Episode Wars - Best of All Seasons

[vyperman7]

Episode Wars

History

Episode wars was created by myself years ago in S3. It had a lot of success but I never went back to it. Now years later, I have decided to resurrect the game due to the fact that I was tired of all the "favorite episode/season" threads going around. The game allows people to vote based on their favorite episode on the number in the season. When I initially resurrected this game, I had no idea how popular would become. Now five years later, it has become a summer tradition that a lot of KSite people look forward to. I only hope that we get the majority of the players back this year because it was taken out of the general forum and moved to the Smallville Games section awhile back.

Example :

Round One

Episode 1- Pilot , Vortex, Exile, Crusade, Arrival, and Zod
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis, Heat, Phoenix, Gone, Mortal, and Sneeze
Episode 3- Hothead, Duplicity, Extinction, Facade, Hidden, and Wither

You choose your favorite eps based on the episode number.

A round should look like :

Episode 1 - Exile
Episode 2 - Heat
Episode 3 - Hidden

Then 4-6 and so on..

Goal :

To establish a 22 episode season based on the fans' choices of each episode number.

Rules

1) Once your choices are made, there is no going back for the round. All votes are final. I keep a running total of votes through out the round, to prevent vote changes.

2) You are allowed to post why you made the choices you did, and discussion is allowed and highly encouraged. Debating is half the fun. However, PLEASE keep the discussions civil and do not bash someone for their choices. Remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

3) If there is a tie, which happened more than a few times the last time around, there will be a 3 day sudden death vote off between the two episodes that tied.

4) Each round will consist of three days to get as many votes as possible. Please make sure to highlight your choices clearly with the black text modifier to make it as easy as possible when I am tallying the votes. Also make sure to state the episode number you are voting for.

The black text modifier is putting a B in brackets before your choice, and then after your choice putting a /B in brackets.

5) Due to the fact that S2 has 23 episodes, Calling/Exodus are combined as one episode to face off against the other season finales, with the acception of Tempest since it is number 21 of S1.

2006 Winning Season

Episode 1 - Exile
Episode 2 - Heat
Episode 3 - Hidden (Pretty much unanimous.. LOL)
Episode 4 - Red
Episode 5 - Perry (Beat Run by one vote)
Episode 6 - Transference
Episode 7 - Splinter (Pretty much unanimous)
Episode 8 - Shattered (Pretty much unanimous)
Episode 9 - Rogue
Episode 10 - Scare (Beat Skinwalker by 1 vote)
Episode 11 - Hug (Beat Lockdown by 1 vote)
Episode 12 - Leech
Episode 13 - Vengenance
Episode 14 - Obsession
Episode 15 - Nicodemus
Episode 16 - Stray
Episode 17 - Rosetta
Episode 18 - Truth
Episode 19 - Memoria (Beat Blank 15-13 in Sudden Death)
Episode 20 - Talisman
Episode 21 - Oracle
Episode 22 - Commencement

2007 Winning Season

1) Exile (11-10 Sudden Death)
2) Heat
3) Hidden (Pretty much unanimous)
4) Arrow (Beat Red by one vote)
5) Perry
6) Transference (Pretty much unanimous)
7) Splinter (Pretty much unanimous)
8) Shattered (Pretty much unanimous)
9) Rogue
10) Hydro (Pretty much unanimous)
11) Justice (Pretty much unanimous)
12) Labrynth (16-11 over Leech sudden death)
13) Crimson
14) Rush
15) Freak
16) Stray (Beat Crisis 9-8)
17) Rosetta
18) Truth
19) Nemesis
20) Talisman
21) Tempest
22) Commencement

2008 Winning Season

1) Exile
2) Heat
3) Hidden (Almost Unanimous got 22/30 votes)
4) Red
5) Perry (Beat Run by 2 votes)
6) Transference (Almost Unanimous got 25/27 votes)
7) Splinter (22/34 votes)
8) Shattered (23/34 votes)
9) Rogue (Closest margin yet Rogue 10 votes, Asylum 9 votes, and Gemini 8 votes)
10) Hydro
11) Justice
12) Labrynth (Close round - Labrynth 11 votes, Insurgence 9 votes, Leech 7 votes)
13) Crimson
14) Traveler
15) Freak
16) Descent
17) Rosetta
18) Apocalypse
19) Nemesis (Beat Memoria 14-7)
20) Talisman
21) Tempest
22) Commencement

2009 Winning Season

1) Arrival (Beat Exile 10-7)
2) Heat
3) Hidden
4) Red
5) Run (Beat Perry 12-6)
6) Transference (Almost unaminous)
7) Identity (Beat Splinter 16-6)
8) Shattered (Almost unaminous)
9) Rogue
10) Hydro ( Beat Bride 10-9)
11) Legion (Beat Justice 11-9)
12) Labrynth ( Beat Insurgence 11-9)
13) Crimson
14) Traveler
15) Infamous
16) Descent (Pretty much unaminous)
17) Rosetta (Beat Hex 13-12)
18) Apocalypse (Pretty much unaminous)
19) Nemesis
20) Talisman
21) Tempest
22) Commencement

2010 Winning Season

1) Crusade (Beat Exile 9-8)
2) Metallo (Beat Mortal 9-7)
3) Rabid (Beat Hidden 11-10)
4) Red (Beat Devoted 13-6)
5) Run (Beat Committed 12-11)
6) Transference (Beat Crossfire 19-8)
7) Identity
8) Idol (Beat Shattered 10-9)
9) Rogue
10) Hydro
11) Absolute Justice
12) Labryinth (Beat Insurgence 10-8)
13) Crimson (Beat Vengeance 8-7)
14) Obsession
15) Infamous
16) Descent
17) Rosetta (Beat Hex 13-11)
18) Apocalypse
19) Nemesis (Beat Blank 9-7)
20) Hostage
21) Oracle
22) Salvation (Beat Commencement 13-7)

2011 Winning Season

1) Pilot
2) Heat
3) Rabid
4) Homecoming
5) Run
6 Transference
7) Identity
8) Idol (Beat Shattered 9-8)
9) Rogue
10) Luthor (Beat Hyrdo 7-6)
11) Unsafe
12) Labyrinth (Beat Insurgence 9-8 in Sudden Death)
13) Crimson
14) Masquerade
15) Infamous
16) Descent
17) Rosetta
18) Apocalypse
19) Blank (Beat Nemesis 6-5)
20) Talisman
21) Oracle
22) Salvation (winner of the finale round)

[angelus666]

Hey Ryan this is a cool idea I actually thought about this a year or two back great minds think a like hey.

Episode 1 "Exile"

Episode 2 "Heat"

Episode 3 "Hidden"

Wow what a season so far.

[BadToad]

Cool Ryan :)

Episode 1 : Exile
Episode 2 : Mortal
Episode 3: Hidden

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by angelus666
Hey Ryan this is a cool idea I actually thought about this a year or two back great minds think a like hey.

That doesn't suprise me too much dude. I swear, I have more in common with you than practically any other poster on the site.


Originally posted by BadToad
Cool Ryan :)

Thanks for voting :)

I think it will be cool to see what type of overall season the voters decide on. It is easy to choose a favorite episode when you are only dealing with one season, but when you try and compare to all the seasons it is tough.

I really wanted to vote for both Exile and Vortex, as well as Mortal, but you can only choose one.. :(

[canon]

My choices are:

Episode 1: Arrival
Episode 2: Heat
Episode 3: Hidden

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by canon
My choices are:

Episode 1: Arrival
Episode 2: Heat
Episode 3: Hidden

Good choices. Great minds huh :D

Thanks for voting!

[Clark Kent 86]

It was hard to decide but here are my choices:

1. Pilot
2. Heat
3. Duplicity (Pete was great)

[grenator]

1. Arrival
2. Mortal
3. Hidden

[Heilige]

1. Arrival
2. Mortal
3. Hidden

[TacoSmith]

No question:

1. Arrival
2. Heat
3. Hidden

*again, with the "great minds" thing

[red-K glory]

1. Exile
2. Heat
3. Duplicity

All of those are great episodes!!!!:)

[goldylocks_k]

episode 1: Exile
episode 2: Mortal
episode 3: Hidden

[tw190]

1. Arrival
2. Mortal
3. Hidden

Though it was hard to chose Arrival over Pilot... but Arrival is just... wowza. :)

[Zungas]

1.Pilot
2.Phoenix
3.Hidden

[LEXander the Great]

401 Crusade
302 Phoenix
503 Hidden

[vyperman7]

Thanks for the votes everyone. Great choices so far!

[mac19]

1. Crusade
2. Phoenix
3. Hidden

[Donnie Brasco]

1. Exile
2. Heat
3. Hidden

[FreakyDroid]

1. Crusade
2. Heat
3. Hidden

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by mac19
1. Crusade
2. Phoenix
3. Hidden


Originally posted by Zungas
1.Pilot
2.Phoenix
3.Hidden


Originally posted by LEXander the Great
401 Crusade
302 Phoenix
503 Hidden

Hmm.

This is very interesting. I never would have thought that people would skip Exile but choose Phoenix, especially since Exile and Phoenix are a two episode series. Personally, I found Phoenix to be somewhat dissapointing because of the Clark/Johnathan fight and how the events didn't carry over well. Exile was amazing, but to me Phoenix was only average.

This is why I love episode wars. You never know what people will vote for.

[Lexgirl33]

1. Exile
2. Heat
3. Duplicity

[luthorian]

Episode 1

S3 - Exile

Episode 2

S2 - Heat

Episode 3

S5 - Hidden

episode 2 was really hard to pick :\

[SManBeyond]

1) Crusade
2) Phoenix
3) Hidden

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by luthorian
episode 2 was really hard to pick :\

For me, the hardest choice was episode one because I love Arrival, Exile, Vortex, and the Pilot almost all equally. I only like each episode a little bit more than the last. For me, Heat was the best second episode. Phoenix was kind of dissapointing, and even though I really enjoyed Mortal, I still found Heat to be a better episode overall because I liked how they handled Clark getting heat vision.

I also had somewhat of a hard time with episode three. Duplicity is one of my favorite episodes, and I really wanted to choose it. But techically speaking, Hidden was better.

[Watching Smallville]

This is a great idea.

1. Pilot

2. Mortal

3. Duplicity

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
This is a great idea.

1. Pilot

2. Mortal

3. Duplicity

Thanks for the props on the idea. Glad that you enjoy it. I actually wanted to choose all three of these, but I liked other episodes in the category just a bit better.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Hmm.

This is very interesting. I never would have thought that people would skip Exile but choose Phoenix, especially since Exile and Phoenix are a two episode series. Personally, I found Phoenix to be somewhat dissapointing because of the Clark/Johnathan fight and how the events didn't carry over well. Exile was amazing, but to me Phoenix was only average.

This is why I love episode wars. You never know what people will vote for.

I know what you mean Ryan I didn't think anyone would skip "Exile" but pick "Phoenix" either. I agree that "Phoenix" was abit of a let down especially considering it was straight after my favorite episode of all time in "Exile".


Originally posted by vyperman7
For me, the hardest choice was episode one because I love Arrival, Exile, Vortex, and the Pilot almost all equally. I only like each episode a little bit more than the last. For me, Heat was the best second episode. Phoenix was kind of dissapointing, and even though I really enjoyed Mortal, I still found Heat to be a better episode overall because I liked how they handled Clark getting heat vision.

Yeah the season premiere always has great episodes I would personally choose Exile, Arrival, Pilot, Vortex then Crusade but even "Crusade" my least favorite Premiere was still really good.

I will bet anyone $1000 dollars when Episode 8 is up for voting that "Shattered" will win it's to damn good it can't loose.

[vyperman7]

I agree Josh.

If Shattered loses I would very shocked. That is actually still my favorite episode. Crusade is my least favorite premiere as well, but it was still a very good episode overall. I just didn't enjoy it quite as much as the others.

[MamaK]

Episode 1 - Pilot (would you believe I haven't seen Arrival yet!:() When I do I think this might change!

Episode 2 - Heat
Episode 3 - Hidden

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by MamaK
Episode 1 - Pilot (would you believe I haven't seen Arrival yet!:() When I do I think this might change!

Episode 2 - Heat
Episode 3 - Hidden

That is a shame that you have not seen Arrival yet. It is the best episode of season five in my opinion. Thanks for voting!

[lou89]

Cool idea :D

1. Exile
2. Phoenix
3. Hidden

[msw44]

1) Arrival
2) Phoenix
3) Hidden

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by angelus666
I will bet anyone $1000 dollars when Episode 8 is up for voting that "Shattered" will win it's to damn good it can't loose. Shattered would go up against Splinter. You might have a contest there. ;)

[i love u tom]

- Exile
- Gone
- Hidden

[LEXander the Great]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Shattered would go up against Splinter. You might have a contest there. ;)

the Solitude will be the Shattered's opponent. That was the 8th episode of the fifth season.

But there's no question: the Shattered will win the match.
THE BEST EPISODE EVER.

[vyperman7]

Thanks for the votes everyone. Keep em coming. I wish we could get more people involved, because it will turn out even better the more votes we have.


Originally posted by LEXander the Great
But there's no question: the Shattered will win the match.
THE BEST EPISODE EVER.

I agree that it is the best episode of the show. I doubt that they will have an episode that I will love more. There have been episodes that I really enjoyed. But none as much as Shattered.

[Insight]

1) Crusade- this was just a great episode, even though the stones story went south, you have to admit the idea was intriguing at first, plus the flying was awesome.

2) Phoenix- again, this is a great ep which sets up the rest of the season with the Morgan edge stuff.

3) Hidden- the best Smallville episode ever, hands down, no contest, The End. This one had everything you could ever want in an episode.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Insight
1) Crusade- this was just a great episode, even though the stones story went south, you have to admit the idea was intriguing at first, plus the flying was awesome.

2) Phoenix- again, this is a great ep which sets up the rest of the season with the Morgan edge stuff.

3) Hidden- the best Smallville episode ever, hands down, no contest, The End. This one had everything you could ever want in an episode.

For Crusade, the flying sequences were great. But it takes more than great effects to make an episode. Even though I enjoyed the episode overall, especially with how Lois and Clark met for the first time, it felt too rushed to me.

Phoenix was a dissapointment to me. Like I said previously, I find it funny that people would skip Exile but choose Phoenix. The fight between Clark and JK was too short, and the events from Exile did not carry over well. Aside from Exile/Phoenix, Edge was only in one other episode in Shattered. Therefore, there wasn't that much to set up with Morgan Edge.

I chose Hidden as well. I definately enjoyed the episode. But best ever? I would say that it is one of S5's best eps, but not of the whole series. That is just my opinion though.

Thanks for voting!

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I chose Hidden as well. I definately enjoyed the episode. But best ever? I would say that it is one of S5's best eps, but not of the whole series. That is just my opinion though.

I no what you mean Ryan "Hidden" was one of the best episodes of the season but not one of the best of the series IMO. Im shocked at how many people think it's the greatest episode off all time dont get me wrong it was really good probably the third best episode of the season after "Splinter" and "Arrival" but its no "Shattered" or "Memoria".

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by angelus666
I no what you mean Ryan "Hidden" was one of the best episodes of the season but not one of the best of the series IMO. Im shocked at how many people think it's the greatest episode off all time dont get me wrong it was really good probably the third best episode of the season after "Splinter" and "Arrival" but its no "Shattered" or "Memoria".

You continue to prove why you are the man Josh!

I am always shocked when people call Hidden the best episode of the series as well. I always think to myself "Yeah it was a good episode, and one of S5's best. But the whole show?"

**********************

My Top 5 for the whole show :

1) Shattered - It is still my all time favorite episode. I love the pacing of the episode along with the suspense that it brought. I also thought Lex's discovery of Clark's powers to be extremely welll done, and the ending with Lex in the straight jacket set to Johnny Cash's "Hurt" was perfect.

2) Arrival - This episode had everything I wanted to see in it. The intro of the FOS, Chloe and Clark finally getting closer in terms of his powers, Kryptonians wreaking havock, and the intro of Brainiac set to Precious by Depeche Mode. My only gripe was the fight between the Kryptonians and Clark. The rest of the episode was spot on. I still get chills when I see the scene where Jor-El says to Clark "Welcome home my son" inside the FOS.

3) Rogue - The most underrated episode in the history of the show. I still don't know why more people don't love this episode more. It has my favorite effects sequence with the bus, outstanding Superman references, one of the show's best villains in Phaelon who was not a FOTW, and one of my all time favorite endings with Lex seeing the blur on his computer. The only reason why I like Arrival more is because it is more mythos based. But this episode is as good as they come.

4) Exile - One of my all time favorites and definately one of the best of the series. I loved everything about this episode. The bank robbery is reason enough to watch this episode, but then you add the excellent music throughout, the great cliffhanger, the introduction of Morgan Edge, etc.. The only thing I dislike about this episode is the scenes with Lex on the island. I can appreciate the forshadowing. But it slowed down the pace of the episode. One of the best camera shots of the series though is when the camera zooms from the Zigeeth painting on the wall into the island that is a similar design and it continues to zoom down into Lex's face. My only other gripe is Chloe's hair. I think this was the only episode where I wasn't attracted to Allison Mack. It looked like she got her hair cut with a weed wacker. I am happy they fixed it for Phoenix.

5) Run - A fantastic episode from beginning to end. We got a lot of really nice interaction between Bart and Clark, cool displays of Bart's power, and an awesome send off. My favorite scene of the series is the race at the end. It just forshadows the future so well. I especially love Bart's quote "I think I'll start like a club or a league or something" - Classic!!

[red-K glory]

Vyperman I agree with you that Shattered, Exile, and Rogue were 3 of the best episodes of the series but I am not sure about Arrival and Run. Arrival is a really good episode but not one of my favorites of the series, and Run is one of my few favorite episodes of season 4 which is saying a lot because the majority of season 4 was not really that great in my opinion. The only really good eps of S4 were Run, Transference, Scare, Onyx, Spirit, Blank. Commencement was pretty good as well but it was my least favorite season finale for some reason. Rogue, Shattered, and Exile are definitely on my list of favorite episodes though.:)

[vyperman7]

Hey man, it's all good. That is why everyone has different opinions. :D

I was happy to see that you hold Rogue is such high esteem though. There are a lot of people that did not think that much of it. Why it isn't more well liked, I have no idea.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
3) Rogue - The most underrated episode in the history of the show. I still don't know why more people don't love this episode more. It has my favorite effects sequence with the bus, outstanding Superman references, one of the show's best villains in Phaelon who was not a FOTW, and one of my all time favorite endings with Lex seeing the blur on his computer. The only reason why I like Arrival more is because it is more mythos based. But this episode is as good as they come.

Hell yeah "Rogue" is the most underated episode of the show it was so well done everything was spot on from the bus sequence to Clark having to control his temper or risk killing someone and Phaelon IMO was the best villian of the series Nixon was close but Phaelon is the man I also liked how they used him in "Zero".

The second most underated episode for me would have to be "Skinwalker" it was just such a great mytho episode I loved the character Kyla and the introduction of the caves which is the reason Season 2 is my favorite season. Another episode I think was highly underated was "Leech" it was great to see Clark dealing with life without powers but still being a hero on the inside.

[Chesay]

1) Pilot
2) Heat
3) Extinction

[MamaK]

Originally posted by vyperman7
That is a shame that you have not seen Arrival yet. It is the best episode of season five in my opinion. Thanks for voting!

I know! But I think it's on next week in repeats so I'll get my chance then. And no problem about voting - I think this is a really cool idea. Keep it going :D

[LionelLuthor]

1. Vortex
2. Heat
3. Duplicity

Hmm, I didn't even have to change anything!
The season 2 dvd, disc 1, is the best disc for episodes.
Vortex, Heat, Duplicity, Red- immense!!!
Ryan, we've talked about this before, but I completely agree with you on 'Rogue' being possibly the best episode, and extremely underated.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
1. Vortex
2. Heat
3. Duplicity

Whoa feel the season 2 love.:D

[angelus666]

Hey Ryan is it cool to move on to the next series of episodes if so I choose.

Episode 4 - Red (A very good episode easily top 10 IMO. X-Ray was a cool episode and close second.

Episode 5 - Run (A very easy choice even considering it was facing Perry which I consider a very solid episode.)

Episode 6 - Transference (Hardest choice of the three because of Relic and Hourglass both being great but Transeference was to hard to pass up)

[vyperman7]

That is hilarious Josh!!

I was just tallying the votes as you typed that. We are on the same brainwaves man.. :lol:

Everyone keep refering to the first post for results and updated choices.

My choices :

Ep 4- Red
Ep 5- Run
Ep 6- Transference

I agree with Josh about episode 6. I loved both Hourglass and Relic, but Transference is my favorite out of the three.

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by vyperman7

My choices :

Ep 4- Red
Ep 5- Run
Ep 6- Transference


Same here

[LEXander the Great]

204 Red
405 Run (hard choice... the flash versus perry)
406 Transference

[Watching Smallville]

This list needs a little variety. :p

4. X-Ray
5. Perry
6. Transference

[mac19]

4. Red
5. Perry
6. Relic, love the idea of jorel being here first to prepare the caves for clark!!!

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by mac19

6. Relic, love the idea of jorel being here first to prepare the caves for clark!!!

Yeah me too, but that episode would have been much more interesting IMO if it was a flashback from Krypton

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by FreakyDroid
Yeah me too, but that episode would have been much more interesting IMO if it was a flashback from Krypton

Doesn't that kind of go against the point of the episode? The whole reason for the episode was to show that Jor-El was exiled to earth by his father. The episode focused on his time on earth. So it would not make much sense storyline wise to showa flashback of Krypton.

[xrayvision]

If any episode should have shown more of Krypton, it should have been Memoria, though Clark was way too young to have any memories of it. I didn't find it realistic how he remembered his mother's name.

[red-K glory]

Here is my list

4. Red (great episode!)
5. Perry (with Run close behind)
6. Relic (Transference was also very good)

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Doesn't that kind of go against the point of the episode? The whole reason for the episode was to show that Jor-El was exiled to earth by his father. The episode focused on his time on earth. So it would not make much sense storyline wise to showa flashback of Krypton.

Correct, but I didn't mean it in that way, at least not completely. Some parts on Earth, like Lana's aunt and Eurum Kent, (which were the main points of that episode, Earth love and why the Kents were chosen by Jor-El to send them their son) and some parts with flashbacks from Krypton. I admit, it wouldn't fit so much in the storyline of that episode, but I think it would've been nice if the journal started with Jor-El talking with his father, before comming on Earth. After all, he received the journall on Krypton, if I'm not mistaking. So IMO a short scene of 30s would've given the episode a different, more interesting feeling.

[BadToad]

Duh, nevermind, I see Ryan listed them in the first post

Episode 4: Devoted
Episode 5: Perry
Episode 6: Transference

(And Yippeeee! for Exile. My favorite :D )

[LionelLuthor]

4. Red (One of those episodes you can watch non stop)
5. Perry (Run was amazing, but I liked Clark's powers fluxing here)
6. Transference. (No contest!)

[angelus666]

Originally posted by BadToad
(And Yippeeee! for Exile. My favorite :D )

I second that Yippeeee for Exile. Yah all my episodes made it.

[luthorian]

4. Red

5. Perry

6. Transference

Well this round was easy.. no contest. I also think these are the funniest smallville episodes; Red brought a new sight of Clark to the show and a lot of interest, Perry was fun cause I always love episodes that mess with Clark's powers. Transference made me laugh so many times and Tom Welling did his best acting in that episode. It's not only my favorite episode from season 4 but pretty close the best episode ever.

*remembers Clionel pushing Jason out the door*:rotfl:

[canon]

My choices are:

Ep 4 : Xray
Ep 5: Run
Ep 6 : Transference

Tough one for me on Episode 4......I both like Xray and Red

[Watching Smallville]

Me, too. That was a tough choice. But the new power eps are so much fun. Although Red is sort of like a new power ep, too...

[xrayvision]

4. Red

5. Run (very close behind are Perry & Cool- liked both these episodes very much)

6. Transference

[kryptonguy]

4. Red
5. Perry
- Run was close, but what killed it for me was the entire map part. I did not like how that entire arc was handled.

6. Hourglass
- I am surpised nobody has mentioned this. While it was really close to transference what killed transference for me was the fact that Clark didn't come out and tell the crew what happened (he could play dumb as to how exactly he did it....just something in his hand). As for Relic, I really liked it as well but he was a little too open with the entire I am having memories from the 50s/60s (whenever it was). Hourglass wins for me because it really is the first time we get a look at Lex and Clark's destiny. I would say the fact that Lexes true motives for befriending Clark came out in this episode....Lex was being manipulative....the great things instead of good things line was right on.....and finally Lex's future. Not just what his future was to her, but also that it ended up overwhelming her to the point of death....just priceless to me.

Another side note against Transference....it was the first possession episode (or the first big one), and after it everyone on smallville has pretty much been possessed by someone. I just think it was a good episode, but ended up hurting future episode with too much of a good thing.

[emsfan]

Episode 1 Arrival

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by emsfan
Episode 1 Arrival

Round 1 is already closed.

Each round deals with a new set of three episodes. We are on episodes four, five, and six now.

[msw44]

4. Devoted- I wasn't crazy about Red, and I thought Chloe as a cheerleader was fantastic!
5. Perry- Great forshadowing to Clark's future
6. Transference- One of the best episodes in Smallville!! Although I also enjoyed Relic, you can't beat Transference.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by msw44
4. Devoted- I wasn't crazy about Red, and I thought Chloe as a cheerleader was fantastic!
5. Perry- Great forshadowing to Clark's future
6. Transference- One of the best episodes in Smallville!! Although I also enjoyed Relic, you can't beat Transference.

I am suprised to see that you didn't enjoy Red. That has always been one of the more popular eps for the fans. I loved Devoted too however. I feel that it got a bum rap. A lot of people disliked it, but I thought it was a great episode. Very entertaining.

[xrayvision]

I didn't hate Devoted as everyone else did (thought it was much better than Facade). But compared to Red, it just doesn't measure up for me. Red is another well written, very well acted episode. Very entertaining, and that $2000 coat was cool to see (I gotta get me one of those). Clark shooting at his hand was so much cooler and better done that Lex imitating the same thing in Vessel (with those horrible screeches from Lana).

Xray was another decent 4th episode as was Slumber. Aqua is probably either the 4th or 5th ranked for me for the fourth episode.

Episode 23 will obviously be Exodus hands down since S2 was the only one to have a 23rd episode (which is one of the reasons I loved that season so much along with the Calling-Exodus 2 part storyline that continued for another 2 episodes into the 3rd season and had those Superman theme scores that gave them such an ominous feel). But I'll talk more about that later.

[vyperman7]

Hey X-Ray, Exodus being number twenty-three always causes a problem because as you pointed out it was the only 23rd episode. Back when I ran the last one, I didn't know what to do about it then either. My only suggestion would be thinking of Calling and Exodus as one long episode.

By the way, the concept of "Urk-El" is hilarious man.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I didn't hate Devoted as everyone else did (thought it was much better than Facade). But compared to Red, it just doesn't measure up for me. Red is another well written, very well acted episode.

Yeah thats the way I feel "Devoted" was very good but it can't compare to "Red". "Red" was really good easily in my top 10 episodes of the series it was the first time I stoped and thought wow Tom Welling is really talented actor.

[SManBeyond]

4. Devoted
5. Run
6. Transference

[thedarknight]

X-Ray

Run

Transferance

[Miss L]

4: Hard choice!......Red (nice change of pace for Clark!)

5: Man Another choice between 2 I like!........Perry (love Michael McKean)

6:Transference...no contest!

[vyperman7]

It is funny because I thought that Run was a shoe-in for episode 5. Yet a lot of people are going with Perry. I love Perry. I just love Run more.

[msw44]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I am suprised to see that you didn't enjoy Red. That has always been one of the more popular eps for the fans. I loved Devoted too however. I feel that it got a bum rap. A lot of people disliked it, but I thought it was a great episode. Very entertaining.

I know that most people love Red, but I didn't like the whole Jessie storyline. Plus, I like goodie-goodie Clark, not bad boy Clark. The only time I've liked Clark on the Red-K is in Unsafe with Alicia. That was fun to watch. ;)


Originally posted by vyperman7
It is funny because I thought that Run was a shoe-in for episode 5. Yet a lot of people are going with Perry. I love Perry. I just love Run more.

Run, in my opinion, was pretty good, but I like Perry a lot better because it deals with Superman specifically. Superman is the only "superhero" that I really like (mostly because of Smallville), so The Flash episode didn't interest me all that much. However, I thought it was cool in Aqua how Clark made a reference to meeting Bart. I voted for Perry because it was great forshadowing into Clark's future, and I thought Michael McKean did a GREAT job as Perry-- funny and believable.

[Smallville is the best]

4. Aqua
5. Run
6. Exposed

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
It is funny because I thought that Run was a shoe-in for episode 5. Yet a lot of people are going with Perry. I love Perry. I just love Run more. I thought I was going to be the only one who chose Perry. I'm glad I have company. That episode was just so funny. Tom plays embarrassed Clark really well -- he's got a great comic sense. And I agree with msw44 - having some of the Superman story in SV is always a good thing.

[Miss L]

Originally posted by vyperman7
It is funny because I thought that Run was a shoe-in for episode 5. Yet a lot of people are going with Perry. I love Perry. I just love Run more.

I was torn between Run and Perry, really. Almost had to toss a coin. Michael McKean was the edge in that race for me.

X-Ray, Devoted and Red were also neck and neck and neck for me, and if there were 3 of me there would have been a rock, paper, scissors show-down.

Hard choices.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Hey X-Ray, Exodus being number twenty-three always causes a problem because as you pointed out it was the only 23rd episode. Back when I ran the last one, I didn't know what to do about it then either. My only suggestion would be thinking of Calling and Exodus as one long episode.

By the way, the concept of "Urk-El" is hilarious man.

I'm hoping they have another 23rd episode (they should have done 23 from S2 on since it worked so well that they had more time to tell the story than rush it all).

Thanks for the positive comment Vyperman. I remember seeing a photo of him in the suit once (I found parts of the episode on one of my tapes and made screen captures). I have another that I wanted to use with the current one to make an animated GIF, but the program I used to use to make them is gone.

Check your messages. I left you one a few weeks ago about how to make videos. I'd like to try it once, and your advice would be great.

[vyperman7]

It is all about the "Urk-El".. :lol: Damn that is hilarious.

Wanted to mention something about Transference really quick. A scene that I love is when Clark throws his arms up in the air at the beginning. He looks like such a dork, and it makes me laugh everytime I see the scene. He gave off a real "Rocky" type vibe there.

X-Ray - I would be happy to help you out man.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
There were 23 eps in Season 2 because there were only 21 eps in season 1. They were originally going to do Tempest and Votex as a 2-part Season Finale, and open the new Season with Heat. But they decided to do a cliffhanger instead. So, technically, Exodus is ep 22 of Season 2.

The reason there was only 21 in the first reason is because they pushed off Redux to season two. Originally Redux was going to be part of the first season. It was shot and edited. But for some reason it was shoved off to S2. One of the worst episodes ever. If you look closely you can tell where they added stuff to fit in with S2 storylines.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm hoping they have another 23rd episode (they should have done 23 from S2 on since it worked so well that they had more time to tell the story than rush it all). There were 23 eps in Season 2 because there were only 21 eps in season 1. They were originally going to do Tempest and Votex as a 2-part Season Finale, and open the new Season with Heat. But they decided to do a cliffhanger instead. So, technically, Exodus is ep 22 of Season 2.


Originally posted by vyperman7
The reason there was only 21 in the first reason is because they pushed off Redux to season two. Originally Redux was going to be part of the first season. It was shot and edited. But for some reason it was shoved off to S2. One of the worst episodes ever. If you look closely you can tell where they added stuff to fit in with S2 storylines. Okay. I thought I had read somehwere that they decided it would be more exciting to do the cliffhanger than the 2-part finale. I can't remember where I saw that. But I do remember Redux being moved around. it definitely plays like a Season 1 episode.

[vyperman7]

Yeah it does.

You can tell by how it was shot and edited.

[xrayvision]

There were elements of Redux I liked. I liked Clark trying to make mends with his grandfather and just not being able to do it. I also like the scenes with Mr. Reynolds, the principal. I wish they had him in more episodes. The man who plays him is a good actor and was fun to watch (especially when he got on Clark's case). I also liked his interaction with Lex.

It would still be nice having 23 episodes than 22. Things usually get too rushed at the end of the season (well, since S4 anyway) and this helps tell the story at a better pace. The problem now is all the filler episodes they have. S4's worst one was Ageless (very close to the finale). S5 had Fragile.

[Watching Smallville]

I'd forgotten about Clark's grandfather being in that episode. I really liked that story, and hoped we would see him again. (I like the principal, too.)

I think the filler episodes are the reason things get so rushed. I'll never understand why they don't just dump one of the fillers and stretch the main story across more episodes. Maybe we'll see a change in Season 6. Hope springs eternal. :D

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
It is funny because I thought that Run was a shoe-in for episode 5. Yet a lot of people are going with Perry. I love Perry. I just love Run more.

Yeah I know what you mean Ryan "Perry" was one of my favorite episodes but "Run" is just that little bit better IMO. Man season 3 had some kick-ass episodes at the start of the season Exile, Perry, Relic, Shattered and Asylum damn that's impressive.

[Watching Smallville]

Maybe time for eps 7, 8, and 9?

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Maybe time for eps 7, 8, and 9?

I was going to give it until Sunday night. See if more people still want to vote. The more people that vote the better. See if you can spread the word to people you like on here through PM. Send them a link to the thread and get them to vote.

[cayayofm]

4. Red
5. Perry
6. Relic

[Miss L]

This is going to be pretty difficult later on in the "season." There are some pretty awesome episodes up against each other.

Can't wait to see how it turns out.

[vyperman7]

Second round completed. Check the first post for winners and new choices for round three.

My choices :

Ep 7 - Splinter (Hard choice against Jinx for me)
Ep 8 - Shattered (No contest. Best episode of the series)
Ep 9 - Rogue (Most underrated episode ever, although I fear it will lose to Asylum. I hope that Rogue gets at least a few votes)

[canon]

My choices are:

Episode 7- Splinter

Episode 8- Solitude (tough choice for me between Solitude & Shattered). I loved Shattered but decided to go w/Solitude because of Braniac.

Episode 9 - Rogue

[luthorian]

episode 7 Lineage (i like "the past" episodes)
episode 8 Shattered (easy choice)
episode 9 Lexmas (Lex was cute)

hard to make a difference between the episodes on this round only season that really sucked in this contest was 4. Liked asulym, solitude, splinter, rogue but I'll go with these...

[BadToad]

Episode 7: Splinter
Episode 8: Solitude
Episode 9: Rogue

[Watching Smallville]

This set was really tough, especially episode 7.

7. Lineage
8. Shattered
9. Rogue

Rogue is actually my favorite episode of the series -- even more so than Memoria or Roseatta. It just seemed to hit on every SV theme in one neat package. I'm glad to see it's getting votes.

[FreakyDroid]

-Splinter
-Shattered
-Asylum

I had to go with Shattered and Asylum because I haven't felt so much excitement in any other episodes so far. One of the main reasons why S3 is still my favorite.

[Watching Smallville]

Yeah, Ep 9 was a hard pick, too. They were all hard to choose. Seems like the show hits its stride just before the first break.

[LEXander the Great]

s5ep07 - Splinter
s3ep08 - SHATTERED (BEST EPISODE EVER)
s3ep09 - Asylum

[angelus666]

Sweet.

Episode 7 - Splinter (one of the best episodes of the season has just a little something over Jinx)

Episode 8 - Shattered (Best written and acted episode of the series)

Episode 9 - Rogue (Most underated episode of the series)

I can't belive "Run" lost oh well I have backed 5/6 winners cant get them all.

Man Episode 12 will be a contest I have no idea what will come out on top cause you have Leech, Insurgence, Hereafter, Pariah and Reckoning. I would have to say Insurgence but Leech is really good to.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Rogue is actually my favorite episode of the series -- even more so than Memoria or Roseatta. It just seemed to hit on every SV theme in one neat package. I'm glad to see it's getting votes.

Now that is what I am talking about. I am glad to know that Josh, LionelLuthor, and me are not the only ones who love this episode so much. I was also glad to see V (BadToad) and Cannon choose Rogue as well. Rogue is my third favorite episode of the series after Shattered and Arrival.


Originally posted by LionelLuthor
Ryan, we've talked about this before, but I completely agree with you on 'Rogue' being possibly the best episode, and extremely underated.

I know man.

I have been showing my Rogue pride for practically three years on this site. I am glad to know that you and others love it as well. I think that Josh (angelus) is one of the few people that has been around as long as me that loves Rogue. Actually I think he has got me beat by like a month. I started in September 03, and he was in August.


Originally posted by angelus666
I can't belive "Run" lost oh well I have backed 5/6 winners cant get them all.

I was dissapointed too dude.

But what will make up for it, is Rogue winning. I really hope that it does. If I had to choose one episode out of all the rounds that I wanted to win, it would be Rogue. I am actually suprised to see this many people voted for it already.


Originally posted by angelus666
Man Episode 12 will be a contest I have no idea what will come out on top cause you have Leech, Insurgence, Hereafter, Pariah and Reckoning. I would have to say Insurgence but Leech is really good to.

As much as I love Insurgence, I am probably gonna have to go with Leech. In my opinion, Clark was more like Superman in this episode than any other, and it has the parking lot brawl which is one of my favorite scenes. Insurgence had the awesome leap of faith and good suspense, but Leech is better in my opinion. Reckoning is my second least favorite episode ever after Ageless. I hated Reckoning. Pariah was one of my favorite S4 eps. Hereafter has the amazing cape shot, and I really liked Jordan. Definately one of my favorite S3 eps.

[aqua]

7- Splinter
8- Shattered
9- Rogue

[Miss L]

7- Splintered
8- Shattered

Really no contest for me with those two. Ep 9 was harder because Asylum and Rogue are both really good episodes. And actually, Lex's little walk through an alternate future leading to his turning point at the end of Lex-mas kind of pulled me in. But I agree about...

9- Rogue


Watching Smallville put it very succinctly:
It just seemed to hit on every SV theme in one neat package.

Where I'm going to have problems deciding are episodes 17 and 19. Glad I have time to mull (and probably watch them all) before we get there.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Episode 7

S1 - Craving
S2 - Lineage
S3 - Magnetic
S4 - Jinx
S5 - Splinter

Episode 8

S1 - Jitters
S2 - Ryan
S3 - Shattered
S4 - Spell
S5 - Solitude

Episode 9

S1 - Rogue
S2 - Dichotic
S3 - Asylum
S4 - Bound
S5 - Lexmas

My choices are:

7: Splinter
8: Shattered
9: Asylum

For episode 7, Jinx was not far behind. It had a future enemy of Superman (though not in the traditional sense) and introduced a very interesting arc that they never went into again, but will hopefully explore it in the last season of the show. But Splinter did it for me. It was the 1st time we saw what Milton Fine was all about, and it had great scenes like the black truck (which I knew was the ship/Brainiac) chasing Clark to Stereophonics' Superman, the paranoia, further exploring of the ship, the revelation to the Kents that Chloe knows the secret, great dialogue between Chloe and the Kents on the types of Kryptonite, and more.

For episode 8, Solitude is an *extremely* close 2nd. It was all action and no nonsense. A great fight scene between Clark and Milton Fine, as well as Clark finding out more about Krypton, his father, and Zod. Chloe finding the ship and helping Clark was also nice. Annette O' Toole did a great acting job, and they gave us a hint (can see it in hindsight) on whose life will be traded for Clark's by showing that shot of Jonathan Kent at the end after he talks about Clark needing to continue living life after his loved ones die. But Shattered was simply awesome in every aspect, most of all the revelation to Lex and the ending with Johnny Cash's song). It had an unbelievable aspect of suspense, and started out strong with the return of Morgan Edge, a great addition to the show. Lex being hunted down in his own mansion added greatly to the suspense. The continuity with what Lex learned of his grandparents in Relic with his psychiatrist from Perry stemmed all the way back to his island experience in Exile. Also, there was that scene that finally showed Lana how Clark was protecting her by not telling the secret to her. John Glover did a great job denying Lionel's involvement in the whole affair and showed that he is the true MB. The revelation was simply amazing---as was shown by Lex's facial reaction and his "Look at it!!!!" comment once his doctors arrive. Truly a masterpiece of an episode. It shows how tragic Lex really is as a character. Darius and the ninja sniper did great jobs as well. I wish we got to see more of Darius (I think he was in a S1 or S2 episode but had a minor role). Dr. Claire Foster was also a great addition.

I chose Asylum for episode 9 because it was the perfect followup to Shattered *in every way*. There was little to no interaction between Clark & Lana, which made it realistic after such a bad thing happened to her. Futureproof was the perfect song at the beginning of the episode that complemented the scenery and insanity at Belle Reve. In addition, we had the returns of 3 great FOTWs from the past---Ian, Van McNulty, and Eric Summers. Lex's "I know your secret" was classic. His initial reaction when Clark told him he couldn't break him out truly showed how much he valued Clark as a friend and what a shock and disappointment it was when his best friend couldn't get him out of the hellhole he was in. His breakout attempt was also great, and the horror of the situation he was in was portrayed nicely. The stunguns jolting Lex and KO'ing him to the ground was just a great scene. Lex continuing to keep Clark's secret after that showed how good of a friend Lex was at that time. Lionel's dialogue with him when he was caged to his metal bed was amazing (when he talks about Lex's escape attempt and how sad it was when a man who is sick is convinced that he is not). I always loved Lex's grunting and roaring in that scene. Clark breaking in despite what his parents told him showed that he was a true friend of Lex, and the temporary loss of his powers was also interesting. It was good to see Eric having his powers again, though they didn't last long. The fallout between Eric & Ian showed the lack of honor amongst villians. And the greatest scene was Lionel having his own son get the radical electroshock therapy to prevent him from using what he knows about his grandparents on Lionel, even though it could turn Lex into a vegetable. Lex's pleading and the throbbing of his body while getting electrified brought home the horror of the situation he was in. Clark's reaction showed how he thought of himself as failing Lex. His scene with Lex after the electroshock therapy was well done to make the viewer feel very badly about what happened to Lex and how he had no clue about it. I also liked how disturbed he was of Lionel getting away with it and how he told his parents that he had to bring Lionel down. And another amazing thing was Lionel's reaction to the security tape of Lex telling Clark he knows his secret. That was a classic MB reaction, with him relentlessly rewinding it over and over again. The ending Clana scene was also decent showing that they would never end up together.

For episode 9, my other favorites were Rogue as #2 and Dichotic/Lexmas tied for #3. Rogue was a great episode that taught Clark what it means if others learn of his secret. Phelan is still my favorite non-FOTW villian. I loved how Clark doublecrossed him by throwing the safe on his car and how he came back to frame JK for murder. Clark holding back his anger from killing Phelan was also good. And I loved the ending with the tape that showed Clark as a blur running past the camera. I don't know why we never saw this in Lex's Clark-obsession room. Lexmas did a great job. It showed us an alternate timeline and how Clark & Lana wouldn't end up together. It also showed Lex at his final crossroads with his future. Him holding back from having that guy unleash dirt on Jonathan at the beginning vs. telling him to find or make up something on Jonathan at the end was great. I also loved the line "I want it all". A very chilling line. Dichotic was cool also. I liked Ian as an FOTW. It was a classic episode where Clark warned Chloe & Lana about a guy they were both interested in and they just thought he was jealous. I liked how he stood up form himself at the end, and how Team Clete (Clark & Pete) worked. An entertaining episode.

[msw44]

Alright! I've been excited for round 3 to start--I love this forum. :)

7- Splinter. Like everyone else, Jinx was a close second. One of my favorite scenes is from Jinx, but overall, I like splinter the best. I think Tom did a great job with crazy!
8- Shattered. Again, it was between Shattered and Solitude for me. Solitude was good with the whole mother/son dynamic, but Shattered of course, wins out.
9- Bound. I think I'm the first person to vote for this episode. I love the end scene with Clark and Lex in the loft. You can see the turmoil in Lex when he says he wonders every day why he keeps going. It seems like it's a real turning point for him, forcing him down the "path to darkness." Plus, it was the first time Clark chose to trust Lionel. This was when Lionel had become "good," and even though he later decided to go back to his evil ways, it wasn't the same evil. I think that Clark working with him in Bound was the beginning of the developing relationship that we saw in season 5 with Lionel really having respect for Clark.

[canon]

Wow, seems like majority voted for Shattered written by Kenneth Biller. This guy wrote good episodes for Smallville.........wish TPTB would bring this guy back to write for them. He wrote Shattered, Talisman, Calling, Insurgeance, Lineage.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by canon
Wow, seems like majority voted for Shattered written by Kenneth Biller. This guy wrote good episodes for Smallville.........wish TPTB would bring this guy back to write for them. He wrote Shattered, Talisman, Calling, Insurgeance, Lineage.

Wow those are some damn good episodes.


Originally posted by vyperman7
But what will make up for it, is Rogue winning. I really hope that it does. If I had to choose one episode out of all the rounds that I wanted to win, it would be Rogue. I am actually suprised to see this many people voted for it already.



As much as I love Insurgence, I am probably gonna have to go with Leech. In my opinion, Clark was more like Superman in this episode than any other, and it has the parking lot brawl which is one of my favorite scenes. Insurgence had the awesome leap of faith and good suspense, but Leech is better in my opinion. Reckoning is my second least favorite episode ever after Ageless. I hated Reckoning. Pariah was one of my favorite S4 eps. Hereafter has the amazing cape shot, and I really liked Jordan. Definately one of my favorite S3 eps.

Yeah that would be sweet it's got a big lead at the moment but alot of people like Asylum and Lexmas so anything could happen but "Rogue" should pull out a win. Im not that upset that "Run" lost because "Perry" was a really good episode if it lost to "Nocturne" that would be a diffrent story. I know what you mean about "Leech" it was really good im going to have to watch both episodes again before making a decision. I agree that "Reckoning" was very disapointing but I hear alot of people say it was one of there favorite episodes. Pariah was really good and one of season 4's best I love Sarah Carter :D and Hereafter was a very solid episode and of course the amazing Cape scene made the episode for me.

[mac19]

7. Jinx
8. Shattered
9. Rogue, most underrated epsisode of all, maybe this poll will change that!!

[angelus666]

Originally posted by mac19
9. Rogue, most underrated epsisode of all, maybe this poll will change that!!

Hell yeah thats what im talking about.:)

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by mac19
7. Jinx
8. Shattered
9. Rogue, most underrated epsisode of all, maybe this poll will change that!!

This is awesome!

I never knew there were so many people that loved Rogue. You just gotta love that episode.

Most underrated episode ever! :D

************

Hey Josh,

There is an interesting sub note about Rogue that not many people realize. I thought I would bring it up because of how much you love Exile. The apartment that Clark breaks into in Rogue to retrieve the file for Phaelon, is the same apartment they used for Clark to stay in, in Exile. If you look at the outside of the building and the inside closely, it is the exact same place. I always thought that was kind of cool.

[Watching Smallville]

Wow -- nice tidbit.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by vyperman7

There is an interesting sub note about Rogue that not many people realize. I thought I would bring it up because of how much you love Exile. The apartment that Clark breaks into in Rogue to retrieve the file for Phaelon, is the same apartment they used for Clark to stay in, in Exile. If you look at the outside of the building and the inside closely, it is the exact same place. I always thought that was kind of cool.

I knew it!! One of the times I rewatched Rogue, I thought "hey isn't that the same apartment complex as in Exile?". The street where Phelan's car is parked even looks the same as the one where Clark rides off on the motorcycle with Lana.

I wonder if viewers liked Zero as much as Rogue. It also had a cameo of Phelan. I don't think Zero Consequences is the same nightclub as Atlantis though. It was a very interesting episode about how Lex's past catches up with him (as it did in Bound).

[cayayofm]

7. Splinter
8. Shattered
9. Asylum

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Hey Josh,

There is an interesting sub note about Rogue that not many people realize. I thought I would bring it up because of how much you love Exile. The apartment that Clark breaks into in Rogue to retrieve the file for Phaelon, is the same apartment they used for Clark to stay in, in Exile. If you look at the outside of the building and the inside closely, it is the exact same place. I always thought that was kind of cool.

Yeah I actually read that some where possibly IMDB or tvtome I thought it was a cool tidbit considering the quality of both episodes. Phaelon what a character the best villian of the series and thats saying something.

[vyperman7]

Phaelon is the man and definately was the best villain. I was actually upset when he died. My other favorite villain was Nixon. I love his quote "Clark is the answer that they have been waiting for". I really love Vortex as well. Not quite as much as Rogue, but almost. It is in my top ten favorites for the series.

[xrayvision]

My favorite non-superpowered villians (those who are not regulars on the show like Lionel & Lex) include:

Morgan Edge (I like him even more than Phelan)
Phelan
Jude Royce
Ryan's stepfather (this guy was a major bad-ass, very sly)
Roger Nixon
Jason Dante from Velocity
Van McNulty
Dr. Hamilton
Pine & the other badguys from Insurgence
Lucas Luthor
Paul from Precipice
Helen Bryce in season 3
Sherriff Ethan in Suspect
Perry White in Perry (he was the villian up until near the end)
Dr. Garner
Gabriel from Hidden
The psycho cop from Lockdown
The evil doctor from Cyborg
The bad guy from Mercy
Darius in Shattered
The bad cop in Obscura
Dr. Foster from Shattered (her denial of what was happening to Lex was great)
Mayor Tate in Nocturne & Relic (liked the way Lex dealt w/ him in Nocture)
Molly Griggs from Delete
Adam Knight in Crisis
Garrett from Resurrection
Those guys who were after Bart in Run
Marcus Becker from Lucy (this villian should've been in a better episode)

Eric Marsh wasn't a freak but was on Krypto-roids, so I won't count him. Dr. Walden was also normal up to a point, so I won't count him either. I'm also not counting evil Lex, since he is a part of Lex, who is a regular. I don't consider Eric Summers a freak either, but he did get Clark's powers, so I'm not listing him above.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by xrayvision
My favorite non-superpowered villians (those who are not regulars on the show like Lionel & Lex) include:

Morgan Edge (I like him even more than Phelan)

Yeah Morgan Edge was cool not quite as good as Phaelon but still a very good bad guy Rutger Hauer was slightly better than Patrick Bergin but they were both very good.


Originally posted by vyperman7
Phaelon is the man and definately was the best villain. I was actually upset when he died. My other favorite villain was Nixon. I love his quote "Clark is the answer that they have been waiting for". I really love Vortex as well. Not quite as much as Rogue, but almost. It is in my top ten favorites for the series.

LOL I was thinking that as I was posting why did he have to die and when a villian screws with Clark (my favorite character) and I want them back that proves how good of a job Cameron Dye did with the role.


Originally posted by vyperman7
I think that Josh (angelus) is one of the few people that has been around as long as me that loves Rogue. Actually I think he has got me beat by like a month. I started in September 03, and he was in August.

LOL the average poster wouldn't be able to tell by our post counts though:D . Your 9462 post to my 834.

[red-K glory]

Here is my list

7. Splinter (Siver K was very interesting to see)
8. Shattered (Easily one of the best episodes of the entire series!)
9. Rogue (This is also another one of the best episodes of the entire series!)

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Phaelon is the man and definately was the best villain. I was actually upset when he died. My other favorite villain was Nixon. I love his quote "Clark is the answer that they have been waiting for". I really love Vortex as well. Not quite as much as Rogue, but almost. It is in my top ten favorites for the series. I was actually hoping for more villians like Phelan and Nixon throughout the series (also my two favorites). Phelan would have been a great long-term villian. I was also upset when he died. I was sure he was going to be the nemisis for a while.

I guess it's tough to have a long-term villian on the show when they're trying to develop Lex into a criminal mastermind. And when they had evil Lionel. But I would have liked to see both those guys come back from time to time. Edge, too.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I guess it's tough to have a long-term villian on the show when they're trying to develop Lex into a criminal mastermind. And when they had evil Lionel. But I would have liked to see both those guys come back from time to time. Edge, too.

No long-term villains has always been a major gripe I had with the show. Maybe it is because I am a huge Buffy fan, but you watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer amd you get used to the amazing continuity and season long arcs. Not to mention the villains, which managed to be just as likeable as Buffy and the Scooby Gang at times.

What I would like for S6 is for Lex to remember everything from what happened in Vessel, but pretend to remember nothing to get closer to Clark. Then for the whole season he works in secret with Brainiac to prepare for the second coming of Zod to take over Clark. It would also be great to bring back Level 33.1 and use it as a breading ground for FOTW's for the eventual battle when Zod does come. It would really help to sell Lex's darkside.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by angelus666
Yeah Morgan Edge was cool not quite as good as Phaelon but still a very good bad guy Rutger Hauer was slightly better than Patrick Bergin but they were both very good.

I like Edge better than Phelan. He knew Clark's weakness and loved how he called him Kal. Those 2 always had magic in their short-lived scenes together, especially when Clark was Kal.

I wish Phelan would have lasted longer. A corrupt cop would have been very interesting throughout the series. I think Clark and/or Chloe exposing him in an article would be a good way to finally beat him, but he knew Clark's secret, so that would have been hard.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
No long-term villains has always been a major gripe I had with the show. Maybe it is because I am a huge Buffy fan, but you watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer amd you get used to the amazing continuity and season long arcs. Not to mention the villains, which managed to be just as likeable as Buffy and the Scooby Gang at times.

Yeah that has been a gripe for me to I would love to see someone challange Clark over and entire season rather then a dispossible one episode villian where so acustomed to. Buffy was brilliant in terms of building up a villian that beats down Buffy and finally Buffy comes back and finds a way to win. Glory would have to be the best big bad in Buffy IMO she kicked Buffy's ass so many times before finally Buffy found a way to stop her.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by angelus666
Yeah that has been a gripe for me to I would love to see someone challange Clark over and entire season rather then a dispossible one episode villian where so acustomed to. Buffy was brilliant in terms of building up a villian that beats down Buffy and finally Buffy comes back and finds a way to win. Glory would have to be the best big bad in Buffy IMO she kicked Buffy's ass so many times before finally Buffy found a way to stop her.

I don't want this thread to get off topic, but yeah Glory was definately my favorite Buffy villain :D

I am wondering if anyone will watch the finished season when we get through all the votes. I am thinking that I might do that. I haven't actually watched the show, with the acception of new episodes on TV for awhile. It might be kind of cool to go back and re-live the episodes again.

[SManBeyond]

7) Splinter
8) Shattered
9) Rogue

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by SManBeyond
7) Splinter
8) Shattered
9) Rogue

Awesome choices!

Great minds think alike :D

It is so cool that so many people seem to like Rogue.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by angelus666
Yeah that has been a gripe for me to I would love to see someone challange Clark over and entire season rather then a dispossible one episode villian where so acustomed to.

I got 1 name for you: Kal-El

He would be best used as a season-long challenge and as Clark's training to discover more about himself/his powers after the 2 of them dispose of Brainiac & Zod. He would also provide the necessary diversion so Lex can follow him (without ever seeing his face) and abandon his investigation of Clark so they can fix the problem they currently have of Lex knowing Clark is Superman in the future. Lex would consider Kal-El to be a remaining alien presence like Fine warned him of in Hypnotic, after Fine and Zod were taken care of. All the pieces would fall in place.

[Summers]

7)Splinter-This is probably the only episode I did not have one grip about in S5 :lol:. I thought Tom Welling did fab job at being crazy. I love when any show has the main lead go nuts(i.e. BtVS and S:TNG). Plus not to mention Brainaic just awesome in this episode. I loved the loft scene between Fine and Clark, and how we have two types of philsophies going on. One of the stereotypical Kryptonian and one of a Kryptonian raised as a human. Not to mention this episode had a heck of a lot of foreshadowing from Lexana to the Kents eventually getting help from Lionel in the election process. Not to mention Clark finally hit someone instead of doing FoTW Frisbee tossing :lol: :D.

8)Shattered-This one was hard because I did enjoy Solitude and Ryan, however; I have less gripes with Shattered though. It's just too bad that Lex's mind was erased. It is as if nothing ever happened :(. Plus good nod to good pal Stompy :lol:.

9)Rogue-This is very good episode, and had great themes I enjoyed. My only grip is it is as if TPTB have "Rogue" almost every season(i.e. "Obsession" or "Parish"). Just an episode where someone finds out about Clark's secret, and there is a type of exploiting or what not. Kinda like what SV does with so many Ryan-wannabes. I did enjoy this episode a lot. Just wish they didn't use the concept too much :\.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
9)Rogue-This is very good episode, and had great themes I enjoyed. My only grip is it is as if TPTB have "Rogue" almost every season(i.e. "Obsession" or "Parish"). Just an episode where someone finds out about Clark's secret, and there is a type of exploiting or what not. Kinda like what SV does with so many Ryan-wannabes. I did enjoy this episode a lot. Just wish they didn't use the concept too much :\.

Ryan wannabes... Ha Ha Ha!!!!

I agree with you there Mel. I for one am getting sick of seeing Clark take a young FOTW under his wing. I hope that we see no more of those types of episodes. It sucks because it seems like those are the only types of episodes where you get to see the Superman like side of Clark actually come out. Other than that, he is either hung up on Lana, or hating himself. I also agree that someone finding out Clark's secret does lose its suspense after awhile. They have shown by now that a person that finds out either loses their memory or is killed off. Or in the case of Chloe and Pete their characters change, and often not for the better. Pete became Mr. Product Placement, and Chloe's ability to solve every problem has become unrealistic. In Thirst, I thought she was going to be working her way up from the bottom. Yet, a low level person in the DP like her seems to have all this access.. :(

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Ryan wannabes... Ha Ha Ha!!!!

I agree with you there Mel. I for one am getting sick of seeing Clark take a young FOTW under his wing. I hope that we see no more of those types of episodes. It sucks because it seems like those are the only types of episodes where you get to see the Superman like side of Clark actually come out. Other than that, he is either hung up on Lana, or hating himself. I also agree that someone finding out Clark's secret does lose its suspense after awhile. They have shown by now that a person that finds out either loses their memory or is killed off. Or in the case of Chloe and Pete their characters change, and often not for the better. Pete became Mr. Product Placement, and Chloe's ability to solve every problem has become unrealistic. In Thirst, I thought she was going to be working her way up from the bottom. Yet, a low level person in the DP like her seems to have all this access.. :(

That's what my teenage sister calls them :lol:..."they be Ryan-wannabes" :lol:.

Those type of episodes worked perfectly in the show in the first two seasons, but now it as if to me at least Clark taking a FoTW/metahuman under his wing is almost OOC for his character now. He hates himself, powers, and what not in one episode but then go to a Ryan-wannabe/metahuman he is almost a complete opposite. That's how I felt watching "Aqua" or "Cyborg". Clark just seemed off to me in those episodes. Yea, exactly. It's a great concept that worked perfectly in "Rogue", but the way they set it up later in the series. They have a mind-wipe, killed, or well become stagnate in development. Hmm...never thought about it before two of the three possibilities Lana technically received a mind-wipe and killed in "Reckoning" :lol:.

[vyperman7]

Reckoning is my second least favorite episode ever after Ageless. It still bugs me that Clark didn't tell Lana the truth the second time around and use his knowledge of the accident to keep her safe. I mean, he ended up doing that anyways when he stopped the bus from hitting Lana's SUV. It would have at least made JK's death somewhat meaningful for Lana to walk away knowing the truth. But since nothing else changed, it made JK's death seem meaningless to me.

If the episode had been two hours instead of one, it really would have helped things in my opinion.

The reveal could have had shared experiences like Lana relating the tornado incident in Vortex to flying/jumping in the FOS. Then Clark could have copped to being from the planet that resulted in her parent's death. I just wanted to see some type of emotion from Lana, and all we got was nothing. We also could have seen more from Lex on Clark's secret other than him standing there looking stupid, and more fallout over Lana's initial death. Not to mention the lost Clark/Johnathan FOS scene.

[Last Sun]

7 = Splinter

8 = Solitude

9 = Rogue

[Summers]

Well, I'm one of those people who thought Clark should've told her the truth before they had sex in "Mortal" lol. "Reckoning" was rushed, but I also think how everything was set-up in the episode was horrible. From the reasoning behind the marriage proposal to Final Destination happenings in the second half. If it was a two-parter, then the scenes and presentation would at least be better on some scenes.

I did too. Instead it felt well kinda unrealistic in the show's universe.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
Well, I'm one of those people who thought Clark should've told her the truth before they had sex in "Mortal" lol. "Reckoning" was rushed, but I also think how everything was set-up in the episode was horrible. From the reasoning behind the marriage proposal to Final Destination happenings in the second half. If it was a two-parter, then the scenes and presentation would at least be better on some scenes.

I did too. Instead it felt well kinda unrealistic in the show's universe.

Yeah it would have been the decent thing to do on Clark's part. However, he probably figured that he was going to be human from that point on, so there was no point in telling her. Kind of like a no harm, no foul mentality.


Originally posted by xrayvision
I got 1 name for you: Kal-El

He would be best used as a season-long challenge and as Clark's training to discover more about himself/his powers after the 2 of them dispose of Brainiac & Zod. He would also provide the necessary diversion so Lex can follow him (without ever seeing his face) and abandon his investigation of Clark so they can fix the problem they currently have of Lex knowing Clark is Superman in the future. Lex would consider Kal-El to be a remaining alien presence like Fine warned him of in Hypnotic, after Fine and Zod were taken care of. All the pieces would fall in place.

Good idea.

The writers would never do it though.

I personally would like to see the following :

- After Lex and Zod are detached, Lex remembers everything but pretends not to, to get closer to Clark. In the process he works secretly in league with Brainiac to prepare for the second coming of Zod at the end of the season. To prepare for the final battle Lex re-opens level 33.1 to bread FOTW's and brings in Lucas to help him run it.

- Lionel continues to help Clark and becomes a double agent so to speak. He leaks information to Clark about Lex and his operation and also tries to secretly regain his company.

- Then mid season, you have Lex kill Lionel after learning about everything and then frame Lucas for the murder becoming the sole Luthor left on the show. Then the company name is changed to Lexcorp.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Yeah it would have been the decent thing to do on Clark's part. However, he probably figured that he was going to be human from that point on, so there was no point in telling her. Kind of like a no harm, no foul mentality.


Being he is BDA I wouldn't be surprised by that :lol:, however; still doesn't erase that his Kryptonian life have greatly affected Lana's life since she was a little girl to Isobel. Just rubbed me the wrong way :(.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Summers
Being he is BDA I wouldn't be surprised by that :lol:, however; still doesn't erase that his Kryptonian life have greatly affected Lana's life since she was a little girl to Isobel. Just rubbed me the wrong way :(. Me too. Especially after Hidden when he cooled things off without any explanation. That was bad. :mad:

Looking forward to eps 10 11 and 12. Really curious about 12.

Glad Rogue is getting the nod for this round. Love that episode. :cool:

[angelus666]

I really hope "Skinwalker" takes episode 10 it was one of my favorites episodes of the series a great mytho episode, The Introduction of the caves, Clark gets a really hot girlfriend in Kyla and Lionel even while blind realises Lex knows something valuable is in the caves which proves why he is one of the best villians of the entire series.

[Anomalyster]

507 - Splinter
308 - Shattered (tough voting against 508 - Solitude)
509 - Lexmas

[Summers]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Me too. Especially after Hidden when he cooled things off without any explanation. That was bad. :mad:


I find it funny that they made Lana's character in that episode kinda stupid. I mean Clark came back all BBQ after she saw him die, then she goes to Lex saying "Clark is a human" :eek: :lol:. Alright then :rotfl:.

[CallMeClark]

Episode 7

S5 - Splinter

Episode 8

S5 - Solitude

Episode 9

S5 - Lexmas

[Spirit Detective]

Episode 7

S5 - Splinter

Episode 8

S5 - Solitude

Episode 9

S3 - Asylum

[angelus666]

If Solitude wins I will have a heart attack.

[LEXander the Great]

Originally posted by angelus666
If Solitude wins I will have a heart attack.



If the best episode of the series can't win, I think I stop playin this game

Shattered:
- without a doubt... the best ever performance of MR
- one of the best performances of JG
- nice performance by TW
- one of the best special effects (Clark stops Edge's car)
- and one of the best closing scenes ever written in this series

[msw44]

Originally posted by LEXander the Great
If the best episode of the series can't win, I think I stop playin this game

Shattered:
- without a doubt... the best ever performance of MR
- one of the best performances of JG
- nice performance by TW
- one of the best special effects (Clark stops Edge's car)
- and one of the best closing scenes ever written in this series

I agree!! Except I plan to keep playing this game--it's fun. I liked solitude, but COME ON! Shattered was pretty awesome, and MR definitely had an amazing performance.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by LEXander the Great
If the best episode of the series can't win, I think I stop playin this game

Shattered:
- without a doubt... the best ever performance of MR
- one of the best performances of JG
- nice performance by TW
- one of the best special effects (Clark stops Edge's car)
- and one of the best closing scenes ever written in this series

Also great continuity with references to Julian and bringing back Morgan Edge as a threat to both Lex and Clark and dont forget Johnny Cash's "Hurt" at the end of the episode.

[Miss L]

Is it time for 10, 11 and 12 yet?

[msw44]

Originally posted by Miss L
Is it time for 10, 11 and 12 yet?

I know! I"m excited for Round 4...and to see the results of round 3.

[vyperman7]

Round three has concluded. All I can say is HELL YEAH for Rogue winning!! Finally that episode gets some recognition.

Check first page for winners. New round for episodes 10-12 has begun.

My choices :

Ep 10 - Skinwalker
Ep 11 - Hug
Ep 12 - Leech (Hardest episode choice so far) - I love Insurgence and Hereafter as well as Leech. But Leech is superior. This episode had Clark acting like Superman more than any other. Plus "I'd stop people like you" is probably my favorite line from the series. Insurgence is a close, close, second.

[FreakyDroid]

E-10: Skinwalker
E-11: Unsafe
E-12: Leech. Tough choice between Leech, Insurgence, Hereafter and Pariah, but Leech wins it for me.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Round 4 6/4 - 6/9

Episode 10

S1 - Shimmer
S2 - Skinwalker
S3 - Whisper
S4 - Scare
S5 - Fanatic

Episode 11

S1 - Hug
S2 - Visage
S3 - Delete
S4 - Unsafe
S5 - Lockdown

Episode 12

S1 - Leech
S2 - Insurgence
S3 - Hereafter
S4 - Pariah
S5 - Reckoning

Episode 10: Scare (Skinwalker was very close behind with the introduction of the caves and same thing with Whisper; Shimmer was also good with Clark stopping his pursuit of Lana after finding out about Whitney's father & we were told that Nell & Jonathan used to go out and broke up badly just like Clark and Lana eventually did)

Episode 11: Hug (I had trouble with this one because I also love Visage so much as it featured the return of a great freak from the past; Delete & Lockdown were also good episodes with lots of action)

Episode 12: Insurgence (I'd give 2nd place to Leech & 3rd to Hereafter; Pariah was also good). Insurgence was a great episode for me. It was the one that got me totally hooked to the show. The leap of faith was amazing. Lionel & Martha working together with JK against it was awesome. The kryptonite bars in the safe was also nice. Just a great action-packed episode with a great ending (Lex looking at the Kents being jealous). I also liked the beginning with Lex looking for bugs that were planted in his mansion.

[LEXander the Great]

2#10 Skinwalker (the beautiful Tamara Feldman as Kyla, and the first appearance of the caves)
5#11 Lockdown
5#12 Reckoning (it was hard, 'cause Insurgence was a fantastic episode too. But the Reckoning win the race with the Lana's "death" scene)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Ep 12 - Leech (Hardest episode choice so far) - I love Insurgence and Hereafter as well as Leech. But Leech is superior. This episode had Clark acting like Superman more than any other. Plus "I'd stop people like you" is probably my favorite line from the series. Insurgence is a close, close, second.

Episode 8 was also kind of tough, not choosing-wise, but because I loved Solitude and Jitters so much as well. But Shattered was the best. Jitters had a great character in Earl Jenkins (a guy you could really feel sorry for). It had plenty of action and suspense. I also LOVED the way Level 3 was done in that episode. I didn't like the way they did it as much in Mortal and how Clark acted like he never heard of it. It was done so well that the story they later made with the cloning (Emily Dinsmore) sync'd perfectly. In Jitters it was about speeding up the growth of crops as Earl Jenkins said. The same thing was used to explain Emily Dinsmore's rapid aging, and they even said the Level 3 experiments were dispersed in Accelerate.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Episode 10: Scare (Skinwalker was very close behind with the introduction of the caves and same thing with Whisper; Shimmer was also good with Clark stopping his pursuit of Lana after finding out about Whitney's father & we were told that Nell & Jonathan used to go out and broke up badly just like Clark and Lana eventually did)

Episode 11: Hug (I had trouble with this one because I also love Visage so much as it featured the return of a great freak from the past; Delete & Lockdown were also good episodes with lots of action)

Episode 12: Insurgence (I'd give 2nd place to Leech & 3rd to Hereafter; Pariah was also good). Insurgence was a great episode for me. It was the one that got me totally hooked to the show. The leap of faith was amazing. Lionel & Martha working together with JK against it was awesome. The kryptonite bars in the safe was also nice. Just a great action-packed episode with a great ending (Lex looking at the Kents being jealous). I also liked the beginning with Lex looking for bugs that were planted in his mansion.

For me, Scare was a flat episode. I thought the pacing and storytelling of it were off. Not to mention the fact that they just re-used T3 footage and mixed it with Hourglass footage. While I am glad that decided against the Lexana wedding and Lana breaking Lex's heart, I would have prefered a new take on the appocolypse. Take the show The Dead Zone for example. I don't know if you watch that show. But it is about a man who was put into a coma for six years, and wakes up with the power to receive visions of the future when he touches someone or something. The main story arc is that Greg Stillson who is currently a senator, will one day become president and be responsible for an end of the world style appocolypse. The reason I bring this up in relation to Scare is because in The Dead Zone they keep showing different things related to the appocolypse with different scenes of destruction, etc.. I thought they could have done a better job showing us more of Lex's future, of events that lead up to it.

Visage was decent, but not one of my favorites. I love Hug because Kyle Tippet is one of my favorite FOTW's and it had an awesome Chlark moment with the kiss.

I wanted to choose Insurgence really badly. The leap of faith is my second favorite effects scene after the bus in Rogue. I just like Leech slightly more because Leech shows Clark at his most Superman like, then any other episode in the show in my opinion.


Originally posted by LEXander the Great
2#10 Skinwalker (the beautiful Tamara Feldman as Kyla, and the first appearance of the caves)
5#11 Lockdown
5#12 Reckoning (it was hard, 'cause Insurgence was a fantastic episode too. But the Reckoning win the race with the Lana's "death" scene)

Sorry man, but Reckoning is the episode I hate with a passion. My second least favorite episode ever after Ageless. It was the one episode for episode 12 then didn't give me a hard time with the voting. I loved every other episode 12. I just hate Reckoning.

If it had been a two hour episode, it might of fared better. Think about it. Clark and Lana's discussion at the beginning with the reveal could have been so much better. There was no sharing of past experiences. I wanted her to bring up the tornadoes in Vortex so bad. Not only because that is one of my all time favorite episodes, but also because it was the first event that really started making Lana question Clark. Also, both times had them defying gravity. There also could have been more emotion on Lana's part like being upset for being lied to, and for Clark being from the planet that was responsible for her parent's death. It was a total rush job. Even people who hate Clana like me, wanted Lana to find out the truth. I just thought they handled it poorly. There also could have been more fallout over Lana's initial death and more from Lex than just a gasp after finding out about Clark.

But what bugged me most of all was the fact that Clark did not tell Lana the truth the second time around. Lana being in danger from knowing the truth was always a factor, yet he told her the first time. Why not use his knowledge of the accident to keep her safe but still tell her the truth? I mean, in the end he ended up doing that to keep Lana alive anyways. So her knowing the truth, at least would have given JK's death somewhat of a purpose. But since nothing changed in the end, it came off kind of meaningless.

[Watching Smallville]

This one is really tough. I think I have to go with the following:

10. Skinwalker
11. Hug
12. Leech

But the runners up are close, especially Visage and Insurgence. I just watched Delete last night and really enjoyed itl.

[canon]

My choices are:


Episode 10: Skinwalker
Episode 11: Lockdown
Episode 12: Reckoning

[Summers]

10)Scare-Out of all the other episodes in EP10 I have to say I enjoyed this one the most since we saw most of the characters fear. I thought the cinematography was top notch. I still have gripes about some things about it(i.e. I thought Clark's fear should be about him conquering the world, and I would loved to see the Kent's fears).

11)Hug-This was a great set-up to the Clex by using the FoTWs of that episode as a parallel to Clex. It had great dialogue of "our friendship" line. Too bad the series didn't live up to what this episode presented of what Clex should've been.

12)Leech-I enjoyed "Hereafter" and "Insurgence" a lot because they were very well developed, writtened episodes. However, "Leech" is probably the closest we ever had Clark with the Superman persona. Really, sad to see the regression Clark over the years :\.

[Lexgirl33]

Episode 10

S4 - Scare- My favorite part of the whole series would have to be Lex's fear.


Episode 11

S1 - Hug- Just thought it was a good episode, plus the competition wasn't that great. Though Delete was a decent episode.


Episode 12

S3 - Hereafter

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Lexgirl33
Episode 12

S1 - Leech
S2 - Insurgence
S3 - Hereafter

Wow I think they are all tied :lol: I can't choose, I love all three episodes..

You gotta choose one Rose.. :D

[BadToad]

Episode 10 : Scare
Episode 11: Unsafe
Episode 12: Leech

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
10)Scare-Out of all the other episodes in EP10 I have to say I enjoyed this one the most since we saw most of the characters fear. I thought the cinematography was top notch. I still have gripes about some things about it(i.e. I thought Clark's fear should be about him conquering the world, and I would loved to see the Kent's fears).

11)Hug-This was a great set-up to the Clex by using the FoTWs of that episode as a parallel to Clex. It had great dialogue of "our friendship" line. Too bad the series didn't live up to what this episode presented of what Clex should've been.

12)Leech-I enjoyed "Hereafter" and "Insurgence" a lot because they were very well developed, writtened episodes. However, "Leech" is probably the closest we ever had Clark with the Superman persona. Really, sad to see the regression Clark over the years :\.

Great choices Mel (with the acception of Scare.. :D)

I completely forgot about the Clex aspect of Hug. Another reason why I really love that episode. The friendship of legend line is a top five favorite for me in terms of favorite lines from the show.

I just couldn't get into Scare. For me the storytelling and pacing were off. I was also bummed they mixed T3 footage with Hourglass footage. I much rather would have seen an updated version with more of Lex in the whitehouse or other events that would lead up to him being president. I agree about Clark's nightmare. Of course they had to make it Clana centric. It would have been great if it was like you described, and I was bummed as well not getting to see the nightmares from the Kents.


Originally posted by BadToad
Episode 10 : Scare
Episode 11: Unsafe
Episode 12: Leech

Cool choice with Leech V.

But I am suprised you went with Unsafe. It is funny because I love Pariah. But I personally hated Unsafe. I thought it was weak how Alicia automatically just knew about Red K and they gave no plausible explanation as to how she could have known. I also didn't like the fact that Clark just took Alicia back into his good graces after what happened. The last time he saw her, Alicia was trying to kill him and Lana. So why does seeing her out of the blue suddenly make her into the girl Clark loves?

[Lexgirl33]

Originally posted by vyperman7
You gotta choose one Rose.. :D

ahh okay, :lol: Im going with Hearafter...im drawing a blank on the FotW's name but he was my favorite following Cassandra. I guess im a sucker for forshadowing.

[Miss L]

This was hard.

10 -- Whisper
11 -- Hug
12 -- tie? no? ok. Leech


10 -- I am just not as big a fan of Skinwalker as some of you are. The introduction of the caves was great, but I wasn't taken with Kyla and I didn't feel the chemistry with Clark. I also liked Scare, it was an interesting premise and I always love the chance to get inside the characters' heads, but Whisper was a better episode, and an interesting way to introduce his super-hearing.

11 -- I have always wished that they would have kept Alicia around as a regular for a while. She was my favorite freak, and Sarah Carter was awesome. I really liked Unsafe: Clark on Red K, but ultimately making the right choices, and still giving Alicia the benefit of the doubt after all was said and done. But Hug wins it for me. Kyle is my 2nd favorite freak because he's seen power gone awry and walks away. For once a genuine good guy makes an appearance and leaves an impression.

12--Even harder choice. Hereafter, Insurgence and Leech. (Pariah was also one that stuck with me, but losing Alicia sucked and then Clark forgetting about it in the next episode left a bad taste). Anyhoo. Hereafter was awesome because of the cape scene. Plus it was a good story. Insurgence was an extremely close 3rd for me. I remember thinking it was going to be a throw-away episode when it started and then it was anything but. Martha discovering Lionel was keeping tabs on Clark, the leap, and the stark contrast of the Luthors and the Kents at the end. Wow. But Leech was a superior episode. So there you go.

[msw44]

Wow vyperman7, you really do hate Reckoning! I know what you mean about it seeming rushed, but I love the whole funeral scene and the shots of the farm right before it. I think the reason that Clark didn't tell Lana his secret the second time around is because he thought as long as they were together and she knew his secret, there would always be someone out to get her. Why it's different with Chloe who's been his best friend for years, I have no idea.

This was definitely the toughest round for me so far.

10: I'm going to go with Whisper. I love the episodes where Clark gets a new power. It was a tough choice though because I love the scene of Lex's fear in Scare. I know they re-used footage, but they also added new stuff, and the music is awesome. One of my favorite scenes!

11: Visage. I've always liked this episode. Tina's one of my fave FOTW's.

12: So hard to decide! They're all good in my opinion (Reckoning included!) However, I vote for Leech. It's a classic.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Great choices Mel (with the acception of Scare.. :D)

I completely forgot about the Clex aspect of Hug. Another reason why I really love that episode. The friendship of legend line is a top five favorite for me in terms of favorite lines from the show.

I just couldn't get into Scare. For me the storytelling and pacing were off. I was also bummed they mixed T3 footage with Hourglass footage. I much rather would have seen an updated version with more of Lex in the whitehouse or other events that would lead up to him being president. I agree about Clark's nightmare. Of course they had to make it Clana centric. It would have been great if it was like you described, and I was bummed as well not getting to see the nightmares from the Kents.

But I am suprised you went with Unsafe. It is funny because I love Pariah. But I personally hated Unsafe. I thought it was weak how Alicia automatically just knew about Red K and they gave no plausible explanation as to how she could have known. I also didn't like the fact that Clark just took Alicia back into his good graces after what happened. The last time he saw her, Alicia was trying to kill him and Lana. So why does seeing her out of the blue suddenly make her into the girl Clark loves?

You forgot :eek:. You? :lol:. No seriously :lol:.

It was either that or "Lockdown". There is certain things I liked in "Lockdown", but the ships just drove me nuts in that episode :lol:. Thus leading to Wreckoning :\.

Have to say I hate "Unsafe" as well. I always thought they were going on the right track with Alicia, or at least trying too but what they conveyed in that episode I didn't like. I didn't like how redk was used, and it was very rush and contrived. One of the things I always said when discussing Alicia or her death is that there was many of us that weren't affected by her death. Since well many viwers(like me) don't trust her, and haven't forgiven what she done in "Obsession" and "Unsafe". I always thought after "Devoted" they should have turned her into a semi-regular, and allow for the viewers to get to know her better. To have Clark gradually forgive, and have Alicia come under the good graces not only with the other characters but the viewers. To make us enjoy her character more. Basically to take out "Unsafe" all together, and have Clicia ship done far better with more dates and no redk. Then when "Parish" comes in the picture we question even her, are sadden for her death, and understand why Clark loves her. I just feel what they did to Alicia's character and after-death had so much potential, but I didn't like how they ended up executing it.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
You forgot :eek:. You? :lol:. No seriously :lol:.

It was either that or "Lockdown". There is certain things I liked in "Lockdown", but the ships just drove me nuts in that episode :lol:. Thus leading to Wreckoning :\.

Have to say I hate "Unsafe" as well. I always thought they were going on the right track with Alicia, or at least trying too but what they conveyed in that episode I didn't like. I didn't like how redk was used, and it was very rush and contrived. One of the things I always said when discussing Alicia or her death is that there was many of us that weren't affected by her death. Since well many viwers(like me) don't trust her, and haven't forgiven what she done in "Obsession" and "Unsafe". I always thought after "Devoted" they should have turned her into a semi-regular, and allow for the viewers to get to know her better. To have Clark gradually forgive, and have Alicia come under the good graces not only with the other characters but the viewers. To make us enjoy her character more. Basically to take out "Unsafe" all together, and have Clicia ship done far better with more dates and no redk. Then when "Parish" comes in the picture we question even her, are sadden for her death, and understand why Clark loves her. I just feel what they did to Alicia's character and after-death had so much potential, but I didn't like how they ended up executing it.

I know. I am ashamed at myself for forgetting about the Clex stuff in Hug. There are two shows I have an absolute photographic memory for - Quantum Leap and Smallville. I am trying to get there with Buffy.

Yeah but in regards to Unsafe, I just hated Alicia's line " I just know" when it comes to Red K... LOL

[Summers]

If I can remember things with Buffy, then you can :D.

Maybe Alicia had ESPN :lol:. That redk line was so WTH moment.

(reference to Mean Girls)

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Great choices Mel (with the acception of Scare.. :D)

LOL good call I agree that Scare was flat but I really liked Clark's dream and Lex's was even better. The score during Lex's dream was one of if not my favorite score of the entire series.

Episode 10 - Skinwalker (Easy choice I love Skinwalker and Whisper sucked IMO)

Episode 11 - Hug (A very good episode I actually just watched it a couple days ago and realised how underated it is.)

Episode 12 - Leech (I had to jump on the bandwagon Insurgence was so close but Leech will just edge it out thanks to the quote "I'd stop people like you" and that Clark was very Superman like :D . But it gets negative points for the poor Shawn Ashmore (Eric Sommers) stunt double scene where he and TW get struck by lightning :( .

[emsfan]

I like the most...

episode 1. arrival
episode 2. mortal
episode 3. heddin

[angelus666]

Originally posted by emsfan
I like the most...

episode 1. arrival
episode 2. mortal
episode 3. heddin

Dude round 1 is over where on Round 4 episode 10, 11, 12.

[LEXander the Great]

Originally posted by vyperman7

Sorry man, but Reckoning ....

you have absolutely right, the two hour lenght would be better. But forget the too quick storylines, and just see the visual part. This episode had the best visual world in the history of Smallville. The colors, the pictures... The visuality was beautiful.
And the music, the sounds. Was so touching.

Just see my favourite scene: the Lana's "death" scene. The colors was perfect, the music was thrilling and then tragicly exalted. And of course... the carcrash was spectacular.

Or the closing scene with the so touching song by Peter Gabriel.

And the actors were fantastic.
Incredible performance by Rosenbaum, Schneider, and O'Toole.


Reckoning is not my favourite episode (cause the story was a slap-dash work), but I think it's one of the better episodes (cause the actors were fantastic, and it was visually perfect).

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Summers
Maybe Alicia had ESPN :lol:. That redk line was so WTH moment. I always imagined Alicia teleporting to the Kent stairway during dinner and eavesdropping on the conversations. Can't you just hear the "remember when" dinner chat about Clark running amok on Red-K? :lol:

[vyperman7]

I just can't get over how terrible Unsafe really was though. It was seriously one of my least favorite episodes ever. If I had to think of episodes I really disliked it would be :

Ageless
Reckoning
Resurrection
Magnetic
Unsafe

These are probably my least five favorite episodes ever. Honorable mentions would probably be Redux, Reaper, and Craving.


Originally posted by LEXander the Great
you have absolutely right, the two hour lenght would be better. But forget the too quick storylines, and just see the visual part. This episode had the best visual world in the history of Smallville. The colors, the pictures... The visuality was beautiful.
And the music, the sounds. Was so touching.

Just see my favourite scene: the Lana's "death" scene. The colors was perfect, the music was thrilling and then tragicly exalted. And of course... the carcrash was spectacular.

Or the closing scene with the so touching song by Peter Gabriel.

And the actors were fantastic.
Incredible performance by Rosenbaum, Schneider, and O'Toole.


Reckoning is not my favourite episode (cause the story was a slap-dash work), but I think it's one of the better episodes (cause the actors were fantastic, and it was visually perfect).


To me, visuals are secondary. In my opinion, what makes an episode special is how well written it is, and how well edited/paced it is. It is true that nice visuals can definately add to an episode, but it all comes back to the writing and how well it is portrayed on screen. The writing is what brings an episode together and tells the story of the episode.

I guess I am just tired of the Smallville writers always playing it safe and just going in the same patterns over and over. Unfortunately Smallville has become rather predictable. The fans have learned by now that anytime someone is teased to learn the secret, they either die, or lose their memory. Conflicts in the finales are wrapped up in the premiere. Seasons don't have story arcs that carry over the whole season. There are no season long villains.

I love Smallville, but just not as much as I used to. Back in S1-S3 I loved Smallville more than anything else on television. But with season four it started going downhill and just lost its edge. Season five was an improvement, but still didn't wow me. I am hoping the CW can hire new writers that will turn the show around.

[cayayofm]

10. Scare
11. Lockdown
12. Insurgence

[thedarknight]

Scare
Lockdown
Reckoning

[red-K glory]

Here is my list

10. Whisper( This was hard because Skinwalker was also very good)

11. Delete (This was also a hard choice because I like Visage a lot)

12. Insurgence (This was also a hard choice because Leech and Hereafter were also great episodes!)

:) :D

[luthorian]

Well this was too easy

10. Whisper (the Chlionel moment alone makes this my favorite episode ;) "are you threatening me?" BRILLIANT!)

11. Delete

12. Insurgence (Mionel :p YaY)

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I just can't get over how terrible Unsafe really was though. It was seriously one of my least favorite episodes ever. If I had to think of episodes I really disliked it would be :

Ageless
Reckoning
Resurrection
Magnetic
Unsafe


Im surprised that "Unsafe" made that list although it had major things I disliked such as the way Martha blamed Clark of marrying Alicia in Vegas when she knew what RedK did to him and the pacing of the episode felt way of and what's up with Clark turning down those hot girls at the start. But other then that I found it to be somewhat enjoyable and not as bad as say "Craving". LOL at "Ageless" I don't think anyone liked that episode.

[LEXander the Great]

Originally posted by vyperman7


I love Smallville, but just not as much as I used to. Back in S1-S3 I loved Smallville more than anything else on television. But with season four it started going downhill and just lost its edge. Season five was an improvement, but still didn't wow me. I am hoping the CW can hire new writers that will turn the show around.


I hate the first season. It was so primitive, boring and childish.
But the second season was really good!!! With Chris Reeve and the fantastic character of Helen Bryce, the black widow ;)
The third season was FANTASTIC, PERFECT. With legendary episodes like Exile, Phoenix, Perry, Shattered, Asylum, Legacy, Memoria, and the fantastic Covenant.
The fourth season was disappointing. With just three good things: Lois Lane, the fly, and the spectacular Commencement.
And the fifth season was really good again.

[Anomalyster]

310 - Whisper
211 - Visage
512 - Reckoning

[LionelLuthor]

Episode 10: 'Skinwalker'- The beginning of a new chapter in Smallville, the caves saga. I loved Clark's reaction as Kyla explained the paintings depicting the Numan legend.
"..And he'll be able to start fires with his eyes. It probably sounds crazy" "Not to me...."

Episode 11: 'Visage'- There were 3 returns in this episode, Eric Johnson (I would say Whitney, but it wasn't him), Tina Greer, and the Kryptonite necklace. My favourite thing is that the marine who arrived to break the news of Whitney's death to his mother, Lt.Mcnulty, was used in a storyline for season 3's 'Extinction'.

Episode 12: 'Leech'- This was really tough because I rate 'Insurgence' as one of the best episodes in the show's history. This was the first time that we saw Clark powerless, and at this point (season 1) it was fresh and new seeing how Clark deals with being normal. He really enjoyed being a normal kid, most noteable in the basketball game when he falls, feels the pain, and smiles.

[mac19]

10. Whisper, Clark being blind to cause his super hearing develop was nice!
11. Lockdown, just the one i liked best out of the bunch.
12. Leech-Best Line for the Future Superman, I'd Stop people like you!! It is classic, Clark at his Best!!!!!

[vyperman7]

Anyone who wants to join the "Rogue" fanclub just make sure to note it in your custom user text that you are a member. All hail "Rogue".. :D

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Anyone who wants to join the "Rogue" fanclub just make sure to note it in your custom user text that you are a member. All hail "Rogue".. :D

Hell yeah go Rogue :D . I want to get an avatar of Clark stoping the bus from rogue similar your Clark running through the cornfield that looks sweet btw.

[Naomi]

Episode 10 - Scare


Episode 11 - Hug


Episode 12 - Insurgence

[angelus666]

Man it's a tight battle between Whisper (Sucked), Scare (Below Average) and Skinwalker (Brilliant and extremely underated). If Skinwalker loses I will be annoyed having such weak compition I couldn't imagine an episode like Whisper in Episodes - Best of all seasons. With Perry beating Run while I was surprised it wasn't that bad because Perry was very good.

So far 1 season 1 episode has made it (Rogue) (Probably 3 after this round with Hug and Leech)

2 season 2 episodes. (Heat and Red)

3 season 3 episodes. (Exile, Perry and Shattered)

1 Season 4 episodes. (Transference)

2 season 5 episodes. (Hidden and Splinter)

It will be intresting to see what season has the most episodes that will make Best of all seasons. I would guess season 3 but any season other then 4 will put up a good challenge.

[Watching Smallville]

I would guess Season 3, too, mostly because it had a strong second half. I don't consider the second half of Season 5 to be that strong. At least Season 4 had Blank and Commencement.

It's interesting to see Reckoning as a favorite Episode 12. I guess that one you either love it or hate it.

[LionelLuthor]

The 'Rogue' avatar which I would like is one of Clark shouting at Phelan "I want him out!" regarding Jonathan being set up.
Welling did great in that scene.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
The 'Rogue' avatar which I would like is one of Clark shouting at Phelan "I want him out!" regarding Jonathan being set up.
Welling did great in that scene.

Hell Yeah we should all get Rogue avatars I was thinking of getting the one where Phelan shot's at Clark and he watch's the bullet go past him that was cool.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by angelus666
Man it's a tight battle between Whisper (Sucked), Scare (Below Average) and Skinwalker (Brilliant and extremely underated). If Skinwalker loses I will be annoyed having such weak compition I couldn't imagine an episode like Whisper in Episodes - Best of all seasons. With Perry beating Run while I was surprised it wasn't that bad because Perry was very good.


I agree with you Josh. Whisper was terrible. The only scene I liked is at the end where he takes the glasses on and off. Other than that the episode was terrible. What really bugged me is the fact that Clark didn't stay in the glasses after this episode. It would have been the perfect time for it since he had an excuse for it with the eye injury. This would have been more believeable than a miraculous recovery. It also would have helped Clark to make the connection that glasses make people seem him as more "mild mannered" and ordinary. The intro of the glasses came off as being rather pointless since they were gone by the end of the episode.

But you have to remember that even the best seasons of a show have at least one or two episodes you are not crazy about. I am just happy that Rogue made it. I was bummed not to see Run make it because that is one of my top five favorite episodes. But Perry was still a good episode, so it is not that bad. If Reckoning makes it though, I will be really bummed. Leech, Insurgence, or Hereafter will all make great additions. Reckoning is the only one that sucks.

Great idea on the Rogue avitar idea by the way. I can't lose my avitar though. It took me too long to get. But if I were going to get an avitar from the episode, I would have three choices. First obviously the bus crash. Best effects sequence ever. Next I would probably go with Clark smashing the glass with his fist in the museum, and last Clark smashing the column in anger. I actually love the bullet flying by Clark the most after the bus crash, but I don't know how it would work in an avitar.


Originally posted by LEXander the Great
I hate the first season. It was so primitive, boring and childish.


Sorry man, I gotta disagree.

The first season is the second best season of the show after season three. Season one had the best writing and development of any season on the show. All the characters were written the way they were supposed to be. Clark actually came off likeable and more like a hero in training than any other season. Lex came off as a decent guy with hints of his future self from time to time, and Lana was a secondary character whose main purpose was to serve as a love interest, and the one who made Clark want to be more normal and fit in. A lot of the best dialogue is in the first season as well. The only reason why season one doesn't come off as the best is because there wasn't a big overall arc. There are a few mini arcs that come together by the end of the season, but nothing big and grand like season three.

Season two is actually one my least favorite seasons. It had some of the best episodes from the series in it. But it was way too inconsistent, and there were some pretty terrible episodes in that season.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I agree with you Josh. Whisper was terrible. The only scene I liked is at the end where he takes the glasses on and off. Other than that the episode was terrible.

Great idea on the Rogue avitar idea by the way. I can't lose my avitar though. It took me too long to get. But if I were going to get an avitar from the episode, I would have three choices. First obviously the bus crash. Best effects sequence ever. Next I would probably go with Clark smashing the glass with his fist in the museum, and last Clark smashing the column in anger. I actually love the bullet flying by Clark the most after the bus crash, but I don't know how it would work in an avitar.

Yeah that scene with the glasses was very cool but obviously one scene doesn't make an episode it was weak especially compared to X-Ray and Heat. LOL you can't change that avatar it's to cool to change and pretty much the best scene ever. Run would probably be in my top 5 also my top 10 favorite episodes would go.

1. Exile
2. Shattered
3. Red
4. Rogue
5. Run
6. Memoria
7. Skinwalker
8. Pilot
9. Leech
10. Transference

And top 10 best episodes would go in terms of writing directing story etc.

1. Shattered
2. Memoria
3. Rogue
4. Pilot
5. Rosetta
6. Exile
7. Leech
8. Insurgence
9. Exodus
10. Run

[vyperman7]

Yeah my top 5 is pretty much similar to yours dude. The only difference for me is that I would take out Red and put Arrival in there instead. Shattered, Rogue, Arrival, Exile, and Run. I liked Skinwalkers but I wouldn't put it as high as you. The rest of my top ten would probably have Leech, Vortex, Pilot, Covenant, and Transference. I do love all the eps you chose though. I could watch Red over and over and never get sick of it. :D

But as far as the best written/directed category goes, I would add Insurgence to the list.

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelus666
Hell Yeah we should all get Rogue avatars I was thinking of getting the one where Phelan shot's at Clark and he watch's the bullet go past him that was cool.

I have a tiny gif of that one :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/Superheroes/ckrogue.gif

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
But as far as the best written/directed category goes, I would add Insurgence to the list.

Man I can't belive I forgot Insurgence I edited my list and shuffled a couple episodes and unfortuantly had to drop Red.

[Alicia's Sweetie]

Episode 10
S2 - Skinwalker (the only close competition was whisper

Episode 11
S4 - Unsafe (wonderful Ep. loved the love interest and the Red K)

Episode 12
S4 - Pariah (just a tad better than S5 - Reckoning -- we get to see Superman's greatest weakness, the inability to help everyone. His self-doubt and the fact he didn't believe Alicia make this a wonderful epi)


I see a pattern, I like Clark with anyone but Lana. (Just kidding - i just seemed to pick all the Clark other girl eps)

My TOP 10

1) Unsafe
2) Run
3) Blank
4) Perry
5) Heat
6) Red
7) Exposed
8) Lucy
9) Gone
10) Pariah

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Alicia's Sweetie
Episode 10
S2 - Skinwalker (the only close competition was whisper

Episode 11
S4 - Unsafe (wonderful Ep. loved the love interest and the Red K)

Episode 12
S4 - Pariah (just a tad better than S5 - Reckoning -- we get to see Superman's greatest weakness, the inability to help everyone. His self-doubt and the fact he didn't believe Alicia make this a wonderful epi)


I see a pattern, I like Clark with anyone but Lana. (Just kidding - i just seemed to pick all the Clark other girl eps)

My TOP 10

1) Unsafe
2) Run
3) Blank
4) Perry
5) Heat
6) Red
7) Exposed
8) Lucy
9) Gone
10) Pariah

I like most of your top ten choices like Run, Blank, Perry, Heat, Red, Exposed, and Pariah.

But I have got to say that I HATE Unsafe. One of my least favorite episodes of all time. It made no sense as to why Clark would take Alicia back or even associate with her again after what happened in Obsession. Not to mention the Red K factor. That in itself was extremely lame, because they never explain how Alicia even knew about Red K. Now I really do love Pariah though. That was one of S4's best episodes. I just hated Unsafe.

[Alicia's Sweetie]

Originally posted by vyperman7
It made no sense as to why Clark would take Alicia back or even associate with her again after what happened in Obsession. Not to mention the Red K factor. That in itself was extremely lame, because they never explain how Alicia even knew about Red K. Now I really do love Pariah though. That was one of S4's best episodes. I just hated Unsafe.

Clark took her back because she knew his secret, and he could be himself. He wasn't always forced to lie. But, the Red K never made sense. I don't think anyone went to Belle Reve that knew about it.

Gunn

[vyperman7]

It doesn't matter that she knew Clark's secret though. She proved that she was unstable and a killer. It just never jived with me that Clark would simply let Alicia back into his life after what happened. Especially since they had no contact whatsoever before that. I mean look at some of the FOTW's that know Clark's secret. They may know his secret, but you don't see him going to parties or being friends with them do you? :lol:

Granted, Alicia is smokin hot. But still, it just bugged me that Clark would even associate with her again after what happened.

[Watching Smallville]

Well, according to her doctor, she was cured. Remember Chloe said, "And it looks like that's just what our young Mr. Kent wanted to hear." I think that's why he gave her another chance.

[red-K glory]

You know when you think about it the episodes with Alicia kind of froms a trilogy. The first episode was season 3's Obsession. The sequel to that was Unsafe. and the sequel to that was Pariah.
Of the three I would definitely say Obsession was the best, second best was Pariah, and the worst was Unsafe but that is just my opinion.


Oh, and by the way, I would like to be a member of the Rogue fanclub:D
but at the same time I want to keep the "A rush of RED-K" words on my custom user text.

[vyperman7]

You gotta change your user text dude.. :D

In order to be a member you gotta put Rogue Fanclub Member in your custom user.

[red-K glory]

Originally posted by vyperman7
You gotta change your user text dude.. :D

In order to be a member you gotta put Rogue Fanclub Member in your custom user.

O.K. Dude, Consider it done!:)

[vyperman7]

Awesome!

Finally Rogue is getting some respect. :D

I am just glad that Rogue made it into the season. There are a few episodes of Smallville I consider a truly must see, and for me Rogue is one of them. The only episode I love more is Shattered.

[SManBeyond]

10) Scare
11) Lockdown
12) Reckoning

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
You gotta change your user text dude.. :D

In order to be a member you gotta put Rogue Fanclub Member in your custom user.

LOL that can be rule number 1.

[vyperman7]

Hey Josh,

Great avitar dude. One of the best JK/Clark moments ever, and you know it had to come from Rogue.. :D

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Hey Josh,

Great avitar dude. One of the best JK/Clark moments ever, and you know it had to come from Rogue.. :D

Thanks Ryan,

I spent ages looking through Rogue for the right scene to use I couldn't go past the greatest JK/Clark moment ever. Im gonna try and get as many members of the rogue fan club to get rogue avitars too.:)

[Last Sun]

10 = Scare
11 = Lockdown
12 = Reckoning

[LionelLuthor]

I'm in the process of making my 'Rogue' avatar!!!
It'll be a recognisable scene for all you fan club members.

[red-K glory]

Vyperman, when does the next round start?
I can't wait for it dude!

[angelus666]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
I'm in the process of making my 'Rogue' avatar!!!
It'll be a recognisable scene for all you fan club members.

I can't wait to see what scene you choose I know it will be good because it's from Rogue.:D

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by red-K glory
Vyperman, when does the next round start?
I can't wait for it dude!

The next round will start tomorrow.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
The next round will start tomorrow.

Sweet I already know my choices.

[LionelLuthor]

Me too!:eek:

[vyperman7]

Round four completed. Check first page for winners and overall results thus far.

My choices :

Ep 13 - Vengenance (One of the best and most underrated episodes of the show)
Ep 14 - Zero (Another very underrated episode)
Ep 15 - Prodigal (Lucas was the best guest character ever)

Episode 15 was somewhat hard because I also really like Nicodemus as well, and Cyborg was pretty damn good. But Resurrection is one of the worst episodes ever. Probably my third least favorite episode of the show after Ageless and Reckoning.

*********

P.S.

Any ideas on how we should handle the Exodus situation? It falls as the only episode 23. I am thinking a good way to handle it might be to make Calling and Exodus list as one long episode. Anyone else have any other ideas?

[angelus666]

Ep 13 - Vengenance (Very underrated 2nd best episode of season 5)
Ep 14 - Obsession (Thoughest choice of the round Zero and Rush were very close)
Ep 15 - Prodigal (Very good episode good character devolpement fir Lex. Lucas was a very cool guest star where is he now traped with Helen Bryce in the phantom zone?)

[FreakyDroid]

E13 - Vengeance
E14 - Obsession
E15 - Prodigal

[SManBeyond]

13) Vengeance
14) Zero
15) Sacred

[angelus666]

Originally posted by FreakyDroid
E13 - Vengeance
E14 - Obsession
E15 - Prodigal

Nice choices.:D

[cayayofm]

Vengenance
Rush
Nicodemus

[Watching Smallville]

13. Kinetic (I know I'm alone on this one)

14. Zero

15. Prodigal

[BadToad]

Vengeance
Obsession
Nicodemus

[LionelLuthor]

13- Kinetic
14- Obsession
15- Prodigal

[Watching Smallville]

Another Kinetic fan! :D

[angelus666]

Originally posted by vyperman7
P.S.

Any ideas on how we should handle the Exodus situation? It falls as the only episode 23. I am thinking a good way to handle it might be to make Calling and Exodus list as one long episode. Anyone else have any other ideas?

I think that is pretty much the only way it could work. I know I would have to vote for that combo to hard to pass up.

[LionelLuthor]

Indeed WatchingSmallville, I share your kinetic love :D

Hey Ryan, how about breaking Covenant into 3 sections?
E.g:

Kara's introduction
Clark and Kara's flight
Final 5 minutes

OR

'Tempest' V 'Calling' V 'Commencement' V 'Vessel'
WINNER TAKES ON 'Covenant' to decide best finale??

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Any ideas on how we should handle the Exodus situation? It falls as the only episode 23. I am thinking a good way to handle it might be to make Calling and Exodus list as one long episode. Anyone else have any other ideas? How about this -- you've only got 21 eps is season 1. Ideally, I would have moved Redux to season one, so that we had 22 eps for each season. Is it too late to do that? Make it ep 21?

[LionelLuthor]

^ Good idea! We would still have 23 eps in season 3 though, no getting away from that.

OR

'Tempest' V 'Calling' V 'Commencement' V 'Vessel'
WINNER TAKES ON 'Covenant' to decide best finale??

[angelus666]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
^ Good idea! We would still have 23 eps in season 3 though, no getting away from that.

Huh am I missing something season 3 had 22 episodes.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
How about this -- you've only got 21 eps is season 1. Ideally, I would have moved Redux to season one, so that we had 22 eps for each season. Is it too late to do that? Make it ep 21?

Unfortunately it is too late to move Redux because that was already part of an earlier round.


Originally posted by LionelLuthor
^ Good idea! We would still have 23 eps in season 3 though, no getting away from that.

Actually, season two was the only season to have 23 episodes. Season three had 22 just like the other seasons.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
13. Kinetic

I actually really like Kinetic. I think it is an underrated episode. It is funny because I hate Whitney and the episode centered around getting him out of the Kryptonite "cult". But I thought it was an enjoyable episode overall. Plus it had some great Chlark moments in it too. I just didn't like it as much as Vengenance. But that probably would have been my second choice. Although it does begin to grate on you after awhile when the leader of the cult repeatedly says "bro" all episode long. People remember Aqua being like that, but Kinetic was just as bad with overuse of the word "bro" if not worse.. LOL

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I actually really like Kinetic. I think it is an underrated episode. It is funny because I hate Whitney and the episode centered around getting him out of the Kryptonite "cult". But I thought it was an enjoyable episode overall. Plus it had some great Chlark moments in it too. I just didn't like it as much as Vengenance. But that probably would have been my second choice. Although it does begin to grate on you after awhile when the leader of the cult repeatedly says "bro" all episode long. People remember Aqua being like that, but Kinetic was just as bad with overuse of the word "bro" if not worse.. LOL Glad to hear Kinetic is up there on your list. There was a lot about the personal dynamics in that episode I liked. And it was one of the cooler meteor powers.

Living near Venice Beach, I hear "bro" a lot. I think if you've got actors who don't usually use the word, it sounds fake. It didn't bother me so much in Aqua. I got the impression the actor might really talk like that. :D

[LionelLuthor]

Originally posted by angelus666
Huh am I missing something season 3 had 22 episodes.

Apologies to all, I got confused between 'Exodus' and 'Covenant'!
Shame on me, I usually have great episode knowledge!:o
So yeah, 'Exodus' was the season 2 finale and 23rd episode, not season 3's.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
Apologies to all, I got confused between 'Exodus' and 'Covenant'!
Shame on me, I usually have great episode knowledge!:o
So yeah, 'Exodus' was the season 2 finale and 23rd episode, not season 3's.

Dont sweat it man it happens to all of us.:)

[LionelLuthor]

Ryan have you decided what to do yet with the finales?
This is my last suggestion-

Finale quarter -final:
'Tempest' Vs 'Exodus' (Winner goes on to next round)
'Covenant' Vs 'Commencement' (Winner goes on)

Finale semi final:
Winner Vs Winner

Finale final:
Winner Vs 'Vessel'

Sorry it got a bit complicated! I think making 'Calling'/'Exodus' a combo is a great idea. :D


Originally posted by angelus666
Dont sweat it man it happens to all of us.:)

Cheers ;)

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Unfortunately it is too late to move Redux because that was already part of an earlier round. Then what about adding Exodus to the list of Ep 22s? Let it compete w/ Calling rather than combining the two.

Or you could have a round of season finales. That way you could have Tempest and Exodus competing against each other. :)

[red-K glory]

Here is my list

13. Suspect (Kinetic is very close behind, I love that episode! Vengeance was also very good.)

14. Zero (Rush was kind of rushed and it was rather disappointing. The Red-K wasn't really that interesting either, its like the writers threw it in to make episode better. I'm not saying this episode was bad because overall I think it is an O.K. episode, but I think it could have been a lot better. Obsession was good but Zero was better in that it showed us some of Lex's past. Krypto was also good but could have been better and also Lois calling the dog "Clarkie" got old pretty quick. Tomb was just a weird episode. So of all the #14 episodes I would definitely say Zero was the best.)

15. Nicodemus (This was hard because Cyborg was also good and Prodigal was also O.K. Resurrection and Sacred I did not like.)

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by red-K glory
Rush was kind of rushed and it was rather disappointing. The Red-K wasn't really that interesting either, its like the writers threw it in to make episode better. I'm not saying this episode was bad because overall I think it is an O.K. episode, but I think it could have been a lot better.

I completely agree!

I could not have said it better myself. That is why I have gotten to have a problem with Red K. In Red and Exile it was perfect and used the way that it should be. But in other times like Unsafe and Rush it feels like a plot device used to make a weaker episode better and it didn't even really help the episode. Rush has some things I like - Chlark moments, Crazy Pete, out of character Chloe, etc.. But overall, I only thought the episode was OK.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Then what about adding Exodus to the list of Ep 22s? Let it compete w/ Calling rather than combining the two.

Or you could have a round of season finales. That way you could have Tempest and Exodus competing against each other. :)

This is actually a good idea right here.

It would be kind of cool to have Calling face off against Exodus, and then the winner of that goes against the other finales. I think that is what I will do.

[YankeesSuck311]

Vengeance
Rush
Cyborg (Cliffhanger with Lionel at the end going off into a 6 week break was intense)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by YankeesSuck311
Vengeance
Rush
Cyborg (Cliffhanger with Lionel at the end going off into a 6 week break was intense)

I agree with what you say about Cyborg. That cliffhanger was awesome. Unfortunately, I don't agree with your screename but that's a separate manner.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
This is actually a good idea right here.

It would be kind of cool to have Calling face off against Exodus, and then the winner of that goes against the other finales. I think that is what I will do.
Cool. :)


Originally posted by YankeesSuck311
Cyborg (Cliffhanger with Lionel at the end going off into a 6 week break was intense) That's one of the best episode ending of the series.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
That's one of the best episode ending of the series.

Gotta disagree with you here.

Was Cyborg a decent episode? Yes it was. It was pretty good overall. But I was still somewhat dissapointed with it. The reason is because there was not enough action overall or displays of power. Look at Run for example. Lots of displays of Bart's power, a lot of action, and a lot of great interaction with Bart and Clark. Most of the episode focused on Bart and Clark. The subplot with the map actually advanced the main storyline with Bart because it was used to help Bart take a look inside himself and actually think about being a hero. Whereas in Cyborg and Aqua there were subplots that took away from the episode like the Clana in Cyborg, and Lex's lame obsession with marine life in Aqua. Victor aka Cyborg used his powers only a few times throughout the episode, mainly at the beginning, and did a lot of sitting around on his ass waiting to see what Clark could do to help. I loved Evil Lex in this one, as well as the ending with Lionel. But as a whole, it wasn't quite as good as I was expecting it to be. In both Aqua and Cyborg I was dissapointed with the sendoff as well. Run had the amazing race scene at the end, which is still my favorite scene of the show.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Gotta disagree with you here.

Was Cyborg a decent episode? Yes it was. It was pretty good overall. But I was still somewhat dissapointed with it. I was just talking about the ending. One of the best in the series, IMHO. Lionel saying "Your secret is safe with me Kal-El." Really chilling, esp since we weren't absolutely sure whether Lionel was good or bad at that point.

[myankskent]

^ What she said.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I was just talking about the ending. One of the best in the series, IMHO. Lionel saying "Your secret is safe with me Kal-El." Really chilling, esp since we weren't absolutely sure whether Lionel was good or bad at that point.

Oh..

So you were just talking about the ending? My bad. :)

I agree the ending was fantastic. I really did love that ending.

I think that when people saw the episode and the ending, they were thinking Cyborg was one of the best episodes of the series because of that ending. But it takes more than a great ending to make an episode great overall. I would always think "Yeah, the ending was awesome". But the episode as a whole, was only decent.

[myankskent]

Vyperman7, I agree with you with the subplots in Cyborg. The episode was cool, but the ending was the best part. There was too much Clana garbage in that episode that dragged it down. Just like in Hypnotic. The Brainiac stuff was cool in that episode, but the Clana was a disaster and made the episode suck, that and along with the Simone stuff. This is why I cherish episodes like Rosetta because the writers stick to the main story, without including wasted material to drag the show down.

[Miss L]

13--Vengeance
14--Obsession
15--Nicodemus--although I liked Cyborg a lot. Hard choice.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
Vyperman7, I agree with you with the subplots in Cyborg. The episode was cool, but the ending was the best part. There was too much Clana garbage in that episode that dragged it down. Just like in Hypnotic. The Brainiac stuff was cool in that episode, but the Clana was a disaster and made the episode suck, that and along with the Simone stuff. This is why I cherish episodes like Rosetta because the writers stick to the main story, without including wasted material to drag the show down. The whole Lex experimentation on Level 33.1 types was totally buried in the romantic angst. Even Cyborg had his own angsty stuff to deal with. This could have been a really amazing episode without the Clana drama.


Originally posted by vyperman7
I think that when people saw the episode and the ending, they were thinking Cyborg was one of the best episodes of the series because of that ending. But it takes more than a great ending to make an episode great overall. I would always think "Yeah, the ending was awesome". But the episode as a whole, was only decent. Gotta agree with you 100%. Fabulous ending -- but it didn't save the ep from other flaws.

[LEXander the Great]

S5 - Vengenance
S1 - Zero
S4 - Sacred


Originally posted by angelus666
Lucas was a very cool guest star where is he now traped with Helen Bryce in the phantom zone?)

if he's there with her, he's a VERY LUCY MAN! :D

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Round 5 6/9 - 6/14

Episode 13

S1 - Kinetic
S2 - Suspect
S3 - Velocity
S4 - Recruit
S5 - Vengenance

Episode 14

S1 - Zero
S2 - Rush
S3 - Obsession
S4 - Krypto
S5 - Tomb

Episode 15

S1 - Nicodemus
S2 - Prodigal
S3 - Resurrection
S4 - Sacred
S5 - Cyborg

Episode 13: Suspect
Episode 14: Rush
Episode 15: Cyborg

For episode 13, Kinetic & Velocity were close 2nds. But I liked Suspect the best. It was a very well done "Who Did It?" episode. Shows how evil Lionel is and how he gave 4 characters motive to kill him. The limo scene at the end between Lionel & Ethan was great. Also good was Clark & Pete doing the investigation. JK's temper being a problem again was well done. As for Kinetic, I liked it because it was an action-packed Whitney centric episode. It also made me start liking Whitney. Lex dealing with those guys who broke in was also interesting to watch. Velocity was good for the Clark-Pete dynamic and how it follows through the episode with Pete getting into all that trouble with the hardcore bad guy Dante (great non-freak villian). It was great all the way to the end with that accident that really showed how far things got because Pete didn't use his better judgement.

For episode 14, Rush was my #1 pick. Zero & Obsession were also very good episodes. But Rush had a lot of good stuff. It had the mystical cave and an awesome new parasitic creature that was discovered inside. Pete living on the wild side was interesting. I liked the bus incident in the middle of the town. I also liked the introduction of Dr. Walden. Chloe in the fast lane was also interesting (I think that was the 1st time she was like that). I loved the revelation of the secret to her in that episode. Also, red-k was very well used. It made sense how Pete who was acting wild and started getting sick of Clark's goodie 2 shoes, boyscout manner remembered about the red-k and slipped some in his pocket so he can join the group and have even more fun by doing wilder things with someone who's invincible. Clark & Chloe making out was hot and cool to see (especially in Pete's Camaro). Was also cool to see another date with Lana get ruined. Clark's interaction with Lex was also great. This was a very well-done episode with some great new additions (Walden, the parasite, wild Chloe, etc). We also heard Lex telling Dr. Walden to send the live specimens to Cadmus Labs (where Dr. Hamilton worked). It was perhaps a clue that he is still alive.

Episode 15: Nicodemus, Prodigal, and Sacred were great episodes, but for this episode, I say Cyborg takes it. We got to see a future Teen Titan and a very likable & down-to-Earth guy being Victor Stone. Lee Thompson Young did an amazing job playing the tragic young former football star whose family died in a car accident and he somehow lived and now has special prosthetics. Lex was finally interesting to watch in this episode after being boring since Aqua. I like how he seemed sincere and willing to help and how he was lying through his teeth later on. Clark also showed maturity and willingness to help out Victor and saw it all the way through. Lana was also nice to watch as she interacted with Victor & with Clark & Chloe at the Daily Planet. The mysterious package with Martha and Lionel "fending off" the "blackmailer" was awesome. The best was the ending with the opera playing and Lionel watching the video in slo-mo with the line "Your secret is safe with me Kal-El". That was a Holy S--t! ending. I was truly left wowed. Congrats to the cast & crew for such an amazing episode. I hope we get to see Dr. Alistair Krieg again.

[loislanerocks]

1.ageless
2.krypto
3.aqua

[myankskent]

Originally posted by loislanerocks
1.ageless
2.krypto
3.aqua

Those are your favorites?!