"i could snap your neck"

[MasterVampire]

when brainiac said that to clark when he had him in a hold was that true? because they both have super strength and all, but i thought clark was invincible, how could he do that without kryponite?

[StealthyMakoto]

They both have super strength, so it would just be like one human getting another in a hold and snapping his neck.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Invincible to humans but is he to others who have equal powers?

I would think that some parts of the body are very human like the neck.

[krpto]

clark's powers are still developing so he is weaker the fine or older kryptonians. Some kryptonians are stronger than others kinda like some humans are stronger the other humans.

[khufu]

Yeah I was a bit confused by that. If you recall in Arival, the two Kryptonians say to Clark "we cannot destroy, but we can put you in a place where you will be unable to stop us."

So which is it, can they destroy Clark or not?

[godsmack23]

they meant sending him to the Phantom zone

[Quadrotriticale]

Originally posted by godsmack23
they meant sending him to the Phantom zone

We know what they meant but why can't they destroy him?

[godsmack23]

because they know Clark is stronger than them and they want him to join them as being the only ppl left from Krypton. They think they r gods and want to rule the earth

[andylee]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MasterVampire
[B]when brainiac said that to clark when he had him in a hold was that true? because they both have super strength and all, but i thought clark was invincible, how could he do that without kryponite?


actully he could even though brainiac is kryptonian theoretically he is still made of the metal alloy brainiac was always a machine so he can basically do what he stated since clarks powers arent to their extent yet

[kf6tac]

Yeah, Clark's not *actually* invincible, he's just stronger than anything humans can throw at him so by our perception he's invincible. But anybody stronger than him could probably break him.

[myankskent]

There's a simple way to get rid of the Brainiacs...just create an army of Lionel's.

[kf6tac]

Originally posted by myankskent
There's a simple way to get rid of the Brainiacs...just create an army of Lionel's.

Hehe, judging by your avatar, you'd love that wouldn't you?

[Pal-El]

I hated that line, I thought it cheapened Clark somehow

[myankskent]

Originally posted by kf6tac
Hehe, judging by your avatar, you'd love that wouldn't you?

Oh it would be awesome. I like Lionel's character now, but part of me misses the days when he just got in Clark's face threatening to uncover what he was hiding. Those were the best scenes in this series, IMO.

[TKFlash]

I beleive Braniac was made at higher levels of power than Clark is now, so it is beleivable why he is is stronger than Clark. Clark has the potential to become stronger cause he actually absorbs solar energy, where Braniac's power levels are set and can't get stronger unless he is enhanced biologically or something like that. I personally have know problem with Brainiac being more powerful than Clark.

[j-kent]

Personally I'd like to be inclined to say Kryptonians are immortal in any case of twisting their neck with such strength that it wouldn't take their life force away...hmmm...only the creators of Supes would be able to answer that- or make up whatever they want- but I do think that with Braniac being stronger than our underdeveloped Clark that he probably could snap his neck.


[But as I remember...
In the "Death of Superman" collection from Mike Carlin...Superman was engaged in battle with Doomsday who was seemingly stronger than Superman. The comic ended with a series of punches back and forth until a big ass cataclysmic simultaneous punch to eachother ended with Supes bleeding dead on the ground of Metropolis, and luckily Doomsday killed too. So if you refer to comic mytho, then it is true that with enough damage from a stronger being than yeah he is capable of being killed like a mere mortal.

[andy3169]

i that fine was made but in his ways both clark and fine are the same they both have the same powers so its true that fine can break his neck if he wants

[spideyfan]

that line was lame...it made CK seem like some inferior punk...hes Superman for Pete's sake...yes...Pete from S1-S3 :)

[trackstarh1313]

"Yeah I was a bit confused by that. If you recall in Arival, the two Kryptonians say to Clark "we cannot destroy, but we can put you in a place where you will be unable to stop us." That is a really good point. Clark is supposed to be invincible to everything except for kryptonite and magic. That quote definately did sell Clark short.

[xrayvision]

The only way I think Fine can hurt Clark is by stabbing him since he is prone to Kryptonian metal, but then the question is, does liquid metal do the same as what the Starblade did to him? Maybe not.

We saw in Solitude that Clark was stronger than Fine when he was about to be stabbed and instead threw him away into the white crystals. Fine definitely had the leverage position, but Clark was still able to do it. I think if Fine could poke Clark with a sharp object that he can turn his hand into, he would have done it in that scene in Solitude, and would have easily killed him.

[photogirl]

Maybe Brainiac can destroy Clark because he's Kryptonian articificial intelligience, but other kryptonians can't destroy him....

[xrayvision]

All I could say is if he could, he would have done it by now. He could have used a gun to blow away Lionel too (he didn't have to touch him).

[jcore0429]

Why is everyone so upset with Fine being more powerful than Clark? If Clark was stronger and faster than the villian than where is the drama? Fine/Brainiac is a great season villian, he is smart, evil, powerful, and completely devoted to his cause. I try not to put too much focus on single lines, Fine says it i belive it. And if he couldnt break Clarks neck than who would be scared of him?

[Watching Smallville]

I agree with you. I have no problem w/ Fine being stronger than Clark. The danger Fine poses, though, is not to Clark. It's to Earth's population.

[warriorrenegade]

I think the line was in the vein of a school yard bully. Keep fighting me I'll snap your neck, hes just boasting. He did have the upper hand and he was just rubbing it in.

[CSBen]

I think he was bluffing to keep Clark on his toes. Remember he is Brainiac not the Incredable Kriptonian Hulk... shesh.

[Keldaz]

i think he meant that hell go get kryptonite and then snap it? :P

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

IF, this was the "real" world of Superman, Braniac/Fine would not be bale to kill Clark without the aid of kryptonite, but alas, this is Smallville, where Clark is but a wet noodle to Kal-el's spicy tomale, so...

[wraith808]

Braniac/Fine could if he was of Kryptonian make. All things Kryptonian relate to other Kryptonian things as normal. And I think that the other Kryptonians couldn't kill him for the same reason that Fine doesn't- they need him for some unexplained reason.

[shirkie]

The reference to Doomsday is very appropriate here. Superman is NOT immortal. Doomsday killed Superman in battle-- Brainiac could definitely do the same. The problem is, as Fine stated, that Fine needs Clark to open the PZ for him and therefore can't kill him yet.
shirkie

[bobser]

I'm assuming Brainiac is designed from Kryptonian elements. As such he should have sufficient ability to cause major damage to Clark from piercing, blunt force damage, or snapping force. It stands to reason he could hurt Clark, especially a young one, by physical means. The opposite applies as well.

[angelus666]

His neck probably would have snapped but would have repaired itself.

[shirkie]

Um, Clark's neck would snap and stay snapped. He's not Wolverine. If he dies, he's dead... Unless there's outside intervention (like in the Doomsday arc). I don't remember what happened to bring Supes back to life but it definitely wasn't a case of just Supes regenerating himself.
shirkie

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by bobser
I'm assuming Brainiac is designed from Kryptonian elements. As such he should have sufficient ability to cause major damage to Clark from piercing, blunt force damage, or snapping force. It stands to reason he could hurt Clark, especially a young one, by physical means. The opposite applies as well.

If he could kill him, then I'm sure he would have done it by impaling Clark with his hand by turning it into a spike than trying to stab him with the black crystal in Solitude.

[bobser]

Originally posted by xrayvision
If he could kill him, then I'm sure he would have done it by impaling Clark with his hand by turning it into a spike than trying to stab him with the black crystal in Solitude.

Or he could have grabbed a "meteor rock" and caught Clark off guard. It would have been even easier since everyone and their dog (literally...Shelby) has it.

I'm pretty certain Brainiac can well kill Clark is all, being Kryptonian. Sort of like Zod if he shows up in the finale.

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by shirkie
The reference to Doomsday is very appropriate here. Superman is NOT immortal. Doomsday killed Superman in battle-- Brainiac could definitely do the same. The problem is, as Fine stated, that Fine needs Clark to open the PZ for him and therefore can't kill him yet.
shirkie

Wrong. Superman IS immortal, but he can be killed. He stops aging around 45-50.


Originally posted by shirkie
I don't remember what happened to bring Supes back to life but it definitely wasn't a case of just Supes regenerating himself.
shirkie

After his death, the Eradicator took Superman's body and put it in a regeneration matrix (UV rays) in the Fortress of Solitude. He emerged from the matrix but he was without his ablities. After that there is a chain of events, that take too long to explain (sorry) he regained his powers back. The Eradicator couldn't explain what happened, and he told him that his rebirth was an unexplained chain of events that can never be duplicated again. Hope it helps :D

[bobser]

Originally posted by FreakyDroid
Wrong. Superman IS immortal, but he can be killed. He stops aging around 45-50.



After his death, the Eradicator took Superman's body and put it in a regeneration matrix (UV rays) in the Fortress of Solitude. He emerged from the matrix but he was without his ablities. After that there is a chain of events, that take too long to explain (sorry) he regained his powers back. The Eradicator couldn't explain what happened, and he told him that his rebirth was an unexplained chain of events that can never be duplicated again. Hope it helps :D

You forgot the part where he grew out his 90's Super-mullet. :lol:

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by bobser
You forgot the part where he grew out his 90's Super-mullet. :lol:

It looked nice right? :rotfl:

[Iowa_Gent]

I think Fine was just bluffing Clark there to scare him. He knows Clark hasn't realized all his powers and could scare him with a bluff. That gave Fine an edge over Clark.

[shirkie]

Superman IS immortal, but he can be killed.Erm, but someone has to bring him back to life in order for him to live again, n'est-ce pas? He is not self-resurrecting... Therefore, he's only immortal as long as there is someone else out there to help him when he dies.
shirkie

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by shirkie
Erm, but someone has to bring him back to life in order for him to live again, n'est-ce pas? He is not self-resurrecting... Therefore, he's only immortal as long as there is someone else out there to help him when he dies.
shirkie

I see your point. No, he's not self resurrecting. What I ment by Immortal is that he stops ageing at some point of his life, around 45-50. I think thats what Immortal means - to stop ageing, right?

[christian_kryptonian]

I personally think Brainaic was all talk and that Clark's neck would not have snapped. I thought that was stupid of him to say. It makes no sense. The kid is invincible even to other's strength. Only Kryptonite can hurt/kill him, otherwise Brainiac would have just "snapped his neck" in Solitufde after Clark triggered Zod being released. Makes sense doesn't it?

[xrayvision]

I think he would have to be stabbed to be killed, and I'm not sure Brainiac's metal form is the type that can pierce through him. I guess it can since the silver kryptonite was made of Brainiac's metal. But as to why he never tried to kill him with it, that draws me to a blank. I know Doomsday killed him by giving him a horrendous blow (as Supes did likewise to him). I think all remaining energy he had was used up and left his body vulnerable for the kill.


Originally posted by FreakyDroid
I see your point. No, he's not self resurrecting. What I ment by Immortal is that he stops ageing at some point of his life, around 45-50. I think thats what Immortal means - to stop ageing, right?

Actually, immortal means unable to die or be killed (opposite of mortal, which is capable of dying).

[Sage]

I honestly did think that Braniac is stronger than Clark . He is made of stuff that is one of clarks weaknesses..silver kryptonite.:\

I don't seem to remember what happened to Clark when he got cut by that silver kryptonite but he was not himself ... that much I remember.

And I think you could also argue that we have a young Kal-El here still developing his powers...

[alienkinfolk]

Originally posted by bobser
You forgot the part where he grew out his 90's Super-mullet. :lol:

Crap that's funny:lol:

I have that Death of Superman Issue when Doomsday hands Supes his A- on plate and he dies then. But I agree he is immortal. and as for Fine saying he could snap his neck..lies..because why let the seemingly invincible Kal-El live. It just Fine's barnyard talk because i think Clark can hand him his A- right now in a toe to toe fight. Fine has the upperhand right now because he is older,artificial and knows what pulls Clarkies heart strings.

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by christian_kryptonian
I personally think Brainaic was all talk and that Clark's neck would not have snapped. I thought that was stupid of him to say. It makes no sense. The kid is invincible even to other's strength. Only Kryptonite can hurt/kill him, otherwise Brainiac would have just "snapped his neck" in Solitufde after Clark triggered Zod being released. Makes sense doesn't it?

I understand what you are saying, but trust me, he is not invincible. He can be killed even without Kryptonite. If he's invincible, then why his enemies try to kill him?
Besides when he reaches his late 40's he also becomes resistant to Kryptonite radiation. Im not talking nonsense, this is straight from the comic books.

The immortality part. Point well taken from xrayvision and Shirkie. But I think we can have it bothways. I didn't make this up, my source again being the comics, supermanhomepage.com, dcomics.com etc etc.

[bobser]

Clark can be killed by...

1. Kryptonite
2. Magic
3. Being Overpowered with Force

The last one is hard to do and usually takes another Kryptonian (w/ Kryptonian weapons, which Brainiac happens to be) or Doomsday to pull off.

As far as "immortal" Clark can essentially "live" in the Sun for a long period time, like thousands of years, and come out fine and even more strongly powered. I see where you guys are going with that.

He can physically be killed though. I like the way the kid who could see the future (forgot his name, help!?!) put it.

"You're not like others. You don't seem to have an end."

(Scene with his cape waving in space).

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by bobser

I like the way the kid who could see the future (forgot his name, help!?!) put it.

"You're not like others. You don't seem to have an end."

(Scene with his cape waving in space).

3-12 Hereafter. The kid's name was Jordan :D

[bobser]

Originally posted by FreakyDroid
3-12 Hereafter. The kid's name was Jordan :D

Ahh, you're awesome. Thanks. :D

Come to think off it wasn't Lex shown in middle of a field with destruction all about him in that same episode? :eek:

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by bobser
Ahh, you're awesome. Thanks. :D

Come to think off it wasn't Lex shown in middle of a field with destruction all about him in that same episode? :eek: .

Thanks. The scene with Lex standing in the middle of all those skelletons was in 4-10 Scare. :)

[bobser]

Originally posted by FreakyDroid
.

Thanks. The scene with Lex standing in the middle of all those skelletons was in 4-10 Scare. :)

It looks like I need to spend some time with DVDs, I'm getting my eps all confused lol.

Is the the same as the one with the old lady who could see someones future by touch?

It seems it could be some relevant foreshadowing.

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by bobser
It looks like I need to spend some time with DVDs, I'm getting my eps all confused lol.

Is the the same as the one with the old lady who could see someones future by touch?

It seems it could be some relevant foreshadowing.

Good catch, you know I never thought about this before.

The episode with the old woman is in season 1. I think the episode was Hourglass, but don't take my word on it, because I'm not sure.

If memory serves me well, when the old woman grabbed Clark's hand she saw him standing in the middle of a graveyard surrounded by the graves of everybody he loves. Probably meaning that he will outlive them all.

The old woman and Jordan had the same vision but observed from two opposite standpoints.

[shirkie]

Hourglass is the episode where Cassandra had the vision of Lex, and Scare is the episode where Lex had his own vision of his future...

<scary music> Dah dah DAHHHHHHH!

I love all this talk about Supes in the comics. When I was younger, I was SO into the Death and Return of Superman arc and then the Hunter/Prey arc. I was like 11 when Supes died at Doomsday's hands. My little shirkie heart broke.
shirkie

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by shirkie
Hourglass is the episode where Cassandra had the vision of Lex, and Scare is the episode where Lex had his own vision of his future...

<scary music> Dah dah DAHHHHHHH!

I love all this talk about Supes in the comics. When I was younger, I was SO into the Death and Return of Superman arc and then the Hunter/Prey arc. I was like 11 when Supes died at Doomsday's hands. My little shirkie heart broke.
shirkie

Actually that's how I started with the comics. :D

I read in a newspaper Superman is dead. I said WTF???? I bought a couple comicbooks, and since then I'm on the hook :D

It has every element, you can find in a novel: romance, action, comedy, sadness, cliffhangers... It's truly amazing, really :D

[jcore0429]

Dont forget Superman/Batman, and the new issues. Awsome. Plus there coming out with those prequel issues for the movie.
As far as this thread goes, Clark gets stronger as he gets older, just read Kingdom come, at this point in his story hes very weak. And remember everyone electric Superman NEVER HAPPENED!

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by jcore0429
Dont forget Superman/Batman, and the new issues. Awsome. Plus there coming out with those prequel issues for the movie.
As far as this thread goes, Clark gets stronger as he gets older, just read Kingdom come, at this point in his story hes very weak. And remember everyone electric Superman NEVER HAPPENED!

Superman/Batman is my favorite along with Trinity. Jeph Loeb is the man :D

[shirkie]

Is that "Electric Superman" that "Superman Red/Superman Blue" crap? I never read it but it looked like crap to me. Heh.

I have never read Kingdome Come or any of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" stuff. Any of it any good?
shirkie

[FreakyDroid]

Originally posted by shirkie
Is that "Electric Superman" that "Superman Red/Superman Blue" crap? I never read it but it looked like crap to me. Heh.

I have never read Kingdome Come or any of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" stuff. Any of it any good?
shirkie

I guess it depends on the taste. It is a slightly different approach to the story introducing the Monitor (good guy)and The Anti-Monitor(bad guy) who were created by the same experiment that created the Multiverse (Earth 1,2,3...). You have Supergirl dying, Flash 2, Green Lantern dying... Basically a lot of deaths. The plot deepens to extent where almost every supervillain joins forces under Brainiac's and Alexander Luthor Jr.'s leadership to conquer all Earths of the Multiverse, then heroes and villains join forces to defeat Anti-Monitor .... The end of the story is pretty predictable, everything goes back to normal, every hero and villain returns to present day reality.

Hope it helps :D

[bobser]

Originally posted by shirkie
Is that "Electric Superman" that "Superman Red/Superman Blue" crap? I never read it but it looked like crap to me. Heh.

I have never read Kingdome Come or any of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" stuff. Any of it any good?
shirkie

It is pretty good. The CoIE stuff can be a tad confusing but it's basically like FreakyDroid explained.

The aftermath of Alex Luthor, Old school Supes and Lois, and Superboy Prime being tucked away is that you have the setup for the recent Infinite Crisis, in which some shocking DC changes occurred.

I'm bittersweet but it was a fun read too. Also, thanks for the clear-up for my muddled memory on the episodes I had confused.

[shirkie]

I loooooooooooooooooooooved Hunter/Prey. Loved it. Bertram! Kryptonian! Doomsday! Kryptonian! Amazing.
shirkie

PS-- Eeps I think we've gone off-topic oh well heh.

[jcore0429]

Read Kingdom Come. Its a great story w/amazing artwork. It mostly revolves around around Superman who has retired after the death of Lois, and the protection of the planet is handed down to the next generation of heroes. Theres also some great Superman/Batman/WWoman stuff.

[shirkie]

K, i ordered "Kingdom Come" off Amazon, woot!
shirkie

[norman619]

Originally posted by MasterVampire
when brainiac said that to clark when he had him in a hold was that true? because they both have super strength and all, but i thought clark was invincible, how could he do that without kryponite?

LOL. He's not invulnerable. It appears as such to us since we lack the understanding and technology to do anything to him. I find it funny to think there isn't anything in the universe more powerful than a Kryptonian. As I remember Lobo's race were able to kick kryptonian ass. Fine is of kryptonian design. He has shown he is as strong as a Kryptonian on Earth. Prob more so if you take into account his other abilities. I still say they should have Lobo pay Smallville a visit.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by shirkie
Is that "Electric Superman" that "Superman Red/Superman Blue" crap? I never read it but it looked like crap to me. Heh.

I have never read Kingdome Come or any of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" stuff. Any of it any good?
shirkie

Crisis was pretty good. I have some issues. I know I have the death of Barry Allen and the death of Supergirl. Now, I think they're doing something called Infinite Crisis and that One Year Later saga. 1992-1993 was the right around the end when I got sick of comics. I just hated all those special covers that started coming out in 1993. The prices went way too high. I loved the first Superman, Action Comics, and Adventures of Superman I got (I think that was the title--this was before the Man of Steel was introduced). It was a story called Dark Knight over Metropolis where Batman & Superman investigate some guy's death. I think the guy was homeless. It's been a while.

I really liked getting back issues of Batman comics. Jason Todd always interested me. And the Joker was a hardcore, evil SOB especially after what he did to Robin II (Jason Todd) & Batgirl. That's why I think the only comics I would read today are the Batman titles. I love this Red Hood story and Todd's return. I stopped collecting right around the breaking of the bat with Bane. I got some of the Hush storyline books from Ebay, but the guy didn't wrap them in sleeve's and just taped them as a bundle causing parts of the issues to tear when I opened them. Argh!!

I don't know if you read any Marvel books, but Spider-Man used to have great issues. I was only 4-5 when the Hobgoblin first appeared so I had to get them as back issues. They had great stories and Spiderman had great battles with the Hobgoblin. Then they brought in the black costume in Amazing Spiderman 252, and another incredible storyline happened. Other good ones:

Death of the Hobgoblin (happened in Spiderman vs. Wolverine)

Hobgoblin's ID revealed (in Amazing #289)

Inferno: Demons arrive on Earth and in 1 issue, the Hobgoblin III makes a deal with them as is partially possessed by a demon which later splits off into the Demonic Hobgoblin

Cosmic Spiderman- Spiderman gets cosmic powers

Gang War- Kingpin leaves town and all the mobsters want to take control

Venom - Spiderman's black costume and a reporter (Eddie Brock) who wrote a story on a killer and exposed him & whose career ended after Spiderman brought in the real killer join up and become one of Spiderman's deadliest enemies (cameos in Amazing 298-299, 1st appearance in Amazing 300)

Kraven's Last Hunt

There are too many. But if you're into Spiderman or would like to try it out, I suggest reading those. What got me hooked was the Saga of the Alien Costume trade paperback.

I just haven't gotten back to comics on a regular basis after the industry screwed up. But when I find an occasional back issue I don't have, I will pick it up.

[j-kent]

The Fallacy here is: it's not like me know the physiology of these fictional Kryptonians...for all we know, yes the writers made Kryptonians look like humans, but we don't know if they would actually die from e.g. a snapped or broken neck. They're not exactly humans. For all we know it could be like the example of a vampire snapping their neck, just a head hanging off its shoulders!

Also, most think that if both have Kryptonian super strength then they are equal regardless. Individual Kryptonians have their own degree of super strength (which is still well beyond superhuman strength) that remains under factors unknown.

In the new Supergirl comics, Supergirl is stronger than Power Girl and claims to break her arms if she wanted to. If this was so, Kryptonians would not remain broken, they would have rapidly regenerated to heal especially under direct yellow sunlight.