LOVED IT? HATED IT? How Was the 'Season Finale'!?

[SadaBeem]

What were your thoughts on this episode?

[Kalel x2x2]

How was Season Five's Finale?

[TomWellingLover122]

It doesnt come on until tomorrow, DUH!

[afro_maestro]

i already kno it won't live up to my expectations, b/c my expectations are soo damn high.

[biggkoz]

Yeah for being a forum whiz you should know the day its on tv.

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by biggkoz
Yeah for being a forum whiz you should know the day its on tv.

yes i know .. i wanted to start it early ...

[TrevorH]

Tell you in 1 hour 8mins

[wonderwomanS]

Okay the BEST episode ever and then it ended. UGH! I hate that! I love good climaxes (get ur mind out of the gutter! lol)

I am backing up mr. Kent becaue I am a true'real' life 'Kent' hence my surname is 'Kent'.

But what gives with the phantom zone and why is lana a bi#$ch????


Lex looked hot in this episode although I would have wished that 'zod' would have come out of his body or something! ha ha! ;)

and Clark looked HOT!!

[MBCorp]

I don't know if it's just me, but this was seriously one of the weakest, most underwhelming finales of SV that I've ever seen. Commencement was a far, far better finale than Vessel was. I just found it to be very mediocre and meh and there were some serious plotholes and lazy writing. Plus everybody's acting seemed really off.

[patrickm2009]

personally i thought the episode sucked, clarks ending was dumb, they have had him leaving everyone for 3/5 seasons.

[Addictedtosmllvill]

Are you kidding! Clark and Chloe kiss! Thats all I need.

[myankskent]

This finale was terrible. Clark is nowhere near ready to become superman. He screwed up several times in this episode.

[paolinki25]

I don't think it was that bad. I do hate though the whole Zod/Lex thing. I wanted to see Zod as Zod...

[Summers]

I agree Alice. That was weak. I even said to my mom last year's finale was better than it which she agreed. "Commencement" was far more entertaining. This was just so dry, and anti-climatic. Not to mention they just keep changing the mythology likes it's no big deal, and just put things in their own mythology to add WTF moments. Clark being the vessel....give me a break.

[tmkfan]

this is the worse finale in the history of tv!

i mean, clarks an I diot, lanas a hoe, chloes a BIG hoe, and the cliffhangers are the most horrible s hit in the world.

wow im surprised ANYONE liked this.

[MarkAllan22]

Yeah, it was nowhere near 'Commencement'. The plotholes made my head hurt, but there were still some good things.

Of course, we know Clark will get out of the PZ, Lex will lose his memory of everything since being abducted, Lana will still be hugging Lex' nuts, so on, so on.:o

The whole mystery with the black ship last year was great. This year, nothing.

[SV addict 06]

could anyone tell me his thoughts about this episode plase to know what the hell happen????

[jimmyolsenblues]

I CALL BRAVO SIERREA!
THIS WAS A GREAT EPISODE.
CLARK STUCK IN PHANTOM ZONE.
ZOD FREE.
THIS IS GREAT WRITING.

[Bludiamond]

I agree..this was the worst Finale of the five..it should have either been two hours or gave more closure..they didn't close any of the season's plot..IMO

[sstray72]

I liked it, as far as I'm concerned season 3 was the worst finale. It was boring until the last 10 minutes.

[gneisskathy]

Originally posted by Summers
This was just so dry, and anti-climatic.

I have to agree here, the whole thing was just ok...never really had me excited. Last weeks episode was better. Half way through I was thinking blah blah blah...I felt very let down. I think I will watch again to see if its better a second time. The best part of the episode was when Chloe kissed Clark.

[kryptohag]

HEY this season finale is just like the rest!! WTF? Clark goes missing, again... Lex dies, again... people's lives are at risk (Lois and Martha on a plane), again... Chloe is still hung up on Clark... and Lana is still a selfish idiot!! Even the lines seemed similar to last season's cliffhanger, "You say that like we're never going to see each other again..." or something to that nature. Could they not come up with anything original? Grrr... I was not amused with this cliffhanger and found myself flipping through channels at one point.

[F-Stop Blues]

Well it was a darker finale, in the vein of Exodus. I liked it but its hard to judge the smallville finales imo because all of them are outstanding eps.

[jimmyolsenblues]

anti-clamatic? zod is free and clark is trapped? what more do you want . i dare say people are spoiled, this was a great finale.

[redraven]

I guess it's pretty weak...I was the least satisfied with it...

[CallMeClark]

Someone people disagree with all things SV. IT WAS AWESOME!!!!

[LetMeGo]

I'm rather disappointed... What was that whole thing with Zod not having a body and needing a vessel?!?! Have we not seen Superman II? You're right kryptohag, that scene between Lana and Lex when he said he may never see her again and he loved her seemed a bit familiar. It was much better in Commencement when Lana said it to Clark. Commencement was the best finale IMO nothing could beat that last shot of Clark in the artic!

[kikidee]

This was by the worst. It was boring, mainly predictable, and once again showed that all of Clarks problems stem from the fact that he just doesn't listen. As for the Zone- Clark's not even suppise to know of a zone. But then again the writers change what ever they want.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Zod free on earth.
Clark trapped in phamtom zone.
This is great writing.
I loved this episode.

Only down part was wayy too much Lana time.

[red-K glory]

This season finale was the best season finale ever! I can't believe how amazing and intense it was from beginning to end! It was so good that I did not want the episode to end, and now I can't wait till season 6. I can't believe how the ending left off with Lois and Martha in the plane, Chloe and Lionel left in the streets with a bunch of panicking people on the verge of insanity, Lex/Zod and Lana, and of course Clark left in the Phantom Zone. All this stuff put together made the best season finale which is why I voted that it went out with a bang! VERY IMPRESSIVE EPISODE!!!! This is what Smallville should be like all the time!!!

:)

[BadToad]

Sadly, I didn't love it. Didn't hate it, but I really wanted to love it. And I just didn't (I just don't really care for Souders/Patterson as writers that much).

I liked the Chlark kiss :)

And I think Lana is the most loathsome, reptillian she-beast that ever inhabited a TV show.

[tankypanky]

I thought it was an excellent finale-at first I was worried it would be just like all the other finales-and it had some unfortunately similar moments, but overall I think that throughout all the finales each one has gotten more and more dramatic and climactic...so yeah I this followed suit-I really liked it-I liked that clark is now in a place where he literally can't do anything and lex is taken over by Zod and chloe is being attacked along with lionel and martha and lois are in a plane being flown by brainiac I think they couldn't have made it more dramatic than that so I loved it!!

[gneisskathy]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
anti-clamatic? zod is free and clark is trapped? what more do you want . i dare say people are spoiled, this was a great finale.

Spoiled? No. I have never said anything bad about Smallville...and I am not saying anything bad now either. I love it still and will watch again and again since it's an obsession of mine lol. This episode just didn't have me on the edge of my seat like other ones. It seemed too predictable or something and I avioded reading the boards and the spoilers before hand so I wouldn't get "spoiled". I was a little surprised that Clark ended up in the PZ so fast but I just feel like something was off with the episode. I have to watch again to see what it is. It was just ok, not horrible but not great.

[Thil_EL]

i didnt think it was all that GREAT ,but it was very well done
it started great with lex and lana and the whole thing ,but somehwre in the middle they lost that rush
i was expecting to see clark and lex have a big battle not just throwing eachother and the ending was not that shocking for me at least not covenant shocking

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
I agree Alice. That was weak. I even said to my mom last year's finale was better than it which she agreed. "Commencement" was far more entertaining. This was just so dry, and anti-climatic. Not to mention they just keep changing the mythology likes it's no big deal, and just put things in their own mythology to add WTF moments. Clark being the vessel....give me a break.

Mel,

Do you have Direct TV or a dish? I am just curious because you are in So Cal like me. I have always wondered how you see episodes earlier.

But from what I have read, I am gonna go out on a limb, not having seen it yet, and say that the finale sounds awful. Too much Lana, Lex as Zod, etc.. I mean it is pretty bad when the most talked about thing in a finale was the kiss between Chloe and Clark.. :lol:

What makes me most upset is how even Zod of all people wanted Lana.

[NeoSuperman]

This was my 2nd favourite season finale for smallville! The worst would have to be the 3rd season finale. All of them are great though.

[Tom's Chick]

I loved it....although I still can't decide whether or not it topped the S4 finale.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by Thil_EL
i didnt think it was all that GREAT ,but it was very well done
it started great with lex and lana and the whole thing ,but somehwre in the middle they lost that rush
i was expecting to see clark and lex have a big battle not just throwing eachother and the ending was not that shocking for me at least not covenant shocking

Yes, I was expecting Lex and Clark to really go at it, fighting each other. I was rather disappointed that it didn't really happen. It was a good episode and I just hate the way it ended. I hate cliffhangers like these! Last year's finale was better: it ended on a much more positive note!

[smallvillecrazygurl04]

I thought it was intersting! I'm thinking that they didn't want to give too much away, so that is why they left viewers at this point of the show, so the viewers can tune in for next season! I think this episode was rather good, But it wasn't bad! I guess I would have to say average.

I though the whole Lex/Zod thing was wierd, But it was cool at the same time! But it's wierd that Lex/Zod didn't get into a fight with Clark!

It was Cool and sweet that Chloe(Finally) Got to kiss Clark, But that of course was on a count of she probably wouldn't see him again, But It was a sweet Moment!

I loved the whole Lex/Zod & Lana Scene, It was intersting when you saw Zod/Lex looking at the damage that he caused! And Lana and Zod/lex Share a kiss! it was a sweet and Cute moment!

Finally, I loved the scene when Clark is in the Phantom Zone, It looked so cool and intersting!

I can't wait until Season 6(If there is one, let's hope)

[loislover]

it was just average. But 3 out of the last four episodes were almost unwatchable anyways so I wasn't surprised.
Clark needs to be a man instead of a little b___h!

[F-Stop Blues]

Im going to watch it again later and then write my review. Let me say that I love the cliffy with Clark and Zex. I dont like that Zex kisses Lana, I thought Zod hated humans, but this just furthers my theory that Lana is a god.

[vyperman7]

Parker,

Maybe you can explain this to me dude. How is it possible that someone who isn't dead (Zod) can take over someone else's body?

I knew this show had crappy writing, but that is ridiculous.

[temleh_krad]

All I have to say is:

"So now you see that evil will always triumph... because good is dumb."

[kikidee]

This was not one of their best efforts. I agree when the most exciting thing people on any of the ships have to talk about is the Clark and Cloe kiss. the whole Zod story is just ridiculus. I was really hoping that they wouldn't bring him back, especially since mythos wise, Clarks not suppose to know about him for years. I'm just really tired of the writers changing the mythos in every aspect except one. Clark and Lana. And I know what people are going to say. Clark is suppose to be with Lois. They would be right, but inthe future. she isn't even suppose to be in Smallville.
I just really feel done with this show.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Parker,

Maybe you can explain this to me dude. How is it possible that someone who isn't dead (Zod) can take over someone else's body?

I knew this show had crappy writing, but that is ridiculous.


This is my take. Jor-El wanted Zod to suffer, so he banished his soul to the PZ and destroyed his physical body so that he could never return. JE's thought that being banished to the PZ was worse than death so thats what he did. Braniac escaped Krypton and at a later time would free Zod using a powerful vessel (Clark). That didnt work out so Braniac went to the next strongest, Lex. Since Zod's soul is still in the PZ if liberated he is powerful enough to take over someone else. Thats how I look at it. Does that make sense?

[vyperman7]

I hear yah.

I just think it is lame having Zod's soul being bannished and his physical body is dead. He is supposed to be alive. Actually seeing Zod was one of the things I was really psyched for, but Lexod is one of the lamest ideas ever. I am really dissapointed.

[MBCorp]

Yeah, it's pretty bad when the Chlark kiss is the only thing that people are really talking alot about.

[sassy_reporter]

I don't know. I really loved this episode. It's my favorite season finale, but then again, I'm not that familiar with the comics and the mythology that people are. I don't mind the whole Zex thing and I loved seeing him on top of the Luthorcop building in his trenchcoat. And Clark in the Phantom Zone! Oh my god, so cool! I was really upset about it, but I think it's more that I was affected by the whole thing than I didn't like it.

[Sifu Will]

Originally posted by MarkAllan22
Yeah, it was nowhere near 'Commencement'. The plotholes made my head hurt, but there were still some good things.

Of course, we know Clark will get out of the PZ, Lex will lose his memory of everything since being abducted, Lana will still be hugging Lex' nuts, so on, so on.:o

The whole mystery with the black ship last year was great. This year, nothing.

OMG that is the funniest interpretation I have ever read. LOL.

Okay. I hated the whole season 5 finale. How is Zod's body dead but his spirit lives within the Phantom Zone? If that is the way I perceived it then does that make Clark's body dead but spirit is alive?

Is Braniac still alive since the ship was never destroyed? If the ship is destroyed then will that release or trap Clark in the Phantom Zone? Can the ship be destroyed with kryptonite as Clark's ship was???

Honestly I have no idea how this episode is able to be completed. My brain hurts!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[warriorrenegade]

Ok call me crazy but I loved it. Lex being sucked into the ship way cool, loved seeing Lanas reaction to that. I liked that Clark went to his father, to see what Fine is doing to Lex. I loved the explanation given for what Prof. Fine is " Brain . Inter-Active . Construct. How cool was that? Then the whole killing of Lex would Clark really do it to save the world, uh no duh we all know Lex is in his future, but still it was exciting to see him debate it

. I still don't know if this was the real Lex or some clone or whatever it is, I mean what happend to the plastic baggy scene? Left on the cutting room floor for time constrants? Guessing thats the case. Anyways, Loved the Clark and Lionel scene in the barn. Lionels reaction to hearing Lex is the vessel. Awesome for a second I thought Lionel was going to step up and take Clarks place. Then seeing Lionel go and talk with Lex and being thrown into the windshield of that car, Whoa was it just me or did anyone else think Lionel was dead? Well I sure did, though only for a second. Though he should be cause damn that really had to hurt.

Even the scene with Lana and Lex, where he reveals his powers was good. Her acting was dead on, say what you will about her character but Kristen did a good job in this episode. Now I was dissapointed in the so called fight scene, or should I say superhero frisbee toss. Cause that thing was a stinker. I was hoping for some punches , some kicks just something other than them tossing each other around.

Then the reveal where Clark throws the knife. Ok maybe Im naive , but I didn't see it coming. I knew Clark wasn't going to kill Lex. I thought he would turn and fight Brainiac to make up for the lack luster SHFT. I was wrong. He throws the knife . It started to glow and low and behold Zod is free. Cool beans!

I thought for a second that maybe Clark would step in front of the beam and take the brunt of it to take the place of Lex, but he was knocked to the side. Seeing Lex as Zod was ok I still don't like that hes Zod, but come on that was a cool scene. Hearing him say " You have your fathers eyes. Hello Kal-EL " was awesome. Ok so maybe now we get to see a fight? Please? Nope I was dissapointed yet again. Oh well can't have everything in life LOL.

I still don't get how Clarkwas put into the zone. Did Zod use telekinesis or whatever you call it to push him or did it just pull him in ? My guess is the Tele-whatever you call it. OK I blabbed on long enough... sorry. Anyways I'd rate it a 8.5 out of 10. I just wanted to see a fight, just once. Is that to much to ask? I think not.

[spideyfan]

The episode was well done, I will give it that. But, last season's finale was better.

First, the only cliff-hanger worth talking about is the PZ thing and CK getting out. All the rest will be handled when CK gets out. I am interested in HOW the stuff gets cleared up (plane,Zod,Chloe) though.

Outta 10, i'll give it a 9.0.

[justsaynotokryptonite]

it was LAME...

[Hop115]

i thought it was really good. i really like the the end when lex becomes zod

[cherryblu]

I personally thought this, out of the entire season, was the best episode. What I couldn't stand was how Lana being all stuffy towards Clark. Yeah, Clark wouldn't tell her the truth, but Lana could see all the chaos that was coming and yet she was still hung up about how Clark wouldnt' tell her the truth and all that jazz. But that's just me. As for Clark being pulled into the Zone so quickly? Well, thing about it this way, Clark is such a pure-hearted person that he still believes that Lex can be saved, and as much as he can't stand Lex anymore, Clark doesn't want to kill him. Sure, Clark has made some poor decisions, but he literally has the lives of an entire planet on his shoulders. Maybe he still should have told the truth to Lana the second time around during "Reckoning", or whatever the 100th episode was called. But that's just me and my opinion only and no one has to agree.

As for the changing around of the Superman Mythology, well, if the show was written exactly how the movies/comics told the beginning of Superman's start, then it would become way too predictible b/c then we'd know ahead of time of things became, you know what I mean? Like being inroduced to Lois Lane. But again, that's just me and my opinion and no one has to agree.

PS: Is it just me, or does the leather duster Lex/Zod wore at the end look exactly like the duster James Marsters wore during his role as Spike for all you Buffy fans?

[SirJono]

overall I liked it, although I agree commencement was better. However I think the storylines are bigger after this one, with JK gone, Lex being evil, Lionel/Jor-el, Chloe knows everything... Lex knows a lot now too, if he comes back (and they had better not erase his memory again). clark in the phantom zone with the world in (albeit unbelievable) complete chaos was a pretty good cliffhanger for me.
the only other finale I saw live was the end of S3 when he went into the wall, and that was before I was a fan. I would rate this as much better.

[loistickyfingerz]

I didn't expect much from these two writers. They just aren't very good, and they don't like Lois, IMO, but they love Lana, so they focused on Lana and all the things around her and then did what they had to with the other characters.

It wasn't bad as a stand alone, but of all episodes, the finale has so much riding on it. It's like a placeholder at this point. We know Lex lives, Clark returns and Lois and Martha will be fine.

I just hope that all this has a lot to do with Clark becoming Superman and not trying to go back to the way things were for the sake of Smallville.

And for goodness sake, will he please, now, once everything goes back to normal after the first two episodes of next season, please just tell Lana the TRUTH so we can stop hearing about it from her and everyone else? Once she knows, they'll both eventually realize they aren't meant to be together and Clark can finally start moving forward with his life.

Lex looked totally hot on the roof in that long coat. I hope he adds lots of those to his wardrobe.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by cherryblu
PS: Is it just me, or does the leather duster Lex/Zod wore at the end look exactly like the duster James Marsters wore during his role as Spike for all you Buffy fans?

Totally off topic, but yes, I think it might have been... or at least a great look alike! :lol:

[EricN68]

This was the best episode of the season -- all of the good "story arc" episodes paid off here, I thought. The Lex/Clark confrontation was very welcome, the Clark/Chloe kiss was a great new direction for his battered love life, and the phantom zone ending was just insanely perfect. Can't wait to see what this turns into in season 6.

[Theshadow129x]

i t was decent i wish for once thoyugh they will let clark actually fight someone instead of just throwing them that makes me so angry. but i was looking for more action between lex and clark and even when zod came in but there were alot of plot holes in this one. i dont know it could have been way better

[fash292]

It waz rly good for me!! The only problem iz it got too metheolical with the zod thing and stuff but great episode especially towards the end!! Nothing rly big happened in this season finale tho but it wuz still awesome! Season 3 definitedly worst finale ever tho!!

[TW1977]

Awesome!

[aqua]

There's only one word to describe the finale: Crap.

I can't be bought over by flashy special effects and a story of "epic" proportions. When Johh Glover said that the script was thrown out and put together the day before shooting, I believe him. It was sloppy and all over the place. Most of the characters made me want to go deaf, and with the dialogue, there was a lot to be desired.

First off, I cannot understand why Zod wasn't able to get his form. Why he needed a vessel was beyond me, and honestly, just a way to have SuperVillain!Lex and not getting another actor. The whole story didn't make sense either. What did Fine do to Lex to prepare him? Does that mean Zod wouldn't have powers entering the body? How did stabbing Fine activate the transformation? Smallville has never been good with keeping stories tight and easy to follow. Trying to figure this one out gave me a headache.

If you're a Lana fan, don't read this paragraph:

Lana was annoying in season two and three with her secrets and lies. Season four she was hypocritical and superior. This year she is a straight up waste. When she had her own contrived subplots, I was fine. I just tuned out. However, the fact that she's spreading like a virus to the rest of the show and influencing the Zod storyline, is ridiculous. She is Lana Lang, not Wonder Woman. She had no place having "her destiny set in motion" by this. It was rubbish. She is becoming even nastier, sneaky, superior, and downright annoying. She has no sense of maturity and stands by a man who she trusts completely, although he too has done bad deeds to her in the past. Clark has certainly saved her more times than Lex, who has put her life and her friend's in danger. She is bringing the character of Lex and Clark down and getting embroiled in a story that she shouldn't. Give her another Henry Small or Adam, whatever. Anything to keep Lana away from any important story, because her character is horribly written.

And I go to Lex. It was suggested that Lex was jealous of Clark because of his family; a family that he always wanted but could never get. Now it seems that his main goal was to have the girl that Clark really never had either (on, off, on, off, have sex, off.) Putting Lex's motivations to something completely different was shoddy writing, and that's putting it nicely. He has because a male version of Lana, flaunting his relationship like a teenage boy. If this is a future supervillain, then I'm the queen of England.

What does Lionel know? It was never explained into detail and I'm confused about it all.

Lois and Martha's subplot was a complete waste. We know they're going to survive, everyone survives the cliffhangers because AlMiles are too whimpy to actually do something shocking and original! Imagine that! I was bored to tears with them and they were shoved in with no other place to go.

Chloe finally broke out of being her own search engine, and actually was fullfilling her role as best friend and confidante. And the kiss? Umm.. yeah. Chlark is my favorite ship, but it was just wrong. Chloe knew about Clark's feelings for Lana, his awful moping, whining, etc. He has given no hint of any interest in her romantically. It makes no sense that they would kiss. Being a fan, I was kind of happy then confused and disappointed that the writers felt the need to do that. It was just unnecessary.

Oh, and that Lionel/Chloe cliffhanger? Yawn.

It's taken Clark too long to realize that Jor-El has good intentions. I would have thought he had shown himself last season, but Clark is still complaining and such. He's good, get over it.

And the Lana/Zod thing? I threw up in my mouth, gouged out my eyes, and threw the TV out the window. Imprisoned for so long, Zod would care less about some girl. He would not have kept that appointment and certainly not returned the kiss. It was so ridiculous and foolish and just idiotic writing.

The final shot was hilarious too.

Utterly disappointing. During the whole thing I was wishing that I hadn't loaned my tape of the Veronica Mars finale to my friend so I could have popped it in.

[boonaducious]

*Whimper* I actually missed the first fifteen minutes, but I'm pretty sure that I got the gist of the whole thing.

This finale was not as good as the best episodes of this season, but I still thought it was pretty durn great. This is the first time in which Clark will really have to save the world, which he will have to do many times in his adult life.

Lets begin with a few a the many things I loved about this episode. I won't talk about them all, but I'll give the top four. I loved the acting in this episode. The only one that I thought was off was Tom Welling, but otherwise the cast was great. You can tell MR loves playing the bad guy. Who could blame him considering the fact that Lex is portrayed so well on SV.

Gotta love Chloe. The Chlark kiss rocked, and I hope that they do have a little romance next year. I'm not one of those people who want to see Clark and Chloe together forever, but it would be nice for Clark to get with a journalist so that he can work his way up to Lois Lane.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; I love James Marsters! He's another guy who loves to play a bad guy, possibly even more than MR. He better come back next year or I will be very very sad.

The new good Lionel is a very good change of pace. I can tell Clark doesn't completly trust him, but I still feel a good sense of partnership between them. Despite this new direction, I have a feeling Lionel's days are numbered. Who wants to bet that he'll be a goner by next year?

I've already heard a lot of undeserved criticisms about this episode. That's an unfortunate consequence of have a show with so many Joss Whedon worshippers in the fanbase. One of the problems is having Clark being too dumb. For heaven's sake, he a kid! Kids do stupid stuff. I'm Clark's age and I still do stupid stuff all the time, even though I consider myself book-smart. He might have the Kryptonian version of Aspurger's Syndrome, and you can PM me if you want to know what that is.

Another thing is the fact that Zod needs a vessel. We need to remember that Smallville in a reinterpretation of the Superman mythos. Besides, having a full-on Zod would be too much for Clark at this stage in his life. Also, there is the fact that this finale is simular to so many others. I really don't have a problem with that. Every show I watch is repetitive at times. For example, House is argueably the best show on TV, and it's one of the most repetitive shows I've ever seen. It's simply admired for the show it is, and I think that Smallville should be treated the same way.

Despite my love for the episode, there were some points in which I didn't like. Clark was a little idle right before Zod captured him. I would have run like the Dickins, but Clark just stood there! Too many movies and TV shows have their characters let themselves get captured, and it's just not realistic.

Also, Lana needs to get her priorities in line. I'm able to accept her personality change, and I'm loving this new evil side to her, but she needs to get over her obvious co-dependancy and learn that Lex is a baddie.

One more thing, what was the point of crashing Lois and Martha? Could Braniac be trying to destroy Clark's current and future foundations? I have no reason to think that since it wasn't explained, so I'll probably be puzzled 'till September.

Overall, this was a great episode. Not as good as the other season finales, but it was definitely a highlight of the season. 9/10

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by aqua
There's only one word to describe the finale: Crap.

I can't be bought over by flashy special effects and a story of "epic" proportions. When Johh Glover said that the script was thrown out and put together the day before shooting, I believe him. It was sloppy and all over the place. Most of the characters made me want to go deaf, and with the dialogue, there was a lot to be desired.

First off, I cannot understand why Zod wasn't able to get his form. Why he needed a vessel was beyond me, and honestly, just a way to have SuperVillain!Lex and not getting another actor. The whole story didn't make sense either. What did Fine do to Lex to prepare him? Does that mean Zod wouldn't have powers entering the body? How did stabbing Fine activate the transformation? Smallville has never been good with keeping stories tight and easy to follow. Trying to figure this one out gave me a headache.

If you're a Lana fan, don't read this paragraph:

Lana was annoying in season two and three with her secrets and lies. Season four she was hypocritical and superior. This year she is a straight up waste. When she had her own contrived subplots, I was fine. I just tuned out. However, the fact that she's spreading like a virus to the rest of the show and influencing the Zod storyline, is ridiculous. She is Lana Lang, not Wonder Woman. She had no place having "her destiny set in motion" by this. It was rubbish. She is becoming even nastier, sneaky, superior, and downright annoying. She has no sense of maturity and stands by a man who she trusts completely, although he too has done bad deeds to her in the past. Clark has certainly saved her more times than Lex, who has put her life and her friend's in danger. She is bringing the character of Lex and Clark down and getting embroiled in a story that she shouldn't. Give her another Henry Small or Adam, whatever. Anything to keep Lana away from any important story, because her character is horribly written.

And I go to Lex. It was suggested that Lex was jealous of Clark because of his family; a family that he always wanted but could never get. Now it seems that his main goal was to have the girl that Clark really never had either (on, off, on, off, have sex, off.) Putting Lex's motivations to something completely different was shoddy writing, and that's putting it nicely. He has because a male version of Lana, flaunting his relationship like a teenage boy. If this is a future supervillain, then I'm the queen of England.

What does Lionel know? It was never explained into detail and I'm confused about it all.

Lois and Martha's subplot was a complete waste. We know they're going to survive, everyone survives the cliffhangers because AlMiles are too whimpy to actually do something shocking and original! Imagine that! I was bored to tears with them and they were shoved in with no other place to go.

Chloe finally broke out of being her own search engine, and actually was fullfilling her role as best friend and confidante. And the kiss? Umm.. yeah. Chlark is my favorite ship, but it was just wrong. Chloe knew about Clark's feelings for Lana, his awful moping, whining, etc. He has given no hint of any interest in her romantically. It makes no sense that they would kiss. Being a fan, I was kind of happy then confused and disappointed that the writers felt the need to do that. It was just unnecessary.

Oh, and that Lionel/Chloe cliffhanger? Yawn.

It's taken Clark too long to realize that Jor-El has good intentions. I would have thought he had shown himself last season, but Clark is still complaining and such. He's good, get over it.

And the Lana/Zod thing? I threw up in my mouth, gouged out my eyes, and threw the TV out the window. Imprisoned for so long, Zod would care less about some girl. He would not have kept that appointment and certainly not returned the kiss. It was so ridiculous and foolish and just idiotic writing.

The final shot was hilarious too.

Utterly disappointing. During the whole thing I was wishing that I hadn't loaned my tape of the Veronica Mars finale to my friend so I could have popped it in.

I love this post. You pretty much pointed out everything wrong with this episode and brought up all of the problems that I myself had with it. The only thing I can really say is: WORD!

[myankskent]

I'll second that. Great post about an absolutely atrocious episode.

[aqua]

Thanks. :) During the episode I was thinking about all of the ranting I would do. :lol:

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by boonaducious
*Whimper* I actually missed the first fifteen minutes, but I'm pretty sure that I got the gist of the whole thing.

This finale was not as good as the best episodes of this season, but I still thought it was pretty durn great. This is the first time in which Clark will really have to save the world, which he will have to do many times in his adult life.

Lets begin with a few a the many things I loved about this episode. I won't talk about them all, but I'll give the top four. I loved the acting in this episode. The only one that I thought was off was Tom Welling, but otherwise the cast was great. You can tell MR loves playing the bad guy. Who could blame him considering the fact that Lex is portrayed so well on SV.

Gotta love Chloe. The Chlark kiss rocked, and I hope that they do have a little romance next year. I'm not one of those people who want to see Clark and Chloe together forever, but it would be nice for Clark to get with a journalist so that he can work his way up to Lois Lane.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; I love James Marsters! He's another guy who loves to play a bad guy, possibly even more than MR. He better come back next year or I will be very very sad.

The new good Lionel is a very good change of pace. I can tell Clark doesn't completly trust him, but I still feel a good sense of partnership between them. Despite this new direction, I have a feeling Lionel's days are numbered. Who wants to bet that he'll be a goner by next year?

I've already heard a lot of undeserved criticisms about this episode. That's an unfortunate consequence of have a show with so many Joss Whedon worshippers in the fanbase. One of the problems is having Clark being too dumb. For heaven's sake, he a kid! Kids do stupid stuff. I'm Clark's age and I still do stupid stuff all the time, even though I consider myself book-smart. He might have the Kryptonian version of Aspurger's Syndrome, and you can PM me if you want to know what that is.

Another thing is the fact that Zod needs a vessel. We need to remember that Smallville in a reinterpretation of the Superman mythos. Besides, having a full-on Zod would be too much for Clark at this stage in his life. Also, there is the fact that this finale is simular to so many others. I really don't have a problem with that. Every show I watch is repetitive at times. For example, House is argueably the best show on TV, and it's one of the most repetitive shows I've ever seen. It's simply admired for the show it is, and I think that Smallville should be treated the same way.

Despite my love for the episode, there were some points in which I didn't like. Clark was a little idle right before Zod captured him. I would have run like the Dickins, but Clark just stood there! Too many movies and TV shows have their characters let themselves get captured, and it's just not realistic.

Also, Lana needs to get her priorities in line. I'm able to accept her personality change, and I'm loving this new evil side to her, but she needs to get over her obvious co-dependancy and learn that Lex is a baddie.

One more thing, what was the point of crashing Lois and Martha? Could Braniac be trying to destroy Clark's current and future foundations? I have no reason to think that since it wasn't explained, so I'll probably be puzzled 'till September.

Overall, this was a great episode. Not as good as the other season finales, but it was definitely a highlight of the season. 9/10

Very good points and a great post! I have to continually remind myself that yes, Clark is only 19 at this point. He's going to make mistakes, screw up, and not listen to people he should be listening to. Somehow I think ending up in the PZ will finally teach him to listen and trust Jor-El.... I hope, anyway!

[EricN68]

I still don't completely trust jor-el. He's been a rat bastard in the past. I'm not sure when exactly he turned around. He was willing to let Chloe freeze to death as early as the start of this season.

[boonaducious]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
Very good points and a great post! I have to continually remind myself that yes, Clark is only 19 at this point. He's going to make mistakes, screw up, and not listen to people he should be listening to. Somehow I think ending up in the PZ will finally teach him to listen and trust Jor-El.... I hope, anyway!

Thanks for listening to my little review. hehe. I very much want to be smarter when I grow up, and I'm sure that Clark will learn his stuff by the time he becomes Superman. Heck, I've learned so many street smarts after going to college, that it's almost a miracle. lol. This might be Clark's moment.

[nighttrain33]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I just think it is lame having Zod's soul being bannished and his physical body is dead. He is supposed to be alive. Actually seeing Zod was one of the things I was really psyched for, but Lexod is one of the lamest ideas ever. I am really dissapointed.

I just watched the bit of "Soitude" in which Zod is about to be set free from the PZ. If I am not mistaken, you see Zod's face in the PZ, which I immediately thought of when Jor-El told CK that Zod's body was destroyed.

Then again, I have a few other problems with the show, but I just try to sit back, relax, and enjoy it for what it is, entertainment. Though the plot holes do start to get irritating sometimes.

-Shane

[PaulNeb]

One small gripe. Our local WB affilate's clock was slow, so I missed the very end of the episode. A fill in of the final(?) scene by e-mail would be appreciated.

Outside of that, the episode ROCKED.

And was that another Brainiac copy flying the jet???

Moving the the S6 spoilers forum (with glee)

[JC Grifter]

I had only a few complaints...
1. Zod inhabits Lex... blahh That explaination didn't make it alright!

2. Was there a point to Lois and Martha being trapped in the plane with no oxygen? I undertand their need to place everyone into some type of cliffhanger, but it served no purpose.

3. I thought it was kinda dumb that 30 minutes into having no technology started what seems like revelations.

4. No fight with Zod and Clark! Seriously did Clark even last 30 seconds once Zod came out? And it didn't even look like ge got sucked into anything let alone the phantom zone. Kinda looked like he flew after something Zod threw.

5. Lana... uhhg where do I begin?

6. And was it just me, or did it bother you that Clark was barely in the last episode of the season??

All in all a very good episode.. just a few gripes :)

[God-Man]

The Clark/Lana scene, and the Martha/Lois predicament prevented me from loving this episode. I really liked it anyway.

[cherryblu]

Originally posted by boonaducious
*Whimper* I actually missed the first fifteen minutes, but I'm pretty sure that I got the gist of the whole thing.

This finale was not as good as the best episodes of this season, but I still thought it was pretty durn great. This is the first time in which Clark will really have to save the world, which he will have to do many times in his adult life.

Lets begin with a few a the many things I loved about this episode. I won't talk about them all, but I'll give the top four. I loved the acting in this episode. The only one that I thought was off was Tom Welling, but otherwise the cast was great. You can tell MR loves playing the bad guy. Who could blame him considering the fact that Lex is portrayed so well on SV.

Gotta love Chloe. The Chlark kiss rocked, and I hope that they do have a little romance next year. I'm not one of those people who want to see Clark and Chloe together forever, but it would be nice for Clark to get with a journalist so that he can work his way up to Lois Lane.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; I love James Marsters! He's another guy who loves to play a bad guy, possibly even more than MR. He better come back next year or I will be very very sad.

The new good Lionel is a very good change of pace. I can tell Clark doesn't completly trust him, but I still feel a good sense of partnership between them. Despite this new direction, I have a feeling Lionel's days are numbered. Who wants to bet that he'll be a goner by next year?

I've already heard a lot of undeserved criticisms about this episode. That's an unfortunate consequence of have a show with so many Joss Whedon worshippers in the fanbase. One of the problems is having Clark being too dumb. For heaven's sake, he a kid! Kids do stupid stuff. I'm Clark's age and I still do stupid stuff all the time, even though I consider myself book-smart. He might have the Kryptonian version of Aspurger's Syndrome, and you can PM me if you want to know what that is.

Another thing is the fact that Zod needs a vessel. We need to remember that Smallville in a reinterpretation of the Superman mythos. Besides, having a full-on Zod would be too much for Clark at this stage in his life. Also, there is the fact that this finale is simular to so many others. I really don't have a problem with that. Every show I watch is repetitive at times. For example, House is argueably the best show on TV, and it's one of the most repetitive shows I've ever seen. It's simply admired for the show it is, and I think that Smallville should be treated the same way.

Despite my love for the episode, there were some points in which I didn't like. Clark was a little idle right before Zod captured him. I would have run like the Dickins, but Clark just stood there! Too many movies and TV shows have their characters let themselves get captured, and it's just not realistic.

Also, Lana needs to get her priorities in line. I'm able to accept her personality change, and I'm loving this new evil side to her, but she needs to get over her obvious co-dependancy and learn that Lex is a baddie.

One more thing, what was the point of crashing Lois and Martha? Could Braniac be trying to destroy Clark's current and future foundations? I have no reason to think that since it wasn't explained, so I'll probably be puzzled 'till September.

Overall, this was a great episode. Not as good as the other season finales, but it was definitely a highlight of the season. 9/10

Someone whom I can agree with, YES! I was thinking along the lins of what you mentioned and just previously posted it not too long ago, though I think you worded it better than I have.

[Cookie 28]

Yea. I have a few complaints too. Lana, Lana and Lana.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Mel,

Do you have Direct TV or a dish? I am just curious because you are in So Cal like me. I have always wondered how you see episodes earlier.


I get Dish, and I am able to get the NY WB Affliate.


Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
anti-clamatic? zod is free and clark is trapped? what more do you want . i dare say people are spoiled, this was a great finale.

Clark was trapped in "Convenant" as well. It's not the first time it happened in a cliffhanger. Plus we know he is going to get out anyways over some plot device by Jor-El. That is no Zod. That's Lex in a Spike trenchcoat. I don't want to some possession of Zod. I want to see Zod who we actually saw the face of in "Solitude", but no they change nearly everything at the last minute. To add more WTH moments, and not to mention the Superman mythology. Gosh, I'm glad this show isn't taken seriously.

You do realize since Zod is going to be the Big Bad next year the actual character of Lex will get less screentime next year. That's why possessions should never be done especially if your going use a Big Bad in actual main character. If you are going use possession use a vessel that is minor, or bring in a new character. Kinda like what Buffy did with Glory/Ben. Come on. I don't want to Zod-in-Lex. I want to see Zod. I seen better finales on than this. I seen better finales of SV compared to this. This was just lame, and did they have to reference RotS again.

[Blazermaniac]

Just goes to show you can't please everyone no matter what you do - I thought it was fantastic! Absolutely loved every minute of it!

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I don't know if it's just me, but this was seriously one of the weakest, most underwhelming finales of SV that I've ever seen. Commencement was a far, far better finale than Vessel was. I just found it to be very mediocre and meh and there were some serious plotholes and lazy writing. Plus everybody's acting seemed really off.

Yeah, SV has always pulled out all the stops for the finales. This one had some great set pieces (the scene in the field, the ending), but the finale always has great set pieces. The plot left a lot to be desired. Here are my thoughts:

The Good
- The idea of Brainiac holding the world hostage to get Clark to release Zod.
- James Marsters as Brainiac. He was really creepy piloting that plane. More of that (i.e. Brainiac turning up in unexpected places) would be nice.
- The Chlark kiss was both necessary and really well done.
- The ambiguity about Jor-El paying off with Clark deciding not to kill Lex.

The Bad
- Giving Lex Krytponian powers. The 'regular person gets Clark's powers' routine has become a bit of a cliche.
- Zod needing a human host to escape the Phantom Zone. Does that mean Clark now needs a host? I somehow doubt their re-casting the lead.
- The Martha-Lionel flirtation. It is not showing the proper respect to JK.
- The Jor-El scenes. The dialouge was pretty terrible and why is Clark always shouting? Jor-El is dead, not deaf. Plus, this is pretty major exposition to be getting in the finale. Couldn't they ... you know ... have dramatized it earlier in the season?
- The scene Lionel and Chloe at the end. What did we really learn there, since we knew she was in the riots when Clark left.
The Questions
- How did Fine know Clark would throw the knife at him? If that was the key to open the portal, wouldn't he have ... errrr ... had a clever scheme to make that happen? Or was that just lazy plotting?
- How big of an idiot is Jor-El exactly? He sends Clark to Earth to thwart his greatest enemy, gives Clark the key to unlock his cell and doesn't tell him? Puh-lease.
- Are they going to follow-up on the Chloe-Clark moment, or was it a throw-away? Good story-telling dictates the former, recent history with SV dictates the later.

[vyperman7]

Definately the weakest finale they have done. While this finale did have a few things I really enjoyed, overall it just didn't live up to the other finales they have given us.

The Good

Lionel getting tagged on the windshield was awesome. I immediately thought of Bug Boy's quote from Metamorphosis "Sometimes your the windshield, and sometimes your the bug". As much as I like Lionel, that should have killed him. The only way for Lex to be truly evil is for Lionel to be out of the picture.

The reference to Brainiac's name by Jor-El in the FOS was cool.

The effects on the car catch in the DP were awesome.

The Clark/Lex interaction was rather good and my favorite thing about the finale. The mention of the bridge accident, getting to hear Lex taunt Clark about stealing Lana, and finally getting to see the true side of Lex overall. All excellent. The fight like always was way too short. But overall, the best segment of the episode. It really sucks that he will not remember anything come next season.

Clark being trapped in the PZ is a great ending. The look on TW's face was hilarious. I was hoping for more emotion, but still a great ending. Although you know that Lion-El will free him, and Clark will save everyone, and that Lex will forget everything.

The Bad

Lana. Nuff said.

Where was Lion-El? You would think that Zod emerging on earth would warrant an appearance.

I am really upset over the concept of Lod. They keep twisting all the mythos. Zod's body was never destroyed. He was always trapped in the PZ. The fact that they had Zod's body destroyed and had his spirit take over Lex really sucks. Then to make it even worse, they have Lod kiss Lana. I was at least hoping to hear a "Kneel before me" or something. But nothing. Even Zod falls for Lana. Lana seems like more of a force than Clark does.. LOL

I am a huge Chlarker. It has always been my favorite Smallville ship. But why in the hell is everyone so excited over that kiss? The Chlark kiss was so anti-climactic!! Chloe pulls him in and at first Clark seems to reciprocate. Then he hears the phone ring. I feel bad for Chloe because she pulled his face back in to get some type of reaction and Clark didn't give her anything. It came off feeling really anti-climactic in my opinion.

The two cliffhangers with the crowd in Metropolis and Martha and Lois in the plane were kind of bleh. I am just not affected by near death cliffhangers anymore. None of the characters ever end up actually being harmed. Chloe, Martha, and Lois will all be fine in the end.

Overall

Definately the weakest finale. It had its moments, but there were just too many things that bugged me. I feel it is kind of pathetic that the most talked about event from the finale is the Chlark kiss. That proves the finale didn't have much else to offer. What bugs me the most, is that the kiss wasn't even that great!

I would probably give it like a 7/10.

****************

Is there any particular reason why they only had the finale be an hour and then aired Aqua afterwards? Aqua was the second worst episode of the season after Reckoning. How about a 2 hour finale?

[austezie]

Superman Returns saved this episode. I can't wait for that movie. I'm not that excited about the next season unless its the last. Put the show to rest.

[Putuallin]

I think this made up for some of what was missing this season. I loved it, and I disagree with all of you that don't...

Sure you can say we know clark will get out, but doesn't that go for all episodes? Every time one of these main characters gets into trouble we know they will live. By this I mean Clark, Lex, and Lowis.

The thing that really gets me is clark has never faced anything like this before. Its kind of a general clifhanger. The whole city is in ruins, everyone he cares about is in danger, 2 on a plane ;).. Lets not forget that was way off course. Honestly, IMO this sounds like a job for Superman, not young clark. I think hes finally gona step it up bigtime when we finally get to see season 6. It personally left me on the edge of my seat, I can't wait.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Summers
Clark was trapped in "Convenant" as well. It's not the first time it happened in a cliffhanger. Plus we know he is going to get out anyways over some plot device by Jor-El. That is no Zod. That's Lex in a Spike trenchcoat. I don't want to some possession of Zod. I want to see Zod who we actually saw the face of in "Solitude", but no they change nearly everything at the last minute. To add more WTH moments, and not to mention the Superman mythology. Gosh, I'm glad this show isn't taken seriously.

I'm really confused as to how this goes along with Solitude. We know they completely rewrote the script of Vessel and I'm really curious to see what the original script was and what their original plans were.

[Summers]

I wonder as well. If they had a plan for the finale(like some have been saying), then you think they would follow through.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Summers
I get Dish, and I am able to get the NY WB Affliate.




Oh cool mel you watch the same channel as me. Did you like that annoying Met preview in the lower left corner? They do that all the time.

[Son of Kal-El20]

I thought it was good but not spectacular. The effects, acting, and action were all very good. The storyline however was alright. I don't know what it was but I just felt it could've been better especially towards the end. Plus I didn't really like the whole ZodxLana at the end. But I loved the Clark/Chloe kiss. I'm starting to think that deep down, Clark really loves Chloe. But anyway, I feel the episode could've been better. Convenant is still the best finale in my opinion. I give 'Vessel' a 8/10.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I'm really confused as to how this goes along with Solitude. We know they completely rewrote the script of Vessel and I'm really curious to see what the original script was and what their original plans were.



Well the WB official description is totally different than what happened. Lionel was supposed to channel JE again. And what happened to Lex and the plastic bubble thing? Was the script that bad? And if it was why did almiles approve it at first. They rewrote the whole thing in one day? I really hope Deknight addresses this on his myspace.

[amberdawn]

I voted it Couldve been better.

[superbman2]

I thought it was a great episode, the start was a bit to much explanning to each other. It's only fault was that the episodes b4 had to much offscreensville and the characters had to explain to each other what was going on. Once this resolved it was fantastic and the ending was great, left me with so mnay questions.

[Summers]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Oh cool mel you watch the same channel as me. Did you like that annoying Met preview in the lower left corner? They do that all the time.

Yea, I saw it. That player was huge :eek:. It took over half of Chloe's face :lol:. I find it interesting hearing the news in your area.


Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Well the WB official description is totally different than what happened. Lionel was supposed to channel JE again. And what happened to Lex and the plastic bubble thing? Was the script that bad? And if it was why did almiles approve it at first. They rewrote the whole thing in one day? I really hope Deknight addresses this on his myspace.

This isn't the first time a description has been wrong. Remember last year's "Scare" lol. The Roswell Pod(that's what my sisters and I called) was edited out since it was filmed, and in the trailer. I know of some scripts and scenes that were re-writtened on my favorite shows, but it was nothing compared to this.

[bothra]

1. Zod inhabits Lex... blahh That explaination didn't make it alright!
I can live with that, since Jor-El had a decent explanation.


2. Was there a point to Lois and Martha being trapped in the plane with no oxygen? I undertand their need to place everyone into some type of cliffhanger, but it served no purpose.
I think Fine/Zod wanted friends/family out of the picture. But I understand what you're saying, and I didn't really like it that much either.


3. I thought it was kinda dumb that 30 minutes into having no technology started what seems like revelations.
Yes, that was the absolute worst part of the episode. 3 or 4 hours after a power outage would not make the world plummet into chaos. But you have to admit that Lex/Zod and Lana looking down on the destruction from the top of LuthorCorp was pretty sweet.


4. No fight with Zod and Clark! Seriously did Clark even last 30 seconds once Zod came out? And it didn't even look like ge got sucked into anything let alone the phantom zone. Kinda looked like he flew after something Zod threw.
Yeah, it kinda pissed me off that Clark became a wimp in this episode. He basically just whined about not joining forces with Zod instead of speeding off to someplace and finding a hunk of Kryptonite that he could throw at Zod.


5. Lana... uhhg where do I begin?
Yeah, I think the first thing Zod should do as 'Emperor' of the world is execute Lana as a warning to all that pout about SECRETS AND LIES!


6. And was it just me, or did it bother you that Clark was barely in the last episode of the season??
I made me mad, actually. The episode was just rushed in general, and they could have easily made it into a two hour special and left it exactly as it is, but actually explain things and draw them out to a realistic time.


All in all a very good episode.. just a few gripes
This episode was OK, but it lacked the pieces that would have made it a GREAT episode.

[Kal-El345]

I'm glad at least 4% liked it. You people are worse than Star Wars fans! If it doesn't go your way, then you think its terrible. Grow up for Gods sake! Enjoy it! It wasn't that bad! I thought it was really well done. And they left everyone in peril because its a CLIFFHANGER! Come on people.

[PKII]

C-

now how did clark get pulled into the PZ from that far off? what demon has possessed lana? how did killing fine open the portal?

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Summers
Yea, I saw it. That player was huge :eek:. It took over half of Chloe's face :lol:. I find it interesting hearing the news in your area.



Yeah that logo bothers the hell out of me.

Cool, you watched the WB11 news at 10 with Jim Watkins and Kaity Tong. They've been on since I was little.


Originally posted by Kal-El345
I'm glad at least 4% liked it. You people are worse than Star Wars fans! If it doesn't go your way, then you think its terrible. Grow up for Gods sake! Enjoy it! It wasn't that bad! I thought it was really well done. And they left everyone in peril because its a CLIFFHANGER! Come on people.



Firstly dont troll on this board. And secondly dont tell me how to feel about an episode of this show.

[Summers]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Yeah that logo bothers the hell out of me.

Cool, you watched the WB11 news at 10 with Jim Watkins and Kaity Tong. They've been on since I was little.

I remember that logo smaller last year :\.

Yea, I do if I have time. I would like to watch the morning news over where you live, but that would mean me getting up at 3am....so no :lol:. Because the snippnets they say in the commericals during SV sound really interesting.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Summers
I remember that logo smaller last year :\.

Yea, I do if I have time. I would like to watch the morning news over where you live, but that would mean me getting up at 3am....so no :lol:. Because the snippnets they say in the commericals during SV sound really interesting.



Yeah the morning show is cool sometimes. I've only been up that early a few times to watch it but I remember that Kristin Kreuk was on it once. It was right after Scare and the interviewer said that she confessed her undying for Clark last night and Kristin had no idea what she was talking about. You would that the interviewer would know alittle something about the previous ep. It was pretty funny.

[UDStyle]

UNFULFILLING!

[Summers]

Those anchors remind me of the KTLA WB anchors here in L.A. lol.


Oh, about this episode. Did anyone thought it was well.....weird to show actual rioting footage?

[UDStyle]

The LA Riot footage was all too familiar.

[PKII]

Originally posted by aqua
There's only one word to describe the finale: Crap.

Well put. It was poor. I give it a C-
All night I was hoping the rain wouldn't knock out my signal while I was at work..now I wish it did then I would have missed it.

:\

[Summers]

Originally posted by UDStyle
The LA Riot footage was all too familiar.

You noticed it too. I swear I thought I was seeing what I saw during the L.A. riots. I didn't like that feeling :(.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by UDStyle
The LA Riot footage was all too familiar.

Whoah...that was the LA Riots? Tastless!

[UDStyle]

Originally posted by Summers
You noticed it too. I swear I thought I was seeing what I saw during the L.A. riots. I didn't like that feeling :(. Tell me about it. I was living on Harvard and 27th at the time. That's not too far from where that footage was.

[Summers]

That was real footage of a riot that's for sure. It was news footage. I could swore it looked familar since both UD and I both live in Southern CA.

[LanaandPete]

I thought Martha/Lois's story was lame. I don't get why Brainiac would take Lois and Martha. Also I did like how they did show us if Brainiac was still driving, it leaves it open did Brainiac die

I thought the riot cliffhanger was lame with Chloe and Lionel. Don't tell Chloe is going to raped or anything. I would stop watching right there

Didnt really feel the Chlark kiss, and hated the Zex/Lana. God I hope there is no Zana.

I didn't like how Clark and Martha had no scene together. They need more Martha/Clark scenes

I hated how Lana was characterized in this episode. She knows that Clark has saved the day every now and then and is usually right with all of his assumptions. Why didnt she have faith in him?

Zod's body being destroyed is stupid. Watch solitude, you can see Zod's body. And who is that in Superman 2 then.

Only thing I am interested in is how Clark gets saved and how Lois and Martha get saved cuz we know they will.

[CK&CK]

For me.......IT WAS FRICKIN AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! Even without the Chlark........IT WAS FRICKIN AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

Easily my ALL TIME FAVORITE Smallville Cliffhanger!

Only gripe............I didn't get to hear "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!" But I'm still going to bed a happy camper.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Whoah...that was the LA Riots? Tastless!


Wait that was the actual footage from the L.A riots?

[Summers]

Originally posted by UDStyle
Tell me about it. I was living on Harvard and 27th at the time. That's not too far from where that footage was.

I was trying to catch the street and such, but I was too shocked that I was seeing what I was seeing. Was it Harvard and 27th? I had a chance to view it again at 8, but confessionally I don't want to see it again :(.

[UDStyle]

Originally posted by Summers
I was trying to catch the street and such, but I was too shocked that I was seeing what I was seeing. Was it Harvard and 27th? I had a chance to view it again at 8, but confessionally I don't want to see it again :(. nah that's where I lived at the time.. If I remember that was footage from the mini mall right off of Rodeo.

[Summers]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Wait that was the actual footage from the L.A riots?

That looked like actual news footage for the shots of the ones in L.A. and New York(I couldn't tell what riot they were using there).

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by LanaandPete
I thought Martha/Lois's story was lame. I don't get why Brainiac would take Lois and Martha. Also I did like how they did show us if Brainiac was still driving, it leaves it open did Brainiac die



See I dont think they are in danger at all. I bet Braniac will safely land the plane. Maybe he'll try to kill them after that but I dont think the plane is going down.


Originally posted by LanaandPete

I hated how Lana was characterized in this episode. She knows that Clark has saved the day every now and then and is usually right with all of his assumptions. Why didnt she have faith in him?




She had faith in him in Commencement, so much so that she intrusted the stones to him.

[Summers]

Originally posted by UDStyle
nah that's where I lived at the time.. If I remember that was footage from the mini mall right off of Rodeo.

Hmm....wasn't that near the trucker that beaten almost to death?There were couple of places I remember, but now the flashes are very slowly coming back......very slowly.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Summers
That looked like actual news footage for the shots of the ones in L.A. and New York(I couldn't tell what riot they were using there).


If that was actual news footage then I have no idea when that happened in New York. Maybe it was stock from a film or something.

[Summers]

KTLA was around in the L.A. riots, and they could've easily used stock footage for both shots. I don't like seeing what scared the crap out of me in real life...........ughhhhhhh.

[LanaandPete]

Speaking of the stones, what happened to the search for them. Nobody knows that Clark succeded. Why did Lex give up, why did Lana never ask Clark what he did with that stone.

So Lana can trust Clark with a powerful stone, but not now?

[UDStyle]

Originally posted by Summers
Hmm....wasn't that near the trucker that beaten almost to death?There were couple of places I remember, but now the flashes are very slowly coming back......very slowly. Nah your thinking of Normandie where that trucker got pulled out and hit with a brick. That's a little bit southeast of where I'm thinking that footage was shot. The whole episode was odd. And unfulfilling.

[charmedchick]

as all season finales it was dispointing. because i have to wait until setpember.. lol. its not right.. but it was good. but not great

[Summers]

Originally posted by UDStyle
Nah your thinking of Normandie where that trucker got pulled out and hit with a brick. That's a little bit southeast of where I'm thinking that footage was shot.

Your right I am. I went further down.

[jason 75]

Ya clark isnt that smart vessel was way too short, the should have been more

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by PKII
C-

now how did clark get pulled into the PZ from that far off? what demon has possessed lana? how did killing fine open the portal?

I kind of instinctively felt that it had to do with that paticular prison bracelet being meant for Zod. A lot higher security....for a far more evil and superior Monster......Krypton's worst. He knew what he was doing.....and obviously.....Clark never suspected it as it was quite different from the first two Kryptonian villains that he faced.

And as far as Fine goes.......he is very good at predicting the actions of both Lex & Clark......superior intelligence......well, that's why he's called Brianic.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by LanaandPete
Speaking of the stones, what happened to the search for them. Nobody knows that Clark succeded. Why did Lex give up, why did Lana never ask Clark what he did with that stone.

So Lana can trust Clark with a powerful stone, but not now?

Lana is focused on one thing: whoever she is dating that second. It blinds her to everything else. The BF she gave the least slack to was Clark. On the other hand, if her BF creates any distance .... whoa Nelly. God forbid someone dump her, because then she is a ball of fury.

Lana trusted Clark last season because he was showing romantic interest in her again. She doesn't trust him this season because he dumped her. It is the simple (and that shallow). Let's hope Zod teaches her a harsh lesson about willful blindness. It is long overdue.

Yeah, add the quest for the stones to the list of "things that really should be follow up on". I'd put it somewhere between the murder of Genevive Teague and Level 33.1

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by LanaandPete
Speaking of the stones, what happened to the search for them. Nobody knows that Clark succeded. Why did Lex give up, why did Lana never ask Clark what he did with that stone.

So Lana can trust Clark with a powerful stone, but not now?




You know I cant even get into it. I just need a break from this show. Hopefully by late June we'll get some spoilers and I'll jump back on the band wagon.

[Batman/Superman#1]

Lana and the choices she's make now.
Zod inhabits Lex. that scene Lex standing on LuthorCorp and the City in chaos and the fire in the backgorund seem like it was the true evil Lex. what he is going to do in the future. it would have been better if Zod inhabited Clark.

[Crispin Glover]

It's probably one of the best episodes ever. I didn't think it was going to be good at all so I went into it with little expectations. I just can't fathom how things are going to turn out. It better be in two or three episodes at least next season.

[JasonsLea]

Didn't watch it but I'm so/so. Kinda wish I did to see the Chlark kiss, glad I didn't since Lana's being her usual self and I happen to like my current tv.

[Keyblade]

Hated it. Worst peice of **** episode smallville has pulled out (Yes, worse than ageless)

[FatedOne]

Originally posted by dhacker615
Let's hope Zod teaches her a harsh lesson about willful blindness. It is long overdue.




I agree. I hope Zod uses her like cheap tissue.


Originally posted by Keyblade
Hated it. Worst peice of **** episode smallville has pulled out (Yes, worse than ageless)


Yes it was. Lana/Lex garbage is getting real old real fast.

[alienkinfolk]

Originally posted by Cookie 28
Yea. I have a few complaints too. Lana, Lana and Lana.

so agreed. her presence was not needed. Is there any security at the DP? lana just waltzes in and ease drops and gets mad at clark! and then rats him out to lex. If one liked lana before Vessel i'm sure it tested one's loyalty to her character. She's not needed.I Can't say it enough.

[superman_115]

wonderwoman are you like 2 years old or something.

This has been the worse finale to date of this show.

Ummm like, Clark is hot in this episode, and ummm Lex is hot too, and whatever....

Please, Clark disappears more than Lana dating different guys.

The only thing she hasn't dated yet is Shelby.

[Raul Rigel]

Originally posted by superman_115
wonderwoman are you like 2 years old or something.

This has been the worse finale to date of this show.

Ummm like, Clark is hot in this episode, and ummm Lex is hot too, and whatever....

Please, Clark disappears more than Lana dating different guys.

The only thing she hasn't dated yet is Shelby.

lmao

[smallvillerocks45]

You can say it went out with a bang again! I can't wait for next season. I have to know what's going to happen next.

[Zod in my pocket]

WTF DO YOU PEOPLE WANT??? this was a great finale!!! While my favorite was season 2, this one is the next best IMO.

Commencement was monkey-poo, I mean it was just so boring & meandering I totally lost interest:(

This one actually had some real drama to it. Think...Clark had 2 choices, a moral one and an ethical one. The ethical choice was to kill Lex and save the planet, the moral choice was to take no one's life, say **** you you ****ing machine and put a knife through its heart. Brainiac knew that and he capitalized on it. One of superman's greatest strengths and biggest weaknesses, right up there with kryptonite, is his unwavering morality. This time there was no deus ex to extricate him from this problem that he can only blame himself for getting into; it's a great example of where the MORAL choice isn't necessarily the RIGHT choice.

Don't get me wrong, I know the episode had it's faults, there were several issues regarding pacing, the Clark/Lexod fight could've been more interesting, and Lionel going face first into the car looked kinda cheesy, but I can forgive that.

and please..if anyone ever says "superman lost, nobody wants to see that" I'm coming to find you!!

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Well it was a darker finale, in the vein of Exodus. I liked it but its hard to judge the smallville finales imo because all of them are outstanding eps.

If the writing was better and the scenes were different, it would have been a great finale. I don't think it was darker than the S3 finale. That finale was not interesting, but the last few minutes were freakishly evil. The opera and the MB Lionel were great.

I don't like Lex as Zod. It's a cop-out. They did a complete 180 and never really wrapped up the things that they presented earlier in the season. Lex was interested in opening the ship. Why did this never happen? What about Lionel's powers? Lana was following Lex around like a sheep. It had some decent action, but was a disappointment.

My favorites still are:

1. Exodus
2. Commencement
3. Tempest
4. Vessel (I ranked it better than Covenant since it had more action)
5. Covenant

[Trunkz]

sorry dude, this WAS the WORSE season finale to date...another hyped trailer that let me down. the only part i actually enjoyed in this episode was chloe finally locking lips with clark..TAKE THAT LANA! HA!

[Keyblade]

Originally posted by Trunkz
sorry dude, this WAS the WORSE season finale to date...another hyped trailer that let me down. the only part i actually enjoyed in this episode was chloe finally locking lips with clark..TAKE THAT LANA! HA!

I totally agree.

[nomad]

I've watched SV for the last 5 years and this is what I get....

how low can TPTB go

[neo_nate]

Originally posted by patrickm2009
personally i thought the episode sucked, clarks ending was dumb, they have had him leaving everyone for 3/5 seasons.

actually if you count last season, when we went to the Fortress of Solitude, he left too

Season 1 was really the only one where he didn't actually "leave" smallville

[Lt. Madmax]

Keep in mind that Smallville is a Clark Kent coming of age story with some ties to comics/superman movie, BUT THAT's SOME TIE's.

Al & Miles have always made it clear that Smallville was using the Base Mythology to create IT's OWN STORY. Smallville does not have to adhere to any rules or guidelines.

Now, I myself wasn't dissappointed with the episode at all. (Except whenever they panned over Metropolis -power outage/after Zodana kiss - they could have done such a better job of the animation it almost looked rushed or too basic, there didn't seem to be any depth to it)

I was worried that the possession of Lex's body would be, I don't know, would be done without explanation. Everyone kept saying Lex can't be Zod (I wasn't one of them) cause Zod is in the PZ, and alive etc.
Well let's just say the show could have made a huge wrong turn by letting it just happen, BUT THEY EXPLAINED IT TO US, Chlark both were curious about that same question of HOW? and Jor-El answered it. The actual transition of Zod to Lex was well done cause it showed two things at the same time the moment he threw the knife at Brainiac:

1- Clark's strength
2- Clark's weakness

And by the way CHAOS means you don't have to tie up loose ends. But hey Lex and Lana finally tied up loose ends even if she doesn't know that he's Zod she still chose him. As did Lana and Clark " Clark I don't know how I could have ever Loved you" then she walks out ---- LOOSE END TIED and thrown out.

The show was aimed at CHAOS and it accomplished it. I mean you couldn't have come up with a greater way to come at Clark - "You can't save them all", " Then it begins" - Brainiac --

I mean however this resolves in Season 6, as long as the characters don't have your typical Smallville'esqu memory wipe, then the show will continue to be successful in my eyes.

And the only way I see that happening is if Time gets turned back, cause it's pretty hard to forget when the world has so much destruction in the aftermath of the battles and riots to come.


Al & Miles said this would be the season where the rift between Clark and Lex would become clear, where we would see Clark's character mature into the hero he will become.
I think this has been a very successful season, and set up Season 6 to be a great one too.

I also agree with the opinion that this episode was made much more emotional, cause there is definitely more on the line compared to last season finale.

Finally, the only other thing that dissappointed was the missing scene of Lex in the ship or whatever that white room was. They should have extended the episode to include his transfomation before reappearing on the field.

Anyways this post is long enough,

Later

Your Friendly Canuck

Go Sens Go!!!!

[Timester]

Originally posted by Lt. Madmax
I was worried that the possession of Lex's body would be, I don't know, would be done without explanation. Everyone kept saying Lex can't be Zod (I wasn't one of them) cause Zod is in the PZ, and alive etc.
Well let's just say the show could have made a huge wrong turn by letting it just happen, BUT THEY EXPLAINED IT TO US, Chlark both were curious about that same question of HOW? and Jor-El answered it. The actual transition of Zod to Lex was well done cause it showed two things at the same time the moment he threw the knife at Brainiac:

Like I said in the other thread, retconning. Zod was alive in "Solitude", he was his face, Brainiac was really releasing him.

[Sydafex7]

so, my DVR didnt record it for whatever reason. I've got it set to record the season every thursday. Sounds to me though like didnt miss anything special. Guess I'll just wait till the dvd huh?

[Lt. Madmax]

Originally posted by Timester
Like I said in the other thread, retconning. Zod was alive in "Solitude", he was his face, Brainiac was really releasing him.


Yes but remember Brainiac said that Kal-El was originally supposed to be the vessel, maybe Brainiac was bringing Zod to take over Clark. Showing a blurry outline of Zod's face may have been a minor mistake, but to trash Vessel because of it is not right.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Lt. Madmax
Yes but remember Brainiac said that Kal-El was originally supposed to be the vessel, maybe Brainiac was bringing Zod to take over Clark. Showing a blurry outline of Zod's face may have been a minor mistake, but to trash Vessel because of it is not right.

No, it is. Because it is their own show, their own story they changed. How can we call them good story tellers why they decide to chance the story because "it's cool"? This is subpar, is bad storywriting, is bad continuity and sorry, I care too much about Smallville to fill happy with this crap... Season 4 was enough...

[zachwisor]

Originally posted by bothra
instead of speeding off to someplace and finding a hunk of Kryptonite that he could throw at Zod.



Yeah...so...umm...Clark zoom's off....grabs a chunk of kryptonite....zoom's back, throw's it at Lexod? I see a problem with "grabs a chunk of kryptonite" lol :P

[Lt. Madmax]

Originally posted by Timester
No, it is. Because it is their own show, their own story they changed. How can we call them good story tellers why they decide to chance the story because "it's cool"? This is subpar, is bad storywriting, is bad continuity and sorry, I care too much about Smallville to fill happy with this crap... Season 4 was enough...

Hey I care about Smallville as well, Not good story tellers, all they did was count it as a failed attempt at bringing Zod over. Did it dramatically change where Smallville was going with the Story, I don't think so. They are by no means bad storywriters, yes it is "cool" cause in the end it works, and we're all left wondering where will go from here, the Smallville kid is gone, now it's time it get stepped up a notch and if making a minor change in the story to get it back on track then so be it. IT WAS WORTH IT!!!!!

[MidgardDragon]

I love all these opinions toted as facts. It's like walking into the group of most self-centered people ever.

My *opinion* is that the Season Finale was good, but not the best in the series. It definitely was a lot better the second time I watched it. That's not a fact, that's just how I feel. And I didn't use all capitals for any of those words, because my opinion doesn't have to be force-fed to you using shouts that try to convince you my way is the only way.

Unlike others.

[Chesay]

The finale was entertaining to me and I enjoyed it because I finally gave up on Smallville living up to what I considered to be its potential. Lex as Zod may not have been ideal but it was interesting, especially since last year we had Lex just sitting around and any activity he had was via text messaging. At least this way we got to see MR act which for me was an improvement over last season. Numerous posters wanted Zod last year and Brainiac as well, so at least TPTB heard that much of what was said. Lana, for me, is a nagging irritant to be overlooked. I find her character to be hopeless at this point having no continuity even within the series itself. Having said that, I enjoyed the Lionel character development and even though I find it hard to swallow that Martha would be so close to him after Jonathan's death, the actors are so good together that I overlook that too.

The action was nonstop and if the reasoning for the characters' behavior was not so murky it would have been really phenomenal. Chloe and Lionel have made the season for me.

If the whole season had worked with the mythology it would have been a stronger more enjoyable season for me. Any episode that worked on the mythos seemed to have more merit.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Lt. Madmax
Hey I care about Smallville as well, Not good story tellers, all they did was count it as a failed attempt at bringing Zod over. Did it dramatically change where Smallville was going with the Story, I don't think so. They are by no means bad storywriters, yes it is "cool" cause in the end it works, and we're all left wondering where will go from here, the Smallville kid is gone, now it's time it get stepped up a notch and if making a minor change in the story to get it back on track then so be it. IT WAS WORTH IT!!!!!

A story full of plot holes and retconnings to me is lazy writing. "Lexod" falls to the same category of "Jason lightswitch".

[ImInVinceible]

I thought this episode was great. I mean yeah its unresolved but in five years when has the SF not ended on a cliffhanger!? Its tradition by now and it makes the premier that much better.

one thing ill criticize is that if you're gonna throw a man headfirst, a hundred mph, into a windshield he probably shouldn't just roll off of it with anything less than a broken neck!
(I mean at least have the man be unconscious for the remainder of the ep. or something)

[tygershot]

Awesome finale!! Best one yet!!!

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

The only statement that the writers of this show are making, especially with this finale, is that this is THEIR world, THEIR Smallvilles, their version of Superman.

Personally I don't like it ( their version) that much, it has it great moments and had some very interesting points of views ( the Clark - Lex dynamic, the "who is Jor-El" thing, the native american tie in with the mythology of good and evil and how Lex saw it...), and its had its jsut plain silly thinsg like more Kryptonite in Smallville than on Krypton !

I am curious to see how they close it off, but every season has made the clear message of who Superman is and how he becomes SUperman a little more muddier and complex.

Nevertheless, the potential for great storylines still lumes on the horizon and I am a sukcer for lost causes ;)

As for this Finale...not impressed at all, BUt I can see it more as a lead in for a ground breaking Season 6.

I hope.

[CallMeClark]

Vessel has made it into my Top 10. That episode was just AMAZING!

How will he be released?

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Vessel has made it into my Top 10. That episode was just AMAZING!

How will he be released?

I don't know man. It is cool that you liked it so much. I have learned to tolerate a lot from Smallville. Even excpect it nowadays. But I still can't get over them having Zod inhabit Lex. The least they could have done is hire an actor to play Zod himself. The fact that Zod wanted Lana made it even worse for me. It had stuff that I liked and Clark in the PZ is a good cliffhanger. I just can't get over the Lod story angle. It is too lame.

Then to top things off, you know that Lex will forget everything once it all goes back to normal. The memory loss angle is what drives me the most crazy about the writing staff. They are too lazy to come up with solid arcs, so they feel the need to tease a reveal to generate interest. Then when they realize that Lex, Lana, or whoever else can't know the truth, they just wipe the slate clean and go back to business as usual.

It is really frustrating on the viewers. I for one am just tired of being teased. Like I said in a previous post of mine - Smallville is like a trip to Las Vegas in the sense that you never hit paydirt. You can come close and are often given hope, but in the end you always wind up broke.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
The only statement that the writers of this show are making, especially with this finale, is that this is THEIR world, THEIR Smallvilles, their version of Superman.

And not only one, but TWO versions of Smallville, one where Zod is alive in Phantom Zone (Solitude) and one where is dead (Vessel). That's great. :rolleyes:

I blame Clark, he never should had played with time-travel in Reckoning. This is what happens, you mess with the f-ing timeline. Too bad he hasn't a DeLorean to fix it back. :\

[margroks]

I loved it but, as I so often complain, it was too short. It actually ran two minutes over and I don't knowe if it was due to the extensive flashbacks at the beginning or the Superman Returns trailer but if it was gonna be long then it should have been another half hour or even an hour long. This is the first year I haven't moaned about wanting a long finale and maybe I should have complained again! There was so much going on and it could have been a long finale like last year at the very least.

As long as the basics are adhered to, like Clark having powers and the morality that Superman has, even if he has to struggle with his decisions, as he did last night, then changes in the mythos can be good. Yes they screwed up with Clark sleeping with Lana a girl he didn't trust and thinking no powers equaled being normal and that Jor-El was done with him. That made him appear really stupid and lacking in the common sense Clark should always have. They screwed up with killing jonathan because you become a man by accepting your responsibilities and your destiny not becasue your father dies. These people don't always succeed but last night they did.

We saw people at their best and worst. Even Lois, whom I do not like because she lacks those essential characteristics that a real Lois should have, still tried to save herself and Martha even though she failed. Lana, once again showed us her worst side, never expressing any concern whatsoever about Chloe's safety but instead running only to hook up with Lex. Metropolis is burning around her and she appears to have no concern for anything but that. Her lack of trust and faith in Clark who, though they've broken up, has saved her ass too many times for her to act that way and her words, which she pointedly used to twist the knife in Clark, were uncalled for. Why he ever thought he lover her remains a mystery.

I might add that good rarely comes of being in a LuthorCorp jet. Just saying.

Yes, Clark screwed up but he was actually trying to fulfill Jor-El's instructions while saving the life of his former friend. Yes, Lex is weak morally and clearly shares that weakness since she so easily falls in with him.

Lionel really seems to be on the side of good at this point and it may be his last act to save Chloe or possibly to help her save Clark. He's obviously in ill health and I suspect, thought this is no spoiler, will not survive.

And Chloe...sending Clark off into a fearsome battle from which neither one of them might survive...gotta love that long overdue kiss. And the moment where Clark picks up the phone, a moment of Superman becoming, was great. This was a great finale overall and I just WISH it had been a lot longer. Smallville has a habit of rushing things and this was no exception. Now why they chose to add another hour and use the ultra lame Aquaman right after such a stupendous finale is inexplicable.

[xrayvision]

They chose Aquaman obviously to promote the upcoming series.

I'm going to say it now. I don't care about an Aquaman show and will never watch it, especially after it is being done at the expense of my favorite show in a long time--Smallville. I don't know how stupid they can be to think that an Aquaman show will last. I give it a year or less. If a Superman related show is doing so badly in ratings, do they really think Aquaman will be a ratings hog?

[rundstedt2001]

I will keep it short, since most have been covered in here:

A week ago, I was so amazed by "Oracle" that I just couldnt wait for the season final!!! Boy oh boy, what a f..... TOTAL,TOTAL,TOTAL LET DOWN....the only season final dissapointment I have ever had!
Come to think of it, Oracle hasnt anything to do with it! This season final just SUCKED BIG TIME!

Zod being Lex or whatever???(couldnt they have changed his voice for godsake?....so lame!)

Chloe kissing Clark???(he looked really pleased),

Martha and Lois crashing with an airplane(dont think they will survive!!?.. ...duh),

The world going under???(very realistic portraited in this episode)

Clark trapped forever???(...NOT)

Cliffhangers???.....Dont think so!

I am just so disappointed!

I think Oracle should have been the season final!

P.S I know, it wasnt that short ;)

[SuperGary452]

IT WAS AMAZING!!!! I loved it. I can't wait to find out how Clark gets free, how Zod is defeated/Lex is freed, how Fine/Braniac is stopped (at least for a time; although, maybe he isn't because of that spoiler earlier in the year that he might be a regular next season), how the world is saved, and on a much lesser extent how Martha and Lois/Chloe and Lionel do. Next season, whether it's the show's last or not, is going to ROCK! I just hope for the show's sake the ratings get better.

-gary

[rundstedt2001]

Gary, how can u find these socalled cliffhangers amazing, when u allready know what will happen? (Zod is defeated,Fine is stopped, Clark escapes,Martha/Lois Suvives and so on)

Thats sucky cliffhangers man!

But Iam not just disappointed by the cliffhangers(or lack of it), but also by the episode writing and the editing! It just didnt have the amazing feel "Oracle" had!

[xrayvision]

That's why the Covenant cliffhangers were the best (though they royally screwed up in Crusade & Gone).

[rundstedt2001]

exactly xray!!!!

[Daphne]

I liked it. It had a lot of the Superman stuff in it.

[claymore18]

The episode was shi$

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I don't know man. It is cool that you liked it so much. I have learned to tolerate a lot from Smallville. Even excpect it nowadays. But I still can't get over them having Zod inhabit Lex. The least they could have done is hire an actor to play Zod himself. The fact that Zod wanted Lana made it even worse for me. It had stuff that I liked and Clark in the PZ is a good cliffhanger. I just can't get over the Lod story angle. It is too lame.

Then to top things off, you know that Lex will forget everything once it all goes back to normal. The memory loss angle is what drives me the most crazy about the writing staff. They are too lazy to come up with solid arcs, so they feel the need to tease a reveal to generate interest. Then when they realize that Lex, Lana, or whoever else can't know the truth, they just wipe the slate clean and go back to business as usual.

It is really frustrating on the viewers. I for one am just tired of being teased. Like I said in a previous post of mine - Smallville is like a trip to Las Vegas in the sense that you never hit paydirt. You can come close and are often given hope, but in the end you always wind up broke.

So true, Im thinking TPTB were backed into a corner last minute and had to change the Zod story. Im feeling they had an actor all set to go and at the last minute they were forced to change it Rules handed down from above saying they couldn't show Zod. So they went with plan B. Its been said they rewrote the script last minute.

[boywithbluehanger]

i thought it was a decent season finale for SV. hey guys dont forget we mainly watch the

- seires: mainly for clark and lex's evolution.

- each season: for extensive clana breakup/make-up (what pete famously referred to as the "yo-yo game with lana":D)

- season finale: for expendable characters' questionable return the following season ;)

just remember, since S3 chloe has been getting screwed over in finales

[rundstedt2001]

Originally posted by warriorrenegade
So true, Im thinking TPTB were backed into a corner last minute and had to change the Zod story. Im feeling they had an actor all set to go and at the last minute they were forced to change it Rules handed down from above saying they couldn't show Zod. So they went with plan B. Its been said they rewrote the script last minute.

AND people really like this episode??? Last minute rewrite, changing roles.....

No wonder the final sucked! It had all the potential.....arghhhhhh!

Edit: "boywithbluehanger", dont tell me why I should watch Smallville, okay?

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by SuperGary452
IT WAS AMAZING!!!! I loved it. I can't wait to find out how Clark gets free, how Zod is defeated/Lex is freed, how Fine/Braniac is stopped (at least for a time; although, maybe he isn't because of that spoiler earlier in the year that he might be a regular next season), how the world is saved, and on a much lesser extent how Martha and Lois/Chloe and Lionel do. Next season, whether it's the show's last or not, is going to ROCK! I just hope for the show's sake the ratings get better.

-gary EXACTLY! I agree. It was the best cliffhanger season finale yet. I loved the imagery of Zod/Lex standing over the masses of rioting people. Clark being thrown into the Phantom Zone was perfect. It seemed to be moving Clark more into the Superman aspect of his life. It had action and suspense. I LOVED IT!

Its the best episode I've seen in a long while.

[rundstedt2001]

And who paid you DreadShamus?

:)

[Donnie Brasco]

It was ok and nothing special. Since when has Zod cared about any human life . Oh I forgot the pink princess has to be queen of all things in smallville. What a load of crap.

Zod alive in solitude and dead in vessel. Um wth? Make up your mind writers.

[Watching Smallville]

I had the same problems with this episode that I've had since Reckoning. I really like the big picture that they're painting -- Zod free, Clark in the Phantom Zone, Lana not knowing who Lex is -- all that is really good. Love it with Zod at the end looking over the chaos.

My problems are always with the small stuff. Why the riot? The more I think about it, the more it bothers me. It's dumb. And unnecessary. there's enough other stuff going on. And it's disorienting. It looks like a political uprising. Now if people were infected w/ the virus, it would make sense. But instead they make it because of a blackout? Give me a break.

What's with the knife -- I'm confused.

Clark was meant to be the Vessel -- love that story idea. We got 2 seconds of it.

Why is Fine flying the Luthor plane?

A car comes through the Planet window -- so random.

Stuff like this takes away from the main story and annoys me.

I wish they would focus. Delve into the main story more. All this other business just creates unnecessary confusion and criticsm.

My vote -- it could have been better.

[Michael_Corvin]

i like the final..my problem is just always had when clark beat his enemies during one episode.....what if i will be right again...clark will beat Zod...in one episode..thats really nonsense..i wanna see finally a really good fight...It was too short with lex

[smallvilleobsessor17]

I thought that this was the worst episode of Smallville to date, beating even S5 "Aqua" and S1 "Heat." I know that Smallville is terribly corny anyways, and that's part of the reason why I watch the show, but this was just HORRIBLE!!! Last year, my heart was beating with excitement so quickly that I thought it would burst, and this year I felt absolutely no excitement at all.

To start with, all of this Lexana really burned my eyes. And what was up with Lana's skimpy outfit? The special effects were some of the phoniest things that I have ever witnessed. Also, "Vessel" was totally predictable. I don't even know what the worst part of it was.

Was it the fact that people wouldn't riot over power loss, and yet TPTB put that pathetic part in? Or the fact that it was obvious that Zod would be released? Or that Martha and Lois will of course be eventually saved?

And don't even get me started on that end scene with Clark stuck in that little box thing. I was on the phone with thmallville, and we couldn't stop laughing. It was just... so BAD!!! There's no other way to explain this whole episode!!!!

This was even more terrible than many of the filler episodes!!!

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by rundstedt2001
"boywithbluehanger", dont tell me why I should watch Smallville, okay?

i wont bother to dignify this with a response....wait, that was a response....it would appear this season of smallville has stupified me

[rundstedt2001]

Dont blame the season and this episode...

Maybe u are STUPIFIED by Oprah, Dr. Phil, Letterman, Leno, Oprah, "American society", Oprah, Ellen, The Morning shows, CNN, and Oprah!

P.S Dont tell me what I should think about Smallville Boywithbluehanger!(repeat)

[kayladie]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Smallville is like a trip to Las Vegas in the sense that you never hit paydirt. You can come close and are often given hope, but in the end you always wind up broke.

I don't agree with you, but that is a really cool analogy! :)


It seems like most everyone either loved or loathed this episode, and I find that so interesting that different people can see the same thing and see it in such different ways.

As for me, I liked the episode very much, but then I've only been watching the show since last November, and I'm still very much obsessed with it.

There were a few things that annoyed me:

I, too, wanted to see an actual Zod, and not Zex.

I wish that the fight between Lex and Clark had been longer.

I really wanted Zex to, if not toss Lana over the edge of the building, at least smack her down while saying "Kneel before Zod!"

I am hoping that we'll get to see some of these things resolved in the next season and not just neatly wrapped up in the premiere.

And while I loved the Chlark kiss, I really hope that they don't end up as a couple, because I love Chloe and I only see heartache ahead for her in that scenario. What I would love is for her to realize that she is indeed over Clark and then TPTB let her have her own love interest so that everything in her life doesn't revolve around Clark Kent.

All in all, I was very satisfied with the whole of the fifth season and I can't wait to see what season six will have in store for us. Heck, I love Smallville so much, I'm holding out hope for a season seven!!

[DarthRageFist]

Here's what I posted on another message board about the finale:

I found it odd that even though there was a complete power outage in Metropolis the phones and radios still worked.

Wow, what a terribly directed episode. This is without a shadow of a doubt the worst Smallville season finale ever.

In a season finale you should end the episode at the climax. There should be no falling action. The climax of this episode was Clark being thrown into the phantom zone. The episode should have ended right there and this finale would've been much better than it was.

But what do we get after that? Stock footage of riots that was so obvious it was hilarious, Zod kissing Lana (why was this scene even in the episode?), and Lionel and Chloe getting attacked by a mob of people (it's obvious that they'll be okay so why did we have to see that?). Was I the only one who wanted Zod to throw Lana off of the roof? Now that would've been a great scene.

And Zod being on the loose is not climactic at all. Why? Zod has not done anything yet! He's just standing around. Why should I be afraid that he's free when I have not been shown why he's so terrible? If making out with Lana's all he's going to do then I think the world has nothing to fear from him.

And the Chloe kissing Clark scene made me want to throw something across the room. Not only is it the ultimate cliche but this is, once again, territory that's already been explored. Bold new direction? Yeah right.

Season finales are supposed to make you excited about the next season. While part of me hopes it will improve, I'm already dreading season 6.

[DECKASTYLE]

I thought that the episode last night was the best plot, setting, etc. The only bad thing about the episode was that we have to wait until next season:( I wish they would have made it like last season's finale (1 1/2 hours long). To wrap the episode up in one word...MAGNIFICANT or INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!

[rundstedt2001]

DarthrageFirst!, can U read my mind or am I just a foul person!!?? :)

U are just so right in all your points! To put it straight, this episode left me almost cold!

As I have done before, Oracle should have been the final!

:)

[DarthRageFist]

Originally posted by rundstedt2001
DarthrageFirst!, can U read my mind or am I just a foul person!!?? :)

U are just so right in all your points! To put it straight, this episode left me almost cold!

Are you a foul person? Nope. It's just that great minds think alike.

Yeah, this finale failed to excite me for season 6. I'm praying that the writers can bail themselves out of this blunder but I might be giving them too much credit.

Either the writing on this show is getting progressively worse or I'm just getting so used to the excellent writing on LOST that the writing on Smallville just seems a lot worse. Maybe it's both.

[smchic92]

I don't knw why everyone on here seems to hate this episode. I personally LOVED IT!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :) But, I understand you all can have your opinons so i'll leave it at that. I so can't wait for next season! And I agree with what kayladie said: "All in all, I was very satisfied with the whole of the fifth season and I can't wait to see what season six will have in store for us. Heck, I love Smallville so much, I'm holding out hope for a season seven!!"


^ Couldn't have said it better myself! :)

[jackieTHEjokeman]

I really wish it was a two hour episode....oh well. It was fantastic.

[Absentee]

TVSquad.com (http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/05/12/smallville-vessel-finale/) better explains the finale for Smallville.

One thing that cracked me up:

"Plus, I'm so over Chloe at this point. She needs to just explode in a horrible freak disaster or become a lesbian.

LMFAO.

[dhacker615]

I have re-thought the subject of 'Vessel' a bit, I like the episode better this morning than I did immediately after seeing it. To me, 'Smallville' has over-used several devices over the years. Those are:
1. The mind-wipe (or time reversal, or whatever) that acts to undo big events and return things to the status quo.
2. The alien spore, or Kryptonian artifact or whatever that causes one of the principal actors to behave like they are a completely different person.
3. Giving one of the 'normal' cast members temporary powers. That is doubly true if they are exactly the same powers that Clark has, since we see that super-speed effect a lot already.

Since the "Lex is possessed by Zod" plotline has the potential to be a triple, I was pretty annoyed once I saw that was where you were going. That said, there was more to like than dislike and the episode has grown on me a bit.

On the Clark-Chloe kiss: That was really well done, well paced and needed. Superman always had a girlfriend between Lana and Lois, but Lori Lemaris the mermaid was probably the weakest link in the comics. Chloe is a much stronger and more developed character. The show seems to work better when Clark has a love interest and Chloe is the best candidate. One request, please no "are they or aren't they" followed by "will they or won't they". After four and half years of Clark and Lana, it would be better if you settled that they are and they do early in Season 6.

On what Lex and Brainiac: Probably my biggest frustration as a viewer aside from the three listed above is how "Smaville" feels more like a brainstorming session for a truly great show than the show itself. There are a lot of great ideas and amazing set pieces that rarely add together to become a bigger whole. When I heard that James Marsters had been cast as Brainiac, I assumed that wouldn't be true of Season 5. While it was clearly better, the finale did not have the feeling of an evil master plan coming together. Why did Jor-El give Clark what became the key to releasing Zod without telling him? I understand that Fine knew from "Oracle" that Clark wouldn't kill Lex, but how did he know Clark would use the knife on him?

On Clark and Lana: That was perfect. Honestly, Lana has always been focused primarily on her romantic relationships. She has always judged people differently depending upon the state of their relationship. Of course, she would be loyal to Lex over Clark. In season 6, I am really hoping for a "Bluebeard's Closet" moment where Lana realizes that she is in way over head.

On Lex and Lana: I am not sure what happened, but the chemistry between the actors is way off. They have had great moments in the past, but their romantic scenes have just been awful. That said, Lana reacting with sheer terror to what happened to Lex was the highlight last night. I would have rather she had the "you're one of them!" moment with Clark. With his connection to the meteor shower that killed her parents, it is a moment that I think a lot of people have been waiting for.

On Martha, Lois and Lionel: One of my favorite dynamics in the first couple seasons was the contrast between the rich, powerful Luthors and the financial worries of the Kents as family farmers. It was a rich vein of material, since it suggested that maybe Clark and Lex would not mind trading lives. The State Senate campaign followed by Martha as Senator has blown up that dynamic. This is made worse by Lionel's "generous" feelings toward Martha. Injecting Lois into the situation is an even bigger mistake. With Clark, Lex and Lois absolutely everybody watching the show has a firm idea of where they end up. Any deviation from that fate is going to be "wrong". That impression is only going to be re-inforced by a certain feature film this summer. The interesting stuff is how Lois becomes the character with which we are all familiar. Her detour thorugh politics feels like a waste of time. What I want is to see how Lois becomes the type of person who would get involved in a two-person love triangle.

On the other hand, nice cliffhanger on the plane. I love the use of Fine in random places. It is creepy.

On Season 6: Ideally, it would feel like major themes from prior seasons were adding up. For example, Lana killed someone when possesed by Isobel at the end of Season 4. I'm assuming that Lex is protecting her somehow, but what if they break-up? Oh, and why was the tatoo on her back from the Kiwatchee caves anyway? If the Kryptonians (or someone else, like the Legion of Super-Heroes) were travelling through time to prepare for Clark's arrival, how does that relate someone burned at the stake for witchcraft? You get the idea.

On a similar vein, Lex spends an awful lot of time appearing to make plans that rarely come to much. He was researching the Kiwatchee caves for a year and learned nothing much. He looked for the artifacts for a year and just gave up. I mean, it is not like he knows Clark used the elements to create the Fortress of Solitude. He is sort of a pathetic criminal mastermind in training at this point. The one clever thing that he seemed to be doing was collecting meteor freaks on Level 33.1, but nothing came of that. Lex has had five years to prepare what he apparently believes is an alien invasion. Shouldn't he have a plan for dealing with it by now?

Finally, Clark pretty much needs a traditional six-stage super-hero (per Hal Blythe and Charlie Sweet) arc about now. You know: 1) A menace too powerful for society to handle is introduced, 2) The superhero appears, 3) The pursuit begins, 4) Confrontation(s) between superhero and super villain occurs, 5) Victory is achieved through the superhero’s intelligence, and 6) Order is restored. It would be nice it was both scary and occupied him for more than half the season.

[dezperado]

One of the greatest episodes. What a way to finish S5

[justsuper]

I really liked it - stronger than most of Season 5's episode - except for earlier in the season - which was terrific. I think the writing and directing generally falls so short - so am usually disappointed. But I love the actors and the idea of Smallville itself - so I keep watching. I really wanted Lex Luthor to start making his moral or immoral choices. Now, he's going to be Zod - which means he's evil. So, at least for now, we're not going to see Lex make the immoral choice we know he inevitably does. Seems to be the easy way out for the writers. And, really, Lex isn't making that many immoral choices now - in fact he seems to be doing alot of good things. So what's up? Also, probably by next season will he forget pretty much everything again because he was Zod - hate that...no character development. And Lana's absolute disloyalty towards Clark - out of left field. They haven't laid the proper foundation for her to just jump into his arms and accept everything at face value. Lazy writing again. Still...I really liked the episode - despite the inconsistencies. Maybe I'm just used to the inconsistencies.

[Raul Rigel]

Originally posted by dhacker615
I have re-thought the subject of 'Vessel' a bit, I like the episode better this morning than I did immediately after seeing it. To me, 'Smallville' has over-used several devices over the years. Those are:
1. The mind-wipe (or time reversal, or whatever) that acts to undo big events and return things to the status quo.
2. The alien spore, or Kryptonian artifact or whatever that causes one of the principal actors to behave like they are a completely different person.
3. Giving one of the 'normal' cast members temporary powers. That is doubly true if they are exactly the same powers that Clark has, since we see that super-speed effect a lot already.

Since the "Lex is possessed by Zod" plotline has the potential to be a triple, I was pretty annoyed once I saw that was where you were going. That said, there was more to like than dislike and the episode has grown on me a bit.

On the Clark-Chloe kiss: That was really well done, well paced and needed. Superman always had a girlfriend between Lana and Lois, but Lori Lemaris the mermaid was probably the weakest link in the comics. Chloe is a much stronger and more developed character. The show seems to work better when Clark has a love interest and Chloe is the best candidate. One request, please no "are they or aren't they" followed by "will they or won't they". After four and half years of Clark and Lana, it would be better if you settled that they are and they do early in Season 6.

On what Lex and Brainiac: Probably my biggest frustration as a viewer aside from the three listed above is how "Smaville" feels more like a brainstorming session for a truly great show than the show itself. There are a lot of great ideas and amazing set pieces that rarely add together to become a bigger whole. When I heard that James Marsters had been cast as Brainiac, I assumed that wouldn't be true of Season 5. While it was clearly better, the finale did not have the feeling of an evil master plan coming together. Why did Jor-El give Clark what became the key to releasing Zod without telling him? I understand that Fine knew from "Oracle" that Clark wouldn't kill Lex, but how did he know Clark would use the knife on him?

On Clark and Lana: That was perfect. Honestly, Lana has always been focused primarily on her romantic relationships. She has always judged people differently depending upon the state of their relationship. Of course, she would be loyal to Lex over Clark. In season 6, I am really hoping for a "Bluebeard's Closet" moment where Lana realizes that she is in way over head.

On Lex and Lana: I am not sure what happened, but the chemistry between the actors is way off. They have had great moments in the past, but their romantic scenes have just been awful. That said, Lana reacting with sheer terror to what happened to Lex was the highlight last night. I would have rather she had the "you're one of them!" moment with Clark. With his connection to the meteor shower that killed her parents, it is a moment that I think a lot of people have been waiting for.

On Martha, Lois and Lionel: One of my favorite dynamics in the first couple seasons was the contrast between the rich, powerful Luthors and the financial worries of the Kents as family farmers. It was a rich vein of material, since it suggested that maybe Clark and Lex would not mind trading lives. The State Senate campaign followed by Martha as Senator has blown up that dynamic. This is made worse by Lionel's "generous" feelings toward Martha. Injecting Lois into the situation is an even bigger mistake. With Clark, Lex and Lois absolutely everybody watching the show has a firm idea of where they end up. Any deviation from that fate is going to be "wrong". That impression is only going to be re-inforced by a certain feature film this summer. The interesting stuff is how Lois becomes the character with which we are all familiar. Her detour thorugh politics feels like a waste of time. What I want is to see how Lois becomes the type of person who would get involved in a two-person love triangle.

On the other hand, nice cliffhanger on the plane. I love the use of Fine in random places. It is creepy.

On Season 6: Ideally, it would feel like major themes from prior seasons were adding up. For example, Lana killed someone when possesed by Isobel at the end of Season 4. I'm assuming that Lex is protecting her somehow, but what if they break-up? Oh, and why was the tatoo on her back from the Kiwatchee caves anyway? If the Kryptonians (or someone else, like the Legion of Super-Heroes) were travelling through time to prepare for Clark's arrival, how does that relate someone burned at the stake for witchcraft? You get the idea.

On a similar vein, Lex spends an awful lot of time appearing to make plans that rarely come to much. He was researching the Kiwatchee caves for a year and learned nothing much. He looked for the artifacts for a year and just gave up. I mean, it is not like he knows Clark used the elements to create the Fortress of Solitude. He is sort of a pathetic criminal mastermind in training at this point. The one clever thing that he seemed to be doing was collecting meteor freaks on Level 33.1, but nothing came of that. Lex has had five years to prepare what he apparently believes is an alien invasion. Shouldn't he have a plan for dealing with it by now?

Finally, Clark pretty much needs a traditional six-stage super-hero (per Hal Blythe and Charlie Sweet) arc about now. You know: 1) A menace too powerful for society to handle is introduced, 2) The superhero appears, 3) The pursuit begins, 4) Confrontation(s) between superhero and super villain occurs, 5) Victory is achieved through the superhero’s intelligence, and 6) Order is restored. It would be nice it was both scary and occupied him for more than half the season.


on point

[Aquila]

meh...
the only thing that amazed me about this eppy was john glover's performance:
(Clark to Lionel: "Even if that life is your son?")
the reaction on his face was as close as you can come to true emotions. kudos to mr Glover, not really so to the writers

[TomWellingLover122]

What did yall think of the episode! I THOUGHT IT WAS AWESOME!, especially the chaos in Metropilous and Chlark's kiss!:)

[Joelito]

It Could've Been Better =/

Well... I think that Oracle was more exciting than Vessel :\

In general...was good..bur not good enough to be a THE season finally :(

[Mr. Small]

I thought the episode was pretty good, especially on second viewing. The acting and writing was as good as Smallville gets.

It just didn't quite pull together. It seems like things weren't done quite right in the postproduction/editing stages. Bits of the show fell a little flat, and the pacing was imperfect.

Oh well, here's to season six.

[Tacosupes]

It seems all the girls hated Vessel and loved commencement.

Commencement sucked. There were no fights, ClarK couldn't even get the stones without help. Chloe had to drag him across the room . Also the special effects sucked in commencement there was only one so so shot of lana in the helicopter dodging meteors and that was it, for 90 freaking minutes. Dumb Clark didnt fly, stop the meteors or save Lana from Lex's so called help. All he did was go on vacation to the north pole while everyone else gets pelted with space rocks.

To say vessel was dumb because Clark's an idiot, Clarks ALWAYS a BDA , what's your point? How is that different from every episode.

AS for Lana, she made Clark wait 5 years before she gave him some, Im sure LEx will get impatient and bolt. Yeah they were sleeoping on the couch together, but they had their clothes on, right? Only why is Chloe kissing Clark ? here I thought she grew up and let go of that crush. Clark needs to get on the ball and get an upgrade from Lana to LOis. NOW we're talking. Or put Shannon Elizabeth on the show as Wonder Woman, and let him get some of that. That'd work.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Tacosupes
It seems all the girls hated Vessel and loved commencement.

Commencement sucked. There were no fights, ClarK couldn't even get the stones without help. Chloe had to drag him across the room . Also the special effects sucked in commencement there was only one so so shot of lana in the helicopter dodging meteors and that was it, for 90 freaking minutes. Dumb Clark didnt fly, stop the meteors or save Lana from Lex's so called help. All he did was go on vacation to the north pole while everyone else gets pelted with space rocks.

To say vessel was dumb because Clark's an idiot, Clarks ALWAYS a BDA , what's your point? How is that different from every episode.

AS for Lana, she made Clark wait 5 years before she gave him some, Im sure LEx will get impatient and bolt. Yeah they were sleeoping on the couch together, but they had their clothes on, right? Only why is Chloe kissing Clark ? here I thought she grew up and let go of that crush. Clark needs to get on the ball and get an upgrade from Lana to LOis. NOW we're talking. Or put Shannon Elizabeth on the show as Wonder Woman, and let him get some of that. That'd work.

Umm, I'm a guy and I loved Commencement and hated Vessel. The special effects were awesome and were nominated for something or other for them.

Vessel wasn't dumb because Clark's dumb. It was shoddy, three year old writing.

[tw190]

I voted it could have been better. I liked it, but it was nothing like Commencement, IMO.


Originally posted by Mr. Small
I thought the episode was pretty good, especially on second viewing. The acting and writing was as good as Smallville gets.

It just didn't quite pull together. It seems like things weren't done quite right in the postproduction/editing stages. Bits of the show fell a little flat, and the pacing was imperfect.

Oh well, here's to season six.

^ Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say. :)

[DarthRageFist]

Originally posted by Mr. Small
I thought the episode was pretty good, especially on second viewing. The acting and writing was as good as Smallville gets.

It just didn't quite pull together. It seems like things weren't done quite right in the postproduction/editing stages. Bits of the show fell a little flat, and the pacing was imperfect.

Oh well, here's to season six.

I totally agree with you about the postproduction/editing stages. I'd even take it a step further and say the directing was pretty terrible.

It was a very sloppy episode. It had a "thown together at the last minute" feel. It just felt like the staff no longer cares about Smallville.

I hope I'm wrong and Smallville rebounds in season 6. Still, I've really had enough of these half great/half terrible seasons. I really hope that season 6 is the final season for that very reason.

[Tacosupes]

You Guys are crazy. What was so great about commencement?

Somebody tell me that. The only part I liked about commencement was the first five minutes, where Jor El is like, "The fate of the world is in your hands KAl EL".

then what does the BDA do for the next 85 minutes? Have stupid talks with his parents and Lana for the umpteenth time and accomplish nothing. He didn't find the stones in time, and he didn't do anything to help with the meteor shower. I thought he was going to be flying and punching meteors out of the sky. The only good thing was the fortress of solitude precursor in the end.

You say the riots sucked in Vessel? well the evacuation sucked in commencement. And last time I checked when helicopters crash they EXPLODE, not just leak oil so you can crawl out at a snails pace. For sxeason five there were only TWO crappy episodes, EXPOSED and FANATIC. The rest were great. Season for had Like 15 crappy episodes. There is NO comparison of the two seasons. Kelly sounders and brian petterson are great writers and they did some of the better episodes of Season 2, when the show used to really rule.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Tacosupes
You Guys are crazy. What was so great about commencement?

Somebody tell me that. The only part I liked about commencement was the first five minutes, where Jor El is like, "The fate of the world is in your hands KAl EL".

then what does the BDA do for the next 85 minutes? Have stupid talks with his parents and Lana for the umpteenth time and accomplish nothing. He didn't find the stones in time, and he didn't do anything to help with the meteor shower. I thought he was going to be flying and punching meteors out of the sky. The only good thing was the fortress of solitude precursor in the end.

You say the riots sucked in Vessel? well the evacuation sucked in commencement. And last time I checked when helicopters crash they EXPLODE, not just leak oil so you can crawl out at a snails pace. For sxeason five there were only TWO crappy episodes, EXPOSED and FANATIC. The rest were great. Season for had Like 15 crappy episodes. There is NO comparison of the two seasons. Kelly sounders and brian petterson are great writers and they did some of the better episodes of Season 2, when the show used to really rule.

Umm, everyone has an opinion, don't get defensive.

I think that most of the episodes of season five sucked and was the worst season. I thought Commencement was exciting. Different opinions, oh well.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I agree w/ you. I think either S5's or S4's finale was the best.

[canon]

I loved it ! I've watched it 4 times already. I think I'll watch it again later tonite. :-)

Can't wait for season 6 already

[mario masta]

I went with GREAT!. Some scenes were a bit over-the-top (even for Smallville.) The Kryptonian knife magically releasing Zod when it stabbed Fine? Zod taking over Lex? The mass rioting just because the power went out? Lana? :confused:

I did enjoy the Chlark kiss and Clark being trapped in the Phantom Zone though. :D

Last year's finale is still my favorite.

[katt12]

I'm just going to go simple and say I loved it.

[seraphim]

I was hoping this season ended on a high note, but it ended as SV finales do...with us fans left hanging! Although I thoroughly enjoyed the episode there were also a few disappointments, however: Basically I didn't like the fact that they made the viewers think we were going to have a 2 hr finale but, of course I should have known better because something like that is usually done to keep people watching. Also, as usual I was upset at the Lexana factor(I cannot help it, but everytime they are shown together it makes me cringe!) And the line that Lana said to Clark about "I don't know how I ever loved you" was a bit surprising! Why would you say that to someone who has only been protecting you? I can understand being angry because he was never straight with her but to say something like that is pretty harsh. Again, they have made Lana's character unlikeable and I really hate that. There was also the scene with Lex pushing Lionel and he crashes into the windshield of a car. Come on now, with that amount of force, you should either be dead or severely injured and Lionel just has a few scratches!? However this is Smallville; anyway my fav scene was when Chloe kissed Clark! I was like, "all right!" I loved how that was done. Towards the end, though I didn't quite understand why Clark took off or was pulled(I don't know which) after the ring thingy? I was thinking that maybe he thought it was something that would destroy the earth and that's why he flew after it? Maybe someone can explain that one to me? Anyhoo, the action scenes were good and it did keep me glued to the tube; so I'll give it a thumbs up!

[I am the Superman]

My takes

Lana sleeping on lex? are u kidding me? once again the show makes it seem as if these two have been together for years... rediculous.

Memo to lana, dont come crying to chloe, no one cares about you or lex anymore.

If lex is zods vessel, then wtf would anyone have a problem killing lex? infact, shouldnt clark enjoy it?

If lex hit lionel that hard, the impact would have killed him instantly.

Wow, when lex said, how can i keep somthign like this from the person i love most, it really sticks a dagger in everyone that liked clana,,,,

Why would lana tell lex clarks going to kill him?

Which one am i willing to sacrifice? hmmm lex....k...now go kill him...

Oh, hey, screw u lana, ive done more for you then ull ever imagine, so go on, go off and die, you traitor.

That chloe clark kiss was a nice moment,

wooo, milton driving the airplane, wtf howed he find out they were on the plane? and why?

YA! GTF BACK LEX, U POS

WTF why would that open the portal for zod?

WTF HAPPEND TO CLARK?

WOW LANA YOUR AN IDIOT...

WOOO CLARKS IN THE PHANTOM ZONE, SHIZNET. I sense some help coming clarks way.

Pretty freeking good episode, the whole thing had a movie feel to it, it just shows how good this show could be if every episode was given the time this was was given.

Is anyone with me when i say premiers and finales should be 2hrs long?

I give it 4.5 out of 5, and i hardly ever do that,.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Daphne
I liked it. It had a lot of the Superman stuff in it.




Daphne I love your posts. Always short and to the point.:)


Originally posted by Tacosupes
Kelly sounders and brian petterson are great writers and they did some of the better episodes of Season 2, when the show used to really rule.


I dont really like Sounders and Peterson, I feel they are way too into Lana. But season 2 was defenitly the good 'ol days.

[Philster]

Well on the whole, I really enjoyed it. It had the typical ending of what's going to happen to everyone.

However, there were a few points that I didn't like. First of all, General Zod. What happened to his body? In the movies, he was still in his body so to have his spirit sucked out of him and put into the Phantom Zone didn't work for me. Which brings me to my next point, Clark being sucked into the Phantom Zone. No, I don't buy that and also in his full state body spirit and all and Zod doesn't. Where is Ursa and Non? Was disappointed in that. Lana going with Lex is rubbish too. Nice to see Chloe and Clark kiss for a change. However, it still wasn't a bad episode.

What I think should happen in Season 6. Lionel becomes Jor'el rescues Clark from the Phantom Zone with Chloe. Clark rescues Lois and Martha by flying. Lana realises Lex for what he is and learns Clark's secret by watching him beat Lex/Zod. Also, realises why her and Clark and be together but become friends again. Sneaky suspicion Kryptonite will be used against Zod and forces him back into the Phantom Zone.

[AJ80]

Originally posted by Absentee
TVSquad.com (http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/05/12/smallville-vessel-finale/) better explains the finale for Smallville.

One thing that cracked me up:

"Plus, I'm so over Chloe at this point. She needs to just explode in a horrible freak disaster or become a lesbian.

LMFAO.

this whole show needs to fade away. Its a complete and utter bastardization of the Superman mythos.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I loved it! It had me on the edge of my seat till the end! I do agree with the too much Lana time. But it was still really GREAT!!! This season finale affected the whole world..not just Smallville or the Kents like the others (Tornado, Bad Clark, Aliens, and the rebirth)!

Clark realized that his biological father is trying to help the human race (he realized a little too late). We see that future Superman in Clark!

Chole and Clark Kiss.....YES!!!!

Fine or Zod or whoever, has a plan for Martha and Lois. We dont know what that is! He cant kill them either, he has a plan for them when/ if Clark gets out.

And people think that this years season finale wasnt any good?!?!?! Come on! I think some people are expecting too much. We dont know what TPTB has plan for these characters! Except for Clark, Lex, Lois, Martha of course. But it is that road that is exciting!

[aqua]

I went with not worth watching, since well.. it really wasn't. :lol:

[Backward Galaxy]

Laughable. That episode was a whole new level of nonsense. I didn't think this show could sink any lower, but I was wrong.

[angela_wc01]

I thought it was amazing! It should interesting to see how everything is resolved next season. Especially the whole Clark in the Phantom Zone thing. Who knows he's in there? Maybe Lionel will save him. Who knows?

[jason127]

i thought it was pretty good. I thought it was gonna be much better though. as usual we had like no action which sucked. all we had was like lex and clark fighting for like 20 seconds and its not even a real fight clark throws lex then lex throws clark then clark takes down lex and is about to stab him when he throws it at brainiac instead.

[LuthorRequiem2]

I think it was a TERRIFIC episode! I don't think it's anywhere near the level of "Commencement", though, but you have to remember, they had about 80 minutes for that episode. This one they only had about 45 minutes to 50 (when you put into consideration commercial breaks taking up half the time). Thus, the feeling of it being anti-climactic compared with last years' is not really their fault, it's just because last year's got more time for characterization, action, romance, mystery, etc. Whereas, this one kinda had to go straight to the action.

I LOVED the fight between LEX and Clark! I just LOVED that it wasn't ZOD saying those things and battling Clark, but was acutally LEX! That REALLY made it climactic. The two ex-best-friends now finally becoming the enemies they are destined to be. That whole scene was written, acted, and filmed so beautifully. I loved the fact that Lex confronted Clark about the things that had been boiling up inside him, and that we saw that Lana was not really a true love to Lex, but rather, an object of his envious desires, his desires for a family like Clark's, a "loyal girlfriend", etc. At least that's what I read into it: He's not so much IN LOVE with Lana as he was envious of Clark getting to be with her. See what I mean? He still does CARE for her, though, but really, he wants her because she's the only thing Clark couldn't have, in Lex's eyes.

I loved that Clark still cared about Lex, as much as he's been hating him lately. I saw some sympathy in Clark's eye, sympathy for Lex. Which was refreshing, seeing as how he usually is just hurling accusations at him.

I can't quite put into words how spectacular that scene was. That really MADE this season finale spectacular for me. Also, though, the stuff with Lionel was superb! It was great to see that Lionel, who once was THE ultimate evil, is now giving Clark advice on being a hero and mentoring him. I liked to see that Lionel still cares for Lex, but he is disgusted by the evil man he's turned into, and he blames himself for instilling in Lex those ruthless qualities.

Chloe kissing Clark was awesome. That was a hot kiss! I'd LOVE to be Clark! :)

Tom Welling's acting was subtle and nuanced at times, but nonetheless, incredibly great. He's really becoming Superman. And MR as Evil Lex was awesome. You could see that he still had goondess left in him, but very little. I loved the way he was so unfased when Clark held the knife to him. He SMILED. If you looked closely, he was smiling, like how villains always do that when heroes attempt to kill them.

Then MR pulled off Zod exquisitely. He didn't seem like Lex any more, but older and creepier. Much creepier. And when he saw Lana at the top of Luthor Corp, he looked as though he really didn't know who this hot girl was, but he was certainly glad to be kissing her. That was some great acting.

Speaking of that scene, the sky and the atmosphere totally felt like a comic book, a beautifully painted comic book. I think that was the look they were going for, and it was very well-done.

So, all in all, there was a TON of great stuff about this one. Not quite "Commencement" on the whole, and the last five minutes were not as cool as "Covenet" with the Mozart Requiem playing and Lionel getting his hair buzzed (but then again, which season finale's last five minutes could top that?), but still, it was a very solid, well-directed, acted, and written episode. All in all, it was SUPER!

[Raul Rigel]

Originally posted by LuthorRequiem2
I think it was a TERRIFIC episode! I don't think it's anywhere near the level of "Commencement", though, but you have to remember, they had about 80 minutes for that episode. This one they only had about 45 minutes to 50 (when you put into consideration commercial breaks taking up half the time). Thus, the feeling of it being anti-climactic compared with last years' is not really their fault, it's just because last year's got more time for characterization, action, romance, mystery, etc. Whereas, this one kinda had to go straight to the action.

I LOVED the fight between LEX and Clark! I just LOVED that it wasn't ZOD saying those things and battling Clark, but was acutally LEX! That REALLY made it climactic. The two ex-best-friends now finally becoming the enemies they are destined to be. That whole scene was written, acted, and filmed so beautifully. I loved the fact that Lex confronted Clark about the things that had been boiling up inside him, and that we saw that Lana was not really a true love to Lex, but rather, an object of his envious desires, his desires for a family like Clark's, a "loyal girlfriend", etc. At least that's what I read into it: He's not so much IN LOVE with Lana as he was envious of Clark getting to be with her. See what I mean? He still does CARE for her, though, but really, he wants her because she's the only thing Clark couldn't have, in Lex's eyes.

I loved that Clark still cared about Lex, as much as he's been hating him lately. I saw some sympathy in Clark's eye, sympathy for Lex. Which was refreshing, seeing as how he usually is just hurling accusations at him.

I can't quite put into words how spectacular that scene was. That really MADE this season finale spectacular for me. Also, though, the stuff with Lionel was superb! It was great to see that Lionel, who once was THE ultimate evil, is now giving Clark advice on being a hero and mentoring him. I liked to see that Lionel still cares for Lex, but he is disgusted by the evil man he's turned into, and he blames himself for instilling in Lex those ruthless qualities.

Chloe kissing Clark was awesome. That was a hot kiss! I'd LOVE to be Clark! :)

Tom Welling's acting was subtle and nuanced at times, but nonetheless, incredibly great. He's really becoming Superman. And MR as Evil Lex was awesome. You could see that he still had goondess left in him, but very little. I loved the way he was so unfased when Clark held the knife to him. He SMILED. If you looked closely, he was smiling, like how villains always do that when heroes attempt to kill them.

Then MR pulled off Zod exquisitely. He didn't seem like Lex any more, but older and creepier. Much creepier. And when he saw Lana at the top of Luthor Corp, he looked as though he really didn't know who this hot girl was, but he was certainly glad to be kissing her. That was some great acting.

Speaking of that scene, the sky and the atmosphere totally felt like a comic book, a beautifully painted comic book. I think that was the look they were going for, and it was very well-done.

So, all in all, there was a TON of great stuff about this one. Not quite "Commencement" on the whole, and the last five minutes were not as cool as "Covenet" with the Mozart Requiem playing and Lionel getting his hair buzzed (but then again, which season finale's last five minutes could top that?), but still, it was a very solid, well-directed, acted, and written episode. All in all, it was SUPER!


the fight scene sucked you're delusional

all they do is throw eachother around wtf PUNCH HIM

[watcher4]

I felt that I was having to force myself to continue to watch it. A couple of times, I actually thought about changing the channel. It just fell flat. That is just me, because I am reading that many people here loved it. I'm glad that you did. However, I didn't. Maybe I let my expectations get too high. All I know is that this episode did not meet my expectations of a season finale.:confused:

[Raul Rigel]

yea i think alot of people set their expectations a little too high

BUT if any of these theories people are coming up with come true next season alot of people whill change their opinion about it....and it will make alot more sense

i think next season will be great

[LuthorRequiem2]

"the fight scene sucked you're delusional

all they do is throw eachother around wtf PUNCH HIM"

Well, in my opinion, a fight scene isn't great because of how many times they throw each other around or punch one another or do action-like, stylized, cool fight moves, but rather, the emotion behind the fight. Maybe that makes me dilusional, or maybe that's just my opinion. But what I really enjoyed was how much we really got to see the true Lex Luthor and Superman in that scene. It was truly terrific. I agree, though, there could've been more action, but to me, the emotion was all the action that was truly necessary. It spoke volumes about their enmity and I loved it.

[starmaster]

so did you all think this was the best episode ever of smallville?!

I know I did!

[Jagoda]

As a matter of fact I was a bit disappionted. My favourite episode from this season was 'Fragile'

[velocity]

No way.
This is actually the first finale that didn't leave me pulling my hair in agony.

It's sad really, one of the best seasons had the worst finale.

[LaineSV11]

That doesn't make you delusional, and why are you calling people you don't know names because of what they think?

What happened after Lex and Lana kissed on the roof? My recording stopped there.

[Fly by guy]

I have been thinking that TPTB were like an ostrich with their heads stuck in the sand or somewhere but I was wrong. The correct analogy with the bird is the eye to brain size. TPTB couldn't see what they were doing WRONG because their eyes were bigger than their brains, or so it seems to me.
What part of the ratings drop and Lexana not being accepted did they not see?
The finale was like eating rice cakes, tasteless and useless.
Lana's character should just leave at this point and I was a HUGE fan about 15 episodes ago. It seemed Vessel revolved around Lex and Lana. James was underused. The plane scenes were pointless, and the crap with Chloe and Lionel was a big Yawn.
Now if Lana had push Lex off the building, and the plane was hitting a mountain, and Lionel's car was running over Chloe, and Brainiac was ACTUALLY doing ANYTHING interesting, then I would I thought the episode was great. This one was fair. 2 0f 5 stars.

I liked this one the least of the five finales. Three cheers for TPTB. From a 5.8 million avg for the first 8 episodes to 4.6 million (brought way up by Cyborg) for the last eight. It has been an underwelming experience. Thanks.

[watcher4]

Originally posted by Raul Rigel
yea i think alot of people set their expectations a little too high

BUT if any of these theories people are coming up with come true next season alot of people whill change their opinion about it....and it will make alot more sense



I was thinking the same thing a few minutes ago. However, at this point, my faith in TPTB is weak.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by LaineSV11
That doesn't make you delusional, and why are you calling people you don't know names because of what they think?

What happened after Lex and Lana kissed on the roof? My recording stopped there.

They cut to Clark in the Phanton Zone and that was it.

[watcher4]

I had to force myself to keep watching. I guess maybe some people may think it is the best. I'm just not one of them. Maybe, if I remember to watch the season 6 premiere, things will make more sense.:\

[myankskent]

No way. I can certainly wait for the premier. The cliffhangers are intriguing but I am not left on the edge of my seat. Chloe getting pulled out of a car by a pack of wolves? Realistically she'd be dead, but she won't be. Martha and Lois on a plane?! Oh no, I really fear they are going to die. Lana and Lexod on the top of a building? That's a stimulating cliffhanger right there. And Clark is in the phantom zone, do I really need to say that I think he will get out of there because of jorEl?

[PATMAN]

it was great and I loved it...but its probably the 3rd best

[Daddylion]

It wasn't really that exciting to me. And I don't think this whole season was that great either, in fact I'm kinda dissapointed with the season as a whole. I love the build up in Oracle, but not the finale itself that much. It wasn't that bad but not that good either.

[Lt. Madmax]

Originally posted by LuthorRequiem2
"the fight scene sucked you're delusional

all they do is throw eachother around wtf PUNCH HIM"

Well, in my opinion, a fight scene isn't great because of how many times they throw each other around or punch one another or do action-like, stylized, cool fight moves, but rather, the emotion behind the fight. Maybe that makes me dilusional, or maybe that's just my opinion. But what I really enjoyed was how much we really got to see the true Lex Luthor and Superman in that scene. It was truly terrific. I agree, though, there could've been more action, but to me, the emotion was all the action that was truly necessary. It spoke volumes about their enmity and I loved it.


I agree with your impression of the fight between Lex & Clark, I mean Lex laid it all out there and Clark came sooo close at making the first blow, but held back with all his strength stating "Lex you're not yourself right now" Lex-"Or maybe I am".

Emotion not only for that scene but for the episode as a whole was what made it great.

All these people who found the reason for disliking and judging this episode so harshly due to it's lack of Action. Well you shouldn't have expected it to be action-packed, to assume just cause Commencement what, had a count down to a Meteor Shower, of course it's going to have an underlying tension and the MS caused explosions. I mean don't get me wrong I enjoyed it right up to the FOS.
If Smallville only relied on action to support it's season Finale then I really don't think they could have developed the story to take it's next leap : "superhero". Which as we all see is exactly where they're taking us next season.

Having a Season Finale that was more emotional and character drivin is exactly what was needed and it was exactly what was accomplished. Have you thought that maybe Clark won the fight so soon cause Lex had only had his powers for an afternoon, Clark had the edge plus why throw more punches when he had the dagger on him. I have a feeling that if they decided to extend that fight scene your opinions would probably end up being " god that fight with Lex could've been shorter, I mean why didn't he use the knife earlier cause he had it on him the whole time".

His final decision to throw the knife at Brainiac was done cause he thought in killing him he would essentially save Lex, then what Brainiac stated earlier "that humanity is Kal-El's weakness" turned out to be exactly right. So Clark instead of coming out on top from his decisions like always, his decision not only ends up dooming him but dooms Earth as well, that isn't something he can attribute to fates doing It's clearly his fault. I mean you can't say that wasn't done well, and the impact significant.


And well as much as the possession of Lex by Zod was a little cliche, but hey I don't think we ever expected Lionel would be possessed by Jor-El bringing Clark back to life in the FOS.
But getting back to the point, a lot of people in the forum have stated that Zod being a powerful dictator, would make Clark kneel before him. Notice that before he even speaks to Clark, Zex waits until he's standing/looking down on Clark. Zex asks once for Clark to join him, when Clark refuses he doesn't even hesitate at getting rid of him. I know we all wanted a seperate person to play Zod, but is it really that bad cause he's played Zod well so far.

Anyways, I enjoyed the episode and am looking forward to Season 6. The suspense is a killer though.

Your Friendly Canuck,

oh and on a side note, it might be hard this time to have Lex forget everything once they find a way to rid Zod, as he found out about Clark BEFORE Zod inhabited him. Later then.

[hassenmorad]

The overall feeling from this finale is confusion. It just wasn't as exciting as commencement or other finales. I have a great feeling about the Season 6 Premier though.

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
I have been thinking that TPTB were like an ostrich with their heads stuck in the sand or somewhere but I was wrong. The correct analogy with the bird is the eye to brain size. TPTB couldn't see what they were doing WRONG because their eyes were bigger than their brains, or so it seems to me.
What part of the ratings drop and Lexana not being accepted did they not see?
The finale was like eating rice cakes, tasteless and useless.
Lana's character should just leave at this point and I was a HUGE fan about 15 episodes ago. It seemed Vessel revolved around Lex and Lana. James was underused. The plane scenes were pointless, and the crap with Chloe and Lionel was a big Yawn.
Now if Lana had push Lex off the building, and the plane was hitting a mountain, and Lionel's car was running over Chloe, and Brainiac was ACTUALLY doing ANYTHING interesting, then I would I thought the episode was great. This one was fair. 2 0f 5 stars.

I liked this one the least of the five finales. Three cheers for TPTB. From a 5.8 million avg for the first 8 episodes to 4.6 million (brought way up by Cyborg) for the last eight. It has been an underwelming experience. Thanks.

4.6 is still higher than last season...

ALL I know, is that I'd take this seasonal arch over stupid witches and stones ANYDAY OF THE WEEK...

[TheSupaMan]

The overzealous gasps from Lana took away points.

[Fly by guy]

^^^^
Actually, season four average was 5.03 with the stones and witches and no Lexana.Season five finished at 5.3 because of the Early success of the first third of the season.
Vessel spent way too much time on Lex and Lana and not nearly enough time with Zod, Brainiac, and Clark.
People keep saying that Vessel was just the first part and the season 6 premier will answer the questions and be great. Wasn't Vessel part 2 of 3 and shouldn't each part build as the excitement grows. Where's the excitement and where are the ratings.
SV got dark, predictable, and boring over the last 7 episodes. SO That 70's Show ended. It's ratings have been way down this season too, and they still kept beating SV towards the seasons end. Why?

[shirkie]

Best... Episode... Ever? Erm, maybe we're talking about a different episode. Granted, this was no "Ageless" (I'm STILL having nightmares about how bad that was), but this was definitely no "Shattered."
shirkie

[All about Clark]

It certainly gets the "Ohmygod" award, but definitely not the best, maybe 3rd place like patman said. It's also not as good as commencement. But regardless, I can't wait for the premiere and maybe more exited about that then last year's.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
^^^^
Actually, season four average was 5.03 with the stones and witches and no Lexana.Season five finished at 5.3 because of the Early success of the first third of the season.
Vessel spent way too much time on Lex and Lana and not nearly enough time with Zod, Brainiac, and Clark.
People keep saying that Vessel was just the first part and the season 6 premier will answer the questions and be great. Wasn't Vessel part 2 of 3 and shouldn't each part build as the excitement grows. Where's the excitement and where are the ratings.
SV got dark, predictable, and boring over the last 7 episodes. SO That 70's Show ended. It's ratings have been way down this season too, and they still kept beating SV towards the seasons end. Why?

It is hard to compare ratings on the WB to channels like Fox, due to station issues and other business stuff. It is fair to talk about the show in comparison to itself.

I think 'Smallivlle' peaked from a ratings perspective late in season 2 at just over 7 million. The relationship between Clark and Lana was just heating up and the theme of Clark's Kryptonian heritage was just being introduced. More to the point, the show had just come off a run of great episodes. The questions that I would be asking if were TPTB are:
- What happened to those 2 million former 'Smallville' fans?
- Why did the ratings trail off at the end of the season, rather than build as the plot climaxed?
- How can we avoid the mistakes we've made in the past next season?

IMO, the answers are:
- The two million folks that left felt like several major plot threads were moving too slowly. Those were the Clana, Clark learning about Krypton and Lex learning Clark's secret. Worse, there was a lot of bad faith with mis-leading ads, dreams, memory wipes, etc.
- One word "Reckoning". The first third of the season was not perfect (I could've lived without the death decree from Jor-El), but it had some momentum buidling for the first time in a long time. There was a shocking climax, followed by Clark going back in time to undo everything and totally change the direction of the season. Worse, the new plotlines were pretty bad. Lexana is stilted and the Martha-Lionel story is grotesque.
- Boy, that's going to be hard. It might not be a bad idea to drop some Black Kryptonite on Lexod, have the unpossesed Lex seperate from Zod and then reveal that it wasn't the nice version that got freed. Put Lana in a love triangle between bad Lex and Zod. Have one kick her in the stomach and the other kick her in the head. Move the Clark-Chloe relationship along as fast as possible.

[bigmeza]

Worst finale so far in the series. I have been watching the show since the pilot episode and have to say that I was very disappointed in this episode..

So much so that I registered with the site just to make this post.

[shirkie]

LOL welcome to KSite, bigmeza. ;)
shirkie

[Kara15]

I thought this finale was going to be a lot better because of how Oracle was, but I am still not disappointed with it.

I think it might have been better if it had revolved around the ships less. I really wish that they had cut out a little bit of the Lex & Lana talk and all of the Clark & Lana talk, and added something more exciting.

It's definetlely not as good as Covenant, Commencement, or Exodus, but it's not bad either.

[Pink Hurricane]

It was great! I absolutely loved it. I literally couldn't take my eyes off the screen, and then the Chlark kiss just put it over the top. ^__^

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by dhacker615
It is hard to compare ratings on the WB to channels like Fox, due to station issues and other business stuff. It is fair to talk about the show in comparison to itself.

I think 'Smallivlle' peaked from a ratings perspective late in season 2 at just over 7 million. The relationship between Clark and Lana was just heating up and the theme of Clark's Kryptonian heritage was just being introduced. More to the point, the show had just come off a run of great episodes. The questions that I would be asking if were TPTB are:
- What happened to those 2 million former 'Smallville' fans?
- Why did the ratings trail off at the end of the season, rather than build as the plot climaxed?
- How can we avoid the mistakes we've made in the past next season?

IMO, the answers are:
- The two million folks that left felt like several major plot threads were moving too slowly. Those were the Clana, Clark learning about Krypton and Lex learning Clark's secret. Worse, there was a lot of bad faith with mis-leading ads, dreams, memory wipes, etc.
- One word "Reckoning". The first third of the season was not perfect (I could've lived without the death decree from Jor-El), but it had some momentum buidling for the first time in a long time. There was a shocking climax, followed by Clark going back in time to undo everything and totally change the direction of the season. Worse, the new plotlines were pretty bad. Lexana is stilted and the Martha-Lionel story is grotesque.
- Boy, that's going to be hard. It might not be a bad idea to drop some Black Kryptonite on Lexod, have the unpossesed Lex seperate from Zod and then reveal that it wasn't the nice version that got freed. Put Lana in a love triangle between bad Lex and Zod. Have one kick her in the stomach and the other kick her in the head. Move the Clark-Chloe relationship along as fast as possible.

wow... I'm STILL going with this season's story arch over last years. Everyone complained (like they are doing now) about the whole witch and stones story and how lame it was and we actually get a pretty creative, intriguing storyline and people are STILL complaining? Last season had its moments, but for the most part, I'd say it was the weakest season out of the 5. Season 5 has been favorite by far. Season 1 was okay but had way too many meteor freak episodes, season 2 was probably my second fave after 5 cuz it introduced some of clarks heritage. Season3 was alright kinda on par with 4 IMO because it didn't really have a coherent story line. Covenent was a CRAPPY finalie and a bad ending. I mean everything happened in the last 5 minutes.

All I know, season 5 has entertained me MORE THAN ANY OTHER SEASON YET, wether the finalie was good or bad.

Why dont some of you focus on the season as a whole? It sounds to me a lot of people here are judging the entire season on wether or not the Finalie was good or not. Why do that? Also, why pay attention to ratings??

I guess what it comes down to is this: season 5 was everything I've wanted in Smallville and then some and I enjoyed it more than any other season. I feel sorry for those who dont think it was good. I will be back for season 6 and I'm pretty sure most of you who are saying this season wasnt that great will definitely be back next season, Just like the ones who said they were done after season 4.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Why dont some of you focus on the season as a whole? It sounds to me a lot of people here are judging the entire season on wether or not the Finalie was good or not. Why do that? Also, why pay attention to ratings??

I guess what it comes down to is this: season 5 was everything I've wanted in Smallville and then some and I enjoyed it more than any other season. I feel sorry for those who dont think it was good. I will be back for season 6 and I'm pretty sure most of you who are saying this season wasnt that great will definitely be back next season, Just like the ones who said they were done after season 4.

Why focus on ratings? Because I love the show and I want to see it continue. "Smallville" cannot be cheap to produce, so declining ratings could kill it one of these years. I'd rather it go out on its own terms with an actual final episode that ties up all the loose ends.

As to your point, Season 3 was probably my personal favorite. You are right that overall Season 5 was stronger than Season 4, although there were no individual episodes as strong as 'Unsafe' or 'Commencement' there were also no episodes as bad as 'Ageless' or 'Facade'. The Zod-Brainiac arc was a lot more ambitious and interesting than the Isobel arc, but it was not perfect. It seems silly for TPTB to annoy people by doing stuff that is easily avoided.

Anyway, here is what I liked about S5:
- Lana. Her character has really evolved in logical, but unexpected direction overall. My complaint with her and Lex isn't the idea, but painful lack of chemistry.
- Clark. He has really, really grown up. TW does an amazing job showing you in his performance what a huge influence Johnathon Kent is on Superman.
- Milton Fine. Brainiac is not an easy character to bring in, but they did a great job. I liked the use of the T-1000 as the inspiration. I liked the performance. I wanted more, which is always a good sign.
- The evolution of Chloe & Clark. I neither a Chloe fan, nor a Chlark fan, headed into the season, but as the year wore along it started to make a lot of sense. That kiss came at exactly the right moment from my perspective.
- The Fine/Lex partnership. I loved the Brainiac/Luthor team-ups as a kid. TPTB did a great job bringing that dynamic to life.

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by dhacker615
Why focus on ratings? Because I love the show and I want to see it continue. "Smallville" cannot be cheap to produce, so declining ratings could kill it one of these years. I'd rather it go out on its own terms with an actual final episode that ties up all the loose ends.

As to your point, Season 3 was probably my personal favorite. You are right that overall Season 5 was stronger than Season 4, although there were no individual episodes as strong as 'Unsafe' or 'Commencement' there were also no episodes as bad as 'Ageless' or 'Facade'. The Zod-Brainiac arc was a lot more ambitious and interesting than the Isobel arc, but it was not perfect. It seems silly for TPTB to annoy people by doing stuff that is easily avoided.

Anyway, here is what I liked about S5:
- Lana. Her character has really evolved in logical, but unexpected direction overall. My complaint with her and Lex isn't the idea, but painful lack of chemistry.
- Clark. He has really, really grown up. TW does an amazing job showing you in his performance what a huge influence Johnathon Kent is on Superman.
- Milton Fine. Brainiac is not an easy character to bring in, but they did a great job. I liked the use of the T-1000 as the inspiration. I liked the performance. I wanted more, which is always a good sign.
- The evolution of Chloe & Clark. I neither a Chloe fan, nor a Chlark fan, headed into the season, but as the year wore along it started to make a lot of sense. That kiss came at exactly the right moment from my perspective.
- The Fine/Lex partnership. I loved the Brainiac/Luthor team-ups as a kid. TPTB did a great job bringing that dynamic to life.

Wait, you said season 3 was your personal favorite, but you didnt point out why. You mentioned 2 good and 2 bad episodes from season *4*, not 3. Did you mean season 4 was your personal favorite?

If you meant season 3 then I completely disagree. Season 3 had no story, nor did it evolve the characters at all. The *only* amazing thing it had was 2 episodes, Shattered and Asylum. Those 2 episodes added to Lex's character but then of course seasons 4 and 5 come around and the events in those 2 episodes seem to have *no meaning* at all.

Season 3 had ONE main story and that was the deal Jonathan made with Lionel. That was the only thing that actually stretched from the first episode to the last. All the other story points (lana going away, Lionel going to prison, Lex and the poisoned scotch, Jonathan in a coma, Lionel killing parents, Lex trying to get his memory back, etc) were all brought up in later episodes, most of them almost halfway through and Lana leaving Smallville was brought in like 5 episodes from the end!!

It was an incoherent, rushed, sloppy, and unorganized season. It was as if they had NO IDEA where to take the show, so they crammed it all in the last minutes. This is why season 5 ROCKED. Almost EVERY SINGLE episode in some way or another moved the main story along. All episodes connected together brilliantly. In other seasons, the fillers were just that, fillers, no mention whatsoever of any main story line. The Fillers in season 5 even though considered "fillers" move some sort of main storyline along, wether it be Mr. Kent's senentacy, Lionel/Martha's relatonship, Fine and Lex's relationship, Fine and Clark's relationship, Clana, LExana, Chlex, whatever, at least *one* of these main stoylines ran through *every single episode*.


About ratings. Smallville has already ran longer than any other Superman show. Season 6 is an almost guarantee and 6 seasons is more than I could ever ask for. This is why when you let ratings sway you, it ruins the enjoyment. Statistics don't matter, all that matters is that you were entertained. Wether it be 2 seasons or 8.

Like I said earlier, I'm sorry you feel jipped. I didn't. Season 5 was everything I was begging TPTB to give me and then some. For those of you who disagree, :(

[ClarkyBoy14]

I thought that "Vessel" was a great ending to a great season. I think that they should have made it an hour and 45 minutes long with a 15 minute Superman Returns sneak peek at the end, but oh well, it's not TPTB's fault.
I like the small things in Smallville alot of the times and here are a few things that I noticed and I liked:
1. The diary that Lois got for Clark in "Oracle" was in Clark's desk.
2. Lex's mention to the Pilot episode.
3. The Clark/Chloe kiss.
4. Brainiac's trickery and him in the jet.
There was a lot more, I don't feel like typing it though.
I DIDN'T like the way the camera was swiveling in the beginning when Lex was having his orgasm, it just looked kind of corny. I also didn't like that Zod is in Lex, but maybe this way he won't be affected by green Kryptonite? And the amount of screen time Lana had. KK did do I good job, though, IMO. And the world isn't going to go into riots if the electricity went out. (Unless maybe they were watching SV and they got ticked they didn't get to see the end.) But maybe the computer virus that Brainiac unleashed had something to do with it, maybe it can to some extent brainwash the weak minded.
Also, I could be wrong, but do you all really think that the reason Zex kissed Lana is just because he thought that she's hot? I don't think so!

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Wait, you said season 3 was your personal favorite, but you didnt point out why. You mentioned 2 good and 2 bad episodes from season *4*, not 3. Did you mean season 4 was your personal favorite?

If you meant season 3 then I completely disagree. Season 3 had no story, nor did it evolve the characters at all. The *only* amazing thing it had was 2 episodes, Shattered and Asylum. Those 2 episodes added to Lex's character but then of course seasons 4 and 5 come around and the events in those 2 episodes seem to have *no meaning* at all.

Season 3 had ONE main story and that was the deal Jonathan made with Lionel. That was the only thing that actually stretched from the first episode to the last. All the other story points (lana going away, Lionel going to prison, Lex and the poisoned scotch, Jonathan in a coma, Lionel killing parents, Lex trying to get his memory back, etc) were all brought up in later episodes, most of them almost halfway through and Lana leaving Smallville was brought in like 5 episodes from the end!!

I agree with most of what you said. However, if were to watch a single episode at random from a season, then Season 3 would be the one I'd choose. The depth of quality episodes was pretty impressive. Shattered and Asylum were amazing (despite Lex having his memory wiped). Memoria was a great story. Obssesion introduced the best FOTW ever. Perry was fun, so were Extinction, Delete and Velocity. Phoenix was a great follow on to a shaky season premier. Forsaken did a great job setting Covenant. Sure, there were clunkers, but only Magnetic is really on that bottom tier with Ageless and Facade from Season 4 (or Hypnotic and Fragile in S5, or Redux and Dichotic in S2, etc.).

Plus, there was the whole sub-plot with Clark's blood and the serum Lionel made from it that was sort of interesting. Adam turning bad was a lot more plausible than the Jason light-switch and well motivated.



It was an incoherent, rushed, sloppy, and unorganized season. It was as if they had NO IDEA where to take the show, so they crammed it all in the last minutes. This is why season 5 ROCKED. Almost EVERY SINGLE episode in some way or another moved the main story along. All episodes connected together brilliantly. In other seasons, the fillers were just that, fillers, no mention whatsoever of any main story line. The Fillers in season 5 even though considered "fillers" move some sort of main storyline along, wether it be Mr. Kent's senentacy, Lionel/Martha's relatonship, Fine and Lex's relationship, Fine and Clark's relationship, Clana, LExana, Chlex, whatever, at least *one* of these main stoylines ran through *every single episode*.

Look, I admire what they attempted in S5. I really do. It is just that some of the bricks they used were sort of weak. Hypnotic was a huge episode in that it was the end of the Clana. It set-up Void, Lana's near nervous break-down and her turning to Lex. Like I said, a huge episode. The problem is that it was terrible. Clark and Lana weren't clearly even still a couple in Vengence and Tomb, so the break-up was a head scratcher. Worse, TPTB used the most hackneyed device in their tool-kit ... mind control.

I'm not saying this was a bad season. It certainly was a step in the right direction after season 5, but it is still a clear notch below the creative peak of the series.


About ratings. Smallville has already ran longer than any other Superman show. Season 6 is an almost guarantee and 6 seasons is more than I could ever ask for. This is why when you let ratings sway you, it ruins the enjoyment. Statistics don't matter, all that matters is that you were entertained. Wether it be 2 seasons or 8.

Like I said earlier, I'm sorry you feel jipped. I didn't. Season 5 was everything I was begging TPTB to give me and then some. For those of you who disagree, :(

I am pretty sure "The Adventures of Superman" ran for six seasons. However, I will grant you that "Smallville" has told a more consistent, high-quality set of Superman stories than any thing I can remember in any medium. Clark and Lex are much richer characters than they ever have been. JK and MK are really actual characters for the first time that I can remember. You could say pretty much the same thing about Pete Ross. I think the SV version of Jor-El is pretty incoherent and I hated what they did with Supergirl, but bringing Lionel and Chloe to the mythos makes up for it IMO. Lois doesn't compare to Teri Hatcher's version, but still they have improved more characters than they've harmed.

I mean, the ED Lois is at worst a push.

[Raul Rigel]

but this isnt really FINISHED..it said to be continuted..

once the whole "zod saga" part of the series is done then i'll judge it, cuz i think some people are being way too harsh

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by dhacker615
I agree with most of what you said. However, if were to watch a single episode at random from a season, then Season 3 would be the one I'd choose. The depth of quality episodes was pretty impressive. Shattered and Asylum were amazing (despite Lex having his memory wiped). Memoria was a great story. Obssesion introduced the best FOTW ever. Perry was fun, so were Extinction, Delete and Velocity. Phoenix was a great follow on to a shaky season premier. Forsaken did a great job setting Covenant. Sure, there were clunkers, but only Magnetic is really on that bottom tier with Ageless and Facade from Season 4 (or Hypnotic and Fragile in S5, or Redux and Dichotic in S2, etc.).

Plus, there was the whole sub-plot with Clark's blood and the serum Lionel made from it that was sort of interesting. Adam turning bad was a lot more plausible than the Jason light-switch and well motivated.


[B]

Look, I admire what they attempted in S5. I really do. It is just that some of the bricks they used were sort of weak. Hypnotic was a huge episode in that it was the end of the Clana. It set-up Void, Lana's near nervous break-down and her turning to Lex. Like I said, a huge episode. The problem is that it was terrible. Clark and Lana weren't clearly even still a couple in Vengence and Tomb, so the break-up was a head scratcher. Worse, TPTB used the most hackneyed device in their tool-kit ... mind control.

I'm not saying this was a bad season. It certainly was a step in the right direction after season 5, but it is still a clear notch below the creative peak of the series.

[B]

I am pretty sure "The Adventures of Superman" ran for six seasons. However, I will grant you that "Smallville" has told a more consistent, high-quality set of Superman stories than any thing I can remember in any medium. Clark and Lex are much richer characters than they ever have been. JK and MK are really actual characters for the first time that I can remember. You could say pretty much the same thing about Pete Ross. I think the SV version of Jor-El is pretty incoherent and I hated what they did with Supergirl, but bringing Lionel and Chloe to the mythos makes up for it IMO. Lois doesn't compare to Teri Hatcher's version, but still they have improved more characters than they've harmed.

I mean, the ED Lois is at worst a push.

Well yes, I did forget about the blood/syrum sub plot in season 3 which was pretty creative and interesting, and I do agree that yes, specific episodes were good, but I like a show that has continuity and season 3 had the worst continuity out of the 5 seasons IMO. But, some series best episodes did come out of season 3 like Asylum/shattered, Exile/Phoenix, etc. Alicia is just ok IMO. Obsession I think is very overated I think and Unsafe I dislike with a passion for the after school special thing they did with sex. Also, little things that Im sure everyone knows and I dont need to go into detail here but, as much as I dont like that episode, Pariah DEFINITELY made up for it and is one of my favorite episodes ever.

Personally, I liked Ryan better as a FOTW. He taught Clark a very important lesson with him not being able to save him. Of course, so did Alicia.

Anyways, I guess all the seasons have had their moments, but liek I said season 5 fit together the best out of all of them and the continuity was EXCELLENT in season 5. Their were little things (like the journal lois bought him in his desk drawer in Vessel, etc) and their were big things too that made for some great continuity.

But, another great point was made which is that Vessel was part 2 of 3 and so I really think we all need to relax a little and just wait for the premier and see where that takes us. It could *very well* make up for some of the dissapointments some of you have with Vessel.

Yeah and Lois being on Smallville SUCKS IMO. Sorry just had to get that out. I do love her portrayal, but I'm sorry, she doesnt belong in Smallville.

[starmaster]

they went overboard with most things but it was a very enjoyable show...

my favourite was still commencement tho. Then its vessel.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Episode 100 was my favorite, but Vessel was best cliffhanger for the show.

[Lex-EL of Krypton]

The Finale sucked, just like the show for the most part!!!!!!

[Octagonal_lex]

I think this season finale was the worst put of all the ones we have seen but only because we have such high standards!I do feel however there were a lot of plot holes that i really hope will be sorted come the new season.

[Spirit5]

what was good about the 100th ep? that's when i knew once and for all that the writers think we're stupid. but i must say that they crammed pretty much everything into this one ep.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
^^^^
Actually, season four average was 5.03 with the stones and witches and no Lexana.Season five finished at 5.3 because of the Early success of the first third of the season.
Vessel spent way too much time on Lex and Lana and not nearly enough time with Zod, Brainiac, and Clark.
People keep saying that Vessel was just the first part and the season 6 premier will answer the questions and be great. Wasn't Vessel part 2 of 3 and shouldn't each part build as the excitement grows. Where's the excitement and where are the ratings.
SV got dark, predictable, and boring over the last 7 episodes. SO That 70's Show ended. It's ratings have been way down this season too, and they still kept beating SV towards the seasons end. Why?

Yeah, and Smallville was actually beating that 70's show most of the year in the ratings and Alias had to move from Thursday because Smallville rating's weren't much lower than Alias, which is unbelievable.

[ARisher]

I thought it was great. Mainly because of the Lana/Zod and Chloe/Clark twist. That right there will hold my interest until next seaon.