, personally, couldn't be happier!

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
I enjoyed this scene as well as the Chloe/Clark scene, and both were well written and natural, neither lessens the importance of the other one..

Because, Clark's caring for Lois and holding her hand came out of a subconsciousness, he himself wasn't aware that he was showing her this gesture of care, which is why the expressions that followed the hand holding were so befitting and hilarious.

His reaction to Chloe was that of a surprise, and didn't Chloe surprise us all, look at her expressions in that scene, she is not trying to make Clark jealous at all, she is just at ease with Jimmy, I love Allison in this scene, and no way does it ruin the Clark/Lois moment that happened earlier.

I don't think Clark is desperate to hook up with the first girl he sees. So much is going on in his life, that he doesn't even want to go there. It will just happen for him, without his knowing, just like he held Lois's hand without knowing or thinking...

Sorry for the long post :(

Everyone is in title of their opinion, and IMO it does lessen, I know the hand holding wastn meant to show romantic feelings, just concern, but still it was Like Katarite said, a step in the right direction, thus going towards the Clois, but then next scene he looked like he was hoping he could start something with Chloe thus showing the intend to go the Chloe path thus not the Clois one, so I as a viewer got confused signals, Im not confused but it doesnt mean they didnt send two diferent messages.

I never said that Clark was looking to hook up with the first girl that came his way, just that it is what it looks like. Cause to be honest the hand holding with Lois is a really atypical, strange and new in their relationship so having it didnt just imply a friendship, cause their friendship does not include hand holding, even in tough situations, which they have already been in before. So why the hand holding??? and then have Clark with Chloe looking jealous and disapointed.

I personaly think and I posted it on this thread a days or two ago, I didnt get a dissapointment and jealousy from Clark in the DP with Chimmy, I got more like shocked vibe, but I think TPTB were trying to show jealousy, so my conflict is not with the story but with the way it was handeled. And as much as I would like for it to be otherwise, I got the impresion Clark was on the prawl, even if he wasnt thats the impresion that came out IMO. The only thing they needed to do was have the Chimmy Clark scene in episode 2 and everything would have been more realistic.


Originally posted by Katarite

Lois is Clark's destined love in every version, and I don't think it should be any different on SV. However, I don't think they should have a full blown relationship either. I rekognize SV as an alternate universe beginnings series, like Teen Titans and X-Men: Evolution, so I don't mind the fact that Lois is there early and sort of helping Clark to realize his destiny, but I think that the series should bring them closer and then leave them at a level where they are more than friends, but far from lovers.

Well that leaves one big problem, first in this AU Lois will have to recognize that Superman is Clark, if not then I give up. But the logical thing would be that she does recognize him, leaving a big problem for me if she was not in love with the farm boy first. I always thought of special that Lois got past her crush on the Man of Steel and saw Clark kent as a great man and even decided that she prefered Clark than Superman even with Supermans amazing qualities. She dated Clark and eventually they got engaged with out her knowing he was Superman, then finaly some time before the wedding he confesed, but at least there was absolutely no doubt that Lois fell for the Man and not the suit, but if in SV univers Clark comes back, donns the suit and then Lois falls for him, specially considering how she threated him as a farmboy from hicksville with nothing to offer outside of Smallville and a white picket fence life, it would seem more like she fell for the suit rather than the man, and that she wouldnt have fallen just for plain old Clark.



Originally posted by khufu

Subconscious? I disagree, I think he was fully aware of what he was doing: He grabbed his friend's hand and reassured her that she has people who care about her. WHY is that more than friendship? I keep hearing people say "Oh no, that couldn't possibly be a brother/sister thing", but why? Have you never held the hand of a friend or family member in a critical time to reassure them that you are there for them? I have. I held my mother's hand in the hospital after her hysterectomy, and I held my friend's hand and reassured her in the ER after she had been raped. As you get older you realize that there is a type of emotional bonding with people that is somewhat physical but that is in NO WAY romantic or sexual. And I really feel sorry for someone who's never experienced that.

Furthermore, whenever Clark has the hots for a girl, he's nervous and uneasy. But when he grabbed Lois' hand in the hospital, he was not nervous in the least bit. He was completely at ease because, from his perspective, he wasn't "making a move", he was being a friend. It wasn't until Lois' reaction turned it into something else that he felt wierd because he knew what she was thinking. Now, Lois' reaction makes me think that she may have feelings for Clark, otherwise there would be no need to feel uneasy about it. But I certainly didn't get any sense of romantic affection from Clark's end.

Although you make a convincing point, I still disagree, Clark did subconciously hold her hand, and let me tell you why I saw it that way.

He held her hand, and at first I thought he did it counciously, but then after they show her awkward face, he sort of snaps out and looks down realizing what he was doing and quicly let go, I stress the fact that he also looked down cause if he had been aware he was holding her hand he wouldnt have had to look down and see what was troubling her, he would have instantly known and let go, its like if you holding a girls breast for the first time and she looks at you awkward, do you really need to look down at your hand to know what is making her unconfortable or would you just let go knowing exactly what your doing wrong???. I dont know if you have Tivo or have any means to see that scene again, but if you watch it carefuly and objectively you will notice that it is only after he sees Lois expresion and that she turns her view towards his hand that he looks down to his own hand and realizes he was holding her hand. Plus even if he is a concerned friend, their friendship does not include hand holding, so if he had been completely aware of what he was doing IMO he wouldnt have done it, knowing Lois he wouldnt have risked her being rude or anoyed about it, even less risk having her tease him about the hand holding for years and years to come as she usually does when he lets his guard down.

And if you are a Chlarker, dont worry, at least to me it didnt mean that he has romantic feelings for her, to me it only shows that he cares about her which is far from being the same thing.

[khufu]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Although you make a convincing point, I still disagree, Clark did subconciously hold her hand, and let me tell you why I saw it that way.

He held her hand, and at first I thought he did it counciously, but then after they show her awkward face, he sort of snaps out and looks down realizing what he was doing and quicly let go, I stress the fact that he also looked down cause if he had been aware he was holding her hand he wouldnt have had to look down and see what was troubling her, he would have instantly known and let go, its like if you holding a girls breast for the first time and she looks at you awkward, do you really need to look down at your hand to know what is making her unconfortable or would you just let go knowing exactly what your doing wrong???.
But that's my point, there IS nothing wrong with holding someone's hand, unless you think that they are taking it the wrong way. But that is very different from the example you gave - you can't *innocently* grab a woman's breast. That is always going to be a sexual thing, hand-holding is not. So it's not that he didn't know he was holding her hand, he just wasn't aware of how it was coming across to Lois given their past history. But in any event, as you pointed out it wasn't romantic, which was really my main point.

[un--predictable]

Clois all the way..but not on smallville :(...but im still hopping:D

[HowardFilms]

I doubt they'll date, especially with Ollie coming, the point is, the writers should set up Clark to love Lois even more than Lana, despite Lois' feelings for the rest of the show.


Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
because right now Chloe is the "lois" of Smallville (not to say chlois is going to happen..which I do want lol)

Not at all. I would say, based on comics, and past shows/movies, Chloe is the Lana of Smallville, and Lana is the Lois.

[metropolis]

Hey, I just realized something. The initials for the actress who plays Lois are ED. Heh, geddit? ED? :rotfl:

[Kal-ed]

I know there is nothing wrong, but Lois is not the touchy touchy kind of girl, and specially with Clark, the bane of her life. Im sure the awkwardness had nothing to do with atraction on any side, but more to the fact that she in general doesnt like her personal space invaded.

I see we agree but where I defere from your opinion is in the fact that he didnt unconsiously, not fuled by an attraction, as more to the fact that although they have their banter and pretend not to care about each other, they do, I think they have become friends through out this 2 seasons, and the hand holding only meant that he does care for her, how ever he released her hand cause he didnt consiously hold it and after he realized it he let go cause he felt just as awkward as Lois, cause like I said, its just not the type of friendship they have (stress the word friendship). I can for example see him holding Chloes hand witho out awkwardness on any of the sides. Which brings me to my point, he did grab her hand subconciously, how ever that does not mean he has any romantic feelings for her, at least not yet.

[Katarite]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Well that leaves one big problem, first in this AU Lois will have to recognize that Superman is Clark, if not then I give up. But the logical thing would be that she does recognize him, leaving a big problem for me if she was not in love with the farm boy first. I always thought of special that Lois got past her crush on the Man of Steel and saw Clark kent as a great man and even decided that she prefered Clark than Superman even with Supermans amazing qualities. She dated Clark and eventually they got engaged with out her knowing he was Superman, then finaly some time before the wedding he confesed, but at least there was absolutely no doubt that Lois fell for the Man and not the suit, but if in SV univers Clark comes back, donns the suit and then Lois falls for him, specially considering how she threated him as a farmboy from hicksville with nothing to offer outside of Smallville and a white picket fence life, it would seem more like she fell for the suit rather than the man, and that she wouldnt have fallen just for plain old Clark.


I have considered this problem as well, and I am not sure how the writers are going to fix it. I want them to leave Lois and Clark at a point where the is no doubt that love is possible between the two, but where they havn't taken the first step. At the end of the series I think they should have Clark head off to the Fortress to have his Kryptonian education, and Lois to the DP to realize her destiny. That way, they will be separated for a while (years hopefully), and when Clark comes back fully matured with glasses all she'll really see is the new Clark, and then Superman. I know that when I am away from someone for years and have no pictures of them around me, I can't really remember what they looked like before I saw them again. If there were a long separation, it is possible that Lois might not associate Superman with her old friend. Although, she would probably figure it out a lot sooner than she would have otherwise.

Chloe's knowledge could help keep Lois in the dark in the futre if TPTB allow her character to live :-( . I love Chloe, but I don't think the writers plan on keeping her character around until the end of the series.

[BadToad]

Cause to be honest the hand holding with Lois is a really atypical, strange and new in their relationship so having it didnt just imply a friendship, cause their friendship does not include hand holding, even in tough situations, which they have already been in before. So why the hand holding???

Actually, when you consider the fact that Lois' first reaction to seeing Clark in the S5 opener, "Arrival", was to hug him *and* he didn't act like it was a strange thing, or look at her like she had cooties, he just hugged her back...well, I'm not sure why we jumped back to a point where Clark showing a kind, human, caring gesture towards Lois like holding her hand when she's injured and in the hospital should get the reaction from her it did. I very much like the Clois scene until that point. I would have preferred if they had let the hand-holding stand with nothing more then a lop-sided grin from Lois, and just end the scene on that. Then it would've completed what seemed like a truly heartfelt moment of connection between them. Something that, IMO, they desperately need to have more of for them to be convincing future soulmates.

[All about Clark]

I think the difference between the hug in Arrival and now was because she is developing feelings for him. She made it awkward, it didn't necessarily need to be awkward, and Clark's actions was just relieved of her take on it and happy she is still around and he showed compassion. It was her reaction that made him realize how she perceived it and quickly withdrew.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by HowardFilms

Not at all. I would say, based on comics, and past shows/movies, Chloe is the Lana of Smallville, and Lana is the Lois.

I see Lois more b/c Chloe is all gun-ho about Journalism..is motivated and has "that" drive...also she is sparky and gets herself into trouble a lot...she (on the other hand like "Lana" )has not been his first love or even dated him for that matter, but she is his cofident..also she is not with pete..which I wouldnt mind either:\

But both of our "arguments" are more opinion based and can go either way..so it doesnt really matter

[Katarite]

I agree. Her reaction does indicate the development of some sort of feeling for Clark, but I think her feelings are undefined at this point. Another point that can be made is that Lois has always assumed that Clark was Lana's. Even when they were flirting (way back in season four) there was no risk of anything happening because she assumed he would always be with Lana.

Lois has always known that Clark was a good man, despite all her teasing. She even tells Lana that she would be grateful to end up with a husband as honorable as Clark. Now Lana is out of the picture and she has to face the fact that he is single and posseses the attributes she wants in a future husband.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Katarite
Lois has always known that Clark was a good man, despite all her teasing. She even tells Lana that she would be grateful to end up with a husband as honorable as Clark. Now Lana is out of the picture and she has to face the fact that he is single and posseses the attributes she wants in a future husband.

...even if this means going ahead and stabbing her cousin in the back ?!? Jimmy or not, how could she do that to Chloe...

I voted NO. Never.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Superman_Beyond
Yes it is amazing how people see what they want to see in a scene. There was no brother/sister vibe in that scene.

if lois and clark are like brother and sister then i'm glad me and my brother are as far away from that as possible. one only has to look to exposed and see the clearly lustful look in clarks eye when he watches lois dance to realise that lois and clark have more of an advisarial friends relationship.

[gj430]

I don't think it would be stabbing Chloe in the back but I would think she would worry about Chloe's feeling and make sure she is ok with it first. They do this all them time in the CLois fanfics. Lois starts to have feelings for Clark she unsure at first and clears it with Chloe and then tries to progress things with Clark.
Now when it comes to the hand holding scene itself I thought it waskind of funny. I think that Clark did it kind of without knowing and in a friendship way, but then there was an akwardness from Lois and then Clark because they don't have many of those kind of monents in their friendship. Plus I think there may have been a little underlying attraction in there they they might have been a little freaked about. They are geeting closer as friend and with the way they been with each other the last couple I just think the closeness kind of starteled them for a minute.
Though i don't think they do or will realize there true feelings for awhile I like to see hints of it and the fact that they are getting closer as friends. I also think I will be funny to see how they act around each other when around Ollie.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by BadToad
Actually, when you consider the fact that Lois' first reaction to seeing Clark in the S5 opener, "Arrival", was to hug him *and* he didn't act like it was a strange thing, or look at her like she had cooties, he just hugged her back...well, I'm not sure why we jumped back to a point where Clark showing a kind, human, caring gesture towards Lois like holding her hand when she's injured and in the hospital should get the reaction from her it did. I very much like the Clois scene until that point. I would have preferred if they had let the hand-holding stand with nothing more then a lop-sided grin from Lois, and just end the scene on that. Then it would've completed what seemed like a truly heartfelt moment of connection between them. Something that, IMO, they desperately need to have more of for them to be convincing future soulmates.


Well one thing we have seen in SV is that writters ignore continuity, continously :p. Its like after Clark saved her life a couple of times and he "backed her up" (as far as she knows) in that whole kiddnaping thing in Exposed, it makes no sense that she was so rude to him when they run into eachother at the party made in Clark´s honor by Graham in Fade. Then 1 or 2 epis latter she bakes him 3 cakes, gives him a thoughtful present and delivers to him a heartfelt speach, realy incoherent if you ask me And that is not Lois being bipolar, that´s the writters not respecting character relationship continuity, so that 1 step forward 2 back, has been a constant in Clark´s and Lois´s relationship in SV. And just as a clear example, the last Clois scene was the Harley speach, with a very concerned and nice Lois, and a very greatfull Clark, in the Hospital scene he looked like that moment with them didnt go unnoticed but again, she draws back, hey why not, while Im in the speculation department, maybe its her defence mecanisms kicking in, shutting out any kind of intimacy (not necesarily romantic), maybe thats how we can explain the whole dance in their relationship, when one day shes nice and as soon as they start getting close, she steps back and becomes the mean city girl pickin on the farm boy.

And I get your point but I disagree hand holding is much more intimate than a hug, specially a reallly fast concerned "Im glad ur alive" hug.

Im a Cloiser and that hug had no affect on the way I saw the relationship, it was so friendly and unromantic it really just brushed past me. Usually in Clois moments (like the Tank Dunk, the final scenes from Aqua and Lucy, the Harley speach, etc.) I start speculating as to what it may or may not mean, but that hug was something that came out so mechanical one could say, that I just never got any vibe from it other than friendship.

And maybe her awkward reaction was cause they wanted to show us there´s something more going on, Personaly I think that it doesnt but with TPTB who knows, they have been known for not making sense once in a while, so it could be their way of kickstarting the aleged Cloillie triangle, so it wont seem so much of a lightswitch, really who knows what goes on in their (TPTB) heads.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
...even if this means going ahead and stabbing her cousin in the back ?!? Jimmy or not, how could she do that to Chloe...

I voted NO. Never.
It's not back stabbing when it's something that's meant to be.

[metropolis]

Originally posted by amberdawn
It's not back stabbing when it's something that's meant to be.


Says who? When it comes to the comics and movies, then clois all the way. But Lois shouldn't even be on smallville, as much as I love her character. heh, ED...

[amberdawn]

You wanna play that game huh? Well then, technically, Lex should'nt be on SV either.:p

[myankskent]

Originally posted by amberdawn
You wanna play that game huh? Well then, technically, Lex should'nt be on SV either.:p

Yeah, and Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg and Green Arrow shouldn't be on Smallville as well.

[metropolis]

That's exactly my point. Exactly. A lot of things on this show are out of context with the superman mytos. So tell me, how does that imply that Clark and Lois are meant to be in this series?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by metropolis
That's exactly my point. Exactly. A lot of things on this show are out of context with the superman mytos. So tell me, how does that imply that Clark and Lois are meant to be in this series?

Because regardless of what characters are involved in this show, the mythology stays the same. Clark and Lex will become enemies by the time the series is over. Clark and Lana were in love during Clark's teen years. Clark will become Superman in the future. Clark and Lois will work at the Daily Planet and become lovers in the future.

According to your logic, I can say that Clark and Lex will remain best friends forever instead of becoming enemies. I can say that Clark and Lana will work things out and remain together in the future.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by metropolis
That's exactly my point. Exactly. A lot of things on this show are out of context with the superman mytos. So tell me, how does that imply that Clark and Lois are meant to be in this series?

all the hints the writers have been dropping throughout the series for ex:

lois tells clark in commencement she'd probably end up across from the most bumbling reporter at the paper ie clark

lois to martha in crusade "give me a nerd in glasses any day" ie clark

clark in fanatic "i can't imagine ever loving anyone as much as i love lana." next thing you know lois drives up.

lois tellin martha she "be lucky to end up with a guy like clark"

clark tells lois she'll find a "...super guy"

i mean the list goes on and on and on

[supes0]

Originally posted by amberdawn
You wanna play that game huh? Well then, technically, Lex should'nt be on SV either.:p

Jimmy shouldn't be on SV and Chloe doesn't exist (though DC is mulling over bringing her in to the mythos).

Waid brought Lex to SV in Birthright and in the run up to the infinite crisis there were hints Lex spent brief time there (nothing like what goes on in SV though). Nobody knows if this holds post infinite crisis or not. :p

Pre crisis, Lois showed up in SV as a teen a couple times, just as Lex did.

http://www.comics.org/details.lasso?id=15076


:lol:


Originally posted by metropolis
That's exactly my point. Exactly. A lot of things on this show are out of context with the superman mytos. So tell me, how does that imply that Clark and Lois are meant to be in this series?

Because tptb have already said, they are bound by Superman's future, and Lois is shipper end game.

That doesn't mean he can't take detours on the way. I wondering if the reason they're backing off on Chlark is because of DC and their vague plans with regards to Chloe.

[metropolis]

Originally posted by myankskent
Because regardless of what characters are involved in this show, the mythology stays the same. Clark and Lex will become enemies by the time the series is over. Clark and Lana were in love during Clark's teen years. Clark will become Superman in the future. Clark and Lois will work at the Daily Planet and become lovers in the future.

According to your logic, I can say that Clark and Lex will remain best friends forever instead of becoming enemies. I can say that Clark and Lana will work things out and remain together in the future.

According to my logic, not everything has to be by the book. There wasn't even a freaking meteor shower in the mythology. It was just a ship crashing into a cornfield. But look what the meteor shower did, it set us up for the entire series.

As for your hypothetical scenarios, I believe that in many cases, Clark pretends to be friends with Lex while putting him behind bars as Superman. And the least important aspect of the mythos is who Clark ends up with. But still, all you need to do is look over in the Fanfiction section (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=166) and count the posts. Which one has more? The people have spoken

Actually, look at the results of this poll. It seems the non-Clois shippers outweigh the ones in favor two to one. So there.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by metropolis
According to my logic, not everything has to be by the book. There wasn't even a freaking meteor shower in the mythology. It was just a ship crashing into a cornfield. But look what the meteor shower did, it set us up for the entire series.

As for your hypothetical scenarios, I believe that in many cases, Clark pretends to be friends with Lex while putting him behind bars as Superman. And the least important aspect of the mythos is who Clark ends up with. But still, all you need to do is look over in the Fanfiction section (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=166) and count the posts. Which one has more? The people have spoken

Actually, look at the results of this poll. It seems the non-Clois shippers outweigh the ones in favor two to one. So there.

It doesn't matter if there was a meteor shower or not in the mythology. The endgame is going to be the same. As supes0 just said, TPTB are going to take detours along the way but they have made it clear that Clark will end up with Lois.

And what about these fan fictions? What point are you trying to make there?

EDIT: Again with these online polls. They don't represent an accurate depiction of what all of the viewers want, just a very small percentage of them. And besides, this is a show that already has an ending in TPTB's minds. If this was just a regular show out there being made up as they go along, then maybe I can see TPTB of that particular show going by what certain fans want, but not with Smallville.

[metropolis]

Originally posted by myankskent
It doesn't matter if there was a meteor shower or not in the mythology. The endgame is going to be the same. As supes0 just said, TPTB are going to take detours along the way but they have made it clear that Clark will end up with Lois.

And what about these fan fictions? What point are you trying to make there?


The point I'm trying to make is that people feel deprived of their favorite ships, so they're making up for it by writing their own stories. Guess which one is most popular?

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by metropolis
According to my logic, not everything has to be by the book. There wasn't even a freaking meteor shower in the mythology. It was just a ship crashing into a cornfield. But look what the meteor shower did, it set us up for the entire series.

As for your hypothetical scenarios, I believe that in many cases, Clark pretends to be friends with Lex while putting him behind bars as Superman. And the least important aspect of the mythos is who Clark ends up with. But still, all you need to do is look over in the Fanfiction section (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=166) and count the posts. Which one has more? The people have spoken

Actually, look at the results of this poll. It seems the non-Clois shippers outweigh the ones in favor two to one. So there.

I'm just gonna say- right now- that I'm a Clois shipper. So I'm not totally bias myself. But I'll try to be when regarding your post.

SV does change the mythology around a little, that's true. But I also don't think you can regard the number of fans by fanfiction. Although, I'm pretty sure their are more Chlarkers then Cloisers. That will probably have some deal in the ratings, but I think Al/Miles would rather try to get the audience into Clois through attempts before changing mythology.

[supes0]

but I think Al/Miles would rather try to get the audience into Clois through attempts before changing mythology. [/B]

And even if they wanted to (and I'm sure they wish they could), they have no choice. DC holds the copyright. They've said in numerous interviews, they have to end up at a place which allows Clark to become Superman, a reporter AND ends up married to Lois (even if we don't see it, he might be single at the end with an unrequited crush on Lois).

It doesn't matter if it's popular amongst the SV shippers or not (and I agree, I think Chlark is the most popular) , it's part of DC's lore and they have larger concerns than the SV audience.

[metropolis]

Well, regardless, there is one thing that I will always hold dear no matter what...



I think that associating Lois with the initials ED is hysterically funny. :D

[Ireallylikethisshow]

The actress, or the character written by Al/Miles?

'Cause you could be dissing ED's acting skills

or you could be dissing the character Al/Miles wrote.

????

[metropolis]

Hey don't get me wrong, Erica Durance is awesome. She's put on some great performances on the show, and as I understand it has done some good commentary. I've got nothing against ED as a person, or even against her character. I just think that the opportunity to dump on Lois's character development with Clark is priceless. :lol:

[celita]

Decades of mythology or a not professional survey in a web page, a difficult decision. Already it´s a bit ridiculous that the people believe that the scriptwriters are going to guide by CW's surveys having the information of ratings, extracted of a representative, monitored sample, with a mistake of 5 % and rich in information about the polled one, but believe that they are going to risk THEIR MONEY, the money of their families guiding those who write more fanfics, what do you want that i say to you?. Don´t you think that maybe the cloisers do not write so many fanfics as the Chlarkers because they do not need them?. We have comics, movies, series of television, if we want to enjoy in our fanaticism we do not have to write it, the only thing I have to do is see Lois and Clark again.

[metropolis]

Well, that's part of my point. Every series, comic, etc. that puts Lois and Clark together usually involves the man of steel already sporting the red cape. I'd really like to see a spinoff called Metropolis where things start drifting more in that direction, but for now, lets keep things in context, people.

[celita]

I want metropolis too (with Tom and Erica please), i´m a cloiser but i don´t wanna clois become a couple in Smallville. I want that Clark falls in love with her, and that maybe in the last episodes of the series she stars feeling something for Clark, but at that time Lois goes away to metropolis and Clark start his training in the FOS and when they meet again they both have changed and the feelings that lois had aren´t there anymore, this way she can fall in love with superman first and of Clark later, like canon rulez.

[supes0]

Originally posted by metropolis
but for now, lets keep things in context, people. [/B]

The context is whatever contract DC has with AlMiles. Nobody knows what it is. For whatever reason, they brought in Lois. Was it too muddy the water because of the Superboy lawsuit?


Lew denied a request from Warner Bros. for a ruling that Smallville does not, in fact, infringe upon the Superboy copyrights. Warner Bros. says it “respectfully disagrees” with the ruling, and will pursue an appeal.

Though the ruling may sound impressive, it hinges on the word “may.” Whether or not Smallville does infringe upon the Superboy copyrights still needs to be settled. Well – as settled as these things can be settled, which normally means appeal after appeal after appeal.

The ruling came at the Siegel’s request when they filed for a partial summary judgment, rather than a ruling on copyright infringement, which Lew said in his ruling would call for a “detailed factual comparison.” Lew did agree that there had been enough facts presented to the court to convince it that the lead character in Smallville is, in fact, Superboy.

Warner, as it had done in answering the Seigels’ complaint in late 2004, asserted that the Siegel’s complaint claims infringement on the costumed character of Superboy (which the Siegels claim was created by Jerry), and Smallville does not feature Superboy, but rather a young Clark Kent, which appeared in Superman comics prior to the first publication of Superboy in comics (1944). In making this claim, Warner Bros. said that the use of Clark Kent in Smallville are not subject to the termination of the transfer of copyright filed by the Siegels – even if the court does find the termination to be valid.

http://www.newsarama.com/general/smallville.html

I have no idea if this is playing any part in the direction they're going?

The reality is, DC(owned by WB) is a business, they have other interests to protect. SV is but one small piece in the Superman family.

The Justice League shouldn't be appearing (Flash, Green Arrow, etc) right now. Clark should be the leader not a draftee, all these things they are introducing for whatever reason.

Just like the animated show on the WB changed the name of the show from Superboy and the Legion of Superheros to Superman and the Legion of Superheros. He's obviously a boy, and still lives in Smallville.


At the 2006 Comic Con International in July, the production staff would not officially say whether current legal issues involving the ownership of Superboy had impacted this series, or whether changes were made to tie in with the Superman Returns movie, but one significant change had been made since the original announcements. The original press release[10] said that the Legion landed in the time of "the young Superboy", while the revised press release description (June 2006) said that the Legion retrieved "the young Superman, before he moved to Metropolis". At the conclusion of the pilot episode, young Clark does indeed adopt the Legion "codename" of Superman, and not Superboy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Super_Heroes_(animated_series)

I've been wondering since I heard about this lawsuit, is something similar happening here? Are they going to court to try and convince the judge this is an alternate story of a young superman not boy, before he put on his cape?

All the reasons people bring to bear against Clois (she is in here too early, etc) could protect WB against losing a lot of money.

This of course is all speculation, but the context is, this is a larger story and nobody knows why they are doing what they are doing other than the Lawyers and the producers. :lol:

[AlwaysAround]

Well the point is, she's here now and everyone just needs to be patient with the character because she hasn't had as much time as the others. There is no doubt that they will contiinue to throw in at least some Clois here and there as we go along. I think that's great. I really enjoy Erica's version of the character, she really has been doing a great job given what plots and storys she's had to work with. It's only gonna get better this season though when she becomes a reporter, so we don't have that much longer to wait. Having more Clois is almost guaranteed though. They couldn't possibly resist throwing in more Clois when both Al and Miles are huge fans of the Lois Lane character and even wanted to do a series on her in the first place.

[Ghost963]

Someone who's into the whole Superman story please tell me: Did Lois ever fall for Clark or just for Superman?

[supes0]

Originally posted by Ghost963
Someone who's into the whole Superman story please tell me: Did Lois ever fall for Clark or just for Superman?

Post crisis, which is what Smallville is based on, she had a crush on Superman, got over it and fell in love with Clark.

She and Clark were engaged before he told her the truth.

Here is DC's Official bio on Superman which addresses this:


LOIS LANE As time went by,Clark Kent became a celebrated reporter and fell in love with Lois. She got over her crush on the Man of Steel,realizing what a good catch Clark was. Marriage soon beckoned.

http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/pdfs/superman.pdf

comic timeline:

http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp103.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp88.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp90.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp98.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/comics/relate15.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp108.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp107.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp115.JPG

[thehenry89]

thats why i love lois and clark she loves clark from the beggining but is blinded by her infatuation with superman. thats why it would be cool if they date on smallville no superman for her to drool over she's more likely to see clark for the wonderful if not abismaly stupid man he is.

[SVfan26]

Did the hospital scene between Clark and Lois seem to be kind of out of place, unnecessary and, IDK, extremely awkward to anyone else?? Or did TPTB felt that Erica had to have at least one scene in which she would have a speaking part?

He did show a little concern in making sure she was alright, but other than that... I felt it was more of a scouting trip for him, to see if she either remembered, or knew, anything about the FOS.

And that hand holding scene, and resulting awkwardness, ugh. I felt bad for both Tom and Erica in having to endure filming that.

If there is sposed to be something between them, later on this season or next, what a really clumsy start to that storyline, IMO.

[thehenry89]

no to aforementioned question.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by SVfan26
IMO.

That's the only thing I agree with in your post. :p :)

[SVfan26]

Good thing I added it then.

Again, JMO, but just seemed one of the more awkward moments I've seen while watching Smallville.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I have to say, I agree.
Overall, the Lois character was again pretty disappointing in 'Zod'. They had to add the hospital scene, to point out that from now on we are going to move slowly but steadily towards Clois, I get that. But I also felt that this was kinda out of place. It's amazing that Lois was once again unconscious (this time: literally) for an entire episode.

[All about Clark]

I agree that Clark partly wanted to know what she remembered, but found himself being very compassionate to her.

I thought the scene was just to show they are growing on each other. Clark was softer to her because she got hurt. Ahh, he cares and she was just hiding her feelings by being awkward.

[Kal-ed]

I think that although ratings are important, IMO and I dont think Im far from the truth, is that the shows that chase ratings usually end up jumping the shark, and the most succesfull shows, in the history of TV have been the ones that stay true to themselves and to their story, so I think TPTB have a guideline to follow, and a story and a mythos to uphold, a very succesfull and lasting one I might add, so if they stay true to the Superman story (or at least the basic guideline) its a no miss. Its like having Hamlet script for a movie in you hands, probably a lot of people wont like it (or never liked Hamlet) but if you stay true to the story, you will most probably have a succesfull movie, of course not a box office hit, but in its own league, a very good performance, cause its a solid story.

No need to reinvent Superman, he has been around for dacades, and is a proven story and a solid character along with Lois Lane, Perry White, the Kenst, etc.

ANd one more thing, IMO clarmy and Chlarkers should abstain of quoting canon if they are trying to support their ships and know whats good for them, cause in canon, Clana was not an epic love story, it was a highschool sweethearts kind of thing and it ended when Clark was 17 or 18 dont remember acurately. And Chlarkers, well :/ Chloe does not exisist in canon, so of the girls currently in SV Lois is the most favoured by canon, as is the Clois ship. Its more canon friendly to fast forward on a romance, than coming up with a new one (Chloe), or bringing back from the dead a nother one (Clana).

[Deana]

Yes it was necessary. Clark had been trapped in the Phantom zone, the land of no return. He of course returns and like or not Lois and her are friends so he was going to see her and see if she's okay.

It was as necessary as him going to see his other friends and family.

[metropolis]

Well, I think that it's very wrong to think that the audiance for Smallville doesn't matter. Do you know why this series has lasted...actually, just under six seasons? It's the same reason the ratings started declining halfway through season five. You know what I'm talking about. Yes, I'm a member of the good ship Clana. I'm the captain, actually. :D

[xrayvision]

It reminded me of how she was nice to him when he showed up in the hospital in Arrival last year. But I definitely had a what the hell reaction when I saw that. I expected him to be nicer, but not hold her hand like that.

[Kal-ed]

I sense biased opinions, and really unceseray IMO, just like he checked on Chloe, he checked on Lois, cause he cares about her, not in a romantic way, but he was concerned for her well being. Nothing more and nothing less, Im sure Martha told Clark that Lois had been out of it the whole time and it was Lois not Clark that brought of the subject and also the scene was no more than 1 and a half 2 minutes tops scene, so its not like a lot of the plot and conitnuity of the episode was lost. She is the one that had less airtime in the episode out of the big 7, so give her a break, she gets a tiny bitsy little scene and she gets bombed, cause of a hospital scene?? i can count hundreds of hospital scenes over the 5/6 seasons of SV that could be considered unnecesary. But they have always used it for heart to heart conversations and/or to show who cares about who`s safety.

And well, the unconcious thing, Lana still is the queen of being left unconcious, and Chloe was just up there before she learned the truth about Clark, its the SV cop out as to why people close to Clark he rescues are not aware of hid habilities, just like memory loss comes second in the cop out list. So we cant really blame Lois can we. Hey and for those who dont like ED you should be happy, you only got 1 minute of ED worth a whole episode, that leaves 12 epidodes left in the season that include Lois, so stop complaining and look at the bright side. Im sad cause I like ED and I wish we had more of her in the show in general, although I agree, since she was not involved in the Zod arc directly there was no reason to have her more than they did on that epi.

[Deana]

She was talking about his ice pad/igloo mansion being heaven. How can he not hold her hand? lol, I'm kidding.

[Spirit Detective]

Well, Chloe basically ignored him for Jimmy and Lana is out of the question so I think that it was necessary.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Deana
She was talking about his ice pad/igloo mansion being heaven. How can he not hold her hand? lol, I'm kidding.

number one on a short list of clarkian turn on's love for his giant somewhat tacky ice palace.:lol:

[Kal-ed]

Its not that the audience doesnt matter, cause they do, but you cant compromise your principles, if you are doing a Superman show, Superman story and DC guidelines would be the equivalent of principles in this case, yes you can make modifications but with in limits.

And like I said, and there are pleanty shows out there to prove me right, as soon as a show starts chasing ratins, instead of staying true to their stories is when they end up Jumping the Shark like Happy Days did, a very succesfull show that in desperate times and seeking ratings had Fonzie jumping over a shark while water skiing, which to the fans marked the start of the downfall of the show, I never really saw that show, only a couple of reruns, but this scene was so infamous, that it is now an expresion used when a show derails from its origins just to stay alive.

And the raitings didnt drop cause of Clana end, actually they droped cause the second half of the 5th season had absolutely nothing to offer, I watched it thinking its gona get better, but nope, the better never came and VOID is one of the worst epis in SV series IMO, up there with Ageless and Thirst, except for the scene where Clark runs to Sierra Botija, now that was the most supermanly thing he had done since the missel thing in Hidden.

[AlwaysAround]

You have got to be kidding. The way they were looking at eachother was completely romantic. No brother/sister looks here, in the very least. They were clearly feeling something a good bit more than just caring for one another. The romantic tension was so thick you could cut it with a knife. This season will focus on Clois when GA comes to town and in order for that to be believable they had to show the hospital scene. It was completely necessary to build up to the future episodes this season.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
I think that although ratings are important, IMO and I dont think Im far from the truth, is that the shows that chase ratings usually end up jumping the shark, and the most succesfull shows, in the history of TV have been the ones that stay true to themselves and to their story, so I think TPTB have a guideline to follow, and a story and a mythos to uphold, a very succesfull and lasting one I might add, so if they stay true to the Superman story (or at least the basic guideline) its a no miss. Its like having Hamlet script for a movie in you hands, probably a lot of people wont like it (or never liked Hamlet) but if you stay true to the story, you will most probably have a succesfull movie, of course not a box office hit, but in its own league, a very good performance, cause its a solid story.

No need to reinvent Superman, he has been around for dacades, and is a proven story and a solid character along with Lois Lane, Perry White, the Kenst, etc.

ANd one more thing, IMO clarmy and Chlarkers should abstain of quoting canon if they are trying to support their ships and know whats good for them, cause in canon, Clana was not an epic love story, it was a highschool sweethearts kind of thing and it ended when Clark was 17 or 18 dont remember acurately. And Chlarkers, well :/ Chloe does not exisist in canon, so of the girls currently in SV Lois is the most favoured by canon, as is the Clois ship. Its more canon friendly to fast forward on a romance, than coming up with a new one (Chloe), or bringing back from the dead a nother one (Clana).

Some good points in your post, but the last point about Canon is not totally on the mark. Even if Chloe's new to the Superman world.....what happens between now and when Lois finally ends up at the Daily Planet in Future is fair game. I seem to recall Clark almost got married to someone other than Lois. So let's have some fun with this ride called Smallville, and take it as it comes.....which is not necessarily as Supes Mytholgoy dictates.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Originally posted by CK&CKI seem to recall Clark almost got married to someone other than Lois.

Yes. Lori Lemaris who was Clark's college sweetheart. She seemed like a parapalegic lass but was in truth posing as such to prevent everyone from discovering that she was a mermaid . . .yes that's right . . .a mermaid.

Then the eternal question of "A bird may marry a fish but where would they live?" came up and Clark's proposal was destined for failure.

The comics I don't feel have bearing on this show, since Smallville is the Emperor of the Alternate Universe, except that it serves as a guideline. Much like movies "based" on book, that when you watch the movie have almost nothing in common with the book except the characters.

However to answer another question I spotted earlier (or maybe on another thread, there are about a hundred Clois AND Chlark threads from Zod so it's hard to keep track of them) and in direct relation to what I said above; Since Superman IS a character of said Guidlined Comics he is necessary and this Clark desperately needs him. The suit, the name . . .it's not nearly as important as the character and right now Clark isn't Superman, but he needs to be. For many reasons, but in relation to Clois as well.

The posed question was “Has Lois ever fallen for Clark without Superman?” and the answer is “No” Not once. Whether Superman is the real person and always has Lois’ love, or if Clark is the real person and the Superman disguise serves as a crush and later an eye opener to the real person, it is always Superman that is first and foremost to sweep Lois Lane off her feet . . .literally.

In some comics/mediums Clark is the real person (recent comics and the LnC show) in some comics/mediums Superman is the real person (original comics/movies) but no matter it is always Superman that first gets Lois' attention.

When Clark is the real person Lois STILL notices Superman first and develops a crush on him. (Who wouldn't right?) On LnC where Clark was undoubtedly the real person Lois even told Superman that she was "so in love with him" and had to know if they had a chance. When Clark confronted Lois with the truth that HE had feelings for her, Lois turned him down in a very SV Clark-ish way. "I just don't feel that way" Later on in the series she would realize who Clark moonlit as and grew to fall in love with the real person and not the disguise.

When Superman is the real person, Lois goes from having a girl like crush on him to falling in love with him, and Clark is the disguise that she can spend time with and not have the secret exposed. Like in the movies, where Lois barely notices Clark because he doesn't behave like himself at all and really is a HUGE dork, but is desperately in love with Superman and in the case of Superman Returns even MOVIE SPOILER has a child with him, which (with Superman being the real person) then Superman visit’s the son in full costume while the boy is sleeping./Spoiler

So I still feel , in terms of Clois/Superclois, that Superman must always come before Clark, no matter what the situation. He’s either an eye opener to the real person or IS the real person and is needed for the story to progress.


I'm not sure where the topic of this thread went, and I'm not even sure which Clois thread I'm in but I figured I'd be nice and answer some questions.


Originally posted by Metropolis all you need to do is look over in the Fanfiction section and count the posts. Which one has more? The people have spoken.

Actually Theory fics (in which Chloe is actually Lois and which there are a number of lately) count as Clois stories NOT Chlark stories. Since Chloe isn't Chloe, but is really Lois then it stops being Chlark and becomes an AU (Alternate Universe) Clois fiction.

Triple L has spoken. :p

[Dor el]

I think his visit to the hospital to check on her well being AND to check on what she remembered from the FOS was necessary. I think the hand holding/awkward moment was from out of no where and just plain strange.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Some good points in your post, but the last point about Canon is not totally on the mark. Even if Chloe's new to the Superman world.....what happens between now and when Lois finally ends up at the Daily Planet in Future is fair game. I seem to recall Clark almost got married to someone other than Lois. So let's have some fun with this ride called Smallville, and take it as it comes.....which is not necessarily as Supes Mytholgoy dictates.

I know, im I comic book fan :D but my point was that out of those 3 the one more beneficiated from canon would be Lois. ALthough it would be Lori Lemaris if she were in the show. And one clarification Clark didnt marry Lori they were only engaged, eventually she became one of Lois´s bridesmaides.

And Im here for the ride, Im not the one that wants to uphold canon, I was answering to a post that demanded canon.


Originally posted by AlwaysAround
You have got to be kidding. The way they were looking at eachother was completely romantic. No brother/sister looks here, in the very least. They were clearly feeling something a good bit more than just caring for one another. The romantic tension was so thick you could cut it with a knife. This season will focus on Clois when GA comes to town and in order for that to be believable they had to show the hospital scene. It was completely necessary to build up to the future episodes this season.

Was that directed to me?? cause I never said anything about a Brother/sister vibe, I m against that asumption and have and will never see it. I dont completely agree on the romantic being thick though, I saw that it was a step forward and Lois´s awkward reaction to the hand holding could mean something furhter along.


Originally posted by Dor el
I think his visit to the hospital to check on her well being AND to check on what she remembered from the FOS was necessary. I think the hand holding/awkward moment was from out of no where and just plain strange.

Are you "by any chance" a chlarker??? (no pun intended)

[thehenry89]

the sexual tension in that room with a knife you could cut it ;)

[jimmyolsenblues]

I would love to see double dating clois and chlimmy. asap.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
And the raitings didnt drop cause of Clana end, actually they droped cause the second half of the 5th season had absolutely nothing to offer, I watched it thinking its gona get better, but nope, the better never came and VOID is one of the worst epis in SV series IMO, up there with Ageless and Thirst, except for the scene where Clark runs to Sierra Botija, now that was the most supermanly thing he had done since the missel thing in Hidden.

I don't think Void was that bad. It showed how truly messed up Lana is. It could have been so much better if Clark found Brainiac down there and had a battle where he would have gotten blindsided by him and Brainiac would have escaped. The problem was they showed Fine in the previous episode, but didn't follow up with him in Void. The Void villian was not bad, but they should have made this episode more than just Lana being a junkie. I'm glad we got to see Jonathan.

[ISUZU]

Originally posted by sassy_reporter
Yeah I'm totally for Clark falling for Lois first. However, season 5 was totally like Clark REALLY dislikes lois. He cares about her but he's totally irritated by her. We saw a lot more of Lois being like "I'd be lucky to be with someone like clark" blah blah. However, this seen totally seemed that Lois was like ermm...ew and clark was more like "oh lois" in an affectionate way when she made that face about them holding hands.

Its different though in Smallville and thats where all the exitement comes from. The Clark Kent in the other shows is totally different from the Superman and Lois is in love with Superman. However, in Smallville - Clark is one and the same and therefore if he was to reveal himself to Lois I think they could quite easily hit it off.

[Kal-ed]

Your right, is one thing I like about SV Clois, I know, the 2 person triangle Clark/supes/Lois, I have seen it and read it, several times, why wouldnt I want a new version of that same romance I liked so much. And it is a great oportunity to see a diferent aproach to the same couple, plus a very important thing, is that Lois ignored Clark and focused on Superman at first because, Clark was disguised, he didnt show his true self, even if a girl is not shallow, its hard to fall for a guy that acts kind of goofy. (although post crisis Clark doesnt act as clumsy as the one in the movies, he acts more like a shy person, keeps a low profile as much as possible)

It wasnt untill Clark showed Lois his real self (minus the powers) when she fell for him, and chose him over supes.

So in SV Clark is not yet disguised as a mild mannered reporter, so i dont see why Lois wouldnt fall for him, although he does need to mature first, hopefully he´ll do that this season.

[Katarite]

Originally posted by Kal-ed

So in SV Clark is not yet disguised as a mild mannered reporter, so i dont see why Lois wouldnt fall for him, although he does need to mature first, hopefully he´ll do that this season.

I totally agree with you. There is no reason why Lois wouldn't at the very least begin to find him attractive. Even if they never become involved during Smallville, we need to know that it is possible in the future. In season four the bantering was great, you could see the chemistry between the characters, but in season five (with the exception of a couple of scenes) all they seemed to do was get on each other's nerves. If would could bring a little more of season four into season six and keep moments like the hand-holding scene in Zod their future will at least be more believable.

[Kal-ed]

The thing is whether each one belives in the concept of soulmates or not, in Superman canon, Soulmates exist and Lois and Clark are soulmates, and it is strange for soulmates to be around eachother and not even be the least attracted (we can speculate they do feel attracted but have only been told otherwise).

I thought that with in the soulmate concept, the problem was finding it among the 6 billion souls in this planet, but after you did it all took care of itself, not that the relationship doesnt need work, just that the bond is greater and that they are attached to each other whether they realize it or not. Im not saying they should come to gether in a gust of passion, but maybe a little attraction and stronger feelings towards eachother, probably Clark first, but feelings that neither of them want to feel, and feelings neither of them understand.

[Mischael12]

Lois was never really interested in clark though in the comics it was superman. Clark was attracted to her though, no doubt that will change in smallville.

So i'm not suprised that she thought it was ackward. Lois wasn't really the emotional type anyway character wise.

[supes0]

Originally posted by Mischael12
Lois was never really interested in clark though in the comics it was superman.


Not true. Post crisis (which Smallville is based upon). Lois is engaged to Clark before she finds out he is superman.

Here is DC's Official bio on Superman which addresses this:



LOIS LANE As time went by,Clark Kent became a celebrated reporter and fell in love with Lois. She got over her crush on the Man of Steel,realizing what a good catch Clark was. Marriage soon beckoned.

http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/pdfs/superman.pdf

post crisis comic timeline from first meeting (Clark/Lois not Superman/Lois) to when he tells her who he is:

http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp103.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp88.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp90.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp98.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/comics/relate15.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp108.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp107.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp115.JPG


Originally posted by Mischael12
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So i'm not suprised that she thought it was ackward. Lois wasn't really the emotional type anyway character wise.


MHO, I like Busiek's (current writer of Superman) take on Lois Lane. Excerpt from newsarama.com interview:


NRAMA: Lois & Clark’s relationship – how important is it to the larger picture of Superman? Obviously, it wasn’t something that was there for the first…what…60 years, but now, it’s an unshakable part of the mythos. For you, how did you tackle the idea of a married Superman? It seems like something where cliché is always knocking at the door…

KDB: Does it? I don't really see how it's cliché in a way that, say, the old romantic triangle isn't. I think there's a lot to be had from both setups – and lots and lots of people in the world are married without it being clichés.

I simply assume that Clark and Lois have a strong relationship, and roll from there.

...........................


So they love each other and they play off each other nicely – he's all heart, masking a keen brain, she's all brain, masking a warm heart. She's sarcastic, he's earnest. They both don't quit 'til the job's done. They're fun to write.

[gj430]

yeah she does get engaged with Clark before she knows, but she does have a crush on Superman and denies CLark for awhile. So I wonder if she really was attracted to Clark and denied him for awhile. You got to wonder why though. I think it's just the writers wanted to drag it out. I think thats why it took so long pre-crisis too for Lois and Superman to get together was just tghe writers draging it out. I think it would be weird to be around someone so long and have feelings for them and not get together sooner.
I like post crisis that she falls in love with Clark first even though she had a crush on Superman. I'm 23 and grew up in the 80's post-crisis, I read a few comics here and there, had watched the movies(I know they are pre-crisis, but I saw them when I was little and Like them), and then LnC came along when I was a preteen and I liked it alot and I like S:TAS alot too.
From that stuff and just a general Idea of Superman when I was younger, I always kind of saw Clark as who he was and Supermanas what he did so he could use his powers publicly. So I like the idea of her falling in love with Clark's real personality.

I'm not really sure how they are going to play it in SV Universe because it's a different situation with her knowing him for years as Clark before she sees Superman. So she has a different impersonation of Clark than she would if she meet him about the same time as SUperman and Superman was confident and Clark was introverted. But with SV she already knows Clark is confident and she will get to know him for a long time before Superman comes around.

Know on the one hand in SV Universe it might be better for her to just already know his secret before he becomes Superman. I've always thought the dynamic of her seeing Superman and talking to him and then talking to Clark and not knowing they are same was an important part of the mythos. SO I would just rather that they came up with a good way for her not to know that doesn't involve amnesia or the fact that he is a few years older. Have her not know and interact with Superman and have kind of crush but he stays a little distant as Superman or just have a little romance at first and then have her getting closer to Clark and dating him and then have him tell her.

The complicated part comes in where it's like how do you have her have a romance with Clark on SV and then have her be with Superman first later, because you would wonder why she wouldn't want to just be with Clark again.

Even though I like seeing Lois and Jimmy and others on the show and the idea of having him know them early on. It does complicate things. I think the only way they can make it work is if they come up with a good explaination for her not knowing he is Superman and then a good way of having them dating. I'm just not sure the writers have thought this much about it. And that kind of scares me because if we don't get some kind of rationale explaination, it won't work out and the whole show will have been for nothing. It was suppose to be about him growing up to be Superman and it doesn't have to be exact but I think it should at least jell with most of the important stuff from other versions. Like her not knowing he is Superman when he has the glasses on.

[Mischael12]

yeah i have tendency to type different statments i flipflop alot.

I did forget that she was engaged to clark first, then superman so hey its possible.

I'm going by the movies though, in the movies it was superman that she really loved if i remember correctly.

[supes0]

Originally posted by gj430
yeah she does get engaged with Clark before she knows, but she does have a crush on Superman and denies CLark for awhile. So I wonder if she really was attracted to Clark and denied him for awhile. You got to wonder why though.

Because I think he scared her.

She had a contentious relationship with her dad (he always wanted a boy as his first born, and made no secret about it). Her parents didn't have a great relationship either.

She knew getting involved with somebody like Clark would be serious. They sort of touched on this a little when Clark & Lois were dating.

But, MHO, it's just as important that she falls for Superman, and Superman first, because it illustrates she falls in love with the alien side of him first, and that doesn't scare or concern her. So when she falls in love with Clark, she's fallen in love the total person. She's not settling for one persona over the other.

She loves them both, and like a fairy tale, gets them both.


I think it's just the writers wanted to drag it out. I think thats why it took so long pre-crisis too for Lois and Superman to get together was just tghe writers draging it out. I think it would be weird to be around someone so long and have feelings for them and not get together sooner.

The silver age was strange in so many ways. :lol:

Siegel wanted to change the dynamic back in the 40s. DC wouldn't let him:


Only two years into the development of the character, this story would have ended the love triangle that has been considered fundamental to the Superman legend for 60 years.

This would have been a turning point in super-hero reality. It's not only the simple idea that Superman shared his identity with Lois. It's that Jerry Siegel was taking steps to evolve the archetypal super-hero story beyond the repetitive dramas created by this personal obstacle, which kept the characters' relationship from maturing.

http://superman.ws/k-metal/about-k-metal.php

But, mho, pre-crisis had it's good points. I liked the science fiction aspect and I liked the disguised as Clark Kent, at least in Metropolis. I'm glad to see that make a come back post infinite crisis.




as Clark before she sees Superman. So she has a different impersonation of Clark than she would if she meet him about the same time as SUperman and Superman was confident and Clark was introverted. But with SV she already knows Clark is confident and she will get to know him for a long time before Superman comes around.

I know. It's a problem. I think AlMiles figure that they don't have to worry about it because once SV ends, so does their story.

I think they'll end it by giving us a glimpse of the future without telling us how the characters got there.

I think we'll see mild clois before the series ends, then in the final shot of the finale, they'll all be in their iconic positions. Lois & Clark at the planet,etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if they show them married (some throw away line, or shot of wedding rings) , and he's running out to do his thing as Superman. We see the shirt rip, the S. And end of story, credits roll.

;)


Originally posted by Mischael12
yeah i have tendency to type different statments i flipflop alot.

I did forget that she was engaged to clark first, then superman so hey its possible.

I'm going by the movies though, in the movies it was superman that she really loved if i remember correctly.

Yes, but the movies, including Superman Returns was based on pre crisis Superman. Where Superman was the personality and Clark was the disguise.

Pre-crisis there was Superboy too, and Lana loved Superboy not Clark.

Smallville is based on the post crisis, post Byrne universe.

[Ares]

shes dead to him

[Mischael12]

aah okay then, that makes sense.

[cartman69]

I am sorry to burst most of everyone's bubble here, but there was no moment in that scene. Clark was just informing Lois that he was glad to have her back and when he grabbed her hand and they both noticed it, they reacted in a way that shows us that it was unintentional. There was some awkwardness between them, but no "moment". The only awkwardness that was with them in that scene was, "What was I just doing?"

[All about Clark]

Cartman, you are very right to a degree, yes there wasn't exactly a moment. But what you need to consider is that what caused the awkwardness to begin with. It was very natural for a visitor to a hospital would hold the hand of the injured friend. It was their reactions that showed there was more to it, hidden feelings, because if there wasn't, then there wouldn't be any reason to pull away.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by gj430
yeah she does get engaged with Clark before she knows, but she does have a crush on Superman and denies CLark for awhile. So I wonder if she really was attracted to Clark and denied him for awhile. You got to wonder why though. I think it's just the writers wanted to drag it out. I think thats why it took so long pre-crisis too for Lois and Superman to get together was just tghe writers draging it out. I think it would be weird to be around someone so long and have feelings for them and not get together sooner.
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Well I respectfully disagree, I dont think the dragged it out, from my perspective, Clark has a sort of a disguise, the mild mannered reporter (not the depths of the clumsy CR´s Clark) but he sort of kept on the low, personality wise, and put on a shy facade, and it was only untill he lost that disguise in front of Lois and showed her his true self (minus the powers) that she fell for him, I guess it just took Clark a while to open up to her fully. And on her side Well, supes0 expressed my thoughts clearly, no need to writte them again.

And well on the whole issue, I say its an oportunity to see romantic Clois, from a new perspective and it wont hurt the Mythos cause it is an AU, just like Jason being supes son in SR didnt hurt it either, in comics, Maxima is the only being Clark can have kids with and that still stands, at least as far as I know. So I say, if you dont have a problem with all the modifications from the mythos that have taken place in SV why bother getting all worked up about Clois being ruined, I see it as a posibility to get something new on that ship. I know the mythos I have read it, I know what happens, and how, I dont mind seeing a diferent version of the same romance. If I want canon I go to my book shelf and grab a MOS issue and sit down and read.

[redraven]

I voted, 'Yeah, a little'. Mainly because of the Clois scene and some well made Clois videos on the site.

[RedDwarfette]

Not really, no. The hospital scene for me seemed like a good friend moment which hopefully the writers will develop further.

[metropolis]

Originally posted by redraven
I voted, 'Yeah, a little'. Mainly because of the Clois scene and some well made Clois videos on the site.

I dunno...

[p.he.nix]

Originally posted by RedDwarfette
Not really, no. The hospital scene for me seemed like a good friend moment which hopefully the writers will develop further.

That is what I thought too. I didn't see anything romantic about it.

[Kal-ed]

Of course it wasnt romantic, I didnt see anything romantic about it and Im a Cloiser, but the awkwardness ist to be noted, I mean, we know they are friends, they have said so themselves, and although the have their banters, when things get rought they are both there to suport the other and have been shown to care about each other (she baked him 3 cakes and gave him a thoughtfull gift, he showed concern when she was upset in Lucy, they huged in Arrival) so we know they are friends, and the awkward tension when he held her hand implies that there is something more going on, call it a lightswitch if you will, but its something to be taken in consideration. Why did they react like that, if they are friends, and after almos loosing her life, him holding her hand and saying " Im glad you came back" isnt a big deal, but her reaction points to it being a big deal.

I wouldnt hessitate to hold any of my girl friends´s hands, at all and neither would they mind if I did, but if there is something lying beneath then the hand holding goes to a whole new level and could become an awkward moment.

[p.he.nix]

^ I was just commenting that I didn't think it was romantic as in Clark is feeling something. I am Lois fan but not a Cloiser there was awkwardness I admit because of Lois being weirded out.

I don't think Lois has problem with hugging people. In Gone, she hugged Clark after a short time of knowing him just so she could tell him about looking into Chloe's "death" without the Kents overhearing. Hand holding for Lois, probably is more than a light hug. As someone said previously, she isn't a touchy-feely type of person.

[Kal-ed]

Im not saying ther is something, Im just saying that ther might, even if she is not the touchy kind, and we know she isnt, I find it hard to belive that due to the circumstances she wouldnt let an innocent hand holding from a friend slip, I mean its not like Clark is gona go around holding her hand, she knew it was cause he was concerned, and the fact that she didnt let it slip gave the hand holding a lot more importance.

[p.he.nix]

^Sorry about misunderstanding. :o

I will reluctantly admit there might be something going on. :p Wait to see how the rest of the season plays out.

[Rosa76]

I voted - A little bit, It was a cute scene though.:rolleyes:

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by p.he.nix
^Sorry about misunderstanding. :o

I will reluctantly admit there might be something going on. :p Wait to see how the rest of the season plays out.


:D

Exactly the best thing is to just wait and see how the season goes, no use in speculating if none of it comes true

[Mrs Kent]

I'm glad that Lana has moved on and that we are seeing hints of a future Lois and Clark hook-up. I'm sure this season is going to blow us all away!!!

[KristinIsAwesome]

Ill be honest the first 3 eps were nothign special to me.. I taped the 4th Ill be watchin that tomorrow... hopefully it picks up alittle more.. I still love the show and Im pretty sure its gonna get reall good by like.. ep 6 or 7

[Liberty_CT]

Are you kidding!!!! ? Enough with Lana give us some Clois NOW!!!!

[RedKryptonClark]

I just finally saw this scene and have to say that I just loved how both Tom and Erica pulled off the hand holding scene.

Lois was so confused and Clark was highly grateful and HAPPY to see that Lois was fine.

I think he liked that Lois managed to try to find a rational reason behind her weird experience and seemed alright with it.

The hand hold and Clark's quick aversion of his eyes was adorable. I love how the writers of this show give us snippets of things to come. I prefer in some ways to have Clark and Lois dance around each other for a few years and ultimately realize that over that time that a deep and wonderful bond exists between them.

Clark is the master of saying one thing but his body/face says another thing when it comes to Lois.

Since Clark and Lois don't think of each other in a romantic way (subconscious feelings aside) they're much freer to be completely honest w/ each other. That deep trust will be the foundation for them to become the great couple in the future.

[DeeperWell]

Originally posted by RedKryptonClark
I just finally saw this scene and have to say that I just loved how both Tom and Erica pulled off the hand holding scene.

Lois was so confused and Clark was highly grateful and HAPPY to see that Lois was fine.

I think he liked that Lois managed to try to find a rational reason behind her weird experience and seemed alright with it.

The hand hold and Clark's quick aversion of his eyes was adorable. I love how the writers of this show give us snippets of things to come. I prefer in some ways to have Clark and Lois dance around each other for a few years and ultimately realize that over that time that a deep and wonderful bond exists between them.

Clark is the master of saying one thing but his body/face says another thing when it comes to Lois.

Since Clark and Lois don't think of each other in a romantic way (subconscious feelings aside) they're much freer to be completely honest w/ each other. That deep trust will be the foundation for them to become the great couple in the future.


Agreed, I thought it was sweet. I loved Lois's confused 'hmm somethings not right here' expression! lol. :lol:

[krusta80]

I hate to be the dork of the group, but there really never is a Clois in the movies...it's Supois of whatever.

My point is that Lois and Clark are never anything more than friends in the movies (and I'm guessing also the comics), so we really should never see Clois.

The closest thing to Clois would probably be Clark falling for her and it never being reciprocated.

[RedKryptonClark]

Uh Lois MARRIES Clark in the comics and ultimately accepts/loves him for both of his sides.

I can probably speak for most of us that we're not expecting anything romantic between Clois - we're happy w/ hints for the future. The time has arrived though for Clark to start pining for Lois and move away from his childhood crushes. If they don't do that soon people aren't going to believe that he would ever pine for Lois Lane later after he's done with Training.

Luckily for us - the writers do seem to be moving things forward. That's what we're most excited about :)

[krusta80]

Wow...quick reply!

I hope I didn't come off as a Clois hater or anything...I love everything Superman trust me! :)

I just thought it was funny cause as far as I knew (from the movies, etc), Clark and Lois were never an item, but I stand corrected a la comics.

Either way, I'm loving every bit of foreshadowing crammed into Smallville. Not that anyone cares, but I just finished Zod last night. I started the series shortly after Christmas (dvd sets made nice presents), and I'm happy to finally contribute to the forum!

Hopefully be live for next week's show.

[RedKryptonClark]

Woohoo! Another newbie SVer! I just started watching beginning of December :) Welcome about the 'ship from hell show :)

[kiariclois]

I want Clois!! I'll wait for it to actually happen!! Even if it takes forever... :D

[genvillewars92]

yay! clois

[Mach2Infinity]

It was clearly a nod to a future romance, but it won't happen on Smallville's run; nor should it. Otherwise it'll play hell with the continuity and go against what Gough has stated about eventually melding Smallville with the known Superman mythos.

Obviously I think Clark will be the one falling for Lois then eventually Lois will reciprocate his feelings.

[genvillewars92]

after this episode i knew it was going to be a good seson of clois :)

[DivineDreamer]

For heavens sake, give us Clois!

[LoveHurts38]

It was a great foreshadow....but, don't go to fast on Lois and Clark!!!

[KryptoFreak17]

They are so meant to be! When he held her hand it was so cute.. and there definatly was a connection there.. and then they shot back to "wait. what am I doing?" i think that they will rethink their feelings for eachother though!! ;)