Lex tells the truth

[myankskent]

I hate the fact that Lex was honest with Lana about the virus and everything. They really made Clark out to be the bad guy and Lex out to be the good guy. I hope next week, we actually see an evil Lex that is not just evil because he has powers. The way they are making Lex look these days is like he is the hero of the show. I knew he wasn't going to do anything bad with the virus, it was all Brainiac's plot. Lex actually tried to do the right thing.

[AnimeJoe]

Well that's why some of us love sexy Lexy, he's a complex type of evil.. Not cookie-cutter ;)

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by myankskent
I hate the fact that Lex was honest with Lana about the virus and everything. They really made Clark out to be the bad guy and Lex out to be the good guy. I hope next week, we actually see an evil Lex that is not just evil because he has powers. The way they are making Lex look these days is like he is the hero of the show. I knew he wasn't going to do anything bad with the virus, it was all Brainiac's plot. Lex actually tried to do the right thing.

I know what you mean... when did Lex become the hero? Or are they just playing Lex like this so the fact that he'll be the big bad next week will make him seem even more evil? However, I did notice that Lex was not honest with Lana about cutting his finger and the cut healing within seconds. Now, that might be because he was taken back by this, but don't you think he would've told her?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
I know what you mean... when did Lex become the hero? Or are they just playing Lex like this so the fact that he'll be the big bad next week will make him seem even more evil? However, I did notice that Lex was not honest with Lana about cutting his finger and the cut healing within seconds. Now, that might be because he was taken back by this, but don't you think he would've told her?
He will tell her though. For now, he didn't.

[AnimeJoe]

He needs time to take it all in, Lana didn't need to know right then and there. As he gets a better understanding of it he'll probably let her in on his little secret.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
He needs time to take it all in, Lana didn't need to know right then and there. As he gets a better understanding of it he'll probably let her in on his little secret.

Well the bottom line is that Lex is not evil anymore. He used the vaccine to help people and fine uses it to threaten. Plus, Lex being totally honest with Lana is one of the most ridiculous things they could possible have done. Lana knows everything that Lex is doing. The only thing that she doesn't know is that he has powers, but he will tell her in vessel.

[Aloof]

Good! Lana could become evil with Lex and they could rule the world together! :D

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Aloof
Good! Lana could become evil with Lex and they could rule the world together! :D

Problem is, Lex isn't evil. He's the most honest character in the show at this point in time, and he doesn't have intentions of hurting anyone. Next week is probably going to be a result of the vaccine, so Lex is not evil.

[godsmack23]

most likely Lex is gonna tell Lana that Clark is the evil one that just got the powers and that he was working with Fine

[kismet]

Originally posted by godsmack23
most likely Lex is gonna tell Lana that Clark is the evil one that just got the powers and that he was working with Fine

that would be an interesting twist but i doubt the writers would do something like that

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by myankskent
Well the bottom line is that Lex is not evil anymore. He used the vaccine to help people and fine uses it to threaten. Plus, Lex being totally honest with Lana is one of the most ridiculous things they could possible have done. Lana knows everything that Lex is doing. The only thing that she doesn't know is that he has powers, but he will tell her in vessel.

They could be going the root (since Lex in the comics thinks he's a hero rather then a villain) the slowly he's fall from that path and just become a guy who thinks he a hero. but wait htat's giving the writters WAY way way to much credit.

So I don't think that's it. I think the wirtters are just messing up again and not seeing thing. (like Clark coming offf as a jerk and now Lex coming off as a hero rather then a villian).

It's funny last season at this time Lex had just been light switched to being evil and doing evil deeds and now Lex is doing good things and being a good guy. Shouldn't this have been the other way around? He's supose to get more evil not slowly going evil- then EVIL!- then kinda good but not really - good guy- evil- kinda good guy- evil - good guy... and on and on and on:rolleyes:

make up your minds!

[firefly01]

What episode was it where Lex said that the hero of the Kawatche story was Sageeth? Since the picture of that cave painting popped up in the Ezra Small stuff, the writers are obviously thinking about the Sageeth vs. Numan thing. Maybe that's why they're doing it this way? I imagine though that after the finale, going into next season, Lex's descent will be a slippery slope into darkness, where Clark will rise to become the true hero.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by angelfire east
They could be going the root (since Lex in the comics thinks he's a hero rather then a villain) the slowly he's fall from that path and just become a guy who thinks he a hero. but wait htat's giving the writters WAY way way to much credit.

So I don't think that's it. I think the wirtters are just messing up again and not seeing thing. (like Clark coming offf as a jerk and now Lex coming off as a hero rather then a villian).

It's funny last season at this time Lex had just been light switched to being evil and doing evil deeds and now Lex is doing good things and being a good guy. Shouldn't this have been the other way around? He's supose to get more evil not slowly going evil- then EVIL!- then kinda good but not really - good guy- evil- kinda good guy- evil - good guy... and on and on and on:rolleyes:

make up your minds!

So far, the most evil Lex we have seen, onyx excluded of course, was when he went nuts on Chloe at the mansion when he found the safe broken into during Commencement. I don't think Lex, this season, has even come close to that level. He was very chilly in that finale. I was hoping for more of that this season, but I guess not.

[xrayvision]

I think this was that side of Lex from the comics that shows how he wants to protect Earth from aliens like Superman who he doesn't trust.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I think this was that side of Lex from the comics that shows how he wants to protect Earth from aliens like Superman who he doesn't trust.

Yeah, possibly, but after 4 seasons of Lex being a relatively good guy, I would expect some darker stuff from his character this season. Aquaman and Cyborg were a start, but he has never wanted to kill anyone. With Cyborg, he actually helped him at the end of the episode after being an MB to him prior to that.

[SmallvilleMan]

Lex has never been a good guy. From season 1 to season 5, Lex has never been a good guy. Good people don't do what Lex has done in these 5 seasons.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Lex has never been a good guy. From season 1 to season 5, Lex has never been a good guy. Good people don't do what Lex has done in these 5 seasons.

No he hasn't, but the audience has taken a liking to him over the years with the stuff that Lionel has done to him. He has been bad, but he is not bad in this episode, IMO. Now maybe in Vessel the vaccine will cause him to be evil, who knows. But this episode told me a lot about Lana, if you're honest with her, even if the honesty can lead to danger, she'll stand by you.

[SmallvilleMan]

No he hasn't, but the audience has taken a liking to him over the years with the stuff that Lionel has done to him. He has been bad, but he is not bad in this episode, IMO. Now maybe in Vessel the vaccine will cause him to be evil, who knows. But this episode told me a lot about Lana, if you're honest with her, even if the honesty can lead to danger, she'll stand by you.

The audience taking a liking to him has nothing to do with him being good or bad IMO. Yes, Lionel has done some horrible things to him and Lex always uses that to define his bad behavior. Lex IMO, is as much a coward as Lex when defining himself and why he is who he is. And I don't believe the, "Being good or bad for an episode" thing. That doesn't change to me, either you're good or bad. As for Lana, like I said in another thread, I don't know this Lana. I don't know her intentions or whatever. All I can say, is that she probably wants honesty now. IMO, the Lana character wants something from her boyfriends, WHO AREN'T CLARK. She doesn't require anything of Clark, because she truly loves him. She made complain about things, but she would stand by him through anything. Any other boyfriend has to offer what you could call the opposite of Clark, especially now.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
The audience taking a liking to him has nothing to do with him being good or bad IMO. Yes, Lionel has done some horrible things to him and Lex always uses that to define his bad behavior. Lex IMO, is as much a coward as Lex when defining himself and why he is who he is. And I don't believe the, "Being good or bad for an episode" thing. That doesn't change to me, either you're good or bad. As for Lana, like I said in another thread, I don't know this Lana. I don't know her intentions or whatever. All I can say, is that she probably wants honesty now. IMO, the Lana character wants something from her boyfriends, WHO AREN'T CLARK. She doesn't require anything of Clark, because she truly loves him. She made complain about things, but she would stand by him through anything. Any other boyfriend has to offer what you could call the opposite of Clark, especially now.

Right, even if Clark wasn't honest with her, she would've stayed with Clark had he not broken up with her. You're right about that. But Lana apparently doesn't know the dirt on Lex. And judging by what happened in this episode, Lex wasn't doing anything to intentionally harm others. If Lex told Lana that he was planning to release the virus and kill millions, Lana would've been out the door.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"So far, the most evil Lex we have seen, onyx excluded of course, was when he went nuts on Chloe at the mansion when he found the safe broken into during Commencement. I don't think Lex, this season, has even come close to that level. He was very chilly in that finale. I was hoping for more of that this season, but I guess not."

Actually, I think Lex's evil has grown this season. In "Arrival" we really saw that dark side, then in "Mortal" we saw how far he'd go to attain knowledge of Clark's secret, then in "Aqua" the stuff he did to Aquaman was TOTALLY supervillainy stuff and bordering on evil, then "Cyborg" what he did to Victor Stone, and little things in between. I'd say this season is definitely Lex's most evil, and that the writers are doing a great job of making him progressively evil.

Someone on here commented that he's going from evil to good to kinda evil to hero to EVIL then kinda bad, etc....but I think that's the more realistic approach, rather than just making him BAM! He's evil. Or rather than making him less and less good, more and more evil, with NO signs of goodness left in him. I think it makes sense that Lex has his days when he's up to no good, but in the long-run, at least for right now, he's not trying to really hurt humanity...he thinks he's helping it. However, when he needs to, he'll do ruthless things, like what he did to Aquaman, Victor Stone, etc. to get what he wants. And that's the key. Pretty soon he'll lose sight of his goals to help humanity and become obsessed with power, and THAT is when the writers can't back off anymore. They have to continuousaly write him as a villain. By that point, it'd make sense. I don't think that if they wrote him as being pure evil this season, it'd make sense. It wouldn't. I think the writers have got it right.

"Lex has never been a good guy. From season 1 to season 5, Lex has never been a good guy. Good people don't do what Lex has done in these 5 seasons."

I think this statement is not right, at least in my own opinion. Everyone's entitled to theirs. But to say he's never been good would diminish the character impact he's had. I think he started off as, actually, a hero. He was fighting being evil, fighting his own darknesses and weakness. That is an incredibly difficult thing to do, especially for someone like Lex, who's been taught to rule others and not to care about the little peoples' feelings and all those other terrible things Lionel taught him. Any NORMAL person would have just followed in Lionel's footsteps and given up. But Lex continued to fight. I think that is what made him not only a good person for the first three seasons, but a GREAT, HEROIC person. In some ways, he was more of a hero than even Clark. Clark has the love and support of his parents. Lex didn't. But he STILL managed to do what he knew in his heart was right, which was help others, respect people, try to help humanity. Lex loved Clark (as a friend) and Clark's influence on Lex was helping Lex to see the goodness inside himself. Now that the friendship is gone, however, he sees less and less of that goodness, and thus, the evil sets in.

No, Lex was not always bad. Just as Clark was not always a superhero. "Smallville" tells us how they reached those destinies. To say Lex has never been good would be to undermine his character development, at least I believe.

Now I agree, in those first three seasons of him being good, he had his bad moments. But think about it: so did Clark. If you say Lex was never good, couldn't you say the same of Clark?

[Eklipse60]

Can we consider Lex is good because he said he was manufacturing the virus for all humanity. Was this done out of goodness or was this done so he would be the savior of all humanity? Lex craves power. That's why he hates superman so much. Because superman is more powerfull then him. I still think Lex is evil but he is not the type of evil that ties damsels to a train track.

[TalkinMac]

Lex isnt completely evil, I dont even think Metropolis Lex is full blown evil. A lot of it has to do with his upbringing.
And this Lex you can see that he craves being a good guy, you know like Clark he just knows he will never be that guy. He still has compassion, you saw him fighting against "his destiny" throughout this series.

[superman_115]

Well, you all know how the mythos goes.

Lex has always tried to play the hero and to make it that Superman is the biggest threat to humanity at all times.

[janedoe]

There was something that Lex said to Fine tonight that made me think his motives in creating the vaccine were not quite altruistic. I think Lex started to create the vaccine b/c he thought that the "ship people" would use it against the human race. He also said that when everything went down he wanted Lana to be by his side. So although he did create the vaccine i'm not so sure it was to protect mankind as much as it was to protect himself from Fine and his pals.

[AnimeJoe]

So although he did create the vaccine i'm not so sure it was to protect mankind as much as it was to protect himself from Fine and his pals.

Yeah but the vaccine would serve as VERY VERY little protection to Lex if the rest of mankind was dead and he was left to take on Fine and the rest of the alien armada on his own...

[Krypton935]

yeah I know Lex would have a fat chance of winning Lex is so stupid

[janedoe]

that's true

[abc123]

Originally posted by LuthorRequiem2
"So far, the most evil Lex we have seen, onyx excluded of course, was when he went nuts on Chloe at the mansion when he found the safe broken into during Commencement. I don't think Lex, this season, has even come close to that level. He was very chilly in that finale. I was hoping for more of that this season, but I guess not."

Actually, I think Lex's evil has grown this season. In "Arrival" we really saw that dark side, then in "Mortal" we saw how far he'd go to attain knowledge of Clark's secret, then in "Aqua" the stuff he did to Aquaman was TOTALLY supervillainy stuff and bordering on evil, then "Cyborg" what he did to Victor Stone, and little things in between. I'd say this season is definitely Lex's most evil, and that the writers are doing a great job of making him progressively evil.

Someone on here commented that he's going from evil to good to kinda evil to hero to EVIL then kinda bad, etc....but I think that's the more realistic approach, rather than just making him BAM! He's evil. Or rather than making him less and less good, more and more evil, with NO signs of goodness left in him. I think it makes sense that Lex has his days when he's up to no good, but in the long-run, at least for right now, he's not trying to really hurt humanity...he thinks he's helping it. However, when he needs to, he'll do ruthless things, like what he did to Aquaman, Victor Stone, etc. to get what he wants. And that's the key. Pretty soon he'll lose sight of his goals to help humanity and become obsessed with power, and THAT is when the writers can't back off anymore. They have to continuousaly write him as a villain. By that point, it'd make sense. I don't think that if they wrote him as being pure evil this season, it'd make sense. It wouldn't. I think the writers have got it right.

"Lex has never been a good guy. From season 1 to season 5, Lex has never been a good guy. Good people don't do what Lex has done in these 5 seasons."

I think this statement is not right, at least in my own opinion. Everyone's entitled to theirs. But to say he's never been good would diminish the character impact he's had. I think he started off as, actually, a hero. He was fighting being evil, fighting his own darknesses and weakness. That is an incredibly difficult thing to do, especially for someone like Lex, who's been taught to rule others and not to care about the little peoples' feelings and all those other terrible things Lionel taught him. Any NORMAL person would have just followed in Lionel's footsteps and given up. But Lex continued to fight. I think that is what made him not only a good person for the first three seasons, but a GREAT, HEROIC person. In some ways, he was more of a hero than even Clark. Clark has the love and support of his parents. Lex didn't. But he STILL managed to do what he knew in his heart was right, which was help others, respect people, try to help humanity. Lex loved Clark (as a friend) and Clark's influence on Lex was helping Lex to see the goodness inside himself. Now that the friendship is gone, however, he sees less and less of that goodness, and thus, the evil sets in.

No, Lex was not always bad. Just as Clark was not always a superhero. "Smallville" tells us how they reached those destinies. To say Lex has never been good would be to undermine his character development, at least I believe.

Now I agree, in those first three seasons of him being good, he had his bad moments. But think about it: so did Clark. If you say Lex was never good, couldn't you say the same of Clark?

I totally agree. An out and out evil Lex would be terrible. I think that the writers have a great opportunity here to make Lex's transition believable.

First off we have Lana -- the person that brings out whatever honesty and connection to humanity Lex has left. Hopefully she'll find out at some point about Lex's twisted manipulations (Arthur Curry, Victor Stone, girl that hypnotized Clark etc) and see that he's really a bad dude. I hope this is coupled with Lex getting a bit more evil and selfish after having had a taste of Zod's power. Once Lana leaves him, his connection to his own goodness is going to die and we're hopefully going to see badass Lex emerge.

BTW, as for what Lex ultimately craves, I don't think its as simple as 'power' at least not in the traditional sense. He can have plenty of power as a Lionel-esque corporate titan. In my favorite versions of Lex's character, what interests him is greatness -- real greatness, going beyond what people think is possible. A really fantastic example of this is a comic book called "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" which explores exactly why Lex hates Superman.

The idea is basically that Lex views Superman as an ideal which lessens the strive for greatness in human beings. When people see a blue and red god swoop down from the sky and solve out problems for us, we forget that its only through our problems that we become greater and greater.

SV's Lex isn't quite the same, but I think hints of that character have been dropped. I hope they are explored a bit in the future.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
Well the bottom line is that Lex is not evil anymore. He used the vaccine to help people and fine uses it to threaten. Plus, Lex being totally honest with Lana is one of the most ridiculous things they could possible have done. Lana knows everything that Lex is doing. The only thing that she doesn't know is that he has powers, but he will tell her in vessel.
I agree that Lex doesn't appear to be evil. I don't know what's going on on the inside. I think he's very self-serving and a little pathologicla. But I'm not sure he's ever acted really evil on SV, except in Onyx. He's acted selfish and obsessed, but he could rationalize the things he did in Aqua and Cyborg as being for the greater good -- producing a defense weapon, doing cybernetic research. I think in his own mind, Lex believes he's working for the greater good. So making the vaccine would fith right into that outlook.

The thing is, Lex's motives are really sketchy. It's like he could go full blown evil any minute. Just because he's honest on occasion, and pursues research that benefits his company doesn't make him pure of heart -- doesn't make him a good guy or a hero.

[j-kent]

Originally posted by Eklipse60
Can we consider Lex is good because he said he was manufacturing the virus for all humanity. Was this done out of goodness or was this done so he would be the savior of all humanity? Lex craves power. That's why he hates superman so much. Because superman is more powerfull then him. I still think Lex is evil but he is not the type of evil that ties damsels to a train track.

Exactly Eklipse...you've got the idea of Lex Luthor's character. Most people here are trying to prove Lex evil or good. But What constitutes evil? Good? It seems that most people here are swayed by one action that Lex has done...just evil or just good. Lex Luthor is the ultimate villian in the sense that he craves power even if it means ultimately deceiving, hurting, damaging peope along the way. Lex Luthor is not your typical savage villian, but will use his intellect to defeat Superman. This is why he craves more and more knowledge of Clark and the Kryptonian culture. The point is Lex wants to be on top, and like the show implies blood will be on his hands...

Eklipse nails the point that did he manufacture the vaccine for the benefit of humanity or for the benefit of himself to be above humanity? You can compare this to "Aqua". Lex wanted to build the sub sonar warfare weapon that would wipe out all marine life within miles, and when AC stepped in to protect marine life, Lex was willing to kill him.

Lex is the humanitarian using inhumane ways...

For some, don't be easily fooled, you must look under the surface. The writers have got Lex right on the mark to his destiny.