KSite Bookclub

[yellowqueen22]

Just putting the feelers out right now. Is anyone interested in starting a ksite bookclub? Basically reading a book a month (or whatever time period we decide) and then discussing it here.

Let me know what you think!!!

[rae19780625]

Hi Jennifer, if I may call you so. :) I think it's a great idea and I'm very much interested in it. I've never been part of a book club, though I've always wanted to be. :)

[yellowqueen22]

Of course you may call me Jennifer, it's my name... :D

Thanks for the feedback. If there are a few interested people, then we can hopefully get the ball rolling sometime in August. I'm just waiting to see if there is an interest.

[Ketchup]

Sure, let's do it =)

[Totalclanafan614]

Sounds like a good idea.
Im in! :D

[yellowqueen22]

k... well it seems like there is enough interest to do something. Right now I'm about to sit for the Bar Exam... but as soon as that is over next weekend, I'll come up with a plan and perhaps pick a book.

Do you guys prefer popular fiction or classics or a mix of both???

[Shadowlord367]

Id love to expand my horizons. whatever you want

[Tabbymarie]

lol oh please let it be the same book we do in our real-person book club :-p

[rae19780625]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
k... well it seems like there is enough interest to do something. Right now I'm about to sit for the Bar Exam... but as soon as that is over next weekend, I'll come up with a plan and perhaps pick a book.

Do you guys prefer popular fiction or classics or a mix of both???
I really don't mind... I could read either :)

[gloria]

hey am in! :)

am always looking for new books to read.

well i need to expand my horizons, i always find myself buying the same type of books :\

[Angel_Eyes]

I would love to be a part of a book club! I'm always reading- talking about the books sounds like fun.

[rae19780625]

Jennifer, BTW, I love your avi and your user text... very cool... I recently watched that movie (and bought it) and I must say it's awesome... hope you return soon so that we may begin our reading ;)

[RedPhoenix23]

Depends on the book, I am really picky.

[AshRose62]

Defenetly interested! :)

[yellowqueen22]

K. I guess what I'll do is try to alternate between a variety of picks. Please let me know if you have any suggestion... otherwise it will simply be what I decide to read... LOL!!!

Drumroll please!!!!!! Our first book will be "Choke" written by Chuck Palahniuk.

Chuck Palahniuk is also the author of Fight Club and he has been recommended to me by several people... so I decided to give it a try.

What date would you like to begin discussing??? Do we want a book per month or every other week???

[rae19780625]

Hmmm... I don't mind either way... I have plenty of time to read... I'll go with the majority... :p

[<Adam Knight>]

i would love to be in the bookclib...but i dont know if ill have time to read the books in time lol

[yellowqueen22]

I want to give everyone a chance to purchase the book and read it... so let's begin discussion on Sunday, October 1st. From this point on I'll pick the next book & post it on the 1st of the month and we will begin discussion of the current book on the first.

October 1st - Choke by Chuck Palahniuk

[<Adam Knight>]

sounds long enough for me to read...but first i have to finish summer reading lol ill try my best to read :D

[*And he shall fly*]

kool just saw this thread.....ill be sure to get the book asap!:D

[gloria]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
I want to give everyone a chance to purchase the book and read it... so let's begin discussion on Sunday, October 1st. From this point on I'll pick the next book & post it on the 1st of the month and we will begin discussion of the current book on the first.

October 1st - Choke by Chuck Palahniuk

cool :)

[yellowqueen22]

Is everyone finding the book OK???

[<Adam Knight>]

aww i cant read this time around...i have alot of school work :( maybe next time

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
I want to give everyone a chance to purchase the book and read it... so let's begin discussion on Sunday, October 1st. From this point on I'll pick the next book & post it on the 1st of the month and we will begin discussion of the current book on the first.

October 1st - Choke by Chuck Palahniuk

Score! I've been meaning to read that but I can't ever remember to grab it while at the library or bookstore, now I have motivation. :p

[Shadowlord367]

Im ganna have to skip this time around. ill be there next month!

[yellowqueen22]

I haven't picked the next book as of yet. I'm just wondering if anyone is still interested in the book club. It doesn't seem as if anyone read this month's book. Should I keep picking books or should we call it quits???

[Shadowlord367]

Maybe try pushing it towards november? Or pick a new book? Im not sure Id do it im just in the middle of twilight right now [[recommends it]]

[rae19780625]

I'm sorry, Jennifer... I was the first to respond when you first posted... lately a lot has been going on over here, in the process of getting ready to move by Thanksgiving and I haven't been motivated to read... I hope it works out for you and those interested though... I might be able to at a later date..

[yellowqueen22]

If anyone is still interested in this, then let me know. Otherwise I think I'll let this idea die.

[Shadowlord367]

still interested!

[smallvilleobsessor17]

I'm definitely interested as well!

[Angellegna]

I love to read! I'll read anything! I'm definately interested!

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

Sounds great I love reading

[Angellegna]

Me too, what's the next book?

[kia]

October? That's two months from now. Isn't that a bit long to read a book?

/grumble grumble.


anyway, some books I'd like to suggest are

"A long way down" by nick Hornby. Basically 4 people decide to kill themselves news years day. They accidently meet and... well... they don't wind up dead. If you like High Fidelity or About a boy then You'll like this book, and it tackles lots of subjects from depression, to the media, angels, etc.

Persepolis: a story of an Iranian childhood. I recommend this book because its topical, We hear so much about the evil Iranians, I think it'd be interesting to see what life is like from their perspective. Its also a graphic novel, so its really easy to read.


Anyone have any other suggestions?

Is it ok if we start the discussion early?

[thmallville]

:rolleyes: Why don't we all decide on a book first, instead of you just picking one. And why don't we let everyone read the decided book first before discussion, so no one gets spoiler-ed.

I'd love to join!

[MidgardDragon]

Did anyone even ever discuss Choke? If not we could still try to do it. I've already read it and I'm sure a bunch of others have to.

If not I'd like to suggest either Invisible Monsters or Fight Club. Yeah, I'm a Chuck fanatic.

[jim mayniam]

absolutely...sounds like an awesome idea :)

[Wicked Lois]

oi?

[Mercy_Mermaid]

I'm interested. Sounds like a great idea.

[BohoRoohaha]

Hey is this club still kickin it around.... can I still join or has it joined the ashy tomb that is the fortress of solitude ( meaning it hasn't gotten a lot of facetime recently) ...and cqn I suggest for consideration

The book thief by marks zukas (sp?)
The house of the scorpion by nancy farmer

Both are worth checking out at least and they wont take long to read. And are pretty discussable.

[pizzahead2490]

I really think we should do a book club. I am for sure up for it!

[BohoRoohaha]

Wait... are you a Clark/ Granny shipper thats just gross :)

Anyways, so what are the parameters. Do it by month.? March just started so if you're up pick a book and let's do it.

[pizzahead2490]

Yes I am a Clannier :p Get with the magic Missy :p

What book do you want to do? I think we should make a list of books we want to read.

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I am going to make a list of 10 books I want to read. I encourage everyone to make a list of 10 as well.

[pizzahead2490]

Top 10 books I would like to read (In no particular order)


1. Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain (Can you believe that I never read this? Shame on me!)
2. LOLITA by Vladimir Nabokov
3. THE GRAPES OF WRATH by John Steinbeck
4. BRIDESHEAD REVISITED by Evelyn Waugh
5.THE SATANIC VERSES by Salman Rushdie
6. Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
7. Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
8. The Time Traveler’s Wife by Audrey Niffenegger
9. Interview with the Vampire by Anne Rice
10. A collection of short stories by Edgar Allan Poe (He's my favorite author but I have not read more than three things he has written)

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Bonus: The Great Expectations by Charles Dickens

[Dr. Blade]

Hey! Yeahhhh Book Club!!!!!! I love reading! :D

I like some of those books you mentioned Kay- I even have read a few of them. I'm reading Between A Rock and Hard Place right now, Aron Ralston's memoir, but I'm pretty open to suggestions.

[pizzahead2490]

I see that you're reading quite a few books right now. Is there anyone in particular you like the best?

I think from out of my list I really want to read, THE GRAPES OF WRATH by John Steinbeck or The Great Expectations by Charles Dickens

[Dr. Blade]

I see that you're reading quite a few books right now. Is there anyone in particular you like the best?

I think from out of my list I really want to read, THE GRAPES OF WRATH by John Steinbeck or The Great Expectations by Charles Dickens

No, not reading, just have read quite a few. I'm only reading Ralston's book right now.

As far as favorites go, I'm going to have to weigh in with Ender's Game- possibly The Hunger Games. I also really enjoyed the Uglies series but that may not be everyone's cup of tea. I've always been curious about The Grapes of Wrath.

I'd like to read The Odyssey... Pathfinder... Girl With the Dragon Tattoo... But like I said, I'm pretty much open to everything. :D

[pizzahead2490]

The Odyssey is brilliant!

I have also been interested in reading The girl with Dragon Tattoo. I heard that book was pretty good.

[starflower69]

Fab, I love reading! I'd be happy to join in. I'm reading at the moment 'Our Tragic Universe' by Scarlett Thomas. I don't like Charles Dickens (sorry Kay) Personal taste and such ;) but I've not read 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.' That could be a good one to start with, I've heard it's good. I also love to read Sci-Fi and books that are not in any particular category, so most of the books I read nobody's ever heard of. I love going to second hand shops and browsing through the book section and I could spend hours in a library. On my to do list is a visit to the British Library.

[SleepingBeauty]

I want to join the club..:)

[pizzahead2490]

Fab, I love reading! I'd be happy to join in. I'm reading at the moment 'Our Tragic Universe' by Scarlett Thomas. I don't like Charles Dickens (sorry Kay) Personal taste and such ;) but I've not read 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.' That could be a good one to start with, I've heard it's good. I also love to read Sci-Fi and books that are not in any particular category, so most of the books I read nobody's ever heard of. I love going to second hand shops and browsing through the book section and I could spend hours in a library. On my to do list is a visit to the British Library.

You don't like Dickens :eek:


So we have the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo nominated to be read.
Do we have any other books?

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I want to join the club..:)

The more the merrier. What are some books you would like to read.

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Also two people wants to read, The Grapes of Wrath

[starflower69]

You don't like Dickens :eek:


So we have the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo nominated to be read.
Do we have any other books?

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The more the merrier. What are some books you would like to read.

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Also two people wants to read, The Grapes of Wrath


I don't mind what we read as long as there's a mix between old and new fiction :) I love the Brontes and Shakespeare

I wouldn't mind reading

White Fang - Jack London
Animal Farm - George Orwell
The Time Machine - HG Wells
Mr Nice - Howard Marks
The Three Musketeers - A Dumas
The Mill on the Floss - George Eliot

[pizzahead2490]

I don't mind what we read as long as there's a mix between old and new fiction :) I love the Brontes and Shakespeare

I wouldn't mind reading

White Fang - Jack London
Animal Farm - George Orwell
The Time Machine - HG Wells
Mr Nice - Howard Marks
The Three Musketeers - A Dumas
The Mill on the Floss - George Eliot

I am with you. I want a good mixing of old and new, especially old :p

From your list I wouldn't mind reading Animal Farm again even though I read in High school but I do recalled I liked it a lot. Although, if I had to choose my favorite book from Orwell it would be 1984, which I read at least twice a year.

I would also like to sink my feet in with some George Eliot. I have read only her poetry so I would be interested in reading her stories.

[starflower69]

I am with you. I want a good mixing of old and new, especially old :p

From your list I wouldn't mind reading Animal Farm again even though I read in High school but I do recalled I liked it a lot. Although, if I had to choose my favorite book from Orwell it would be 1984, which I read at least twice a year.

I would also like to sink my feet in with some George Eliot. I have read only her poetry so I would be interested in reading her stories.


I've read Animal Farm a long time ago and I really enjoyed it but I would love to read it again. I've not read any Orwell and I've always wanted to I've just never got around to reading any. I've seen adaptations of George Eliot's books on tv and really enjoyed them so it would be nice to read some of her work

[pizzahead2490]

Animal Farm is from George Orwell
But his best book in my honest opinion is 1984.

[starflower69]

Animal Farm is from George Orwell
But his best book in my honest opinion is 1984.

:lol: I meant since reading Animal Farm :rotfl: What's 1984 about?

[pizzahead2490]

:lol: I meant since reading Animal Farm :rotfl: What's 1984 about?

Okay gotcha! :lol:

1984 is like an Alternative Universe in what George Orwell felt the year would be like if the world continued to go down the path it did. He wrote this book during World War 2 I think.

This book actually came up with the phrase "Big Brother is watching." Rightfully so becuase the government has basically taken over and the world is split up into three sections that has continuous wars (or so the government say). The story takes place in one of those section called, Oceanian. This section has a party where most of the citizen work in and they basically mind control them in order for them to obey. The main character Winston, will try to break free from this system by joining a rebellion and you will see how that urns out when you read it.

The summary from Wiki
Nineteen Eighty-Four (sometimes written 1984) is a 1949 novel that reflects a dystopia by George Orwell about an oligarchical, collectivist society. Life in the Oceanian province of Airstrip One is a world of perpetual war, pervasive government surveillance, and incessant public mind control. The individual is always subordinated to the state, and it is in part this philosophy which allows the Party to manipulate and control humanity. In the Ministry of Truth, protagonist Winston Smith is a civil servant responsible for perpetuating the Party's propaganda by revising historical records to render the Party omniscient and always correct, yet his meagre existence disillusions him to the point of seeking rebellion against Big Brother, eventually leading to his arrest, torture, and reconversion.

[starflower69]

Okay gotcha! :lol:

1984 is like an Alternative Universe in what George Orwell felt the year would be like if the world continued to go down the path it did. He wrote this book during World War 2 I think.

This book actually came up with the phrase "Big Brother is watching." Rightfully so becuase the government has basically taken over and the world is split up into three sections that has continuous wars (or so the government say). The story takes place in one of those section called, Oceanian. This section has a party where most of the citizen work in and they basically mind control them in order for them to obey. The main character Winston, will try to break free from this system by joining a rebellion and you will see how that urns out when you read it.

The summary from Wiki




No happy ending in this book then? It sounds very much like what's going on today with Communism in China and Russia, the Secret Police could be Big Brother. It sounds like it's a good read.

I think my Sister-in-Law has a copy, I'll have to borrow it. Because I'm always updating my self for work, I don't read for pleasure much anymore. Reading Nursing Journals and policies and clinical practice is mostly my bed time reading . I was only thinking a couple of days ago that I need to finish the book I'm reading now so that I can start something else

[pizzahead2490]

No happy ending in this book then? It sounds very much like what's going on today with Communism in China and Russia, the Secret Police could be Big Brother. It sounds like it's a good read.

I think my Sister-in-Law has a copy, I'll have to borrow it. Because I'm always updating my self for work, I don't read for pleasure much anymore. Reading Nursing Journals and policies and clinical practice is mostly my bed time reading . I was only thinking a couple of days ago that I need to finish the book I'm reading now so that I can start something else

It is a great read.

I understand that reading in your professional studies is vital. Thankfully, I am majoring in Creative Writing so I am doing just that.

[starflower69]

It is a great read.

I understand that reading in your professional studies is vital. Thankfully, I am majoring in Creative Writing so I am doing just that.


Wow, so you can read all the time and do it for pleasure and for studies. What sort of Creative Writing are you studying? When I think of Creative Writing I have an image of it being quite Arty

[pizzahead2490]

Wow, so you can read all the time and do it for pleasure and for studies. What sort of Creative Writing are you studying? When I think of Creative Writing I have an image of it being quite Arty

I am focusing mainly on fiction but I think I may dabble in some poetry. We write short stories in almost every class :lol:

[starflower69]

I am focusing mainly on fiction but I think I may dabble in some poetry. We write short stories in almost every class :lol:

Does your lecturer give you ideas or do you have to decide what to write about? How many short stories have you written :lol: You could have written a book instead :lol:

[pizzahead2490]

Does your lecturer give you ideas or do you have to decide what to write about? How many short stories have you written :lol: You could have written a book instead :lol:

Well...in the introduction class they gave us ideas but since I am in the intermediate class, no. We go over the principals of good story writing, along with literary elements and we use those as a guide to do our work. Because a writer's review on a story is much different from a readers one.

We read a lot in the class as well. In order to become great novelist we have to get inspiration from the greats themselves.

[starflower69]

Well...in the introduction class they gave us ideas but since I am in the intermediate class, no. We go over the principals of good story writing, along with literary elements and we use those as a guide to do our work. Because a writer's review on a story is much different from a readers one.

We read a lot in the class as well. In order to become great novelist we have to get inspiration from the greats themselves.

Your studies sound interesting. I don't know if I'd have the patience to read books that I ddin't really want to read. Such as Dickens. H

Whose your favourite classic author? Mine would have to be one of the Brontes, I've read Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre countless times that I've worn the books out.

[pizzahead2490]

Your studies sound interesting. I don't know if I'd have the patience to read books that I ddin't really want to read. Such as Dickens. H

Whose your favourite classic author? Mine would have to be one of the Brontes, I've read Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre countless times that I've worn the books out.

George Orwell and Edgar Allan Poe. Poe is marvelous and he is exactly the type of writer I aspire to be. His use of language captivates the reader without sounding forced.

I also love Virginia Woolf. Woolf excels in the stream of consciousness that I have never seen in any other writer before.

[starflower69]

I've tried reading Virginia Woolf, I started reading Mrs Dalloway but gave up as I couldn't bear the psychological damage that she inflicted upon me. It wasn't a pleasant reading experience and I don't think I'd have the capacity for reading any of her other works. It's a good job literature is so varied and that we all have different likes and dislikes as that's what makes reading so subjective

[pizzahead2490]

I am pretty open in what I read and authors. I try to have an open mind but not everything is a work of art, no matter how much you put it in perspective.

[Terrific_T]

Hey, a book club! Awesome! :D

Also, I will chime in and say that Wuthering Heights is definitely one of my favorite books ever!

I also love Catcher In the Rye and Alice's Adventures in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass. :)

[starflower69]

Hey, a book club! Awesome! :D

Also, I will chime in and say that Wuthering Heights is definitely one of my favorite books ever!

I also love Catcher In the Rye and Alice's Adventures in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass. :)

Hi Terrific_T, you've got good taste, Wuthering Heights is a brilliant book, Heathcliff is an amazing character who brings brooding to a whole new level :lol:

Catcher in the Rye is on my to read list oneday

[wellinglover66]

It's been awhile since high school.:lol: I love Pride and Prejudice, Gone with the Wind and I actually read The Lord of the Rings (a very difficult read, but enthralling).

[starflower69]

It's been awhile since high school.:lol: I love Pride and Prejudice, Gone with the Wind and I actually read The Lord of the Rings (a very difficult read, but enthralling).

Hi Maria, :) I love Pride and Prejudice as well, Mr Darcy is just the most dashing man in fictional classics ever. I love Lord of the Rings as well. Tolkien created an amazing world within his books and I've just started reading them to my son.

[wellinglover66]

Hi Maria, :) I love Pride and Prejudice as well, Mr Darcy is just the most dashing man in fictional classics ever. I love Lord of the Rings as well. Tolkien created an amazing world within his books and I've just started reading them to my son.

I admit that I first saw the BBC production with Colin Firth and I fell in love with the story.:p With LOTR, I'm surprised I read all of it, it was one lengthy book.:lol:

[starflower69]

I admit that I first saw the BBC production with Colin Firth and I fell in love with the story.:p With LOTR, I'm surprised I read all of it, it was one lengthy book.:lol:

Colin was brilliant as Mr Darcy. Oh when he swam in the lake and came out dripping wet :p He was one of my first girl crushes and for me he is the best Mr Darcy ever

[wellinglover66]

^^I drooled so much...I have that on video cassette. I really need to get that on DVD.:lol:

[starflower69]

^^I drooled so much...I have that on video cassette. I really need to get that on DVD.:lol:

I have it on video as well. I'd love to watch that scene in HD ;)

[Dr. Blade]

I liked A Tale of Two Cities, and 1984. 1984 was way better than Animal Farm imo. :D

I would have to nominate Girl with the Dragon Tattoo honestly. ;)

[BohoRoohaha]

oh wow this took off! awesome! I'm all for Girl With the Dragon Tattoo...or a Shakespeare play since it will be shorter and can be discussed sooner. I'm also up for "Time Traveler's Wife"

Ender's Game is also one of my favorite books of all time too! Woot!

[starflower69]

I'm up for reading 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo' How long are we going to wait to decide when to start reading or do we want to wait and see if anyone else is interested in joining? Should we also take it in turns to choose a book for everyone to read as then it would make it easier to keep the thread going. We could put everyones names in alphabetical order and then just go down the list. I think I'll change my name to Alice :lol:

[BohoRoohaha]

I think if we wait too long the thread will die that seems to be the trend. Do you want to start it now since its sort of the beginning of the month. It also depends if people can get the book. Costco sells it cheap, I know. I like the alphabetical idea. lets do it. I'm currently working my way through "The Name of the Wind' and don't know if I can dedicate myself to two books at once but i'll give it a shot.

Also how long do people need before we can discuss it or do you want to discuss as we go along?

[pizzahead2490]

I am all for the Girl with the dragon Tattoo.

So, sometime in April we are going to discuss the book.

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April what?

[BohoRoohaha]

Well let's give ppl. A few days to obtain the book ... so say April 15th. Make it sort of even. I think it'd be nice to also talk about it during too... but just to us spoiler tags. What do you think?

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I liked A Tale of Two Cities, and 1984. 1984 was way better than Animal Farm imo. :D

I would have to nominate Girl with the Dragon Tattoo honestly. ;)

I never read Animal Farm, however I did read 1984. It was interesting. I liked it. Much better than the other book I had to read... Heart of Darkness. It was hard to get through.


I'm up for reading 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo' How long are we going to wait to decide when to start reading or do we want to wait and see if anyone else is interested in joining? Should we also take it in turns to choose a book for everyone to read as then it would make it easier to keep the thread going. We could put everyones names in alphabetical order and then just go down the list. I think I'll change my name to Alice :lol:

I'm interested in joining. I'm up for anything to do with reading. I love reading. I go to Chapters and I sit down and read books when I have some off time. Which is great because I can read pretty quickly so I can have a book done in an hour. :)

[pizzahead2490]

Well let's give ppl. A few days to obtain the book ... so say April 15th. Make it sort of even. I think it'd be nice to also talk about it during too... but just to us spoiler tags. What do you think?

I think that would be nice to talk about it during as well using spoiler tags. However I think at the top of the spoiler you must say what chapter you're discussing... for example.

Chapter 1
I thought this sucked!

Chapter 2
That was lovely.

etc

[BohoRoohaha]

Welcome aboard chlarkfan!

I've read both 1984 and animal farm. They were both good. I think I might have liked 1984 better but its so long since I've read it. I love dystopian society stuff. Have you read anthem by ayn rynd. That's a great one.

[pizzahead2490]

Welcome aboard chlarkfan!

I've read both 1984 and animal farm. They were both good. I think I might have liked 1984 better but its so long since I've read it. I love dystopian society stuff. Have you read anthem by ayn rynd. That's a great one.

1984 was wonderful and I certainly would not mind reading it again since I read it twice a year anyways :p

You can't help but feel for the main character in the story.

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I also like the idea of someone picking a book every month instead of brainstorming books. It goes a lot faster that way.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Welcome aboard chlarkfan!

I've read both 1984 and animal farm. They were both good. I think I might have liked 1984 better but its so long since I've read it. I love dystopian society stuff. Have you read anthem by ayn rynd. That's a great one.

I haven't.

I haven't been able to read books more suited for adults. Which I should, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

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1984 was wonderful and I certainly would not mind reading it again since I read it twice a year anyways :p

You can't help but feel for the main character in the story.

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I also like the idea of someone picking a book every month instead of brainstorming books. It goes a lot faster that way.

Wow Kay... I feel like I should be the last one to pick a book.. because I have no idea. :lol:

[pizzahead2490]

I haven't.

I haven't been able to read books more suited for adults. Which I should, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

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Wow Kay... I feel like I should be the last one to pick a book.. because I have no idea. :lol:

I think everyone use the book club in different ways. Some use it to expand their readings and other use it as a means of comparing and contrasting with multiple authors.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I think everyone use the book club in different ways. Some use it to expand their readings and other use it as a means of comparing and contrasting with multiple authors.

In my case it's going to be to expand my readings then :p

[Dr. Blade]

Much better than the other book I had to read... Heart of Darkness. It was hard to get through.


No way- you too?! I had to read Heart of Darkness for College Lit and I absolutely LOATHED it. I had fun destroying my copy after I read it. :lol: It wasn't even coherent! I remember reading one scene and I was like, how did we get here? Because he literally jumped scenes practically mid-sentence, and suddenly Marlow was in the woods at night and Kurtz was there on the ground...? :confused::rolleyes: Biggest waste of eight bucks in my life!


So what are we reading? Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?

[pizzahead2490]

No way- you too?! I had to read Heart of Darkness for College Lit and I absolutely LOATHED it. I had fun destroying my copy after I read it. :lol: It wasn't even coherent! I remember reading one scene and I was like, how did we get here? Because he literally jumped scenes practically mid-sentence, and suddenly Marlow was in the woods at night and Kurtz was there on the ground...? :confused::rolleyes: Biggest waste of eight bucks in my life!


So what are we reading? Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?

Yes we are reading the Girl with the dragon tattoo. I already ordered it today.

[BohoRoohaha]

Chapter One:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bergson

To explain the meaning of the main characters nickname. I didn't get it so I had to look it up.

[Dr. Blade]

Yes we are reading the Girl with the dragon tattoo. I already ordered it today.

Awesome! I own it also. :D Can't wait to read and discuss it!

[pizzahead2490]

Here is something I found on Barnes and Nobel website that I thought was interesting. It's a guide to this book when in a book club. I really don't think any of these are spoilers. But just incase I am going to put spoiler quites around them.

Reading Group Guide
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Questions for Discussion
1. Careful observation is the foundation of any successful journalist's or private investigator's career. Discuss how the various characters' outward appearance aligned with their true personality in this novel.

2. Lisbeth Salander's character is enigmatic and antisocial throughout much of the book. What do you see as the catalyst for the slow emergence of her personality?

3. Lisbeth judges everyone harshly, including herself. What do you think of her assessment of Blomkvist?

4. While poverty, social injustice, parental abuse, and difficult childhoods are often cited as explanations for criminal behavior, Lisbeth believes in free will and choice. Do you agree?

5. What propels Blomkvist to lay aside his professional ethics and take on the investigation proposed by Vanger?

6. The relationship between Blomkvist and Cecilia is fraught from the beginning. How does Cecilia come to terms with it? What do you think about her decision?

7. How successfully does Larsson develop Lisbeth's connection to her mother? Is there anything about their relationship that helps shed light on Lisbeth's behavior?

8. Were you surprised by the book's portrayal of right-wing fanaticism and violence against women in a country known for its liberal views?

9. Which character's duplicity -- or innocence -- did you find the most unexpected? Which one emerged as your favorite?

10. Discuss Mikael Blomkvist's role in the investigation. Do you feel that he made as important a contribution as Lisbeth? Why or why not?

11. The narrative contained a number of plot twists. Who did you imagine sent the framed flowers to Vanger each year?

[BohoRoohaha]

Hmm...interesting. Definitely something to keep in mind while reading. Thanks for posting!

[starflower69]

Here is something I found on Barnes and Nobel website that I thought was interesting. It's a guide to this book when in a book club. I really don't think any of these are spoilers. But just incase I am going to put spoiler quites around them.

Reading Group Guide
#
Questions for Discussion
1. Careful observation is the foundation of any successful journalist's or private investigator's career. Discuss how the various characters' outward appearance aligned with their true personality in this novel.

2. Lisbeth Salander's character is enigmatic and antisocial throughout much of the book. What do you see as the catalyst for the slow emergence of her personality?

3. Lisbeth judges everyone harshly, including herself. What do you think of her assessment of Blomkvist?

4. While poverty, social injustice, parental abuse, and difficult childhoods are often cited as explanations for criminal behavior, Lisbeth believes in free will and choice. Do you agree?

5. What propels Blomkvist to lay aside his professional ethics and take on the investigation proposed by Vanger?

6. The relationship between Blomkvist and Cecilia is fraught from the beginning. How does Cecilia come to terms with it? What do you think about her decision?

7. How successfully does Larsson develop Lisbeth's connection to her mother? Is there anything about their relationship that helps shed light on Lisbeth's behavior?

8. Were you surprised by the book's portrayal of right-wing fanaticism and violence against women in a country known for its liberal views?

9. Which character's duplicity -- or innocence -- did you find the most unexpected? Which one emerged as your favorite?

10. Discuss Mikael Blomkvist's role in the investigation. Do you feel that he made as important a contribution as Lisbeth? Why or why not?

11. The narrative contained a number of plot twists. Who did you imagine sent the framed flowers to Vanger each year?



I'm not very analytical so don't expect too much indepth discussion from me, I'm more your eggs is eggs type of reader :lol:

I'll go and get a copy at the weekend and I can't wait to see what everyone's opinions are going to be. I was thinking about our next book maybe we should decide before the end of the month what we're going to read next so that we can get copies before we finish GWTDT. That way, we'll have a continueos flow without a gap in reading. What does everyone else think?

[wellinglover66]

Amazon offers Kindle for PC. I've got it right now and I'll start reading it tonight.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Cool. So when are we going to start reading it?

I need to set a pace for myself.. because honestly, if I don't stop myself it'll be done in an hour.

[Dr. Blade]

Cool. So when are we going to start reading it?

I need to set a pace for myself.. because honestly, if I don't stop myself it'll be done in an hour.

Yeah, no joke!!

[BohoRoohaha]

From now to April 15th. If that's too much of a stretch or you need more time let us know (depending on your speed). And we'll gage it as we go along to see if a month is a good amount of time. I say if you get done with it sooner and are itching for something else to read, we can have a second set of shorter books on hand as a in-between...or even, I don't know a short Poe story, or Shakespeare play or something. Also, are we still doing the Alpha thing or are deciding as a group vote?
I'm cool with voting early so theres no gap between books unless people want time to really discuss it after we're all done. I guess we'll see.

I started Dragon Tattoo last night...I want to make sure I stay ahead of the curve so I don't fall behind. :)

[Dr. Blade]

From now to April 15th. If that's too much of a stretch or you need more time let us know (depending on your speed). And we'll gage it as we go along to see if a month is a good amount of time. I say if you get done with it sooner and are itching for something else to read, we can have a second set of shorter books on hand as a in-between...or even, I don't know a short Poe story, or Shakespeare play or something. Also, are we still doing the Alpha thing or are deciding as a group vote?
I'm cool with voting early so theres no gap between books unless people want time to really discuss it after we're all done. I guess we'll see.

I started Dragon Tattoo last night...I want to make sure I stay ahead of the curve so I don't fall behind. :)


Ok. :) Does that mean we're not going to discuss as we read? Like every ten chapters or so? Especially with a mystery I think that could be fun... of course the danger lies in someone who has read past the quota replying and spoiling.

[pizzahead2490]

I will be starting it tomorrow. However, I am a fast reader. If you want to discuss the book while reading just use spoiler tags and put the chapter that you will be talking about.

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Like this Jen....

Chapter 1

mmmmm

[pizzahead2490]

Going to Barnes and Nobel to get the book now! :D

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BTW I think we need to make a list on whose going to pick the next following books. I say it's first come first serve.

1. Kay :lol:

[starflower69]

I agree wholeheartedly, early bird catches the worm :lol:

2. Tracey ;)

[pizzahead2490]

Up to Chapter 3

So this is getting interesting. I am in the middle of chapter 4 right now and I can clearly tell that this will be a very interesting story. So this story is in third person limited on Micke. I can't help but feel like the case in which he was libel for will have something to do with the rest of the story in regards to his future investigation on the Vagner family. It's pretty interesting the relationship he has with Erika, he could if he wanted to, have an threesome with her and husband if he liked :p :lol: I am pretty interested in knowing who sent the Henry Vagner flowers on his b-day and why it has to do with Harriet's death. Lisbeth is so off beat and punkish...I already love her character. I have not seen much of her considering the book is named after her but maybe it's just a matter of time. I loved how her boss is like slightly in love with her...it's so weird!
I am dying to see how Salander and Micke interact with each other...I can't help but to think it's going to have some sparks. The fact that Salander went off the record about her feelings about the case she had on Micke, which was ooc of her. It showed that the author is setting up a relationship with them for the future. And I can't wait to discover what that is! :D

[Dr. Blade]

#3 Jen :p

Oh you're already to chapter three? Ok better get crackin!

[pizzahead2490]

Who have the book so far? And yes, we have started reading!

[BohoRoohaha]

Chapters 1-6)

Is anyone else here interested in keeping track of peoples ages...for example I thought it was weird that Blomkvist is in his forties, but knew Vanger as a child...then I realized that Vanger would have to have been ...I don't know...haven't done the math yet...also, I keep thinking of how Vanger can have two generations of nieces and nephews and be 82, and have Martin also be around 40. They must have had kids young. I will also figure out the age gaps between everyone. That helps me, personally in a way, how everyone should look against each other. but that's just me. Anyways, its good so far. I was a little confused about the Wennerstrom case but I think it will be explained later.

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Up to Chapter 3

So this is getting interesting. I am in the middle of chapter 4 right now and I can clearly tell that this will be a very interesting story. So this story is in third person limited on Micke. I can't help but feel like the case in which he was libel for will have something to do with the rest of the story in regards to his future investigation on the Vagner family. It's pretty interesting the relationship he has with Erika, he could if he wanted to, have an threesome with her and husband if he liked :p :lol: I am pretty interested in knowing who sent the Henry Vagner flowers on his b-day and why it has to do with Harriet's death. Lisbeth is so off beat and punkish...I already love her character. I have not seen much of her considering the book is named after her but maybe it's just a matter of time. I loved how her boss is like slightly in love with her...it's so weird!
I am dying to see how Salander and Micke interact with each other...I can't help but to think it's going to have some sparks. The fact that Salander went off the record about her feelings about the case she had on Micke, which was ooc of her. It showed that the author is setting up a relationship with them for the future. And I can't wait to discover what that is! :D

I agree. Its been great so far. Very intriguing.

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Chapter 6:

Dum Dum Dum! Harriet used to give Vanger pressed flowers like the ones he's been getting! Oh, so could Harriet still be alive? *Twist*

[hughie87]

Going to get the book tomorrow. I am so excited about this! Kay, again, thanks for letting me know about this! :D And Jen is here! Yea!! My Mafia buds. :)

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Oh, speaking of Bookclub, I wouldn't mind joining this :) But can I make a tiny suggestion for a read here? ;)

[BohoRoohaha]

Hi Hughie and LucyLane. Welcome to the club!! :)

Whats your suggestion Lucy?

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Hey there, BohoRoohaha! And thanks! :)

Oh, it won't be out till about April 12th, but it's a book called "Madelvians Chronicles -- Addison University" about human annihilation, and the strive to keep the world going on longer, with dramatic elements, science fiction action, and plot-twisting suspense. :)

I think that would make a nice read :)

[pizzahead2490]

Everyone sign up on the list on who choose a book next. We are up to # 4.

[starflower69]

Hey there, BohoRoohaha! And thanks! :)

Oh, it won't be out till about April 12th, but it's a book called "Madelvians Chronicles -- Addison University" about human annihilation, and the strive to keep the world going on longer, with dramatic elements, science fiction action, and plot-twisting suspense. :)

I think that would make a nice read :)


Hey good to see you here Annie! :) Is this a great work of epic proportions by your good self?

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Hey good to see you here Annie! :) Is this a great work of epic proportions by your good self?

Hey there, T-Girl! :) And yes! Only a month and a day away! :) Oh wait. You know about this, and why? Because the published authoress told you! :D

[starflower69]

Hey there, T-Girl! :) And yes! Only a month and a day away! :) Oh wait. You know about this, and why? Because the published authoress told you! :D


Oh Authoress eh...Check you out!!! ;) How much did you pay them? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Going to get the book tomorrow. I am so excited about this! Kay, again, thanks for letting me know about this! :D And Jen is here! Yea!! My Mafia buds. :)

Me too!

Everyone sign up on the list on who choose a book next. We are up to # 4.

I'm #5 then. :p

And I'll be picking up a book.. possibly tomorrow :)

[superjude]

I'm interested. I'll try to find the book. You have given us a lot of time but I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere, so the time will most likely be needed. Looking forward to it. Would someone pm me about what book is being read?

[pizzahead2490]

I am glad you can be with us Judy! :D

Btw, D you're number 4 ;)

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Chapters 1-6)

Is anyone else here interested in keeping track of peoples ages...for example I thought it was weird that Blomkvist is in his forties, but knew Vanger as a child...then I realized that Vanger would have to have been ...I don't know...haven't done the math yet...also, I keep thinking of how Vanger can have two generations of nieces and nephews and be 82, and have Martin also be around 40. They must have had kids young. I will also figure out the age gaps between everyone. That helps me, personally in a way, how everyone should look against each other. but that's just me. Anyways, its good so far. I was a little confused about the Wennerstrom case but I think it will be explained later.

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I agree. Its been great so far. Very intriguing.

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Chapter 6:

Dum Dum Dum! Harriet used to give Vanger pressed flowers like the ones he's been getting! Oh, so could Harriet still be alive? *Twist*

Chapter 6

Micke was little younger than Harriet btw. I don't think Harriet is still alive. IN fact I think someone is messing with Henrik.

[pizzahead2490]

Up to Chapter 8

One of the biggest peeves I have with this story is the fact that I am being told that the Vagner family is messed up but I am not actually seeing it. I want to believe that the family got issues not just by word of mouth!

So it looks like Lisbeth got some emotional issues. I can't wait to see what caused this side of her in her life. It obviously has to do with her life in the past. I want to know more abut her dang it! But I guess I am asking too much since the author is a male and that's why he feels so comfortable talking from Micke's side. :rolleyes:

[BohoRoohaha]

Audrey #6

[pizzahead2490]

Audrey you're number 5. D made a slight error :p :D

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I am glad you can be with us Judy! :D

Btw, D you're number 4 ;)

[QUOTE=pizzahead2490;7183303]Audrey you're number 5. D made a slight error :p :D

Shhhh. I got it now :):p

[BohoRoohaha]

Up to Chapter 8

One of the biggest peeves I have with this story is the fact that I am being told that the Vagner family is messed up but I am not actually seeing it. I want to believe that the family got issues not just by word of mouth!

So it looks like Lisbeth got some emotional issues. I can't wait to see what caused this side of her in her life. It obviously has to do with her life in the past. I want to know more abut her dang it! But I guess I am asking too much since the author is a male and that's why he feels so comfortable talking from Micke's side. :rolleyes:

Maybe, it will surface later. I want to see it too.

[pizzahead2490]

I am in the middle of Chapter 9. I am going to try to hold back a bit so people can be more caught up.

[starflower69]

I am in the middle of Chapter 9. I am going to try to hold back a bit so people can be more caught up.


Wow, you're a quick reader, Kay. I just got my copy so I'll start reading soon. Is it a good read so far as you've got?

[pizzahead2490]

Wow, you're a quick reader, Kay. I just got my copy so I'll start reading soon. Is it a good read so far as you've got?

Yeah.... I have a little peeves now and then but it's a good story so far.

[starflower69]

Yeah.... I have a little peeves now and then but it's a good story so far.

Good, I'm looking forward to getting started in it now. I'm feeling left behind. Have you decided on what your choice of read is going to be?

[pizzahead2490]

Good, I'm looking forward to getting started in it now. I'm feeling left behind. Have you decided on what your choice of read is going to be?

I am a little tempted to call a Dickens but I may not becuase I know you don't like him :( I am gonna choose another one.

[starflower69]

I am a little tempted to call a Dickens but I may not becuase I know you don't like him :( I am gonna choose another one.


Ah, that's sweet :) but it's your choice so I'll read whatever you choose. I might have an epiphany about his writing :lol:

[pizzahead2490]

Ah, that's sweet :) but it's your choice so I'll read whatever you choose. I might have an epiphany about his writing :lol:

What Dickens books have you read?

[starflower69]

What Dickens books have you read?


I gave up on A Tale of Two Cities and Great Expectations and I've read David Copperfield which wasn't too bad and the Pickwick Papers which bored me senseless. So I never tried reading anything else by Dickens. Hope I haven't offended you Kay?:)

[pizzahead2490]

I gave up on A Tale of Two Cities and Great Expectations and I've read David Copperfield which wasn't too bad and the Pickwick Papers which bored me senseless. So I never tried reading anything else by Dickens. Hope I haven't offended you Kay?:)

You read almost all of his books :lol:

I was leaning on the Christmas Carol or The Great Expectations.

[pizzahead2490]

Okay folks the next book will be, THE AGE OF INNOCENCE by Edith Wharton

[starflower69]

You read almost all of his books :lol:

I was leaning on the Christmas Carol or The Great Expectations.


Have I :lol: Well. I wouldn't say read, I'd say skimmed over. So Age of Innocence is it old or modern?

[pizzahead2490]

It came out in the late 40s

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In the summer time I will be reading all of Dickens novels. I have read The Christmas Carol and I loved loved loved it!

[BohoRoohaha]

The Age of Innocence. Fantastic. I've heard of it but know nothing about it. Exciting.

[pizzahead2490]

I never read the book as well but I heard it was brilliant and that's why I want to read it.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Ok. I got the book today. I have to study ... but I got through the first 3 chapters

Chapters 1-3
The prologue instantly caught me. I want to know who keeps sending him the flowers.. Ahhhh

Chapter 1-- We learn about Blomkvist and his background, and I'm intrigued by his character... Good start

Chapter 2-- All the talk about the business kinda bored me. Not going to lie

Chapter 3--So I'm guessing Salander is the girl with the dragon tattoo then? I love her character. Everyone thinks she has "two braincells" but when she starts talking you instantly know she' intelligent. And I find it funny how her boss is attracted to her.

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I never read the book as well but I heard it was brilliant and that's why I want to read it.

I heard it was great too. I want to read it. :)


And I think I'm going to pick Say You're One of Them by Uwem Akpan. I heard it was great, and I was really interested in reading it. I just haven't gotten around to them. It's a collection of short stories though.. Is that okay?

oh! and apparently it's a part of Oprah's Book Club?? That's got to be a good thing right?

If no one wants to read it, I'll think of another one

[starflower69]

Ok. I got the book today. I have to study ... but I got through the first 3 chapters

Chapters 1-3
The prologue instantly caught me. I want to know who keeps sending him the flowers.. Ahhhh

Chapter 1-- We learn about Blomkvist and his background, and I'm intrigued by his character... Good start

Chapter 2-- All the talk about the business kinda bored me. Not going to lie

Chapter 3--So I'm guessing Salander is the girl with the dragon tattoo then? I love her character. Everyone thinks she has "two braincells" but when she starts talking you instantly know she' intelligent. And I find it funny how her boss is attracted to her.

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I heard it was great too. I want to read it. :)


And I think I'm going to pick Say You're One of Them by Uwem Akpan. I heard it was great, and I was really interested in reading it. I just haven't gotten around to them. It's a collection of short stories though.. Is that okay?

oh! and apparently it's a part of Oprah's Book Club?? That's got to be a good thing right?

If no one wants to read it, I'll think of another one

I finally started reading last night and I have to say the prologue is intriguing. I'm about half way through chapter 1. I'm going to read some more later. Please don't read too fast as I'm not a fast reader and I'll probably only read a chapter a day

D, I'm not sure if I can get hold of your choice in the UK but I'll google it to see if I can :) I like short stories, there should be a lot more of them

[pizzahead2490]

With short stories I think we should discuss one or two a week.

[starflower69]

With short stories I think we should discuss one or two a week.

That sounds like a good idea, Kay.

I've finally finished the first chapter of GWTDT, yay :) Now hopefully, I can start reading it a bit faster.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

With short stories I think we should discuss one or two a week.

That would work :D

[pizzahead2490]

Now that I am officially dead in mafia I can devote more time to this book.

[hughie87]

Now that I am officially dead in mafia I can devote more time to this book.
:lol: We're all dead now!

Anyway, I finally started the book and I am on chapter 7 or 8, I think. So far, Lisbeth and Henrik are my favorite characters. The book just seems to come alive when Lisbeth is written and Henrik, I just loved the way he took Micke through the sordid family history. Micke had just arrived at Hedestad to start investigating Harriet's murder, so I think I'll be even more engrossed after this. I can't wait to see if and when Lisbeth and Micke cross paths! :D

[pizzahead2490]

Summer I am not really spoiled but some others are not as far as you are. So can you please use spoiler tags :p ;)

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:lol: We're all dead now!

Anyway, I finally started the book and I am on chapter 7 or 8, I think. So far, Lisbeth and Henrik are my favorite characters. The book just seems to come alive when Lisbeth is written and Henrik, I just loved the way he took Micke through the sordid family history. Micke had just arrived at Hedestad to start investigating Harriet's murder, so I think I'll be even more engrossed after this. I can't wait to see if and when Lisbeth and Micke cross paths!

I am STILL waiting for them to cross paths and I am much farther than you, :lol: LONGEST WAIT EVER!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[hughie87]

Summer I am not really spoiled but some others are not as far as you are. So can you please use spoiler tags :p ;)

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I am STILL waiting for them to cross paths and I am much farther than you, :lol: LONGEST WAIT EVER!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Seriously?! Oh my gosh! I don't really like Micke, I think he's a little self-absorbed and short with people, but maybe that is just because he's going to have to go to jail at some point. :lol: Well, hopefully that means when he and Lisbeth meet, it will be unforgettable. :eek:

[pizzahead2490]

Seriously?! Oh my gosh! I don't really like Micke, I think he's a little self-absorbed and short with people, but maybe that is just because he's going to have to go to jail at some point. :lol: Well, hopefully that means when he and Lisbeth meet, it will be unforgettable. :eek:

It's not that I don't like Micke, I do like him actually, I just see way too much of him. This story is about Lisbeth right? I only see snap shots about her and I find myself wanting more. And just when it seems like we are getting into her crazy psyche, the dream finishes and we are back at Micke again. This makes me think that the author is doing this purposely to hide something about Lisbeth that he does not want to reveal until close to the end of the story.

[BohoRoohaha]

I am in the middle of chapter 11 and I love both lisbeths and mickes stories. I am intrigued by Lisbeth. She seems very complex and. I am engrossed in the complexities of mickes story as well. Can't wait til they meet...

I don't think I'm giving anything away ...too lazy to use tags and trying to be as cryptic as possible. Lol.

[starflower69]

I need to get a move on I'm only on Chapter 2. :( I'm off work this weekend so I'm going to devote some more time to it.

[pizzahead2490]

OMG!!!!!
Middle of chapter 13

How dear that creep kind of raped Lisbeth! :mad: She is going to kill him! She is going to beat the **** out of him! :eek: I have no idea what she is going to do but it's not going to be pretty for him. ANNNNND EWWWWWWWW Micke and Cecilia getting it on :eek: Old people sex :lol: :rotfl: I have to mentally think they are younger, well at least Cecilla. I don't want to imagine a woman who is close to 60 having sex in minds eye. That's a image that I can't get out! :lol:

[starflower69]

I'm so wanting to know what your OMG is Kay but I'm going to refrain from spoiling myself. :lol: I'm not sure if spoiler tags are such a good idea anymore

[pizzahead2490]

I'm so wanting to know what your OMG is Kay but I'm going to refrain from spoiling myself. :lol: I'm not sure if spoiler tags are such a good idea anymore

Hahahaha! If you want to be spoiled you can go ahead and read it! :p

[starflower69]

Hahahaha! If you want to be spoiled you can go ahead and read it! :p

No way, I may as well just read the ending. :lol: What chapter are you up to now? I'm on chap 6 and the book's just starting to get interesting

[pizzahead2490]

Middle of chapter 14

I ought to finish read the chapter. But damn that guy totally raped Lisbeth. I am not sure if I buy the non emotion Lisbeth seem to be going through. It seems a little unnatural to me. But I like the fact that she got revenge on him even though I am not sure if he is going to tolerate that. Cecilla is making me puke! How did she fall for Micke so quickly????? I thought it was just sex? Am I missing something :rolleyes: :p

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No way, I may as well just read the ending. :lol: What chapter are you up to now? I'm on chap 6 and the book's just starting to get interesting

I am almost at chapter 15. But wow, you're at chapter 6! That's awesome :D

[starflower69]

I just clicked on quote by mistake and saw something about SEX I averted my gaze very quickly :rotfl::rotfl:I need to go and read more now to catch up ;)

[pizzahead2490]

I just clicked on quote by mistake and saw something about SEX I averted my gaze very quickly :rotfl::rotfl:I need to go and read more now to catch up ;)

It's funny how that's the first word you saw ;) :p :lol:

[starflower69]

The SEX was at the end of your post, I think :lol:;) At least I've got somrhing to look forward too. I thought it was just a book about dodgy business deals and murder :lol:

[hughie87]

So, I'm taking a break from the book today. In the middle of Ch. 22. :o I don't want to finish it before everyone else does!! :lol: And Micke and Lisbeth's meeting? Hilarious!!

Kay, I am with you on everything you say! I don't know if it's just my inner prude coming out, but man! I don't get how Cecilia and Micke can just fall into bed with each other. And yes, I just skipped over age. I'm like, that was a typo. She's not 56. :\ Also, his relationship with Erika is really messed up. She is married! And they are on and off lovers for 20 years? I just don't get it. And I think Cecilia has a hand in Harriet's disappearance, so I bet she was using sex to see if she could get close to Micke. I don't know. She's a very wishy-washy character.

I have to say, this book is very hard to read. I have a strong stomach, but some of the things he describes in here are just gruesome! Lisbeth's rape and the murders, just horrible. :( I think Lisbeth has been sexually abused in the past, because she was too cut-off from it. I think The Evil that she refers to sometimes is her past and I bet she was abused sexually by some male she was close to. Her father, probably, since he is hardly mentioned. Also, in my experience (sorry, I grew up around counselors and psychiatrists, mom was the office manager, you pick up things) that children or women who are sexually abused or assaulted, have quite a struggle ever becoming sexually active again. So, the evidence that Lisbeth can be, means she's probably been a victim for a good portion of her life so it's second hand to her. Or she is in some SERIOUS prescription strength denial.

Have any of y'all gotten to her revenge on Bjurman yet? It's good. And he totally deserves it. :mad: And awww. . . R.I.P. the poor cat. :( That part was also quite upsetting with this animal lover here.

[pizzahead2490]

OMG you are on chapter 22!!!!!! I can't even read what you said in the spoiler quotes! Slow down, Missy :lol: :rotfl:

[starflower69]

Oh no! I feel like I'm really lagging behind now, I seriously need to sit and read or I'm never going to catch up. Slow down Summer, go and read something else :rotfl:

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Ok... I'm still super super busy with school stuff, but I was stuck on the train for an hour on friday and I went from chapter 3 to chapter 11.

I'll comment on it when I have the chance. But I'm going back to uni tomorrow.. well.. I guess today :p And I'll be there for like 2 hours. And so... I'll have more to add to it. I just hope I don't forget what has happened. :lol:

[hughie87]

Oh no! I feel like I'm really lagging behind now, I seriously need to sit and read or I'm never going to catch up. Slow down Summer, go and read something else :rotfl:

That is exactly what I did!! :rotfl: I read another book and caught up on some writing. I'll probably do the same tomorrow and then see where everyone is on Monday. :D

[pizzahead2490]

I am chapter 17 or 18. I am on your tail Summer :lol:

[starflower69]

I've just finished chapter 9 and my thoughts keep going back to the accident on the bridge, the tanker was taken away and not inspected I don't think. What if Harriet was in there? It is possible as all tankers have sleeping areas so she could have hidden in it or the murderer could have put her body there so I'm thinking she may not be dead. Hence the flower every year. What does everyone else think?

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That is exactly what I did!! :rotfl: I read another book and caught up on some writing. I'll probably do the same tomorrow and then see where everyone is on Monday. :D

I'm sitting reading now and still miles behind you. :lol:

[pizzahead2490]

I've just finished chapter 9 and my thoughts keep going back to the accident on the bridge, the tanker was taken away and not inspected I don't think. What if Harriet was in there? It is possible as all tankers have sleeping areas so she could have hidden in it or the murderer could have put her body there so I'm thinking she may not be dead. Hence the flower every year. What does everyone else think?



At that time I think I was thinking the same thing as you as well. But right now I am thinking for sure it's murder as you will see why after Micke's daughter come to visit him and what she helps him to see ;) BUT IF Harriet is still alive, I don't think she is kidnapped or anything of the sorts. I think she left on her own accord...

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Chapter 17ish

Cecilla is involved in whatever happened to Harriet. I just feel it. Her actions are not consistent and she is just suspicious to me. And the fact that Micke is not seeing her as a big threat makes me feel like the author has plans for her in the future. Not to mention she lied!!!!! She knows something! She is probably the one who broke into Micke's cabin.

I called it! :D ;) :p

[starflower69]

Ok so now I'll just have to catch up I need to know what's happened to her. I'm going to sit and read. You slow down as well Kay:lol:

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I am chapter 17 or 18. I am on your tail Summer :lol:

I'm on chapter 20. :lol: I passed you :cool:

First off.. FINALLY!! They meet! omg.. how long did that take?

second, what he found with the bible verses? OMG. So intense! I can't wait to see what the other names and verses mean.

Also, Cecilia in the window of Harriet's room? What could that possibly mean? I knew that she had to have known something. She brushed off her death so quickly saying "it was an accident" of course :rolleyes:

[pizzahead2490]

I'm on chapter 20. :lol: I passed you :cool:

First off.. FINALLY!! They meet! omg.. how long did that take?

second, what he found with the bible verses? OMG. So intense! I can't wait to see what the other names and verses mean.

Also, Cecilia in the window of Harriet's room? What could that possibly mean? I knew that she had to have known something. She brushed off her death so quickly saying "it was an accident" of course :rolleyes:



I agree. Cecilia is so guilty. Guilty of what? Now that's the big question.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I agree. Cecilia is so guilty. Guilty of what? Now that's the big question.

Maybe she's protecting someone?

[pizzahead2490]

Maybe she's protecting someone?

Maybe she is annoying. Because I think she is :lol:

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Maybe she is annoying. Because I think she is :lol:

:rotfl: Good point! I agree :p

[starflower69]

If you lot don't slow down, I'm gonna burn your books:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

*starts stacking bonfire*;)

Chapter 11:)

[pizzahead2490]

If you lot don't slow down, I'm gonna burn your books:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

*starts stacking bonfire*;)

Chapter 11:)

YAY! You are on chapter 11 :D

[hughie87]

Yea!!! Does this mean I can start reading again?? :D

[starflower69]

Yea!!! Does this mean I can start reading again?? :D


Yeah, just read slowly :lol::D

[pizzahead2490]

Middle of Chapter 23 or 24 something around there

Holy **** it's MARTIN :eek: Gasp! He is torturing Micke!!!!! :eek:

[starflower69]

Where do you guys get the time to read? Some of the chapters take ages. :lol:

[pizzahead2490]

Where do you guys get the time to read? Some of the chapters take ages. :lol:

I read on the subway and before I go to bed.

[hughie87]

Middle of Chapter 23 or 24 something around there

Holy **** it's MARTIN :eek: Gasp! He is torturing Micke!!!!! :eek:

Seriously, so friggin' twisted!!!!!!!!! :eek:

I was at work and it KILLED me that I couldn't run in here and go "IT'S MARTIN!!!!! IT'S MARTIN!!!!!!!!!! HE'S GOT MICKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Anyone else while reading that holding the book away or reading with one hand over an eye?? Because I so totally was!!! :lol:

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Yeah, just read slowly :lol::D

:lol: I tried! I'm about finished now, though. :o

[starflower69]

So, I'm taking a break from the book today. In the middle of Ch. 22. :o I don't want to finish it before everyone else does!! :lol: And Micke and Lisbeth's meeting? Hilarious!!

Kay, I am with you on everything you say! I don't know if it's just my inner prude coming out, but man! I don't get how Cecilia and Micke can just fall into bed with each other. And yes, I just skipped over age. I'm like, that was a typo. She's not 56. :\ Also, his relationship with Erika is really messed up. She is married! And they are on and off lovers for 20 years? I just don't get it. And I think Cecilia has a hand in Harriet's disappearance, so I bet she was using sex to see if she could get close to Micke. I don't know. She's a very wishy-washy character.

I have to say, this book is very hard to read. I have a strong stomach, but some of the things he describes in here are just gruesome! Lisbeth's rape and the murders, just horrible. :( I think Lisbeth has been sexually abused in the past, because she was too cut-off from it. I think The Evil that she refers to sometimes is her past and I bet she was abused sexually by some male she was close to. Her father, probably, since he is hardly mentioned. Also, in my experience (sorry, I grew up around counselors and psychiatrists, mom was the office manager, you pick up things) that children or women who are sexually abused or assaulted, have quite a struggle ever becoming sexually active again. So, the evidence that Lisbeth can be, means she's probably been a victim for a good portion of her life so it's second hand to her. Or she is in some SERIOUS prescription strength denial.

Have any of y'all gotten to her revenge on Bjurman yet? It's good. And he totally deserves it. :mad: And awww. . . R.I.P. the poor cat. :( That part was also quite upsetting with this animal lover here.

I have read a lot of stuff but what I've just read really sickened me. I thought he was going to just get her to do the same again but what he subjected her to was horrific. I was glad she got her revenge and I did laugh at the tattoo but is she for real? Most people would go to the police not take the law into their own hands. I agree with you Summer about the *Evil* She must have been extremely traumatised in her childhood to be so calculating. I was also thinking about her mother who we know is insane as well. Also why would any country take away someones civil liberties and place them under guardianship or as a trustee, that's just bonkers.So something extreme must have happened Finally,Blomkevist is just as crazy as Salander, he jumps into bed with a woman he barely know days after Berger has left. All the characters in this book are crazy. It's pretty disturbing reading and I'm not sure if I can say I'm enjoying it but it is interesting

[pizzahead2490]

Chapter 26

Harriet is alive! It's not really a surprise. But seriously...they cracked this case quite early? So what's left?

[hughie87]

I have read a lot of stuff but what I've just read really sickened me. I thought he was going to just get her to do the same again but what he subjected her to was horrific. I was glad she got her revenge and I did laugh at the tattoo but is she for real? Most people would go to the police not take the law into their own hands. I agree with you Summer about the *Evil* She must have been extremely traumatised in her childhood to be so calculating. I was also thinking about her mother who we know is insane as well. Also why would any country take away someones civil liberties and place them under guardianship or as a trustee, that's just bonkers.So something extreme must have happened Finally,Blomkevist is just as crazy as Salander, he jumps into bed with a woman he barely know days after Berger has left. All the characters in this book are crazy. It's pretty disturbing reading and I'm not sure if I can say I'm enjoying it but it is interesting


I know, right? My gosh. It was really hard to read in some places, but in other places it was soooo good! I did some research and it seems the author witnessed a young girl being gang-raped when he was about 15 and had always felt bad that he couldn't anything to stop it. :( I think this is his way at acting out his vengeance, maybe. Making it right, somehow.

Her not going to police, really makes me think she is used to this. I bet she was abused early on in life and that is why she took the laws into her own hands. I wonder about her mother, as well. You see bits and pieces of her but not a whole lot. We know more about the Vangers than we do about the two main characters almost! :lol:

As for the guardianship thing, that makes no sense to me. In the states, we have social workers and things but they DO NOT handle the money unless the person is under 18. And even then, they are either in a foster home, with some kind of familial relation or in some kind of institution. I'm just plain confused about that whole system.

As for Micke, well, I like him a little bit more than I did at first. I think he needs to learn a little more about social graces, but that is probably just the Southern Belle talking! :lol: And just wait until later! I think we can all tell that Micke is quite the ladies man. ;) His and Berger's relationship just baffles me. How they make that work is confusing. Of course, it's book, so they can!! :p

Stick with it, Tracey. It gets better. At least, the story really starts to unfold and it get seriously addicting.

Is anyone interested in reading the whole series? Because I would really love to see Lisbeth, I guess, grow in the series. Something about Micke brings it out in her and I would like to see explored more.

[pizzahead2490]

Eh...I was thinking about reading the rest of the series later on during my personal time. There is something about this author's writing that is not really captivating me that much. I think I know why. He writes like a man in all his characters in the book. It is a man author but as a writer he must be able to channel other characters psyche. Thus I find his female interpretations not believable, especially since that he can't prove why they act a certain way etc. I know Lisbeth personality can be made known in other books but not touching upon it in the current one leaves me as reader impatient. And I know I have not read the entire book yet but if he is not going to talk about Lisbeth's past then that means he is using it as tool of tension. So don't be surprised if her past is delayed through the other books as well.

Also, he writes in their person limited on Micke and Lisbeth. But sometimes he could be very omniscient, touching upon the surroundings through other characters eyes. However, you can clearly see where his comfort zone is at. He goes deep in the mind of Micke and even Martin to a certain degree. But when it was on Cecilia he only grazed the surface, leaving us to think she is a *****. Which could be his intention to promote drama but when he continuously does that to one of the main characters (Lisbeth) I get very annoyed.

The only woman he kind of got deep in her thought more so that the protagonist was Harriet and I think that was becuase the main story's idea and mission was about finding her

I think the book would have been stronger if it was only limited on Micke and no one else.

[starflower69]

I know, right? My gosh. It was really hard to read in some places, but in other places it was soooo good! I did some research and it seems the author witnessed a young girl being gang-raped when he was about 15 and had always felt bad that he couldn't anything to stop it. :( I think this is his way at acting out his vengeance, maybe. Making it right, somehow.

Her not going to police, really makes me think she is used to this. I bet she was abused early on in life and that is why she took the laws into her own hands. I wonder about her mother, as well. You see bits and pieces of her but not a whole lot. We know more about the Vangers than we do about the two main characters almost! :lol:

As for the guardianship thing, that makes no sense to me. In the states, we have social workers and things but they DO NOT handle the money unless the person is under 18. And even then, they are either in a foster home, with some kind of familial relation or in some kind of institution. I'm just plain confused about that whole system.

As for Micke, well, I like him a little bit more than I did at first. I think he needs to learn a little more about social graces, but that is probably just the Southern Belle talking! :lol: And just wait until later! I think we can all tell that Micke is quite the ladies man. ;) His and Berger's relationship just baffles me. How they make that work is confusing. Of course, it's book, so they can!! :p

Stick with it, Tracey. It gets better. At least, the story really starts to unfold and it get seriously addicting.

Is anyone interested in reading the whole series? Because I would really love to see Lisbeth, I guess, grow in the series. Something about Micke brings it out in her and I would like to see explored more.


I am finding this book a bit frustrating, I'm trying to stick with it D and feel that I just want to get to the end of it now.:lol: I don't see myself reading the whole series. Blomkovist annoys me and all he does is investigate, exercise and sleep around. And Lisbeth although I find her character intriguing, she is also very one dimensional. I'm now on Chapter 23 and want to see the murder solved and what is Wennestrom's involvement but the books nearly finished and it just seems like all the loose ends to tie up are going to be rushed.

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Eh...I was thinking about reading the rest of the series later on during my personal time. There is something about this author's writing that is not really captivating me that much. I think I know why. He writes like a man in all his characters in the book. It is a man author but as a writer he must be able to channel other characters psyche. Thus I find his female interpretations not believable, especially since that he can't prove why they act a certain way etc. I know Lisbeth personality can be made known in other books but not touching upon it in the current one leaves me as reader impatient. And I know I have not read the entire book yet but if he is not going to talk about Lisbeth's past then that means he is using it as tool of tension. So don't be surprised if her past is delayed through the other books as well.

Also, he writes in their person limited on Micke and Lisbeth. But sometimes he could be very omniscient, touching upon the surroundings through other characters eyes. However, you can clearly see where his comfort zone is at. He goes deep in the mind of Micke and even Martin to a certain degree. But when it was on Cecilia he only grazed the surface, leaving us to think she is a *****. Which could be his intention to promote drama but when he continuously does that to one of the main characters (Lisbeth) I get very annoyed.

The only woman he kind of got deep in her thought more so that the protagonist was Harriet and I think that was becuase the main story's idea and mission was about finding her

I think the book would have been stronger if it was only limited on Micke and no one else.

Kay I have to disagree about the author getting totally into the mind of Micke, He is a very one dimensional character, we know snippets of his past from a report written bt Lisbeth and we know what he does for a living. There seems to have been not much depth added to his character by the author. Maybe it is because the author was trying to cram too much into the story. Some of the character I think are not necessary to the story but maybe once I've finished the book, all will be explained :rolleyes:

I'm just hoping the author's not going to drag this out until the final chapter as I said above there are lots of threads that need to be tied up, especially for someone like myself who probably won't read the rest of the series

[starflower69]

Middle of Chapter 23 or 24 something around there

Holy **** it's MARTIN :eek: Gasp! He is torturing Micke!!!!! :eek:

I knew it, I was thinking that he seemed too good to be true, I'm not surprised at all if he is the Serial Killer, working with Cecelia's sister

[starflower69]

Chapter 26

Harriet is alive! It's not really a surprise. But seriously...they cracked this case quite early? So what's left?

It's all quite unbelievable to me how could a family cover up atrocities that have been going on for years and then the people investigating would agree to a cover up as well just so that the Vanger company doesn't get any bad publicity. It would never happen and as for Harriet being alive that doesn't surprise me either. I thought that early on but Harriet is a sheep farmer.:lol: Is that the best the author could come up with for a character who has been supposedly dead for almost the entire book


Not a lot left really as you say Kay, I feel like giving up now but won't as I've almost finished it

[pizzahead2490]

I have finally read the entire book :D

I am so happy for the last chapter and the epilogue. Even though I am still uncertain about Lisbeth's past and it seems like it's not going to be touched upon until the next book, I loved how he end with her. It was the closest he has ever been on the character and she seemed much more believable to me in those final moments. That's how he should have written with her from the start.

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I
Kay I have to disagree about the author getting totally into the mind of Micke, He is a very one dimensional character, we know snippets of his past from a report written bt Lisbeth and we know what he does for a living. There seems to have been not much depth added to his character by the author. Maybe it is because the author was trying to cram too much into the story. Some of the character I think are not necessary to the story but maybe once I've finished the book, all will be explained :rolleyes:

I'm just hoping the author's not going to drag this out until the final chapter as I said above there are lots of threads that need to be tied up, especially for someone like myself who probably won't read the rest of the series

I don't find Micke one dimensional at all. I find his story very interesting when it comes to relationship with journalism and his personal relationships he has with his friends. I like him as a charterer becuase I think his role was very well developed. I know about majority of his past and I know about his motivations. I feel drawn in a close with the character.

I wish I could say the same thing about Lisbeth. And it's not that I don't like her is just that I really don't know her. The author has been so ambiguous with her, if anything that's what frustrates me. Her emotions has been so locked away that when she says she's in love with Micke I didn't really buy it. The author gave no proof of her emotions before for me to believe those sentiments after.

[hughie87]

FINISHED!!

I want to kill Micke. :mad: Bastard.

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I didn't buy that she was in love with Micke either. I think she feels close to him so she interprets that as love. The way she was written, I don't think her character is capable of knowing love. She can feel it, but I don't think she'll be able to pinpoint it. And I was upset by the last page. I feel bad for her. She opens herself up and Micke is jumping into bed with Berger. Stuff like that always kills me. :(

[pizzahead2490]

FINISHED!!

I want to kill Micke. :mad: Bastard.

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I didn't buy that she was in love with Micke either. I think she feels close to him so she interprets that as love. The way she was written, I don't think her character is capable of knowing love. She can feel it, but I don't think she'll be able to pinpoint it. And I was upset by the last page. I feel bad for her. She opens herself up and Micke is jumping into bed with Berger. Stuff like that always kills me. :(

But Micke always jumps in bed with Erika that's what killed his marriage to begin with. Was it really a shock that he would do it with Lisbeth? To his defense, Lisbeth knows that what Erika and Micke has is FWB for years. And she knows that he has no plans on changing that.

[pizzahead2490]

I just bought The Age of Innocence, which is the next book we will be reading ;)

[starflower69]

I'm almost finished I've got about 3 chapters left so I guess we just have to wait and see if anyone else has read it and then we can start discussing it.

I'm going to order my copy on Monday. Yay a new book, I'm still deciding on my choices, I've got about 3 at the moment...The Life of Pi by Yan Martel, The Elegance of the Hedgehog by Muriel Barbary or The Help by Kathryn Stockett. I can't make up my mind:lol:

[pizzahead2490]

I'm almost finished I've got about 3 chapters left so I guess we just have to wait and see if anyone else has read it and then we can start discussing it.

I'm going to order my copy on Monday. Yay a new book, I'm still deciding on my choices, I've got about 3 at the moment...The Life of Pi by Yan Martel, The Elegance of the Hedgehog by Muriel Barbary or The Help by Kathryn Stockett. I can't make up my mind:lol:

I have never heard of any of those books :lol: But you seem like you have taste so I trust you!

Are you after me?

[starflower69]

I have never heard of any of those books :lol: But you seem like you have taste so I trust you!

Are you after me?


No pressure then:lol:

[pizzahead2490]

You know I realized that I prefer Gothic fiction over any other genres. Then it would be Mystery then it would be Scifi/fantasy.

[BohoRoohaha]

Oh man I'm not even to chapter twenty yet I'm falling behind....

[pizzahead2490]

Oh man I'm not even to chapter twenty yet I'm falling behind....

Is the story boring you?

[SleepingBeauty]

I skipped the first book because I was reading something else..

When do we start to read the new book ?

[pizzahead2490]

I skipped the first book because I was reading something else..

When do we start to read the new book ?

The next book will be Age of Innocence. And welcome to our humble circle :D

[BohoRoohaha]

Chapter 24 .... and Martin Whoo! I feel like the writing shifted somewhere. I can't pinpoint or explain it. Maybe its just me. Anyways its turning into an episode of smallville. Will it explain that later too.

Also welcome SleepingBeauty! :)

[starflower69]

Chapter 24 .... and Martin Whoo! I feel like the writing shifted somewhere. I can't pinpoint or explain it. Maybe its just me. Anyways its turning into an episode of smallville. Will it explain that later too.

Also welcome SleepingBeauty! :)

Smallville:lol: Now I'm intruiged. Just to let everyone know I've finished reading a few days ago and I can't wait to start discussing it to see what everyone else thinks.

Hey Susu:D Welcome to bookclub;)

[BohoRoohaha]

Chap.27.... and wow. I love the twists and turns. And by smallville I mean its like the old episodes where they have to solve a mystery and someone ends up a hostage blah blah... really I think its just the withdrawal talking. Is it "Kent" yet...

[starflower69]

Chap.27.... and wow. I love the twists and turns. And by smallville I mean its like the old episodes where they have to solve a mystery and someone ends up a hostage blah blah... really I think its just the withdrawal talking. Is it "Kent" yet...

:lol:

No not yet *sighs*

I have finally made up my mind about what we'll read after Kay's choice 'Age of Innocence' I'm still waiting for my copy from Amazon:mad:

I've chosen a fairly modern book called 'The Help' by Katherine Stockett:)

How many of us have finished reading TGWTDT? As if we all finish reading it before the deadline maybe we could start discussing it a bit sooner.

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Here is something I found on Barnes and Nobel website that I thought was interesting. It's a guide to this book when in a book club. I really don't think any of these are spoilers. But just incase I am going to put spoiler quites around them.

Reading Group Guide
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Questions for Discussion
1. Careful observation is the foundation of any successful journalist's or private investigator's career. Discuss how the various characters' outward appearance aligned with their true personality in this novel.

2. Lisbeth Salander's character is enigmatic and antisocial throughout much of the book. What do you see as the catalyst for the slow emergence of her personality?

3. Lisbeth judges everyone harshly, including herself. What do you think of her assessment of Blomkvist?

4. While poverty, social injustice, parental abuse, and difficult childhoods are often cited as explanations for criminal behavior, Lisbeth believes in free will and choice. Do you agree?

5. What propels Blomkvist to lay aside his professional ethics and take on the investigation proposed by Vanger?

6. The relationship between Blomkvist and Cecilia is fraught from the beginning. How does Cecilia come to terms with it? What do you think about her decision?

7. How successfully does Larsson develop Lisbeth's connection to her mother? Is there anything about their relationship that helps shed light on Lisbeth's behavior?

8. Were you surprised by the book's portrayal of right-wing fanaticism and violence against women in a country known for its liberal views?

9. Which character's duplicity -- or innocence -- did you find the most unexpected? Which one emerged as your favorite?

10. Discuss Mikael Blomkvist's role in the investigation. Do you feel that he made as important a contribution as Lisbeth? Why or why not?

11. The narrative contained a number of plot twists. Who did you imagine sent the framed flowers to Vanger each year?



I thought I'd re-post this for you Kay, your reading group guide for everyone to have another look at before we discuss the book

[BohoRoohaha]

Finished! Woot!

So has everyone finished or no?

Just bought age of innocence today too.

[pizzahead2490]

I have been done for like two weeks now :p

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When everyone is up to it we can start with the discussion questions perhaps one at a time.

[starflower69]

That sound like a good idea Ka.y I'm wanting to start on the next book already :lol:. Maybe we should reconsider how long we wait in between books

[pizzahead2490]

I agree :lol:

[hughie87]

I've been meaning to ask, now that some more people are done with the book, what are we going to do? Are we going to talk about, discuss. . . I saw the questions Kay posted earlier.

[pizzahead2490]

I've been meaning to ask, now that some more people are done with the book, what are we going to do? Are we going to talk about, discuss. . . I saw the questions Kay posted earlier.

I think we should talk about it. Maybe we could start from the questions and build from there.

[starflower69]

I think we should talk about it. Maybe we could start from the questions and build from there.


That sounds like a good idea Kay, so maybe we could give everyone till say Wednesday to finish the book and then we can get a good idea of who has and who hasn't finished the book just so we don't miss anyone out. Maybe we could VM people to see if they're still interested in participating

[pizzahead2490]

Until Wednesday seems good.

[starflower69]

Until Wednesday seems good.

Righto, I'll pm everyone that signed up who hasn't posted recently and then we'll go from there.:)

[BohoRoohaha]

Why, hello Wednesday how goes it! How bout that book eh, wrapped up nicely. I'm finished by the way. So I'm ready to discuss when you guys are.

[pizzahead2490]

How did you guys feel about the ending? Was it earned? Does it make it feel like you want to read more?

Do you feel sympathy for Lisbeth? Do you believe her emotions?

Those are some of the question that went through my mind just after i finished reading the book.

[BohoRoohaha]

I didn't feel bad for lisbeth only because I didn't know why she to so much trouble to mess with wennerstrom. What was the " great evil" or big evil that happened that she kept hinting at. I liked the resolution of the vanger family. It wasn't completely wrapped up in a pretty little bow and I liked the plot twist with Harriet and Martin and their dad. I don't know how I feel about the relationship between blomvist and lisbeth. What do you guys think?

[starflower69]

How did you guys feel about the ending? Was it earned? Does it make it feel like you want to read more?

Do you feel sympathy for Lisbeth? Do you believe her emotions?

Those are some of the question that went through my mind just after i finished reading the book.

I found the ending really rushes as if Larsson didn't have enough time to finish the story properly. I think it could have had a better ending without Blomkovist going off with Berger and Lisbeth watching from afar. We now that Berger and Blomkevist have a special relationship and Lisbeth knew this as well. I think the problem with her stemmed from her own selfish ideology that she could have a relationship with him just because they'd slept together. I had no sympathy for her as she isn't the sort of character that requires sympathy. I don't think Lisbeth would have wanted it either.

Her emotions were the same as they'd been all through the book, kind of aloof and unconcerned.


I didn't feel bad for lisbeth only because I didn't know why she to so much trouble to mess with wennerstrom. What was the " great evil" or big evil that happened that she kept hinting at. I liked the resolution of the vanger family. It wasn't completely wrapped up in a pretty little bow and I liked the plot twist with Harriet and Martin and their dad. I don't know how I feel about the relationship between blomvist and lisbeth. What do you guys think?

I wanted to know what the 'great evil' was and as I'm not going to read the rest of the series, Larsson should have cleared that up. Harriet, I saw that coming and Martin as he was the only friendly character so it made sense that he would be a psychopath. Does anyone else think that the story could have ended better?

[hughie87]

How did you guys feel about the ending? Was it earned? Does it make it feel like you want to read more?

Do you feel sympathy for Lisbeth? Do you believe her emotions?

Those are some of the question that went through my mind just after i finished reading the book.

About the ending, it really did make me want to read the other books. I don't like endings that end abruptly, which I felt this one did. I know the story was tied up, but in my opinion, the author did do a good job of keeping Lisbeth so underwraps, that if you want to get to know her better, you have to keep going.

While I don't believe that Lisbeth is IN LOVE with Micke (I don't buy that. The girl is too emotionally cut-off for that epiphany that quick) I felt bad for her seeing Micke and Erika like that. Also, we know she was the victim of abuse, so there is built in sympathy right there.


I didn't feel bad for lisbeth only because I didn't know why she to so much trouble to mess with wennerstrom. What was the " great evil" or big evil that happened that she kept hinting at. I liked the resolution of the vanger family. It wasn't completely wrapped up in a pretty little bow and I liked the plot twist with Harriet and Martin and their dad. I don't know how I feel about the relationship between blomvist and lisbeth. What do you guys think?

I think the 'big evil' will be revealed as you go through the other books. Like I said earlier, you don't see much of Lisbeth and what you do see is the present, not the past. So to get to know more about her and her history, you have to go on.

The more I have thought about it, I feel that maybe, on some level, Lisbeth saw Micke a male authority figure, kinds like a father but not really since they slept together (unless you want to take the Oedipus complex route :p). I think her seeing Micke with Erika brought home the fact that while she has some feelings for him or even feels a strong connection to him, he doesn't seem to feel the same way. And that for a girl without a father figure, IF she finds one, that sort of thing can really mess with her.

I very much enjoyed the Vanger plot. It was a nice backdrop. At first, I was getting so tired of just reading about Micke, but when he started investigating, that became fun. I was also glad they got Wennerstrom! I like Micke enough to want him to have revenge!! :lol: Overall, the book was very enjoyable BUT I did find some parts unbelievable and all the Finance, Business and Tech stuff kinda bored me. :o

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I found the ending really rushes as if Larsson didn't have enough time to finish the story properly. I think it could have had a better ending without Blomkovist going off with Berger and Lisbeth watching from afar. We now that Berger and Blomkevist have a special relationship and Lisbeth knew this as well. I think the problem with her stemmed from her own selfish ideology that she could have a relationship with him just because they'd slept together. I had no sympathy for her as she isn't the sort of character that requires sympathy. I don't think Lisbeth would have wanted it either.

Her emotions were the same as they'd been all through the book, kind of aloof and unconcerned.

In my mind, this is exactly WHY the character, at least for me, requires sympathy. Something so horrible has happened to her, that it has turned her into almost a robot. As I was growing up, my mother worked at a counseling facility and I can not tell you how many girls I saw that came through that office just like Lisbeth because of emotional, physical and sexual abuse. It is a defense mechanism. They turn off their feelings so they do not have to hurt any longer. I also think Lisbeth might not have wanted sympathy, but if she were a real person (and let's face it, if she really was, as human beings we probably would feel very bad for her) she would need it very badly. Pity, is what she definitely wouldn't want.

As for the rushing, I really think that is to entice the reader to go for the other books. It is a trilogy, so I think the story won't end until the last book ends. And since I am OCD about that kind of stuff, I'll read the other two. I'll tell you how it turns out!! :lol: While I hate abrupt endings like these, they serve usually two purposes. One, in this case, to continue the trilogy and two, it usually is a powerful ending that leaves the reader stunned. I was not stunned, but it did make me want to pick up the other books.


I wanted to know what the 'great evil' was and as I'm not going to read the rest of the series, Larsson should have cleared that up. Harriet, I saw that coming and Martin as he was the only friendly character so it made sense that he would be a psychopath. Does anyone else think that the story could have ended better?

The story most certainly could have ended better. And yes, even though I will read the other books at a later date, it would be nice, for people who do not want to read the next book, for the book to end in a way that it can stand on it's own. And I was wondering, did Larsson think Martin was so boring he NEEDED to be the psychopath? He needed to have a dark and dangerous secret? Or was that just for shock value?

[pizzahead2490]

I never bought the love that Lisbeth had for Micke. I couldn't even buy her emotions because I didn't see where they were coming from. We were told she loved him but we didn't see it. That was my biggest problem with the book for me and that's why I couldn't sympathize with her at the end.

It does however, makes me want to read more of the book to see how things go. Audrey I agree with you on the wennestrom thing. What inclination that we had that Lisbeth worked on it after it was pulled? For heaven sakes she was always with Micke so it left no room for her to investigate any one else. But I guess that's what her picture mind thing can comin in which could be and handy and a cop out.

I have to give the book props on the building of tension and the mystery it brought about throughout. It was drawn out but it wasn't so drawn out that it made me want to trow away the book.

But when they found out that Martin was killer I thought that happened too fast. In fact, I think it happened within a page.

[starflower69]

I never bought the love that Lisbeth had for Micke. I couldn't even buy her emotions because I didn't see where they were coming from. We were told she loved him but we didn't see it. That was my biggest problem with the book for me and that's why I couldn't sympathize with her at the end.

It does however, makes me want to read more of the book to see how things go. Audrey I agree with you on the wennestrom thing. What inclination that we had that Lisbeth worked on it after it was pulled? For heaven sakes she was always with Micke so it left no room for her to investigate any one else. But I guess that's what her picture mind thing can comin in which could be and handy and a cop out.

I have to give the book props on the building of tension and the mystery it brought about throughout. It was drawn out but it wasn't so drawn out that it made me want to trow away the book.

But when they found out that Martin was killer I thought that happened too fast. In fact, I think it happened within a page.

Maybe it's just me but I found it to be very slow in parts, I thought the Wennerstrom part to the story was just tagged onto the end almost as an after though because the writer had forgotten what to do with the character. I also found the descriptive parts too cheesy. I remember he made a sandwich and we had to know every little detail:lol: Was I bothered no! I aslo felt more dialogue and shorter chapters would have helped the slow pace

[pizzahead2490]

Maybe it's just me but I found it to be very slow in parts, I thought the Wennerstrom part to the story was just tagged onto the end almost as an after though because the writer had forgotten what to do with the character. I also found the descriptive parts too cheesy. I remember he made a sandwich and we had to know every little detail:lol: Was I bothered no! I aslo felt more dialogue and shorter chapters would have helped the slow pace

I agree it was drawn out but I thought he did it purposely for suspense. Now the real question is was weather the suspense was paid off at the end? I think it did and didn't all at the same time. I thought it was great twist that Harriet was alive but it was not much of surprise that I didn't see it coming at it was not so tedious that it felt predictable. He gave the needed clues. I thought it could have been handled different though. I would prefer if Harriet turned out to be a killer like her father...lol that would have been a huge twist!

I don't think the Martin story was earned or believable. It was not developed. It was rushed and we found out everything about his scumness in a manner of a page and we were just suppose to go with it.

[starflower69]

I agree it was drawn out but I thought he did it purposely for suspense. Now the real question is was weather the suspense was paid off at the end? I think it did and didn't all at the same time. I thought it was great twist that Harriet was alive but it was not much of surprise that I didn't see it coming at it was not so tedious that it felt predictable. He gave the needed clues. I thought it could have been handled different though. I would prefer if Harriet turned out to be a killer like her father...lol that would have been a huge twist!

I don't think the Martin story was earned or believable. It was not developed. It was rushed and we found out everything about his scumness in a manner of a page and we were just suppose to go with it.

I must admit that when Lisbeth hit Martin with the golf club I really laughed, I also laughed out loud when she tattoed that Dr. I thought that was a genius bit of writng:lol: I think you can probably tell I'm not a big fan of the book. I just think there are much better crime writers out there.

[pizzahead2490]

I must admit that when Lisbeth hit Martin with the golf club I really laughed, I also laughed out loud when she tattoed that Dr. I thought that was a genius bit of writng:lol: I think you can probably tell I'm not a big fan of the book. I just think there are much better crime writers out there.

I too think that the book could have been better. I give it a solid 7 :p
What the book was lacking was that it never kept me on my toes. There was really no excitement to the book.

But I am willing to read the other two. My friend told me that ht pace increase with the others. I think that this book was way too hyped u though.

[starflower69]

I too think that the book could have been better. I give it a solid 7 :p
What the book was lacking was that it never kept me on my toes. There was really no excitement to the book.

But I am willing to read the other two. My friend told me that ht pace increase with the others. I think that this book was way too hyped u though.

I agree there wasn't that page turning excitement that I usually get when I read a thriller. I rate it a 6 :)purely because some times I really struggled to keep reading. It's the first book that I've read in a long time where I was tempted to read the ending as I grew tired of reading. I'm glad that I persevered and finished it though. If someone asked me to recommend a book, I'd say if you plan to read the whole series then read it but if not then don't bother. It was way to hyped and maybe that's the reason people bought it.

[hughie87]

I agree there wasn't that page turning excitement that I usually get when I read a thriller. I rate it a 6 :)purely because some times I really struggled to keep reading. It's the first book that I've read in a long time where I was tempted to read the ending as I grew tired of reading. I'm glad that I persevered and finished it though. If someone asked me to recommend a book, I'd say if you plan to read the whole series then read it but if not then don't bother. It was way to hyped and maybe that's the reason people bought it.

I very much agree with the bolded. I did buy it (only because all copies were gone at the library and I actually couldn't find a copy in the used book store) but I will say that had it not been mentioned here, I probably wouldn't have even picked it up. Did y'all know there is obviously a movie based on the book? I bet that is interesting.

Anyway, what is the next book? I know I could go back and find it, but I'm feeling lazy right now and don't feel like it. :o

[BohoRoohaha]

I think they made the whole series actually. I really want to see it. Although it will probably make want to read the rest of the series.

[BohoRoohaha]

[SPOILER] Reading Group Guide

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Questions for Discussion

1. Careful observation is the foundation of any successful journalist's or private investigator's career. Discuss how the various characters' outward appearance aligned with their true personality in this novel.

....I have no answer for this except that lisbeth dressed and played the part of outcast/outsider. A person on the fringe of society. I'd say Martin dressed normal to hide the fact that he was a serial killer. I didn't really pay much attention to the other characters.


2. Lisbeth Salander's character is enigmatic and antisocial throughout much of the book. What do you see as the catalyst for the slow emergence of her personality?

.... Meeting someone who trusts her and doesn't push for information (blomvist). Although she had tha
Before with her other caretaker so I'd say, I don't know.... being seen on the same level professionally?

3. Lisbeth judges everyone harshly, including herself. What do you think of her assessment of Blomkvist?
....?


4. While poverty, social injustice, parental abuse, and difficult childhoods are often cited as explanations for criminal behavior, Lisbeth believes in free will and choice. Do you agree?
.... yes. At anytime they could have chosen to have gotten out ( as Harriet did).


5. What propels Blomkvist to lay aside his professional ethics and take on the investigation proposed by Vanger?

.... revenge on wennerstrom? I think it was addressed at some point when he be became personally invested beyond wennerstrom. It was about the time cecelia right? Or when he found those clues in the photograph.

6. The relationship between Blomkvist and Cecilia is fraught from the beginning. How does Cecilia come to terms with it? What do you think about her decision?

.... now that I think about it did she alienate herself from blomkvist so he couldn't find out her connection to Harriet? Maybe they're communicating to frequently and he would stumble upon it and figure out she's alive? Which he ended up doing.


7. How successfully does Larsson develop Lisbeth's connection to her mother? Is there anything about their relationship that helps shed light on Lisbeth's behavior?


8. Were you surprised by the book's portrayal of right-wing fanaticism and violence against women in a country known for its liberal views?


9. Which character's duplicity -- or innocence -- did you find the most unexpected? Which one emerged as your favorite?

.... I liked the Martin twist, though it came suddenly, and cecelia.

10. Discuss Mikael Blomkvist's role in the investigation. Do you feel that he made as important a contribution as Lisbeth? Why or why not?



11. The narrative contained a number of plot twists. Who did you imagine sent the framed flowers to Vanger each year?

At some point I remember thinking it was someone else entirely and that another plot would be introduced and then when it revealed the connection between Harriet and the flowers I thought, oh Harriet alive! But then I forgot about it so it was surprising when it actually turned up.

...so yeah. Some of the ones I didn't have answers for what do you guys think?

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Also what's the dates for age of innocence? Want to start now or wait? And how long do you want to go for? Is a month too long?

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I FINISHED :D:D:D:D:D:D

:lol: I had to go back to university today so I read those last 200 pages on the train :p

[pizzahead2490]

We were suppose to start the Age of Innocence on the 14th

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

^:lol: Ok. I can do that. I'll still be in exams until the 25th, but we'll see :D

[starflower69]

We were suppose to start the Age of Innocence on the 14th

Have you started yours Kay? I haven't started mine yet. I forgot :lol: I will make a start today :)

[hughie87]

I think they made the whole series actually. I really want to see it. Although it will probably make want to read the rest of the series.

When I looked it up on youtube, I saw the 3 trailers, so I think they did. And they're all in Swedish! Thank goodness for subtitles. :D I would like to see the movies, but I'm always afraid the movie won't live up to the book (example Brahm Stoker's Dracula was an AWESOME book. The movie? Wacky and creepy and terrifying and just downright weird. *shivers*) But in this case, since I'm not IN LOVE with the book, it would probably be okay. I would like to see how Lisbeth is played more than anything.

And we are starting Age of Innocence today? Need to go scrounge around for a copy. Why do I get the feeling this book is thick? It just sounds like it would be a thick book, doesn't it? :lol:

[pizzahead2490]

Have you started yours Kay? I haven't started mine yet. I forgot :lol: I will make a start today :)

No I didn't. I'm waiting for you girls.

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When I looked it up on youtube, I saw the 3 trailers, so I think they did. And they're all in Swedish! Thank goodness for subtitles. :D I would like to see the movies, but I'm always afraid the movie won't live up to the book (example Brahm Stoker's Dracula was an AWESOME book. The movie? Wacky and creepy and terrifying and just downright weird. *shivers*) But in this case, since I'm not IN LOVE with the book, it would probably be okay. I would like to see how Lisbeth is played more than anything.

And we are starting Age of Innocence today? Need to go scrounge around for a copy. Why do I get the feeling this book is thick? It just sounds like it would be a thick book, doesn't it? :lol:

It's a small book. But it's a more difficult read than the last one we read--I imagine.

[hughie87]

No I didn't. I'm waiting for you girls.

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It's a small book. But it's a more difficult read than the last one we read--I imagine.


Well, you don't have to wait on me!! :) Found a copy at the library. Yeah, I was surprised by how small it was. I was expecting a long one, but then I saw that it was first published in 1920, so that explained it. Age of Innocence just sounds like such a heavy title. I love stuff that was written back in the earlier 19th and 20th century, but it always takes me about two or three chapters to really get into the language and then I always have to go back and read what I already have! :lol:

I just have two more, well 3 if you count the epilogue, chapters to go before I finish the book I'm reading now but I should finish it and start Age of Innocence tonight.

[pizzahead2490]

I want to read this book called Water for Elephants the movie is coming out and it looks good. Hehe, but i'll read it on my own time.

[hughie87]

I want to read this book called Water for Elephants the movie is coming out and it looks good. Hehe, but i'll read it on my own time.

I saw the trailer for that! I was astonished to see Richard Pattinson in such a big role opposite of Reese Witherspoon. Not that I don't think he can do it, but since I've only seen him as a talented but short-lived wizard or a sparkling vampire, I was a little skeptical. Anyway, I saw that book in a store a couple of months back and I was very tempted to pick it up. . . I wouldn't mind reading it either.

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I FINISHED :D:D:D:D:D:D

:lol: I had to go back to university today so I read those last 200 pages on the train :p

Just now?? :p What did you think, hon?

[pizzahead2490]

When my book comes out in 10 years...promise to read it :D :lol:

[starflower69]

No I didn't. I'm waiting for you girls.

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I'm ready to start I'm looking forward to this one, it's my kind of book.


Well, you don't have to wait on me!! :) Found a copy at the library. Yeah, I was surprised by how small it was. I was expecting a long one, but then I saw that it was first published in 1920, so that explained it. Age of Innocence just sounds like such a heavy title. I love stuff that was written back in the earlier 19th and 20th century, but it always takes me about two or three chapters to really get into the language and then I always have to go back and read what I already have! :lol:

I just have two more, well 3 if you count the epilogue, chapters to go before I finish the book I'm reading now but I should finish it and start Age of Innocence tonight.

I love all the language of the 20's I wish that I'd been born then. I bought my house just because it was built in the 20's and am trying to keep it as a period home,


When my book comes out in 10 years...promise to read it :D :lol:


10 years! that's years away. :lol: Get writing now;)

[hughie87]

Before I offically started Age of Innocence, I wanted to answer these.


1. Careful observation is the foundation of any successful journalist's or private investigator's career. Discuss how the various characters' outward appearance aligned with their true personality in this novel.

Micke wasn't all obsessed with details. You could tell he was a big picture kinda guy, allowing the pieces to fall where they may and then going from there. He didn't scour for new evidence, but when he found some he followed it until it fit into a theory he had already put together. If by outward appearance, we're going on dress, this seems to support that. He is a general man. By the way he was described, you could pretty much tell how he was going to react. Also, he approaches life the same he approaches a lead, it seems like. Again, just goes with the flow.

Lisbeth, on the other hand, didn't match her true personality at all. To me, her dress and the way she acted doesn't even hint at the very meticulousness that seems to be her nature. She seems, at the onset, too disorganized and detached to be that detail-oriented as she later was shown to be. Of course, this is probably why her character, out of them all, presents the biggest mystery.


2. Lisbeth Salander's character is enigmatic and antisocial throughout much of the book. What do you see as the catalyst for the slow emergence of her personality?

If we can see a catalyst (or at least a believable one) I would say the relationship she began to build with Micke. He seemed to be able to draw her out the most and maybe she saw that if she could be comfortable with him, maybe she could do the same with other people.

3. Lisbeth judges everyone harshly, including herself. What do you think of her assessment of Blomkvist?

I actually can't remember her assessment of Micke. All I really remember was the work-up she for him for the lawyer. I don't think she judged him very harshly. And maybe that was because she got to know him intimately for afar instead of dealing with him personally.

4. While poverty, social injustice, parental abuse, and difficult childhoods are often cited as explanations for criminal behavior, Lisbeth believes in free will and choice. Do you agree?

I do agree that while these factors exist, everyone has free will. They chose to do what they do, BUT a child learns what he or she is taught. Using a line from the movie 'Little Women' ". . .if you hit and humiliate a child, then that child will hit and humiliate." All around us there are inspiring stories of how people have pulled themselves up and away from these things, but the sad truth is, they are few of many. The is a bible verse and paraphrased it is 'bring a child up in this way and he will not depart from it'. If all that a child sees is violence and abuse, they will think that is the norm and also how things are done. A boy who grows up with an abusive parent (especially a father) he is more often than not, going to abuse his children. Same thing with a girl. If a girl grows up with a sexually abusive parent, she is more likely to not report sexual assaults. If not treated by counseling or an institution, they see that behavior as normal and will follow that path. Not everyone is born or even exposed to the moral side of society that exists.

5. What propels Blomkvist to lay aside his professional ethics and take on the investigation proposed by Vanger?

Again, what professional ethics did he violate? The only thing I saw him really ignore was including this tome in the Vanger Family Chronicle. Anyway, what propelled him, I think, was boredom and the heart of a journalist. He can bluster all he wants, but the story of Harriet Vanger would leave any investigative journalist salivating. Also, I'm sure the million dollar pay-off didn't hurt either.

6. The relationship between Blomkvist and Cecilia is fraught from the beginning. How does Cecilia come to terms with it? What do you think about her decision?

This is going to sound really harsh, but Cecilia is a baby. She is too old to be acting like a teenage girl with a head full of air. In the end, she was such a snot just because of how Micke and her ended. She lost of all her dignity when she couldn't deal with the situation with the tiny bit of grace it required. Out of all the characters, Cecilia is the character I dislike the most and have no sympathy for. And that is saying something with Martin the Malevolent Sadistic Murdering Freak in the line-up, too.

7. How successfully does Larsson develop Lisbeth's connection to her mother? Is there anything about their relationship that helps shed light on Lisbeth's behavior?

They didn't seem to have that much of a connection. It felt like a relationship built on obligation. The fact that Lisbeth is seen with her mother and not another parent, is a clue, but as to light being shed of Lisbeth's character, all this told me is she was at times a dutiful daughter and maybe her and her mother may have been party to the same trials which is why Lisbeth felt a sense of obligation to visit her mother. Lisbeth's make-up didn't seem to operate on such emotional terms so it was clear her mother is a part of who made her who she is.

8. Were you surprised by the book's portrayal of right-wing fanaticism and violence against women in a country known for its liberal views?

I was quite taken aback by the amount of violence toward women, just because of the grand scale and detail with which it was presented. That it took or takes place, is not surprising. And I don't think right-wing/left-wing has anything to do with it. In a country full of mostly white males, it is not a surprise that they have a high violence rate. Most murders are committed by young (20-35) white males and women are their usual targets. As for the right-wing fanaticism, maybe it's just me, but being a Conservative Republican, I didn't see that much of what I would deem 'right-wing fanaticism'.

9. Which character's duplicity -- or innocence -- did you find the most unexpected? Which one emerged as your favorite?

Duplicity, duh, Martin. Of course, in the end it made total sense, :lol:, but at the time I was shocked!! Innocence, well, no one comes to mind as being an 'OMG! They're innocent!' so. . . yeah. *shrugs* As to my favorite, that is a tie between Lisbeth and Vanger (the big Vanger, can't remember his name right now! The one who hired Micke in the first place! :D)

10. Discuss Mikael Blomkvist's role in the investigation. Do you feel that he made as important a contribution as Lisbeth? Why or why not?

I think they both made important contributions. They were really headed along the same path and just added to one another's findings. The story would have never come together without BOTH of them.

11. The narrative contained a number of plot twists. Who did you imagine sent the framed flowers to Vanger each year?

Okay, well, I actually read the synopsis of the book online, so I knew Harriet was alive and the one sending them, but if I hadn't of known, I would have said the killer or someone in the family who wanted to rattle Vanger's cage.

And now. . . onto Age of Innocence. :D

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When my book comes out in 10 years...promise to read it :D :lol:

How could we not?? :lol: We knew you when. . . :p


I love all the language of the 20's I wish that I'd been born then. I bought my house just because it was built in the 20's and am trying to keep it as a period home.

I love period homes! Victorians are my favorite, but there is this one house in my town that was built in the 20's. I am so in love with it. It is still the same on the outside, very well-maintained but has all the comforts of modern-day on the inside while still seeming to be back in time, if that is possible. It's been on the market for ages and I would love to be the one who buys it, but I don't have $229,000 just laying around. :( If I could pick the decade to be born in, it would definitely be the 30's, so I could be a young adult in the 50's. Actually, anytime before the 70's and after the civil war is good with me. :D

[pizzahead2490]

How weird is this....
Edith Wharton was born January 24th...which is my birthday
She lived in New York as do I
She's a writer.... so am I...sort of
She died August 11...which is my mother's birthday

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[hughie87]

How weird is this....
Edith Wharton was born January 24th...which is my birthday
She lived in New York as do I
She's a writer.... so am I...sort of
She died August 11...which is my mother's birthday

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Wow. . . That's a lot of coincidences. Maybe she's meant to be your inspiration or something. I share my birthday with Harry Potter. :o:lol::D

I love the cover of this book! It makes me feel so. . . deep. I have no idea why, but the book jacket and the title make me feel like I have sophistication. :lol: Only in Chapter 3 and may I say Newland Archer is quite the dandy!! I would hate to deal with them, but I love all the social politics from this age. Such class.

[pizzahead2490]

Wow. . . That's a lot of coincidences. Maybe she's meant to be your inspiration or something. I share my birthday with Harry Potter. :o:lol::D

I love the cover of this book! It makes me feel so. . . deep. I have no idea why, but the book jacket and the title make me feel like I have sophistication. :lol: Only in Chapter 3 and may I say Newland Archer is quite the dandy!! I would hate to deal with them, but I love all the social politics from this age. Such class.

I'm curious to know the age of Mr. Archer. I have to remind myself that this is the time where looks means the utmost importance. So when he described someone as wearing a Empire gown than doesn't qualify him as being immediately gay :lol: But I love how they describe old New York, mostly because I know about most of the places they are talking about it' quite interesting.

[pizzahead2490]

I read the book!!! I finished it! Once I started I could not stop now I am crying! I am freaking crying and I can't stop crying! AHHHHHHHHHH :( :( The facts of life my ass! WHYYYYYY??????? :( :( :( :( :( AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I can't formulate a proper sentence right now! :(

[hughie87]

I'm only halfway done, but I am echoing Kay's sentiments. I'm seriously pissed that Archer would do this to himself, to May AND to Ellen. :mad:

[pizzahead2490]

I'm only halfway done, but I am echoing Kay's sentiments. I'm seriously pissed that Archer would do this to himself, to May AND to Ellen. :mad:

It's complicated, conflicting...

Where are you right now?

[BohoRoohaha]

I'm kind of struggling through it . I'm not even half way through. The beginning was tough for me just because it was slow although you needed it to set up new York society. It's starting to pick up and get interesting.

[hughie87]

It's complicated, conflicting...

Where are you right now?


Archer and May just got married and are on their honeymoon in England discussing dinner with the Carfry lady. I'm very upset about this whole Ellen thing. It pisses me off that Archer is marrying someone he does not love. It's hard to believe, that in the world we live in today, where most people do get to marry for love, this has to happen. I hate stories like this! And May is just blissfully happy in her ignorance and it's killing me! I'm not the biggest fan of Ellen (I feel I can relate more to boring old May) but the scene with Archer and Ellen was so heart-breaking! Him telling her that she was the one he wanted to marry was so sad. I don't really like Archer because I think that even back then, if he had a sense of dignity (and I know they were different times and Society and all that) but I feel he would do the right thing and break off the engagement to May. Of course, that would then embarrass her and he doesn't want to do that because he does feel something for her. . . So many things and views on this book it's frustrating!!

Yes, Kay, as you can see, seriously conflicting!! :lol:

[BohoRoohaha]

This is OT but I've come to a new rule: I have to read one new book and one that I already own.this makesme slowly go through the books I've got and prevents me from buying new ones. Also creates a two book rule. More than that and it juat gets confusing. Anyone have a rule like that?

[starflower69]

Ladies I haven't even started it yet!!! I just haven't had time. I've been carrying it around in the hope that I'll get a spare couple of hours to get into it and it just hasn't happened. I have a plan to get all my chores done tomorrow, grab a takeaway, read for a couple of hours and then Smallville. Plan I say, whether this happens I'll have to wait and see :lol:

[hughie87]

This is OT but I've come to a new rule: I have to read one new book and one that I already own.this makesme slowly go through the books I've got and prevents me from buying new ones. Also creates a two book rule. More than that and it juat gets confusing. Anyone have a rule like that?

I so do this!! :rotfl: I read whatever we're reading in here and then when I finish, during the in-between I read a book that I own (I have probably over 100 that I haven't read :o) and then I either read a book that has caught my eye or go to the library. Wow. It is so awesome to know there are other people out there like me!! :D

[pizzahead2490]

Archer and May just got married and are on their honeymoon in England discussing dinner with the Carfry lady. I'm very upset about this whole Ellen thing. It pisses me off that Archer is marrying someone he does not love. It's hard to believe, that in the world we live in today, where most people do get to marry for love, this has to happen. I hate stories like this! And May is just blissfully happy in her ignorance and it's killing me! I'm not the biggest fan of Ellen (I feel I can relate more to boring old May) but the scene with Archer and Ellen was so heart-breaking! Him telling her that she was the one he wanted to marry was so sad. I don't really like Archer because I think that even back then, if he had a sense of dignity (and I know they were different times and Society and all that) but I feel he would do the right thing and break off the engagement to May. Of course, that would then embarrass her and he doesn't want to do that because he does feel something for her. . . So many things and views on this book it's frustrating!!

Yes, Kay, as you can see, seriously conflicting!! :lol:

But that would be a scandal. And you can not forget their world they are living in. Scandal is worse than disease for them. I try to put myself in their shoes right through out the book. I don't think May is stupid at all I think she is prejudice and a closed minded. I do like Archer...he is some kind of gentleman. I can't tell you why now but trust me he is. He caress about May as well and he loves Ellen. Ellen loves her family she would never want to hurt them. That's why she basically told Archer to marry May. It's complicated. Ellen is not a Home wrecker so you can't hate her. May is not a ***** so you can't hate her and Archer is not a dick so you can't hate him. It's complicated and it's a very complicated society.

We say it's easy to do one thing but it' much easier said than done. And I think this entire book is a testimonial to that saying.