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RaniaLovesClois

09-10-2011, 03:09 AM

Episode 13 - Crimson
Episode 14 - Krypto
Episode 15 - Infamous

costas22

09-10-2011, 04:10 AM

I personally find that scene hard to watch since it reminds me how terrible that S5 storyarc of Clark screwing up leads to his dad's death is. I probably would have had more fondness for it if they found a better way for his dad to die and not put blame on Clark. I am not going to say it's a terrible scene, but it's part of a terrible storyline that I rather didn't happen.

I agree that Jonathan's death could have been brought about in a better way, but imo the final scene in Vengeance is not related to that. The scene between Clark and Martha at the end of Reckoning was a case of Clark blaming himself for Jonathan dying. Vengeance was about Clark dealing with the loss of his father, which I believe affects him deeply in any Superman incarnation. Plus, in light of Jonathan's returns in S10, I felt this was a much better send off for him.

skully

09-10-2011, 04:35 AM

Episode 13 - Crimson - just a hoot of a red-K Clark epi, and black-clad Clark crashing the Lexana engagement party was one of the scenes of S6. :D

Episode 14 - Masquerade - the episode that Clark finally adopts Clark Kent as the disguise. Some excellent delevopment of the Desaad/Darkseid story (which unfortunately never got a proper pay off) and some Clois humour as she tried to cannibalize his Blur jacket with a hoodie.

Episode 15 - Infamous - the return of Linda Lake and a glimpse of what the world know ing Clark's secret would be like. And Clark got to tell Lois his secret, which the Legion ring later mind-wiped. :)

LordOnox

09-10-2011, 06:05 AM

Episode 13 - Crimson
Episode 14 - Masquerade
Episode 15 - Escape

HopeforTomorrow

09-10-2011, 06:33 AM

Episode 13: Suspect
Episode 14: Zero (HM to Krypto and Obsession)
Episode 15: This one is really close. Nicodemus is great... but I'm going with Prodigal. It's a virtual tie though. Like Ryan mentioned, it would've been good to have Lucas make a return later on and have an arc. Unfortunately by then, the show had revolved so much around 'ships and girl power that it just wouldn't have worked out all that well. (I also liked Freak, Rush, and Cyborg)

Vergon6

09-10-2011, 06:38 AM

Episode 13 - Crimson-for awhile I was considering choosing "Vengeance", as I really enjoyed that one too, but in a different way obviously. This was much lighter in tone and it was just overall a fun episode, aside from the Clana angst and Chloe not even feigning anger towards Clark with Jimmy. Jimmy trying to play matchmaker-Chloe's surprise and her analogy to how they have chemistry was priceless too, Lois and Clark super jumping across the Metropolis night sky (a nice nod to the future), Lex and Clark's showdown in the barn,etc.

Episode 14 - Masquerade - we finally get some good exploration of the Darkseid arc with Desaad. This is the way it should have been all along (with a side of Intergang perhaps). Not only that, but we have all the main characters intertwined into the main plot of the episode, to the Darkseid plot. We got some good insight into what Desaad was capable of. Then of course there was finally an overt exploration of Clark trying to carve out two separate identities. It showed that Clark was being recognized as an international hero but that he needed some sort of disguise. And we finally got the glasses, although they were only worn sporadically after this. Bert the Photographer was a great little character too. Very entertaining and it seemed like Bryan Q. Miller was channeling Jimmy Olsen with that one. I actually wished they would have explored the side plot a bit more and didn't have Chloe and Oliver take out the FBI agents so easily. That was kind of unbelievable.

I also like "Krypto". It was a nice, fun episode. But "Masquerade" beat it out for me.

Episode 15 - Infamous - an exploration of what life would be like if Clark had told the world his secret with no secret identity to shield his family, friends, and of course, himself from scrutiny. Things start well enough but quickly Clark turns from famous to infamous. Okay now it's just sounding like a summary :p. We not only get to see Clark finally tell Lois his secret (although it's taken back later), but we get to see that her faith him is unshaken and she was willing to stand up and fight for him, even if he thought the Legion ring was the best way. Though time would reverse all of that, Lois would once again defend him and what he stands for later in "Idol", and this was one of our first glimpses into the Lois Lane she was meant to grow into. The Doomsday stuff was great too, with Davis breaking down, realizing it was all true, that he didn't really come back for Chloe but that he was drawn back to kill Clark, as he was programmed to do. This is how it should have been (with Chloe being saved from Doomsday's clutches of course), not Chloe being oblivious to Davis' threat and then somehow calming him (it didn't seem like she had much of a calming effect here in this episode lol).
I really like "Sacred" too

wellinglover66

09-10-2011, 10:30 AM

Episode 13: Suspect
Episode 14: Obsession
Episode 15: Infamous (not a very good bunch)

MrsK

09-10-2011, 10:35 AM

Episode 13 - Crimson - This was just a really fun episode in a group of not-so-good episodes. The Clana drama at the end isn't so great, but overall, an episode I look forward to watching. Also considered Vengeance - the final scene with Clark and Martha is among the best that Smallville has ever done, and Clark is proactive throughout, even as he deals with grief and guilt. I also like Recruit in this group - again, Clark being proactive, figuring out what is going on, and saving the day.

Episode 14 - Masquerade - another tough choice, because Zero and Obsession are both quite good. The scene at the end when Clark dons the glasses puts this one over the top for me.

Episode 15 - Freak - I love the Chlark friendship in this ep. There are several really good scenes between the two of them - when he burns the GPS out of her, and at the end when she acknowledges her fear of what's going to happen with her meteor-freak status and he is there for her. Also a non-angsty Clana scene (which was rare at this point in the series) in the aftermath of the events at Tobias's house. I also like Nicodemus and Infamous.

Supsfan

09-10-2011, 12:35 PM

Episode 13 - Crimson - This was just a really fun episode in a group of not-so-good episodes. The Clana drama at the end isn't so great, but overall, an episode I look forward to watching.

In general this is my problem with many Season 6 second half episodes. Good concept in theory but the Clexana stuff just drags it down a notch. If you taken out all signs of the Clexana triangle out of Hydro, Crimson, Combat, Nemesis and Phantom they all could have been great episodes

rockyshadow

09-10-2011, 01:34 PM

Episode 13: Crimson
Episode 14: Krypto
Episode 15: Infamous

jbshmdfb

09-10-2011, 06:16 PM

Episode 13 - Crimson
Episode 14 - Krypto
Episode 15 - Infamous

Xanderman

09-10-2011, 07:03 PM

Crimson
8.5/10. The standout in the pack and the only episode I'd say rates more than a 6. One of the weakest groups of episodes overall.

Obsession
9/10. A great episode, this and Unsafe were great Alicia eps, it's a shame her final episode (Pariah) didn't measure up. Other good eps in this group for me were Rush and Traveler (7.5 each).

Infamous
9/10. Great ep. Sacred (8/10) is really good as well. Prodigal and Cyborg are good too, they're both solid 7's for me.

BadToad

09-10-2011, 07:21 PM

Episode 13 : Vengeance
I'm sort of baffled by the love for Crimson.

Episode 14: Masquerade

Episode 15: Freak

Xanderman

09-10-2011, 08:28 PM

I'm sort of baffled by the love for Crimson.Well wonder no more, here's the reason:
(http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Lois_Lane)
Lois: Lana is your past. I'm your future.
(http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Kal)Kal: This is the present.

:lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v84zWa34Xnw

Question: Were you a fan of Red? Because Crimson is basically just another shade of that episode....(pun intended) I pretty much enjoy all episodes where Clark is out of character/evil.

Supsfan

09-10-2011, 08:38 PM

I pretty much enjoy all episodes where Clark is out of character....

But you voted for Krypto on the worst of list. Clark was pretty much out of character that episode, he was happy for an entire episode.

SGuthrie27

09-10-2011, 08:59 PM

YES! Glad to see that the new round is now up and running! Okay, then... Here are my Round 5 picks...

Episode 13: "Vengeance." This really isn't a very strong grouping of episodes at all, to be quite honest. There weren't many good options to pick from. "Kinetic" is okay, I guess, if you like mostly Whitney-centric episodes, but it did have pretty good characterization, as most all Season 1 episodes do. "Suspect" is a cool mystery, but I guess it's not as powerful as some Season 2 episodes in the overall series scheme of things. "Recruit" is very fun, and I almost picked it, 'cause I love the Chlark scoobying, and Lois is pretty cool and funny in it, too. But I think "Vengeance" packs a more powerful emotional impact in the long run. "Beacon" has some solid points as well, but in all honesty, most of Season 10 doesn't strike much of a chord with me. As for the rest, I guess "Crimson" is okay, but it's not stellar or amazing, IMO. The rest are average to blechy. :lol:

Episode 14: "Traveler." I don't see any other episode coming close, to be honest. "Zero" is a cool look at Lex's past, so I like it. "Rush" is full of Chlarky brilliance and out-of-character craziness. "Obsession" introduces Alicia Baker, but I didn't like her all that much in her initial appearance. Krypto features the first appearance of Shelby, which I guess should count for something. I don't hate "Trespass" or "Persuasion," either. "Tomb" is still pretty creepy to me, but I don't hate it like I used to think I did. "Masquerade" has a hot Chlark scene... :lol: But yeah, "Traveler" rocks, IMO. I enjoyed most every part of it, including the inclusion of Patricia Swann, Lex starting to inch closer to the Veritas mystery, Lionel's desperation to protect Clark, and Lana, Chloe, and Kara working together to find Clark and rescue him (which I know some people dislike, but in all honesty, they had to do it so that he could later save the entire planet from Apokolips and other threats -- every hero needs to be saved at some point or another, and I don't think it cheapens their acts of heroism when that happens).

Episode 15: "Infamous." I don't think this is a bad set of episodes, in all honesty. There are multiple ones on the list that I actually really enjoy. "Prodigal" was an episode that featured a lot of Clark, Lex, and the Luthors, and I thought Lucas Luthor was a fascinating character who should've made more than a one-time appearance. "Sacred" amped up the Stones of Knowledge arc to a whole different level, and packed a powerful action-filled punch. "Freak" is a stellar Chloe-centric episode that also features Clark at his best, and shows Lana inching closer to the truth. "Cyborg" is a nice introduction to another future Justice League character. Even "Fortune" has its moments, particularly in the Chlark loft scene. But yeah, "Infamous" is the most powerful, well-written episode of this set.

Supsfan

09-10-2011, 09:07 PM

Episode 14: "Traveler." ....Lana, Chloe, and Kara working together to find Clark and rescue him (which I know some people dislike, but in all honesty, they had to do it so that he could later save the entire planet from Apokolips and other threats -- every hero needs to be saved at some point or another, and I don't think it cheapens their acts of heroism when that happens).

I don't see why they "had to do that". They easily could have had Clark escape from the cage himself, then had him go recover Kara's memories and it wouldn't have changed 1 thing about the bigger picture of what's going on in that episode. As I said in the worst of thread Traveler to me was a sign the writers could care less about Clark more then anything.

In general locking up Clark in a cage for 3/4 of an episode is a stupid premise to start with, it's not something the show "had to do". What makes it worse is when that is coupled up with not allowing Clark(you know the guy who should be the hero of the story) to be the one who restores his cousins memories(because I assume they had more important things to do then waste time on Clark doing something heroic). Honestly if they wanted Kara to save him could they have at least had Clark restore her memories in Fracture or Hero?

HopeforTomorrow

09-11-2011, 02:05 PM

I'm sort of baffled by the love for Crimson.

I don't get it either. I'm equally baffled by all of the love that Infamous is getting. Both are easily running away with it. I'm assuming Lois (and "Clois" moments) merely appearing in the episodes has something to do with it - yet Bulletproof (much better story than these two, IMO, featuring Lana and no "Clois" moments) is rated the worst over in the other thread. I'm seeing a little bit of a pattern here. That's how these things go, I guess.

Xanderman

09-11-2011, 06:31 PM

But you voted for Krypto on the worst of list. Clark was pretty much out of character that episode, he was happy for an entire episode.Lol well I guess that means "happy" is the exception to the rule.:lol: Krypto just doesn't sit right with me for some reason Sups old buddy....might be the damn dog.:lol: jk Part of it for me I'm sure is that I was never really a fan of Lois/Clois on Smallville, in particular early seasons Lois. I'm more of a Lana/Clana man you see, angst and all.:cool: :lol: But they completely butchered Lana's character and then some over the years, what a mess.

I don't get it either. I'm equally baffled by all of the love that Infamous is getting. Both are easily running away with it. I'm assuming Lois (and "Clois" moments) merely appearing in the episodes has something to do with it - yet Bulletproof (much better story than these two, IMO, featuring Lana and no "Clois" moments) is rated the worst over in the other thread. I'm seeing a little bit of a pattern here. That's how these things go, I guess.As far as the Crimson choice goes the Clois stuff doesn't factor in much for me personally. With Crimson it's the second half of the episode that really hammers it home, from the dinner party onward. Kal's antics were hilarious. Lex's reactions in particular are always great to see. The Kal/Lana scene in the barn afterward was good too, and they sealed it with more of Lex and his stunned reactions--try as he might he's just never able to quite figure out Clark. And it's always great when they continue the tradition of Clark throwing Lex around like a rag doll, that is the essence of great Smallville my friend.:cool: :lol: But either way I agree that Bulletproof isn't a bad episode.

HopeforTomorrow

09-11-2011, 08:01 PM

I'm more of a Lana/Clana man you see, angst and all.

Be careful 'bout sayin' things like this 'round these parts. It's just not safe.

As far as the Crimson choice goes the Clois stuff doesn't factor in much for me personally. With Crimson it's the second half of the episode that really hammers it home, from the dinner party onward. Kal's antics were hilarious. Lex's reactions in particular are always great to see. The Kal/Lana scene in the barn afterward was good too, and they sealed it with more of Lex and his stunned reactions--try as he might he's just never able to quite figure out Clark. And it's always great when they continue the tradition of Clark throwing Lex around like a rag doll, that is the essence of great Smallville my friend.:cool: :lol: But either way I agree that Bulletproof isn't a bad episode.

That's very reasonable. I think that the second half of the episode was better too. There are so many unintentionally funny Lex scenes in the history of this show. I always get a laugh out of the Hypnotic Lex toss. LOL

Pali

09-12-2011, 12:08 AM

Episode 13: Beacon - I loved Beacon, many great scenes, Martha being in it and some development in Alexander storyline.......which I liked in the end. I was afraid that clone will turn into Lex, but I was okay with him being Conner.
Episode 14: Obsession - Nice episode, and I have to honestly say, I don´t hate any of these episodes. I even considered Requiem for my pick.....I enjoyed it. Thing is that I forgive more to dramatic episodes than to boring episodes.......
Episode 15: Freak - One of my favourites. Infamous is close behind.

Exedore

09-12-2011, 05:09 PM

Episode 13: Recruit (honourable mention: Suspect)
Episode 14: Krypto :D (honourable mention: Obsession)
Episode 15: Prodigal

CKWannabe

09-12-2011, 07:12 PM

Episode 13: CRIMSON (Close 2nd is Suspect!)
Episode 14: RUSH
Episdoe 15: NICODEMUS

Xanderman

09-12-2011, 10:16 PM

Be careful 'bout sayin' things like this 'round these parts. It's just not safe.I know, that's why I added "But they completely butchered Lana's character and then some over the years, what a mess" right after....to smooth things over with the Lana/Clana hating masses.:cool: :lol:

There are so many unintentionally funny Lex scenes in the history of this show. I always get a laugh out of the Hypnotic Lex toss. LOL:lol: Yeah, hilarious. Lex gives Clark a smart-ass welcome ("Well it's always nice to be welcomed home after a trip, but I didn't expect to find you here") and then BAM, he's halfway across the room. :lol: Lex's desperate response to the surprise ass whoopin' from the floor: "Clark you've been hypnotized! How else could you throw me across the room like that?" :lol:

vyperman7

09-13-2011, 03:55 AM

Well everyone..Time for another sudden death round.. Krypto vs Masquerade.. It will go until Thurs.. Other results posted..

Masquerade

skully

09-13-2011, 04:01 AM

Masquerade.

Supsfan

09-13-2011, 04:19 AM

Well everyone..Time for another sudden death round..

http://i55.tinypic.com/242zlew.jpg

KRYPTO

costas22

09-13-2011, 04:21 AM

Supsfan

09-13-2011, 04:27 AM

Surprised Infamous won. Personally I am not a big fan of that episode because everything was undone in the end and the only plot advancement was Davis realizing how he could keep his monster side in check. Which led to S8's darker last episodes.

To be honest I am not surprised. That being said I agree with your point about everything being reversed comes off pointless. To often AU/Time Reversals are used as a cheap story telling method and I didn't care for it. You can add having Chloe tell Clark everything bad that would happen if he tells his secret, then it happening made Clark not look so great. the only decent thing I can come up for the episode is it makes for a great argument that if Clark wanted to be with Lana why not just reverse the timeline an extra week. lol

costas22

09-13-2011, 04:36 AM

the only decent thing I can come up for the episode is it makes for a great argument that if Clark wanted to be with Lana why not just reverse the timeline an extra week. lol

Lol, never thought about that. Good point. The writers were probably going in "we will ignore Lana's return" mode there.

SGuthrie27

09-13-2011, 05:05 AM

Masquerade!

Supsfan

09-13-2011, 05:20 AM

Lol, never thought about that. Good point. The writers were probably going in "we will ignore Lana's return" mode there.

I honestly wouldn't put it past the producers if they did in on purpose for the fact it gives fans an out to the whole Lana fiasco.

RaniaLovesClois

09-13-2011, 09:27 AM

Krypto

Pali

09-13-2011, 10:10 AM

Masquerade

wellinglover66

09-13-2011, 10:43 AM

Krypto

BadToad

09-13-2011, 10:53 AM

Masquerade

smallvillefreak24

09-13-2011, 11:16 AM

MASQUERADE by a looooong shot

LordOnox

09-13-2011, 01:47 PM

Masquerade

Vergon6

09-13-2011, 04:12 PM

I really like "Krypto", but I will have to go with Masquerade by a hair...okay bad pun :p.

HopeforTomorrow

09-13-2011, 05:07 PM

Sudden Death!!: Krypto

I know, that's why I added "But they completely butchered Lana's character and then some over the years, what a mess" right after....to smooth things over with the Lana/Clana hating masses.:cool: :lol:

Nice move. LOL

:lol: Yeah, hilarious. Lex gives Clark a smart-ass welcome ("Well it's always nice to be welcomed home after a trip, but I didn't expect to find you here") and then BAM, he's halfway across the room. :lol: Lex's desperate response to the surprise ass whoopin' from the floor: "Clark you've been hypnotized! How else could you throw me across the room like that?" :lol:

:lol: Exactly. Great summary. The toss coupled with the dialogue is unintentionally hilarious.

MrsK

09-13-2011, 05:17 PM

Masquerade

jbshmdfb

09-13-2011, 11:19 PM

Krypto

Supsfan

09-14-2011, 02:45 AM

I am surprised there isn't more love for Krypto. There is not a more important relationship then a man and his dog.

costas22

09-15-2011, 12:01 AM

Unless it's a man and his Burt. :p

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae212/costas22/1014Smallville0502.jpg

Exedore

09-15-2011, 06:04 AM

KRYPTO

I am surprised there isn't more love for Krypto. There is not a more important relationship then a man and his dog.

Very sad. I mean c'mon people, how can you not vote for this?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7762/krypto1.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2971/krypto2.jpg http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3996/krypto3.jpg

:D

I suppose we will have to take solace in the fact that he put up enough of a fight to create a tie in the first place.

HopeforTomorrow

09-15-2011, 06:40 AM

^^:lol:

Krypto had my vote. Shelby owns Burt. Clark wants nothing to do with Burt.

vyperman7

09-15-2011, 10:18 PM

Sudden death is over. Masquerade is the winner.

Round 6 - Episodes 16-18 Ends Monday night

Episode 16

S1-Stray
S2-Fever
S3-Crisis
S4-Lucy
S5-Hypnotic
S6-Promise
S7-Descent
S8-Turbulence
S9-Checkmate
S10- Scion

Episode 17

S1-Reaper
S2-Rosetta
S3-Legacy
S4-Onyx
S5-Void
S6-Combat
S7-Sleeper
S8-Hex
S9-Upgrade
S10 - Kent

Episode 18

S1-Drone
S2-Visitor
S3-Truth
S4-Spirit
S5-Fragile
S6-Progeny
S7-Apocalypse
S8-Eternal
S9-Charade
S10 - Booster

******************
My Choices :

EP16- Descent - A clear winner for me. Although Stray and Turbulence are both enjoyable eps.
EP17- Rosetta - Hex, Legacy, Onyx, Combat, and Kent are all good eps. Probably the hardest episode choice of the game
EP18- Apocalypse - Booster was a DAMN good episode. Apocalypse is still the best choice though. One of my favorite eps. It is a shame that most of S7 sucks so much.

wellinglover66

09-15-2011, 10:32 PM

Episode 16: Descent
Episode 17: Kent
Episode 18: Apocalypse

Supsfan

09-15-2011, 10:57 PM

Episode 16: Lucy

One of my favorite episodes. A nice simple plot, with a nice change up for a bad guy(ie not a FOTW), and Clark being very proactive saving the day. It's nice when they can write Clark for an entire episode being happy, living a normal life where he saves/fixes the issue of that episode with no bigger overreaching storyline. One of the best end scenes of the series that leaves the viewer off on a happy note and props up Clark at the same time. The episode is almost perfect save they left out a scene or making any mention of how Lucy goes from getting chased on the slopes to working with the villain of the episode.

Episode 17: Hex
Episode 18: Spirit

I'll link these both together since both get high praise for the same reason. In general I rather watch Clark's life be a comedy where crap happening is not taken to seriously then some dark drama. I thought both plots were a nice change up from the typical storyline patterns the show employs(especially Hex which stood out in a rather bleak second half of S8). To this day the "crown's mine *****" makes me laugh everytime. Much like Lucy above both episodes have the simple pattern of whatever life shoots at you, everything is alright at the end which I believe suits a Superman based show.

HM go to Onyx(which was the best Lex-centric episode and another good example how you can have serious "drama" without having to be melodramtic) or Combat(which I would rate higher if it wasn't for the Clexana tie in at the beginning and ending of the episode) for episodes 17, which both would make my best 40. For episode 18 I liked Charade, but unlike the above 3 episodes I picked, this one loses marks for the final scene. In general I prefer when episodes end on a happy note and this one ended more on a "drama" note. Charade would have been much better if the show just made that final scene more standalone to tie up the issues of that episode on a good note.

RaniaLovesClois

09-16-2011, 02:41 AM

Episode 16: Lucy
Episode 17: Hex
Episode 18: Charade

skully

09-16-2011, 03:30 AM

Episode 16: Descent - the death of Lionel, and the fianl descent into the evil mastermind that Lex was to become. Just pips Fever.
Episode 17: Rosetta - A classic - just shades Hex, Onyx, Combat and Kent in a quality group.
Episode 18: Apocalypse - quality AU epi featuring President Lex being manipulated by Brainiac.

costas22

09-16-2011, 03:52 AM

Episode 16 - Descent. I also likeTurbulence, Checkmate, Scion and Fever. Good bunch overall.
Episode 17 - Rosetta. One of my all time favorites. Onyx, Legacy and Kent are right behind.
Episode 18 - Progeny. Not a strong bunch imo. This was the one that intrigued me the most.

BadToad

09-16-2011, 09:59 AM

Ep 16 : Turbulence
Ep 17 : Rosetta
Ep 18 : Spirit

Supsfan

09-16-2011, 03:46 PM

Just pips Fever

All I have to say about Fever is the less we know about Martha being pregnant the better. I have no clue what the hell was the purpose of that storyline. Thankfully most Season 2 episodes completely avoided that topic. In general I think Smallville should have avoided all pregnancy storylines. lol

I always chuckle how we find out Martha is pregnant in Ryan(or at least hinted at) and she has a miscarriage in Exodus and I think we can safely assume there is a good 5-6 months between episodes but it Martha body doesn't change one bit.

SGuthrie27

09-16-2011, 05:34 PM

Episode 16: Stray

This is the episode that I absolutely HAVE to pick! I mean, yeah, there are a few other options that I like as well, but when I look at the series as a whole, this one is spectacularly stellar. I have always loved the brotherly relationship between Clark and Ryan James, and the way that the future Superman was so powerfully inspirational to young Ryan. It was cool to have Clark hear some of his insights, too, about the people around him. "Promise" gets second place from me, for it's amazing three-points-of-view plot premise. Regardless of what other people think about it (and I'm not going to get in another debate about it, because I've done that umpteen times already), I still highly enjoy it, and find it to be one of the high points of Season 6. "Checkmate," "Fever," and "Crisis" are also excellent options in this category, and there aren't really too many that I consider clunkers, other than "Hypnotic" and half of "Turbulence."

Episode 17: Rosetta
I didn't really feel like there was any other option among the choices given. "Rosetta" has been, and always will be, one of the most important springboard episodes that led to the rest of the series and opened up a whole new world for Clark as he discovered his true Kryptonian heritage. The inclusion of Christopher Reeve as Dr. Virgil Swann was amazing, and probably still serves to give many viewers goosebumps. "Hex" was impressive to me as well, and I briefly considered it. "Onyx," "Legacy," "Kent," and "Upgrade" were all pretty good choices as well.

Episode 18: Apocalypse
This was another choice that came pretty easily. "Apocalypse" is a sweepingly epic episode, filled with action, creativity in the "alternate universe" that Jor-El created to show Clark the error of his decision to do nothing about Brainiac going back in time to Krypton to kill him. I particularly love "Spirit" and "Truth" as well.

Supsfan

09-16-2011, 05:43 PM

"Promise" gets second place from me, for it's amazing three-points-of-view plot premise.

If only Ageless had 3 points of view maybe more would like it. lol

"Rosetta" has been, and always will be, one of the most important springboard episodes that led to the rest of the series and opened up a whole new world for Clark as he discovered his true Kryptonian heritage.

Not sure if that is a good or bad thing. lol

To be perfectly honest the way Clark's Kryptonian heritage was treated on the show I think I would have been just as happy if it stayed locked(probably why I don't have as high an opinion as some on this episode). I think my biggest peeve with Rosetta was the episode overall was entertaining but the final scene is rated one of my worst 3 or 4 final scenes of an episode(I know some people will argue Clark whining how his life sucks makes for great drama, but it really leaves the viewer off on a downer). I much rather Rosetta introduced Clark's Kryptonian Heritage as a positive thing in his life.

For the sake of arguement here is some of my favorite and least favorite last scenes of an episode

In general I like last scenes that tie up the plot of the episode and end on a positive note. So instead of saying the same thing for all 10 of these I will just list them and it's implied that is the reason I like it.

1. Facade - dunk tank
2. Lucy - we're friends now
3. Perry - final goodbyes
4. Run - new fast friend
5. Hothead - screaming in the football field
6. Duplicity - Ordinary Day(Clark and Pete playing Basketball)
7. Craving - watching bugs bunny
8. Krypto - Naming the dog and frisbee
9. Forever - last day of school
10. Isis - Lois finds out the secret

HM Dichotic - while not really a happy ending seeing Clark tell off Chloe and Lana and walk out of the Talon with a smile on his face put one on mine(to bad we didn't get that Clark more often on the show).

As for worst last scenes

1. Hidden - my life sucks and somebody will die because of my stupidity
2. Rosetta - my life sucks and I think my father is a jackhole
3. Requiem - honestly this is how your going to end it? so much angst and so many plotholes
4. Beast - Honestly Clark I am doing this to protect you because this is a network that caters to females aged 18-34 and I generally am liked more by that demographic then you so they have to make you useless to prop me up in hopes we can keep up the F18-34 ratings(who cares about males anyways)
5. Generic Clana last scene where she comes to see Clark, makes a passive aggressive comment about secrets and lies, then storms out of the place while crappy pop music is playing in the background. There is so many of these scenes I couldn't tell you what exactly was said and what episode it happened but it was repeated ad nauseum during the entire run of the show, many of them the last scene of that episode.
6. Calling - Clark's happy kissing Lana, Chloe cries, Lana leaves, Jor-El comes to ruin his day = Drama
7. Hereafter - Jonathon's Heart Attack - you know this point could have been easily adverted if Jonathon just grabbed a piece of green K and hunted down Clark, but why do that when you can give more reasons for Clark to blame himself
8. Velocity - oh great now Clark has problems with Pete, I sense a common pattern for storylines in Season 3. The final scene of this episode makes me reminisce for the good ol' days back in Duplicity
9. Infamous - The last scene of Clark not calling Lois while he was watching her from the other side of the street had everything I hate about non verbal Clana angsty endscenes in it, well besides Lana
10. Cure - all the angst of a Clana scene just with Jimmy and Chloe

HM: Promise - I am probably being super generous saying this is a HM because seeing Clark with a sad face gets lost in how incredibly bad the rest of the episode was and I guess I just shared his negative mood.

LordOnox

09-16-2011, 09:18 PM

Episode 16: Descent
Episode 17: Hex
Episode 18: Apocalypse

Vergon6

09-17-2011, 01:21 AM

Episode 16: Descent - We get Lex's final descent into becoming the villain he was destined to be with one of the most memorable speeches for me on the show as he pushes Lionel out the window to his death. We get to see Lois and Jimmy working on a story and Clark saving the day. While a pretty dark episode, it was one of the better episodes of Season 7. Lucy was probably second for me in this group.

Episode 17: Onyx - "I am the villain of the story!"--we get a sneak peak into the villain Lex would eventually becomes through the use of black kryptonite. While Lex was a bit hammy at times after being split, the episode overall eclipses any of that. It still one of the most memorable episodes for me. "Rosetta", "Legacy", and "Hex" were pretty good as well.

Episode 18: Apocalypse - This still stands as my favorite episode of
Season 7. We get to see Lex as President, Clark donning the glasses to 'blend in', some great Jimmy and Lois moments, Brainiac. A clever nod to Lana and Pete through Lana ending up with 'Pierre Rousseau'. The only thing that was confusing was the timeline. I just assumed that it must have been an alternate future (even if it was a Jor-El illusion), since Lex was already president, Lois had pulitzer, etc. But it's never stated whether it's supposed to be present day or not.

Xanderman

09-17-2011, 09:35 AM

Turbulence
10/10. Tough choice between this, Promise and Stray, all 10's in my book.

Onyx
9.5/10

Apocalypse
10/10

HopeforTomorrow

09-17-2011, 05:16 PM

Episode 16: Stray
I also thought that Descent, Fever, and Crisis were good. Descent is better than anything that Seasons 8-10 had to offer, IMO. Turbulence may have been the best episode in the second half of Season 8.

Episode 17: Rosetta
I also liked Onyx, Legacy, and Reaper.

Episode 18: Visitor (I know that I'll be on my own island with this one)
Others that I liked were Drone, Truth, Spirit, and Fragile. I'm sure that I'm in the minority that liked Fragile. Apocalypse was OK, but I think that it was too much to be crammed into one episode.

All I have to say about Fever is the less we know about Martha being pregnant the better. I have no clue what the hell was the purpose of that storyline. Thankfully most Season 2 episodes completely avoided that topic.

I wasn't that invested in the Martha being pregnant storyline, but like you said, at least it wasn't something repeatedly hammered into our heads taking up time nearly every episode like - I don't know - the whole "Clois"-getting-married-only-not-to-get-married-even-7 years-later storyline, just as an example. I have no idea what they were thinking with that one - just another routine epic fail for Team Souders/Peterson, IMO.

In general I think Smallville should have avoided all pregnancy storylines. lol

If that would've happened, then I would've missed out on some of the best story-telling that this show had to offer. Seriously though, I don't know why it was that the producers/writers had it out for babies/pregnancies so bad. Even in Lexmas with Lana dying. Maybe they were a part of some strange voodoo cult against babies or something.

Supsfan

09-17-2011, 05:32 PM

I wasn't that invested in the Martha being pregnant storyline, but like you said, at least it wasn't something repeatedly hammered into our heads taking up time nearly every episode like - I don't know - the whole "Clois"-getting-married-only-not-to-get-married-even-7 years-later storyline, just as an example.

The main problem with the Martha Pregnancy storyline was it was written for no other reason then to cause misery in Clark's life for the final(ie one more thing he can feel at fault for). While I was no fan of the Clois are they getting married at least it wasn't written to only make Clark miserable at the end of the season(series). Basically when the whole point of a storyline it to make Clark depressed so he does stupid things, it's hard to digest it which like I said above is a huge reason I don't care for Fever, it just touches that storyline to much for my tastes(sort of an early example of the writing/story ideas going in a bad direction).

I am generally not a fan of storylines that only purpose is to make Clark feel guilty and do dumb things. The Martha pregnancy definitely fits that bill, I also never was a fan of Jonathon's heart troubles(honestly couldn't he just have grabbed a piece of Green K)

HopeforTomorrow

09-18-2011, 05:45 AM

The main problem with the Martha Pregnancy storyline was it was written for no other reason then to cause misery in Clark's life for the final(ie one more thing he can feel at fault for). While I was no fan of the Clois are they getting married at least it wasn't written to only make Clark miserable at the end of the season(series).

Since AI Jor-El was introduced the way that it was, it would've been nice if the show had touched a little more on giving an explanation for why Martha was allowed to become pregnant in exchange for the AI trying to take Clark. I read a theory by xrayvision earlier in the year that went a little into that and would've added a little more substance to that storyline without it barely taking up any time. Of course, the outcome or payoff would've still been the same, but at least it would've made more sense.

I guess that it could be assumed that that's the reason that the ship allowed for the pregnancy, or maybe the ship was somehow imbued with healing technology when activated that restored a person to being free of any defects - similar to what happened to Lionel in Transference as a result of Clark's spirit energy.

As for the "Clois" wedding storyline, I wonder how that would've played out had there somehow been a Season 11. lol Unless that season would've been fast forwarded 7 years later it would've been even more of a ridiculous joke.

I also never was a fan of Jonathon's heart troubles(honestly couldn't he just have grabbed a piece of Green K)

So, you wanted Jonathan to grab some green k and drive out to a HUGE city by himself where he may have to camp out for days, or maybe even weeks looking around for Clark with little to no chance of getting close enough to use the Green K? If they'd gone that route, I think that it would've been really good if Pete was also used in that storyline. He didn't get anything to do until Extinction. If they'd gone with your version though, it wouldn't be unrealistic for Jonathan to still develop a heart condition since he'd be taking on a lot more stress from looking around (with Pete) putting them both in danger and somehow finding a way to get close enough to subdue Clark (but that had already been done before in Red - which was a precursor to the Exodus--Phoenix storyline).

Supsfan

09-18-2011, 10:26 AM

So, you wanted Jonathan to grab some green k and drive out to a HUGE city by himself where he may have to camp out for days, or maybe even weeks looking around for Clark with little to no chance of getting close enough to use the Green K? If they'd gone that route, I think that it would've been really good if Pete was also used in that storyline. He didn't get anything to do until Extinction. If they'd gone with your version though, it wouldn't be unrealistic for Jonathan to still develop a heart condition since he'd be taking on a lot more stress from looking around (with Pete) putting them both in danger and somehow finding a way to get close enough to subdue Clark (but that had already been done before in Red - which was a precursor to the Exodus--Phoenix storyline).

Anything to save us from the Jonathon has heart troubles storyline. All that being said all Jonathon would have to do is hang out at Clark's place till he shows up then pull out the green K, but that of coarse would save us from Clark blaming himself for his dad's issues which I found dragged down both Season 3 and 5(hell for all I love Season 4, even that storyline creep a bit into a couple Season 4 episode with Lana having to give Martha some sage advice about her love life and Jonathon's problems).

Pali

09-18-2011, 11:27 AM

Episode 16: Stray
Episode 17: Combat
Episode 18: Truth

MrsK

09-18-2011, 01:46 PM

Episode 16: Descent
Episode 17: Rosetta
Episode 18: Apocalypse

Exedore

09-19-2011, 08:40 PM

Episode 16 : Stray (Honourable Mention: Lucy; as for Descent, I feel it's a little overrated)

Episode 17 : Onyx (Honourable Mentions: Hex and Combat)

Episode 18 : Spirit

vyperman7

09-19-2011, 10:57 PM

Results are posted on the first page. This year like last year we are doing a finale round to try and match things up bit more evenly. Tempest. Salvation, and the Finale are all 21's with the rest of the finales being 22 and 23 in the case of Exodus.

Round 7 : Episodes 19-21 - Ends Thursday night

Episode 19

S1-Crush
S2-Precipice
S3-Memoria
S4-Blank
S5-Mercy
S6-Nemesis
S7-Quest
S8-Stilleto
S9- Sacrifice
S10- Dominion

Episode 20

S1-Obscura
S2-Witness
S3-Talisman
S4-Ageless
S5-Fade
S6-Noir
S7- N/A
S8-Beast
S9-Hostage
S10- Prophecy

Episode 21

S1-N/A
S2-Accelerate
S3-Forsaken
S4-Forever
S5-Oracle
S6-Prototype
S8-Injustice
S9- N/A
S10 - N/A

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My Choices :

Episode 19- Nemesis - Very tough round. I also really like Memoria, Dominion, and Blank. I still get bugged with Blank in regards to Clark not discovering Chloe knows the truth though. If there was ever a perfect set up for it, it was Blank.

Episode 20- Talisman - One of my favorite eps of the series. Witness and Fade were enjoyable as well. Witness was actually one of my favorite S2 eps. An underrated ep IMO.

Episode 21- Oracle - Still an awesome episode. One of S5's best. It is a shame that Vessel didn't turn out to be a better season finale with such a great set up.

Pali

09-19-2011, 11:41 PM

Episode 19: Blank
Episode 20: Talisman
Episode 21: Forever - I think this is very underrated episode, people remember usually disgusting FotW power, but this episode had so many strong, enjoyable and touching scenes.....especially last day of high school captures perfectly how I and my classmates felt at the end of high school....

vyperman7

09-20-2011, 12:13 AM

Episode 21: Forever - I think this is very underrated episode, people remember usually disgusting FotW power, but this episode had so many strong, enjoyable and touching scenes.....especially last day of high school captures perfectly how I and my classmates felt at the end of high school....

I agree with you. I find it to be an enjoyable episode. Not one of the greatest eps of the series but I did enjoy it.

costas22

09-20-2011, 12:57 AM

Episode 19 - Memoria. One of my top 3 episodes. Great insight into Lex's past and why his relationship with Lionel turned out like it did. Blank, Nemesis and Sacrifice were also very good.
Episode 20 - Noir. What a weak bunch of episodes, lol. This one wins by default really. In terms of AUs, I thought it was very well put together.
Episode 21 - Oracle. Like vyperman said, Oracle did a great job to set up the season finale. The last penultimate episode of the show that was action heavy and directly connected to the finale like that.

RaniaLovesClois

09-20-2011, 03:03 AM

Episode 19: Stiletto
Episode 20: Fade
Episode 21: Prototype

Supsfan

09-20-2011, 04:12 AM

Episode 19: Stiletto

A nice fun A-plot mixed with a b-plot I rather not have had.

Episode 20: Fade

Very weak bunch. Fade sort of wins by default. I thought the bulk of the episode was entertaining for what it was, but like a few other Season 5 episodes, the final 10 minutes drags it down. It's episodes like this that make me wish the show was more stand alone and tried to stay away from season long plots(in this case Lexana and more so Clark whining to Chloe what is Lana up to)

Episode 21: Prototype

Another not so great bunch(although better then the 20s as a whole), but this and Forever stand well above the rest.

Ryan James

09-20-2011, 07:24 AM

Episode 19: Crush Between this and "Talisman"

Episode 20: Ageless This beat out "Arctic"

Episode 21 Tempest Barely beat "Forever"

BadToad

09-20-2011, 08:17 AM

Episode 19 : Nemesis
Episode 20 : Talisman
Episode 21 : Accelerate

MrsK

09-20-2011, 09:46 AM

Episode 19 : Blank
Episode 20 : Obscura
Episode 21 : Oracle

wellinglover66

09-20-2011, 10:56 AM

Episode 19 : Nemesis
Episode 20 : Talisman
Episode 21 : Accelerate

rockyshadow

09-20-2011, 12:42 PM

Episode 19: Stiletto

Episode 20: Obscura

Episode 21: Prototype

LordOnox

09-20-2011, 01:53 PM

Episode 19: Blank
Episode 20: Beast
Episode 21: Oracle

wellinglover66

09-20-2011, 02:17 PM

Episode 19: Crush Between this and "Talisman"

Episode 20: Ageless This beat out "Arctic"

Episode 21 Tempest Barely beat "Forever"

Umm, Tempest is a finale and is not on the list.

SGuthrie27

09-20-2011, 04:26 PM

SGuthrie27's Round 7 Choices:

Episode 19
S4-Blank - It's a personal favorite, so I just had to choose it. Yes, "Nemesis" is an amazing look at Clark and Lex's frenemyship and how their relationship has evolved over the first six seasons, and certainly, "Memoria" gives us brilliant insight into Lex's past and gives us a teasing glimpse of Clark's departure from Krypton, but... my heart belongs with "Blank." It's a pretty lighthearted episode, it's highly entertaining, and it really goes to cement Clark and Chloe's friendship as one of the core relationships of the show. I absolutely love it.

Episode 20
S1-Obscura - This is chosen entirely for Chlarky reasons. I freely admit it. That's it! :D None of the others were all that stellar, although "Talisman" and "Noir" were okay, and I love the "Beast" telephone conversation, even if the rest of the episode is rather hit-and-miss.

Episode 21
S5-Oracle - Pretty much for the same reason as everyone else has already said. It was great set-up for "Vessel," it tied up some loose ends from earlier in the season, it amped up the threat level of Brainiac again, it featured a stellar performance by John Schneider, and Clark was at the center of what was going on. I really enjoyed it!

skully

09-20-2011, 04:52 PM

Episode 19: Nemesis - outstanding Clark v Lex episode, that just shades Blank
Episode 20: Fade - easily the best of a dodgy bunch
Episode 21: Prototype - again a standout in a less than stellar line up

Supsfan

09-20-2011, 04:53 PM

Yes, "Nemesis" is an amazing look at Clark and Lex's frenemyship and how their relationship has evolved over the first six seasons

Nemesis to me suffers from the same issue many late season 6 episodes had. Great concept, that gets knocked down a notch due to tie in to Clexana triangle. They basically take Clark/Lex's friendship and make it all about Lana in the end. If Season 6 avoided the whole Clexana triangle, they could have had alot of top notch episodes.

smallvillefreak24

09-21-2011, 07:35 AM

Episode 19 - Blank

Episode 20 - Ageless

Episode 21 - Oracle

HopeforTomorrow

09-21-2011, 01:38 PM

Episode 19: Memoria
Also liked Nemesis and Mercy for the most part. Blank, Crush, and Precipice were OK.

Episode 20: Talisman
Obscura is a very close #2. I also liked Witness and thought that Fade and Noir were just OK.

Episode 21: Accelerate
Forsaken, Forever, and Oracle were OK. In regards to Forsaken, I will always think that the show made a big mistake in permanently removing Pete and it bothers me that there wasn't more Clark/Pete interactions and investigating going on since I thought that there was still a lot of story to tell there. It's one of my biggest knocks against the show and a great shame that Pete and the Clark/Pete friendship was such low priority - although I guess that I should be grateful in some ways that it happened since he would've probably just continued to be an object of ridicule by the later writers unit like he was in Hero. :\

Xanderman

09-21-2011, 07:23 PM

Mercy
9.5/10. Nemesis is an equally great episode but I'm going with Mercy because I think it deserves mention. But this is a very strong group, one of the best there is. All episodes here receive high marks from me (7 and up), all except Quest and Dominion which both just get an "ok" rating of 6 from yours truly.

Beast
8.5/10. Season 8 was one of my favorite seasons, lots of really good eps in it, and this was one of them. Another good choice is Obscura from S1. Nothing else cuts the mustard in this group for me.

Oracle
8.5/10. Just beats out Prototype. Forever is good too, but it's no Oracle/Prototype. The rest of the competition is no competition.

Supsfan

09-21-2011, 07:37 PM

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I think I rather forget the whole Martha-Lionel stuff on this show(honestly 7 episodes after Jonathon dies). Beyond that while it wasn't a big issue for me, anybody who takes issue with the show ripping off movie plots this season should take huge issue with this episode(I don't think the show has done a more blatant movie rip off then Mercy(ie Saw)).

Another good choice is Obscura from S1

While Obscura had some decent b plotlines(mainly the Lex stuff) am I the only person who found the whole a bomb explodes and Lana can see through the eyes of the bad guy rather weak. I am generally forgiving to plot devices to create storylines for an episode but that one is one of the few I find it hard to grasp. I generally like most Season 1 episodes but Obscura one of the few that makes my worst 50(Crush, Shimmer, Reaper and Obscura are all bottom 30-50 range for me)

vyperman7

09-21-2011, 08:02 PM

Episode 19: Crush Between this and "Talisman"

Episode 20: Ageless This beat out "Arctic"

Episode 21 Tempest Barely beat "Forever"

Could you please go back and update your choices? Tempest is not included in the 21's because the final round involves all the finales regardless of episode number.

Xanderman

09-21-2011, 08:32 PM

I think I rather forget the whole Martha-Lionel stuff on this show(honestly 7 episodes after Jonathon dies). I'm pretty sure Jonathan was ok with it....or else why didn't his ghost make any appearances that episode, you know, to haunt Martha (or Lionel). :lol: The only possible reason is because Jonathan smiled upon their union. lol

Beyond that while it wasn't a big issue for me, anybody who takes issue with the show ripping off movie plots this season should take huge issue with this episode(I don't think the show has done a more blatant movie rip off then Mercy(ie Saw)
I'm a fan of the Saw films so I took no issue with it. It elevated the episode for me because I'm a fan. I usually only take issue with ripoffs when I either don't enjoy the ripoff version, or when it's a "true" ripoff--that is, when a movie/show copies something else blatantly but pretends not to. I didn't see this as a true ripoff, as to me it was clearly paying homage to the Saw movies and wasn't pretending to be something original. So I therefore respectfully ask that you start loving Mercy as much as I do Sups.:cool: :lol: (even the Mionel -- nay, especially the Mionel) lol j/k

While Obscura had some decent b plotlines(mainly the Lex stuff) am I the only person who found the whole a bomb explodes and Lana can see through the eyes of the bad guy rather weak. I am generally forgiving to plot devices to create storylines for an episode but that one is one of the few I find it hard to grasp.I didn't mind it, they covered themselves by showing there was some green k in the mix. It's not like the green stuff hasn't performed its share of other convenient miracles no questions asked. What they should have done was an episode where Lex or somebody swapped Clark's regular cereal with a wondrous new brand called "Special Green K", now that woulda been sweet.... :lol:

Supsfan

09-21-2011, 09:02 PM

I didn't mind it, they covered themselves by showing there was some green k in the mix. It's not like the green stuff hasn't performed its share of other convenient miracles no questions asked. What they should have done was an episode where Lex or somebody swapped Clark's regular cereal with a wondrous new brand called "Special Green K", now that woulda been sweet.... :lol:

Usually when the show had Green K mix with something there was some logic behind it. Bug Boy collected insects and they bite him after being in a jar with Greek K, Bee Girl had a thing for Bees, hell even in Craving Amy Adams wanted to be thin all at least made some sense but there is no correlation between a gas explosion and seeing through somebody else's eyes(who amazingly just happens to be the bad guy of the episode). Now if Lana became Gas Girl then I could see the logic, hell even if Lana developed these powers to see through people eyes and it remained through the rest of the series that she sees through random people(preferably meteor freaks) I could live with it, but the whole just for one episode thing felt forced to try come up with a plot for one episode.

Vergon6

09-22-2011, 03:15 AM

Episode 19: Nemesis - I really liked "Stiletto" and "Memoria". "Blank" was pretty good. Even "Dominion" was decent aside from the over-use of 300-esque fighting scenes.
Episode 20: Skinwalker - It introduces what I felt was one of the more interesting, unique aspects of Smallville, the Legend of Naman. They really distorted it later but I really think it encapsulated the journey of Clark and Lex from friends to enemies very well, which itself is something unique to Smallville.
Episode 21: Prototype - Despite it being kind out of the blue that Lois knew Wes Keenan, they still managed to make me care about the connection. Both Lois and Clark struggle with a lot in this episode. It was probably the best in the bunch.

CKWannabe

09-22-2011, 08:37 PM

Episode 19: BLANK

Episode 20: OBSCURA

Episode 21: FOREVER

vyperman7

09-22-2011, 11:23 PM

Results posted. See first page..

THE FINALE ROUND Runs until Tuesday night

S1 - Tempest
S2 - Calling/Exodus
S3 - Covenant
S4 - Commencement
S5 - Vessel
S6 - Phantom
S7 - Arctic
S8- Doomsday
S9 - Salvation
S10 - Finale

My Vote - Covenant - Followed closely by Tempest. Other finales I enjoyed were Commencement, Salvation, and Phantom. I didn't care for Vessel, Arctic, Doomsday, or the Finale. The combo of Calling and Exodus was kind of a mixed bag. I didn't hate them, but I didn't love them either.

costas22

09-22-2011, 11:35 PM

Wow, Blank finally got the better of Nemesis. :eek:

As for my vote: Commencement. Vessel and Phantom were also among my favorites.

skully

09-22-2011, 11:43 PM

Finale: Commencement

Pali

09-22-2011, 11:56 PM

Finale: Covenant - Best episode ever :D:D:D

Supsfan

09-23-2011, 12:04 AM

Tempest

I'll go on the simpler is better reasoning with this pick. Basically a nice simple story, with a good conclusion = best final of the series. To often after this one it just seemed like the series came up with either bad premises, terrible payoffs to the story the final set up or just had way to much going on in a limited amount of time or some combination of the last two when it came to finals/openers. Sadly it seems like Tempest was the only Season Final that really allowed Clark to shine as the "hero" of the episode without any other side plots to drag his character down(ie Clark somehow screwing up in the Season Opener causes all the problems of the next season).

In general though I am not the biggest fan of most season final/opener combos because it just feels like the producers had no idea how to properly conclude a storyline and it drags down both episodes. Of the bunch only Tempest would make my top 50.

Finale: Covenant - Best episode ever http://www.ksitetv.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.ksitetv.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.ksitetv.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

This probably would be my #2 pick, but my main beef with it was Clark being a hero was treated like an afterthought. That being said it wins marks for the simplicity of the story(ie we don't have 101 things going on, the episode feels rather focused on tieing up all storylines with no repercussions) and I don't think when all is said and done Clark comes out of it looking bad. I think I would just have preferred another episode like Tempest where Clark is presented a problem and fixes it being the big final/cliffhanger, but I can settle for something that is a change of pace for his character that doesn't end up terribly for him in the end.

In terms of other episodes

------Top 60-80
3. Commencement - would be rated higher if the payoff for the storylines they set up weren't so bad
4. Finale - first half was a waste of time, second half was entertaining for what it was, positive outcome at the end wins it a couple brownie points
5. Salvation - good conclusion to Season 9 for the most part

------Top 100
6. Artic - a bit rushed but worked for the most part
7. Phantom - like many Season 6 episodes in the second half, would have been great without Clexana drama intertwined, first 20 minutes sucked, last 20 minutes great(ie after Lana blows up)

------Top 100-125
8. Vessel - something just seemed off about Vessel/Zod combo, although not terrible, another one that felt rushed

------Bottom 20
9. Doomsday -first 25-30 minutes was passable, last 12-15 was terrible. Conclusion of terrible second half of S8

------2nd worst episode of the series
10. Exodus - makes Doomsday look like a masterpiece

RaniaLovesClois

09-23-2011, 01:59 AM

Salvation

Xanderman

09-23-2011, 02:39 AM

Calling/Exodus

I actually think Tempest is the best finale episode (better than Exodus), but the C/E combo gets the edge for me because Calling is such a great episode, one of my all-time favorites. Calling must get its due, and it's getting it from me. heh

In terms of ranking the Finale episodes from Best to Worst, here's my take:

Tempest - 10.5/10
Salvation - 10/10
Commencement - 9.5/10
Exodus - 9/10
Vessel - 8.5/10
Phantom/Doomsday - 8/10
Covenant - 7.5/10
Arctic - 7/10
Finale - 4/10

So basically, all the finales were good episodes in my opinion, except for ironically enough the one actually called Finale, which was a total bust of a final episode and a permanent stain on the series.

Usually when the show had Green K mix with something there was some logic behind it. Bug Boy collected insects and they bite him after being in a jar with Greek K, Bee Girl had a thing for Bees, hell even in Craving Amy Adams wanted to be thin all at least made some sense but there is no correlation between a gas explosion and seeing through somebody else's eyes(who amazingly just happens to be the bad guy of the episode). Now if Lana became Gas Girl then I could see the logic, hell even if Lana developed these powers to see through people eyes and it remained through the rest of the series that she sees through random people(preferably meteor freaks) I could live with it, but the whole just for one episode thing felt forced to try come up with a plot for one episode.There was some logic though. He was the first person to come across Lana after the accident. And then she became linked to him. There's also a bit of "God at work" at play here too if one wanted, as if some force in the universe "wanted" this guy to be stopped, and Lana happened to be the person chosen for the job. Alternatively, he's evil, doing evil, and Lana's a good person who wants to help people/do good, so green k linked with these elements and gave Lana what she needed to overcome this evil.

Vergon6

09-23-2011, 02:44 AM

Salvation

LordOnox

09-23-2011, 07:26 AM

Salvation

Supsfan

09-23-2011, 08:30 AM

There was some logic though. He was the first person to come across Lana after the accident. And then she became linked to him. There's also a bit of "God at work" at play here too if one wanted, as if some force in the universe "wanted" this guy to be stopped, and Lana happened to be the person chosen for the job. Alternatively, he's evil, doing evil, and Lana's a good person who wants to help people/do good, so green k linked with these elements and gave Lana what she needed to overcome this evil.

Whitney and the guy who was on Battlestar Galactica were also there though, so why didn't Lana see through their eyes. Why did the power only last till the end of the episode as well(all krypto powers on the show are permanent unless some outside force stops it). As I said I just found the premise rather weak. I think saying he is evil and Lana is good is stretching things a bit and looking for a link that isn't there. The idea they are linked together might make more sense if the cop and Lana were touching eachother while there was a gas explosion. Why did Lana only see his visions when he was doing bad things(like why wouldn't she see him eating a donut for instance)? Also why was Lana standing right by a pipe that was about to blow like a deer caught in headlights.

Also let's say I buy what your saying, why would this evil guy who we never seen on the show before, that Lana magically gets the power to see through his eyes in that episode decide to kidnap Chloe at that exact time, that's a little to convenient(ie. I might be able to buy into Lana getting the powers to see through the guys eyes and he does something bad when she gets his visions, I might buy into the idea that the guy kidnaps Chloe, but put both events together at the same time just stretching the bounds of believability).

In the end unlike other Season 1 episodes they never got enough into the psyche of the bad guy to make the premise of the episode work(all we find out is for some lame reason he thought kidnapping Chloe would get him a job promotion near the end of the episode and his grand scheme was foiled by the gas explosion at the beginning which gave Lana the chance to see what he sees just before he was going to commit the crime)

wellinglover66

09-23-2011, 09:37 AM

Salvation

MrsK

09-23-2011, 09:42 AM

Salvation - followed closely by Commencement

BadToad

09-23-2011, 10:04 AM

Salvation

Covenant would be a close second.

rockyshadow

09-23-2011, 10:33 AM

Salvation

vyperman7

09-23-2011, 02:26 PM

Vergon6

09-23-2011, 04:03 PM

I don't think anyone thought that Clark was really gone die. I just think that the episode overall was done really well (it wasn't perfect) and in the end it showed that Clark's approach had been right with the Kandorians all along, rather than the usual whatever Clark does is wrong and blows up in his face. I won't get into some of the follow-up from "Lazarus" though lol. As for the vision, they have treated that more as a true dream that somewhat resembles the future, but doesn't exactly match it. It gave the episode some focus, and Clark had a new founded determination, even though his sacrifice at the end, if he had stayed dead, would have changed all that. "Homecoming" was similar in that it showed what Clark could have but it was a possible future, dependent on Clark shedding the weight of the past, it was not a forgone conclusion.

But anyone is welcome to disagree. I have liked most of the season finales, but some were weaker for me than others (For example, I disliked "Doomsday" for the most part, and "Arctic" was somewhat good but was missing something). All of us will like or dislike episodes to varying degrees for different reasons and that's okay. "Commencement" was high up for me, probably 2nd or third.

BadToad

09-23-2011, 04:07 PM

I just think that the episode overall was done really well (it wasn't perfect) and in the end it showed that Clark's approach had been right with the Kandorians all along, rather than the usual whatever Clark does is wrong and blows up in his face.

That is exactly what I love most about Salvation. Clark's belief in the Kandorians was right. Over the years, Smallville validated Clark's actions so infrequently, I often wondered what sort of point they were attempting to make. Salvation was an episode that showed Clark was right. His actions were very heroic and self-sacrificing.

Of course, S10 came along and took a big dump on that, but that was Smallville for you.

Vergon6

09-23-2011, 04:16 PM

That is exactly what I love most about Salvation. Clark's belief in the Kandorians was right. Over the years, Smallville validated Clark's actions so infrequently, I often wondered what sort of point they were attempting to make. Salvation was an episode that showed Clark was right. His actions were very heroic and self-sacrificing.

Of course, S10 came along and took a big dump on that, but that was Smallville for you.
Of course, I'm sure the writers/producers would justify it by saying Jor-El really did have faith in son and that he was just testing him with another trial, to get his son to 'prove him wrong' by becoming stronger and therefore able to fight the darkness :p. Of course, it was all completely unnecessary for him to disown his son and all that, but that's what AI Jor-El does to stir-up drama on Smallville. I actually thought Season 10 was okay, but it could have been better handled, but I could probably say that about every season to varying degrees.

Supsfan

09-23-2011, 04:32 PM

Of course, I'm sure the writers/producers would justify it by saying Jor-El really did have faith in son and that he was just testing him with another trial, to get his son to 'prove him wrong' by becoming stronger and therefore able to fight the darkness :p. Of course, it was all completely unnecessary for him to disown his son and all that, but that's what AI Jor-El does to stir-up drama on Smallville. I actually thought Season 10 was okay, but it could have been better handled, but I could probably say that about every season to varying degrees.

As I said many times over the best and worse of threads, this show would have been much better if Jor-El was never introduced. I probably could have lived without the Fortress of Solitude as well(somebody should have given Al/Miles a dictionary to look up the term Solitude)

vyperman7

09-23-2011, 07:50 PM

I probably could have lived without the Fortress of Solitude as well(somebody should have given Al/Miles a dictionary to look up the term Solitude)

Ha Ha.. So true, For how many people came in and out there it wasn't exactly a place where Clark could have his alone time. I think they could have done more with the FOS in S5. They introduced it and made it seem like it was going to be used a lot with the "welcome home my son" and shots of Clark in the knowledge forcefield. But then it pretty much went by the wayside for the most part. I agree that they did not do a good job with Jor-El if only for the fact that they light-switched him in the series finale "The people in Smallville and your time with John and Martha Kent made you the hero you are Kal-El" Since when??!! All Jor-El said for the whole show was how the people in Smallville were holding Clark back. I also think they should have made Jor-El more of a productive positive force in Clark's life.

Supsfan

09-23-2011, 11:38 PM

Ha Ha.. So true, For how many people came in and out there it wasn't exactly a place where Clark could have his alone time. I think they could have done more with the FOS in S5. They introduced it and made it seem like it was going to be used a lot with the "welcome home my son" and shots of Clark in the knowledge forcefield. But then it pretty much went by the wayside for the most part. I agree that they did not do a good job with Jor-El if only for the fact that they light-switched him in the series finale "The people in Smallville and your time with John and Martha Kent made you the hero you are Kal-El" Since when??!! All Jor-El said for the whole show was how the people in Smallville were holding Clark back. I also think they should have made Jor-El more of a productive positive force in Clark's life.

I always thought if the show wanted a "big moment" for it's 100th episode they could have built up a storyline Clark had to find the FOS in S5. It's not like they would have to of made it so every episode focuses on it, just have like 2-3 episodes touch it during the season and in episode 100 Clark finally finds it(at the end of the episode) and we get a big 10 minute scene to end the episode of Clark in Solitude

Pali

09-24-2011, 01:34 AM

I guess people liked Salvation a lot more than me. It was good. I would probably rank it fourth after Covenant, Tempest, and Commencement. But I don't think it deserves such high praise either. I think the Clois reveal made Lois look bad because she didn't know Clark was the Blur until after she kissed him. She made out with somebody other than Clark. The fact that the Blur turned out to be Clark was a happy accident. Also, even though it was heroic of Clark to sacrifice himself ( a true Superman-esque moment), I couldn't help but think "Another Clark cliffhanger". Near death cliffhangers have always been lame IMO because you can't get kill off the show's main star. There is no suspense. Finally, if they were basing the opening on Clark having a premonition, they gave away in the first five minutes that everything would be OK. I think if they had saved the opening for the end in a montage as Clark was falling, it would have been better. Or even better, they could have showed two separate visions. One of the future with Superman, and one without.

I think I agree. I love Salvation, but I like good cliffhanger and although Clark falling down from the building was awesome moment, it was sure thing he survives........that´s why I find Chloe´s fate in Covenant much more cliffhanger-y. If Clark pulled blue kryptonite dagger out of his chest in the air and flew in season 9 finale, that would be shock, but start of season 10, although beautiful was hardly shocking.
Another reason why Salvation is not my pick is bit superficial and it is result of low budget at the time. I think special effects could be better, especially with Kandorians marking world dominants....... Also If they came with havoc to metropolis it would be more impressive IMO, I had little hope there will be group fight...... too bad we did not see justice league fighting them.........but I know budget did not allow it. In that regard, I like Vessel and how it made things bigger. In Salvation they basicly marked all big world buildings and everyone was like - meh, ok.
But still, I like Salvation, but it seemed bit smaller compared to another finales.........if you know what i mean and I like my finale big and shocking..............

Xanderman

09-24-2011, 08:54 AM

Whitney and the guy who was on Battlestar Galactica were also there though, so why didn't Lana see through their eyes. He was the first to come near to her, and she became linked to him and him alone as a result, end of power. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Why did the power only last till the end of the episode as well(all krypto powers on the show are permanent unless some outside force stops it). The person she became linked with died. The power only linked her and him, and when he died, that was the end of it. And it served its purpose -- to stop him. Almost as if part of him wanted to be stopped, thus enabling the connection between he and Lana. There's all sorts of logic here, Sups. It would be illogical to deny that.... :lol:

Why did Lana only see his visions when he was doing bad things(like why wouldn't she see him eating a donut for instance)?Well one could say because when he's on the prowl he's in a heightened/excited state, and this energy triggers the link. I prefer to see it though more as connected to the power being an actual power connected to a purpose. And that being, for Lana to stop this not-so-good guy who would do harm to people she cares about.

Also why was Lana standing right by a pipe that was about to blow like a deer caught in headlights.Because God (ie. Jor-El) wanted her to Sups, that's why. lol I thought you more than anyone would know by now that Papa El is the cause of, and solution to, all of Smallville's problems.:cool: :lol: j/k But seriously Lana did make a run for it, but at the last second she decided to move in slow-motion for some inexplicable reason, for dramatic effect I'm guessing? Almost as if she somehow knew that "we" were watching, Sups.....scary huh.....lol j/k

Supsfan

09-24-2011, 09:35 AM

He was the first to come near to her

I rewatched the clip and the other 2 guys were like a whole tenth of a second after him. Like I said there is better ways to have linked them together like have him run and protect her, then the gas fire blows while he is covering her. I just think there is a more logical believability to an insect biting a guy and him ending up bugboy, then a gas explosion making you have the ability to see through somebody elses eyes given the show's history and use of green K to turn people into Meteor freaks(while cheesy there always was some logical connection to how the FOTW got their powers).

The person she became linked with died. The power only linked her and him, and when he died, that was the end of it. And it served its purpose -- to stop him. Almost as if part of him wanted to be stopped, thus enabling the connection between he and Lana. There's all sorts of logic here, Sups. It would be illogical to deny that....

Fair enough, I guess that kills one of my 4 peeves about the episode but I still think the episode was stretching things to create a premise. I noticed you totally avoided my point about the likelyhood of Lana getting these powers the second he decides to kidnap Chloe, which to me just seemed a wee bit convenient(even for Smallville standards). I think in general when you try tie 2 completely different stories together many times it doesn't mesh well, they probably would have been better served to ditch the Chloe gets kidnapped and found a random victim(my guess is because Lana got this power she couldn't have gotten kidnapped so they figure Chloe the next best thing. lol), I think that would have came off more believable.

I also believe the episode sorely lacked that scene that most Season 1 episodes have(that usually happen before the credits) of us first meeting the episodes bad guy and getting a little incite into his psyche. The logic they came up later for him kidnapping Chloe just felt rather forced. I understand they were trying to create a "mystery" type scenario, but it just fell flat on it's face when we have no clue what exactly motivated the guy to do what he did. The premise would work much better if we had a 2-3 minute scene for the cop before the credits(which gave the cop motivation to kidnap somebody), then the explosion right after the credits. I also think the premise would have worked better if there was a victim already kidnapped before the explosion.

I don't hate the episode, but I do find it the weakest premises in the entire first season.

SGuthrie27

09-24-2011, 10:08 AM

My vote:

COMMENCEMENT. There's no question in my mind about this one -- nothing comes CLOSE to this episode in terms of being the best finale, IMO. Not that I don't like the other finales -- in actuality, I'm a really huge fan of all the finales with the exception of maybe two of them, and even those have their redeeming moments.

Xanderman

09-24-2011, 10:27 AM

I rewatched the clip and the other 2 guys were like a whole tenth of a second after him. Like I said there is better ways to have linked them together like have him run and protect her, then the gas fire blows while he is covering her. I just think there is a more logical believability to an insect biting a guy and him ending up bugboy, then a gas explosion making you have the ability to see through somebody elses eyes given the show's history and use of green K to turn people into Meteor freaks(while cheesy there always was some logical connection to how the FOTW got their powers).Doesn't matter how long they came afterward, he came first. That's enough to settle that I think. Anything more is serious nitpicking, imo. There's a logic here, whether you accept it or not is your choice. I accepted it and enjoyed the episode.

I noticed you totally avoided my point about the likelyhood of Lana getting these powers the second he decides to kidnap Chloe, which to me just seemed a wee bit convenient(even for Smallville standards). I think in general when you try tie 2 completely different stories together many times it doesn't mesh well, they probably would have been better served to ditch the Chloe gets kidnapped and found a random victim(my guess is because Lana got this power she couldn't have gotten kidnapped so they figure Chloe the next best thing. lol), I think that would have came off more believable. I didn't avoid it, just didn't see a need to address it. These types of conveniences happen all the time, I see no reason to focus on this one like it's truly special or extraordinary for these types of shows. Anyway, you didn't like the episode, I did, let's just leave it at that.:cool:

Supsfan

09-24-2011, 12:09 PM

Doesn't matter how long they came afterward, he came first. That's enough to settle that I think. Anything more is serious nitpicking, imo. There's a logic here, whether you accept it or not is your choice.

I think the main problem is the episode was going full out to try create a "mystery" that Lana getting her powers just came off bad/poorly thought out. They could have easily had him reach out and grab her to help her up then you could say well he was the first to touch her and that's when they got the connection(especially if they did there famous green K starts to glow trick). As for logic in Lana being able to see through his eyes what property of gas would allow that? It would be more believable if gas and green k gave her magical farting powers.

These types of conveniences happen all the time, I see no reason to focus on this one like it's truly special or extraordinary for these types of shows.

As I said I understand that little conveniences need to happen to make an episode work, but in the case of Obscura I just think things were a bit too convenient as if trying to create a mystery was more important then telling an actual story and in order to make the episode work as a mystery the plot lacked in other areas. I understanding having 1 or 2 small conviences to make an episode work but when the entire episodes relies to heavily on it, it's generally not a good thing.

HopeforTomorrow

09-25-2011, 07:20 AM

Season Finale: Tempest
I think that this was the best all-around done finale, but maybe that's because it had the advantage of things still being fresh and devoid of so much negative weight accumulation like I found in the later years of the show. I also give it bonus points for how well Vortex turned out to follow it up. There was plenty of room to breath and the interactions were very well done.

I'm leaning towards Calling/Exodus being my #2 - not because they were jam-packed full of excitement or big "shocking" moments or anything - but because they were just telling the story and not rushing everything up to the end. I also liked the way that it left things a bit unpredictable with what Clark was going to do following his first major fallout after finding out more about his origins and how the things that were attached to his newly found heritage could be very damaging to those that he deeply cares about. I liked the follow-up in Exile continuing into Phoenix a lot also because it showed the people that Clark had run away from deeply concerned about him and trying to find any way to bring him back after he thought they'd never look at him the same way again. I don't think Exodus on its own is the strongest finale, but it has an advantage of being paired with Calling with that whole story spilling over into the beginning of Season 3.

Covenant was a very good finale also and maybe a virtual tie with my #2, but I didn't care a whole lot for the leap-frog that happened in the follow-up without much explanation. It felt that the show had taken its first big jump from Point A to Point D when it was "refreshing" itself. I'd say that Covenant on its own is better than Exodus on its own.

Commencement was very entertaining and probably the "biggest" finale of them all with some big moments, but I think the story that it led into was a big letdown. This was when I thought that the show was really going to catapult Clark closer (but still a ways to go) to being "that guy", but instead he gets hit with big-time regression and his story and the more important things attached to his heritage aren't given the time and are treated almost like afterthoughts, which I think started to become an issue with the whole Stones arc.

After that I'd say:

Phantom
Arctic
Vessel
Salvation
Doomsday
Finale

I guess people liked Salvation a lot more than me. It was good. I would probably rank it fourth after Covenant, Tempest, and Commencement. But I don't think it deserves such high praise either. I think the Clois reveal made Lois look bad because she didn't know Clark was the Blur until after she kissed him. She made out with somebody other than Clark. The fact that the Blur turned out to be Clark was a happy accident. Also, even though it was heroic of Clark to sacrifice himself ( a true Superman-esque moment), I couldn't help but think "Another Clark cliffhanger". Near death cliffhangers have always been lame IMO because you can't get kill off the show's main star. There is no suspense. Finally, if they were basing the opening on Clark having a premonition, they gave away in the first five minutes that everything would be OK. I think if they had saved the opening for the end in a montage as Clark was falling, it would have been better. Or even better, they could have showed two separate visions. One of the future with Superman, and one without.

Those are some good points. I always thought that Salvation was just OK. Maybe I don't think of it that highly because I wasn't a fan with the direction the show decided to go with in the first place, but it was nice seeing that Clark was shown to be right - which seemed to be an extreme rarity in the last half of the series. Not that it really mattered all that much with the way that Lazarus and S10 set Clark back again. And by this point, it seemed like Clark was saying "it's my destiny" way too often.

If Clark pulled blue kryptonite dagger out of his chest in the air and flew in season 9 finale, that would be shock, but start of season 10, although beautiful was hardly shocking.

The cliffhanger in Salvation had me thinking that Clark was going to pull out and toss the dagger while still in the air, and then he regains his strength back just in time to will himself to stop mid-air just a few feet before hitting the ground. How very anti-climatic it turned out to be... :\

Sidenote: I agree with the FoS discussion, and I like Obscura.

Supsfan

09-25-2011, 09:36 AM

I'm leaning towards Calling/Exodus being my #2 - not because they were jam-packed full of excitement or big "shocking" moments or anything - but because they were just telling the story and not rushing everything up to the end.

While I understand that many season closers/openers were guilty of cramming as much as humanly possible into 42 minutes(I found Arrival the start of this bad trend and it went all the way up to Odyssey), I find that reasoning rather weak. I hate Promise and the whole Clexana triangle fiasco in general, but I can safely say that "they were telling and story and not rushing everything" to describe both the episode and the season long arc. As for the 2 episodes in question I would argue it was the first time the show went for "Shock" value to try create drama

I also liked the way that it left things a bit unpredictable with what Clark was going to do following his first major fallout after finding out more about his origins and how the things that were attached to his newly found heritage could be very damaging to those that he deeply cares about.

I didn't care for the character assignation of Clark(and to a lesser extent Lex) all for the sake of trying to force drama personally. When I point out above how I think the show would have been better if Jor-El never appeared, it's this set of episodes specifically(even more so then Reckoning) that come to mind how the producers completely butchered the character. It's sort of a shame because I thought Clark's origins storyline was well done right up until the producers went for the lowest common denominator of trying to create "drama" at the very last scene of Rosetta.

Xanderman

09-25-2011, 05:16 PM

I think the main problem is the episode was going full out to try create a "mystery" that Lana getting her powers just came off bad/poorly thought out. They could have easily had him reach out and grab her to help her up then you could say well he was the first to touch her and that's when they got the connection(especially if they did there famous green K starts to glow trick). As for logic in Lana being able to see through his eyes what property of gas would allow that? It would be more believable if gas and green k gave her magical farting powers.I don't really care how the power ended up happening, it was temporary and for one episode only. The logic behind it isn't so important given the silliness of kryptonite based powers in general, so it didn't stand out to me. I had fun with it. I'm a fan of Dead Zone type powers. And this wasn't the only element of the episode, the ep had other things to like about it. Anyway, to each his own.

As I said I understand that little conveniences need to happen to make an episode work, but in the case of Obscura I just think things were a bit too convenient as if trying to create a mystery was more important then telling an actual story and in order to make the episode work as a mystery the plot lacked in other areas. I understanding having 1 or 2 small conviences to make an episode work but when the entire episodes relies to heavily on it, it's generally not a good thing.I never got that feeling from the episode (or at least, not any more so than any other episode). It clearly rubbed you the wrong way, in ways it didn't for me.

CKWannabe

09-26-2011, 09:33 PM

COMMENCEMENT

Commencement has always been a signature episode in SV storyline for me. It marked the end of the high school era..no more torch, no more football, and some might say no more light-hearted Clark! It also shifted the focus from the caves to the fortress, and largely from Smallville itself, as a town, to Metropolis. All that being said...it was a real good episode! Also love Covenant and Tempest behind this one. So sad this is the end of Episode Wars :(

vyperman7

09-28-2011, 01:50 AM

Well folks. It looks like the last ever round of Episode Wars has come to a close. While I wish that we could have gotten more people to participate, I had fun this time around. A few surprises in terms of the winners. Hopefully we can keep this thread up for discussion purposes. Final results are posted on the first page.

skully

09-28-2011, 03:51 AM

Thanks for your efforts over the years, Ryan. It's been great fun. :)

I'm gonna miss the annual vote-off. :(

And only Transference and Rogue won their slots every year.

vyperman7

09-28-2011, 04:14 AM

What I find to be funny about Rogue winning every year is that it is still an episode that many fans of the show don't even think about. The results would make Rogue seem like it isn't underrated. But I still feel it is extremely underrated because when people mention their favorite episodes Rogue is never brought up. Rogue is just such a well rounded episode. On my top five list of favorite eps overall.

skully

09-28-2011, 05:06 AM

Supsfan

09-28-2011, 09:14 AM

It had everything. Superpowers and heroics from Clark mixed in with teenage angst and anger, evil villainy from Sam Phelan, blackmail and skullduggery, a Lex love interest in Victoria, wise counsel from Jonathan and Lex, some juicy Chloe v Lana angst after Kwan ripped the Torch away from Chloe, teasing about Lex being onto Clark's secret (the Blur still-shot at the end), and Phelan taking Clark's secret with him to his death ("Go to hell, Luthor." :D)

I don't see how there was teenage angst on the part of Clark and I am guessing most people who picked Rogue didn't factor the Chloe/Lana stuff into their choice(generally I rate an episode on the basis of the a-plot and unless the b-plot is either great or terrible it factors little into my opinion, in general I can't tell you what exactly happened in the b and c plots of most episodes(that's why in general something as bad as Lana/Jason stuff from S4 makes little difference to me when I compare it to the ok but nothing great stuff like say Lana runs the Talon in S1 in terms of me rating an episode).

In general I pick Rogue because I liked the change of pace for the a-plot and nothing else. It's nice to see Clark be put into bad situations and see him do something about it that ends in a positive result.

skully

09-28-2011, 04:26 PM

Clark was very angsty about Phelan's blackmail attempt. SO much so that he wanted to kill him, but smashed a wooden column instead. :)

Supsfan

09-28-2011, 04:49 PM

Clark was very angsty about Phelan's blackmail attempt. SO much so that he wanted to kill him, but smashed a wooden column instead. :)

"teenage angst"(what you originally referred it to) and "angst" are 2 different terms. In general teenage angst is associated with teenage relationship "drama"(see Clana for the bulk of the series after Season 2) where 90% of the drama is created out of the stupidity of the teenager(s) involved as opposed to real world issues/problems. I can live with a little angst on the show, but "teenage angst" generally dragged down the character of Clark to often.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teen angst
(http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teen%20angst)
(I personally like definition 5. lol)

Even going by your explanation though I really don't see how 1 scene that shows a little angst makes the episode angsty

Ryan James

09-29-2011, 08:27 AM

I missed the last round, but if it is not too late,

COMMENCEMENT is my vote for best finale.

CKWannabe

09-29-2011, 10:16 AM

Thanks Ryan for doing this one final time. I've been here (i think) for all but one season and I've loved it each. So interesting how certain episodes that were once landslide winners aren't given much thought any more. This was fun! Thanks again! :)