What Did You Dislike Most About This Season?

[Kryptonian_unforgiven]

Yes,i know we've got one to go,but i'd like to hear about what you that was the worst thing about this season.Overall,i thought this season was awesome,but i figured i'd get your imput into what they should/shouldn' have done.For me,it was all of the above.But in particular,it was Jonothan Kent dying.I don't think the writers realized how much people loved those father & son talks.I know i did.If anyyone were to be killed,it should have been someone minor,even if it would have been a pissoff, i would of gladly taken it if i had known what the alternative would have been.Even Lana,i honestly wouldn't have minded at all.Her & Clark were a good couple but as we had started to see(& now know)its gone nowhere.At least this way she could have joined Whitney & Jason & had fun watching the two of them argue over who had dibs.

As for the fillers,they weren't too bad,with the exceptions of "Aqua" & "Thirst".They did very little for me except watch what could have been a fantastic hour get wasted away.With the exception of Lex being the bad guy & him & Clark moving farther apart,"Aqua" did nothing.With "Thirst" i can't recall much other than Lana being a bad bad vamp to her boytoy Clark.Was there any real significance that i missed to that episode anyway? I really can't remember.

Their separation came as a bit of a suprise,i'll admit.I mean,if you went back in time to save your significant other & she ended up with your best friend,how would feel? Even if Clark was the one who broke up with her,that was still uncalled for.Now that you think about it,he really wasted alot of time on her since the shows beginning.At least she helped make him the man he will soon become & remain a fond memory for a lifetime.


Lois poses a bit of a question to me.Will they be able to form a solid relationship between her & Clark next season? I think so,but they should do it gradually & not try to rush it,like that line Clark threw at her during the last episode.YOU all know the one i'm talking about,the whole"i feel like i've known you forever/best friends crap that they pulled towards the ending.I'm pretty certain that she'll be the one he ends up with,like it or not, but they can't just go from making shots to being buddy buddy,this will take time,much like the Clana situation.Add more scenes with them coming together,not just bagging the FOTW or whatever the case may be.Have more intimate scenes between them that are slow at first but gradually grow into what it will be in the future.A good house needs a strong foundation,and if the writers want to make their relationship believable then they had better kick it up a notch next season,& not rush it.

[FallenStar]

I'd have voted "all of the above" if "end of Clana" wasn't a choice, considering that I am adamently anti-Clana. . .

I voted crappy fillers, with JK dying and lack of Clois tieing it. . .

[Watching Smallville]

Reckoning.

[Kal-El1138]

Johnathan's departure was the absolute worst thing to happen this year. Despite the fact that I actually like "Reckoning", it was a total waste of 43 minutes that could have been used to move the mythology forward or pay up on that outright lie of "everything we've waited to see".

[photogirl]

Poor Jonathan...I was upset that he died

[smallvillecrazygurl04]

I voted for the death of Johnathan Kent's death! It just sucked having him die:( That was the worst part about this season

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Reckoning.

Word!

[bobser]

It was sad to see Pa' Kent go. First, JS is a superb actor and filled the role so well. If it helps the plot move along, I guess I'll live with it though I'll miss the character.

I was also not too happy when the good sherriff was shot and killed. When she started telling Clark perhaps he should consider the "hero" business, I was worried about her. Then, they just had to off another good character. Perhaps they were able to cut in a few more special effects/guests with increased budget.

The mythos development was somewhat pleasing...I would have rather seen more interaction with it/other characters than Clark pining over Lana for the FIFTH STRAIGHT YEAR.

I'm patient, loved the Lana/Clark hs stuff, but geesh...don't drown me TPTB haha. It's good that relationship was finally resolved romantically, but hopefully the mend a friendship and play that dynamic.

Lois is great. ED is a solid actress who captures the essence of Lois in the first two Supe movies imo. She really has nothing to do in Smallville but provide plot relief...and is doing a good job thus far. Hopefully they will give her a stronger role next season.

Chloe Sullivan. I almost wonder if she is actually Supergirl. It seems she is working with a Kryptonian level intellect, is more resourceful than Clark, and comes out the hero more often. Allison Mack is a superb actress and does the character well. I hope next season, however, they tone down Chloe's superheroing. I want Clark to be somewhat smarter, driven by his own ambition for doing the right thing, and not being outshined by Chloes brilliance.

Lex sliding into evil is good. Sometimes it seems they want him to be good and make it seem that situations force him into perceived evil. That's fine. Just make Lex do some things, however, just because he's evil. It's more fun.

I'm pleased with the other characters as well, and their roles in the series. I do hope the MB goes back to his lip-smacking, devious, plotting ways though. I don't want benevolent Lionel.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Reckoning.

Pretty much sums it up. Of the first eleven episodes, I would rate eight of them good to excellent. Of the nine (so far) after 'Reckoning', only three were really enjoyable. The first half of 'Reckoning' itself was maybe the best SV episode ever and the second half was easily one of the worst. It was like watching someone turn their brand new Mercedes into a light pole.

[amberdawn]

Jonathan Kent dying is my choice.

[kkjdt]

hated Reckoning... I would of voted Lexana if that would of been a choice... I didn't mind them breaking up but hate Lexana... sorry Lexana fans....I just think it is out of the Superman III/Lana character


I also didn't like the fact that their were quite q few episodes that I couldn't watch as a family......too dark for my kids.. liked it better when it was more of a family show....

[Krypton935]

Jonathan Kent dying. :( It made me so sad. I miss Jonny!!!!:(:(

[JorEl23]

LEXANA is hideously gross to watch and completely unrealistic/unbelieveable!!!!!!!!!

[SnarkMasterJ]

I'll jump aboard the Reckoning Express. It was a terrible, contrived wreck-of-an-episode, from start to finish. And most of the ones following it fell into the same trap.

Clark and Lana separating was three seasons overdue, so it would be hard to have problems with it happening this season.

I have no problems with JK dying, because for all intents and purposes, I'd been waiting for it and expecting it. It was just in the cards.

Lack of Clois means nothing to me because, not only do I not see any kind of potential romantic chemistry between the two, but TPTB have given me no reason over the past season and a half to believe that these two will be anything but spatting siblings.

And every show needs their crappy fillers. Smallville just happens to buy them in wholesale bulk. Nothing new.

[tw190]

My choice isn't on there. It'd be the "Clana dragged on for waaaaay too long". :p

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
I'll jump aboard the Reckoning Express. It was a terrible, contrived wreck-of-an-episode, from start to finish. And most of the ones following it fell into the same trap.
I posted on another thread that I've started to think of SV episodes as BR (Before Reckoning) and AR (After Reckoning). It's like the show totally changed with that one episode.

[warriorrenegade]

"Wreckoning" as someone put it, is the reason I hated the second half of this season. Yes it had some stand out episodes Mercy, Void and Oracle but overall this second half was extremely dissapointing. With "Wreckoning" I felt lied to and cheated out of something that could've been great.

[vyperman7]

Things that dissapointed me :

1) Reckoning - The second worst episode in the history of the show after Ageless. Dissapointing from start to finish. It was way too rushed, and nothing changed in the end. JK's death came off as meaningless. Why couldn't Clark use his knowledge of the accident to keep Lana alive and still tell her the truth? At least that way when Clark sacrified his dad's life, it would have been for something.

2) The fight in Arrival with Clark and the Kryptonians. Way too damn short. Talk about anti-climatic. I don't think Smallville has ever given us a good fight. The rest of the episode was amazing. I just didn't care for the fight.

3) Lexana relationship. Lana has to be the center of everyone's universe. I was hoping Lex would be the one guy not to fall for it. Not to mention the fact that Lex stealing Lana will be the reason for Clark and Lex's fallout. Why couldn't it be based on the hero/villain angle like it is supposed to be?

4) Lois - Lois has no identity and never tries to find one. Her appearances are pointless and forced. The only episodes I liked Lois in were Fade and Exposed because they did what they were supposed to do with Lois's character and that was forshadow her future with Clark and the DP.

5) Alan R as Aquaman. One of the worst actors ever.

*********

I just looked at the poll for the choices of what the worst thing abut season five was.

* I would put Clark and Lana seperating in the plus column for me.. :lol:

[MarkAllan22]

Reckoning.

The first half was great, but then they bring out the time reversal crap and the episode bombs into a pile of you know what.

The whole plot ruined any emotion I had for Jonathan dying. I just sat there being more ticked off that they hyped this all up for a lame copout.

Let's not forget the fact that since they've got their 100 episodes they need for syndication, AlMiles have apparently moved on to caring for their great Aquaman project and Smallville has become a burden to them, hence the major decline in quality of episodes since Reckoning.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by MarkAllan22
Let's not forget the fact that since they've got their 100 episodes they need for syndication, AlMiles have apparently moved on to caring for their great Aquaman project and Smallville has become a burden to them, hence the major decline in quality of episodes since Reckoning.
If that's true, it's going to be like Peter Jackson getting sick of LOTR and wanting to move on to King Kong. At least Jackson hung in there to give ROTK his best effort (although it was my least favorite). I think Al/Miles might want to treat their winning franchise with a little more respect.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by MarkAllan22
Reckoning.

The first half was great, but then they bring out the time reversal crap and the episode bombs into a pile of you know what.



Gotta disagree with you there about the first half being great. The whole episode was terrible.

If they had taken the time to make it a two hour episode, it would have been so much better.

Clark reveals himself to Lana.
Lana and Clark could have then relived things from the past like with what happened in Vortex with the tornado, and her relating that to Clark flying/jumping in the FOS, etc.. Clark then cops to being from the planet Krypton and how that was responsible for the death of her parents. Then some actual emotion from Lana like anger for Clark lying, or being irrational about her parents death, etc.. Then later in the episode after Lana calms down and thinks about it, she realizes she still loves Clark and that it was ultimately not his fault. Then he proposes and she accepts. From there you get to have a conversation between Lana and Chloe about both knowing the secret, etc.., hear Lex's thoughts on seeing Clark speed by after the accident instead of just him standing there looking stupid, and you get fallout over Lana's first death instead of just showing Clark in the FOS right after.

All of this takes up the first hour.

The second hour would then involve the time reversal. Obviously the time reversal sucked. I hated it too. But you can't have Lex knowing the truth. Clark then tells Lana the truth again, but uses his knowledge of the accident to keep her alive. She decides she can't be with Clark and ends things.

We would have also gotten to see the FOS scene with JK and Clark as well.

Then the episode ends with Martha actually being pissed at Clark and not letting him off so easy, and finally the funeral where the Lana walk away would actually mean alot more because of what happened.

If Reckoning had gone this way, I would have enjoyed it.

[Pal-El]

There should have been 'Angst' up as an option. That what I hated about this season. The angsty angsty crap.:rolleyes:

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Gotta disagree with you there about the first half being great. The whole episode was terrible.

If they had taken the time to make it a two hour episode, it would have been so much better.

Clark reveals himself to Lana.
Lana and Clark could have then relived things from the past like with what happened in Vortex with the tornado, and her relating that to Clark flying/jumping in the FOS, etc.. Clark then cops to being from the planet Krypton and how that was responsible for the death of her parents. Then some actual emotion from Lana like anger for Clark lying, or being irrational about her parents death, etc.. Then later in the episode after Lana calms down and thinks about it, she realizes she still loves Clark and that it was ultimately not his fault. Then he proposes and she accepts. From there you get to have a conversation between Lana and Chloe about both knowing the secret, etc.., hear Lex's thoughts on seeing Clark speed by after the accident instead of just him standing there looking stupid, and you get fallout over Lana's first death instead of just showing Clark in the FOS right after.

All of this takes up the first hour.

The second hour would then involve the time reversal. Obviously the time reversal sucked. I hated it too. But you can't have Lex knowing the truth. Clark then tells Lana the truth again, but uses his knowledge of the accident to keep her alive. She decides she can't be with Clark and ends things.

We would have also gotten to see the FOS scene with JK and Clark as well.

Then the episode ends with Martha actually being pissed at Clark and not letting him off so easy, and finally the funeral where the Lana walk away would actually mean alot more because of what happened.

If Reckoning had gone this way, I would have enjoyed it.

Sounds like an episode of Smallville I'd like to watch.

I find it funny that posters on this board do a better job of reconciling plot points with continuity than the writers/creators do. And we don't even get paid for it.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Gotta disagree with you there about the first half. The reveal was way too rushed. If they had taken the time to make it a two hour episode, then Lana and Clark could have relived things like with what happened in Vortex, and her relating that to Clark flying/jumping in the FOS, etc.. Clark copping to being from the planet that was responsible for the death of her parents. Then some actual emotion from Lana like anger for Clark lying, or being irrational about her parents death, etc.. Then later in the episode after Lana calms down and thinks about it, she realizes she still loves Clark and that it was ultimately not his fault. Then he proposes and she accepts. From there you get to have a conversation between Lana and Chloe about both knowing the secret, hear Lex's thoughts on seeing Clark speed by after the accident, and you get fallout over Lana's first death.

All of this takes up the first hour.

The second hour would then involve the time reversal. Obviously the time reversal sucked. I hated it too. But you can't have Lex knowing the truth. Clark then tells Lana the truth again, but uses his knowledge of the accident to keep her alive. She decides she can't be with Clark and ends things.

We would have also gotten to see the FOS scene with JK and Clark as well.

Then the episode ends with Martha actually being pissed at Clark and not letting him off so easy, and finally the funeral where the Lana walk away would actually mean alot more because of what happened.

If Reckoning had gone this way, I would have enjoyed it.
Me, too, vyperman7. :)

If Reckoning had gone this way, it would have been one of the best -- if not the best -- episodes of the series instead of one of the worst (if not... well, you know).

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Gotta disagree with you there about the first half being great. The whole episode was terrible.

If they had taken the time to make it a two hour episode, it would have been so much better.

Clark reveals himself to Lana.
Lana and Clark could have then relived things from the past like with what happened in Vortex with the tornado, and her relating that to Clark flying/jumping in the FOS, etc.. Clark then cops to being from the planet Krypton and how that was responsible for the death of her parents. Then some actual emotion from Lana like anger for Clark lying, or being irrational about her parents death, etc.. Then later in the episode after Lana calms down and thinks about it, she realizes she still loves Clark and that it was ultimately not his fault. Then he proposes and she accepts. From there you get to have a conversation between Lana and Chloe about both knowing the secret, etc.., hear Lex's thoughts on seeing Clark speed by after the accident instead of just him standing there looking stupid, and you get fallout over Lana's first death instead of just showing Clark in the FOS right after.

All of this takes up the first hour.

The second hour would then involve the time reversal. Obviously the time reversal sucked. I hated it too. But you can't have Lex knowing the truth. Clark then tells Lana the truth again, but uses his knowledge of the accident to keep her alive. She decides she can't be with Clark and ends things.

We would have also gotten to see the FOS scene with JK and Clark as well.

Then the episode ends with Martha actually being pissed at Clark and not letting him off so easy, and finally the funeral where the Lana walk away would actually mean alot more because of what happened.

If Reckoning had gone this way, I would have enjoyed it.

Agree, totally. If I remember correctly they put all those issues on the back burner.. Lana " All those times, you were there saving me" Clark " It doesn't matter, all that matters is that I love you". WHAT ! It does matter you idiot. You're right this episode had to be a 2 parter at least. So much to explain and discuss it was all brushed away. Shame.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Sounds like an episode of Smallville I'd like to watch.

I find it funny that posters on this board do a better job of reconciling plot points with continuity than the writers/creators do. And we don't even get paid for it.

No kidding. We should get paid.. :D

I think what they should do is have an interactive contest where a fan gets a chance to write, or at least co-write an episode. There are so many great fans out there with a lot of great ideas.

My idea for S4 was always to have Lucas return and help Lex run Level 33.1. Especially since Lionel of all people called Lucas a sociopath. He would definately have a darker influence on Lex. Lucas has always been my favorite guest character. It would have been awesome to see him return. Running the day to day of Level 33.1 would be perfect. Then you eventually could have had Lex kill Lionel, and frame Lucas sending him off to Belle Reeve.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Me, too, vyperman7. :)

If Reckoning had gone this way, it would have been one of the best -- if not the best -- episodes of the series instead of one of the worst (if not... well, you know).

I don't know if I would have called it one of the best episodes, but it would have definately been a satisfying episode. The time travel part would have bugged the crap out of me, but the rest of the episode would have made up for it.


Originally posted by warriorrenegade
Agree, totally. If I remember correctly they put all those issues on the back burner.. Lana " All those times, you were there saving me" Clark " It doesn't matter, all that matters is that I love you". WHAT ! It does matter you idiot. You're right this episode had to be a 2 parter at least. So much to explain and discuss it was all brushed away. Shame.

I know man. Lana's reaction to the truth is what everyone wanted to see, and all they offered was Lana's stunned silence.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I know man. Lana's reaction to the truth is what everyone wanted to see, and all they offered was Lana's stunned silence.
And a 2-minute conversation with Lois, for crying out loud.


Originally posted by vyperman7
I don't know if I would have called it one of the best episodes, but it would have definately been a satisfying episode. The time travel part would have bugged the crap out of me, but the rest of the episode would have made up for it.
I'm sure if TPTB thought about it, they could come up with something other than a time reversal crystal to solve that problem. There was so much laziness in the writing for that episode, which as you point out, could have rocked if it had been done the right way. I do think it had the potential to be been one of the best in the series -- everything we ever wanted to see, as someone put it.

[becomingagod]

Vyperman definatly has a good idea (or ideas rather) on the show, and what would/could make it better, but from a writing standpoint, people have to realize that with the exception of a few series (Buffy/Angel) most television writers have absolutely no control over how a script gets worked into the show, the producers tend to turn into self declared editors and work out parts of scripts. I have been very happy for the most part with the shows this season, of course coming off of season 4 I think my expectations were low.

That said, I feel that while I really liked John Schnieder on Smallville, his death I believe was too help push Clark on his road to Superdom. I also feel that the end of Reckoning (from JK's confrontation with Lionel to the end of the ep) was the single greatest moment of the show so far. It was extremely powerful, and it was done in a way that felt so real.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by becomingagod
Vyperman definatly has a good idea (or ideas rather) on the show, and what would/could make it better, but from a writing standpoint, people have to realize that with the exception of a few series (Buffy/Angel) most television writers have absolutely no control over how a script gets worked into the show, the producers tend to turn into self declared editors and work out parts of scripts.
In this case, the producers are two of the show's best writers, if I'm not mistaken. So Al/Miles had a lot to say about Reckoning and the way it unfolded. From what I understand, they requested 90 minutes from the network for this episode and were turned down. Given that, they should have expanded to 2 hours, rather than cut back. Think of the episodes we could have done without -- Tomb, Hypnotic, Void... I'd give up any of those. Or Fanatic, if they wanted to end on the 100th.

[netlynn]

I would have voted reckoning and lexana for sure

[rangerl]

can't clark please get real taste in women.!!! Lana is a loser and lois is a pain in the butt!!! Like Tom a lot!! Sad about Jonothan... love him.. good pillar for clark to lean on. What is next?

[superhippie2000]

i liked most of the season but i really hated hypnotic minus the Brainiac stuff cause that was good.

Mr kent dying was sad but was expected.
Lana and clark breaking up was not that big of a deal to me.
Clois stuff to not a big deal.
Most of the fillers were pretty good except hypnotic. still had better fillers then last years stuff.

[tw190]

Originally posted by superhippie2000

Most of the fillers were pretty good except hypnotic. still had better fillers then last years stuff.

Agreed.

[Donnie Brasco]

Originally posted by superhippie2000
i liked most of the season but i really hated hypnotic minus the Brainiac stuff cause that was good.

Mr kent dying was sad but was expected.
Lana and clark breaking up was not that big of a deal to me.
Clois stuff to not a big deal.
Most of the fillers were pretty good except hypnotic. still had better fillers then last years stuff.

I agree

I liked hypnotic though. The end of clana. Top class stuff I thought :D

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I hated the fact that, even with JK's death, Clark still hasn't grown up.

It really gets on my pectoralis majorus !

[Kalel x2x2]

i chose all of the above =/

[Elite]

clark and lanas over-complicated relationship (clana)
lex and lana's relationship (lexana)

so to sum up, anything with lana in it

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
In this case, the producers are two of the show's best writers, if I'm not mistaken. So Al/Miles had a lot to say about Reckoning and the way it unfolded. From what I understand, they requested 90 minutes from the network for this episode and were turned down. Given that, they should have expanded to 2 hours, rather than cut back. Think of the episodes we could have done without -- Tomb, Hypnotic, Void... I'd give up any of those. Or Fanatic, if they wanted to end on the 100th.

I could've easily lived without "Fanatic", which was probably the weakest pre-"Reckoning" episode IMO.


Originally posted by vyperman7
The second hour would then involve the time reversal. Obviously the time reversal sucked. I hated it too. But you can't have Lex knowing the truth. Clark then tells Lana the truth again, but uses his knowledge of the accident to keep her alive. She decides she can't be with Clark and ends things.

I was with you until this. The idea of time reversal (which is in effect a memory wipe) is not bad in and of itself, but SV has undone too many big events over the years. They had lost the permission to use that trick from the fans and it seemed like they finally got it in the early going. The promise of Season 5 was that all the big events would actually count. Remember the tagline about seeing the stuff you'd been waiting for?

That is what made having a big time-travel/reversal thing right in the middle of the key episode of the season unforgivable.

[Ephrils]

This season Shelby didn't get enough screen time :(

[Spoon AZ]

I disliked in Season 5 all the people that started threads saying Smallville would be cancelled by bad ratings.

Because they say that every year even when Sville is a huge success such as this year.

[redraven]

Well, I voted for all of the above. I would have voted for Lexana..but surprisingly, that wasn't on there.

[watcher4]

I was devastated when Johnathan Kent died. He did not HAVE to die so soon. IMHO, his death was the worst thing that happened in S5.

[khufu]

What I hated most? Hmmm, prolly all the b1tching and complaing from everyone when the writers finally decide to move the storyline forward with Clark learning that Chloe knows his scecret, evil Lex, Brainiac & Zod, Clark being forced to step up after Jonathan's death, finding out that Lionel knows about Clark, the MB actually playing a good role.... yup, all the things that were long overdue but that for some reason were met with nothing but complaints - that's what I hated most about season 5.

The actual episodes? Best season ever.

[Alicia Baker]

the chlark kiss and the lack of lois.

[Deana]

Let's see...Johnathan Kent dying so Clark Kent can grow into in even bigger Dumba**!

Martha Motherly advice being dished out by Chloe. Clark doesn't need to Moms. One must perish!

Clark running to Chloe because he's has problems counting up to ten.

[CB2006]

I voted for Jonathan dying. He was the main reason why I started to watch the show and it is not the same without him.

[ClarkSupportsOrganic]

Clana was the worst part. Not breaking up but the familiar yo yoing and then Lana's attitude toward Clark

[Best Episode - 321]

My vote is the Chlark kiss in Vessel. Quite upsetting to me.

[TheSupaMan]

Should've had Lana as a sole vote

[loislover]

jonathan kent dying was good for the show to develop Clarks character. EXCEPT THE WRITERS FORGOT TO DO IT!!!

[spideyfan]

JK dying. By far. I cried. A lot.

[Ketchup]

Not really the fact that Clana ended... more like the whole Lexana bullsh*t that ticked me off.

[muffinpeddler]

What i honestly hated most was the time reversal in Reckoning. That made me want to punch a hole in the wall! I was so angry that they felt they could give us what we wanted, then just rip it away! Essentially, they toyed with our minds. i felt violated.

[paolinki25]

Lois development. I love Lois, but there wasn't much of a role for her this season.

[alienkinfolk]

Jk dying was not a happy moment because he means so much to Sv bu those crappy ep fillers pissed me off like the Vampire one....ugh!

[MBCorp]

I wasn't too thrilled by Vessel.:lol:

[SirJono]

Crappy fillers.

JK dying wasn't a bad thing, I just wish they hadn't teased with the possibility of Lana knowing all+being ok with it.

lack of Clois... fine with me, but they should have her doing more besides showing skin and helping in politics. Would be good to see her, chloe and clark team up on something, even if she doesn't know. Who knows what could happen in season 6.

[OutlawAngel]

Jonathan's death was totally pointless and that is what I put

and yeah just to say it Aqua was terrible as well. Might of been the worst episode of the series to me. Lex making a weapon that destroys fish is still just yappy ankle biter of evil. If it can even just counted as that.

[EricN68]

Crappy fillers for me.

I like the love triangles/quadrangles/dodecahedrons/etc. Love that stuff. Just don't bore me with some freak of the week you can't even explain!

[aqua]

Lana sucked out everything good. :(

[God-Man]

Filler episodes AND all the crappy Lana drama. They should have devoted more to the Brainaic subplot, although I will give Smallville credit for the season long storyline. It was the best one yet. it was certainly more focused that last seasons.

[Poweranimals]

Since Chloe's existence isn't on the list, I didn't vote.

[smallvillerocks45]

I voted "Clark and Lana Separating", because the break up turned Lana into a Lex slave and it made Lana extremely ungrateful and mean to Clark. I can't stand it when she dates someone else and thinks that gives her license to treat Clark like garbage.

[Mayry]

mmm there's no clana sex option??

[margroks]

Jonathan dying was bad and unnecessary because becoming a man is about accepting your responsibilities as and adult not losing your father but Clark jumping into bed with Lana when he didn't trust her was absolutely the worst. Lana and Clark should never have been together and the sex was not only dry as dust but just awful.

And it made Clark look dumb as a rock to think he was human when he was only without powers as well as boinking such a selfish horrible girl. Lana's remarks to him last night were perfectly nasty, as they so often are thoughout the history of this show and considering how many times he's saved her, were completly uncalled for. She never misses a chance to twist the knife and is completely undeserving of the hero's affections.

[clana20]

The whole fact that there were some really good Clana episodes in the first half of the season and the writers seemed to be building towards something. Then all of a sudden, Bam! Lana pretty much hates clark, acts like she never loved him, then turns to someone everyone knows is evil and cant be trusted. Stupid!

[Superboy-Prime]

Okay what I disliked about this season. I hated that clark always had to be told to be a hero by Chloe. Also I hated how Lois is on the show when theres no real reason for her even being there. I disliked all the little Superman and Jla (junior lifegaurd association) references, they just come off corny, well except for the Identity Crisis one. I love James Marsters as Brainiac, but the character Brainiac isnt as big a villian as I believe he should be. If Pa Kent had to die then Brainiac should've been the one to do it, not some heart attack/Jor-el taking his energy or whatever. Brainiac should be more of a threat, in the fortress of solitude Clark should've barely managed to win against him. Not just win by pushing him twice.


Hmm what else.... the clark and lana thing. Clark having the same love interest for 5 years is just a big no no, and He should'nt want her so much it should be the opposite. Also smallville isnt a cartoon interprentation of the comic book, so Clark should change his clothes instead of wearing the jeans, blue shirt, and red jacket every episode.

Well those were just some of the Ramblings of SuperBoy-Prime

[Fly by guy]

Didn't see my choice. Last 2/3 rds of the season. Since Solitude, the quality and ratings went WAY down. Enough said.

[lynelle]

I would go for Lex/Lana (one of the worst storylines this show has come up with), and the mid-way point of the season. Actually, it all started going wrong from Solitutude onwards, with just just a few good episodes.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Reckoning...it was the crossroads and they took the wrong path.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Reckoning...it was the crossroads and they took the wrong path. Nicely put.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Ditto. Those are my feelings exactly.



Originally posted by smallvillerocks45
I voted "Clark and Lana Separating", because the break up turned Lana into a Lex slave and it made Lana extremely ungrateful and mean to Clark. I can't stand it when she dates someone else and thinks that gives her license to treat Clark like garbage.

:lol:

I laugh because it's so true.

With the exception of Whitney (I mean let's face it, she was cheating on him the whole time in her mind), Lana has taken all the guys she's dated/became involved with and trusted them over Clark (and they've all been bad in some way). Without fail. Either Clark was being overprotective, or butting in where he wasn't welcome, or being a hypocrite, or he was just too late to have any say on what goes on in Lana's love life. No matter what, she was always nasty to him. Why he put up with it just proves another point in the Quantum BDA Theory.

[Last Sun]

I voted for lack of Clois development because I just can't see them ever getting together. The writers have pitted them against each other so often that it just doesn't seem believable at this point, but maybe next season they'll head more in that direction.
As for the "Reckoning" haters, Johnathan Kent's death was a necessary step in Clark's development as a character and a hero. He needed to have more responsibility and a reason to do things more on his own. Plus, the writers seem to be following the movies a lot lately, what with Zod coming, so they followed Superman I. Not to mention, the episode finally showed that Clark had good reasons not to tell Lana his secret. It only took a few hours for her to be in danger.

[Space_Ninja_3000]

Get rid of the filler episodes. Get rid of the stand-alone episodes. Every episode in the season should be like the last two of this season 5: connected, building off the previous one, with no interruptions.

The writers of Smallville should be studying the current "Battlestar Galactica" series as a model for great writing.

In fact I would say, you should have the main 3-5 ideas/events for the whole season worked out ahead of time and at least a general idea of what will happen in each of the 22 episodes (or what needs to happen in them).

[aqua]

"Lockdown" and after was all horrible. The only episode in the first half that was, IMO, great, was "Splinter," but the rest were okay and the season was picking up momentum..

Then the 100th episode hit and it went all downhill.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Last Sun
As for the "Reckoning" haters, Johnathan Kent's death was a necessary step in Clark's development as a character and a hero. He needed to have more responsibility and a reason to do things more on his own. Plus, the writers seem to be following the movies a lot lately, what with Zod coming, so they followed Superman I.

That I agree with. And it's the only part of Reckoning where I felt like a greater purpose was served. But the fact that they made it seem like JK's life was traded for Lana's is what I think was a big problem with it. But no doubt, it had to happen. Jonathan had to die. It's part of a whole lot of what I know to be the Supes story.

[aqua]

How did "Reckoning" develop Clark as a character and a hero? My answer: not at all.

He was sad, he wanted revenge.. then that's it. The rest of him talking about his dad was him mourning him. He didn't become more heroic, he still stayed the BDA. Fact is, he was the one who killed his father for not listening to Jor-El's warnings, then not listening again when he knew another life would have to be taken for Lana's. And then what happens? Nothing.

Jonathan's death was unnecessary because it didn't progress Clark at all. The reason he was killed was because it was the 100th episode and they wanted to make it big and memorable.

[SnarkMasterJ]

The reason Jonathan died is because it's in the mythos.

[xrayvision]

Not in the post-Crisis mythos.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
That I agree with. And it's the only part of Reckoning where I felt like a greater purpose was served. But the fact that they made it seem like JK's life was traded for Lana's is what I think was a big problem with it. But no doubt, it had to happen. Jonathan had to die. It's part of a whole lot of what I know to be the Supes story.

I agree the JK dies in most versions of the story and that it somehow seems to be important in that way. Clark needs to lose his Earth father in order to discover that he needs Jor-El's Ghost. That makes sense from a story perspective. It seems to fit the myth.

I also agree that anytime TPTB bring in an element from the Donner film, it helps. I like the feeling that the movies and SV are telling the same basic story.

However, my problem with "Reckoning" (and many of the episodes that followed) was how they dealt with JKs death. For one thing, the whole 'someone must die' decree in 'Hidden' was a little cheesy. Sure, Clark made a mistake, but it was hardly a proportional response. It felt like one more example of Jor-El being irrational and cruel.

Worse, was how the first half of the episode played out. It was almost too good. It made perfect sense given everthing we had come to know about Clark, Lex and Lana. Her death felt both tragic and inevitable. Had Clark just reversed it, that would've been one thing. A lot of the best moments of the series 'never happened'. Clark only went skinny-dipping with Lana in a dream. Lex doesn't remember seeing Morgan Edge crash his car into Clark, or that bad Lex learned Clark's weakness.

Instead, we got the death of JK tacked on to the reversal of what was, quite frankly, a much more interesting story. It was disrespectful of the character, the actor and the fans. Making it worse still were the episodes that followed. Martha appeared to move on to Lionel almost immediately. Clark really only gwent through one of the stages of grief in 'Tomb'. Other than that brief bit of video at the end of 'Vengence', we got very little sense of how big the loss was to Clark and Martha.

It was just an awful, awful mistake.

[Watching Smallville]

I thought JK did NOT die in most versions of the story. I think people are most familiar with the movies, and take that version to be the definitive canon, but the movies are not definitive. In many versions of Superman, the Kents are alive when Clark is Superman.

SV killed off Jonathan for drama, just like they put Lex and Lana together for drama. It's what a lot of television shows do when they've been around a while -- they look for something they think will be shocking to the audience. Most of the time it just ends up getting people ticked off at the show.


Originally posted by dhacker615
Worse, was how the first half of the episode played out. It was almost too good. It made perfect sense given everthing we had come to know about Clark, Lex and Lana. Her death felt both tragic and inevitable. Had Clark just reversed it, that would've been one thing. A lot of the best moments of the series 'never happened'. Clark only went skinny-dipping with Lana in a dream. Lex doesn't remember seeing Morgan Edge crash his car into Clark, or that bad Lex learned Clark's weakness.
I have to agree wholeheartedly with this. A lot of the best moments in this series never happened.

I would have been okay with NO deaths in this episode if they had just let the Clark/Lana thing play out, even let Lex see Clark use his powers. Then let's run with all those complications. What a season that would have been.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Lana had way too much screen time this year. Superman vs Lex should not be centered around Lana solely. I understand they want this to be the spark of the battle. But I feel it should be based on Good vs Evil.

[last man of krypton]

For me, it was the moment I thought, "Lana's STILL alive??!?!!" :mad:

It was mentioned earlier that Clark's character didn't develop after JK's death, a point I have to agree on. In "Vengeance" we saw Clark convince someone else that killing for revenge isn't right. And lo, what do we see in "Oracle"? Clark giving Lionel some Triple H moves in a vengeful frame of mind (who somehow can survive being manhandled by a Kryptonian, and smashed into a windshield at 360mph without any more than a cut forehead. Somebody save me).

[xrayvision]

I think the Jor-El in Lionel is protecting him from those blows since Lionel is too important to die or get severely injured.

[aqua]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
The reason Jonathan died is because it's in the mythos.

Yeah, that's good in theory. However, Lana has red hair in the mythos, Lois was never in Smallville in the mythos.. My point isn't that Jonathan's death wasn't necessary because it didn't happen in the mythos, because it did. It just didn't accomplish anything and was completely and utterly meaningless.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by aqua
Yeah, that's good in theory. However, Lana has red hair in the mythos, Lois was never in Smallville in the mythos.. My point isn't that Jonathan's death wasn't necessary because it didn't happen in the mythos, because it did. It just didn't accomplish anything and was completely and utterly meaningless.

I got ya, but let me explain myself better.

Based on how SV has unfolded, a lot of the mythos that they have drawn from has been the Supes movie mythos. Not exclusively, but for a lot of things. I mean let's be real -- Annette O'Toole as Mrs. Kent? Terence Stamp as the Voice of Jor-El? Chris Reeve AND Margot Kidder as guest stars? Not to mention the usage of John Williams original score in various episodes. Hark, I see a pattern. From all that, I just deduced what avenue they were going down when I heard about "the life to be taken." They even gave Jonathan the long standing heart condition so his death from a heart attack would make sense. It wasn't much of a guessing game for me.

Now...how they handled it and the way the presented it? Not happy with. But whatever anyone's opinions on Clark, JK's death has been a key catalyst in Clark moving toward his destiny. And that, in the past, was its sole purpose.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I thought JK did NOT die in most versions of the story. I think people are most familiar with the movies, and take that version to be the definitive canon, but the movies are not definitive. In many versions of Superman, the Kents are alive when Clark is Superman.

Not to start a geek war, but I think that there are about five, or six, versions of Superman. Here are the fates of the JK & MK:
1 Golden Age: JK & MK die prior to Clark coming to Metropolis, but they are pretty minor characters.
2. 'Adventures of Superman' TV show: JK & MK are dead by the start of Season 1. Again, they are very minor characters, since they only appear in one scene of the Pliot.
3. Silver Age: JK & MK are major characters in Superboy's life, but die of some disease prior to Clark moving to Metropolis.
4. Chris Reeve era: JK dies of a heart attack prior to Clark leaving for the Arctic. MK survives to the present.
4 (a). 'Smallville': JK dies of a heart attack prior to Clark leaving for Metropolis.
5. Modern era: Both JK and MK survive until present day.
5 (a). 'Lois & Clark': Both JK and MK survive until Clark is an adult.

I'd say the death of JK is a really common, if not universal, theme in the life of Clark as a young man.

[shinedown]

i chose all of the above even though i wanted to chose lexana b/c that was by far the absolute worst part of this entire season. it completely ruined the finale for me and if it continues smallville wont be a show im excited about watching anymore.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by dhacker615
Not to start a geek war, but I think that there are about five, or six, versions of Superman. Here are the fates of the JK & MK:
1 Golden Age: JK & MK die prior to Clark coming to Metropolis, but they are pretty minor characters.
2. 'Adventures of Superman' TV show: JK & MK are dead by the start of Season 1. Again, they are very minor characters, since they only appear in one scene of the Pliot.
3. Silver Age: JK & MK are major characters in Superboy's life, but die of some disease prior to Clark moving to Metropolis.
4. Chris Reeve era: JK dies of a heart attack prior to Clark leaving for the Arctic. MK survives to the present.
4 (a). 'Smallville': JK dies of a heart attack prior to Clark leaving for Metropolis.
5. Modern era: Both JK and MK survive until present day.
5 (a). 'Lois & Clark': Both JK and MK survive until Clark is an adult.

I'd say the death of JK is a really common, if not universal, theme in the life of Clark as a young man. Thanks for the breakdown, dhacker615. I guess I'm more familiar with the recent versions in the comics and w/ L&C, so I don't think of JK's death as commonplace. I always hoped SV would not go this way, because it did not seem to be a necessary element for Clark to become Superman. And the way SV has handled it, I'm not sure it has furthered Clark's journey. But I'm interested to see if things turn around next season.

[Tacosupes]

Lex and Lana,

And Lionel flirting with Martha, and stupid Martha accepting his help like a moron.

Out of all those things I' have to say the worst was Jonathan's death, because he was the only one with a brain and integrity, he didn't flip flop like Clark and Martha always do.

[Sweetie]

Johnathan's death...I was so sad mostly because of the way it has been done.I think it was too rushed,extremely unreverent for him,in exchange of another life.Very bad writting(again).Poor John,he deserved better than that:(

[myankskent]

The thing that I have hated the most is the fact that not one single character has progressed toward their destiny, except for Shelby. He really has that sitting in a corner routine down pat!

[Miss L]

What I disliked most about this season is Clark's lack of intelligence. Period. I hope he has time to grow a brain in the Phantom Zone.

[GOBBluth]

I hated how Lex had no purpose other than being a problem.

Clark is going to be Superman and he is slowly progressing toward that now with the Fortress of Solitude, Jonathan's death, actually thinking on a grander scale than Smallville, he now has connections with the Daily Planet ect....

Lex is supposed to be the other lead character and he has progressed 0%.

Sure he is darker and he is the cause of some troubles, but his destiny isn't moving forward from the first of the season. It's hinted at(by his dead mother two times during the season), but nothing actually pushes that forward.

All he did was get possesed by Zod...hopefully Lex will have a HUGE comeback in season 6.

[Watching Smallville]

I think Lex actually did have some progress this season -- some important progress. He stepped out of his ambiguity toward the Kents and decided to go for the jugular in his campaign against Jonathan. We saw him become ruthless in his LuthorCorp product development. Leviathan was a danger to the oceans. The Cyborg project was a danger to the victim. We saw that he has public charisma -- although they snatched that away in Reckoning (I won't get started). At the end of the season, he's dabbling in biological weapons of mass destruction.

The problem I see with Lex's development is that it's being overshadowed by Lexana. And unfortunately, the season ended on that note.

[ImissVancouver]

upon considering this topic, I've come to the conclusion that the only thing I TRULY did not like was that they took WAY TOO LONG of a break during the colder months, I HOPE THAT WE TOO are given a Season 6 with as few REPEATS as possible (i read an article today that the tv show LOST will be airing next season without any repeats or very few at the least as many unhappy fans voiced their dissatisfaction to the powers that be at ABC
--(Page 60 REDEYE, Chicago Tribune Wed. May 17, 2006)! That would be WICKED!

i understand they probably need a break and whatnot but I'm addicted and i blame TPTB *jokes*

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by myankskent
The thing that I have hated the most is the fact that not one single character has progressed toward their destiny, except for Shelby. He really has that sitting in a corner routine down pat!

Clark formulated his code against killing, which is probably the biggest single step toward becoming Superman that he could take.

Lana and Clark were actually boyfriend-girlfriend for about half the season, then broke up. That is Lana's entire 'destiny'.

I hated the possesion angle, but Lex worked with Fine (Brainiac) for a good part of the season, who is going to become one of his chief allies against Superman.

That is huge progress for me.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by dhacker615
Clark formulated his code against killing, which is probably the biggest single step toward becoming Superman that he could take.

Lana and Clark were actually boyfriend-girlfriend for about half the season, then broke up. That is Lana's entire 'destiny'.

I hated the possesion angle, but Lex worked with Fine (Brainiac) for a good part of the season, who is going to become one of his chief allies against Superman.

That is huge progress for me.

I disagree. We all know that Clark cannot kill, that's why he didn't kill the guy who killed Alicia and also why he never killed the guy who beat up Pete. That's not much progression to me. Progression in Clark's character means accepting his heritage, something that he has still refused to do.

We don't know what Lana will do in the future, comic books vary. She has been a news anchor for a Metropolis news station in one version. But her destiny is not as important as Clark and Lex's destiny.

And speaking of Lex, his progression was a joke this year, IMO. the only thing that we have seen with him this year is that he can pine over Lana just as well as Clark. He had some evil moments, but nothing sustained. Even with Fine, Lex was working on a cure for the virus, not planning on releasing the virus itself. Plus, everything was taken away in Vessel when Lex was no more. If you want to show me progression, at least make Lex a character in Vessel rather than making him a guy controlled by Brainiac and then erasing him all together when he became Zod at the end.

[Fly by guy]

I have three things that I disliked
*Time reversal in Reckoning and all that followed
*The terrible Clana breakup in Hypnotic, a show that had so many
bad things, like wussy Lex.
*Lexana and anything related to it. Zod kissing Lana? Another dream and who's because it stinks.

I think Vessel ratings are a result of a poor show that never evolved after Reckoning. Who is happy with the direction? Clois,Chlark, Clana, Lexana, Zodana, or maybe Mionel fans? Rating no better than the last of season 4 is embarrassing after all the hype from the early rebound numbers prior to the Wreckoning. I wonder if the decline had anything to do with Aqua not being picked up? Maybe they should practice their shark jump in Crater Lake and bring a leather jacket?

[demongene]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Gotta disagree with you there about the first half being great. The whole episode was terrible.

If they had taken the time to make it a two hour episode, it would have been so much better.

Clark reveals himself to Lana.
Lana and Clark could have then relived things from the past like with what happened in Vortex with the tornado, and her relating that to Clark flying/jumping in the FOS, etc.. Clark then cops to being from the planet Krypton and how that was responsible for the death of her parents. Then some actual emotion from Lana like anger for Clark lying, or being irrational about her parents death, etc.. Then later in the episode after Lana calms down and thinks about it, she realizes she still loves Clark and that it was ultimately not his fault. Then he proposes and she accepts. From there you get to have a conversation between Lana and Chloe about both knowing the secret, etc.., hear Lex's thoughts on seeing Clark speed by after the accident instead of just him standing there looking stupid, and you get fallout over Lana's first death instead of just showing Clark in the FOS right after.

All of this takes up the first hour.

The second hour would then involve the time reversal. Obviously the time reversal sucked. I hated it too. But you can't have Lex knowing the truth. Clark then tells Lana the truth again, but uses his knowledge of the accident to keep her alive. She decides she can't be with Clark and ends things.

We would have also gotten to see the FOS scene with JK and Clark as well.

Then the episode ends with Martha actually being pissed at Clark and not letting him off so easy, and finally the funeral where the Lana walk away would actually mean alot more because of what happened.

If Reckoning had gone this way, I would have enjoyed it.

I have to agree 100% with all of that! The first half was way too rushed,and the second half was even worse for many reasons.

[All about Clark]

OK, what's missing from the list is Lexana.

[luthorcorp]

i say filler episodes cause they are always anoying

but i voted johnathan kent death cause i didnt think he should of gone yet.... it was too soon
should of been lana

[Kryptomaniac]

TPTB should NEVER have killed off Jonathan. After bragging all these years about wanting to write father-son relationship scenes, what happened?????

Also, more stories with "behavior changes"...gimmeabreak! How many more possessions can we stand? EVEN LEX IS POSSESSED BY ZOD NOW! (Barfs on the writers...)

[Tacosupes]

Mostly I hated the whiners who tried to put down a great season like season 5.

[last man of krypton]

Something had just occured to me yesterday which is now bugging me: the use of the FOS. The fortress was the one thing that kept me going throughout S4, and was excited to see it built in the S5 premiere. But Clark hardly used it any differently from than he would use the caves:

Starts to learn about his Kryptonian heritage, but leaves and chooses not to return. Done in the caves in S2 when he first learns the Kryptonian language.
Gets resurrected, leaves without so much as a good-bye. Jor-El did it to "Kara" in the S3 finale in the caves.
Clark tries to blow it up because he didn't like what Jor-El was telling him. Could've been done in the caves (and technically done with the ship).
Likewise for the time-travelling. Clark could've easily just shown Lana the secret section of the caves opening up & showed his powers there.
Clark got info about Brainiac from the FOS. Could've been done with the caves.

Jor-El warned Clark that not obeying him would result in disaster, and lo, Kryptonians come with destructive intentions. You'd think that would be enough of a motive for Clark to want to spend more time at the FOS learning, messing around with crystals to see if it can benefit mankind (as opposed to just Lana), finding out what his place is in the world instead of crashing trucks.

Overall, I think what annoys me most is that Clark is trying to be "normal". What do we, as "normal" (whatever that means) people do? We think about how we can use our talents for our and others benefit. However, Clark seems content to just sit around on the farm instead of being a firefighter, police officer, or hell, even a super-quick delivery boy.

[All about Clark]

^I don't agree with this essessment. Clark has had a very difficult year, so to expect him to go out there an be a firefighter or whatever seems ridiculous to me. The fact that he gave up his schooling to run the farm when JK died seems like a logical step. Him providing for the family. With everything that goes on with him, the farm for him is a place of sanctuary, which he needs to work out all of the other stuff he's going through. Sure, the FOS could have been used more, and sure he could have come to the conclusion he needed his training sooner, but I don't see it as him trying to be normal, just trying to keep things in his life that aren't terribly taxing on him. He is only 19, and he doesn't know why all this sh*t is happening to him.

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

The bad episodes, sorry if anyone liked these.... Tomb, Cyborg, Hypnotic. We were having a bad episode phase for a while there, but they got better, so thats good.

[All about Clark]

Cyborg wasn't a bad episode. But you are missing Exposed.

[christian_kryptonian]

I think this seaosn was great. I loved it. Even the filler episodes were entertaining for me. I honestly cnanot find anything truly wrong with it so i jsut put lack of Clois cause I wouldn't have minded more of that. I guess if there was more then it would not have been as special so don't change anything. I take back my vote. lol. This season was spectacular. Maybe the best in the series. I guess we'll find out.

[robbieg]

I agree this season was the best so far, I just hope there are some big action scenes in next seasons opener, why doesent Clark fly anymore? the last time was in season 4 opener, surely he should be flying everywhere.