Ratings for Zod

[superhippie2000]

Post the ratings and reactions to the ratings when we get them.

[lanakk1]

2.8 out of 5

[DWBSR620]

5.0 out of 5.0 Best premier of the series. Take care.


Peace To All.

[STFanatic]

4.3 out of 5
I wanted to see the plane crash.
And shouldn't Lex also have the knife remnants?

[vyperman7]

Guys,

The thread is not designed to have you rate the finale.

The thread is meant to discuss the TV RATINGS that Zod pulls in.

Please direct all comments, ratings, etc for the premiere to this thread :

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61517

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Guys,

The thread is not designed to have you rate the finale.

The thread is meant to discuss the TV RATINGS that Zod pulls in.

:D

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
:D

I know Parker. It cracks me up sometimes too. :lol:

[smallvillecrazygurl04]

4.5 out of 5.

[ClarkKent0123]

ah hahaha smallvillecrazygurl04, did you not read the above posts, ah hahahhahahahaha

[wb-superman]

I give it 5 out of 5. It is very great. :)

[smallvillecrazygurl04]

Originally posted by ClarkKent0123
ah hahaha smallvillecrazygurl04, did you not read the above posts, ah hahahhahahahaha

Oh Crap, I just realized that lol, sorry about that.

there isn't a need to laugh at me as if I'm a joke:(

[vyperman7]

ATTENTION EVERYONE

Man, I have to keep repeating myself tonight.

This thread is to discuss THE TV RATINGS that Zod receives.

PLEASE STOP discussing Zod as a whole in this thread. The point is not to rate the episode. Please refer to the thread that deals with reviewing the episode.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2483680#post2483680

[superhippie2000]

ya just the tv ratings. when do those come in anyway. it would be a shame if it didnt do to good seeing how the episode was great.

[EricN68]

It'll be interesting to see the effects, if any, on the whole WB --> CW switcheroo...

What was it up against tonight -- Survivor (tough competition, but good cross-programming), My Name is Earl & The Office (againg, good cross-programming). And something called "Ugly Betty"??

[superhippie2000]

i dounbt it beat surivivor it may have come close to my name is earl and the office and since ugly betty is new and a chick show i think smallville had that beat.

[vyperman7]

Smallville will never beat a show on a major network. It is as simple as that. The sad fact is that the show loses ratings with each season. Unfortunately I think that Zod will only get between 4.5-5.5 million viewers. It might do a little over 6 million because it was the premiere. But I am skeptical.

[mikemike]

zap2it reports a 2.9

i dont know if thats good or not but i remember most of last season was in the 3's right?

[joesmallville]

Accroding to zap2it.com Smallville got a 2.9 rating on the fast nationals

To compare with other CW shows

1. America's Next Top Model 3.4

2. Gilmore Girls 3.1

3. Smallville/7th Heaven 2.9

[vyperman7]

A 2.9 out of what?

It is usually a number on the left / a number on the right.

But from the looks of things I may be right unfortunately. I am thinking between 4.5-5.5 million.

[superhippie2000]

ya it sucks that ratings drop and this season looks like its going to be a good one. they need better promotions for smallville cause the trialer for next weeks would have been better if they added that certian part most people would enjoy. not going to say what since its a spoiler. but that would have boosted ratings higher then lex on a table.

[vyperman7]

According to Mediaweek :

Also at 8 p.m. was the season-premiere of the CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #4, 3.8/ 6; Viewers: #5, 5.04 million; A18-49: #5, 2.2/ 6),

Looks like I was right.

All I have to say is OUCH. That is pretty damn low for a premiere. All the premieres have always done over 6 million easy. It is a shame too because Zod was actually deserving of much higher ratings.

[joesmallville]

Last year's premiere got 5.9 million viewers.

The 5.04 will probably go up a few when the final number is released.

Anyway it looks like the CW merger has had a negative effect on the shows

For example Gilmore Girls last season got 6.22 million viewers for their season opener, this year 4.6 million.

[superhippie2000]

but you have to remeber that not everyone was able to watch cause there were like 10 states or something plus direct tv people and stuff that didnt get the cw

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by vyperman7
According to Mediaweek :

Also at 8 p.m. was the season-premiere of the CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #4, 3.8/ 6; Viewers: #5, 5.04 million; A18-49: #5, 2.2/ 6),

Looks like I was right.

All I have to say is OUCH. That is pretty damn low for a premiere. All the premieres have always done over 6 million easy. It is a shame too because Zod was actually deserving of much higher ratings.

That's a real shame. I was really wondering about the ratings since I've noticed there hasn't been a huge amount of activity on alot of the SV msg boards I've visited. Even on this one there doesn't seem to be as many posts as there usually is for a big episode like the premiere. I wonder what the CW will do if the ratings don't improve?

[joesmallville]

Originally posted by MBCorp
That's a real shame. I was really wondering about the ratings since I've noticed there hasn't been a huge amount of activity on alot of the SV msg boards I've visited. Even on this one there doesn't seem to be as many posts as there usually is for a big episode like the premiere. I wonder what the CW will do if the ratings don't improve?

Smallville is going to be the most watched show on the CW this week and might beat Top Model (5.14 million) for most watched season opener (will have to wait to see final number)

CW isn't going to do anything

[eas]

Originally posted by joesmallville
Last year's premiere got 5.9 million viewers.

The 5.04 will probably go up a few when the final number is released.

Anyway it looks like the CW merger has had a negative effect on the shows

For example Gilmore Girls last season got 6.22 million viewers for their season opener, this year 4.6 million.

But I wonder if it's the merger or the quality of the shows? There are a lot of fans who refused to watch "GG" this year because the quality went down. I thought that affected their premiere numbers more than the merger.

"Supernatural" went down from 5.69 to 3.81... but they say that it's still pretty good given that they're competition was "Grey's Anatomy" & "CSI". I think "Ugly Betty" and "The Office" definitely hurt "Smallville".

It'll be interesting to see what happens with "Veronica Mars". Maybe only the WB shows will suffer a ratings decrease & the merger will help the UPN shows.

[MBCorp]

The ratings for Supernatural are down too. Looks like it is the change in networks...taking viewers time to get used to a new network.

[eas]

Originally posted by joesmallville
Smallville is going to be the most watched show on the CW this week and might beat Top Model (5.14 million) for most watched season opener (will have to wait to see final number)

CW isn't going to do anything

Dawn Oshroff did say that she expects the ratings to dip all around because it'll take time for them to establish the new network. But I bet she's still disappointed. I got a sense that the CW was really taking "SV" for granted. On their website, most of the shows had "director's cuts" of the upcoming episodes and teaser information. They didn't do that for "SV". And they didn't even give "SV" a decent promo. It's like they didn't even try to rope in new viewers -- they just expected that the old ones would show up.

[mikemike]

it probably didnt help that the smallville ad had clark looking like a moron.

[JLA]

The Thursday night competition is an absolute killer. With the strong premiere of Ugly Betty, each network has strong shows in the 8:00/9:00 slot. Given the increased competition, I wouldn't be surprised to see Smallville moved to a different night this season.

[eas]

Originally posted by mikemike
it probably didnt help that the smallville ad had clark looking like a moron.

You mean the CW "Free to be Super" ad?


Originally posted by JLA
The Thursday night competition is an absolute killer. With the strong premiere of Ugly Betty, each network has strong shows in the 8:00/9:00 slot. Given the increased competition, I wouldn't be surprised to see Smallville moved to a different night this season.

The competition is killer... but I think that "SV" will perform much better on Thursday night than any other CW show. The only reason I could see for them to move "SV" to a different night would be if they expected to make a significant impact on the ratings for that night. I can't think of any night in the week where "SV" would be able to do that. This season there are a lot of good shows on & most networks have at least a couple of buzz-worthy new shows. There really isn't any night on TV where the CW is not going to get trounced by the major networks.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by vyperman7
According to Mediaweek :

Also at 8 p.m. was the season-premiere of the CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #4, 3.8/ 6; Viewers: #5, 5.04 million; A18-49: #5, 2.2/ 6),

Looks like I was right.

All I have to say is OUCH. That is pretty damn low for a premiere. All the premieres have always done over 6 million easy. It is a shame too because Zod was actually deserving of much higher ratings.

That's what you get when they continued to show that lexana sex promo over and over and over again.

[PhiLLyFAn087]

I doubt the CW would move Smallville. The ratings for Smallville are on par with the network's other big shows like GG, 7th Heaven, and top Model. There's no where to put smallville other than thurday at 8 because it is a solid anchor for Supernatural. I think the rating decrease has more to so with people either not getting the CW or not being able to find it. This year is about "educating" viewers to find the CW.

And yea, the billboard ads looked pretty dumb. Nothing flashy.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by PhiLLyFAn087
I doubt the CW would move Smallville. The ratings for Smallville are on par with the network's other big shows like GG, 7th Heaven, and top Model. There's no where to put smallville other than thurday at 8 because it is a solid anchor for Supernatural. I think the rating decrease has more to so with people either not getting the CW or not being able to find it. This year is about "educating" viewers to find the CW.

And yea, the billboard ads looked pretty dumb. Nothing flashy.

I think that we still need to take into consideration the second half of last season after Reckoning. This show has been in a ratings decline ever since then. It's not a shocker to me that the ratings were this bad. Had Smallville finished up with high ratings like the first half of season 5 had, I would be shocked at the ratings for "Zod".

[PhiLLyFAn087]

The second half of season 4 also went on a ratings decline similar to 5, if not worse, but the show bounced back in the premeire. Season 4's finale was stronger so that could have a little to do with it.

[CallMeClark]

10/5 - My 3rd favorite premiere.

[Damali]

Originally posted by PhiLLyFAn087
I doubt the CW would move Smallville. The ratings for Smallville are on par with the network's other big shows like GG, 7th Heaven, and top Model. There's no where to put smallville other than thurday at 8 because it is a solid anchor for Supernatural. I think the rating decrease has more to so with people either not getting the CW or not being able to find it. This year is about "educating" viewers to find the CW.

Smallville's ratings were kinda blah, not amazing, but not terrible. Once the official numbers are out, the Season Six premiere will probably be around 5.3 - 5.4 million. Ugly Betty, Earl and Suvriror are going to major factors, but I agree there is no where else to put Smallville, but on Thursday.

I orginally thought the CW biggest problem might be the whole new network thing, but now I'm thinking it's competition from the other networks. GG and 7th under performed, but Top Model out performed their previous records, but we have wait and see how LOST affects Top Model. When Smallville went against LOST during Season four, they got killed in the ratings.

[cayayofm]

I really expected for the The CW to perform better. So far the only show that had an improvement in ratings is America's Next Top Model. I guess, like some people mentioned, that this season is more about educating people to find the network and to get use too it.

However, the fact is that The CW had a huge promotional campaing for America'a Next Top Model, they has really taken some shows for granted expecting people to show up. Hopefully as people discover, find and get used to The CW in the coming months the ratings for most of their shows should improve, including Smallville.

[Spoon AZ]

Some people don't even get the CW yet or know where to find it.

These ratings are fine.

[ubermenschlich]

Several people in my area could not find the station as it moved from the WB channel to the UPN channel.

[MrED]

Did you ever think to consider maybe the new CW channel does not have the ability to reach as many people as the WB did. And thats why all the popular shows from the WB like Smallville, Supernatural and Gilmore Girls does not have so much viewers like they used to get before the merg. And American Top model is up in ratings because it was on the UPN who we all know had fewer viewers then the WB

I think there in lies the problem the CW has not so many stations yet like the WB did have in its time. And it has more then UPN did that is why only UPN's shows is up.

[EricN68]

Number of stations did strike me as a possibility. Is there a count on the number of WB stations vs. the number of CW stations? If it's different by 20% or so, that would have made a big difference.

[myankskent]

How about the areas that only had UPN that now get the CW. How do we know that there are more people out there this season that don't have the CW yet?

[Fly by guy]

Season 4 Crusade did 6.1 m., season 5 Arrival did 5.9million. Two weeks ago I said that anything below 5.5 would be a sign that Lexod and Lexana were losing viewers.
Starting a new network should not greatly affect an old show like Smallville UNLESS their are less markets. I think last season pissed off a great number of fans and it will take more than this episode to bring them back. At least they didn't protray Lana as the helpless victim, again.
Vessel had a million less viewers than did Commencement. Season 4 grew away from the ratings killer we call "witches and stones" and went back to a season two approach of FOTW and bumbling Clana.
Now we have stumbling Lexana. I would not be surprised to see the number next week be down yet again as it is another kidnap and torture show. Ho Hum.


Originally posted by canon
What was the number (viewers) for Vessel?
Oracle was 4.84 and Vessel was 4.5, not too good for a two part finale.
Season avg for season 4 was 5.0, for season 5 was 5.35. Season 5 lost 1.2 million from the first 8 episodes compared to the final 8 episodes. Zod would have needed a Super miracle to have done 6 million.
Just my opinion but alot of people spoke badly of all the Clana and angst, but at least those fans kept the numbers up. I hope it doesn't cost us next season. :\

[canon]

Vessel was watched by 4.58 million. "Zod" had 5.04 million viewers. 500K more viewers tuned in after Vessel. CW is not aired in Hawaii and some other states, I think.

[Spoon AZ]

Lexod and Lexana were losing viewers

:lol:

the old shipper rating drop theory always makes me laugh.

And everyone loves Zod. You can't blame him.

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
:lol:

the old shipper rating drop theory always makes me laugh.

And everyone loves Zod. You can't blame him.

Yeah, I'm sure the CW is laughing with you.:D

[myankskent]

Originally posted by canon
Vessel was watched by 4.58 million. "Zod" had 5.04 million viewers. 500K more viewers tuned in after Vessel. CW is not aired in Hawaii and some other states, I think.

Yeah, but you can tell that people are fed up with this show, and the only thing that you can point to is the disaster that was Reckoning. And Lexana is tied to it. That's why this premier failed compared to every other, although I thought that this episode was much better than the ratings indicate. But again, next week could be a different story as things might revert back to post Reckoning status.

[CallMeClark]

Oh Lexod isn't the reason people aren't watching. Plus remember season four's ratings of some as low as 3.6 million? I think staying in the 5 mill range is TV worthy. Anyone know Gilmore Girl's premiere #?

[F-Stop Blues]

I've stopped caring about the ratings. We analyze them to death and I have realized that it doesnt matter. There is no way in hell that a new newtwork would cancel its flagship show. That makes no sense.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
I've stopped caring about the ratings. We analyze them to death and I have realized that it doesnt matter. There is no way in hell that a new newtwork would cancel its flagship show. That makes no sense.

Truth. Smallville, Supernatural, and Veronica Mars seem to be pretty much guaranteed to do well this season, even if they do experience a dip in ratings because of The CW being available in fewer places.

[Atomic girl]

I believe Smallville never "won" its night/timeslot outright. Wasn't it winning in the 18 - 35 year old demographic? And the movie houses love that because that's where they want to advertise for the weekend movies opening on the next day. Does anyone have the ratings broken down by demographics/regions etc?

[tmkfan]

Im sorry but all of that, some people dont get the "CW" in their homes stuff is crap, the ratings sucked, cuz S5 sucked (at least 20 of 23 episodes), and it left us all with a bitter taste in our mouths.

I can only hope for the ratings to continue going down next week. :D

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by tmkfan
Im sorry but all of that, some people dont get the "CW" in their homes stuff is crap, the ratings sucked, cuz S5 sucked (at least 20 of 23 episodes), and it left us all with a bitter taste in our mouths.

I can only hope for the ratings to continue going down next week. :D

You're welcome to your opinions of Season 5 and Season 6, but lots of people really don't get The CW. The merger has effected ratings across the boards for all of The CW shows, they're all lower.

[tmkfan]

Wich doesnt make any sense! This merge was supposed to make SVL ratings better since it didnt had whatever competition it had with UPN last year.

Even if some ppl dont get the CW how many really have a Nielsen box? if they dont even get the channel I cant imagine them having one.

Oh well, I still think the ratings sucked cuz svl sucks now.

why didnt ANTM get bad ratings like SVLs ones? GG ratings sucked cuz of what happened in the season finale last year and how people were pissed off about it.

[MBCorp]

Alaska and Hawaii don't get the CW. So there's two states gone right there.

[MrED]

Have you even read what i wrote. UPN shows get more in the ratings because it was a smaller network then the WB

Gezz...

[Rafael122]

Give it a couple of more weeks, and then lets see how the ratings do.

[chole_fan]

Originally posted by tmkfan
Wich doesnt make any sense! This merge was supposed to make SVL ratings better since it didnt had whatever competition it had with UPN last year.

Even if some ppl dont get the CW how many really have a Nielsen box? if they dont even get the channel I cant imagine them having one.

Oh well, I still think the ratings sucked cuz svl sucks now.

why didnt ANTM get bad ratings like SVLs ones? GG ratings sucked cuz of what happened in the season finale last year and how people were pissed off about it.

Actually, ANTM and SV were fairly close in ratings and total number of viewers, i think.

Anyway, 5 million + is not bad for a new network. I know it is an old show, but for much of the country it's on a new station and, in some areas, it does not even air now.

That said, I completely agree with F-STop Blues. There is no way, barring a complete ratings meltdown, that they will cancel SV. What would take it's place? It's not like the new CW shows are pulling in the viewers. (See Runaway ratings).

[tmkfan]

Originally posted by MrED
Have you even read what i wrote. UPN shows get more in the ratings because it was a smaller network then the WB

Gezz...

*sigh* whatever floats your boat

[Ilovebeinglost]

why do some TV shows get so much advertising? They advertised Ugly Betty so much that I wouldn't even watch it if Smallville wasn't airing at the same time.

[tmkfan]

another thing.. supernatural did better in some of those ratings stuff i dont get than last season, so why did SVL get worse numbers in every aspect?

[NotTodayPete]

Smallville season 5 was great. I'm sure it's due to the move/new channel/lack of promotion. Besides won't SV still be one of the networks top shows with this rating?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Is it really true that more pople watch TOP MODEL than SV?!?

What has this world become?

Where is General Zod when we really need him...
:(

[JD2]

You also have to remember that technology is changing, and ratings aren't very accurate because of TiVo's and stuff like bitTORRENT. (BTW, CW you could make a but load of money by putting your top shows like Smallville on iTunes, for being the "cutting edge" network, that's pretty pathetic that you're the only major network to not have your shows on there.) This technology becomes more and more accessable and as they do rating become less and less relevant. I know my sister and several of her friends all TiVo Smallville as they have commitments Thursday nights.

[elfstone2087]

4.5 out of 5 Awesome episode!

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by elfstone2087
4.5 out of 5 Awesome episode!

I am really starting to wonder if people are forgetting how to read. .. :lol:

For the last time....

THIS THREAD IS TO DISCUSS TV RATINGS THE EPISODE RECEIVED

Please do not rate the episode based on what you thought. There is already a thread to discuss your thoughts on the episode and to rate it.

[glitchbit]

JD2, they are counting the TiVo users and DVR users like me, after all they can't tell the difference between me flipping the remote or the DVR doing it for me, unless my satellite company programmed that feature into my DVR without me knowing.

Regardless though the CW or any network does not care about TiVo or DVR viewers, and they sure don't care about the torrent viewers, neither one helps their bottom line thus to them both of those viewers are part of the problem. DVR users use the skip button for all commercials while the torrent users have all of it precut before hand for their benefit.

And yes the merger has expectingly hurt the what would be otherwise higher ratings across the board. I think delaying the merger would have been better and having in the info box and where ever else in my guide menu, info about the UPN & WB merger and what channel they will appear on for my area. TBS did this awhile back(no merger I don't think though) and they did a good job of changing channel numbers in my area.

But I feel like the UPN(CBS) and WB are being sneaky about their merger, at least I haven't seen any info on tv about the New CW coming from UPN and the WB merging. I think that is intentional though most people didn't watch UPN, so they did not want the UPN stigma going along with it. In my opinion they should have called it the CWB and keep most of their WB graphics and what not, because going the UPN style of graphics makes them look even worse.

Honestly though I gave UPN a chance several months ago, I forget why, maybe a deceased show showed up on UPN but at any rate I hated their shows. I felt like I was watching a disney channel with even worse bad actors and stuff not even remotely funny with canned laughs every 5 seconds. It was horrid OO. Last good show I cared to watch on the disney channel was "Smart Guy", there is another show that tries to emulate smart guy some, on air now but they don't get it at all and have also done an extremely horrible job.

[Ayanne]

Originally posted by NotTodayPete
Smallville season 5 was great. I'm sure it's due to the move/new channel/lack of promotion. Besides won't SV still be one of the networks top shows with this rating?

I think CW were idiots to not promote their *MOST popular female character* Chloe & the Clark/Chloe relationship. It has the most BUZZ. Allison Mack won a teen's choice award.

I'm sure that did not help.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Ayanne
I think CW were idiots to not promote their *MOST popular female character* Chloe & the Clark/Chloe relationship. It has the most BUZZ. Allison Mack won a teen's choice award.

I'm sure that did not help.

So people are going to vote for Allison Mack for a teen choice award and then stop watching because they don't see a chlark promo? I don't buy that.

[Fly by guy]

One kiss a season does not mean a future relationship, right Auntie?

[Liriel]

Originally posted by myankskent
So people are going to vote for Allison Mack for a teen choice award and then stop watching because they don't see a chlark promo? I don't buy that. No, but casual fans who like Chloe are apt not to tune if they think she isn't going to have a storyline or much to do or be featured.

No, actually, I'll change my answer to "yes" - because voting is no work at all. It's not like they have to be rabid fans or go out of their way to vote. Just click a button on a website. Then it looks like (if you're a casual fan who just sees the promos and that's really it) that Chloe isn't around much or doing much in the next season, so you don't tune in.

[warriorrenegade]

So whats the final ratings tally for SV. I saw the ratings on the news page. UB had 12millon then today on the E! channel they had their little scrool at the bottom saying UB had 16millon. So whats the final SV numbers?

[Ayanne]

Originally posted by myankskent
So people are going to vote for Allison Mack for a teen choice award and then stop watching because they don't see a chlark promo? I don't buy that.


That isn't what I meant at all. The CW's marketing choice of not to promote the actress/most popular female character on Smallville - Allison Mack/Chloe - was not a smart business decision.

When something sells, you downplay it? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Ayanne
That isn't what I meant at all. The CW's marketing choice of not to promote the actress/most popular female character on Smallville - Allison Mack/Chloe - was not a smart business decision.

Who said was Chloe? It's the first time I heard such thing. Lana Lang, for the good and for the bad, is the most popular female character of Smallville.

[MidgardDragon]

Eh, looked like to me they just promoted what the episode was actually about. Chloe had very little screentime, the episode was about Clark getting out of The Phantom Zone and taking care of Zod, as well as what Zod did while he was on Earth (which included Lana), so that's what they promoted.

Now if only they had promoted what next week's episode is actually about, instead of showing us a Lexcentric promo. >_<

[Ayanne]

Originally posted by Timester
Who said was Chloe? It's the first time I heard such thing. Lana Lang, for the good and for the bad, is the most popular female character of Smallville.

Well, Allison Mack's Chloe won the teen choice award. Clark/Chloe won the best couple poll in TV-Guide. Not that I'm saying that is undeniable proof - but in context - those are indicators of the fact Chloe *IS* popular, at the very least.

And to deliberately choose not to promote AM/Chloe - is marketing stupidity - IMO.

[MidgardDragon]

I just thought of something. Chloe was featured in the Season 6 Promo. The scene from Vessel where Clark grabbed her and caught the car, as well as the scene from Zod where she introduced Jimmy Olsen.

[ajfinn]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
:lol:

the old shipper rating drop theory always makes me laugh.

I think there IS some validity to this theory. Since January, Smallville has ticked off a lot of fans of the most popular ships. Even more than Smallville being a story about superpowers, it is a story about relationships. It always has been, whether romantic or not.

These are the reasons I think there can be a legitimate argument made for ratings being related to relationships on Smallville:

Clana fans are upset right now because not only was the romance absolutely destroyed, but their friendship was as well. Along with that came an absolute massacre of both of the characters. The real Lana Lang doesn't exist in Smallville anymore. And Clark is at times rather annoying as well, IMO. I don't feel connected with either of those characters anymore :(

Chlark shippers have once again had the token carrot of hope dangled before them, only to have it pulled away with the maniacal laugher of tptb. Okay, we get it. Chloe deserves better than a guy who hasn't wanted her year after year, even when he could've at least given her a shot. And now, if he was to try, Chloe would know he was still pining for Lana, so that’s just wrong.

Lexana fanatics are like true animal activists—loud and proud, but few in number. (No offence to either group :D ) The powers that be are feeding candy to a small number of fans. Not only doesn't Lexana have a large fanbase, but it has a significant amount of people who absolutely despise the pairing.

Clois fans are many as a whole in Superman mythology, but not nearly significant enough on Smallville to be in the majority. Even after all the Clana angst and inconsistency last season, Clois still ranked below Clana in the K-site awards for favorite ship. That says something, I think.

So, the two least popular ships are getting the most attention on Smallville right now. Couple that with inconsistency a la Smallville style, and yes, I believe fans lose their patience and move on. I'm right on the verge, and this was my favorite show of all time.

It makes me sad :\

Long live all the Smallville ships . . . they add a lot of fun :)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Liriel
No, but casual fans who like Chloe are apt not to tune if they think she isn't going to have a storyline or much to do or be featured.

No, actually, I'll change my answer to "yes" - because voting is no work at all. It's not like they have to be rabid fans or go out of their way to vote. Just click a button on a website. Then it looks like (if you're a casual fan who just sees the promos and that's really it) that Chloe isn't around much or doing much in the next season, so you don't tune in.

IMO, I cannot understand how anyone would think that Chloe will not have a big role in season 6. She knows the truth about Clark, TPTB would never just fade Chloe into the background because of it. Perhaps her screentime will decrease compared to last season, but she'll still be a significant part of season 6. Also, as far as promotional schemes go, TPTB have never promoted Chloe for any season of Smallville. It's mainly just been Clark, Lana and Lex, with the exception coming this season because they have promoted Lois more.

[Liriel]

But for fans who go by promotion to tell them how much role she'll have, her role looks small. I mean, it diminished in part of season 2 there for a while, and after Pete knew the secret, his role didn't exactly grow.

I can certainly say that after seasons two and three I would have voted for AM, but I quit watching after both those seasons, and had to be drawn back in later (by "Rosetta" one time, and I think "Truth" the other)

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by ajfinn
I think there IS some validity to this theory. Since January, Smallville has ticked off a lot of fans of the most popular ships. Even more than Smallville being a story about superpowers, it is a story about relationships. It always has been, whether romantic or not.

These are the reasons I think there can be a legitimate argument made for ratings being related to relationships on Smallville:

Clana fans are upset right now because not only was the romance absolutely destroyed, but their friendship was as well. Along with that came an absolute massacre of both of the characters. The real Lana Lang doesn't exist in Smallville anymore. And Clark is at times rather annoying as well, IMO. I don't feel connected with either of those characters anymore :(

Chlark shippers have once again had the token carrot of hope dangled before them, only to have it pulled away with the maniacal laugher of tptb. Okay, we get it. Chloe deserves better than a guy who hasn't wanted her year after year, even when he could've at least given her a shot. And now, if he was to try, Chloe would know he was still pining for Lana, so that’s just wrong.

Lexana fanatics are like true animal activists—loud and proud, but few in number. (No offence to either group :D ) The powers that be are feeding candy to a small number of fans. Not only doesn't Lexana have a large fanbase, but it has a significant amount of people who absolutely despise the pairing.

Clois fans are many as a whole in Superman mythology, but not nearly significant enough on Smallville to be in the majority. Even after all the Clana angst and inconsistency last season, Clois still ranked below Clana in the K-site awards for favorite ship. That says something, I think.

So, the two least popular ships are getting the most attention on Smallville right now. Couple that with inconsistency a la Smallville style, and yes, I believe fans lose their patience and move on. I'm right on the verge, and this was my favorite show of all time.

It makes me sad :\

Long live all the Smallville ships . . . they add a lot of fun :)


What about those of us who don't care about ships? We are out there, you know. :p ;)

I'd say ratings went down after Reckoning because, frankly speaking, that episode SUCKED.

[emsfan]

Originally posted by ajfinn
I think there IS some validity to this theory. Since January, Smallville has ticked off a lot of fans of the most popular ships. Even more than Smallville being a story about superpowers, it is a story about relationships. It always has been, whether romantic or not.

These are the reasons I think there can be a legitimate argument made for ratings being related to relationships on Smallville:

Clana fans are upset right now because not only was the romance absolutely destroyed, but their friendship was as well. Along with that came an absolute massacre of both of the characters. The real Lana Lang doesn't exist in Smallville anymore. And Clark is at times rather annoying as well, IMO. I don't feel connected with either of those characters anymore :(

Chlark shippers have once again had the token carrot of hope dangled before them, only to have it pulled away with the maniacal laugher of tptb. Okay, we get it. Chloe deserves better than a guy who hasn't wanted her year after year, even when he could've at least given her a shot. And now, if he was to try, Chloe would know he was still pining for Lana, so that’s just wrong.

Lexana fanatics are like true animal activists—loud and proud, but few in number. (No offence to either group :D ) The powers that be are feeding candy to a small number of fans. Not only doesn't Lexana have a large fanbase, but it has a significant amount of people who absolutely despise the pairing.

Clois fans are many as a whole in Superman mythology, but not nearly significant enough on Smallville to be in the majority. Even after all the Clana angst and inconsistency last season, Clois still ranked below Clana in the K-site awards for favorite ship. That says something, I think.

So, the two least popular ships are getting the most attention on Smallville right now. Couple that with inconsistency a la Smallville style, and yes, I believe fans lose their patience and move on. I'm right on the verge, and this was my favorite show of all time.

It makes me sad :\

Long live all the Smallville ships . . . they add a lot of fun :)


Wow awesome post!!! I definitely agree with you!

[bad3appels]

Originally posted by Ayanne
Well, Allison Mack's Chloe won the teen choice award. Clark/Chloe won the best couple poll in TV-Guide. Not that I'm saying that is undeniable proof - but in context - those are indicators of the fact Chloe *IS* popular, at the very least.

And to deliberately choose not to promote AM/Chloe - is marketing stupidity - IMO.

she won as a side kick ...but lana can`t be in that category becouse she is one of the main character:cool:


Clark/Chloe won the best couple poll in TV-Guide
how can they won that,they never have been a couple to begin with??
maybe you mean that they won as the couple that people wants to see in the future :)

btw,i love chloe too,don`t attack me :rotfl:

[Spirit Detective]

The tv ratings seem stupid. Ugly Betty pwned Smallville? It just seems sickening. Maybe it was the retcon of Zod that detracted viewers or maybe it was because all the "soccer moms" viewed season 5 as morally evil and wanted their kids to watch family programming on ABC. I have to disagree with the way the ratings turned out.

[MidgardDragon]

To be fair, any one of the big three networks was going to pwn Smallville, that's how it always is. The CW just doesn't have the same number of households, so they'll never get those huge numbers, but for a new network, and having to overcome the stigma of some horrible launch advertising, it did quite well.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Ayanne
Well, Allison Mack's Chloe won the teen choice award. Clark/Chloe won the best couple poll in TV-Guide. Not that I'm saying that is undeniable proof - but in context - those are indicators of the fact Chloe *IS* popular, at the very least.

And to deliberately choose not to promote AM/Chloe - is marketing stupidity - IMO.

I think the problem that TPTB have with Chloe is that she's not a canon character, and therefore difficult to advertise. And now with the new CW network they really wanna attract new viewers, at all costs it seems. Due to their lack of SV-knowledge, these viewers will naturally expect Clark to fall for Lois, or at least Lana, two canon characters... That might certainly influence ratings and therefore the writing. It's sad for us Chlarkers, because, well, she's just perfect for him...

[enamored]

Let's face it, the WB was a network most closely associated with a youth audience. UPN was a network most closely associated with programming for the African-American audience. Both networks were essentially niche markets rather than the broad appeal market that the major networks are. In some ways this has worked to UPN and the WB's favor, in that they attracted groups of people who were being primarily overlooked by the other networks. In other ways those stereotypes kept away veiwers who might have tuned into the shows had they been aired on a major network. From things I have learned from being a part of the Kryptonsite community it is fairly obvious that those of us Smallville viewers over 30 are in a distinct minority. Many older viewers simply would not have even checked the show out simply because it was on the WB. That being said neither network had the resources both in money to spend on shows and advertising and number of stations to truly compete with the major networks.

JMO, but I also feel that the younger audience gets more caught up in shipping than an older audience would. From my perrspective, as great as Clark and Lana could be together it was unreasonable to get too attached to that pairing since they were clearly not fated to be together in the long run. We all know that Clark's destiny is Lois so why all the surprise, anger, dismay, "I'm never going to watch this show again" reaction to the end of something that was never meant to last and in fact lasted a pretty long time as it was.

The show is about so much more than love triangles and teenage relationships. I can't wait to see what they have in store for all the character.s

[DarkSolidus]

Originally posted by Spirit Detective
The tv ratings seem stupid. Ugly Betty pwned Smallville? It just seems sickening. Maybe it was the retcon of Zod that detracted viewers or maybe it was because all the "soccer moms" viewed season 5 as morally evil and wanted their kids to watch family programming on ABC. I have to disagree with the way the ratings turned out.

Honestly theres not much to disagree with, for like 2 seasons now smallville has become one of the most sense lacking shows on television, thats why the ratings are so bad that even a show named "ugly betty" can beat it.

Because they have no continuity, each episode is a new stupidness without consideration for what they did before, i mean where are these writers coming from?, its like the device used in the episode, it has the "S" instead of the "8", which was supposed to be the family crest but the writers make so little sense that they just changed it without explanation, now its "S".

Things like this are what make fans not want to watch this anymore, in the first seasons of the series the ratings had sky as the limit, now the series is barely staying a live, it basically needs a change of writers.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by canon
Vessel was watched by 4.58 million. "Zod" had 5.04 million viewers. 500K more viewers tuned in after Vessel. CW is not aired in Hawaii and some other states, I think.


Wow, that sucks, considering that Zod was about Clark being imprisoned and Zod running amuck, they only got 500k more people to watch to see what happens.

Well, depending on the repsonse that Zod got from those who saw it, we really have to wait for the ratings for #2 and #3 to see if people are tuning back in or if they are tuning out.

[Kreukie]

From my perrspective, as great as Clark and Lana could be together it was unreasonable to get too attached to that pairing since they were clearly not fated to be together in the long run. We all know that Clark's destiny is Lois so why all the surprise, anger, dismay, "I'm never going to watch this show again" reaction to the end of something that was never meant to last and in fact lasted a pretty long time as it was.

What you don't understand is Clana fans had hope that since this series is about Smallville, Clark Kent before Superman, Clark Kent before the Daily Planet, Clark Kent before falling for Lois Lane.

That they (Clana shippers) would get a full ride of Clana from beginning until the very bitter sweet end when they have to part and Clark has to move on to become what he’s meant to become.

Understand Clana shippers don't need the romance we just want the friendship and bond that due to last until adulthood between them to start happening now.

Not for both Clark and Lana to be in totally different worlds when this could may be the last season.

Also Clois happening now makes as much sense as Clana happening when Clark working at the Daily Planet.

This time in Clark's life Lana should be the main leading female to Clark Kent in everyway as she is in the comics since they're still in Smallville!

So this is why Clana fans are pissed.

They're pissed because Clois shippers had Lois & Clark, Clois shippers have Superman Returns, Clois shippers have basically every Superman outlet.

All Clana shippers ever had was Superboy the TV series and now Smallville and now we aren't even getting that because TPTB want to follow whatever hype Superman Returns got.

They started the series with Clana, they pulled us along with Clana, they kept us in until season five with Clana, now they except us to still want to watch after they end Clana on awful terms five seasons later and put the leading female with the bad guy of the story?

We know Clark ends up with Lois, but this is Smallville, not Lois&Clark or Superman Returns.

[enamored]

I see your point to a degree and I for the most part agree that Lois probably should never have come to Smallville (even though I like the character and ED).

I am not an expert on the mythos of Superman but were Clark and Lana actually together after high school ended? I know they stayed friendly but that she apparently ended up married to Pete. Additionally, were Clana shippers as mad about the whole Jason relationship as they seem to be about Lexana?

Hey, I'm not a shipper of any couple but I did think that Lana and Clark made a beautiful couple who had lots of chemistry together. It was fun watching it while it lasted but I'm willing to see where the show leads without hingeing my entire enjoyment of the show on one relationship. I can't say I'm a big fan of Lexana but it fits with how the show is being written at this point. I don't think it will last all that long as Lex slides deeper and deeper into the "dark side" and I think that Lana and Clark may eventually become friends again.

[Fly by guy]

The next episodes could tell us about numbers only in the short run. For those who don't think ships influence ratings they should check the shows that lead the ratings since season 3. Slumber, Devoted, and Reckoning. Lots of soap opera in those episodes.

If SV is a boat, then the ships that people watch determine where SV is a powerboat or a sailboat. If shippers are unhappy then it's time to get out the oars cause the boat is slowing down.

If having the PZ, Zod, and the possible death of all the characters on the show is not enough to draw fans back, then something has been possibly damaged beyond repair. I can't understand how the writers can proceed in the same direction (off coarse) and think that the fans will stick around because they bring in new guests. Wow, It really underwhelms me and I like the show, sometimes.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kreukie
We know Clark ends up with Lois, but this is Smallville, not Lois&Clark or Superman Returns.

No, it isn't, BUT is about the journey AND their journey is coming to its end. So, obviously, we are going to start getting more and more closer to the future. Think of season 6 (and probably 7) as Star Wars Episode 3, the bridge between the past and the future.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by enamored
I
I am not an expert on the mythos of Superman but were Clark and Lana actually together after high school ended?

No, they weren't together. Clark told Lana the night of their prom about himself, he took her flying and told her how he was leaving to do his travels, he even asks her to come with him, but she denies him and tells him he has to do it alone.

If Smallville followed canon, Lana would already know, Clark would be doing his travels and both would be going Chloe/Lois/Lex/Lionel who?

The canon Smallville characters were always Clark, Lana, Martha, Jonathan and Pete.


Additionally, were Clana shippers as mad about the whole Jason relationship as they seem to be about Lexana?

A lot didn't stop watching like they decided to do this season that's for sure!

Remember Jason was a shoe in to be written off, Lex isn't. :p


I think that Lana and Clark may eventually become friends again.

Clark and Lana are at the point in their relationship or lack of, on the series that it'll be so unbelievable to foresee them actually remaining close life long friends.

What reason would Lana or Clark have to remind friends when they never were really friends.

At least from Clark, he always wanted more from Lana from the very start.


Originally posted by Timester
No, it isn't, BUT is about the journey AND their journey is coming to its end. So, obviously, we are going to start getting more and more closer to the future. Think of season 6 (and probably 7) as Star Wars Episode 3, the bridge between the past and the future.

It's not the same, Clark doesn't become Superman (Darth Vader) right after he leaves Smallville, Clark doesn't work for the planet (death star) right when he leaves Smallville.

There's still a gap between Smallville and Daily Planet... in which there's no Lois Lane.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kreukie
It's not the same, Clark doesn't become Superman (Darth Vader) right after he leaves Smallville, Clark doesn't work for the planet (death star) right when he leaves Smallville.

Actually, Clark working on the Daily Planet (or Daily Star) does change through times. Only on Post-Crisis he travelled around the world. But my point is Episode III is the bridge between the past and the future. Anakin isn't Vader at the beginning, we slowly see the plan that the Chancellor did to become Emperor and finally corrupt Anakin and destroy the Jedi Order. It will be the same thing with season 6 and season 7. Or I hope so.


Originally posted by Kreukie
There's still a gap between Smallville and Daily Planet... in which there's no Lois Lane.

No, but with the introduction of Lois on Smallville, it changes the all-deal. I don't want Clois on Smallville, but I do understand the logic of slowly building-up it. After all, Clark instantly falls in love with her when they meet up at the Daily Planet. The only logical solution to have a similiar set-up is to have Clark slowly falling up with her now.

[jimmyolsenblues]

the fact is the ratings are down from last year. there is no upn vs wb, so we should have done even better then last year and we didn't. an argument could be made that viewers got sick of Lana+Lex love affair.

[Timester]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
the fact is the ratings are down from last year. there is no upn vs wb, so we should have done even better then last year and we didn't. an argument could be made that viewers got sick of Lana+Lex love affair.

Or that many doesn't have CW yet.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Timester
Or that many doesn't have CW yet.

Aren't you always the one saying, the only excuse for ratings to be low is bad storytelling? ;)

[MidgardDragon]

Nothing wrong with changing your mind for a valid reason, Kreukie. :) Timester's definitely right here, The CW has taken Smallville out of lots of households, ratings will logically be effected by that.

[joesmallville]

Final number actually ended up being 4.96 million viewers

Anyway, here is how the season premieres of the top 4 CW shows did

1. Top Model- 5.14

2. Smallville - 4.96

3. Gimore Girls - 4.48

4. 7th Heaven - 4.19


Smallville was the most watched show of the week for the CW with Top Model second at 4.68 million viewers.

[Timester]

5.00 million then.

[canon]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Aren't you always the one saying, the only excuse for ratings to be low is bad storytelling? ;)


Hypnotic = bad storytelling


ZOD= Excellent episode. CW is not available in several states yet, hopefully they can resolve this issue soon. Let's wait and see if ratings improve before the year ends before we say that Smallville is losing viewers. Rating for all shows on CW (w/the exception of America's Top Mode, I believe) were down from last season's premier.

[tmkfan]

Oh god, *gags* while listening to your excuses of the low ratings, Supernatural did better in demos than last year, ANTM did better than their ratings from last year, then SVL did worse in every single way, and you guys are telling me it's cuz of the CW merging? pffft, the fact that the ratings are so low, its cuz the shows on the CW right now suck. The CW promoted the channel like crazy, they had interviews on every single channel, they had those big ass ads everywhere, I dont think anyone "couldnt" find the channel. Its a really big coincidence that the ratings suck when the storylines couldnt suck more right¡? umm

The fact is, ratings have been horrible since Hypnotic last year, whereas is the Lexana starting, the Clana dying, or simply because the plots sucked so much ppl couldnt bare to stick around, and they didnt come back for Zod. Now you can't give me the excuse that Superman crap bring on ratings, that Clex bring ratings, even that Clois does, cuz clearly they dont.

Isnt it a coincidence that S4 (barely any clana) a lot of Chlark, Clois sucked in ratings so friggin much?! And S5 wasnt any better plots talking, the only reason I even liked the first eps was cuz of Clana hooking up, but both seasons have sucked, yet S5 god better ratings, uh, I wonder why.

Oh i can hardly wait for tomorrows night ratings!! *squeeeee*

Oh and to the Chlark fans complaining.. wasn't Chlark pimped in Vessel? didnt you guys get the booklet of the S5 dvd picture? Doesn't Chloe know his secret and does everything for him? How the heck can you still complain about it. ANY Smallville fan knows already Chloes gonna be a big part of every episode just cuz she knows Clark secret, so saying that Chlark not being pimped in Zod is the reason the ratings sucked, is really really hilarious.

Really dudes, stop complaining, Chloe gets all the glory and Lana gets nothing, we'd take the Chlark relationship right now over the horrible Clana situation we've got any moment.

[Ares]

They should move it back to Wednesday nights. So your not going against the best show on tv The Office . An it would work out best its a lot more fun to say Watch a Fresh new episode of Smallville this wedensday on the CW. instead of thursdays.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

The simple reason why many people I know have stopped watching Smallville:

Tired of waiting.

You can only dick-around so much before people decide that its not going anywhere.

[Timester]

Originally posted by tmkfan
Oh god, *gags* while listening to your excuses of the low ratings, Supernatural did better in demos than last year, ANTM did better than their ratings from last year, then SVL did worse in every single way, and you guys are telling me it's cuz of the CW merging? pffft, the fact that the ratings are so low, its cuz the shows on the CW right now suck. The CW promoted the channel like crazy, they had interviews on every single channel, they had those big ass ads everywhere, I dont think anyone "couldnt" find the channel. Its a really big coincidence that the ratings suck when the storylines couldnt suck more right¡? umm

You want an excuse? All 500 thousand Clana fans boycotted Smallville, since last year's premiere was around 5.5 million. That's right, because according to your theory, Smallville had 500 thousand Clana fans. You still want to keep that theory and admit that the Clana fans are less than 10% of the viewers?

[tmkfan]

Im sorry, but last yrs premiere had 5.9 million viewers and this one had 4.9 so get your facts straight for starters.

And not all Clana fans stopped watching, God knows why but some people are still watching, for whatever reason, but that doesnt mean theyre not Clana fans.

God, when the day comes when Superman junkies accept that as sad as it is Smallville is more about the couples that involves the show than the mythos, Ill be a happy camper.

Im not even gonna argue with you cuz you really have no other argument than that "a lot of ppl didnt get the CW" crap, so im just gonna come here on Friday and lmao at the lousy ratings tmrws episode is gonna get.

[Timester]

Arrival - 5.74 millions
Smallville - 4.96 millions

750 thousand, 13% drop.

You can't have both, or the Clana fans are only 13% of the fanbase or Smallville was the 2nd more watched CW show last week, suffering from the fact of being a new network and two states (Hawaii and Alaska) didn't got it.

[jack1487]

The CW did not promote SV where I live and the few ads that I saw where poorly done. They need to get that green color out of their..

Also the CW did not sign on until 9/18/06 in my area which leaves me to think that a lot of people did not get to see it, MHP. But I TiVoed it and also my Direct TV DVR recorded it. I am not sure that the Direct TV DVR was reported to anyone I think not..

So their are a lot of us out there that do not seem to get counted. Anyway I will still watch it each week as I like this show. Also I am one of those of the older group (68) and we know something about Superman.

Oh, one more thing yes Lois Lane was in Smallville back in the 1948 issue #128 and Lana Lang was Clark's girlfriend in high school but after he left they were just friends...

Have a great day!!!

Jack

[tmkfan]

Originally posted by Timester
Arrival - 5.74 millions
Smallville - 4.96 millions

750 thousand, 13% drop.

You can't have both, or the Clana fans are only 13% of the fanbase or Smallville was the 2nd more watched CW show last week, suffering from the fact of being a new network and two states (Hawaii and Alaska) didn't got it.

Arrival had 5.9 millions, at least from the LA times ratings or whatever.

And excuse me but why can't i have it both ways? So Clana fans are not allowed to watch the show now cuz some of us arent?¡ please, Clana fans are watching cuz of KK, TW, and could be watching for a thousand more reasons. Some of them actually watch the show for what it is, not only for Clana like me.

Ok so Zod had 5 millions, OK it happened cuz they didnt get the CW in a lot of places. Let's see how tomorrow goes, since the bar is set to 5 as to the ppl who got to watch it :rolleyes: , if it goes down to 4.5 or 4 you cant use that argument again, I just hope you get that.

[Timester]

Originally posted by tmkfan
Ok so Zod had 5 millions, OK it happened cuz they didnt get the CW in a lot of places. Let's see how tomorrow goes, since the bar is set to 5 as to the ppl who got to watch it :rolleyes: , if it goes down to 4.5 or 4 you cant use that argument again, I just hope you get that.

What argument? Is a cold hard fact. Even the fact that Smallville was the second most watched CW show last week should give you a hint. Or the Clana is so powerfull that makes suffer all from WB/UPN shows? :rolleyes:

[tmkfan]

So what? The fact that SVL got the best ratings in the CW tells u a lot? When all the other show got awful ratings too? jeez

im just saying, when tmrws ep gets ratings even lower than 5 you cant say its cuz people didnt got the channel!

7th heaven lost a million viewers over the week and they cant blame it on ppl not getting the channel.

Ill just wait to see what you come up for tomorrows ratings. *rolls eyes*

[Timester]

Originally posted by tmkfan
So what? The fact that SVL got the best ratings in the CW tells u a lot? When all the other show got awful ratings too? jeez

im just saying, when tmrws ep gets ratings even lower than 5 you cant say its cuz people didnt got the channel!

7th heaven lost a million viewers over the week and they cant blame it on ppl not getting the channel.

Ill just wait to see what you come up for tomorrows ratings. *rolls eyes*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myside_bias

[tmkfan]

hahahaha very funny.

So I went and saw that GG ratings actually improved from last weeks lousy ratings, let's see if SVL does the same ;).

If it does you can say whatever you want about me being bias. :)

[Best Episode - 321]

I got this from a supernatural site I vist. Thought it would be helpful to those that think Clana caused the ratings drop.



Smallville and Supernatural were competitive with many markets missing because of the disagreements between CW and the local cable companies. For anyone freaked out about the ratings, here is a list of affiliates compiled from wikipedia, and my own perusing of the CW boards, of cities that do not have CW. With the exception of El Paso and a few cities in Montana, almost all of them got the WB last year. These are the cities where people couldn't watch Smallvile or Supernatural unless they bought a digital television and picked it up on a subchannel out of another city:

The state of Hawaii
Juneau, Alaska
Fairbanks, Alaska
Anchorage, Alaska
Butte/Bozeman, Montana
Billings, Montana
Missoula Montana
Great Falls, Montana
Fort Smith, Arkansas
El Paso, Texas
Amarillo, Texas
Corpus Christi, Texas
Sweetwater/Abilene, Texas
Laredo, Texas
Wichita Falls, TX/Lawton, OK
Sherman, TX/Ada, OK
Montrose/Grand Junction, Colorade
Monterrey/Salinas, California
Bend, Oregon
Medford/Klamath Falls, Oregon
Topeka, Kansas
Charlottsville, Virginia
Harrisonburg, Virginia
Charleston, South Carolina
New Bern, North Carolina
Cincinnati, Ohio
Gainesville, Florida
Panama City, Florida
Meridian, Mississippi
Tupelo, Mississippi
Grand Rapids/Battle Creek/Kalamazoo, Michigan.


Thanks to galveston for compilying the list.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
Topeka, Kansas

No SV in Kansas, that's classic...
:lol:

[Luthorism]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
No SV in Kansas, that's classic...
:lol:
Nice catch :lol:

My rating would be 9 out of 10..

It was a pretty fast and nice episode..40 minutes were just like a minute for me!

[fash292]

GD news for SV ratings they were the highest on the CW Network!!! FOR ZOD!!!

Smallville 4.960 million
America's Next Top Model 4.680 million
Gilmore Girls 4.480 million
7th Heaven 4.190 million (big drop from fast nationals)
Smackdown 3.980 million
Supernatural 3.930 million
One Tree Hill 3.440 million
Girlfriends 2.740 million
The Game 2.60 million
Everybody Hates Chris 2.440 million
ANTM encore 2.43 million
All of Us 2.30 million
Runaway 2.180 million
Runaway encore 1.650 million"

[Naman is 1#]

SV is already better than any show on the CW(IMO) reguardless of the ratings and was the best when its was on the WB too.:D

[superhippie2000]

ya im wondering how it did this week tho i know it went down a bit. but all the others may have to seeing how its playoff season and peple rather watch those cause smallville has repeats and dvd releases. but its nice to see smallville is the CWs number 1 show. i also like supernaturals ratings. not that high but it beats a couple shows thats been on more seasons and berat shows that are just starting or are in the second season too.