Errors: Glaring and Miniscule

[chlarkfan333]

Here's where you can b**** and moan about or simply point out various plot-holes/errors etc. in 'Zod.'

Kryptonian-Ronin pointed out on another thread that Zod in Lex's body should not be able to fly. Is that an egregious error or are they just taking some creative liberties here?

[superhippie2000]

well if he can superspeed and has stregnth then why not fly.

[TrevorH]

Originally posted by superhippie2000
well if he can superspeed and has stregnth then why not fly.
when he goes to Clark to say Kneel before Zod he flys in but sinc ehe is Zod he should havew that power, I mean look at Clarks father he gave people the power to fly including Kal-el

[chlarkfan333]

Here what K-R had to say in the other thread.


I still don't get how ( IF) LexZod flies.

I mean, he is NOT kryptonian, just spirit inhabiting a human body that has been jacked up on Braniac Juice.

If Braniac coudln't fly, how can LexZod ??


Personally, it seems like preparing Lex to be a vessel for Zod includes preparing him with superpowers, else how would he (Zod) conquer the world?

[superhippie2000]

Originally posted by TrevorH
when he goes to Clark to say Kneel before Zod he flys in but sinc ehe is Zod he should havew that power, I mean look at Clarks father he gave people the power to fly including Kal-el


i just commented on that person saying how he can or cant fly. i just ment that if he got those other powers then flying would be realistic.


Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Here what K-R had to say in the other thread.



Personally, it seems like preparing Lex to be a vessel for Zod includes preparing him with superpowers, else how would he (Zod) conquer the world?



ya i agree.


plus when he said brainiac cant fly they never said he cant they just didnt put it in the plotline and probably didnt have the budget to make him fly.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Here's where you can b**** and moan about or simply point out various plot-holes/errors etc. in 'Zod.'

Kryptonian-Ronin pointed out on another thread that Zod in Lex's body should not be able to fly. Is that an egregious error or are they just taking some creative liberties here?


Zod is kryptonian. He can fly...

[schroepandchloe]

Zod has and always will embrace his kryptonian lineage

Remember is Season 4 when Doctor Swan's assistant said that to martha kent

[Ticket2theMoon]

And Kara, the bodysnatched Kryptonian at the end of season 3, could fly.

[kryptofreak662]

she wasn't a kryptonian she was sum one affected by the meteor rocks becuz kryptonians can't make things issolve in mid air like she did

[s-caper]

Regarding Errors:

Did you notice Martha's scar changed sides of her forehead in the barn at the end when Clark first shows up? It's on the left, then the right, then the left again (or vice versa).

[kryptofreak662]

In an episode where lex finds out clarks powers but evntually loses his memory like he always duz he shoots clark with a gun that shoots really fast ic ouldn't tell yuw hat type of gun it was but it shot so fast and he was so close that it did hit clark. Latre on in the episode when lex forgets about his days happenings. Martha is putting ice on clarks wounds and she says and i quote "I can't believe every single one of tehse bruises is a bullet shot" meaning that the gun obviously hurt him so he's not invincibal he gets bruised by gun shots up close so...there ya go

[F-Stop Blues]

I dont care how much adrenaline Lana has pumping through her veins. She cannot pull a pipe or whatever out of her hand and not pass out. Thats ludicrous.

[k18]

If you can't stand the sight of blood, then you could pass out. otherwise, I could believe lana not passing out.

[ma200]

At the end, Martha said that she wished Jor-el was never a part of their lives (or somethin' to that extent). Clark responded by saying that if it weren't for Jor-el and Raya, he'd be dead. Then Martha said every world needs its heroes.....:confused:

[Zod in my pocket]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
I dont care how much adrenaline Lana has pumping through her veins. She cannot pull a pipe or whatever out of her hand and not pass out. Thats ludicrous.

have YOU ever pulled a pipe out of your hand?? do you know that for a fact??

I thought Lana's "skewered hand" looked ridiculously bad, even for a stunt prop

[Red K 5]

when Raya and Clark was talking the close captioning says 'Krypton was destroyed years ago' but Clark didn't say that


Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
I dont care how much adrenaline Lana has pumping through her veins. She cannot pull a pipe or whatever out of her hand and not pass out. Thats ludicrous.
but Electra did the same thing in Daredevil when she was fighting Bullseye

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

I'd like to focus on the good things of this episode, but there was one thing....


when Chloe is hugging Clark she has nothing in her hands, then the next frame she has some papers in her hands


other than that I thought the ep was really good =)

[Leviathan]

Overiding tone that I don't like...

All these people meeting/seeing Clark without his glasses on. I don't care how many years pass to him finally becoming Superman, anyone that knew him up close would recognize him as Clark in a dead second.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by k18
If you can't stand the sight of blood, then you could pass out. otherwise, I could believe lana not passing out.



Well imo Lana's threshhold for pain isnt enough for her to withstand pulling an object out of her hand. Also I would think that she lost quite abit of blood, yet she can still go to the farm and then get it on with Zod.


Originally posted by Zod in my pocket
have YOU ever pulled a pipe out of your hand?? do you know that for a fact??

I thought Lana's "skewered hand" looked ridiculously bad, even for a stunt prop



Do I know what? That it is excrutiating? Becuase I can imagine, yet Lana is capable of doing that an not passing out from the pain.


Originally posted by Red K 5


but Electra did the same thing in Daredevil when she was fighting Bullseye


Yeah but Lana isnt Electra.

[lexs&os]

Originally posted by GottaLoveHotSuperHeros
I'd like to focus on the good things of this episode, but there was one thing....


when Chloe is hugging Clark she has nothing in her hands, then the next frame she has some papers in her hands


other than that I thought the ep was really good =)

The first time watching that scene, I didn't really notice because I loved the look on her face but all the many times I rewatched that scene, the papers were all I could focus on!!

[PKII]

Watch Lana getting stabbed in a hand again. Notice when she first starts to fall to her knees after she is pinned to the wall her hand moves down... hmm :rolleyes:

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by kryptofreak662
In an episode where lex finds out clarks powers but evntually loses his memory like he always duz he shoots clark with a gun that shoots really fast ic ouldn't tell yuw hat type of gun it was but it shot so fast and he was so close that it did hit clark. Latre on in the episode when lex forgets about his days happenings. Martha is putting ice on clarks wounds and she says and i quote "I can't believe every single one of tehse bruises is a bullet shot" meaning that the gun obviously hurt him so he's not invincibal he gets bruised by gun shots up close so...there ya go

That's not an error, that's development. That episode was Season 1 or 2, very early on. They've explicitly stated a few times on the show that Clark's powers are growing as he grows. The fact that the bullets could hurt him then are just an example of that.

[moody12381]

May be a nitpick but neither martha or lionel commented on lanas hand. I found that a bit annoying.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Yeah, the thing of LexZod flying bugged me, slightly onle because I knew they were gonna pull that one out of their arse.

While there have been many theories as to how Superman can fly, the one that always made the most sense was the whole "bio-electical-magnetic" field that surronds him, his "aura".

The kryptonian gravity can explain the strenght and bone density thing, but its the "aura" that lends a pubice hair of credibility to the flying and the suit not tearing and what not.

Its his Kryptonian DNA that, effected by the yellow sun, that allows him to fly, heat vision and have the charming disposition of a side table.

LexZod was simple a "suped up human" shell with a kryptonian "Spirit" in him.

The strength came from the "braniac juice" flowing through the human body.


As for the budget crap reason as to why they don't fly, I think all the SF in this episode pluse the scenes of them flying kind of shot that theory to pieces.

Unless they spent all their money on those shots and now, Clark will be taking a bus everywhere.

[skully]

Originally posted by kryptofreak662
In an episode where lex finds out clarks powers but evntually loses his memory like he always duz he shoots clark with a gun that shoots really fast ic ouldn't tell yuw hat type of gun it was but it shot so fast and he was so close that it did hit clark. Latre on in the episode when lex forgets about his days happenings. Martha is putting ice on clarks wounds and she says and i quote "I can't believe every single one of tehse bruises is a bullet shot" meaning that the gun obviously hurt him so he's not invincibal he gets bruised by gun shots up close so...there ya go This was in "Hug" (Season 1 Episode 11). It has been made clear all through the early seasons that Clark's abilities were developing. He has slowly developed new abilities including becoming more resistant to the impact of bullets. Early on he could be bruised by bullets (i.e. in season 1) but is now closer to the Man of Steel.

[Lightning Flash]

What really is fishy is how did Martha and Lois get back home to Kansas when they were all the way at Antarctica--FOS.

[ScottM1956]

I think Zod/Lex should not have been able to break the Kryptonian dagger.


Originally posted by Lightning Flash
What really is fishy is how did Martha and Lois get back home to Kansas when they were all the way at Antarctica--FOS.

Actually, it was the Arctic.

Jor-El transported them back to the caves.

[Liriel]

Originally posted by Lightning Flash
What really is fishy is how did Martha and Lois get back home to Kansas when they were all the way at Antarctica--FOS.

I was wondering how Lionel got back to Smallville, if Chloe couldn't do it because her leg was hurt. Did he speed walk? :D

[chlarkfan333]

And whatever happned to her limp when she ran to Clark?

[Red K 5]

did you notice that in the Phantom Zone the scars on Clark's lips keep changing


Originally posted by chlarkfan333
And whatever happned to her limp when she ran to Clark?

speaking of limping did you notice when he was talking to Raya Clark had a limp but almost five seconds later it was gone... or did his leg just fall asleep

[chlarkfan333]

^^ Nope! I didn't notice Clark's limp at all. It happens so often on shows, you'd think the actors/directors would keep an eye out for such gaffes.

[jaybyrd28]

Clark acting like a dummy again with a girl even though he has to know better by now.

Oh wait, that's not an error...

[mfarhaniqbal33]

Jor-El telling Martha that Clark trapped in Phantom Zone forever where he is the one who made a back door for Phantom Zone......btw did anyone notice that Zod that came out looked like Terrance Stamp from Lex's body

[Red K 5]

yes I did

[look_ma_no_pants]

i think the worst part was when martha told clark that she went through the same thing he's going through! had she lost 3 parents? was she constantly under attack? was she from another planet and unable to tell everyone she cared about the huge secret of her life? sorry but i don't think she can compare.

and i was completely thrown off. why all of a sudden does she want to be rid of jor-el? he basically controlled their lives and he took her husband's life and she said nothing. he transports her back home after her plane crashes and now she's mad?

i actually laughed out loud through her entire scene with clark.

[tk_ravenprime]

hi there...

I considered that also as a mistake, but then I thought about Kara. Jorel had given her flight, even though she was human. when jorel spoke to martha at the fortress, he specifically said that fine gave him "the powers of a true kryptonian". considering also what jonathan went thru when jorel juiced him up, i would say lex-zod wouldnt have lasted long due to burn out.

but thats just me

[~Chloe&Clark~]

I dont think they were flying, Lexod just tackled Clark through the window, and I think they "flew" because of the momentum, if you watch that scene again, it really looks like they are just gliding cause of the momentum...

[Eryeal]

Just some "huh?" items ..

1) Jor-el could've just pinpricked his hand when Raya decided she was going into the Phantom Zone. He builds this incredible prison, is the smartest person on Krypton, but can't give her an ounce of his blood so she could get out.

2) Why did the gateway from the Phantom Zone go to EARTH? The Phantom Zone was created before Clark.

3) Assuming Clark received the medallion/necklace before Raya got stabbed -- would Clark really have accepted it knowing Raya would certainly be killed by not having it to protect her anymore?

[superhippie2000]

well for number 1 i think maybe raya wasnt sent in there by jor el for a good reason i think she was put in there for betraying jor el cause having those phantom zone people near the exit that was supposed to secret and no one knew about it seems a bit fishy. and i think she did tell nam ek to be there and only said she lied to nam ek to make clark think she was on his side i think nam ek jhust opened his big mouth and spilled the beans so raya had to cover.

for number 2 i dont really know you got a point. you would think it would lead to krypton or atleast where krypton use to be. but maybe the phantom zone opens up in the last place an escappee was captured unless it was opened from the outside. or maybe the one who opens it goes to where they are thinking of so if clark thought earth then thats where he will go.

and for 3 i dont know i was kind of confused about when clark got it. it like happened during that little knife fight. maybe clark needed his blood plus the necklace thing to open the portal and i think at that point clark would take it if it was his only way out to save earth. he would have tried to save raya but if he knew he couldnt he would have just left her

[Liriel]

Originally posted by Eryeal
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1) Jor-el could've just pinpricked his hand when Raya decided she was going into the Phantom Zone. He builds this incredible prison, is the smartest person on Krypton, but can't give her an ounce of his blood so she could get out.
This made me laugh out loud.


2) Why did the gateway from the Phantom Zone go to EARTH? The Phantom Zone was created before Clark.Well, Jor-El did have it planned as an escape, and escaping to another planet makes sense if you don't want to be caught and re-imprisioned (or dealt with more permanently since you escaped). He already knew about earth - I can fanwank this one. I can even, if I stretch it to the point of incredulity, stretch it so he decided sending his son on a three-year-jaunt through space was safer than having Raya carry him through the PZ and go out the escape door.

[Ares]

yeah thats nice

[MayaQT]

Originally posted by Eryeal

1) Jor-el could've just pinpricked his hand when Raya decided she was going into the Phantom Zone. He builds this incredible prison, is the smartest person on Krypton, but can't give her an ounce of his blood so she could get out. LOL! That is a very, very good point.


Originally posted by mfarhaniqbal33

Jor-El telling Martha that Clark trapped in Phantom Zone forever where he is the one who made a back door for Phantom Zone. Another, very good point.

Jor-El seems really dumb in this episode. :confused:

[gj430]

anybody understand how Lois could wakeup just in enough time to see the crystals and bright light but not hear the conversation with Jor-el and Martha

[smallvillerocks45]

Lex should totally have that power. If I remember correctly, Brainiac injected Lex with a syrum that changed his genetic makeup, which therefore made his (Lex's ) body capable of becomming a vessel as well as having Kryptonian powers. In other words, Lex's body didn't do all the things it did because of Zod's presence, it did it because of the injection Brainiac had Lex create.


Originally posted by look_ma_no_pants
i think the worst part was when martha told clark that she went through the same thing he's going through! had she lost 3 parents? was she constantly under attack? was she from another planet and unable to tell everyone she cared about the huge secret of her life? sorry but i don't think she can compare.

and i was completely thrown off. why all of a sudden does she want to be rid of jor-el? he basically controlled their lives and he took her husband's life and she said nothing. he transports her back home after her plane crashes and now she's mad?

i actually laughed out loud through her entire scene with clark.

I laughed a bit during this scene too. I can't imagine Martha Kent even beginning to understand how Clark feels. Yes, she lost a husband, yes she has to keep a secret (Clark's secret), but she isn't the alien... I guess she was just trying to make her son feel better.

[Pal-El]

Originally posted by mfarhaniqbal33
Jor-El telling Martha that Clark trapped in Phantom Zone forever where he is the one who made a back door for Phantom Zone

Yes but he had no control over whether or not Clark could find out how to get out.

As far as he knew, Raya could be dead.

Thats why he said "His destiny is now his own", because he could not do anything for him. Clark had to figure it out for himself. Or meet Raya and get her to do it for him:p

[chlarkfan333]

Somebody mentioned this before, but it's worth noting again. When they cut to the scene where Chloe's hugging Clark (from her POV) she has papers in her hand when she had none before. This is just terrible editing. They did something similar during the Vessel kiss when they cut back to the two of them after the phone rang and Chloe's hands were on his face in completely different position than before the scene. The Vessel snafu could be attributed to AM though: I remember TPTB (Buffy) commenting on a Buffy scene in season 1 about how difficult it is for actors to remember body positions each time when they have to do multiple takes (or something like that).

[Drakaun]

I thought is was a great episode, but I too am taken by the whole was it Zod's esscense that gave him powers, or Brainiacs preperation. My only answer takes me back to the episode Transference, if a kryptonian's esscense was able to give it's host powers, why did Lionel in Clark's body have powers.

Then again, I shouldn't really argue for sake of continuity, like they really thought that through. Overall I loved the episode though.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Eryeal
Just some "huh?" items ..

1) Jor-el could've just pinpricked his hand when Raya decided she was going into the Phantom Zone. He builds this incredible prison, is the smartest person on Krypton, but can't give her an ounce of his blood so she could get out.

That would be like walking on prison full of homicidal maniacs with the key to the exit.


Originally posted by Eryeal
2) Why did the gateway from the Phantom Zone go to EARTH? The Phantom Zone was created before Clark.

The caves. We can't just forget everything that happened before in Smallville.

About the Lexod powers, we don't know what the hell happened in the ship, when Fine took Lex (we do know about Lex's cocoon). Now, Lex losing his powers is just another of the countless plot-holes that people will forget (I'll never forget the Lex's blood issue).

[Liriel]

1) Jor-el could've just pinpricked his hand when Raya decided she was going into the Phantom Zone. He builds this incredible prison, is the smartest person on Krypton, but can't give her an ounce of his blood so she could get out.

That would be like walking on prison full of homicidal maniacs with the key to the exit. But it's better than walking into a prison full of homicidal maniacs and staying there forever because you don't have a key.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Liriel
But it's better than walking into a prison full of homicidal maniacs and staying there forever because you don't have a key.

That was the point all along, with all the stories of prophecies and destiny, it's not far-fatched that Jor-El did send her to the PZ, knowing that Clark would some day go there. After all, the crystal was the solution for Zod.

That or the usual Smallville writing "lets write without caring about the details" theory. :p

[rpglord]

Originally posted by Eryeal
2) Why did the gateway from the Phantom Zone go to EARTH? The Phantom Zone was created before Clark.

I think it's because that's where he entered the zone. He came out at the Kent farm, right? And that's where Lexod had knocked him into the PZ.

[Welling_is_pretty]

Originally posted by Zod in my pocket

I thought Lana's "skewered hand" looked ridiculously bad, even for a stunt prop
yes, this was just bad props or bad special effects or something. Her hand looked so, so fake. It was obviously rubber.
It really threw off that scene.

[Spirit Detective]

Lex never found the crystal dagger which was still in the mansion.

[Insight]

Not really an error, but there was some seriously bad editing in this ep. The biggest I saw was in the barn with CK talking to Mom. I noticed it the first time through, which is pretty bad.

[chlarkfan333]

It looked like the crashed plane's nose was pointing up against a bank of snow. That's strange b/c planes usually crash nose-down. Also, if the plane was resting the way it was, the shots in the interior didn't match up to the angle from the outside.

[thehenry89]

its really hard for me to belive that lana can pull that thing out of her hand without superpowers considering lexzod used super powers to get it in there. lana must be on kryptoroids or somthing :lol:

[Spirit Detective]

How can Lana still walk after pulling that rod from her hand? She should've also lost a lot of blood.

[kazek]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
I dont care how much adrenaline Lana has pumping through her veins. She cannot pull a pipe or whatever out of her hand and not pass out. Thats ludicrous.

Yeah I agree. That was bizarre. No matter how strong Lana is there is no way she could have pulled it out with no hesitation and go all the way to the kent farm. That's just absurd. As soon as Zod left she started struggling to pull out the pipe without any thought....NO WAY THAT IS POSSIBLE !!!

[MandyVox]

Another mistake...

In the end "Iguazú Falls - Patagonia - Argentina"

The mistake is, "Iguazu Falls" is not in Patagonia, that actually, is in the south of Argentina, it's a island. "Iguazu Falls" is a larger territory, between Brazil and Argentina, really far from Patagonia.

[Red K 5]

She looked young

[bobser]

I'll agree with Lana's hand. I think it should have perhaps phased her a little more than needing a gauze bandage.

As for Zod, everything was proper. If he was to truly be considered Zod (as I think the writers wanted it to be) he should have every single power. I think it was even said during the episode..."He has all of the abilities of a true Kryptonian." Flying is on the basic checklist.

[seannyd]

The biggest problem I have with the episode (and a common theme among Smallville) is the lack of consequences that anyone faces for terrible deeds.

Lex broke into the Pentagon, stole a computer, almost destroyed the entire world and there's not even a damn informal inquiry on the guy? Seriously, even if he was possessed by the spirit of an alien, I think he'd at least be taken into custody and asked a few questions. But nope, he nearly destroyed the world and an "I'm Sorry" is pretty much all it takes.

It's just so frustrating. So much potential. So many glimpses of greatness and they kill it because they don't care about the details.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by seannyd
The biggest problem I have with the episode (and a common theme among Smallville) is the lack of consequences that anyone faces for terrible deeds.

Lex broke into the Pentagon, stole a computer, almost destroyed the entire world and there's not even a damn informal inquiry on the guy? Seriously, even if he was possessed by the spirit of an alien, I think he'd at least be taken into custody and asked a few questions. But nope, he nearly destroyed the world and an "I'm Sorry" is pretty much all it takes.

It's just so frustrating. So much potential. So many glimpses of greatness and they kill it because they don't care about the details.

I agree with you in large part regarding continuity, but some things just need to be accepted as part of the show. If there really were any footage of Lex commiting those crimes, where would the show take it? To be realistic, he'd be arrested, investigated, held for a while, tried (his plea that he'd been inhabited by an alien probably wouldn't hold up very well) and thus probably convicted, and then sent to prison. It's also unrealistic that Clark would be freed from the PZ with just enough time to save Martha and Lionel from getting crushed. Or that the first place he went when back in SV was the barn. These are just a few, but there are more, and to enjoy the show you need to suspend your disbelief. The most obvious instance of this in the Superman universe is that people don't recognize that Clark Kent = Superman. They'd know. Period. But, to enjoy the show, we ignore that detail. I think the inquiry into Lex is the same way.

[Kal-ed]

If I remember correctly, Lexod, broke the dagger, isnt it Kryptonian steel?? he shouldnt be able to use it.

ANd the whole "it was Brainiacs serum" is the reason Zod had powers is lame, there are canon "cientific" explanations on why kryptoniand have powers in earth, and its the molecular density, also by acumulation of sun energy, the longer they remain exposed to the yellow sun the more powerfull they are, considering Zod being exposed to them one day, against 16 years of Clark I think Clark could have overpowerd him easily, or should have at least to what we know empowers kryptonians, the fact is the mistake was made the minute Zod didnt have a body of his own but inhabited Lex´s.

[Mischael12]

True...though you can break a knife, but daggers are usually thicker then knives, so the steel should've at least cut his hand when he broke it...unless Jor-el disappearing erased the daggers powers as well, or Fine neutralized it.

and the kryptonian powers you are right, with that logic unless if the person is kryptonian he can't do the same thing as a kryptonian, nor would his body be able to handle it.

oh well.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
If I remember correctly, Lexod, broke the dagger, isnt it Kryptonian steel?? he shouldnt be able to use it.

ANd the whole "it was Brainiacs serum" is the reason Zod had powers is lame, there are canon "cientific" explanations on why kryptoniand have powers in earth, and its the molecular density, also by acumulation of sun energy, the longer they remain exposed to the yellow sun the more powerfull they are, considering Zod being exposed to them one day, against 16 years of Clark I think Clark could have overpowerd him easily, or should have at least to what we know empowers kryptonians, the fact is the mistake was made the minute Zod didnt have a body of his own but inhabited Lex´s.

You know, I agree with you in general, but (similar to an earlier post I made), there are exceptions. We've seen Kryptonian powers transfered to non-Kryptonians before. Twice now Eric Summers has leached Clark's powers, giving an earthling's body kryptonian powers, regardless of exposure to the sun or molecular density. We've seen Jonathan Kent use Kryptonian powers (these were even granted to him at night, when he had zero exposure to the sun).

And not just in Smallville. Lois and Clark had a couple episodes where Superman's powers were transfered. Once was due to a lightning strike (which the original Smallville transference imitated a bit) and once was due to a red kryptonite laser beam.

There are earlier examples of it also, especially in the comics, which should really be the 'highest' form of Superman canon.

Basically, I don't think it was an error. You can't just write off the serum as being 'lame.' Fine had an intricate plan, which involved making Lex's earth body susceptible to Kryptonian powers via the serum, then preparing him in the black ship. If that's not a good enough explanation, then neither is electricity passing through kryptonite or any of the other myriad causes of power-transference that have occured in Superman canon.

[Mischael12]

Well you have to consider which superman we are talking about, it wasn't always the sun that gave him powers, the sun was added cause it was kinda hard to explain that if all kryptonians were that strong and powerful that something like a sun exploding wouldn't kill them.

As well as they haven't introduced that his powers don't work under a red sun. What color was the sun in the phantom zone? If there even was one, cause that would explain the lack of powers and ability to bleed.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by Mischael12
Well you have to consider which superman we are talking about, it wasn't always the sun that gave him powers, the sun was added cause it was kinda hard to explain that if all kryptonians were that strong and powerful that something like a sun exploding wouldn't kill them.

As well as they haven't introduced that his powers don't work under a red sun. What color was the sun in the phantom zone? If there even was one, cause that would explain the lack of powers and ability to bleed.

The Phantom Zone thing goes back to the comics also. Kryptonians don't have powers in the Phantom Zone.

[Kal-ed]

I like Post crisis explanation of his powers, cause precrisis, it was sometimes vague and specialy in the Silver age, it got really off track, he was moving planets, and had this Goku ability to get as strong and powerfull as the ocation called for, he even had faceshifting abilities in some incarnations so I guess I like that now they solidified as to why superman has powers on earth, his density and the sun. And SV had handeled that canon characteristic, but then they forget about it. Its not the fact that I cant phantom a non Kryptonian body having powers, but what I dont like are the cop outs, writters sometimes use, Although MR is my favorite actor on the show, I would have prefered Zod to have his own body. And Zod having his own boddy would have saved them from the serum thing and I wouldnt be complaining right now, that in SV canon (not even comic) seems not possible...Wait a minute, what canon... SV doenst have canon... No, they do, anything goes.

Just some continuity thats not to much to ask for.

[smallvillerocks45]

What I don't understand is where Zod came from. I was under the impression that he was in the Phantom Zone - which he very well may have been...but if that is the case, why is it that he was the only one released from the zone when the portal was opened?

I'm not sure if it's an "error", because the issue may have been addressed, but I don't remember it being mentioned....can anyone help me out?

[Kat_Halliwell]

Originally posted by MandyVox
Another mistake...

In the end "Iguazú Falls - Patagonia - Argentina"

The mistake is, "Iguazu Falls" is not in Patagonia, that actually, is in the south of Argentina, it's a island. "Iguazu Falls" is a larger territory, between Brazil and Argentina, really far from Patagonia.
Oh my, Patagonia is NOT an island. It's part of the Argentinian territory, I should know that since that's where I live :)
And yes, big mistake there. And those didn't even look like the Iguazú Falls (been there).

Oh well... :rolleyes:

[jaybyrd28]

No one should really be surprised about the powers thing.

Ironically in this respect Smallville is actually being true to it's own little continuity (although completely at odds with traditional Superman lore).

Ever since Leech Smallville has treated Clarks' powers as something that can be lost or transfered to others.

They even go as far as having Kryptonite not affect him when he is without his powers (Leech, Arrival, Mortal). At the end of Hidden remember the Doctor's report that Clark's tests all came back "Normal" suggesting that without them he's basically a human in the minds of the writers.

And don't forget that S3 Jor-El gave Jonathon temporary powers to get Clark back. It's not that hard to stretch out that with "preparing" as Braniac called it that a more permanent power could be attained.

I won't touch on how much this approach completely irk's me ;) Just pointing out that it's absolutely logical with Smallville precedent.

[Kal El, Hero]

I heard a couple of theories in various threads, also some not in KryptonSite, that the reason Clark and all the other ZOTWs landed in Earth when he opened the portal was something like the FoS (even though it wasn't powered up) was on Earth, and something along the lines of that's where Jor-El's spirit was, and since it was supposed to be only somebody from the house of El to use the gateway, that's why he was drawn to Earth, with Jor-El.
And to answer "Jor-el could've just pinpricked his hand when Raya decided she was going into the Phantom Zone. He builds this incredible prison, is the smartest person on Krypton, but can't give her an ounce of his blood so she could get out." I suppose TPTB will just give you a lame excuse 'it has to be fresh blood!'

[SheaMan]

I have a simple three step explanation for how Lexod has full Kryptonian powers - with full capabilities - and total failure/memory loss afterwords.

First - The infection preperation process.
Between the Braniac nanites or whatever Lex's body was improved so that it would be able to hold and handle the energy of the kryptonian's powers. The nanites do the bulk of the work but the the point is to enable the body to utilize the power. Similar most likely to a high speed version of what Jor-El did to make Kara.

Second - Very important.. the method of transfering Zod into Lex looked a whole heck of alot more like the way Jor-El put the power into Pa than it did any other power effect so far. I imagine the Braniac had effectivly full access to the FOS capabilities which includes (I imagine) a massice energy store for use in these situations.

Third - When the whole braniac sustem that were powering Lexod was deactivated and the Zod spirit was banished a large amount of Lex's newfound physiology (including memories) were destroyed along with it. Without the nanite assitance he can't power any abilities, and as we have seen with psychic possesion previous to this - you don't remember what happens when another soul has control of your body.

Lastly - Allison Mack is most certainly limping when she runs to Clark, and there is no doubt in my mind that if you were in Lana's position you woulda pulled that bad boy right out same as she did. I know I would.

Regarding other errors..

The hand‽ Do you realize exactly how bad a wound would have to be to have bled out through that much flippin gauze! Really? A pipe through the hand like that? I think she is going to need reconstructive surgery actually.

Kayla - I bet Jor-El had faith in her (founded since she was still alive) and that getting her and a few "others" out was going to be one of those things he had Clark do .. after he finished training because there is no way to communicate into the phantom zone.

The Sun? I think that the way Kara sat and soaked instead of eating is a pretty good indicator that they are going the solar energy stored and converted into force fields method. The force fields are the super power theory helps with the way Clark has been able to totally nullify certain inertial realities in the past.

And another thing about Kara (and the power mechanism in general( is that Kryptonians can vaporize things because they can emit energy of many forms from any location on/around their bodies. All she did was push out enough energy through the hands to vaporize the car in a second - the only question I have about that is why didn't Zod vaporize anything?