THE phantoms WENT TOO!!

[Kalel x2x2]

Uh oh =O

[superboy_2006]

Yeppie

[TrevorH]

3 of them, not phantoms but "the others" future justice league.

[i luv tom welling]

We still haven't come back to this yet. I guess that leaves something for future episodes... but you'd think that the baddies would want to get a head start on taking over Earth?

[krewsaider]

There were three phantom things that escaped, plus Raya.

[MidgardDragon]

And we saw one of them at the end fly towards the camera, presumably headed to Smallville.

[muffinpeddler]

AWESOME! This opens up so many possibilities! (Plus the phantoms are kickass!)

[jimmyolsenblues]

very cool something came through. good writing!!!!!

[Kalel33076]

The Phantoms are kryptonians and other creatures without bodies, so why couldn't Zod come out like that

[sstray72]

Did Zod go back to the PZ or is he floating around like the others?

[muffinpeddler]

Originally posted by Kalel33076
The Phantoms are kryptonians and other creatures without bodies, so why couldn't Zod come out like that

I'm thinking it's because Clark wasn't in the PZ. So he couldn't exit through the portal. He could only escape into a body.


Originally posted by sstray72
Did Zod go back to the PZ or is he floating around like the others?

Personally, I think he's stuck in the crystal, but I'd prefer him as a phantom!

[STFanatic]

We will get Clark chasing phantoms all season now.

[sstray72]

Hmmm... Maybe the Ghostbusters will make an appearance this season? Who you gonna call Clark?

*rimshot*

:p

[Bigsullystyle]

It looks like about 7 lights went to earth and that mean some serious carnage this season can't wait!

www.boxofficebrewery.com

[MBCorp]

I'm actually really interested to see where this storyline goes.

[kryptofreak662]

Raya could possibly be the "super girl" of the series. although i always keep thinking some is super girl, when jorrel takes over that girl to pretend to be a kryptonian but really the it was meteors that affected her, then when martha was pregnet frum the ship i thought maybe it would be super girl when it was born it have clarks abilities, but now we'll never know if it would of had abilities or not

[Routh]

Apparently, the corporeal bodies of all prisoners sent to the Phantom Zone are destroyed. Clark, Raya, and a number of other phantoms escaped. My guess is that, like Zod, these phantoms must also find human vessels to inhabit. I'll need to rewatch my tape to see how many phantoms escaped.

[Uffr]

Yeah I wanna see this play out too.

[superboy_2006]

there were 7 kryptonians who got out of PZ.

Raya, Clark, and another 5 phantoms (Batista is one of them, and Bow Wow is also one of them too.)

[warriorrenegade]

7 man I really need to go back and look I only counted 3. I don't think all were Phantoms. I think some were actually kryptonians. Namek was one and so was Raya. They would be dead right ...NO. They weren't completely dead in the PZ . Namek had his throat cut and was bleeding out and Raya was stabbed. When they land on earth they'll heal up with some cool scars. Of course they'll lay low for awhile and blend in then they'll seek revenge on Kal-El. But we know Kal-EL will have some back up enter the JL.

[RedKalEL]

i think the phantoms might be the new freaks of the week

[LexLuv180]

I'm pleased with the phantoms being released, should be interesting. I really don't want a super girl. Another kryptonian hanging around for awhile would be cool, but I enjoy having Clark being the more powerful. A supergirl would just mellow him down.

[freddielm]

Maybe this will tie in with the Justice League?

[Routh]

The "phantoms" as we've effectively named them, are simply the essences of the (destroyed) corporeal bodies of Phantom Zone criminals.

Basically, before Jor-El sent them all through, he destroyed their physical bodies and sent in their "phantoms". Much like Zod needed Lex, these phantoms will also need to find human vessels to inhabit.

Though Nam-Ek and Raya were wounded, once they arrived back on Earth, their wounds would immediately heal like Clark's did. They should be back.

[freddielm]

That means more super fights!

[superboy_2006]

Originally posted by warriorrenegade
7 man I really need to go back and look I only counted 3.

If you tape it, then paused it when they actually escaped and look closely where you could see the white orbs on the sky and Clark's orb came toward you but before that, look closely.


Originally posted by freddielm
Maybe this will tie in with the Justice League?

I think so. That's the one of the possiblilty.

It's really good. Now Clark had to chase and get the Phantoms back to PZ.

[AlphaSigmaOne]

He will need to learn how to make the bracelets.

[boywithbluehanger]

So the Superfriends vs the Legion of Doom!! :lol:

[superboy_2006]

Originally posted by AlphaSigmaOne
He will need to learn how to make the bracelets.

Oh well. Now I'm wondering how will Clark get them back to PZ unless he can get a good copy of bracelets. :D

[xrayvision]

The phantoms suck. They are a rip-off of the demons walking amongst Sam & Dean. They look too damn fake too. Why can't they leave this trash alone and start having Clark clash with Lex (without Lex knowing it's him)? There are so many better things they can do instead of this garbage.

[JTKB44]

Originally posted by krewsaider
There were three phantom things that escaped, plus Raya. 3? YOU CRAZY IT WAS 6, 7 INCLUDING CLARK.


Originally posted by warriorrenegade
7 man I really need to go back and look I only counted 3. I don't think all were Phantoms. I think some were actually kryptonians. Namek was one and so was Raya. They would be dead right ...NO. They weren't completely dead in the PZ . Namek had his throat cut and was bleeding out and Raya was stabbed. When they land on earth they'll heal up with some cool scars. Of course they'll lay low for awhile and blend in then they'll seek revenge on Kal-El. But we know Kal-EL will have some back up enter the JL.
I CAN SEE EPISODE 11 NOW CLARK, FLASH, AQUAMAN, CYBORB, DARK AVENGER, AND GREEN ARROW FIGHTING THE PHANTOMS WHAT A COOL EPISODE I HOPE IT HAPPENS LIKE THAT. WHAT YOU GUYS THINK?

[xrayvision]

Not for me. I want to see something else that belongs on the show not phantoms. This show should be renamed the Phantom Zone Menace if this is what they're going to do.

[sstray72]

Originally posted by sstray72
Did Zod go back to the PZ or is he floating around like the others?

Maybe I should start watching the episode and I'll end up less confused. :p

[commencement_rox]

i think this is a great idea and i think it would be really cool if the phantoms inhabited bodies. one of the bodies will be batista im guessin and the other bow wow like someone said earlier in this thread. clark is going to have to find this out to so i think this will be a great thread which will help clark mature.

[gj430]

i don't want them to inhabit other people because that would defeat all the go around to get Zod in lex.

Does anyone know if maybe there are aome Phantoms that got out and some Corporeal PZ Criminals. Do you think Bastita is a Corporal PZ Criminal. Also if the phantoms stay Phantoms how will Clark fight them .

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The phantoms suck. They are a rip-off of the demons walking amongst Sam & Dean. They look too damn fake too. Why can't they leave this trash alone and start having Clark clash with Lex (without Lex knowing it's him)? There are so many better things they can do instead of this garbage.

The Phantoms rock. They maybe a "rip-off" but its a good rip-off. :D

Of course they look fake its CGI it always looks fake. Besides what do you expect from SV's budget:lol:

Clark already does this, seems to be the running mantra of this show.

Also you're right there is a whole lot more they could do. This is a start. Clark has to reboot the FOS. Learn of the escapee's and recieve training from Jor-EL on how to defeat certian(alien) ones. Thats my theory on how its going to go down.:D

[glitchbit]

realism of the phantoms would have gone up by 10 points if they would have made them smokier and griddier, we all know that is how real phantoms look.

[PKII]

6 other people escaped the PZ Clark is gonna have fun cleaning up. :lol:

[xrayvision]

I just don't think pulling out Kryptonian villians will help in training him when the battles last for only a few minutes, and especially when he doesn't know how to fight them.

That is why I would rather see him fight a part of himself as the main focus of the season along with Lex, and other typical non freak baddies. He has so very far to go. He hasn't even matured on his journalist career. I don't think pulling out new villians (phantoms) is a smart idea. I would so much rather see him fight guys from Level 33.1 (more traditional comic book type villians) and fight his alter ego, which would force him to learn about his strengths and weaknesses and how to best use his powers to beat Kryptonians when fighting them. Phantoms aren't going to cut it for me. I'm guessing the phantoms will be the witch arc of S6. It's just too far from the type of stuff this show has done (last time they stepped away from their norm, the fiasco that is Tomb was made).

The plot of season 3 worked & worked well. They should adapt it to Lex as the new/future MB who is blackmailing Lana not to leave him and stepping closer to darkness with every new action.

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I just don't think pulling out Kryptonian villians will help in training him when the battles last for only a few minutes, and especially when he doesn't know how to fight them.

That is why I would rather see him fight a part of himself as the main focus of the season along with Lex, and other typical non freak baddies. He has so very far to go. He hasn't even matured on his journalist career. I don't think pulling out new villians (phantoms) is a smart idea. I would so much rather see him fight guys from Level 33.1 (more traditional comic book type villians) and fight his alter ego, which would force him to learn about his strengths and weaknesses and how to best use his powers to beat Kryptonians when fighting them. Phantoms aren't going to cut it for me. I'm guessing the phantoms will be the witch arc of S6. It's just too far from the type of stuff this show has done (last time they stepped away from their norm, the fiasco that is Tomb was made).

The plot of season 3 worked & worked well. They should adapt it to Lex as the new/future MB who is blackmailing Lana not to leave him and stepping closer to darkness with every new action.

Thats where the FOS comes into play. He could learn from Jor-EL on how to defeat them. Being that Jor-EL was the main culprit in putting them there. Besides they're not all kryptonian, Clarks got any number of them that are from the known 28 galaxies to deal with. I like your idea of Clark fighting his alter-ego. That would be cool for sure. Him learining his weaknesses and strengths, but couldn't he do that with the escapees aswell? Or they could just combine the two.

[glitchbit]

Who knows maybe one of the phantoms will pull his alter ego out of himself?

[chlarkfan333]

Originally posted by PKII
6 other people escaped the PZ Clark is gonna have fun cleaning up. :lol:

Yeah, if we are to believe that each orb racing toward the earth was an individual, that means 6 phantoms have arrived. There were six orbs around Clark's (two on either side, and two behind).

[gj430]

I think it might be 5 phantoms, raya and Clark. I hope at least acouple of them are Corporeal PZ Villians.

[krpto]

Am I the only one who thinks that the phantoms that attacked clark look nothing like the creature at the end. What if the creature at the end is just some kryptonian animal that was in the Phantom Zone for what ever reason and that the phantoms are still trapped in the zone and that clark, raya, nam-ek and athyr are the only kryptonians to expace I only saw 5 white orbs.

Bow wow, and Bastilla are not 100% known to be playing kryptonians.

[JTKB44]

WELL WE KNOW THAT CLARK, RAYA, AND NAM-EK ARE NOT PHANTOMS LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

[krpto]

I would watch it again but my dvr is messed up and didn't record it for some reason.

[JTKB44]

Originally posted by krpto
I would watch it again but my dvr is messed up and didn't record it for some reason.
OH THAT SUCKS MAN I FEEL YOUR PAIN. :(

[RedBullet]

I loved the Phantoms, it steps away from what Smallville has done in the past. Does anyone have any pics of them?....

Will Clark have to fight the phantoms or do you think they will find host bodies?

Well...there were 7 orbs. Clark(1),Raya(2),Nam-ek(3),Aethyr (4)Phantom/Creature

That means there are still 3 more baddies out there. Some PZ villians and couple more phantoms

Clark can't do it on his own....(Aquaman,Flash,Green Arrow)

They sure beat fotw anyday.

[JTKB44]

Originally posted by RedBullet
I loved the Phantoms, it steps away from what Smallville has done in the past. Does anyone have any pics of them?....

Will Clark have to fight the phantoms or do you think they will find host bodies?

There are 6 heroes( Clark,Flash,Green Arrow,Cyborg and Angel of Vengeance )and 6 phantoms to face off.

They sure beat fotw anyday.

THANK YOU ANOTHER PERSON THAT THINKS LIKE ME EPISODE 11 JUSTICE IS GOING TO BE THAT I BET YOU OR SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THAT IM CROSSING MY FINGER.

[Friendslayer]

Originally posted by freddielm
That means more super fights!

Yeah if they have the recipe that braniac used on lex so that he could have super powers.
they probaby dont know that so no powers for them:S
clark should have no problem beating up the phantoms that has new bodies because they shold just be humans.
But if namek survived the thoatcut he and aeyther should be more of a challenge.

[krpto]

The Phantoms that attacked clark looked like black spirits the creature at the end looked (to me) like it had more of a physical body like it was some kind of kryptonian dinosaur/monster thing.

I say the phantoms are still trapped in the PZ and that the creature is that we saw at the end in just a monster that will start attacking places all over the world but be drawn toward smallville because of the fotw that it can feed on I mean the fotw have to have some kind of genetic thing that be disposes them to become freaks in the first place that the creature could fell.

[xrayvision]

I thought they were gargoyles and goblins. I was somewhat disgusted when I saw that, as I don't think they have any place in Smallville (or any Superman story/show) if you ask me.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
And we saw one of them at the end fly towards the camera, presumably headed to Smallville. Yet I counted 7 (including Clarks) balls of fire coming from the Sky when he came out of the Phantom Zone. Reckon they're just leaving it as open as they can?


Originally posted by xrayvision
Not for me. I want to see something else that belongs on the show not phantoms. This show should be renamed the Phantom Zone Menace if this is what they're going to do. Why does everyone always say "they should rename this show...". If it goes to metroplois they should change the name, if he's hunting demons that escaped they should change the name, etc.

Under that rationale shouldn't they have called it the Meteor Freak Menace for the first 5 seasons?

[Carnagefan88]

Originally posted by krewsaider
There were three phantom things that escaped, plus Raya.

It was six Raya, Aethyr clark plus 3 others not Sure if Nam-Ek was one of them do you think so

[krpto]

I personally think the creature at the end wasn't a phantom The phatoms looked like spirits the creature at the end looked like some kind of alien animal with a corporial body. I think clark, Raya, Nam-ek, atheyr, Bow wow, Bastilla, and an animal not a phantom excaped the PZ. Until I see proof that the creature seen at the end was a phantom spirit and not just some wild alien creature I am gonna asume that the Phatoms are all still in the PZ and that clark has to fight nam-ek, atheyr, the other Criminals, this creature whatever it is(I don't beleave its a phantom) and possibly Raya.

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by Kalel33076
The Phantoms are kryptonians and other creatures without bodies, so why couldn't Zod come out like that

Because they never had someone from the House of El to open the PZ's backdoor before.

Namek tried to suck Clark into the PZ in Season 5's opener for this very reason. But they failed.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by warriorrenegade
Thats where the FOS comes into play. He could learn from Jor-EL on how to defeat them. Being that Jor-EL was the main culprit in putting them there. Besides they're not all kryptonian, Clarks got any number of them that are from the known 28 galaxies to deal with. I like your idea of Clark fighting his alter-ego. That would be cool for sure. Him learining his weaknesses and strengths, but couldn't he do that with the escapees aswell? Or they could just combine the two.

I want to see him battling his alter ego for these reasons:

1. It would give him a superior enemy to fight all season long. It would have been better if they would have been allies in "Zod" where they would fight Zod & Brainiac and would agree to battle it out once those 2 threats are eliminated, but it's too late for that. But Clark fighting against himself would give him the best insight on his powers. Getting his ass kicked by Kal-El would help him know what to do & what to avoid, especially if he trains with Jor-El. He would have to find a way to beat him even though Kal-El would have flight and Clark wouldn't. A total of 5 battles, where they draw the 4th and Clark finally wins the 5th (which would take place in the season 6 finale and end in the S7 opener) would take place. He would gain superbreath in the midst of the battles and add that to his arsenal. Once Clark beats his alter ego, he gains his final power--Flight.

2. By having scenes with Kal-El flying around and unleashing his form of justice on Metropolis & the world (when not battling Clark), we would be given a duality (or a parallel) like Smallville is classic for. We could see Clark's justice on 1 side & Kal-El's ruthless justice on the other (who wouldn't stop at seriously hurting villians). This would stress the importance of how Superman as a hero and his values are not pure alien but are a hybrid of his Earthly upbringing and his Kryptonian powers and the love Jor-El has for Earth (seen by passing his teachings to Clark). And we would ultimately see that by beating Kal-El, Clark would combine & overcome the both sides of his roots. This is a great way to have Clark progress to his destiny.

3. By having the 2 of them around, Lex can see them both at the same time (where Kal-El is using his powers and Clark is not). This would allow Lex to disambiguate the 2 and trick him into thinking that Kal-El is the only alien (they can do this if they have Kal-El flying at a distance and perhaps wearing shades where Lex can't make out his face but would notice how his size and shape are similar to that of Clark but isn't Clark since Clark would be standing next to him). Maybe they can even do something to re-create an illusion of Clark's ship so that Lex thinks Kal-El is not only an alien presence as Fine suggested to him in Hypnotic, but is one who has been here since the 1st meteor shower. Having Lois witness him flying around could also be the thing that makes Lois seperate Clark from Superman in the future, and could also be a good way to get her interested in journalism.

4. This would also give Clark something to do during the season. I still think he should interact with other characters, but this should take up most of his time. I would like to see him eventually helping out Lana if they would have Lex blackmail her once he notices her wanting to leave him. A blackmail storyline with Genevieve's murder would be so much more interesting and be a great way to have Lex's progression into becoming an MB himself. And it would create a great opportunity to re-introduce Pete by making him Lex's political sidekick/advisor, who would also be an insider and help Lana by doing the main part of getting her out of the blackmail since he has connections. It would also allow him to privately interface with Chloe and Clark on his findings, and set up the Lana-Pete 'ship that is in the future (after all the boyfriends she would have had, he would be the one proving to be the best for her & most stable). It would make total sense and give all the characters something to do.

5. The fights. I would love to see Clark & Kal-El taking huge bumps and smashing each other through caves, mountains, streets, buildings, etc---something that will drastically increase Clark's tolerance for pain induced by a fight with another Kryptonian.

The main thing is the amount of money all this will cost. I wonder if they can afford it.

[glitchbit]

budget is yes one factor, but so is the movie feature. If there are any plans for a superman sequel it may put a damper on things if they are too similiar.

Also I think Nintendo should give them a Wii with Mario's Galaxy so we might see a smallville inspiration revolution! j/k

[omegadirective]

Why do some of you think Raya survived? She was obviously stabbed by one of hte masked people; there's a shot of her screaming in pain. Besides, she was too far from the Teleport Pad to be beamed away even if she wasn't dead.

[Timester]

All I have to say, Season 6 Big Bad is probably one of the Phantoms. Remember my words.


Originally posted by omegadirective
Why do some of you think Raya survived? She was obviously stabbed by one of hte masked people; there's a shot of her screaming in pain. Besides, she was too far from the Teleport Pad to be beamed away even if she wasn't dead.

They are talking about spoilers (actually, this thread is full of spoilers).