Queen of the Ultimatum

[auxvis]

Lana is such a manipulator or coniver.....All she does, just as she just did with her "if you ever cared for me, is try to do what is convient at her for the time...

I cannot even stand to see her on screen anymore...

[TrevorH]

THEN IT BEGINS! ENJOY THE SHOW

[Hurricain]

Yeah, I can't stand Lana.

[soundgirl]

tell me about it...pretty much everything that comes out of her mouth is self pityful..seriously girl build a bridge and get over it, or build it and jump off, either way MOVE ON

[Xsmallville_obsessedX]

Usually I would be taking up for Lana 100%, but right now she is acting like a total biotch..... I'm ashamed of my avatar.:( lol

[auxvis]

yeah I normally try to take up for her, too....

the way she is acting now makes me hope she falls victim to Zod, and that's the first time I've ever hoped she wasn't around...

she needs a major attitude readjustment

[sstray72]

She is so self-rightous. If they never ret-conned Lana's character in ep 100, then Clark had some REAL reasons for not telling her his secret. Lana's anger for her parents death, her anger regarding meteor freaks stalking/attempting to murder her, and her fear/hate of aliens were the why he didn't tell her before. But after 'retconning' it became his fear for her safety because now she doesn't have any of those fears/hatreds anymore... :rolleyes: which is utter BS...

[Rosey]

Originally posted by Xsmallville_obsessedX
Usually I would be taking up for Lana 100%, but right now she is acting like a total biotch..... I'm ashamed of my avatar.:( lol Get rid of it!! :lol:

[kismet]

i just hope the writers have a reason for writing her character so badly... i don't think anyone can empathize with her at this point....

[j-kent]

i'm feeling sorry for Lana's write-up in character development. They gotta do some justice for her now...hopefully she'll get another chance, flip a 180, maybe get bopped on the head, and become the good friend from the past that Clark cherishes. Either way she's gotta owe Clark an apology in the end cuz she is damn selfish in this portrayal. Me Me Me Lana says.

In the modern version by Byrne (which should be the one SV coheres to if anything), Clark reveals his secret to Lana, but explains that he does not have romantic attachment to her and must leave Smallville to basically become Superman. The point is, Lana fully understands Clark and vows to protect his secret especially when Superman evolves. Now THAT is the loyal Lana we need. One to just understand and not think so selfishly.

side fact! Did you know that Lana later got over Clark, and married Pete! However, Pete's character wasn't necessarily portrayed like we had back in the early SV seasons.

[voytek]

Originally posted by auxvis
Lana is such a manipulator or coniver.....All she does, just as she just did with her "if you ever cared for me, is try to do what is convient at her for the time...

I cannot even stand to see her on screen anymore...

I disagree. How many of you would stand there and let a person lie to your face repeatedly? Not me. And he's a bad liar. It's insulting. Then he has the nerve to ask her to share information that he needs. Lana has every right to be a b**** to him. He has treated her horribly. How many times now has she begged him to be honest? Too many. He just keeps right on lying. Lex won her love by doing the one thing Clark refused to do....confide in her and be honest. But I guess that's Lana's fault too.:rolleyes:

The Lana hate on this board never ceases to amaze me. When she swallows his lies, she is called weak. When she stands up for herself and shows some backbone....she's called a b****. There is plenty of blame to go around but most of you want to dump it on Lana. I suspect the dislike for the character causes many to be bias.

[Darren5000]

Originally posted by Xsmallville_obsessedX
Usually I would be taking up for Lana 100%, but right now she is acting like a total biotch..... I'm ashamed of my avatar.:( lol

Please don't be embarrassed, it's the stupid writers, and plus they seem to be following some sort of canon as we all know Clark ends up with Lois and they're trying to explain the how. But I think this version of the how is making Lana look like she hates superheroes! DIdn't Superman the animated show have him and Lana getting together, and Lana seemed open around Superman, though Lana in the cartoon was in fact dating Lex Luthor. I was very shocked to see that, I swore, I was seeing the WWE come to life tonight. Only thing missing was Lana doing a Vince McMahon type walk and doing finger gestures, and Clark turning into Stone Cold Steve Austin!:rotfl:


Originally posted by auxvis
yeah I normally try to take up for her, too....

the way she is acting now makes me hope she falls victim to Zod, and that's the first time I've ever hoped she wasn't around...

she needs a major attitude readjustment

Maybe Zod/Luthor might give her a swift kick in the behind, Lana screams as she falls down, but lo and behold, Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman saves her! Well, I still go for the swift kick in the behind to snap Lana out of this. INteresting that General Zod can fall for an Earth girl like that!

[paolinki25]

I think this is the beginning of darker Lana. I always knew she wasn't little miss perfect. lol

[voytek]

Originally posted by paolinki25
I think this is the beginning of darker Lana. I always knew she wasn't little miss perfect. lol

And if it is, who drove her to it? Hint: It rhymes with bark.

[DarkseidNow]

Originally posted by voytek
I disagree. How many of you would stand there and let a person lie to your face repeatedly? Not me. And he's a bad liar. It's insulting. Then he has the nerve to ask her to share information that he needs. Lana has every right to be a b**** to him. He has treated her horribly. How many times now has she begged him to be honest? Too many. He just keeps right on lying. Lex won her love by doing the one thing Clark refused to do....confide in her and be honest. But I guess that's Lana's fault too.:rolleyes:

The Lana hate on this board never ceases to amaze me. When she swallows his lies, she is called weak. When she stands up for herself and shows some backbone....she's called a b****. There is plenty of blame to go around but most of you want to dump it on Lana. I suspect the dislike for the character causes many to be bias.

Hey voytek,

On one hand I agree with you in terms of how BOTH Clark and Lana are being portrayed. With Clark, yes, he has lied to her repeatedly. And Clark is a horrible liar. She does have a right to be pissed at him.

But at the same time, Lana's character is so horribly written, its hard to empathize with her at all. To want to talk about her and Lex's relationship while the whole world is going to hell?? Not even calling her best friend Chloe to see if she is ok? Come on.

Then, when she overheard Clark and Chloe, she never even thought to ask Clark why he would want to kill Lex. No matter how much Clark has lied for her, she knows that he has tried to save both her and Lex's lives repeatedly.

I think many of the hardcore Superman fans are let down because they have seen in other mediums what the character can be compared to what Smallville has done to ruin Lana Lang's legacy.

And you have to admit, saying "I don't know how I could ever love you," is a rather rancid thing to say to anyone!

[umm]

Originally posted by DarkseidNow
Hey voytek,

On one hand I agree with you in terms of how BOTH Clark and Lana are being portrayed. With Clark, yes, he has lied to her repeatedly. And Clark is a horrible liar. She does have a right to be pissed at him.

But at the same time, Lana's character is so horribly written, its hard to empathize with her at all. To want to talk about her and Lex's relationship while the whole world is going to hell?? Not even calling her best friend Chloe to see if she is ok? Come on.

Then, when she overheard Clark and Chloe, she never even thought to ask Clark why he would want to kill Lex. No matter how much Clark has lied for her, she knows that he has tried to save both her and Lex's lives repeatedly.

I think many of the hardcore Superman fans are let down because they have seen in other mediums what the character can be compared to what Smallville has done to ruin Lana Lang's legacy.

And you have to admit, saying "I don't know how I could ever love you," is a rather rancid thing to say to anyone!


Did you guys even try to grasp the thought, that the writers of Smallville wanted to write Lana this way! To make her, as supposing to other Superman medias, a baddie, a character whom nobody likes and who crosses the line of good into the side of evil , and that all of five years was leading up to this? :confused:

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

How many times has Clark saved Lana, that she knows ?
Dozens, not including all the times she doesn't know.

Personally, if someone keeps saving my buttocks on a semi-regular basis I would be inclined to let them lie to me as much as they want, I think the not only deserve the "benefit of the doubt", they also deserve my whole hearted support.

But then again I am shallow and self-centred, Lana is complex...

Right...

[bluegayle]

Originally posted by DarkseidNow
And you have to admit, saying "I don't know how I could ever love you," is a rather rancid thing to say to anyone!

Well, we know Clark may not mean it when he said "I dont love you anymore Lana" but as far as we know, Lana meant everything about "I don't know how I could ever have loved you".

Ironic since just a few months ago, Lana said "I've always loved you". Guess things change, depending if Clark is dying or saving the world without telling her.

[CallMeClark]

I like bad Lana. ;)

[Rayje]

Originally posted by j-kent
side fact! Did you know that Lana later got over Clark, and married Pete! However, Pete's character wasn't necessarily portrayed like we had back in the early SV seasons.

Unfortunately, (and one of the reasons I don't like Lana in any incantation) Lana never did get over Clark. She later left Pete and filed for divorce. At one point she showed up at Clark and Lois's apartment to take care of Clark after he had been hurt, badly, by Kryptonite. (Lois was out of the country and out of communication.) She then proceeded to get into an arguement with Clark, proclaiming her love for him and insisting that he and Lois "weren't ment for each other."

[fifi1277]

Originally posted by voytek

The Lana hate on this board never ceases to amaze me. When she swallows his lies, she is called weak. When she stands up for herself and shows some backbone....she's called a b****. There is plenty of blame to go around but most of you want to dump it on Lana. I suspect the dislike for the character causes many to be bias.

How many of us started as a nature born Lana hater? Not many, as far as I know. But why do you think there are so many people dislike her now? It’s just not fair to use the word "biased”"to explain all the hatreds toward that character. I liked her at the beginning of the show, but then she becomes more and more annoying until one day I can’t stand her anymore. To me, it’s a long journey, not a light switch or anything.

[bluegayle]

I liked Lana in seasons 1-3.5. She wasn't part of the trio actually doing anything in the show, but she was a good character nonetheless.

Around the mid of Season 3, I just didn't like her as much anymore, and then especially in Season 4...she changed quite a bit with another boyfriend by her side. In Season 5, she is very hard for me to like, considering I didn't think she was that strong in Season 4.

So, my current opinion of her character (not KK the actress) is from my interpretation of events as written by the TV show writers. Similar to how many people think this Clark surely cannot be the Superman who stands for truth, justice, and other things like that, due to how he responds to things in his life.

[auxvis]

Yes, Clark lies to Lana...We all know why but she doesn't so it just seems like he is lying straight up...But even so let's analyze all of the reasons that Lana has no right to treat Clark this way...

Whenever she is in trouble (not even physically) who is always the one person that always listens to her complain? Who is the one person that was consistantly there to hear all of her nagging and problems? Clark

Someone referenced him saving her life several times. She knows about many of these. Yet, Lex saves her life twice...And once she realized that he was only doing it for his own selfish gain...Of course she promptly forgot about that...(I am referring to him trying to get the stone in exchange for protecting her from her murder charges and getting her out of Smallville during the meteor shower)...The other time he was saving himself as much as he was saving her. Clark has saved her several times and she seems to have no gratitude for that whatsoever....

And finally, let's not forget the fact that Clark isn't the only one that lies in this relationship...Lana lies to Clark just as much as he lies to her...And for what reason? To protect her own selfish desires...At least Clark lies to protect himself, his family, and those he cares about (including Lana herself)

[voytek]

Originally posted by DarkseidNow
Hey voytek,

On one hand I agree with you in terms of how BOTH Clark and Lana are being portrayed. With Clark, yes, he has lied to her repeatedly. And Clark is a horrible liar. She does have a right to be pissed at him.

But at the same time, Lana's character is so horribly written, its hard to empathize with her at all. To want to talk about her and Lex's relationship while the whole world is going to hell?? Not even calling her best friend Chloe to see if she is ok? Come on.

Then, when she overheard Clark and Chloe, she never even thought to ask Clark why he would want to kill Lex. No matter how much Clark has lied for her, she knows that he has tried to save both her and Lex's lives repeatedly.

I think many of the hardcore Superman fans are let down because they have seen in other mediums what the character can be compared to what Smallville has done to ruin Lana Lang's legacy.

And you have to admit, saying "I don't know how I could ever love you," is a rather rancid thing to say to anyone!

Thanx for the reply. But lots of what you say goes both ways. I didn't see Chloe calling Lana to see if she was okay. I know she was busy trying to help Clark but that's only because she knew what was going on and how is that? Clark told her. Lana asked Clark to tell her what's happening with Lex and he totally dodged it. But he expected her to tell him what she knows. And of course she didn't want to tell him because she just heard him tell Chloe he has to kill Lex. She also brought that up to him and he didn't bother to explain what he meant. Clark doesn't trust Lana but after all that...why would she trust him? Finally, saying "I don't see how I could have ever loved you" is no more rancid than Clark telling her "I don't love you." The latter is worse. He pretty much spit on everything they had because he had to "let her go." They are both in pain, but Clark earned his. I felt like giving a standing ovation when Lex told him off. It was all true, hence the reason Clark had no response!


Originally posted by auxvis
Yes, Clark lies to Lana...We all know why but she doesn't so it just seems like he is lying straight up...But even so let's analyze all of the reasons that Lana has no right to treat Clark this way...

Whenever she is in trouble (not even physically) who is always the one person that always listens to her complain? Who is the one person that was consistantly there to hear all of her nagging and problems? Clark

Someone referenced him saving her life several times. She knows about many of these. Yet, Lex saves her life twice...And once she realized that he was only doing it for his own selfish gain...Of course she promptly forgot about that...(I am referring to him trying to get the stone in exchange for protecting her from her murder charges and getting her out of Smallville during the meteor shower)...The other time he was saving himself as much as he was saving her. Clark has saved her several times and she seems to have no gratitude for that whatsoever....

And finally, let's not forget the fact that Clark isn't the only one that lies in this relationship...Lana lies to Clark just as much as he lies to her...And for what reason? To protect her own selfish desires...At least Clark lies to protect himself, his family, and those he cares about (including Lana herself)

Chloe and Martha told Clark this is the way Lana would react. She is angry and hurt. He was dileberately cruel to her to make her leave break up with him. This has nothing to do with the lies Lana told. I say that for two reasons: 1. Her lies were omissions vs. Clarks that were not only while looking her in the eye, but totally weak. 2. She did volunteer info to him about the ship and most of what she found out. His saving her is irrelevant. He has saved every character multiple times. He is the hero afterall and it should not factor into her forgiveness. "You saved me countless times so I guess I should overlook your mountain of lies." Clark's actions are explained away with rationalization and excuses. But people want to call Lana out for having an attitude.

And I stand by what I said earlier. The total dislike for the character is rooted in most of the criticism. I am not saying it's wrong. We all like or dislike who we want. Lois and Lana are both skilled in self-defense but no one bats an eye when Lois kicks booty. But when Lana does it....people criticize. Before this people called her weak for letting Clark get away with so much and now she is being called a b**** for finally standing up for herself. The character can't win.:\ ;)


Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
How many times has Clark saved Lana, that she knows ?
Dozens, not including all the times she doesn't know.

Personally, if someone keeps saving my buttocks on a semi-regular basis I would be inclined to let them lie to me as much as they want, I think the not only deserve the "benefit of the doubt", they also deserve my whole hearted support.

But then again I am shallow and self-centred, Lana is complex...

Right...

Hmmm. Lionel saved Martha a few times. Was Clark okay with his lies? Nope. You are a rare breed, because I don't know many people who would be okay with someone lying to their face over and over. How would you ever know what to believe? You wouldn't and therefore have to question everything they said to you.

[auxvis]

Now wait a second...I actually was a huge Lana fan up until recently...So it isn't my dislike that changed my mind...It is her character that has caused me to dislike her...I really should say lack of character.

What gives Lana the right to obsess over Clark's secret in ways that not even Chloe ever did? What gives her the right to consistantly nag Clark about it?

Is she hurt and angered? Sure...it is understandable...However, to completely sell him out to the degree that it endangers his own life and then to give him all of these ultimatums is just wrong...

She tried to manipulate him by saying "if you ever loved me..." She knows he loved her...She tried to use that against him...

I never criticize Lana for fighting back, either...I think she is completely justified in that....And there is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself...She has gone way beyond that...Her ego and "all about me" mentality is what has caused people to dislike her and fans of hers, like myself, to turn against her...

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

[Q



Hmmm. Lionel saved Martha a few times. Was Clark okay with his lies? Nope. You are a rare breed, because I don't know many people who would be okay with someone lying to their face over and over. How would you ever know what to believe? You wouldn't and therefore have to question everything they said to you. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, I am a rare breed, medium-rare to be exact.
And I am not saying she should be "ok" with his lies, but certainly give him the benefit of the doubt, Martha did to Lionel, Chloe always did to Clark.

Lana is just obsessive, always looking at a way to sabotage any relationship she is in, in that, she has a something in common with her Character in the comics.

[manofsteele05]

Yeah I cant wait for the CLARK and LEX fight scene where she is gonna put herself right smack dead in the middle and get killed.. LANA needs to get over the "how could I have ever loved you"

[Bombing4-3]

I hate to break out my Yoda impersonation, but it's true and it applies well to this situation.

Continued pain (lies) -> Frustration
Continued frustration -> Anger
Continued Anger -> Bitterness -> Rage -> and increasingly stronger emotions

Every lie Clark tells her pushes her further down the line. Each time she puts distance, he closes the gap, reels her back in, and treats her the same. As outraged and mad at Clark as we are for the "I'll tell her. No I won't. I'm going to be with her. No, I can't" , how do you think she must feel? You can ignore all of the saving and other stuff because this problem needs to be addressed on its own.

Having said that, yes, Lana's gone waaaaay off the deep end and is not very likable at all right now. She's on her way to total meltdown, but she didn't get there on her own. She's been pulled in so many different directions by so many different men. What she said to Clark is still absolutely horrible, but she's not without hope for redemption.

[voytek]

Originally posted by Bombing4-3
I hate to break out my Yoda impersonation, but it's true and it applies well to this situation.

Continued pain (lies) -> Frustration
Continued frustration -> Anger
Continued Anger -> Bitterness -> Rage -> and increasingly stronger emotions

Every lie Clark tells her pushes her further down the line. Each time she puts distance, he closes the gap, reels her back in, and treats her the same. As outraged and mad at Clark as we are for the "I'll tell her. No I won't. I'm going to be with her. No, I can't" , how do you think she must feel? You can ignore all of the saving and other stuff because this problem needs to be addressed on its own.

Having said that, yes, Lana's gone waaaaay off the deep end and is not very likable at all right now. She's on her way to total meltdown, but she didn't get there on her own. She's been pulled in so many different directions by so many different men. What she said to Clark is still absolutely horrible, but she's not without hope for redemption.

I agree with most of what you said. He has treated her like a yo-yo and that is just wrong. Lana was a much better g/f than he ever was as a b/f. And when she said the line about if you ever cared about me...it was about what was happening to Lex. She just saw him vanish and heard Clark say I might have to kill him. She gave him a chance to explain it and he refused. Why would she cooperate with him? Did he tell her it might bring about the end of the world? No. He didn't tell her a darn thing. And her saying she can't believed she ever loved him is no worse than him saying he doesn't love her. He was being deliberately cruel. She was at least being honest about what she felt at that moment. When someone causes you pain, there is a reaction.