Lois is all about herself!

[Kreukie]

People complain that Lana all about herself, but when Clark tries to tell Lois that she's in trouble she totally rags on him, ignores him and accuses of him being jealous of the guy she's dating, then to top it off she goes and bad mouths him to Chloe.

That like five seasons worth of things people complain about Lana in one episode.

[whiteflag]

I totally agree with you.

[Chiriru]

Oh totally - I find Lana passive aggressive at times but EDLois is just blatently mean.

[TampaVille]

I think Lois's thing was more about her own frustrations with the guys she chooses. We know from her conversation with Martha that she recognizes that she's attracted to the wrong men. She was probably just venting her frustrations with herself at Clark when he tried telling her she was dating a murderer (which I'd say qualifies as "wrong men").

Plus... Lois complained for about 2 minutes maybe; we've been putting up with Lana for upwards of 5 years now =).

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by TampaVille
Plus... Lois complained for about 2 minutes maybe; we've been putting up with Lana for upwards of 5 years now =).

So three more seasons of it and you'll complain about it?

The excuse you used about Lois bad mouthing Clark doesn't make sense because she's always bad mouthing Clark for the smallest things.

[smallvillerocks45]

It's kind of funny though. From Lana's end, it always seems like "Me, Me, Me". Yet with Lois, it's "screw you. I'll do what I want. Regardless of the facts." Neither is ideal :\ , but I guess they're part of what makes the show interesting! Well, I think so... :)

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by smallvillerocks45
From Lana's end, it always seems like "Me, Me, Me". Yet with Lois, it's "screw you. I'll do what I want. Regardless of the facts."

Um, that's the same thing.

[cloisfan4life]

Lois likes to bash on Clark and vice versa. Clark while still being nice does have his moments too. Not as much as lois has, but that's their habit. They like making fun of each other its just to cover up that they do actually care for one another as friends, but they don't want to admit it just yet.

Plus Lois did admit in Fragile and past episodes that she can seriously misjudge people and feels sorry for the way she treats them. Grant it she still pokes fun at clark, but its not as much as season 4. This season you can see how Lois is serious about growing up yeah her headstrong smarty pants attitude is still there, but she's now chief of staff and wants to find love and like I said she isn't hard on clark as much as she use to. She actually complimented with words like "your a good friend" or "I'll be lucky to end up with someone as honorable as clark someday.."

As for Lana i think it was way too fast for her to get involved with Lex just because she was upset and he was there to comfort her and was honest. However she was right in Fade he made the decision to break up with her and not tell her the truth. I think Lana was kind of cold for pushing Clark away and not giving him a chance to say anything and then saying afterwards it was his decision. i'm sad about the break up and angry that clana(even if their broken up) is still dragging on. Clark needs to move on..and that means not humping the next chick that comes yer way. I mean as a man grow up and accept the consequences to yer decision. He just needs to deal with it and become a better man. Romance will come along later on..he needs to focus on himself.

[constancelight]

Oh I so agree. Even though I don't care for Lana, at least she tries to be nice and doesn't intentionally make rude comments and act like an ass. I've tried so hard to give Lois a chance, but lately she's been grinding on my nerves really bad.

[rumpuso]

Originally posted by TampaVille
I think Lois's thing was more about her own frustrations with the guys she chooses. We know from her conversation with Martha that she recognizes that she's attracted to the wrong men. She was probably just venting her frustrations with herself at Clark when he tried telling her she was dating a murderer (which I'd say qualifies as "wrong men").

Plus... Lois complained for about 2 minutes maybe; we've been putting up with Lana for upwards of 5 years now =).
Yep, I completely agree. It only took Chloe telling Lois one time that she was about to date a killer for her to back off and go help look for Clark. And the scene with Martha was perfect. It paralleled Lois' dating troubles with Clark's. I saw them successfully allowing Lois to acknowledge that she is imperfect and to me, that makes her more approachable. This is square one Lois which is reminiscent of square one Clark back when he was reactive and immature.

[shuyin131]

Ya see, the writers are so terrible that they had to bring something back that pertained to another character and planted it in Lois because they obviously do not have any material for Lois, so they make it up or take from others.

[whiteflag]

Originally posted by rumpuso
This is square one Lois which is reminiscent of square one Clark back when he was reactive and immature.

I respectfully disagree. Lois' behaviour has nothing to do with Clark's, ever, Imo. They are not alike, in any sense. She doesn't have to go through the things he does on a daily basis. And she doesn't care for people as he does.

I would never compare her level of "immaturity" to Clark's, neither her actions or reactions. In fact, I would never compare her to Clark in any way.

[Nerial]

I didn't think it was that big a deal. Sure, she snapped at Clark, but she always snaps at Clark, and she later admitted to Martha that she stinks at relationships.

I'm not saying she should have snapped at Clark for it, but that wasn't a big deal. She just caught him in her apartment while she was naked. Even if he was there to protect her, she had a right to be a little upset about the fact in general.

[SVFan7337]

Some of you are forgetting the whole A.C. (Aquaman) situation. I think some of Lois's frustration was due to the memory of how Clark acted then, and he was actually wrong about that one and admitted it. So she sort of had the right, imo, to get a little frustrated with Clark when she hadn't seen anything weird with this new guy herself.

[myankskent]

Lois is annoying. I'm not saying that Lana's isn't, but you can at least get inside of Lana's head. Lois just has a nasty comment for everyone. Lana shoots nasty comments over to Clark if she knows that he his deliberately hiding something from her, but what is Lois' excuse to be mean? Damn, I mean the Kents are allowing her to live at their house for goodness sakes.

[SVFan7337]

Originally posted by myankskent
Lois is annoying. I'm not saying that Lana's isn't, but you can at least get inside of Lana's head. Lois just has a nasty comment for everyone. Lana shoots nasty comments over to Clark if she knows that he his deliberately hiding something from her, but what is Lois' excuse to be mean? Damn, I mean the Kents are allowing her to live at their house for goodness sakes.

Lois lives above the Talon, not at the Kent farm. (Hence the whole shower scene above the Talon). But she does drop in at the Kent's whenever she feels like it apparently.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by SVFan7337
Lois lives above the Talon, not at the Kent farm. (Hence the whole shower scene above the Talon). But she does drop in at the Kent's whenever she feels like it apparently.

Fine, but she was living with Kents for more than a year.

[cloisfan4life]

why are you guys hating so much on lois..clark and lois like to rag on each other yeah lois more than clark, but like i said it just becomes a HABIT of theirs. Even Clark admitted that he was use to it. Lois can be mean, but that doesn't mean she doesn't care about anybody. Her behavior and smarty pants remarks can get some people riled up on her, but that's just how she is. She likes to be outspoken she puts that i don't care i say what i want to say wall. So no one can spot that she can be vulnerable and you clearly see that when she's talking to Martha at the end of "Fade". I think Martha kind of open her eyes to not be so stuck up and judge every guy or person. Working for Martha will probably be a good experience because when Lois has her troubles martha can help be more grown up. I think we'll see a different lois next season or maybe even by the end of this season.

[SVFan7337]

Originally posted by myankskent
Fine, but she was living with Kents for more than a year.

She has shown a kind and courageous side to repaying the Kents for living there, too---when she searched for Martha and helped dig her out after the second meteor shower. I agree with those who say her "meanness" to Clark is just part of how they enjoy giving each other a hard time. I think all the smirks and eyerolls on both their parts have made that part of their relationship clear.

As for this particular episode I still think Lois was partly frustrated because Clark was off the mark in his last interference with her and A.C. and partly because she hated to admit she rarely attracts the good guys--all realistic imo.

[godsmack23]

the only reason the bash at each other so much is because they dont want to admit to the fact that they do like eachother...

[Lexgirl33]

Ah the biatches of smallville :lol:

Lois is just blunt and states whats on her mind. It seems to be a cover up for what shes really feeling.

[ms.c.]

EdLois is a very negative person.

Just think back on how she was so rude to Maddie in Fragile.

[whiteflag]

So Lois is justified because she speaks her mind, regardless of who she hurts in the process? We live with people and we have to show some concern about their feelings.

Being outspoken can be no justification for being mean, selfish and even hurtful, not to mention annoying.

[SteveS]

Annoying is not nearly a strong enough word to describe Lois' deficient personality. Whereas Lana can turn on Clark in an instant and shift from being sweet and nice to tempermental whatever, Lois virtually always has an ugly comment from her unthinking mouth. Her comments are biting, snide and thoughtless. A couple of "I'm sorrys" really doesn't compensate for what appears to be a lifetime of personality ugliness as opposed to a body beautiful. Like the old saying, 'beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone." Smallville's Lois has ugly all the way to the bone. And is shows in her actions not in her being naked.

The new Superman movie will bring another Lois name and she won't look like ED. I don't know of many or any who have seen the movie, so we don't know how Lois will be portrayed. I will guess that she will be outspoken and independent, yet I doubt very seriously that Singer will portray her as a woman with an ever-ready ugly word, non-stop in Clark or Superman's case. The reason he wouldn't do so, is that he realizes this makes a sizeable portion of the audience dislike that kind of character and Lois with her new child will be someone that people can sympathize with on one level. It won't be a case of reviewing her boobs and abs to determine if she is a worthwhile significant other for Superman.

So, for Smallville's version to gain anything from what I think will be the new paradigm for Lois (for maybe a decade or more, who knows), then she has to has non-plastic surgery on her personality and inner character as a person in order to bring her into alignment with the real Lois Lane of the new movie(s).

The pat response of 'it's the journey, yaddy yadda or 'she's only freakin' 20' don't and won't work. Personally, I doubt very seriously that Smallville can successfully transform it's Lois into a likeable and believable success as a person worthy to be connected to Superman.

[SVFan7337]

Well, if they can turn Clark's character from what he is now (a selfish, whiney liar) into the legend we all love (never tells a lie), then they can turn their current Lois into the future Lois we all love. They have a hard job cut out for both characters, imo.

[batfinx]

I like reading these threads to see what ship someone is shipping and how it effects their opinion of each character. Clark really hasn't evolved to a point where he's much of a prize for anyone, but every shipper fan wants their girl to have him and every girl who isn't in their ship is somehow unworthy of his unworthiness :lol:

[puddinpiester]

I so do not like this rendition of Lois. I, too, find her annoying, distracting, and out of place. Need more guys on the show. Even if one is a perpetual villian who challenges Clark at every turn. Four gals to two 3 guys. I want better odds.

[Timester]

Originally posted by batfinx
I like reading these threads to see what ship someone is shipping and how it effects their opinion of each character. Clark really hasn't evolved to a point where he's much of a prize for anyone, but every shipper fan wants their girl to have him and every girl who isn't in their ship is somehow unworthy of his unworthiness :lol:

There is only one ship. Jorlana is the name. :p

[SteveS]

Ah, but ClarkMan is likeable even with his flaws and goes about doing thankless good in just about every episode.

Clark's 'lies' usually revolve around not telling what is probably the single greatest secret in his world to any number of immature kids or a seriously ethically deficient older 'friend' who has shown himself unworthy of trust, especially of a secret of such magnitude that the consequences for friends and family could be death.

Lois ain't in the same boat there either.

[Timester]

Originally posted by SteveS
Ah, but ClarkMan is likeable even with his flaws and goes about doing thankless good in just about every episode.

Clark's 'lies' usually revolve around not telling what is probably the single greatest secret in his world to any number of immature kids or a seriously ethically deficient older 'friend' who has shown himself unworthy of trust, especially of a secret of such magnitude that the consequences for friends and family could be death.

Lois ain't in the same boat there either.

In your opinion. Just ask what Clana fans think about Clark now (without even bringing the Superman fans). ;)

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by batfinx
I like reading these threads to see what ship someone is shipping and how it effects their opinion of each character. Clark really hasn't evolved to a point where he's much of a prize for anyone, but every shipper fan wants their girl to have him and every girl who isn't in their ship is somehow unworthy of his unworthiness :lol:

People who ship are mostly females, they just want to see the girl they can relate to the most with get down and dirty with the guy they would like to get down and dirty with.

With most females who like Clark, don't like him because he's a great character, but because he's easy on the eyes. ;)

If Tom was ugly, do you honestly think so many females would care for him? :lol:

[ms.c.]

I don't really like Clark that much except when I see him thru Chloe's eyes. She makes him sound much kinder and nobler than he does otherwise.

I personally think Lex is much sexier. He was working that hospital outfit.

[Nerial]

Originally posted by Kreukie
People who ship are mostly females, they just want to see the girl they can relate to the most with get down and dirty with the guy they would like to get down and dirty with.

With most females who like Clark, don't like him because he's a great character, but because he's easy on the eyes. ;)

If Tom was ugly, do you honestly think so many females would care for him? :lol:

He is very easy on the eyes. No doubt. But, there are ten thousands good-looking actors in ten thousand different shows; while I love Tom, and think he does a great job with Clark, it's Clark's character that mostly appeals to me.

I don't know who ships; I have my least favorite girl, and my favorite, but there isn't a girl I particularly hate and particularly love.

Oh...and in real life, I'd definitely blush if I caught Tom passing me by. I mean--yikes! :lol:

[puddinpiester]

I agree with Nerial. I like the character-Clark Kent. Don't know TW. But there are many good looking guys in the world. Only one Clarkie.

[MetroGirl06]

Lois is not a b*tch for speaking her mind. How can I put this, its.... Lois. Her sarcasm is a way of poking fun at Clark, Clark just finds her annoying. Lana uses the whole guilt trip thing that makes Clark go up in his loft to brood, now THATS annoying. AlMiles probably wanted a stronger female character for the show. Doesn't mean she's a bad person by the way she interacts with Chloe and Martha. Lois has soft side, she just doesnt let it out as often.

[Keyser Soze]

About Lois being all about herself, wasn't she all about herself in the first season of "The Adventures of Lois and Clark"?

What I am saying is that in every characterization of Lois down the ages she has always started out with this headstrong, me orientated trate, so why should Smallville be any different?

[Superman_Beyond]

Lois had a right to snap at Clark. He comes into her apartment only to say stay away from Graham. He never says hes dangerous or he has the power to turn invisible. From Lois's point of view it would seem Clark isi trying to get ine her business.

[bobser]

Lois needs to be tough though. That's why Clark likes her.

They should make her tone down some of the attitude though for next season.

[CallMeClark]

I think we are all ready for some pre-Clois in season six. And I like her attitude. She and Chloe give us the humor we need.

[smallvillerocks45]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Um, that's the same thing.
Is it? I guess it could be. What I was going on, however was that Lana wants all the attention on her and to get what she wants, but Lois could care less if attention is on her as long as she gets what she wants. hmm, maybe it was too late and I couldn't think of a better example than "me, me, me" and "screw you, I'll do whatever I want, etc...". Is it still the same thing if it's rephrased differently? Maybe it is - I don't know - I thought, all this time that they were different things.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
I think we are all ready for some pre-Clois in season six. And I like her attitude. She and Chloe give us the humor we need.
I so agree.

And I also agree that Lois had every right to lash out at Clark. He didnt give any back up to his statement about Graham, and shes just supposed to say "ok"? If he really wanted her to believe him, then she shouldve told her everything he knew at that point, he didnt say much except that he was dangerous.

I think this thread should be locked. Its more of a Lois bash thread now.:rolleyes:

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by bobser
Lois needs to be tough though. That's why Clark likes her.

They should make her tone down some of the attitude though for next season.

I think as Lois matures, we'll see the attitude diminish a little, and I hope to see this next season. But nevertheless, I agree with you. She's a tough cookie and shoots straight from the hip, even to the point where she admits she's wrong. Yes, she complains, but who doesn't? Clark does like her, and this is evident in their episodic banter.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by Kreukie
People who ship are mostly females, they just want to see the girl they can relate to the most with get down and dirty with the guy they would like to get down and dirty with.

With most females who like Clark, don't like him because he's a great character, but because he's easy on the eyes. ;)

If Tom was ugly, do you honestly think so many females would care for him? :lol:

I don't agree with this at all. First before Reckoning, I liked all 3 girls pretty equally, but things have change and I don't like Lana now, but like both Chloe and Lois, and would be happy to have either one with Clark. I'm more about seeing Clark happy, because it is Clark the character I care about the most.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by SVFan7337
She has shown a kind and courageous side to repaying the Kents for living there, too---when she searched for Martha and helped dig her out after the second meteor shower. I agree with those who say her "meanness" to Clark is just part of how they enjoy giving each other a hard time. I think all the smirks and eyerolls on both their parts have made that part of their relationship clear.

As for this particular episode I still think Lois was partly frustrated because Clark was off the mark in his last interference with her and A.C. and partly because she hated to admit she rarely attracts the good guys--all realistic imo.

I think that's why she was so rude. He was a huge jerk when it came to A.C plus as you (and others) have said the reason.

Was she rude yes, did I enjoy it no. But Clark did a bad job of explaning why guy was bad. He just wants in and says "he's bad got to go". You could think telling Lois the guy can become invisble after she tells him she thought someone was in her apartment while she was shower would be higher on his list. For all Clark knew that guy could have been there to rape Lois or something horrible like that. It's kinda "need to know info" in my books

[Chiriru]

because they obviously do not have any material for Lois,

I think that sums it up. Unlike everyone else, her character isn't an archtype. She doesn't have a purpose in Smallville; she doesn't even have the place that Lois Lane would normally have in a story.

She's just there.

And because she's just there she has to fill the role that SV didn't have - that of the bafoon, the character that you laugh at their idiocrasy instead of wit, and their stupid actions instead of how clever they are.

She's there to make us laugh - she's like Pete.

But, Pete was funny. Pete was compassionate. Pete wasn't mean unless he was on something. EDLois' humor is always at someone elses expense - I don't find it humorous, I find it *cruel.*


Lois is annoying. I'm not saying that Lana's isn't, but you can at least get inside of Lana's head. Lois just has a nasty comment for everyone. Lana shoots nasty comments over to Clark if she knows that he his deliberately hiding something from her, but what is Lois' excuse to be mean? Damn, I mean the Kents are allowing her to live at their house for goodness sakes.

She's a rude nasty ingrate that depends on nepotism for everything in her life from her job to her living arrangements. It's really revolting when held up to Lois' of past years.

[alienkinfolk]

Originally posted by Chiriru
She's a rude nasty ingrate that depends on nepotism for everything in her life from her job to her living arrangements. It's really revolting when held up to Lois' of past years.

ouch..but you are right. I just think that the writers are trying to build the sexual tension between her and clark.
At first i thought she was just the opposite of lana but now she getting quite needy and always fallin' for the dangerous types.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by alienkinfolk
I just think that the writers are trying to build the sexual tension between her and clark.


Why? It's not we'll ever see them together. :rolleyes:

If they want to make this series about Clark and Lois, then why even call the series Smallville?

This story meant to be about Clark's life before all that, yet every episode we're reminded again and again about something that's nowhere near of ever happening on the series.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by alienkinfolk
At first i thought she was just the opposite of lana but now she getting quite needy and always fallin' for the dangerous types.
Do you think so? I thought her attraction to that guy came right out of the clear blue skies. And I don't remember Lois being attracted to anyone else but Aquaman. I was taking her at her word for what she said to Martha about her past, but on SV -- she's been pretty independent.

[alienkinfolk]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Do you think so? I thought her attraction to that guy came right out of the clear blue skies. And I don't remember Lois being attracted to anyone else but Aquaman.

okay i might have been reachin' with the dangerous types bit. let me re tract that statement. it's just she hasn't won me over yet. too me she doesn't fit quite easily in the SV mold yet.She has no purpose.


Originally posted by Kreukie
Why? It's not we'll ever see them together. :rolleyes:



i wouldn't say that just yet. As quick as they threw this lexana together this season...Clark and lois hooking up is quite possibe next season.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by alienkinfolk
i wouldn't say that just yet. As quick as they threw this lexana together this season...Clark and lois hooking up is quite possibe next season.

Why is this series even called Smallville again if they're going to do that?

So we're going to see the same angst like Clana, just with Clois?

Since I can't see Clark being with Lois during his teen years for it to last until he becomes Superman, without Lois not questioning him about why he disappears all the time. :rolleyes:

[alienkinfolk]

Tptb just might start off a clark and lois ship w/ him being honest.kinda like a mary/jane peter parker thing.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by alienkinfolk
Tptb just might start off a clark and lois ship w/ him being honest.kinda like a mary/jane peter parker thing.

Oh boy, if Clois happens next season, will Clark be flying and working at the Daily Planet too? :rolleyes:

[alienkinfolk]

yeah cause the writers are in some kinda rush we don't know about;)

[Miss L]

I honestly don't see the mean in Lois that some of you are talking about--with the exception of her remarks about Maddie (but I also think that was more caricature than character).

She's blunt. She often speaks before she thinks and that is her biggest problem. Foot in mouth. Her social skills seem lacking--immature. But I don't see the mean. I rewatched the episode just for this thread, and the only time she sounds even close to mean was when she snapped at Clark--and like others have pointed out, she had prior experience with Clark/Aqua that gave her license. Also, Clark didn't exactly give her much information, so who could blame her?


I also disagree about the nepotism. I think she has been in the right place at the right time, and because she is aggressive, politics kind of suit her. Qualified? Maybe not. But she does rise to the occasion.

And don't argue back with me about the whole kicked out of college thing. (I guess you can argue if you want, but I won't see your side on this issue.) I went to a "party school" there was a lot of irresponsible behavior. Involving alcohol. And yet people managed to eventually find themselves, figure out what they wanted, grew up, and were successful. So will Lois. But not by next week.

I hope Clark and Lois continue to spar. I hope their friendship continues to grow a little at a time. And I hope they don't get together until after the series is over.

If you want to witness real mean girls, come observe the triumvirate I have in my 6th period class. They take the cake.:rolleyes:

[rumpuso]

Originally posted by Miss L
I honestly don't see the mean in Lois that some of you are talking about--with the exception of her remarks about Maddie (but I also think that was more caricature than character).

She's blunt. She often speaks before she thinks and that is her biggest problem. Foot in mouth. Her social skills seem lacking--immature. But I don't see the mean. I rewatched the episode just for this thread, and the only time she sounds even close to mean was when she snapped at Clark--and like others have pointed out, she had prior experience with Clark/Aqua that gave her license. Also, Clark didn't exactly give her much information, so who could blame her?


I also disagree about the nepotism. I think she has been in the right place at the right time, and because she is aggressive, politics kind of suit her. Qualified? Maybe not. But she does rise to the occasion.

And don't argue back with me about the whole kicked out of college thing. (I guess you can argue if you want, but I won't see your side on this issue.) I went to a "party school" there was a lot of irresponsible behavior. Involving alcohol. And yet people managed to eventually find themselves, figure out what they wanted, grew up, and were successful. So will Lois. But not by next week.

I hope Clark and Lois continue to spar. I hope their friendship continues to grow a little at a time. And I hope they don't get together until after the series is over.

If you want to witness real mean girls, come observe the triumvirate I have in my 6th period class. They take the cake.:rolleyes:
Another good post. I'm not sure why Lois comes across as mean to some people and not to others. She certainly doesn't seem that way to me. I see her just expressing herself in a reactive way, similar to people who have nervous laughter after everything they say. It's her norm. But is she cruel? Absolutely not. Her surface layer is tough; she probably tries to appear that way to keep others away. Apparently it's working for quite a few here too. :)


Originally posted by Chiriru
She's a rude nasty ingrate that depends on nepotism for everything in her life from her job to her living arrangements. It's really revolting when held up to Lois' of past years.
I gotta go with "ouch" on this one too. Kinda harsh.

[Watching Smallville]

Great post, Miss L. I don't get the "mean" part, either. I've never seen Lois try to hurt anyone, or anyone's feelings.

[batfinx]

think that sums it up. Unlike everyone else, her character isn't an archtype. She doesn't have a purpose in Smallville; she doesn't even have the place that Lois Lane would normally have in a story

ED's Lois actually is an archetype and an amalgam of Lois Lanes throughout that character's history. It's impossible to say what her 'place' in a story would be since she's not her future self yet. There's no definitive answer as to how Lois Lane became a reporter no more than there's a definitive answer to how Clark Kent became Superman. You'll simply see variations throughout the myth's history. In the radio show Clark came to Earth fully grown.


And because she's just there she has to fill the role that SV didn't have - that of the bafoon, the character that you laugh at their idiocrasy instead of wit, and their stupid actions instead of how clever they are

That's harsh. Some actresses who played Lois were good at physical and visual humor, Teri Hatcher in particular, but Margot Kidder had her moments too and I think ED is good also. Lois expresses her wit in sarcasm, not Noel Coward bon mots. Watch the first couple of Superman movies, L&C, the old George Reeves show, especially with Phyllis Coates playing Lois, or the animated series. Sometimes her sarcasm crosses the line and becomes cruel. Sometimes she apologizes and other times she's unaware that she crossed the line at all.


But, Pete was funny. Pete was compassionate. Pete wasn't mean unless he was on something. EDLois' humor is always at someone elses expense - I don't find it humorous, I find it *cruel.*

Like I said, she could be cruel. Teri's Lois called Clark a "hack from nowhweresville" and that not only insulted his writing by calling him a hack, it insulted his hometown. It sounds a lot meaner than calling him Richie Cunningham :lol:


She's a rude nasty ingrate that depends on nepotism for everything in her life from her job to her living arrangements. It's really revolting when held up to Lois' of past years.

There's no nepotism since that means getting a job from a relative and she's not related to the Kents even by marriage yet :lol: She's certainly not an ingrate. She worked at the Talon for Martha and helped Jonathan find Martha in the rubble of the collapsed farmhouse. She thanked the Kents for everything they'd done for her and said they were the parents she always wanted.

Jonathan made Lois his campaign manager because she, unlike Clark, was keeping up with Jonathan's campaign and that's how she knew the other campaign manager was making up quotes and putting them in the paper saying they were Jonathan's quotes. Lois worked hard for him and even took the blame for Martha accepting money from Lionel.

I realize she won't win no matter what she does. When Lois was doing reporting for the Torch, there were some who complained that Lois was usurping Chloe's role on the show and so when the writers gave Lois a role away from journalism, it merely gave them an excuse to say ED's Lois isn't the real Lois because she's not into journalism. :lol: But for me, I like her and look forward to the episodes she's in and enjoyed her in Fade very much.

[whiteflag]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I don't get the "mean" part, either. I've never seen Lois try to hurt anyone, or anyone's feelings.

I DO see her hurting others' feelings and not regretting it. She doesn't seem to care about the effect her words/actions have on others as long as she can say the blunt, and even cruel, things that come to her mind.

For instance, she was hurtful and judgemental to Clark in "Pariah" publicly when she barely knew him and had not right to make that comment. And she never apologized to him.

In real life you have to measure your words. If someone doesn't just because "she's like that" that's not an excuse. You are still hurtful, even if the recipient of the harsh words is kind, or blind, enough to let them pass.


Originally posted by Chiriru
Unlike everyone else, her character isn't an archtype. She doesn't have a purpose in Smallville; she doesn't even have the place that Lois Lane would normally have in a story.

She's just there.

And because she's just there she has to fill the role that SV didn't have - that of the bafoon, the character that you laugh at their idiocrasy instead of wit, and their stupid actions instead of how clever they are.

She's there to make us laugh - she's like Pete.

But, Pete was funny. Pete was compassionate. Pete wasn't mean unless he was on something. EDLois' humor is always at someone elses expense - I don't find it humorous, I find it *cruel.*

I completely agree on all that!

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by whiteflag
I DO see her hurting others' feelings and not regretting it. She doesn't seem to care about the effect her words/actions have on others as long as she can say the blunt, and even cruel, things that come to her mind.
If she does say something hurtful, it isn't intentional. She's frank, she says what she thinks. She doesn't tip toe around people. To me, in SV, that's a breath of fresh air. Sometimes she's awkward, but I don't recall her making any cruel remarks.

"Mean" people are intentionally hurtful. That's the difference.

[rumpuso]

Fabulous post batfinx. Really enjoyed reading your rebuttal. Excellent points made.




Hi Whiteflag. xx

[MBCorp]

Excellent post, batfinx.



Originally posted by Chiriru
But, Pete was funny. Pete was compassionate. Pete wasn't mean unless he was on something. EDLois' humor is always at someone elses expense - I don't find it humorous, I find it *cruel.*

She's a rude nasty ingrate that depends on nepotism for everything in her life from her job to her living arrangements. It's really revolting when held up to Lois' of past years.

Unlike Lois, Pete was completely devoid of any sort of personality. He was boring. Personally I'd take Lois over Pete any day.

People must have thinner skins than me because I don't get Lois' humor as "cruel" or "nasty" or whatever. She's refreshingly blunt and says what she means. Sometimes she's a bit tactless but that's part of her charm. Personally I've found some of Chloe's sarcastic quips in the past to be alot more cruel than anything that Lois has ever said.

Not quite sure how the "nepotism" remark refers to Lois. She's not related to Martha in any way, and Martha hired her because Lois did such a good job with Jonathan's campaign. It would make sense that she'd hire someone who she knew would get the job done right. And I don't think people who go on about how "dumb" Lois is are giving her enough credit for the good work that she did on Jonathan's campaign.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
If she does say something hurtful, it isn't intentional. She's frank, she says what she thinks. She doesn't tip toe around people. To me, in SV, that's a breath of fresh air. Sometimes she's awkward, but I don't recall her making any cruel remarks.

"Mean" people are intentionally hurtful. That's the difference.

Exactly. And it is a Lois Lane trait to be blunt and to say whatever she thinks. Just like it's a Lois Lane trait for her not to be overly impressed with Clark (at first).

[whiteflag]

I respect other people's opinions but, to me, this Lois comes across as mostly annoying and often mean, rude and ungrateful. Imo, of course.

But the main problem I find with the SV Lois is that she doesn't seem to serve any real purpose on the show. I think that most of the time they don't know what to do with her or how to fit her in the storylines.


*Hi Rumpuso xx*

[rumpuso]

Originally posted by whiteflag
But the main problem I find with the SV Lois is that she doesn't seem to serve any real purpose on the show. I think that most of the time they don't know what to do with her or how to fit her in the storylines.

I do wish they'd define a definite path for her if they intend to keep her on the show as a regular.

:)

[Chiriru]

ED's Lois actually is an archetype

Not in Smallville.

There is a reason why Clark, Lex and Chloe are so popular. Television, movies, comics - these are our campires as my film teacher would say. Rather than oral tradition, it's mass media that shows us the stories about *us* as people. And as Joe Campbell would point out - Lex, Chloe, Clark... they are archetypal characters on traditional journeys. Stories about people (not just villians but men who fall, not just heros but guys who always try to do better, not just questioners but those who willingly want to know more/the truth) have been around for eons. They are things we see in ourselves and in each other.

Lana even, has somewhat of an archtypal role -- all thought it's not really as big as it should be on the show and ti is shared with by the Kents: the symbol of what is safe and normal and kind of who they were before they go on this journey.

In fact, I think you could put almost every major cast member into an archtypal role (sometimes gaining, changing, but in basic archtypal roles) except EDLois who is static. Even Pete has a natural, organic role that is defined -- and that's not a bad thing, that's a good thing. Archetypes make stories last -- Superman wouldn't work if it didn't tap into those archtypes, certainly not for 60 years and getting new retellings for every generation.

Now, Lois of the comics? SHE is an archtype, SHE has a role.

EDLois as pointed out time and time again *has no natural place in the narrative* - everything she does could easilly and more naturally be done by Lana, by Chloe, or by Clark himself. She's not calling Clark to action. She's not seting things in his way. She's not helping him grow. She's not holding him back. She's not doing anything - and by all the nepotism that she gets, she's not growing EITHER.


malgam of Lois Lanes throughout that character's history

She's a copy of the Modern Age Lois in terms of background and quirky behavior. Please point out another Lois who flunked out of HS. Or dropped out. Or was kicked out of college. Or whom leeched off the Kents. Or who worked in politics. Or in the state capital. Because as a long term comic fan, I've never seen any of that happen before.


That's harsh.

Not really - the buffoon is as close to an archtype as she has.


A ludicrous or bumbling person; a fool.

We're meant to laugh when she puts sunglasses on to "not get hypnoed." We're supposed to think it's hilarious that she'd open the door naked. We're supposed to think it's funny that she can out drink people or that she's an educational failure. That's laughing *at* her because what she does is foolish, not laughing *with* her because what she did is clever.


Sometimes her sarcasm crosses the line and becomes cruel. Sometimes she apologizes and other times she's unaware that she crossed the line at all.

We've seen it with Chloe - I'm not behind on my pancanon, I know about LnC and the movies. But I persoanlly think there is a really big difference in say, TH's "tone" than the "tone" they gave to ED. Same with the comics and the movies to ED. Her humor is cut down to the lowest common denominator ("Emphasis on CUT!") and it's generally unamusing.


"hack from nowhweresville"

I don't find that as cruel as dismissing him and his town and his family while depending on them for home, food, and jobs. People can get away with being meaner when they aren't dependant on the people they are being nasty too.


There's no nepotism since that means getting a job from a relative

Let's go to the dictionary:


nepotism

n : favoritism shown to relatives or close friends by those in power (as by giving them jobs)

(Dictionary.Com, the entry from Princeton University if you don't believe me.)

It IS nepotism. She didn't want the jobs, she didn't ask for the jobs, she was given the jobs because Martha and Jonathan liked her. Had they not liked her? She wouldn't of been hired. It's that simple.


Lois did such a good job with Jonathan's campaign

...by taking a money from a man Jonathan hated; by invalidating his stance as the non-Luthor canidate by being backed by Luthor money; and the confrontation because of her taking that money meant that he would have to pay for it (said so himself in Lockdown) instead of the people who actually CHOSE to invalidate his stance (Martha and Lois.) I'm sorry, that's not a good job no matter how loudly they say it on the show.


But the main problem I find with the SV Lois is that she doesn't seem to serve any real purpose on the show. I think that most of the time they don't know what to do with her or how to fit her in the storylines.

That's exactly the problem and exactly why on SV I don't believe they are writing her like an archtype because archtypes always have natural places in Hero's Journey's (which is what SV is).

[mmvmartha]

Lois personality is suppose to be like that.. Kind of nasty and snappy, the know it all basically.. So in a way its kind of nice to see a difference or comaprison to Lana because she is soo the opposite. I find that interesting and exciting in Lois character. Lana's character personality is a bit admirable because i could never be that passive.... Especially when the love of my Life dumps me for no good reason or he continued to lie to me without explanation.....

[whiteflag]

Great post, Chiriru!

[Miss L]

from Chiriru
...by taking a money from a man Jonathan hated; by invalidating his stance as the non-Luthor canidate by being backed by Luthor money; and the confrontation because of her taking that money meant that he would have to pay for it (said so himself in Lockdown) instead of the people who actually CHOSE to invalidate his stance (Martha and Lois.) I'm sorry, that's not a good job no matter how loudly they say it on the show.


Lois didn't take the money. Martha did. Lois didn't know it was from Lionel until she pulled Martha aside and asked her where the money was coming from. Lois can't be blamed for that.

I realize people invested in a show will see what they want to see and will have expectations that aren't met that distort their opinions. I'm sure that's true of me as well. But as Watching Smallvillle pointed out, if Lois says something that comes off as mean it isn't intentional. "Mean," "Nasty," and "Cruel," all have connotations of doing or saying something with forethought or consciously. Lois blurts stuff out without thinking. Stupid, yes. Cruel? No. For instance in Pariah her remark as Clark and Alicia came in to the Talon were not meant to be heard by everyone. She blurted before thinking about the mike being on. I'm sure a lot of people might have been thinking the same thing. Possibly even Chloe.

Lois herself has acknowledged her being quick to judge. But that still doesn't make her intentionally mean.

As for her place in this story, I guess that's AlMiles decision. Pete was a throw-away character who was used when an extra person was needed in the story. So is Lois. I don't think that Lois' part in Fade could have been logistically played by Chloe or Lana. Same in Aqua. Chloe has a different role in the storylines, so does Lana, and so does Clark. Go back and think through the stories that include Lois. Pull her out and replace her with one of the main characters. The stories won't work right. Lois may be peripheral, but the character is added when they need that other person. That the "other person" is Lois Lane, and that we all know who she eventually turns out to be kind of makes it fun. At least for me.

Also: Her getting a job at the Talon seemed like a normal step for someone who needs to make ends meet at a time in her life when she doesn't know what else she wants to do. She did take an active interest in Jonathon's campaign and that worked to her advantage. Her work must have suitably impressed Martha or Martha wouldn't have even considered her for a job. I think we could also argue that Chloe has done some things this season that some find hard to believe in the hacking/tech arena--not to mention getting a front page byline at this very early stage in her career. If Chloe can make leaps and bounds, why can't Lois?

Now if only Clark would follow suit.

[Watching Smallville]

One thing I like about Lois in the show is that she is the non-Smallville person in the mix. Lex would be, too, but his life was shaped by being in Smallville during the meteor shower. I like Lois as representing a different path for Clark, a new perspective, a new way of doing things. She gives the outsider's view of things, which I appreciate. I would have liked her to stay in Metropolis and not have so many Smallville connections.

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by Miss L
Lois didn't take the money. Martha did. Lois didn't know it was from Lionel until she pulled Martha aside and asked her where the money was coming from. Lois can't be blamed for that.
Yes she can. In Fanatic, Martha told Lois where she would get the money to fund Jonathan's campaign and said that Lois would have to keep it a secret from Jonathan. That's why, in Lockdown Lois kept avoiding the topic when Jonathan tried to ask her where she got the money.

[Miss L]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Yes she can. In Fanatic, Martha told Lois where she would get the money to fund Jonathan's campaign and said that Lois would have to keep it a secret from Jonathan. That's why, in Lockdown Lois kept avoiding the topic when Jonathan tried to ask her where she got the money.

How is that all Lois' fault and not (also) Martha's? In Lockdown Lois reluctantly confesses to Jonathon that the money came from Lionel. She left Martha out of the equation, essentially covering for her. Then Martha tells Jonathon that she took the money and makes a very compelling argument that everyone's campaign contributions should be viewed equally.

Of course taking money from Lionel would be problematic, but Lois was not responsible for actually accepting the contribution. She just used it the way any decent campaign manager would in order to benefit the candidate she represented. And in reviewing that part of Lockdown I was also reminded that being Jonathon's campaign manager was an unpaid position. So it isn't as if Lois was sponging off the Kents in that instance.

It's been kind of fun going back and rewatching to get my facts straight.:p

[Kryptonian Snake]

I didn't mean to imply that Martha wasn't also responsible. But Lois could have easily told Martha that she couldn't accept the money because it would contradict Jonathan's position as an opponent of serving "big business". If the public had known about the contribution, Jonathan would have been labelled a hypocrite or "flip-flopper" and he probably would have lost support. Even though I understood Lois' and Martha's arguments, integrity of a candidate is extremely important in a political campaign.

[Miss L]

I see your point. But in Lois' defense here, that just shows her youth and reinforces her penchant for doing/saying things before thinking it through. Martha should have known better.

I've enjoyed this thread, I hadn't realized how consistent the character of Lois has been (...for the mostpart, since nothing on Smallville is ever 100% consistent).

[Timester]

She plays "Dynasty Warriors". More then enough for me to like her. :lol:

[batfinx]

Not in Smallville

An archetype is basically a prototype, something upon which all future copies are based. That's why Clark, Lex, Lois and Lana are not archetypes, they are already based on established archetypes.


There is a reason why Clark, Lex and Chloe are so popular. Television, movies, comics - these are our campires as my film teacher would say. Rather than oral tradition, it's mass media that shows us the stories about *us* as people.

Popular is a relative term. It's clear that not all of these characters are universally popular even in their own fandom ;)


EDLois as pointed out time and time again *has no natural place in the narrative* - everything she does could easilly and more naturally be done by Lana, by Chloe, or by Clark himself

I'm intrigued by the idea of Lois being in the political arena as a chief of staff and it seemed a logical evolution from campaign manager. It creates a believable situation where she can meet big shots and make contacts and people who will be future sources. I certainly see it as a more viable scenario than having sources at a high school paper.


She's not calling Clark to action. She's not seting things in his way. She's not helping him grow. She's not holding him back. She's not doing anything - and by all the nepotism that she gets, she's not growing EITHER

Why should Lois call Clark to action? She thinks he's a farm boy and even thinks she could take him in a fight. She'd take action and probably want Clark to stay out of her way. As for helping him grow, the best advice Clark ever got from any character on Smallville was Lois telling Clark "get over yourself" :lol:

Lois isn't Clark's sidekick and if she had to lead him by the hand into his future, he wouldn't be the man she falls in love with anyway.


She's a copy of the Modern Age Lois in terms of background and quirky behavior. Please point out another Lois who flunked out of HS. Or dropped out. Or was kicked out of college. Or whom leeched off the Kents. Or who worked in politics. Or in the state capital. Because as a long term comic fan, I've never seen any of that happen before.

Name a version of the Superman myth where Clark's arrival kills Lana's parents and the meteorites create mutants :lol:


We're meant to laugh when she puts sunglasses on to "not get hypnoed."

I thought she was smart trying to avoid being hypnotized.


We're supposed to think it's hilarious that she'd open the door naked

I did think it was funny when she opened the door naked :D


We're supposed to think it's funny that she can out drink people or that she's an educational failure

No, Clark thought it was funny she had to go back to high school. The drinking thing was a plot device so she could be arrested for paralyzing a guy she didn't paralyze.


That's laughing *at* her because what she does is foolish, not laughing *with* her because what she did is clever

I laughed with her when Clark was trying to get all mopey and said he was an outcast and Lois told him that was a shortcut to a wedgie :lol:

I think part of Lois's function as it relates to Clark on Smallville is to get "Skippy" to lighten up. I liked it when she said he was throwing a pity party for himself. I liked it when she threatened to tell everyone about his Elmer Fudd night light and Clark said "Aye, aye, sailor." She helps Clark find and use his sense of humor. I didn't even know he had one till she came to town.


I don't find that as cruel as dismissing him and his town and his family while depending on them for home, food, and jobs. People can get away with being meaner when they aren't dependant on the people they are being nasty too

You don't give any quotes from her. What specifically did she say?


It IS nepotism. She didn't want the jobs, she didn't ask for the jobs, she was given the jobs because Martha and Jonathan liked her. Had they not liked her? She wouldn't of been hired. It's that simple

The fact that Lois didn't ask for the jobs dilutes the premise of nepotism because when Lois poitned out the flaws in the other campaign manager's strategy, she wasn't plotting to take his job away from him. She knew he was trying to give Jonathan a makeover that didn't fit. That impressed Jonathan and he gave Lois the job. If it was purely a matter of nepotism, he'd have given Lois the job right from the get-go. He didn't.


by taking a money from a man Jonathan hatedby taking a money from a man Jonathan hated; by invalidating his stance as the non-Luthor canidate by being backed by Luthor money; and the confrontation because of her taking that money meant that he would have to pay for it (said so himself in Lockdown) instead of the people who actually CHOSE to invalidate his stance (Martha and Lois.) I'm sorry, that's not a good job no matter how loudly they say it on the show

Martha took the money and Lois took the blame until Martha confessed and even then Lois took her part of the blame because she used the money. I'm sorry, but I don't believe Martha invalidated Jonathan's stance at all. When Jonathan found out Martha accepted Lionel's contribution, he said that Lionel would be expecting favors in return.

Martha said: "You really think the Farmers Association, the Rotary Club and everyone else who gave you money won't be asking for favors? I know nothing is black or white especially in politics, but if you win this election you'll be able to help so many people who desperately need it. Please don't let your pride get in the way."

Later Jonathan did admit he'd let his pride get in the way and that he should have sold some of the farm property years ago that never got used. The truth is, Lionel would have gone directly to Lois and offered the money as he'd offered the Daily Planet to Chloe if tainting Jonathan with dirty campaign money was what Lionel had in mind. We know now that Lionel had something much better to control Jonathan with if that is what he intended to do. He had proof that Clark was very 'different' from other teenagers.

The contribution was to achieve the goal both Martha and Lois wanted, putting Jonathan on a level monetary playing field with Lex so Jonathan would have a fighting chance to win. Once Jonathan won, the money wasn't the issue for Lionel. He said: "Don't forget we both have a common interest. One we would protect with our lives. I have nothing but respect for a man who would deliberately hurl himself into the spotlight with such a dangerous secret that must stay hidden" and then showed Jonathan the photo.


She plays "Dynasty Warriors". More then enough for me to like her

Me too :lol: Lois is a total firecracker.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by batfinx
Why should Lois call Clark to action? She thinks he's a farm boy and even thinks she could take him in a fight. She'd take action and probably want Clark to stay out of her way. As for helping him grow, the best advice Clark ever got from any character on Smallville was Lois telling Clark "get over yourself" :lol:

Lois isn't Clark's sidekick and if she had to lead him by the hand into his future, he wouldn't be the man she falls in love with anyway.

I laughed with her when Clark was trying to get all mopey and said he was an outcast and Lois told him that was a shortcut to a wedgie :lol:

I think part of Lois's function as it relates to Clark on Smallville is to get "Skippy" to lighten up. I liked it when she said he was throwing a pity party for himself. I liked it when she threatened to tell everyone about his Elmer Fudd night light and Clark said "Aye, aye, sailor." She helps Clark find and use his sense of humor. I didn't even know he had one till she came to town.



Good points.

[Duncan]

Not really on topic, but it falls under this "topic" hehe... I think Erica Durance should stop being proud of her breast surgery, and let the show focus on the story instead of her assumably "nice body". Ok, we've seen your horrid naked body before you got those implants, don't try to make up for it. We know. You got surgery. GG you. Now gtfo and get on with smallville!

[whiteflag]

Originally posted by batfinx

The drinking thing was a plot device so she could be arrested for paralyzing a guy she didn't paralyze.

And the good things she does, if any, are plot devices too! The SV fact is that she drank and was was trown out from college.


Originally posted by batfinx

She helps Clark find and use his sense of humor. I didn't even know he had one till she came to town.

Well, I did. Clark has a very particular sense of humor that he's displayed from season 1. For instance, joking with his X-ray vision and his father's pocket knife, and many more examples.

I think Lois is teaching Clark something quite different: how to put up with a rather annoying girl, who hasn't done anything to put herself above anyone but who takes pleasure in embarrasing, insulting and badmouthing him behind his back for no reason at all.

I never find rude and uncalled for comments to be funny. And I certainly hope Clark doesn't learn to treat people like Lois does.



Originally posted by batfinx

Later Jonathan did admit he'd let his pride get in the way and that he should have sold some of the farm property years ago that never got used.

The fact is that what Martha and Lois did forced him to sell a part of the property that had been in his family for generations, to repay Lionel. And The Farmers Association can't be compared with a convicted murderer and a dangerous enemy, can it?

[shinedown]

i love lois. she's brings funniness and spice to the episodes that she's in and i love her tough-borderline arrogant attitude. its a breath of fresh air after lana's annoying and blinded passivity. at least lois wont take crap from anyone and isnt afraid to verbally spar with clark. shes a wonderful ass-et (pun intended) to the show :)

[Old Juan]

Not really on topic, but it falls under this "topic" hehe... I think Erica Durance should stop being proud of her breast surgery, and let the show focus on the story instead of her assumably "nice body". Ok, we've seen your horrid naked body before you got those implants, don't try to make up for it. We know. You got surgery. GG you. Now gtfo and get on with smallville!

It's not Erica's fault that they are continuously flaunting her body. That is a decision that is continually being made by the higher ups at the network. I guess fortunately for her she doesn't seem to particularly have issues with it herself but you shouldn't make the assumtion that she's one making those decisions.

[cloisfan4life]

damn you guys are still trying to argue about Lois.

Lois and Chloe are the only reasons why i'm watching Smallville.

[Aoi]

Originally posted by Duncan
Not really on topic, but it falls under this "topic" hehe... I think Erica Durance should stop being proud of her breast surgery, and let the show focus on the story instead of her assumably "nice body". Ok, we've seen your horrid naked body before you got those implants, don't try to make up for it. We know. You got surgery. GG you. Now gtfo and get on with smallville!

Now, I do not know if Erica really had breast enhancements or not. I personally do not believe it to be so, I think they are God-given. This has been said a multiple times before. I do not understand why a lot of people here are so focused on her assets. She's just playing her character "Lois Lane" in the show. Just like all the other actors. She's just doing her job as written by the show's writers, as approved by the show's producers and as directed by the director. And what is it with cosmetic surgery? People make their own choices on their own lives and no one has the right to claim one is morally upright because one did not have any surgery. 'Coz that's purely hypocritical. It's their choice, leave them be. . . Why not flaunt it if you have it? God-given or man-made. . .

And the whole purpose of the scene was not really to steer the audience's focus on her naked body. Goodness, no! It was to show us Lois and Clark's relationship. They are now even and it was really a funny scene, putting them in awkward situations is always funny. It was supposed to be light-hearted. Some people just would not want to acknowledge that and would purposely lead the attention to some safer subjects such as bashing the actress, Erica Durance and belittling her capabilities.


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Well, I did. Clark has a very particular sense of humor that he's displayed from season 1. For instance, joking with his X-ray vision and his father's pocket knife, and many more examples.

I think Lois is teaching Clark something quite different: how to put up with a rather annoying girl, who hasn't done anything to put herself above anyone but who takes pleasure in embarrasing, insulting and badmouthing him behind his back for no reason at all.

I never find rude and uncalled for comments to be funny. And I certainly hope Clark doesn't learn to treat people like Lois does.



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The fact is that what Martha and Lois did forced him to sell a part of the property that had been in his family for generations, to repay Lionel. And The Farmers Association can't be compared with a convicted murderer and a dangerous enemy, can it?
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I think CLark has his sense of humor, true but Lois enhances it more. In her company, he no longer needs to be the "hero" or the "good guy" all the time. He definitely can dish some of the meanest things to Lois and well since, Lois is resilient, she can take a few punches. Plus, they joke a lot. The whole secret friends thing where they help each other when it really counts but tease each other when people are around or when they feel like it. That sort of freedom, he gets only with Lois. No hurting the unrequited romantic feelings of Chloe, no slipping of the tongue with Lex and no walking in egg shells around Lana. He can be just any other guy with Lois....

Also, I do not think Jonathan can be pushed around by anyone. If he really believes in something, he fights for his principles, does he not? He has a good head in his shoulder. If he didn't like to sell that land, he wouldn't have. Not with Martha and Lois' teaming up to convince him.. .. It was his decision in the end. His and Martha's decision as a couple. . .No regrets.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Aoi
Now, I do not know if Erica really had breast enhancements or not. I personally do not believe it to be so, I think they are God-given.
Gotta agree w/ you there. They look real to me. Women's bodies can change when we're well into our 20's. (Men, too. Look at the growth spurts some men have in their 20s.) It can be pretty dramatic in some cases -- so what she looked like in earlier films may not be proof of enhancements.

Originally posted by Aoi
I think CLark has his sense of humor, true but Lois enhances it more. In her company, he no longer needs to be the "hero" or the "good guy" all the time. He definitely can dish some of the meanest things to Lois and well since, Lois is resilient, she can take a few punches. Plus, they joke a lot. The whole secret friends thing where they help each other when it really counts but tease each other when people are around or when they feel like it. That sort of freedom, he gets only with Lois. No hurting the unrequited romantic feelings of Chloe, no slipping of the tongue with Lex and no walking in egg shells around Lana. He can be just any other guy with Lois....
Well said. This is exactly why I love their interactions.

[Alicia Baker]

Originally posted by Kreukie
People who ship are mostly females, they just want to see the girl they can relate to the most with get down and dirty with the guy they would like to get down and dirty with.

With most females who like Clark, don't like him because he's a great character, but because he's easy on the eyes. ;)

If Tom was ugly, do you honestly think so many females would care for him? :lol:

Wat?? I'm a girl and a cloiser but at this point I don't want Lois to fall for Clark. Not yet. He's a mess. He needs to grow up and my girl needs journalism.


And I also agree that Lois had every right to lash out at Clark. He didnt give any back up to his statement about Graham, and shes just supposed to say "ok"? If he really wanted her to believe him, then she shouldve told her everything he knew at that point, he didnt say much except that he was dangerous.

Agree.

[cloisfan4life]

what does breasts have to do with smallville?

Granted Erica did say she doesn't mind showing her body that's just how she is. She's comfortable with sexuality damn a lot celebrities are. But saying that she flaunts it too much in smallville that wasn't her call it was the director, writers, and producers area. She as an actress just had to do what she had to do. I don't think it was horrible it was FUNNY AS HELL! The whole scene was just make a situation awkward for Lois and Clark and being a fan it was interesting because Clois IS interesting.

Like so many have argued Lois has this uncanny ability to make Clark be just a relaxed and be himself without feelings being hurt or hiding secrets. With Lois he can say things that he wouldn't normally say, but its all in good nature. That's just how their relationship is they like to bash on each other. I think there are feelings there, but in season 4 they agreed that they are "secret friends" and when they do have their alone moments they are quite nice to each other. For example in "Aqua" episode where she apologized and thanked Clark for being there or in "exposed" where she again thanked him for going after her and trying to save her. Granted its things like Clark rescuing her or proving her that makes her think about her actions and realize things, but its a start. I'm not saying Clois well happen romantically..no its too soon. Clark and Lois both need to grow and become the people they are suppose to be.

What I like to see happen is Clois at least getting along around people. Also that both of them realize that their friendship does mean a lot and actually show mutual and friendly interaction. I still like to banter as well, but at least they both know its because they care. However, in last 3 episodes there were foreshadowing with the whole Martha speech to both clark and lois about "the one" and seeing what's in front of you and push the bad guys aside and see the good ones not the psycho ones.For clark knowing deep down that lana isn't the one and chloe telling him to move on. That doesn't mean a big thing will happen, but it gets Lois and Clark thinking. I see a likeness to one another but not for another season or 2. The writers are probably gonna use a crush from a far type of thing and either lois or clark is oblivious to the fact.

[myankskent]

I'm going to stay away from the breast topic to an extent and just say that my biggest problem with Lois is that they had to bring this supermodel type of girl into smallville to play her. To me, it sort of hints at the fact that the reason why Clark gets with her in the future is because of her body. I just hope they don't do anything with Lois and Clark on Smallville. There are Superman movies and a whole Lois and Clark tv show dedicated to that, there is not reason why Smallville has to go into it as well.

[Watching Smallville]

Clark has many a hotsy totsy female after him. If he chooses Lois, it's not because of her looks -- it's because of their chemistry. KK is a beautiful girl. And Clark just broke up w/ Lana. And if he wanted cleavage, SV has Chloe. (sorry AM, just trying to make a point. :\ )

I think Lois's contribution to SV is always underestimated. She brings out an entirely new side of Clark.

[Sweetie]

Originally posted by myankskent
I'm going to stay away from the breast topic to an extent and just say that my biggest problem with Lois is that they had to bring this supermodel type of girl into smallville to play her. To me, it sort of hints at the fact that the reason why Clark gets with her in the future is because of her body. I just hope they don't do anything with Lois and Clark on Smallville. There are Superman movies and a whole Lois and Clark tv show dedicated to that, there is not reason why Smallville has to go into it as well.


Do you think Clark is attracted to Lana because of her mind.I don't think so:p


I agree about Clois...It would be very ackward if they become a couple in Smallville.But,on this show everything is possible.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Sweetie
Do you think Clark is attracted to Lana because of her mind.I don't think so:p


I agree about Clois...It would be very ackward if they become a couple in Smallville.But,on this show everything is possible.

Yeah, you're right. I am just basing it on the fact that Erica Durance has really become the sex symbol of the show, Kreuk and Mack aren't. But if it were to happen, I'm sure the writers would make it a chemistry thing or something.

[Miss L]

Originally posted by myankskent
I'm going to stay away from the breast topic to an extent and just say that my biggest problem with Lois is that they had to bring this supermodel type of girl into smallville to play her. To me, it sort of hints at the fact that the reason why Clark gets with her in the future is because of her body. I just hope they don't do anything with Lois and Clark on Smallville. There are Superman movies and a whole Lois and Clark tv show dedicated to that, there is not reason why Smallville has to go into it as well.

Why would that hint that he goes after her in the future because of her body? I don't agree with that at all. I think they are showing a decently realistic foundation for their future relationship that isn't based on looks. They get under each other's skin, and eventually that will evolve into a genuine emotional attachment.

I do agree that the Clois shouldn't happen on this series. I think the foundation-building is a good thing, but to go beyond that isn't right for this time in Clark/Superman's life.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Miss L
Why would that hint that he goes after her in the future because of her body? I don't agree with that at all. I think they are showing a decently realistic foundation for their future relationship that isn't based on looks. They get under each other's skin, and eventually that will evolve into a genuine emotional attachment.

I do agree that the Clois shouldn't happen on this series. I think the foundation-building is a good thing, but to go beyond that isn't right for this time in Clark/Superman's life.

I know it's not going to be done that way, it's just funny how Clark will ultimately choose the sex symbol of the show. It's just weird. And it's not that big of a deal. Hopefully it won't happen on this show though.

[Miss L]

Originally posted by myankskent
I know it's not going to be done that way, it's just funny how Clark will ultimately choose the sex symbol of the show. It's just weird. And it's not that big of a deal. Hopefully it won't happen on this show though.

Actually, I think that just happens to be the nature of television. They're all beautiful people--not toooooo realistic.:p

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Miss L
Actually, I think that just happens to be the nature of television. They're all beautiful people--not toooooo realistic.:p

Oh no doubt.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by shinedown
i love lois. she's brings funniness and spice to the episodes that she's in and i love her tough-borderline arrogant attitude. its a breath of fresh air after lana's annoying and blinded passivity. at least lois wont take crap from anyone and isnt afraid to verbally spar with clark. shes a wonderful ass-et (pun intended) to the show :)

:lol: couldn't have said it better!! :D



originally posted by cloisfan4life
damn you guys are still trying to argue about Lois.

Why does everybody argue about and get all bugged at Lois?? :confused: I like her character and what she brings to the show. I also think that Clark acts more Supermanish around her and I like Super-Clark. :)

[Sweetie]

In many versions of movies or series that's how Lois really is all about herself.It's her own character.

Lois brings a humor's touch and spices up the show.It's very refreshing when miss drama queen is there.

[cmm]

I like lois but not in smallville at this time. I've never gotten over how they just dumped her in smallville when she's suposed to be introduced to the superman story in metropolis.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by Kreukie
People complain that Lana all about herself, but when Clark tries to tell Lois that she's in trouble she totally rags on him, ignores him and accuses of him being jealous of the guy she's dating, then to top it off she goes and bad mouths him to Chloe.


I don't think it is that wrong for both Lois and Lana to be all about themself at this stage of life. They are young and trying to find themselves. However, being in a relationship, they need to deal with their significant other. Since Lois hasn't been in a relationship it's hard to tell if she would revolve around herself or them as a couple. But Lana we have seen, and she appear to be more about herself then her man. A perfect example is when she ran off to Lex during Reckoning after her fiance offered her everything. If she thought about Clark and his desires and feelings, she wouldn't have gone.

[Superboogie]

Lois lives above the Talon, not at the Kent farm. (Hence the whole shower scene above the Talon). But she does drop in at the Kent's whenever she feels like it apparently.
"Lois, we want you to know that you are welcome back here any time." -Jonathan Kent

[jon-el87]

People complain that Lana all about herself, but when Clark tries to tell Lois that she's in trouble she totally rags on him, ignores him and accuses of him being jealous of the guy she's dating, then to top it off she goes and bad mouths him to Chloe.

That like five seasons worth of things people complain about Lana in one episode.

Lois is a grown woman, she's over 18 and this guy keeps bugging into her relationships (remember he digged into AC's past, in Aqua), crossing the line. Why shouldn't she be pissed off? Fact is, he's got no right to interfere like that. He's acted on numerous occations, like Lois is a little girl, that he needs to protect. The fact that she's an adult, who can fend for herself, doesn't seem to have crossed his mind.

[Degobunny]

umm...Lois coming off as all about herselfs how Lois is suppose to be. Lois was created during the 40's when a women pretty much had to put herself first if she was going to have a career in a workforce dominated by men. To be honest Lois comes off all about herself but it is generally with the best of intentions, like trying to get the story of the year but at the same time trying to stop injustuces through her work. With Lana, Lana's self involvment has generally been all about what is best for Lana. The one time Lana tried to do something for someone else by creating the Isis foundation to help the meteor infected, she let Chloe do all the work in terms of helping the meteor infected. Lana, rather then actually help people used Isis as a way to get back on Lex, I doubt she had any realy intention of trying to help people.

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

Lois is a grown woman, she's over 18 and this guy keeps bugging into her relationships (remember he digged into AC's past, in Aqua), crossing the line. Why shouldn't she be pissed off? Fact is, he's got no right to interfere like that. He's acted on numerous occations, like Lois is a little girl, that he needs to protect. The fact that she's an adult, who can fend for herself, doesn't seem to have crossed his mind.

Well frankly AC was kinda like a terrorist in Aqua. That makes him Clark's business. Sure AC turned out alright but Clark still did the wise thing to warn Lois even if Clark never does have enough evidence to back up his claims.

Worst case scenario it would have been Lois who followed AC into the LuthorCorp place and got blown up by that bomb.

[jon-el87]

Well frankly AC was kinda like a terrorist in Aqua. That makes him Clark's business. Sure AC turned out alright but Clark still did the wise thing to warn Lois even if Clark never does have enough evidence to back up his claims.

Worst case scenario it would have been Lois who followed AC into the LuthorCorp place and got blown up by that bomb.

Clark did a check-up, before AC attempted to blow up that device. All Clark knew at that time, was that AC could swim faster than him and assumed he was a bad guy, even speculating that there might be more, that AC's never just been arrested for. He had no justifiable cause to dig into the past of the guy, before the scene in the lab.

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

Well shouldn't the ability itself be sufficient to be careful? AC could have been a meteor freak (not a very good sanity percentage in that bunch) or worse.

[Superboogie]

In both cases (Aqua and Fade) Clark was just jealous first. Remember how he acted at the party when Graham introduced Lois as his date? He didn't know Graham was a hitman at that time, only that he worked as a headhunter and was rich. Then Lois caught Clark sneaking in her apartment while she was showering. If Clark had been man enough to actually say that Graham was a professional hitman instead of mumbling something about her date, Lois would have changed her attitude like she did when Chloe told about Graham. So Lois had a good reason to be upset.