Lana to Lex: You saved my life...

[bluegayle]

...and I already forgot about the guy I lost my virginity to, not to mention somehow he saved me from a tornado, a few rabid meteor freaks, a few amorous females. Oh yea, I told him once he was the love of my life, but that was because he was on his deathbed.

Now he's less than a friend.

Now that we know Clana is official, rather than just a stolen kiss, I find it hard to believe how the writers give Lana such easy way to other guys, whereas Clark remains fixated on Lana for 5 freaking years...

[TrevorH]

It's not like Clark ever told Lana his secret (That she actually got to remember)

[shinedown]

blugayle you are so right. i was furious when lana said that. clark always saves her and she's thinks for some strange reason that lex luthor did it this time, how delusional!

[redraven]

That line really got on my nerves.

[creampie]

That scene was a little heartbreaking.. But at the same time, it makes me love Clark even more. He didn't ever want anything in return from Lana the million times he saved her from certain death. Sigh..

[angelfire east]

Yeah suddenly someone saving her life is thesi huge thing conparced to other seasons. Clark saved Lana from Tina (season 2) that Lana knows he did; plus many other times.

Guess Clark has to jump in front of a bullut for her (and her see) for it to count int he same way.

Stupid wirtters giving stupid reason to push Lana towards Lex that just don't work when you think about them. (like this)

[aqua]

I guess Lana forgot about how Lex went physco in the season finale to look for the stone, going through her stuff and putting Chloe's life in danger.

Lana is becoming the most wasteful character ever.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Stupid wirtters giving stupid reason to push Lana towards Lex that just don't work when you think about them. (like this)

Exactly, it's an increbily contrived storyline and that's why so many things really don't make sense about it.

[lanakk1]

I threw up after I heard that

[Clark Kent 86]

I so tired of Lana, they should have kept her dead!

[smoky]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Exactly, it's an increbily contrived storyline and that's why so many things really don't make sense about it. I don't think its contrived. Lana has known Lex for years. They have been getting closer & closer & now they are a couple.

[sari_chem]

It's not like Lana said "you saved my life, and Clark didn't"

As far as she knew, she and Lex were the only ones in the room. He covered her from a potential bullet. So at that moment, he saved her life. So there's nothing wrong with what she said.

[afro_maestro]

true as that is, we KNO Clark did it. So the dramatic irony is lost on me when i'm busy wondering why the hell she would credit Lex for it? They just want some way for her and Lex to get closer.

[GhostRaider]

Originally posted by smoky
Lana has known Lex for years.

That right there is why this storyline is so contrived. She knows exactly what he is capable of and she for some reason continues to ignore it.

[sari_chem]

She credits Lex for it because that's what she saw. Lana doesn't have the luxury of the audience to see everything that's going on. As far as she saw, Lex stepped into a bullet for her again (she thought he did the same thing in Lockdown. Of course, Lex's "taking a bullet for her" in Lockdown is debatable. But in this ep, he did cover her).

There is no reason why she might suspect Clark saved them both. It's not like he ever told her that he is "faster than a speeding bullet."

And yes, that was the writer's way of making it a bit more believable that Lana would fall for Lex.

[OutlawAngel]

When Lana said that Line I litteraly yanked my hair and slambed my head into the coffee table. The way she said that line drove me insane. And how in the world did she think that Lex saved her?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by sari_chem
She credits Lex for it because that's what she saw. Lana doesn't have the luxury of the audience to see everything that's going on. As far as she saw, Lex stepped into a bullet for her again (she thought he did the same thing in Lockdown. Of course, Lex's "taking a bullet for her" in Lockdown is debatable. But in this ep, he did cover her).

There is no reason why she might suspect Clark saved them both. It's not like he ever told her that he is "faster than a speeding bullet."

And yes, that was the writer's way of making it a bit more believable that Lana would fall for Lex.

But then again, these little moments are getting ridiculous. How many times has Clark saved Lana without her even being aware of it? This was a a stupid, convenient scene to keep the lexana rolling along. It's contrived and it's quite frankly a waste of time.

[alienkinfolk]

She should of said "you saved my life Lex just the way Clark does all the time"

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by sari_chem
It's not like Lana said "you saved my life, and Clark didn't"

As far as she knew, she and Lex were the only ones in the room. He covered her from a potential bullet. So at that moment, he saved her life. So there's nothing wrong with what she said.

Exactly.

Lana doesn't know Clark saved them, from her perspective Lex did, so for Lana to comment on anything other than that is just crazy. Plus, Lex didn't just save her as in beating the hell outta of the other guy, he sheilded her from bullets, he was willing to die for her and probably would have if wasn't for Clark sneaking in and out to save the day like he did.

[svsabbiesv]

i was so irritated bc this is going to be lana's new saying..not secrets lies n more secrets but lex saved me!!!! aye man she is nieve.

[Wildfire]

I reall really think Lana needs to go in for a cat scan. She has to have brian damge or something. . .

Ok Lana dear the guy was shooting at both of you Lex got behind you so it would hit him not you the gun fires a bullet goes out and Lex is not hurt. Do the math.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by sari_chem
She credits Lex for it because that's what she saw. Lana doesn't have the luxury of the audience to see everything that's going on. As far as she saw, Lex stepped into a bullet for her again (she thought he did the same thing in Lockdown. Of course, Lex's "taking a bullet for her" in Lockdown is debatable. But in this ep, he did cover her).

There is no reason why she might suspect Clark saved them both. It's not like he ever told her that he is "faster than a speeding bullet."

And yes, that was the writer's way of making it a bit more believable that Lana would fall for Lex.

Yes but other times Lana knows CLark has saved her like with Tina in Vistor, the fire in Hereafter, the guy from Forever.

Also Lana has seen Clark save others like/being heroic (running into dangerous saturation to save her and/or others) in Extinction, Perry, Crisis, Forsaken, Ageless, Arrival, Mortal, Hidden, Thrist and Void. Lana has seen these things with her own eyes.

[superman_115]

Trust me, the writing is supar towards the end of the season.

I am so sick of Lana and her selfish a$$.

[Offworlder 1]

This is why Lana deserves Lex and what ever happens there. Clark saved her more times then not , is a much better person then Lex yet just because he kept some things hidden she can't "trust" him. Lex she knows has done some really bad things and she acts like hes "not such a bad guy". She also knows about his colorful past with other women but then again she does go from guy to guy so they go together nicely.


Clark is now free of Lana , wether he likes it or not :)

[janedoe]

^ I agree with everything that you said, but I don't think Lana goes from guy to guy, she has only had 4 real boyfriends, Whitney, Clark, Lex, Jason, If you want to count that guy from the rehab clinic and the guy from magnetic that's 6. Really they don't count though cuz she never went out with the rehab dude, and she was forced to be with magneto. 4 boyfriends in 5 years isn't bad, esp. since they were serious not just flings. I'm not proud of the way Lana's been acting either though.

[Kreukie]

I don't get what you people are complaining about, she thought Lex saved her so she made a comment to him about it.

No different than when Clark has saved her and she would make a comment on it as well.

[smallvillerocks45]

Originally posted by redraven
That line really got on my nerves.
Mine too! I wanted to throw an orange peel at her! I mean, I know that she couldn't have possible known it was Clark who saved her, but what bothers me is how she turns to puddy right there in Lex's arms. Any time Clark saved her - and she knew about it - instead of a thank you, it was "how did you do it?", "I don't get it", "just tell me how you saved me from this and that"... what's the deal. Maybe it's just me, but I think her behavior towards this topic of one saving another (particularly her) is pretty lame.

[sari_chem]

Clark saving her all of the other times is besides the point. How would that fit in Lex and Lana's situation at all? A hit man tries to kill them both, Lex tells Lana to get behind him so he can shoot, then they both run out of the room. They both know that Graham is going to shoot, and Lex purposely covers Lana to protect her from a BULLET. So now, what do you expect Lana to do? Should she sit Lex down on the floor, both their legs crossed like first graders, and have Lana list all of the times Clark has saved her? I mean come on.

There's nothing wrong with telling the person who saved you at that moment that he saved you. It doesn't negate anything that Clark has ever done for her. She didn't say "you're the only one who has ever saved me."

Lana has thanked Clark for saving her, too. She even tells him that she was glad she helped him in Precipice because "it's not everyday that Lana Lang can save Clark Kent."

Plus, why would she bring up her EX-boyfriend to her current boyfriend? Should she have said "Thanks for covering me Lexy, but Clark has saved me more than that." No, of course not.

[fifi1277]

She said that just because she’s officially with him now, that’s all.
Since when does Lana Lang ever feel grateful to ANYBODY? Clark, Nell, Chloe......she always acts like the whole world owns her.

[Kris-El]

i agree with sari_chem. Clark saving her in the past has nothing to do with what had just happened! She thought that Lex helped her dodge a bullet by blocking her....whats so wrong with her comment?

it has nothing to do with her being ungrateful to Clark, she was being GRATEFUL to Lex, i dont see why its being twisted to something negative

If Lex did the same thing for Chloe and she said "you saved my life!" would we all get on her case for being ungrateful to Clark when she KNOWS his secret? i dont think so

[wb-superman]

I think it would be better if Clark didnt' get the speeding bullet and Lex get what he deserved for Clark hating Lex.

[Coyote]

It's ridiculous to be critical of Lana for not giving Clark credit when she didn't even know Clark was there. She did know that Lex was there, and Lex did act in a brave and unselfish way trying to protect her. So it was common sense for her to think Lex saved her, and he probably would have saved her if Clark hadn't stepped in. All in all, Lex probably acted more heroic than Clark, since it's easy to be a hero when you're invulnerable. Lex risked his life, Clark risked nothing.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by Coyote
It's ridiculous to be critical of Lana for not giving Clark credit when she didn't even know Clark was there. She did know that Lex was there, and Lex did act in a brave and unselfish way trying to protect her. So it was common sense for her to think Lex saved her, and he probably would have saved her if Clark hadn't stepped in. All in all, Lex probably acted more heroic than Clark, since it's easy to be a hero when you're invulnerable. Lex risked his life, Clark risked nothing.

To me, it wasn't that she didn't give Clark credit. It was her reaction. After all this wans't the firts time Lex "took" a bullet for her. And, indeed, it wans't the first time her life was saved by one of her many boyfriends. Yet, she acts like it's a big deal. WTF?!

[Nightvision]

Originally posted by Coyote
It's ridiculous to be critical of Lana for not giving Clark credit when she didn't even know Clark was there. She did know that Lex was there, and Lex did act in a brave and unselfish way trying to protect her. So it was common sense for her to think Lex saved her, and he probably would have saved her if Clark hadn't stepped in. All in all, Lex probably acted more heroic than Clark, since it's easy to be a hero when you're invulnerable. Lex risked his life, Clark risked nothing.

Word.

[BadToad]

I think her whole reaction was melodramatic and silly. This is a girl that has had her life saved dramatically so many times, her whole "my hero" schtick was over-the-top, and part and parcel of how overdone this Lexana stuff is.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by BadToad
I think her whole reaction was melodramatic and silly. This is a girl that has had her life saved dramatically so many times, her whole "my hero" schtick was over-the-top, and part and parcel of how overdone this Lexana stuff is.

Yep.

[bluegayle]

Originally posted by BadToad
I think her whole reaction was melodramatic and silly. This is a girl that has had her life saved dramatically so many times, her whole "my hero" schtick was over-the-top, and part and parcel of how overdone this Lexana stuff is.

Right, this is my basis for my original post, if it had not come across that way.

Not that she thanks Lex because he was there and saved her...but that she thanks Lex as if this kind of stuff doesn't happen to her often and once in a while someone does it and she thinks it's a big deal. A few months ago, she professed her eternal love for Clark, telling him she has always loved him (even when she was with Whitney? Well that's what always loved means)

Now she acts towards Lex the same emotions she acts to anyone who just gives her the time of day.

[RedKalEL]

i can't stand lana and i like her and lex together mostly cuz it finally gets rid of clana. but really she made it seem like noone ever saved her life before

[Xsmallville_obsessedX]

Originally posted by Coyote
It's ridiculous to be critical of Lana for not giving Clark credit when she didn't even know Clark was there. She did know that Lex was there, and Lex did act in a brave and unselfish way trying to protect her. So it was common sense for her to think Lex saved her, and he probably would have saved her if Clark hadn't stepped in. All in all, Lex probably acted more heroic than Clark, since it's easy to be a hero when you're invulnerable. Lex risked his life, Clark risked nothing.

My thoughts exactly. Whats with all this Lana hating because she said Lex saved her? She doesn't know about Clark saving her all the time because he's too much of a BDA to tell her the truth. So don't blame Lana, blame Clark for not telling her. :D

[superspider02]

yea i thought that was stupid what she said.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Xsmallville_obsessedX
My thoughts exactly. Whats with all this Lana hating because she said Lex saved her? She doesn't know about Clark saving her all the time because he's too much of a BDA to tell her the truth. So don't blame Lana, blame Clark for not telling her. :D

Thank you. We have to remember that Lana doesn't know what the audience knows, she doesn't know what Chloe knows and she most of all doesn't know about Clark. It's easy to sit there and bash her for not knowing but unless someone gets off their high horse and fills her in, she is not going to know any better.

[ms.c.]

Lana is an orphan. She's looking for someone to take care of her. She thinks Lex will be that guy. She was right to be grateful to him. Even if he didn't save her, he was willing to sacrifice himself to protect her and that should count for something.

[tjpw fanatic]

I was about to slap her so hard! If only she knew how many times Clark was there for her! That girl would be dead meat if it weren't for him!

[cmm]

you know the thing is I'm convinced the character of lana doesn't have a brain. Everyone says she's never seen him save her... so when she opens her eyes and she's in his arms and nobody else is around, she doesn't stop to think "Oh hey clark may have done something to assist in my rescue". I remember in i believe a season 2 or 3 episode where chloe was burried underground and she made a comment when clark saved her thank god clark "you saved me it's always you..." or something to that effect. That was before she even knew he had superpowers; how is it that chloe can figure out that much and lana can't? It's this reason why i have a serious issue with this character Clark is always there always around always the one she wakes up to when he does save her and not once does she question. But lex can save her once and it's OH thank you lex you saved me.

TPTB need to start writing the charcter more consistently.

[boywithbluehanger]

funny cuz its like the writers know that we as humans lol would never believe that we live in a town with superpowered freaks and thru the midst of all the chaos, a regular human "clark" could defeat all of those baddies without some power of his own.

its almost like she like everyone else on the show knows that clark's secret is something that makes him similar to the freaks he takes on weekly. so when she said "lex you saved my life" she actually was in shock b/c lex is just a regular guy (as far as we know)

and it means more to be an honest hero...even if honesty is only an illusion from the guy you're with

[Keyser Soze]

She had no reason to believe Clark was there adn she is hardly going to say Cheers mate and pat Lex on the back.
I admit it is not Shakespear but a quick way of adding strength to the Lexana relationship.

Lana = serious
Chloe = cute
Lois = fun

[last man of krypton]

Let me get this straight:
Clark saves Lana, she immediately assumes he's superhuman and therefore keeping secrets.
Lex saves Lana, she assumes him to be human and not keeping secrets.

Lana. Oy vey.

[BadToad]

And why do people act like Lana is never aware of Clark saving her? She only knows about half, but she still knows plenty. Just this season, she knows of him saving her in Void, Thirst and Mortal. Last year, she know of Forever, Spell, and she knew he saved Jason in Devoted. In S3, she knew about Crisis, Obsession, Hereafter, Magnetic, Slumber.

So really, bearing that in mind, her "my hero" crap to Lex coupled in an episode with "I don't owe Clark anything" just chaps my butt, and makes me think Lana is an ungrateful twit.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by BadToad
And why do people act like Lana is never aware of Clark saving her? She only knows about half, but she still knows plenty. Just this season, she knows of him saving her in Void, Thirst and Mortal. Last year, she know of Forever, Spell, and she knew he saved Jason in Devoted. In S3, she knew about Crisis, Obsession, Hereafter, Magnetic, Slumber.

So really, bearing that in mind, her "my hero" crap to Lex coupled in an episode with "I don't owe Clark anything" just chaps my butt, and makes me think Lana is an ungrateful twit.

It all goes back to Clark, Badtoad. Come on, what do you expect Lana to do, tell Clark "It's ok that you lied to me about the way you feel, you saved me all of those times." Give me a break.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
Let me get this straight:
Clark saves Lana, she immediately assumes he's superhuman and therefore keeping secrets.
Lex saves Lana, she assumes him to be human and not keeping secrets.

Lana. Oy vey.

Well said. This is exactly the problem I have. I don't expect her to thank or talk about Clark or suspect that Clark did anything. What I expected was consistency with her asking the hero 20 questions and giving them the 3rd degree instead of thanking them (like she did with Clark).

My question is, why doesn't she expect Lex to be hiding secrets when the bullet that was fired from the gun is nowhere to be found? Isn't that mysterious like some of those circumstances that Clark saved her? Why isn't she asking Lex how he stopped the bullet without getting hurt, or where is the bullet?

My suggestion is for Clark to teach her a lesson and stay away from her for a while so that she can truly experience the Mrs. Lana Luthor future she potentially has now. Let her get kidnapped, poisoned, shot, beaten, whatever an FOTW or being the girlfriend of Lex have to offer. Otherwise, by continuing to save her, he will allow Lex to get a status that is even more upstanding from Lana and she will never see him for what he truly is.

Now is the time that they should use a nice allusion from Superman III and have Clark say to her "Don't expect me to save you, since I don't do that anymore" (my favorite line from the Reeve movies).

[seraphim]

Originally posted by IVODARK
To me, it wasn't that she didn't give Clark credit. It was her reaction. After all this wans't the firts time Lex "took" a bullet for her. And, indeed, it wans't the first time her life was saved by one of her many boyfriends. Yet, she acts like it's a big deal. WTF?!

My thoughts exactly!!!!

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
It all goes back to Clark, Badtoad. Come on, what do you expect Lana to do, tell Clark "It's ok that you lied to me about the way you feel, you saved me all of those times." Give me a break.

The problem is that Lana has never learned that trust is best based on one's actions, not words. Clark may have kept secrets from her, but he has always been there for her (both protection and as a friend for advice, consoling, hanging out). She has firsthand experienced Lex's underhandedness, but I'm sure you're aware of this myankskent, since both of us know that this romantic Lexana is forced and out of place this season. I can't blame Lana as much anymore since the people controlling the pencils/MS Word that type up her lines & behavior are the ones who are at fault for trying to sell Lexana. In a logical world, Lana would not have jumped from someone she claimed to love but who broke up with her to Lex in such a short time (as discussed before, I don't even think she would be with Lex period after Commencement, Arrival & Mortal in a logical world). She would be taking a long time away from any dating and get her life together.

I'm wondering what would she say if Lois started grilling her for being with him. She is a muffin-peddling college drop-out, but even she (being in the show for only 2 seasons) knows that Lex is bad news. But too bad, since this would go against Lexana, so TPTB will never have such a scene at this point in Lexana where she will talk to another girl (no jealousy factor) about being with Lex. I want Lois or Martha to slap her to wake her up. And Martha was once an eternal optimist with Lex, but she found out what he's all about.

[netlynn]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The problem is that Lana has never learned that trust is best based on one's actions, not words. Clark may have kept secrets from her, but he has always been there for her (both protection and as a friend for advice, consoling, hanging out). She has firsthand experienced Lex's underhandedness, but I'm sure you're aware of this myankskent, since both of us know that this romantic Lexana is forced and out of place this season. I can't blame Lana as much anymore since the people controlling the pencils/MS Word that type up her lines & behavior are the ones who are at fault for trying to sell Lexana. In a logical world, Lana would not have jumped from someone she claimed to love but who broke up with her to Lex in such a short time (as discussed before, I don't even think she would be with Lex period after Commencement, Arrival & Mortal in a logical world). She would be taking a long time away from any dating and get her life together.


I agree a lot! A lot of this angst would be solved if she would just find out Clark's secret once and for all!

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The problem is that Lana has never learned that trust is best based on one's actions, not words. Clark may have kept secrets from her, but he has always been there for her (both protection and as a friend for advice, consoling, hanging out). She has firsthand experienced Lex's underhandedness, but I'm sure you're aware of this myankskent, since both of us know that this romantic Lexana is forced and out of place this season. I can't blame Lana as much anymore since the people controlling the pencils/MS Word that type up her lines & behavior are the ones who are at fault for trying to sell Lexana. In a logical world, Lana would not have jumped from someone she claimed to love but who broke up with her to Lex in such a short time (as discussed before, I don't even think she would be with Lex period after Commencement, Arrival & Mortal in a logical world). She would be taking a long time away from any dating and get her life together.

I'm wondering what would she say if Lois started grilling her for being with him. She is a muffin-peddling college drop-out, but even she (being in the show for only 2 seasons) knows that Lex is bad news. But too bad, since this would go against Lexana, so TPTB will never have such a scene at this point in Lexana where she will talk to another girl (no jealousy factor) about being with Lex. I want Lois or Martha to slap her to wake her up. And Martha was once an eternal optimist with Lex, but she found out what he's all about.

Xrayvision...what can I say. I have tremendous respect for you. You see things as I see them. I wish more people were like you on this board.

[dusk soldier]

Originally posted by afro_maestro
true as that is, we KNO Clark did it. So the dramatic irony is lost on me when i'm busy wondering why the hell she would credit Lex for it? They just want some way for her and Lex to get closer. Um no. Clark saved LEX's life. Since Lex was protecting Lana from the bullet, if Clark had not been there, that would have just meant that lex would've been shot.

There was no Irony to her statement. Lex saved her life. Was she not supposed to be grateful?:confused: Or maybe she was supposed to say: "I know you think you saved me, but it was actually Clark":rolleyes:

[ko8e]

LEX IS A CONIVING SNAKE WHO SHOULD BE KILLED

[BadToad]

It all goes back to Clark, Badtoad. Come on, what do you expect Lana to do, tell Clark "It's ok that you lied to me about the way you feel, you saved me all of those times." Give me a break.

Yes, I totally expect that. Or, I expect her to say that I'm hurt we broke up, but I'm not forgetting all the times you've been there for me, and saved my life. And I expect her to have enough respect for their history to not be an ungrateful shrew. B/c I don't know how it goes in your world, but the fact that someone no longer is in love with me wouldn't make me forget that they had been my rescuer on about a dozen occasions. But hey, thats me. Your mileage may vary.

[smallvillerocks45]

Granted that I knew there was no was that Lana could have known Clark was the one who blocked the bullet, I think, for me, it boiled down to semantics. If she had said : "Thank you Lex for protecting me" or something to that extent it probably wouldn't have bothered me so much. Instead, however, she said: "You saved my life". No he didn't, he didn't even get shot. I would have even accepted a "thank you for risking your life for me" type of line, but what she said exaggerated the moment - for all we (and they) know, the guy might've missed regardless of Clark's presence due to the fact that he was dying. ...but that's just my opinion. It doesn't make me right. *shrugs* I liked the episode anyway :D

[myankskent]

Originally posted by BadToad
Yes, I totally expect that. Or, I expect her to say that I'm hurt we broke up, but I'm not forgetting all the times you've been there for me, and saved my life. And I expect her to have enough respect for their history to not be an ungrateful shrew. B/c I don't know how it goes in your world, but the fact that someone no longer is in love with me wouldn't make me forget that they had been my rescuer on about a dozen occasions. But hey, thats me. Your mileage may vary.

That's ridiculous. BadToad, you seem to be an older person like I am based on your literacy, but if you really believe that, then you are being unfair. When you break up with someone, you are not thinking logically. Plain and simple.

[BadToad]

myankskent, with all due respect, my opinion is no more "ridiculous" then any of yours. You don't have to agree, but please show some respect for others opinions, as I assume you expect the same in return. I think Lana is being an ungrateful witch, and thats MY opinion, and perfectly valid to me based on the events that occured on the show. You don't have to agree. I don't expect to you, since its all about Lana for you.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by BadToad
myankskent, with all due respect, my opinion is no more "ridiculous" then any of yours. You don't have to agree, but please show some respect for others opinions, as I assume you expect the same in return. I think Lana is being an ungrateful witch, and thats MY opinion, and perfectly valid to me based on the events that occured on the show. You don't have to agree. I don't expect to you, since its all about Lana for you.

nope...it's all about Clark for you. I don't have a favorite character per say on this show. I respect your opinion, but tell me how Clark has not messed up in this situation. Let's debate that for a while.

[BadToad]

No, lets not debate that. Its already been discussed quite a bit, and obviously people are pretty intractable in their positions. You think he should tell Lana, I don't. You think its all his fault she ran to Lex, I don't. You think Lana has done no wrong in the relationship, I don't. Etc.

And please, you are obviously all about Lana.

So yes, I'm siding with Clark.

[Fly by guy]

From experience I know that people do irrational things after a bad breakup of a long term relationship. Ignorance runs rampant on both sides. People do things that in hindsight seem outrageous and ludicrus but eventually the door opens, the light comes on, and even bitterness subsides.
Lana was blindsided by the breakup even though she knew there were problems, that is why she kept reaffirming her love and asking Clark to reassure her about his feelings.
However, for Lana to forget all the times Clark saved her and to even suggest that Lex was heroic in Fade is flying the kite alittle to close to the trees. It just doesn't fly. Lex wasn't shot. Besides, each time Lex has been around to "save" Lana, it has been his fault she was in danger. Stand close enough to the dynamite and eventually someone will light the fuse, dumbass. For a character that I enjoyed so much, it is hard to see the freefall. Fortunately, rebound relationships ultimately fail and no matter what happened in the hospital with our hero, Lex, he won't be able to hide his true self much longer. Thanks, Milton. Oh yeah I forgot. Clark is still a BDA because you either shape up, wise up, grow up, or you "Fade".

[smallvillerocks45]

Love your last line: "...you either shape up, wise up, grow up, or you "fade""...words to live by.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by BadToad
No, lets not debate that. Its already been discussed quite a bit, and obviously people are pretty intractable in their positions. You think he should tell Lana, I don't. You think its all his fault she ran to Lex, I don't. You think Lana has done no wrong in the relationship, I don't. Etc.

And please, you are obviously all about Lana.

So yes, I'm siding with Clark.

Actually, you are mistaken. I think Lana deserves what she gets from Lex. I also think that Lana has done wrong in the relationship. But I don't think that Clark is completely innocent either. Now do you think I am pro lana?

[BadToad]

LOL, of course. Please, I read and retain.

Whatever, lets just move this thread along. You have your opinion, I have mine, and never the 'twain shall meet. So, lets not clog up the thread with a back and forth that goes nowhere.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by BadToad
LOL, of course. Please, I read and retain.

Whatever, lets just move this thread along. You have your opinion, I have mine, and never the 'twain shall meet. So, lets not clog up the thread with a back and forth that goes nowhere.

I actually want to get inside your head and see what you really think. You and I have had some duels in the past, but I really don't understand your stance on things being that you are pro clark. If you don't want to share your opinion, that's cool.

[All about Clark]

I have to agree with BadToad, Lana has made a lot of bad decisions that have nothing to do with his secret and him not telling her. Those bad decisions are one of the reasons he never told her.

It's true what one of you said, that Lana didn't question Lex but would have questioned Clark. She seems to be as wrapped up in the secret as Lex is. If she really felt that way, then why would she ever get in a relationship with Clark. Lana's continuous harping on Clark is what ruined the relationship. She could have easily just focused on her love for him and accepted him as is, but she didn't and now it's over.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by All about Clark
I have to agree with BadToad, Lana has made a lot of bad decisions that have nothing to do with his secret and him not telling her. Those bad decisions are one of the reasons he never told her.

It's true what one of you said, that Lana didn't question Lex but would have questioned Clark. She seems to be as wrapped up in the secret as Lex is. If she really felt that way, then why would she ever get in a relationship with Clark. Lana's continuous harping on Clark is what ruined the relationship. She could have easily just focused on her love for him and accepted him as is, but she didn't and now it's over.


I disagree. What woman is going to say "that's ok, I know you're lying right to my face, but I don't care because I'm going to focus on your love for me?" And we can't argue what Lana "would have" done; that's not a valid argument. We can only concretely argue what she has done. It's over because he's a wimp, and I guess he thought his secret would put her in danger. But all he has to do is look at Chloe and see that that's not true.

[All about Clark]

A woman who is loyal and believes in him and convinces him she is his no matter what. But Lana will never give all of herself. The very fact that he told her the first time means he wanted to give himself to her. And no matter what anyone says, he would have told her the second time if he believed that she was the one, he would have found a way.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by All about Clark
I have to agree with BadToad, Lana has made a lot of bad decisions that have nothing to do with his secret and him not telling her. Those bad decisions are one of the reasons he never told her.

It's true what one of you said, that Lana didn't question Lex but would have questioned Clark. She seems to be as wrapped up in the secret as Lex is. If she really felt that way, then why would she ever get in a relationship with Clark. Lana's continuous harping on Clark is what ruined the relationship. She could have easily just focused on her love for him and accepted him as is, but she didn't and now it's over.

What bad decisions?


Originally posted by All about Clark
A woman who is loyal and believes in him and convinces him she is his no matter what. But Lana will never give all of herself. The very fact that he told her the first time means he wanted to give himself to her. And no matter what anyone says, he would have told her the second time if he believed that she was the one, he would have found a way.

So basically, you're saying that Lana should give herself to him, even though Clark doesn't give himself to her?

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
I disagree. What woman is going to say "that's ok, I know you're lying right to my face, but I don't care because I'm going to focus on your love for me?" And we can't argue what Lana "would have" done; that's not a valid argument. We can only concretely argue what she has done. It's over because he's a wimp, and I guess he thought his secret would put her in danger. But all he has to do is look at Chloe and see that that's not true.

Again, Chloe dis-associated herself from Lex back around Bound or Scare. Lana has not. Since Bound/Scare, Lex has done many bad things. Clark & Chloe started understanding that no matter what Lex does (even good intentions), bad things happen as a result (see Onyx). It's because he is obsessed with meteor rocks, Clark's secret, etc.

Especially since Commencement and up through Mortal Clark truly learned what Lex was all about. Lana stayed in Lex's orbit after all that (yes, he put her life in danger), even after Clark pulled away from him. Would you trust your girlfriend with such a secret if she was hanging around a guy who betrayed you to try and find out your secret? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Even worse, Lana knows that Lex is obsessed with finding out Clark's secret and takes his medical file to him. If she cared about Clark as much as she said right before he died, wouldn't she just be happy that his life was spared by a miracle? No, because she has to find out the secret and why there is so much mystery. Now I do blame Clark partly for this in that he was kidding himself by not telling her after he lost his powers (at the end of Arrival). I don't think it was fair towards Lana that she found out she was sleeping with an alien after the fact.

But the reason it all ended was mainly due to Lex. Lex hired Simone to do what she did. Lex was the one to chase after Lana and get her killed in that accident. And Lana should have been smart enough to stay the hell away from him, especially after Clark proposed to her. Lois & Chloe are smart enough to stay away from Lex, why the hell not Lana?

Bottom line: Clark told her and she died not because of it, but because she hung around Lex, who is/was reckless and who knew she knew the secret. That's why Clark didn't tell her the 2nd time around. All that coupled with his father's death has made him more stone-like in dealing with Lana. If it was me in his shoes, I would have cut & run a long time before.

[All about Clark]

He did, do you not remember Reckoning, he gave her everything, and for her to end up at Lex's mansion.

The bad decision to go to Lex in Reckoning and got killed, the bad decision to date Lex knowing he's bad news. The bad decision to work with Lex behind Clark's back relating to the ship. The bad decision to lie to Clark in Splinter. The bad decision to go to MetU without even letting Clark know she was leaving. The bad decision to take medical records to Lex in Hidden and to work with Lex on the mystery of Clark. Need I say more.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Again, Chloe dis-associated herself from Lex back around Bound or Scare. Lana has not. Since Bound/Scare, Lex has done many bad things. Clark & Chloe started understanding that no matter what Lex does (even good intentions), bad things happen as a result. It's because he is obsessed with meteor rocks, Clark's secret, etc.

Especially since Commencement and up through Mortal Clark truly learned what Lex was all about. Lana stayed in Lex's orbit after all that (yes, he put her life in danger), even after Clark pulled away from him. Would you trust your girlfriend with such a secret if she was hanging around a guy who betrayed you to try and find out your secret? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Even worse, Lana knows that Lex is obsessed with finding out Clark's secret and takes his medical file to him. If she cared about Clark as much as she said right before he died, wouldn't she just be happy that his life was spared by a miracle? No, because she has to find out the secret and why there is so much mystery. Now I do blame Clark partly for this in that he was kidding himself b, I y not telling her after he lost his powers (at the end of Arrival). I don't think it was fair towards Lana that she found out she was sleeping with an alien after the fact.

But the reason it all ended was mainly due to Lex. Lex hired Simone to do what she did. Lex was the one to chase after Lana and get her killed in that accident. And Lana should have been smart enough to stay the hell away from him, especially after Clark proposed to her. Lois & Chloe are smart enough to stay away from Lex, why the hell not Lana?

Well, the answer is because Lana has been friends with Lex for a long time, unlike Chloe and Lois. Lex was partners with her at the talon, and he has always been there for her. Again, I don't think that Clark is not telling Lana because he feels that Lana will betray him, I think that he is not telling her because he fears for her getting killed.


Originally posted by All about Clark
He did, do you not remember Reckoning, he gave her everything, and for her to end up at Lex's mansion.

The bad decision to go to Lex in Reckoning and got killed, the bad decision to date Lex knowing he's bad news. The bad decision to work with Lex behind Clark's back relating to the ship. The bad decision to lie to Clark in Splinter. The bad decision to go to MetU without even letting Clark know she was leaving. The bad decision to take medical records to Lex in Hidden and to work with Lex on the mystery of Clark. Need I say more.

Alright, Lana came clean about the ship with Clark in Fanatic I believe, at the end of the episode. So that negates splinter and the fact that she lied to him about the ship. As far as the medical records are concerned, I hear that a lot, but what damage has that really caused in the show?

[FiveForFighting09]

Man that was a sad moment but what if it happened this way...

Lana: You saved my life..

*Clarks burst in through the doors*

Clark: No!! i did see *shows bullet in hand* .....

yep that would have been awesome to see the look on her face...

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
Well, the answer is because Lana has been friends with Lex for a long time, unlike Chloe and Lois. Lex was partners with her at the talon, and he has always been there for her. Again, I don't think that Clark is not telling Lex because he feels that Lana will betray him, I think that he is not telling her because he fears for her getting killed.

I'm thinking that you're saying this, but know that Lana should really not be friends with Lex anymore. By this, I mean that you believe the events since Commencement should really be in her memory and she should have broken her ties with him, and this factor is what makes Lexana be so forced. Am I correct? Because that is my main problem. Yes, she was friends with him for a while (Clark was friends with him even longer than Lana but he's not anymore), but she should remember the bad things and lies he told, which would make Lexana impossible.

When you say getting her killed, do you mean as a result of her friendship with Lex, or her being Clark's boyfriend due to Clark's many enemies? If you mean the latter, then Clark should never be with a girl until he becomes & uses Superman to do his heroic deeds. Because until then, people will always bother him and anyone close to him would be in danger.

[All about Clark]

It shows her disloyalty, to work with Lex to uncover Clark's secret, you bet it's disloyal.

And since when is it OK to lie to the one you love like she did in Splinter, regardless that he found out, which he wouldn't have, if he didn't accidently make her drop her stuff. Do you really think it is OK to go behind the back of someone you love, to work with someone you've expressed your dislike/feelings about.

So based on these disloyal acts, why on Earth would he ever tell her the secret now.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by FiveForFighting09
Man that was a sad moment but what if it happened this way...

Lana: You saved my life..

*Clarks burst in through the doors*

Clark: No!! i did see *shows bullet in hand* .....

yep that would have been awesome to see the look on her face...

It would have been cool if the door to the hospital room was slightly ajar and he threw the spent bullet and it made a 'clink' sound as it hit the floor followed by him superspeeding out of there.

[TalkinMac]

I about crapped my pants when she said that.

I was yelling at the tv.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm thinking that you're saying this, but know that Lana should really not be friends with Lex anymore. By this, I mean that you believe the events since Commencement should really be in her memory and she should have broken her ties with him, and this factor is what makes Lexana be so forced. Am I correct? Because that is my main problem. Yes, she was friends with him for a while (Clark was friends with him even longer than Lana but he's not anymore), but she should remember the bad things and lies he told, which would make Lexana impossible.

When you say getting her killed, do you mean as a result of her friendship with Lex, or her being Clark's boyfriend due to Clark's many enemies? If you mean the latter, then Clark should never be with a girl until he becomes & uses Superman to do his heroic deeds. Because until then, people will always bother him and anyone close to him would be in danger.

I feel that Lexana is forced romantically, not in terms of friendship. Clark has acted like an a$$ to Lana when he was on red kryptonite, yet she forgives Clark for that. Why not forgive Lex? Romantically, it is ridiculous and I have no explanation why Lana has decided to be with Lex.

By getting her killed, I mean because of her friendship with Lex. That's what got her killed, it had nothing to do with knowing Clark's secret, and proof of that is the second half of Reckoning.

[TalkinMac]

Originally posted by xrayvision
It would have been cool if the door to the hospital room was slightly ajar and he threw the spent bullet and it made a 'clink' sound as it hit the floor followed by him superspeeding out of there.
Nods, that is how it should have played out.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by All about Clark
It shows her disloyalty, to work with Lex to uncover Clark's secret, you bet it's disloyal.

And since when is it OK to lie to the one you love like she did in Splinter, regardless that he found out, which he wouldn't have, if he didn't accidently make her drop her stuff. Do you really think it is OK to go behind the back of someone you love, to work with someone you've expressed your dislike/feelings about.

So based on these disloyal acts, why on Earth would he ever tell her the secret now.

Working wiht Lex to uncover Clark's secret? Explain to me how she knew that she was working to uncover her boyfriend's secret. And in terms of Clark telling Lana about Lex, he sure does limit the details in why he hates him. And most of the things that Lana should "know" regarding Clark's feelings for Lex has happened on offscreensville, so how do we know what Lana is aware of?

[TalkinMac]

It doesnt matter whether or not she is inkling to find out what Clarks secret is, it is that he is in no position to tell her now because she is with Lex now.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
Working wiht Lex to uncover Clark's secret? Explain to me how she knew that she was working to uncover her boyfriend's secret. And in terms of Clark telling Lana about Lex, he sure does limit the details in why he hates him. And most of the things that Lana should "know" regarding Clark's feelings for Lex has happened on offscreensville, so how do we know what Lana is aware of?

Somewhat related to this thread, it seemed like she was starting to accidentally uncover his secret when she postulated that what if a ship landed during the 1st meteor shower. My question has always been, who put this in her mind? I thought Fine was a good candidate, since he can teach at multiple distant colleges with his speed (or by cloning himself from the ship). Now, I may also consider it could have been Lex (offscreen). What a shame that this was done offscreen as it would have been a very interesting arc. Not only that, but it seems like this has been dropped since Lana doesn't seem to be pursuing it anymore as she was pre-Reckoning.

[All about Clark]

She is aware of Clark's feeling on Lex onscreen in a conversation between Chloe and Lana in Lockdown.

It was blatant that when Lana came to Lex in Hidden and gave the medical files, Lex says "you have your doubts about him too". Which means they have been discussing Clark's unusualness behind his back. Not typical actions of a loved one.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Somewhat related to this thread, it seemed like she was starting to accidentally uncover his secret when she postulated that what if a ship landed during the 1st meteor shower. My question has always been, who put this in her mind? I thought Fine was a good candidate, since he can teach at multiple distant colleges with his speed (or by cloning himself from the ship). Now, I may also consider it could have been Lex (offscreen). What a shame that this was done offscreen as it would have been a very interesting arc. Not only that, but it seems like this has been dropped since Lana doesn't seem to be pursuing it anymore as she was pre-Reckoning.

No, she viewed satellite images of this...she showed Clark the pictures. She wasn't getting close to figuring out Clark's secret, she just realized that another ship landed in the first meteor shower. Clark decided to tell Lana the secret because she was getting close to lex in the first place, ie. end of lockdown. So from Clark's standpoint, for him to not know that Lexana was coming after he lied to lana in Cyborg, he is a moron. I'm sorry, but it's true. And I still think that Lana going to Lex is her fault, but Clark has a big part in it as well.


Originally posted by All about Clark
She is aware of Clark's feeling on Lex onscreen in a conversation between Chloe and Lana in Lockdown.

It was blatant that when Lana came to Lex in Hidden and gave the medical files, Lex says "you have your doubts about him too". Which means they have been discussing Clark's unusualness behind his back. Not typical actions of a loved one.

And yet, you're going to sit there and say to me that you wouldn't be confused about Clark if you saw him die, and then you see him alive at the kent farm with his clothes burned up? I think you would be just as confused as Lana was. It seems like you expect Lana to just throw away her misunderstandings and be with Clark because he has saved her a bunch of times.

[All about Clark]

Your statement is assuming something I never said.

If I wanted answers from the guy I love, I wouldn't go to Lex, I would go to Clark and try to prove to him he could tell me. You don't go to someone your loved one doesn't trust, that is for sure.

I always felt that Lana could have pushed him in a more loving way and got what she wanted. But her method was to make him feel bad, like he hiding something. Her methods put him on edge and I wouldn't tell her either.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Your statement is assuming something I never said.

If I wanted answers from the guy I love, I wouldn't go to Lex, I would go to Clark and try to prove to him he could tell me. You don't go to someone your loved one doesn't trust, that is for sure.

I always felt that Lana could have pushed him in a more loving way and got what she wanted. But her method was to make him feel bad, like he hiding something. Her methods put him on edge and I wouldn't tell her either.

What?! How many times has she gone to Clark for answers? And how many times has he said the same BS! If you go back to earlier in the series, she tried in a loving way to get him to open up. It didn't work. And when has her methods put her on the edge? For the last time, Clark didn't tell her because he feared for her safety, he never thought that she would tell Lex the secret, and guess what? She didn't tell Lex, even in Reckoning.

Oh and by the way, she never went to Lex for answers about "Clark". She went to Lex for answers on the ship..something that she found in the first place.

[Zungas]

I guess they didn't hear the gunshot or feel the gust of wind from Clark.

[All about Clark]

I gave you an actual quote from Hidden when she handed Lex Clark's medical files, and that quote indicates she has had many discussions about Clark, not about the ship. And at that time, she didn't know Lex had the ship. Maybe you should rewatch it since your argument doesn't hold water. If you are not going to use facts than there's no point in talking with you. Bye

[elroyofkrypton]

Here's my take on the Lexana thing:

Anyone remember the Lois & Clark episode REQUIUM FOR A HEAVYWEIGHT, in which Lex engineers the death of his partner in crime, shoots him as he was "threathening" Lex and Lois, and Superman lands just as Lois turns to Lex and says "Lex, you saved my life?" This is a take on that old story. Makes me want to go read INFINITE CRISIS: ONE YEAR LATER, so I can see what Season Seven will be.

Now, in Lois & Clark, this was the first move towards Lex for Lois and his machinations against Superman. Lex fell head over heels for Lois in PHERENOMES, and said to his assistant, "I am doomed." Lois, by episode 20 or so of L&C, has decided to marry Lex.

Remember that Lex paid the girl in HYPNOTIC to break up Clark and Lana. My only gripe (and I really enjoyed FADE, even if it was filler) is that Lex isn't being shown as really creepy as he should be. In L&C, by the time Lex has torched the Daily Planet and thrown everyone out of work, we really HATE Lex Luthor! Our current jerk is in league with Braniac! THAT is comic book canon. If there is a great season-ending episode, it will be because we finally get some classic storyline from the comics. In the comics, coming up with a deadly virus to end all life on Earth is par for the course for Silver Age Lex Luthor.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[myankskent]

Originally posted by All about Clark
I gave you an actual quote from Hidden when she handed Lex Clark's medical files, and that quote indicates she has had many discussions about Clark, not about the ship. And at that time, she didn't know Lex had the ship. Maybe you should rewatch it since your argument doesn't hold water. If you are not going to use facts than there's no point in talking with you. Bye

Am I denying that Lana has talked about Clark behind his back? No. But what does that prove? What do you expect Lana to do? Do you expect her to act stupidly and forget about all of her questions about him? I read your posts, by the way. And I know the show, but you can't give me an example and not explain yourself.


Originally posted by elroyofkrypton
Here's my take on the Lexana thing:

Anyone remember the Lois & Clark episode REQUIUM FOR A HEAVYWEIGHT, in which Lex engineers the death of his partner in crime, shoots him as he was "threathening" Lex and Lois, and Superman lands just as Lois turns to Lex and says "Lex, you saved my life?"

Now, in Lois & Clark, this was the first move towards Lex for Lois and his machinations against Superman. Lex fell head over heels for Lois in PHERENOMES, and said to his assistant, "I am doomed." Lois, by episode 20 or so of L&C, has decided to marry Lex.

Remember that Lex paid the girl in HYPNOTIC to break up Clark and Lana. My only gripe (and I really enjoyed FADE, even if it was filler) is that Lex isn't being shown as really creepy as he should be. In L&C, by the time Lex has torched the Daily Planet and thrown everyone out of work, we really HATE Lex Luthor! Our current jerk is in league with Braniac! THAT is comic book canon. If there is a great season-ending episode, it will be because we finally get some classic storyline from the comics. In the comics, coming up with a deadly virus to end all life on Earth is par for the course for Silver Age Lex Luthor.

Yeah, the only problem is Lex isn't trying to destroy the earth, Brainiac is. Lex is trying to get rich by getting answers about the spaceship. Lex on Smallville is still a weak little string bean who gives orders to lousy security. Lionel is the powerful one.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
No, she viewed satellite images of this...she showed Clark the pictures. She wasn't getting close to figuring out Clark's secret, she just realized that another ship landed in the first meteor shower. Clark decided to tell Lana the secret because she was getting close to lex in the first place, ie. end of lockdown. So from Clark's standpoint, for him to not know that Lexana was coming after he lied to lana in Cyborg, he is a moron. I'm sorry, but it's true. And I still think that Lana going to Lex is her fault, but Clark has a big part in it as well.

Well she said that there was something that didn't crash like all the other meteors and instead landed, but she wasn't 100% sure it was a ship. I find it hard to believe that there would be photos tracking the meteors & Clark's ship all the way down to Earth in their descent. I also find it hard to believe that she was the first person who noticed this and that someone else with much more interest in the meteor shower didn't see those long before Lana, hence starting a long-term investigation in Smallville. What I really am interested in is who pointed these images out to her? I'm sure they would be withheld by government operatives, so she would need special access to them (something Lex may be able to get). Plus studying a meteor shower that happened in Smallville is not something someone would be studying in an undergraduate college class.

I don't think Clark would have ever expected Lana to be romantically interested in Lex. Maybe she would have left him and stayed single for a while or at worst case found someone else other than Lex, but as far as Lexana, I doubt he would have expected that to happen. I agree that right before Reckoning took place, he thought that telling Lana about his secret would get her away from Lex as a friend & partner on the ship (which it didn't since she ran to him that night), but after JK died, I think he was just trying to find a way to break up with her (just didn't have the guts to tell her until Hypnotic). Perhaps he thought that if they were no longer together, then she would stop asking questions about him and lose all interest in his secret. But I think the last thing on not only his mind but that of Chloe (& Lois if she ever finds out) was for Lana to end up in this Lexana relationship with Lex. Chloe was also horrified when she found out in Fragile.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by myankskent



Yeah, the only problem is Lex isn't trying to destroy the earth, Brainiac is. Lex is trying to get rich by getting answers about the spaceship. Lex on Smallville is still a weak little string bean who gives orders to lousy security. Lionel is the powerful one.



I dont know if I agree. I think right now Lex is far more powerful than Lionel, hence the Apax deal. While I agree that Lex doesnt want to destroy the Earth we saw what happens when he becomes pres in hourglass. So who really knows what he's capable of.

[GreenRock]

There is nothing to compare. Clark rarely risks his life in doing what he does (except when there is a surprise meteor rock.) Lex has risked his life in order to protect Lana. Sure, it was Clark who saved the day using his super powers, but it was Lex who was conciously risking his life to save lana. Even if Lana knew that Clark was able to come in and save them from the bullet, would that compare to the guy who used himself as a human shield to protect her? Get real.

[AnimeJoe]

I thin the reason Lana had no reason to question Lex but did question Clark is because:

Lex never rescued her while she was INSIDE of a tornado... Lex never rescued her from any situation that required some kind of superhero like intervention. Lana has seen Lex injured/wounded a number of times. Lex is quite mortal to her... Clark is a totally different story. Clark is still an enigma with some unexplained heroics.

Lex was still in the hospital recovering and yet he was willing to take a bullet for her, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with her being grateful to him the way she was.


If the shooter had nailed Lex at close range, and he fell to the ground bleeding but still survived the shot, Lana would have absolutely no reason to question what happened...

Now replace Lex with Clark who gets shot at close range and then stands up uninjured, of course Lana or just about any sane person paying attention to the action would have more than enough reasons to question him.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by GreenRock
There is nothing to compare. Clark rarely risks his life in doing what he does (except when there is a surprise meteor rock.)
Clark did risk his life in Mortal. And the other times Clark has saved Lana, she doesn't know that it's not a risk to him. I do think she is showing some ingratitude.

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
Lex never rescued her from any situation that required some kind of superhero like intervention. Lana has seen Lex injured/wounded a number of times. Lex is quite mortal to her... Clark is a totally different story. Clark is still an enigma with some unexplained heroics.
I think this is a really good point, and I think it explains why she feels so trusting toward Lex rather than suspicious, the way she felt about Clark. What's ironic, though, is that Lex is certainly an enigma, too. Just a different kind.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Well she said that there was something that didn't crash like all the other meteors and instead landed, but she wasn't 100% sure it was a ship. I find it hard to believe that there would be photos tracking the meteors & Clark's ship all the way down to Earth in their descent. I also find it hard to believe that she was the first person who noticed this and that someone else with much more interest in the meteor shower didn't see those long before Lana, hence starting a long-term investigation in Smallville. What I really am interested in is who pointed these images out to her? I'm sure they would be withheld by government operatives, so she would need special access to them (something Lex may be able to get). Plus studying a meteor shower that happened in Smallville is not something someone would be studying in an undergraduate college class.

I don't think Clark would have ever expected Lana to be romantically interested in Lex. Maybe she would have left him and stayed single for a while or at worst case found someone else other than Lex, but as far as Lexana, I doubt he would have expected that to happen. I agree that right before Reckoning took place, he thought that telling Lana about his secret would get her away from Lex as a friend & partner on the ship (which it didn't since she ran to him that night), but after JK died, I think he was just trying to find a way to break up with her (just didn't have the guts to tell her until Hypnotic). Perhaps he thought that if they were no longer together, then she would stop asking questions about him and lose all interest in his secret. But I think the last thing on not only his mind but that of Chloe (& Lois if she ever finds out) was for Lana to end up in this Lexana relationship with Lex. Chloe was also horrified when she found out in Fragile.

Well she admitted that she wasn't studying the first meteor shower for a class. Initially, she lied to him. They got into a fight in Fanatic where Clark started going off on Lana about studying astronomy. Later on, Lana said that she wasn't honest and that she was researching the first meteor shower because it had such an impact on her life. I don't know how she got the images, my guess is Lex.

About Lexana, I think the romantic part of it is unrealistic anyway, but just in terms of Lana choosing Lex as more than a friend than Clark, Clark was a fool to let that happen. I mean really, how can Lana take Clark's side if he's not honest, and Clark not being honest is so visible, whereas Lex can hide it much better. Clark should have at least realized that he was basically sending Lana Lex's way. The end of Lockdown and when he saw them together after the near accident in Reckoning is proof of that. Romantic Lexana is completely Lana's fault, it was her stupidity to open herself up to Lex in that way.

[AnimeJoe]

The end of Lockdown and when he saw them together after the near accident in Reckoning is proof of that. Romantic Lexana is completely Lana's fault, it was her stupidity to open herself up to Lex in that way.


I COMPLETELY disagree with that. I don't think it was Lana's fault, in fact, I blame EVERYTHING post-Reckoning on Shelby for some bizarre reason. And one day, I shall get the proof I need that that dog is pure evil!

[GreenRock]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Clark did risk his life in Mortal. And the other times Clark has saved Lana, she doesn't know that it's not a risk to him. I do think she is showing some ingratitude.


As I recall, Clark risked his life to save his whole family, and not just Lana. As for the times he saved Lana, they tend to be a "secret" which Lana doesn't know about. She can't show ingratitude for that (what ever you feel gratitude means.) And he would be really lying to her if he made it look like he was risking his life when in fact he wasn't. Also, he was the one who broke up with her when she was totally attached to him.

I'm not trying to say that Clark is evil (though maybe stupid and much too judgemental,) but that Lex was ready to give Lana his life in order to protect her. Even his decision to seek power (taking the evil path as the dream suggested) was in a great part to avoid loosing her. Lex does have secrets, but he is willing to reveal them if he felt they would compromise his relationship with her, something that Clark would not do.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
I COMPLETELY disagree with that. I don't think it was Lana's fault, in fact, I blame EVERYTHING post-Reckoning on Shelby for some bizarre reason. And one day, I shall get the proof I need that that dog is pure evil!

Alright, until you get that proof, we'll kill Lana for it.:lol:


Originally posted by GreenRock
As I recall, Clark risked his life to save his whole family, and not just Lana. As for the times he saved Lana, they tend to be a "secret" which Lana doesn't know about. She can't show ingratitude for that (what ever you feel gratitude means.) And he would be really lying to her if he made it look like he was risking his life when in fact he wasn't. Also, he was the one who broke up with her when she was totally attached to him.

I'm not trying to say that Clark is evil (though maybe stupid and much too judgemental,) but that Lex was ready to give Lana his life in order to protect her. Even his decision to seek power (taking the evil path as the dream suggested) was in a great part to avoid loosing her. Lex does have secrets, but he is willing to reveal them if he felt they would compromise his relationship with her, something that Clark would not do.

I'm on the fence with this one. There have been many times where Clark has saved Lana when she wasn't aware of it, but she's aware of it enough times to realize that Clark has always been there for her. But I don't think that you can take those kinds of things and factor them into the Clana breakup. The bottom line is Clark lied to her and she knows it, they had a nasty breakup, so it's very hard to say that Lana should just be on the best of terms with Clark. Most people, when they have that kind of a breakup, will go through a period of time where they will hate the other person for what they did.

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Your statement is assuming something I never said.

If I wanted answers from the guy I love, I wouldn't go to Lex, I would go to Clark and try to prove to him he could tell me. You don't go to someone your loved one doesn't trust, that is for sure.

I always thought those conversations about Clark took place during season 3. In Reckoning, Lex mentioned that Lana had talked to him about Clark's behavior in Metropolis. At that time, though, Clark and Lex were still on good terms. In season 4, I don't think Lana and Lex talked much about Clark. Most of the time, Lana was chewing Lex out because he had done something behind her back (i.e., getting Jason fired, asking Jason to feed him information, the trip to China, etc.). She only began working with Lex after Splinter, and I got the impression that they were focused on finding answers about the ship, not Clark. Lana has talked to Chloe about Clark, though, just as Clark has talked to Chloe about Lana. If that constitutes disloyalty, then both are guilty.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by GreenRock
As I recall, Clark risked his life to save his whole family, and not just Lana. As for the times he saved Lana, they tend to be a "secret" which Lana doesn't know about. She can't show ingratitude for that (what ever you feel gratitude means.) And he would be really lying to her if he made it look like he was risking his life when in fact he wasn't. Also, he was the one who broke up with her when she was totally attached to him.
Dichotic, X-ray, Nicodemus, Drone, Obscura, Vortex, Visage, Precipice, Accelerate, Extinction, Magnetic, Hereafter, Crisis, Foresaken, Spell, Forever, Mortal, Thirst, Lockdown -- all episodes where Lana knows that Clark is the one who kept her safe or kept her alive. And by gratitude I mean a simple acknowledgement of that fact. Doesn't matter if he broke with her. She's alive many times over thanks to Clark. And she knows it.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Dichotic, X-ray, Nicodemus, Drone, Obscura, Vortex, Visage, Precipice, Accelerate, Extinction, Magnetic, Hereafter, Crisis, Foresaken, Spell, Forever, Mortal, Thirst, Lockdown -- all episodes where Lana knows that Clark is the one who kept her safe or kept her alive. And by gratitude I mean a simple acknowledgement of that fact. Doesn't matter if he broke with her. She's alive many times over thanks to Clark. And she knows it.

She also would never have been in danger had Clark not come to Earth. Alright, that's unfair to say because Lana doesn't know that. Look, about what Lana should say, she's not about to attempt to kill Clark here for breaking up with her. She was hurt that he lied, and even when Clark did save her all of those times, Clark was caught in lies left and right as well. She did accept the fact that Clark wanted to keep things to himself earlier in the series, but now she was actually in a relationship with him. The stakes were higher and Clark continued to lie. It's unrealistic to have that many near death experiences in real life so I really don't know what Lana was supposed to do. She's annoyed with Clark and she's saying some mean things to him. I just think that it would be weird for Lana to thank him yet again for all of the times that he has saved her in the past right after a nasty breakup that involved the same things that their whole relationship has been about, lies.


Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
I always thought those conversations about Clark took place during season 3. In Reckoning, Lex mentioned that Lana had talked to him about Clark's behavior in Metropolis. At that time, though, Clark and Lex were still on good terms. In season 4, I don't think Lana and Lex talked much about Clark. Most of the time, Lana was chewing Lex out because he had done something behind her back (i.e., getting Jason fired, asking Jason to feed him information, the trip to China, etc.). She only began working with Lex after Splinter, and I got the impression that they were focused on finding answers about the ship, not Clark. Lana has talked to Chloe about Clark, though, just as Clark has talked to Chloe about Lana. If that constitutes disloyalty, then both are guilty.

Yeah, Lana went to Lex about Clark a lot in seasons 2 and 3. So what Lex did say in Reckoning about Lana speaking with him about Clark really took place earlier in the series, when everyone was still friends.

[GreenRock]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Dichotic, X-ray, Nicodemus, Drone, Obscura, Vortex, Visage, Precipice, Accelerate, Extinction, Magnetic, Hereafter, Crisis, Foresaken, Spell, Forever, Mortal, Thirst, Lockdown -- all episodes where Lana knows that Clark is the one who kept her safe or kept her alive. And by gratitude I mean a simple acknowledgement of that fact. Doesn't matter if he broke with her. She's alive many times over thanks to Clark. And she knows it.

He broke up with her in a bad way. She probably is aware that he had something to do with her being alife in those situations, and that's probably how he got her close to him in the first place. This however doesn't give him the right to play with her emotions and expect her to "shut it" when he breaks up with her because she should be grateful for his great deeds. He broke up with her, fine, but he can't dicate to her who she should be with.

And the earlier point remains that in most of these cases, he was not risking his life, but Lex on the other hand is very aware of his mortality when he risks his life to protect her, and Lana is very well aware of that.

[Watching Smallville]

Clark can't tell Lana who to date, of course. By the same token, Clark is under no obligation to date Lana forever.

But when someone saves your life over and over again, it's something someone should keep in mind. :rolleyes:

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Dichotic, X-ray, Nicodemus, Drone, Obscura, Vortex, Visage, Precipice, Accelerate, Extinction, Magnetic, Hereafter, Crisis, Foresaken, Spell, Forever, Mortal, Thirst, Lockdown -- all episodes where Lana knows that Clark is the one who kept her safe or kept her alive. And by gratitude I mean a simple acknowledgement of that fact. Doesn't matter if he broke with her. She's alive many times over thanks to Clark. And she knows it.

I totally disagree with this perspective. Yes, all of those things are true. Yes, it is also true that she does know that Clark has been there to save her many, many times. All true. So what does she do to show her gratitude? She falls in love with him and wants to be with him. What else is she supposed to do to show her gratitude? Seriously, what else should she do? Virtually all of those episodes has ended with a loft scene of some sort with her acknowledging what he's done for her.

And what does Clark do in return? Yes, he's there for her and all of his friends when they need him most. We know that. But what else does he bring to his relationship with Lana? His devotion to her, yes, but beyond that it is nothing but lies, shades-of-gray, conversation deflections, etc. Lana clearly knows he's different and it kills her that he can't share his secrets with her, and he's never given her any good reason as to WHY he's got to keep these secrets from her, as to WHY he has to lie to her all the time. She's just supposed to accept it on faith that he's got his reasons, even after all they've been through and after all this time.

So what does Lana go and do? She devotes herself to Clark, despite all of the lies and deceptions. Yes, the curiosity has been killing her this season and it's been a frequent topic of discussion, but a good portion of that had to do with the space ship, which was just another whole set of lies related to Clark. But in the end, in Hypnotic, Clark shut her down - again - and she had clearly decided that she loved him and was willing to ride it out, as long as took. She told him as much. And what does he do? He breaks her heart in the most devastating way possible. Completely catches her off-guard. You could tell from her reactions when she asked him to tell her he didn't love her that, when he turned to her, she was simply shocked. And when he actually said it, she was just floored.

So, given all of that, she's *ingrateful*? Ingrateful for all of the times in the past that he's saved her? Are you serious? I'm not even a big supporter of this Lex/Lana relationship, but clearly both of them have NO ONE else in either of their lives that they can turn to, so they've turned to each other. Lex does a pretty damn heroic thing, picking up a gun and defending the both of them, then shielding her with his body when he's going to shoot at them, and she simply acknowledges that he's saved her life, and THAT makes her ingrateful to Clark? Are you serious? Wait, did I already ask that? I think I did...

I mean, c'mon people. One person said this line was melodramatic and over the top. I'll grant that without question. But clearly they are trying to tie the two of them together in a very intimate way in a very short period of time. Nothing like a little near-death experience, and little high-intrigue or whatever to bring two people - who have NO ONE in the world to turn to but each other - together. I get that, even if I don't really like the relationship overall. But what I don't get is how anything - *anything* - Lana does at this point can be construed as *ingrateful* to Clark after the hell he has put her through. As far as I'm concerned, she gets a total free pass when it comes to Clark right up to the point that she is actively plotting with Lex to take Clark down. Up to that point, Clark was the one that completely devastated her after putting her through a year from hell, and she truly does owe him nothing.

All of those times when he's been there for her, the majority of which she doesn't even KNOW about? How many times can he step ALL OVER her before that score is settled?

Ok, sorry for the rant.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by jwoodie
I totally disagree with this perspective. Yes, all of those things are true. Yes, it is also true that she does know that Clark has been there to save her many, many times. All true. So what does she do to show her gratitude? She falls in love with him and wants to be with him. What else is she supposed to do to show her gratitude? Seriously, what else should she do? Virtually all of those episodes has ended with a loft scene of some sort with her acknowledging what he's done for her.

And what does Clark do in return? Yes, he's there for her and all of his friends when they need him most. We know that. But what else does he bring to his relationship with Lana? His devotion to her, yes, but beyond that it is nothing but lies, shades-of-gray, conversation deflections, etc. Lana clearly knows he's different and it kills her that he can't share his secrets with her, and he's never given her any good reason as to WHY he's got to keep these secrets from her, as to WHY he has to lie to her all the time. She's just supposed to accept it on faith that he's got his reasons, even after all they've been through and after all this time.

So what does Lana go and do? She devotes herself to Clark, despite all of the lies and deceptions. Yes, the curiosity has been killing her this season and it's been a frequent topic of discussion, but a good portion of that had to do with the space ship, which was just another whole set of lies related to Clark. But in the end, in Hypnotic, Clark shut her down - again - and she had clearly decided that she loved him and was willing to ride it out, as long as took. She told him as much. And what does he do? He breaks her heart in the most devastating way possible. Completely catches her off-guard. You could tell from her reactions when she asked him to tell her he didn't love her that, when he turned to her, she was simply shocked. And when he actually said it, she was just floored.

So, given all of that, she's *ingrateful*? Ingrateful for all of the times in the past that he's saved her? Are you serious? I'm not even a big supporter of this Lex/Lana relationship, but clearly both of them have NO ONE else in either of their lives that they can turn to, so they've turned to each other. Lex does a pretty damn heroic thing, picking up a gun and defending the both of them, then shielding her with his body when he's going to shoot at them, and she simply acknowledges that he's saved her life, and THAT makes her ingrateful to Clark? Are you serious? Wait, did I already ask that? I think I did...

I mean, c'mon people. One person said this line was melodramatic and over the top. I'll grant that without question. But clearly they are trying to tie the two of them together in a very intimate way in a very short period of time. Nothing like a little near-death experience, and little high-intrigue or whatever to bring two people - who have NO ONE in the world to turn to but each other - together. I get that, even if I don't really like the relationship overall. But what I don't get is how anything - *anything* - Lana does at this point can be construed as *ingrateful* to Clark after the hell he has put her through. As far as I'm concerned, she gets a total free pass when it comes to Clark right up to the point that she is actively plotting with Lex to take Clark down. Up to that point, Clark was the one that completely devastated her after putting her through a year from hell, and she truly does owe him nothing.

All of those times when he's been there for her, the majority of which she doesn't even KNOW about? How many times can he step ALL OVER her before that score is settled?

Ok, sorry for the rant.

This is, by far and away, the best post that I have read. I agree totally with what you say.

[last man of krypton]

One thing that has always bugged me is that why Lana always assumes Clark to be lying. Yes, it's a little suspicious that somehow Clark ends up in battle after battle with meteor-freaks. But no more suspicious than Chloe "I'll hack into this 386 and pull up the Social Security number of George Bush" Sullivan, who also winds up meeting a lot of meteor-freaks. Did Lana every consider that Chloe has enhanced computer skills as a result of the meteor shower? Has she even asked Lex about his meteor-rock induced healing ability? But when it comes to Clark, who gives her a simple answer ("luck", "adrenaline", "don't know") for some of the bizarre things that happen around Smallville, Meteor Capital of the World, she believes he's lying to her face. Once or twice he's been caught in lying, yes. However, those instances tend to be based more on his feelings (eg denying he loved her while she was dating Whitney, etc).

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
One thing that has always bugged me is that why Lana always assumes Clark to be lying. Yes, it's a little suspicious that somehow Clark ends up in battle after battle with meteor-freaks. But no more suspicious than Chloe "I'll hack into this 386 and pull up the Social Security number of George Bush" Sullivan, who also winds up meeting a lot of meteor-freaks. Did Lana every consider that Chloe has enhanced computer skills as a result of the meteor shower? Has she even asked Lex about his meteor-rock induced healing ability? But when it comes to Clark, who gives her a simple answer ("luck", "adrenaline", "don't know") for some of the bizarre things that happen around Smallville, Meteor Capital of the World, she believes he's lying to her face. Once or twice he's been caught in lying, yes. However, those instances tend to be based more on his feelings (eg denying he loved her while she was dating Whitney, etc).

Lana's always had a pretty finely-tuned lie-dar. Going back to the first season, or to Vortex when Clark lied to her about the tornado, she KNEW he was lying to her face. It kills her that he lies to her and she has no idea why, but she's been pretty consistent in knowing when people are lying to her. And the fact is, Clark lies or *avoids the truth* in probably a majority of their conversations together. So even if she believed he was *always* lying to her, she probably would have been right about half the time.


Originally posted by myankskent
This is, by far and away, the best post that I have read. I agree totally with what you say.

Geez, thanks. :) Got a little carried away there, I think...

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
One thing that has always bugged me is that why Lana always assumes Clark to be lying. Yes, it's a little suspicious that somehow Clark ends up in battle after battle with meteor-freaks. But no more suspicious than Chloe "I'll hack into this 386 and pull up the Social Security number of George Bush" Sullivan, who also winds up meeting a lot of meteor-freaks. Did Lana every consider that Chloe has enhanced computer skills as a result of the meteor shower? Has she even asked Lex about his meteor-rock induced healing ability? But when it comes to Clark, who gives her a simple answer ("luck", "adrenaline", "don't know") for some of the bizarre things that happen around Smallville, Meteor Capital of the World, she believes he's lying to her face. Once or twice he's been caught in lying, yes. However, those instances tend to be based more on his feelings (eg denying he loved her while she was dating Whitney, etc).
I don't think these comparisons work. Chloe's computer skills do seem abnormally advanced to us viewers, but in terms of the Smallville universe it must be assumed that those skills aren't abnormal. As far as Lex is concerned, he still gets injured routinely and the only way we know that his immune system is enhanced is because Chloe mentioned it in Extinction. Lana would have no reason to suspect anything about Lex since it's possible for people to survive near death experiences (Lana has had several herself). Clark's feats are much more noticeable (i.e., disappearing in the blink of an eye, always showing up to save the day, protecting Lana during the tordado, rising from the dead and disappearing from the hospital, etc.) and occur much more frequently. On top of that, it's fairly obvious when he's hiding something because it's either written on his face or he lacks an explanation for his behavior.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by jwoodie
And what does Clark do in return? Yes, he's there for her and all of his friends when they need him most. We know that. But what else does he bring to his relationship with Lana? His devotion to her, yes, but beyond that it is nothing but lies, shades-of-gray, conversation deflections, etc. Lana clearly knows he's different and it kills her that he can't share his secrets with her, and he's never given her any good reason as to WHY he's got to keep these secrets from her, as to WHY he has to lie to her all the time. She's just supposed to accept it on faith that he's got his reasons, even after all they've been through and after all this time.
I am really surprised by this point of view. It's as if all that matters is the romance. I don't see life that way. If you have no life at all, then there is no romance.

If Lana was unhappy w/ Clark's lies, why didn't she break up with him long ago. That's what women do when the men they are dating behave in ways they can't handle. She complains and complains, and hangs on and hangs on until Clark breaks it off -- as Clana fans would argue -- for her own good.

You just don't forget the fact that someone saves your life. You just don't.

If Lana wants to move on, then move on gracefully. And remember that Clark had your back for years of your life.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
As far as Lex is concerned, he still gets injured routinely and the only way we know that his immune system is enhanced is because Chloe mentioned it in Extinction.

I'm curious about this. Did I miss this? I remember Chloe had Lex in her database in Extinction and its been postulated a few times (usually by Lex when he's feeling contemplative) that maybe he really is a freak, as he said. But did this become accepted fact in the SV universe?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by jwoodie
I'm curious about this. Did I miss this? I remember Chloe had Lex in her database in Extinction and its been postulated a few times (usually by Lex when he's feeling contemplative) that maybe he really is a freak, as he said. But did this become accepted fact in the SV universe?

Lex has a very high white blood cell count. That is why he has never been sick since the meteor shower. I guess it is related to that.

[AnimeJoe]

Well in Extinction she did tell Clark that Lex's white blood cell count was through the roof ;)

[last man of krypton]

Hi KS, I appreciate you taking the time to address each point, I can tell I'll have fun debating with you :D


Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe's computer skills do seem abnormally advanced to us viewers, but in terms of the Smallville universe it must be assumed that those skills aren't abnormal.

Everyone always goes to Chloe without a second thought with their information problems (even Jonathan went to her once), so it does seem to be an abnormal thing, even in Smallville.


As far as Lex is concerned, he still gets injured routinely and the only way we know that his immune system is enhanced is because Chloe mentioned it in Extinction. Lana would have no reason to suspect anything about Lex since it's possible for people to survive near death experiences (Lana has had several herself).

He caught malaria while on desert island, and recovered quickly without medical assistance, not to mention being poisoned in Season 4. Though Lana's never mentioned it, it's likely that he would've told at some point long before now ("How are you Lex?" "I spent the summer recovering from something that would kill 99.99% of the population").


Clark's feats are much more noticeable (i.e., disappearing in the blink of an eye

He hasn't done that too often while Lana's around (he's usually running towards her), but that could easily be attributed to her not paying enough attention while her back is turned (which has happened to her with others. eg the waitress stealing in Stray).


always showing up to save the day

Lana attracts a lot of danger, and doesn't think anything of it. Why should she think anything of it that Clark seems to be around danger a lot as well?


protecting Lana during the tornado

Clark told he that he found her after in the field. Considering she was in a very traumatic and confusing situation, it would've been likely that she saw things that weren't there.


rising from the dead and disappearing from the hospital, etc.)

Okay, I'll give you that. I found it stupid that the one time she should've been suspicious, she turns a blind eye to it.


On top of that, it's fairly obvious when he's hiding something because it's either written on his face or he lacks an explanation for his behavior.

A weird look on his face is hardly reason to believe he's lying. If I was put on the spot to try and give an explanation as to why people turn into wolves, football coaches are pyrokinetic, the elderly can turn young, etc, I'd probably look a little strange, giving the impression of lying.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by jwoodie
I totally disagree with this perspective. Yes, all of those things are true. Yes, it is also true that she does know that Clark has been there to save her many, many times. All true. So what does she do to show her gratitude? She falls in love with him and wants to be with him. What else is she supposed to do to show her gratitude? Seriously, what else should she do? Virtually all of those episodes has ended with a loft scene of some sort with her acknowledging what he's done for her.

And what does Clark do in return? Yes, he's there for her and all of his friends when they need him most. We know that. But what else does he bring to his relationship with Lana? His devotion to her, yes, but beyond that it is nothing but lies, shades-of-gray, conversation deflections, etc. Lana clearly knows he's different and it kills her that he can't share his secrets with her, and he's never given her any good reason as to WHY he's got to keep these secrets from her, as to WHY he has to lie to her all the time. She's just supposed to accept it on faith that he's got his reasons, even after all they've been through and after all this time.

So what does Lana go and do? She devotes herself to Clark, despite all of the lies and deceptions. Yes, the curiosity has been killing her this season and it's been a frequent topic of discussion, but a good portion of that had to do with the space ship, which was just another whole set of lies related to Clark. But in the end, in Hypnotic, Clark shut her down - again - and she had clearly decided that she loved him and was willing to ride it out, as long as took. She told him as much. And what does he do? He breaks her heart in the most devastating way possible. Completely catches her off-guard. You could tell from her reactions when she asked him to tell her he didn't love her that, when he turned to her, she was simply shocked. And when he actually said it, she was just floored.

So, given all of that, she's *ingrateful*? Ingrateful for all of the times in the past that he's saved her? Are you serious? I'm not even a big supporter of this Lex/Lana relationship, but clearly both of them have NO ONE else in either of their lives that they can turn to, so they've turned to each other. Lex does a pretty damn heroic thing, picking up a gun and defending the both of them, then shielding her with his body when he's going to shoot at them, and she simply acknowledges that he's saved her life, and THAT makes her ingrateful to Clark? Are you serious? Wait, did I already ask that? I think I did...

I mean, c'mon people. One person said this line was melodramatic and over the top. I'll grant that without question. But clearly they are trying to tie the two of them together in a very intimate way in a very short period of time. Nothing like a little near-death experience, and little high-intrigue or whatever to bring two people - who have NO ONE in the world to turn to but each other - together. I get that, even if I don't really like the relationship overall. But what I don't get is how anything - *anything* - Lana does at this point can be construed as *ingrateful* to Clark after the hell he has put her through. As far as I'm concerned, she gets a total free pass when it comes to Clark right up to the point that she is actively plotting with Lex to take Clark down. Up to that point, Clark was the one that completely devastated her after putting her through a year from hell, and she truly does owe him nothing.

All of those times when he's been there for her, the majority of which she doesn't even KNOW about? How many times can he step ALL OVER her before that score is settled?

Ok, sorry for the rant.

I don't think the people calling her ungrateful are referring to her saying that Lex saved her. I think it's the line she said about her not owing Clark anything. The way the show is written it's duboius, but she should absolutely have to be thankful of what he did at least in Mortal (if not all those other times) since she should be aware that Lex let out those freaks just to see if Clark had powers. By forgetting about this or passing it off as nothing, she insulted an action that saved the lives of everyone trapped in the Kent house in Mortal (including hers).

As far as what happened in the hospital, I don't buy the argument that says that Lex risking himself for her is worth more than Clark doing the same since Clark has powers. This is because from LANA's STANDPOINT, Clark is no more invulnerable than Lex. Yes, at times she thought he was, but then things happened that convinced her otherwise. She knows that there is something special about Clark (i.e. the secret) but she knows that he can be hurt/killed. How do I know this....because she said so in Hidden just before Clark flatlined ("I always knew that this day would come..."). All this shows that in Lana's POV, both Lex and Clark are on an even playing field as far as being able to get hurt goes. Now taking this into account, why does she question Clark all the time, but not ask Lex why there is not a drop of blood on him when Graham pulled the trigger? The bullet was not in him and nowhere to be seen. When Clark walked into bullets in Extinct, he first words were "Clark how did you?". She should have questions about Lex after he survived a plane crash during his honeymoon, getting shot twice (Lexmas & Lockdown), and the poisoning that Lionel did to him that I'm sure was mentioned in that magazine with his face on the cover that she saw in Paris (Crusade).

Jonathan asked Lex about his researching the Kents about the Porsche accident in an earlier season and Lex said that day was a miracle. He asked JK if he wondered why those things happen, and JK said he just accepts that they do. Both Lex & Lana can not accept miracles at face value like this. Since S2, Lana has had a big problem looking a gift horse (Clark's heroics) in the mouth. For over 90% of the times she was aware being saved starting S2, Clark was always put on the defensive as a result of what he did.

I don't think Lana has nobody except for Lex to turn to. I guess she forgot when she said "Believe me there's is nothing unusual about Clark. Except for his ability to see the good in people who don't deserve it". She has Nell, Chloe, Lois, and hopefully some friends at Met U.

She should never had blurted out that she owes him nothing. If she owed Lex based on the note written on the newspaper from Arrival, then she owes Clark 100 times over. If she wanted to continue seeing Lex and felt that she didn't have to justify herself, then she should not have gone to tell Clark. How many times does someone who was involved with a bad breakup go to their ex and tell them that they're seeing someone. Who cares? If Clark broke up, why the hell does she need his approval. If she wants to be stupid and be with someone who almost got her killed (and would have if Clark didn't stop that bus), then let her get what she deserves. This is why I think this whole deal with Lex was mainly to hurt Clark, not because she loved him. But that love may come now as a result of her falling for Lex's schemes.

[Watching Smallville]

Nice post, Xray. You said it much better than I could have.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I am really surprised by this point of view. It's as if all that matters is the romance. I don't see life that way. If you have no life at all, then there is no romance.

If Lana was unhappy w/ Clark's lies, why didn't she break up with him long ago. That's what women do when the men they are dating behave in ways they can't handle. She complains and complains, and hangs on and hangs on until Clark breaks it off -- as Clana fans would argue -- for her own good.


I wouldn't say that all the matter is the romance between them. In fact I wouldn't even say that that is the most important thing between them, given all of their history. I mean, they spent the first 4 full years in a state of suspended non-romance, so that's a fairly recent development.

But they have a long history together and there are two very strong factors, from Lana's perspective. (Yes, you heard that right, this is me channelling Lana Lang). First, any way you look at it, however much/little she knows about how different he really is, Clark is an extraordinary young man. Even if she knows nothing about his powers, Clark is intensely loyal to a fault, would do anything for his friends and family and is *constantly* putting himself in harms' way when the situation demands it, without a second's hesitation whenever someone he cares about is in danger. So, I guess you could say that Clark, as a *potential* love/relationship/strong-friend interest in her life has a LOT of upside. The second factor is the fact that, since the Pilot, Clark has been intensely in love with her. Period. And there's never really been any time between them when she didn't know that was true. So here's this truly amazing guy, that's totally and completely head-over-heels in love with her.

And yet, even with all of that, Lana was always hesitant about having a relationship with him because of the lies. I've said before that I think that is to her credit, since she wasn't letting herself be led by her emotions. But this season, she gave in to that hesitation and gave herself completely over to their relationship, thinking the whole time that their new closeness would in all likelihood lead to him finally sharing himself completely with her. Didn't happen, and she still has no idea why. Cue all of the stuff I said previously about her STILL devoting herself to him and then getting stomped on in the most brutal of ways.



You just don't forget the fact that someone saves your life. You just don't.

If Lana wants to move on, then move on gracefully. And remember that Clark had your back for years of your life.

I don't dispute that at all. But my question was this: What ELSE is she supposed to do to show her gratitude or acknowledgement of all of Clark's acts of heroism? Because up to this point, I'm struggling to see where she's being ungrateful or disloyal or betraying him in any way. Ok, you can say that being with Lex is by default a betrayal of Clark, but given her utter ignorance of Lex's nefarious activities (my biggest problem with their relationship by far) I'm not sure she would even see it that way. And besides, cue my point about Lex being the only one in her life she can turn to, and the fact that Lex is brilliantly manipulating the whole situation by feeding her his brand of the truth right when she's needing that more than anything.

So I really don't get this at all. Imagine the howls of outrage if she had stood up and said, "You saved my life... like Clark has done a zillion times."

I'll say it again, until she starts actively plotting against Clark, she's pretty much got free reign with regards to Clark and Clark has no one to blame but himself for pushing her right into the arms of Lex.

Now, with the bit of forshadowing from Martha about Lana doing something they'll all regret.... If she ever does jump over that line with both feet, she won't get my sympathies when things go awry. Actually, I've already said that I think she's going into this relationship with Lex out of weakness (that's obvious) but is doing so willingly. And it's the wrong choice. And in the SV universe, people who willingly make the wrong choices usually face consequences, that's one of the things I love about the show is it's moral center. So I hope that when it all hits the fan there are consequences for the bad choices she's making by teaming up with Lex. Because once she's gone down that road, she won't be able to blame Clark for the choices she's likely to make, even if it was Clark that packed her bags and sent her off down that road to begin with.

That's why I've found myself liking this story line more than I thought I would - the aftermath of their relationship is going to be killer, so seeing this part of the journey is just part of the anticipation of that.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I am really surprised by this point of view. It's as if all that matters is the romance. I don't see life that way. If you have no life at all, then there is no romance.

If Lana was unhappy w/ Clark's lies, why didn't she break up with him long ago. That's what women do when the men they are dating behave in ways they can't handle. She complains and complains, and hangs on and hangs on until Clark breaks it off -- as Clana fans would argue -- for her own good.

You just don't forget the fact that someone saves your life. You just don't.

If Lana wants to move on, then move on gracefully. And remember that Clark had your back for years of your life.

Very well said. If Clark was putting Lana through such hell, why did she stick with him? She seemingly broke it off with him in Reckoning when she said to Lex "Clark and I had our last fight".

She should realize that giving Clark the 3rd degree after all those times made him lie or avoid the truth, that she is making him uncomfortable, and if she really cared for him, she shouldn't be doing this. Maybe, just maybe he would have come clean. He eventually did, but because she continued running to Lex, she screwed herself over when Clark went back to the past and saw that she will always be in trouble as long as she hangs out with Lex.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by xrayvision
[B]I don't think the people calling her ungrateful are referring to her saying that Lex saved her. I think it's the line she said about her not owing Clark anything.

I didn't like that line any more than you did. But I think with what he's put her through, this line came out of her bitterness which is still very fresh. And even though she said it, she still took Lex's advice and did decide that she owed Clark the truth, even if it was simply to avoid doing to Clark what he's always done to her.


I don't think Lana has nobody except for Lex to turn to. I guess she forgot when she said "Believe me there's is nothing unusual about Clark. Except for his ability to see the good in people who don't deserve it". She has Nell, Chloe, Lois, and hopefully some friends at Met U.

Nell? Lois? C'mon, even Chloe? She's been totally disconnected from all of them for a long time. She'd probably call Chloe a friend, even a good friend, but Chloe's close relationship with Clark would make turning to her during this time very awkward.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by jwoodie
I don't dispute that at all. But my question was this: What ELSE is she supposed to do to show her gratitude or acknowledgement of all of Clark's acts of heroism? Because up to this point, I'm struggling to see where she's being ungrateful or disloyal or betraying him in any way. Ok, you can say that being with Lex is by default a betrayal of Clark, but given her utter ignorance of Lex's nefarious activities (my biggest problem with their relationship by far) I'm not sure she would even see it that way. And besides, cue my point about Lex being the only one in her life she can turn to, and the fact that Lex is brilliantly manipulating the whole situation by feeding her his brand of the truth right when she's needing that more than anything.

I think this entire thread would have been avoided had she just not said that she owes him nothing. I think people are coupling that line with thanking Lex. But she has to realize that she is betraying Clark by hooking up with his former best friend. There is no doubting that. This has to be taken as a vengeful act to get back at Clark. But with Lex reeling her in, she will probably go past her initial purpose to hurt Clark and actually love Lex since he can spin things without any problem. The thing I don't get is that she knows Lex has lied to her in the past and is very hard to detect when lying. So this is even worse than Clark (his lies are all about covering up who he really is). She can at least detect when he lies.


Originally posted by jwoodie
That's why I've found myself liking this story line more than I thought I would - the aftermath of their relationship is going to be killer, so seeing this part of the journey is just part of the anticipation of that.

I totally agree with you. This is the main reason I am looking forward to Lexana. When all is said and done, there will be major changes in Clark as he views Lana, and in Lana and how she acts. I think she will admit that she got involved with Lex to get back at him. I think this will be the reason behind why Lana is the girl he left behind. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else either dies, is put in serious danger, or gets seriously injured (like Chloe, Martha, Lois, or even Lionel). It would make for some great scenes if Chloe gets hospitalized as a result of Lana's actions for trying to protect her.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by jwoodie
So I really don't get this at all. Imagine the howls of outrage if she had stood up and said, "You saved my life... like Clark has done a zillion times."
I don't think anyone is expecting that. :lol: It would be ridiculous.

But the "I don't owe you anything," the "I'm going to be honest with you, even though you weren't honest with me," it's as if Clark hadn't ever looked out for her in that long list of episodes. The sentiment you wrote -- "like clark has done a zillion times" -- might be something she should keep in mind.

Originally posted by xrayvision
I totally agree with you. This is the main reason I am looking forward to Lexana. When all is said and done, there will be major changes in Clark as he views Lana, and in Lana and how she acts. I think she will admit that she got involved with Lex to get back at him. I think this will be the reason behind why Lana is the girl he left behind.
I think this is one thing we can find agreement on. :)

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I don't think anyone is expecting that. :lol: It would be ridiculous.

But the "I don't owe you anything," the "I'm going to be honest with you, even though you weren't honest with me," it's as if Clark hadn't ever looked out for her in that long list of episodes. The sentiment you wrote -- "like clark has done a zillion times" -- might be something she should keep in mind.

Ok, fair enough. I think there will be a time when she will be reminded of this, and probably in a dramatic way, but clearly her bitterness is coloring everything related to Clark right now. But that shouldn't be surprising.

[Watching Smallville]

Nice avatar! ;)

[Theshadow129x]

lets just put it like this. lex is okay with laying the pipe down whereas clark didnt want to :)

lana likes pipe she goes everywhere to get it. all over kansas:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Nice avatar! ;)

I hope you mean mine :) Gotta start somewhere...

[AnimeJoe]

But she has to realize that she is betraying Clark by hooking up with his former best friend.

It's not betrayal at all. They're Over.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
It's not betrayal at all. They're Over.

Well, as a friend, it sure is betrayal. She wouldn't be dating Lex while dating him at the same time now, would she? That would be 2-timing (even a worse betrayal). If she doesn't consider Clark a friend, then why the hell go to the loft and tell him about Lex & her.

So what I'm saying is that she still considers Clark a friend (by telling him about Lexana) and is going out with his former best friend. That is betraying a friend if you ask me (just like if Clark would be going out with a former best friend of Lana's).

[Theshadow129x]

i think its a low blow for lex to tell clark he wants to build their friendship then date his ex. but also i think lex playedf his cards right with lana. i mean when lex and clark stopped being friends lex told lana he believed her bout the aliens when no one else did clark told her to leave it in the past n lex told her not to. he told her all the things she wanted to here but also he did something in front of her eyes n thats risk his life for her. she loved the fact someone would put her first and shares stuff with her. but it is contrived she knows clark has saved her countless times, butshe acted like she had never been saved before in this episode. it was just to push her deeper in his arms n add more drama to the show that is dawson's creek with super powers.

[sv addict22]

it took until the end of season 2(about 2 years) for clark to finally get with lana and 2 more years after that for them to get back together. then over a course of about 5 or 6 episodes lana and lex are making out. i used to actually like lana, but she said she "loved him so much" and yet she can move on to lex remarkably fast

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
A weird look on his face is hardly reason to believe he's lying. If I was put on the spot to try and give an explanation as to why people turn into wolves, football coaches are pyrokinetic, the elderly can turn young, etc, I'd probably look a little strange, giving the impression of lying.
But that weird look isn't just when he's trying to explain something strange. In Reckoning, for example, he was clearly changing plans on the spot and tried to downplay the importance of what he wanted to tell Lana. In Extinction, after Lana tells him that she believed Van's claim that Clark was bulletproof he says: "I wish it were that simple...but I wasn't infected by the meteors." He goes on to state that he might not have a choice but to live life alone.

I suppose Lana could overlook those statements, but it's not at all unreasonable to think that Clark is hiding something. Heck, he pretty much admitted it in Exodus when he told Lana that she wouldn't like what she saw if he let her get close.

Lana usually tends to be suspiscious of potential boyfriends and I figure that's why she overlooks Chloe's computer skills (assuming they're actually abnormal). She's had honesty issues with Whitney, Clark, Adam, and Jason. The exception would be Lex, and her lack of suspiscion makes little sense to me.

[AnimeJoe]

Well, as a friend, it sure is betrayal. She wouldn't be dating Lex while dating him at the same time now, would she? That would be 2-timing (even a worse betrayal). If she doesn't consider Clark a friend, then why the hell go to the loft and tell him about Lex & her.

So what I'm saying is that she still considers Clark a friend (by telling him about Lexana) and is going out with his former best friend. That is betraying a friend if you ask me (just like if Clark would be going out with a former best friend of Lana's).


It's all about perspective I guess cause I just don't see it as betrayal at all. If I were to break up with someone, I'm not going to hold it against them or any of my friends if they decide to date each other. I've never believed in *unspoken* rules. They're consenting adults and they're both free then, so be it. I sure as heck wouldn't want them feeling guilty or uncomfortable. I'd just hope that their relationship has much better luck than ours did.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Lana is on the rebound and anything Lex does is amplified in her eyes.

I hope Clark moves on ASAP.

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
It's all about perspective I guess cause I just don't see it as betrayal at all. If I were to break up with someone, I'm not going to hold it against them or any of my friends if they decide to date each other. I've never believed in *unspoken* rules. They're consenting adults and they're both free then, so be it. I sure as heck wouldn't want them feeling guilty or uncomfortable. I'd just hope that their relationship has much better luck than ours did.
I tend to agree. However, I would probably avoid dating a friend's ex since it could make things awkward. It's a double standard, but a reasonable one, I think.

[BadToad]

Actually, I'll cite a very recent example that makes Lana out to be ungrateful, while playing up her instant luv with Lex. Void. Lex tries to help her, ends up getting injected and dies (Chloe saves him). We know Lana apologizes to him repeatedly. Clark comes to her rescue, in the nick of time to stop her from getting injected in the neck, and ends up taking a needle to the chest (which absolutely WAS harmful to him, and might've killed him). Luckily, and to Clark's amazement, he comes out of it (Lana apparently did not run for help, though she was lucky enough that the bad guy landed on a bone saw). Afterward, he comes over to check on Lana. Lana does not 1. say thank you for helping her, or 2. apologize for getting him nearly killed.

That, IMO, is one ungrateful wench. And bad break-up or not, I see no justification for it.

I don't really care that Lana thanks Lex for coming to her rescue. I find her overly dramatic "My Hero" irritating (but so is all of Lexana, IMO, so its par for the course). And I think she owes Clark a modicum of respect for the amount of times he's come to her rescue.

[Offworlder 1]

Badtoad there are sensible people who see the truth in all this like you and I do. The CLANA and Lana supporters are just in deniale that Lana is not a good or trustworthy person Clark could confide in. Personally if I was Clark I would have dropped her long ago or after the break up not be there to save her or Lex cause after a betrayal like that all protection and saving is over. She doesn't deserve to be saved if she does things like this but Clarks: a good person / kind of stupid.

I could accept Lana in the comics and a bit S1-3 but after she leaves to Paris to get away from Clark and he still tries to get her even with a BF is just pathetic. I think if Pete were there or some close male friend it would have helped him a lot.

CLOIS is a cold hard fact written in stone and so is their marrige

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
But that weird look isn't just when he's trying to explain something strange. In Reckoning, for example, he was clearly changing plans on the spot and tried to downplay the importance of what he wanted to tell Lana. In Extinction, after Lana tells him that she believed Van's claim that Clark was bulletproof he says: "I wish it were that simple...but I wasn't infected by the meteors." He goes on to state that he might not have a choice but to live life alone.

Kryptonian Snake, I'd like to PM or email you but you aren't available in your profile. Are you able to PM me instead?

[AnimeJoe]

Badtoad there are sensible people who see the truth in all this like you and I do. The CLANA and Lana supporters are just in deniale that Lana is not a good or trustworthy person Clark could confide in.


LOLOL!! That's pretty funny. You're right and the rest of us are all wrong. Ok, if you say so ;) :p

[tjpw fanatic]

Lana is an attention getting b*@***! she should not trust lex, and i don't know what she's doing! If i could I'd give her money to go buy some brains.

Sorry Lana lovers thats just how i feel.

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
But that weird look isn't just when he's trying to explain something strange. In Reckoning, for example, he was clearly changing plans on the spot and tried to downplay the importance of what he wanted to tell Lana.

It was clear to us that he was changing plans, given that we'd seen what he wanted to do. But as far as Lana's concerned, he could've been planning a simple day out, asking her to wrap up since it was actually cold out.


In Extinction, after Lana tells him that she believed Van's claim that Clark was bulletproof he says: "I wish it were that simple...but I wasn't infected by the meteors." He goes on to state that he might not have a choice but to live life alone.

Given that he somehow manages to survive attacks every week and can't give an explanation in the amount of detail she's asking for, being infected by the meteors would be a nice simple reason.
In the context of the previous two episodes, it's no wonder he'd choose to live alone, given both his darker side and danger he attracts (he'd already partially told her in Phoenix, so it's hardly a surprise).


I suppose Lana could overlook those statements, but it's not at all unreasonable to think that Clark is hiding something. Heck, he pretty much admitted it in Exodus when he told Lana that she wouldn't like what she saw if he let her get close.

A typical teenage overdramatic statement (which Lana has made... once or twice :p). From her viewpoint, I saw it in a similar vein as being alcoholic or being violent if she spent a lot of time with him.

[xrayvision]

Plain and simple, Lana is only TRULY grateful when someone saves her and isn't hiding anything. In Lockdown, when Lex truly did risk his life by coming out of that room and throwing Lana in it while getting shot, she was grateful in some way but started complaining that he didn't tell her about the disappearance of the ship. This was while he was dying (luckily he was saved before he died). The bad thing about Lana is her ability to find petty things and bring them up at the worst times. She wants perfection when it's not necessary.

[Watching Smallville]

Good point. She let's her desire for full disclosure override everything else. It's a real obsession, as relentless as Lex's obsession with Clark's secret. She's very manipulative when it comes to honesty, using it as an accusation, a punishment, a reason for getting closer to someone like Lex -- whatever she needs at the time.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Good point. She let's her desire for full disclosure override everything else. It's a real obsession, as relentless as Lex's obsession with Clark's secret. She's very manipulative when it comes to honesty, using it as an accusation, a punishment, a reason for getting closer to someone like Lex -- whatever she needs at the time.

I agree. In a way Lana is about as bad and manipulative as Lex is when it comes to obsessing over Clark's secret.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I agree. In a way Lana is about as bad and manipulative as Lex is when it comes to obsessing over Clark's secret.

I wouldn't go that far. Lana isn't exactly keeping secret rooms on Clark like Lex is. She's also not investigating him or anything. She's investigating the ship, but she has no idea that it relates to Clark. But you're right, Lana does become obssessed with the truth. Now that her and Clark are broken up, the truth about Clark won't be an issue to her anymore. She's only concerned with the truth about the people that she is close with, in this case, the person is Lex.

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
It was clear to us that he was changing plans, given that we'd seen what he wanted to do. But as far as Lana's concerned, he could've been planning a simple day out, asking her to wrap up since it was actually cold out.
The first thing he did when he saw her was hug her like it was the last time he'd ever see her. Lana mentions that Clark said it would be a day she'd never forget, implying that something big was going to happen. Spending the day at the lake doesn't really fall in that category. The only way to assume Clark is telling the truth is by ignoring all of his nonverbal communication.

Given that he somehow manages to survive attacks every week and can't give an explanation in the amount of detail she's asking for, being infected by the meteors would be a nice simple reason.
In the context of the previous two episodes, it's no wonder he'd choose to live alone, given both his darker side and danger he attracts (he'd already partially told her in Phoenix, so it's hardly a surprise).
I see your point and concede.

A typical teenage overdramatic statement (which Lana has made... once or twice :p). From her viewpoint, I saw it in a similar vein as being alcoholic or being violent if she spent a lot of time with him.
Even if Clark's problem were alcoholism or schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, he'd still be hiding a huge part of himself from Lana. I see his secret in the same league as those conditions in that they "bleed" into everyday life, making it difficult to simply ignore that something is wrong. Clark's statement wasn't necessarily evidence that he's a metahuman, but it does support Lana's suspiscion that Clark is hiding things from her. Wasn't your initial point that Lana has no reason to think Clark is being less than honest?

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
I wouldn't go that far. Lana isn't exactly keeping secret rooms on Clark like Lex is. She's also not investigating him or anything. She's investigating the ship, but she has no idea that it relates to Clark. But you're right, Lana does become obssessed with the truth. Now that her and Clark are broken up, the truth about Clark won't be an issue to her anymore. She's only concerned with the truth about the people that she is close with, in this case, the person is Lex.
That's an interesting idea. I was actually thinking just the opposite -- that since they've broken up, Lana would be less protective of Clark in finding out his secret, and more determined because she's not waiting for him to tell her. It'll be interesting to see whether she's going to let it go or not.

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
The first thing he did when he saw her was hug her like it was the last time he'd ever see her. Lana mentions that Clark said it would be a day she'd never forget, implying that something big was going to happen. Spending the day at the lake doesn't really fall in that category. The only way to assume Clark is telling the truth is by ignoring all of his nonverbal communication.

I was going to say that a day out could've been good for the relationship, depending on what Clark had planned (which was thrown away after Lana's typical abrupt exit). I rewatched the scene though, and Clark's obvious lying (much worse than usual) made me want to my fist through the monitor. He deserved the "turn and pout" there.


Even if Clark's problem were alcoholism or schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, he'd still be hiding a huge part of himself from Lana. I see his secret in the same league as those conditions in that they "bleed" into everyday life, making it difficult to simply ignore that something is wrong. Clark's statement wasn't necessarily evidence that he's a metahuman, but it does support Lana's suspiscion that Clark is hiding things from her. Wasn't your initial point that Lana has no reason to think Clark is being less than honest?

Fair point. Guess I learned something from all this: Lana's not 100% at fault. (Maybe just 99% :)).

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
That's an interesting idea. I was actually thinking just the opposite -- that since they've broken up, Lana would be less protective of Clark in finding out his secret, and more determined because she's not waiting for him to tell her. It'll be interesting to see whether she's going to let it go or not.

Yeah, I always viewed Lana as a person who if she is going to get close to someone and share her secrets with them, she expects the same in return. If you go back to season 3, Lana put some distance between herself and Clark after the disasterous end to their little fling at the end of season 2. She didn't care as much about Clark's secret during the third season, she just didn't want to get close to him again and get pulled back into the lies. That's why in Legacy when she talked to Lex, she wasn't sure if Clark was who she wanted after he kissed her earlier in that episode. So she told Clark that he needed to concentrate on his father at that point rather than her. Of course, once season 5 rolled around and she was back together with Clark, she put herself out there once again and Clark lied to her. So she demanded the truth again and that's what led to the breakup. Now I think it's only a matter of time before she realizes that Lex is keeping secrets from her and she'll push him about it as well.

I really think that Lana's weakness is that she does hold back the truth at times to let Clark be the first one to open up. Then later on, she sticks it in his face like admitting that she was researching the meteor shower. Lana's edge, if you will, is "if you're not going to open up to me, I'm not going to open up to you."

[xrayvision]

I think certain events will happen where Lex will find out certain information, and she will get interested. Or perhaps she will find that locked door of his Clark room (like Helen did) and demand why he's keeping locked doors and will want to see what's inside, and when she does, she will either see what Lex is all about, or maybe even become intrigued and continue looking for more clues to find the truth about Clark. I think it will happen in a way where she and not Lex will find out what it is, and then will enter a dangerous situation by hiding it from Lex.

I really hope it happens as a combo of what 2 posts I made in another thread:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2076110#post2076110

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2077332#post2077332

I think either way, Lexana will not be done before the summer break. I say let it go through until episode 8 or 12 of S6. There's a lot of stuff they can do now that they drove most of us crazy with this farfetched love affair, so they better use it for all its potential.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I think certain events will happen where Lex will find out certain information, and she will get interested. Or perhaps she will find that locked door of his Clark room (like Helen did) and demand why he's keeping locked doors and will want to see what's inside, and when she does, she will either see what Lex is all about, or maybe even become intrigued and continue looking for more clues to find the truth about Clark. I think it will happen in a way where she and not Lex will find out what it is, and then will enter a dangerous situation by hiding it from Lex.

I really hope it happens as a combo of what 2 posts I made in another thread:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2076110#post2076110

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2077332#post2077332

I think either way, Lexana will not be done before the summer break. I say let it go through until episode 8 or 12 of S6. There's a lot of stuff they can do now that they drove most of us crazy with this farfetched love affair, so they better use it for all its potential.

That's a very good idea with that secret room, xray. I hope they can get that back in the show. It would show some more continuity. Lex did clean the room out, didn't he? But of course, he probably saved all of the stuff anyway.

[xrayvision]

I don't trust Lex as far as CK can throw him with green-k around. I'm sure he has all that stuff in some other room (maybe in that dungeon where his evil half held him). Though, I really want to see CK vs. Kal. That would be a tremendous highlight of next season (those 2 just meeting at various places on Earth, battling it out over and over again throughout several episodes until the S7 opener, or if there is no S7, the S6 finale).

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I don't trust Lex as far as CK can throw him with green-k around. I'm sure he has all that stuff in some other room (maybe in that dungeon where his evil half held him). Though, I really want to see CK vs. Kal. That would be a tremendous highlight of next season (those 2 just meeting at various places on Earth, battling it out over and over again throughout several episodes until the S7 opener, or if there is no S7, the S6 finale).

We already kind of saw CK vs. Kal. In Crusade, remember that cheesy fight they had in the caves? That was a pretty bad scene though.

[All about Clark]

I want to see Lionel showing Lana the video and stuff from that secret room of Lex's. I'd like to see Lionel pull Lexana apart, even if that means Lex going after Lionel in S6.

[myankskent]

Yeah, this is what Lionel would say.

Lionel: Ms. Lang, I think it's time you found out about a little secret. It's also time you realized just how evil my son is. I tried to fry his brain but that is nothing compared to what he is going to do.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by All about Clark
I want to see Lionel showing Lana the video and stuff from that secret room of Lex's. I'd like to see Lionel pull Lexana apart, even if that means Lex going after Lionel in S6.

I really like this idea. I think this combined with my CK vs. Kal-El plus with Fine putting Lana in a green-k filled room with CK while he heats it up to black-k and his 2 sides split would be a great idea. Lana would know the secret, go back to Lex still not thinking he was a bad guy, and then Lionel would show her the room. Eventually when she does leave Lex, he will find out that his father was the reason, and will be tremendously furious. Lex's reaction would cement Clark's reasons for keeping the secret. I see this as a very logical series of events.

Man, I just wish we could throw these ideas at them so they can use it wholly or bits & pieces. I remember someone here had an idea of Kryptonians arriving (a boy & girl) and wreaking havoc, and low & behold something like this happened in Arrival.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I really like this idea. I think this combined with my CK vs. Kal-El plus with Fine putting Lana in a green-k filled room with CK while he heats it up to black-k and his 2 sides split would be a great idea. Lana would know the secret, go back to Lex still not thinking he was a bad guy, and then Lionel would show her the room. Eventually when she does leave Lex, he will find out that his father was the reason, and will be tremendously furious. Lex's reaction would cement Clark's reasons for keeping the secret. I see this as a very logical series of events.

Man, I just wish we could throw these ideas at them so they can use it wholly or bits & pieces. I remember someone here had an idea of Kryptonians arriving (a boy & girl) and wreaking havoc, and low & behold something like this happened in Arrival.

This is what I want to see in the finale, a scene where you see the disciples of Zod, Brainiac, Lionel, Lex and Clark all standing in the same room. Tell me you wouldn't be intrigued if the WB were ever to release a promo picture matching that description from Vessel.

[xrayvision]

I think it would be awesome, but the disciples of Zod, Brainiac and Lex (perhaps even Lionel if he is evil) would be too much for Clark to handle. But if that's reason enough to make him voluntarily release his Kal-El side (so they both can stop these guys and duke it out later when the threats are gone), then so be it.

Bottom line: I want to see Kal-El, and doing it so he appears as a recurring foe for Clark to fight in S6 would not only be great for action & mythos (where once he beats him, he will gain the rest of his powers), but will also finally explain to Lana that the reason why he acted so differently (when on red-k, etc) was because there is a whole other side to him. It would kill 2 birds with one stone.

It will be such a waste if TPTB never have such an arc.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I think it would be awesome, but the disciples of Zod, Brainiac and Lex (perhaps even Lionel if he is evil) would be too much for Clark to handle. But if that's reason enough to make him voluntarily release his Kal-El side (so they both can stop these guys and duke it out later when the threats are gone), then so be it.

Bottom line: I want to see Kal-El, and doing it so he appears as a recurring foe for Clark to fight in S6 would not only be great for action & mythos (where once he beats him, he will gain the rest of his powers), but will also finally explain to Lana that the reason why he acted so differently (when on red-k, etc) was because there is a whole other side to him. It would kill 2 birds with one stone.

It will be such a waste if TPTB never have such an arc.

I agree, it would certainly help to bring everything together. I'd agree to see that, as long as vessel starts off with the words "Wichita" at the bottom of the screen and then we see Pete come flying through a window as Brainiac is revealed. That could be the teaser to Vessel and a way to make you think if Pete is really dead or just knocked out. We'd never see him again after that.

[euterpe]

Let me start by admitting I have never been a Lana fan. She has always been my least favorite character on the show b/c I’ve always perceived her as weak and needy. However, I don’t fault her for being grateful to Lex in ‘Fade’ nor consider her statements to indicate ingratitude toward Clark.

Firstly, the conflict between Clark and Lana has nothing to do with Lex. Clark has had five years of an on-again-off-again relationship to be honest with Lana when the only relationship she had with Lex was one of business and limited friendship. Clark's decision not to be honest with her was not noble. It was not about protecting Lana. It was about protecting himself and what he wanted. He’s always feared that if she knew the truth Lana would blame him for her parent’ deaths and reject him (see ‘Scare’). So he was more than willing to continue a relationship based on lies just to keep what he wanted. If you recall, he only decided to tell Lana the truth when he was threatened with losing her (i.e. ‘Covenant’, ‘Reckoning’.) Was she suddenly no longer in need of protection?
The idea that a woman should stand by her man no matter what if she loves him is insulting to me as a woman. If the man I loved came back from the dead (especially disappearing from the hospital and reappearing in charred clothing), no matter how grateful I’d be I would still want to know HOW.
Does saving someone’s life entitle you to constantly deceive them? Just b/c someone saves your life does not mean that you have to be their unquestioning paramour for the rest of your life.

As for getting into a more intimate relationship with Lex…Lana has always been a very dependent person. To go all psychology- probably due to the lack of a father figure in her life. And let’s face it, other than Clark, Lex is the only other male in her life right now. So, who else is she going to turn to?

“I guess Lana forgot about how Lex went physco in the season finale to look for the stone, going through her stuff and putting Chloe's life in danger.” --- aqua

This seems to be a common complaint. However, if Lana is naïve and wrong for forgiving and/or forgetting Lex’s questionable behavior at the end of season 4, then how can we possibly explain her relationship with Clark in season 5? Has she conveniently forgotten:
1) Clark making out with Jesse and the bar fight in ‘Red”
2) making out with Chloe in ‘Rush’
3) his copious reprehensible behavior in ‘Exile’ (for 3 months!)
4) his spur of the moment marriage to Alicia in ‘Pariah’

In all of those instances he was under the influence of redK (by choice in ‘Exile’) but Lana never knew about that. What was his excuse…I was having a bad day (or a few bad months!) or the ever stale “I was trying to protect you.” If she can overlook all that, it shouldn’t take much to overlook Lex in ONE instance getting a little grabby for an alien stone that everyone had been after for the whole 4th season (herself included).

Secondly, while Lana’s statement could be considered a bit overkill, it’s not like she swooned into Lex’s arms crying in a terribly fake southern accent “My hero!” As has been mentioned before, if Clark had not been present Lex would indeed have saved Lana’s life. Just b/c Clark appeared in time to stop the bullet, this in no way diminishes Lex’s intent. Remember, Lex is unaware of Clark’s involvement as well. The assassin was mortally wounded. For all they know, he simply missed them.

Lastly…just a few thoughts:

“I gave you an actual quote from Hidden when she handed Lex Clark's medical files, and that quote indicates she has had many discussions about Clark, not about the ship. And at that time, she didn't know Lex had the ship. Maybe you should rewatch it since your argument doesn't hold water. If you are not going to use facts than there's no point in talking with you. Bye” ---All about Clark

-- That’s insinuation, not fact. The statement “You’ve had your doubts” does not imply many discussions. We saw in seasons 3 where Lana did talk with Lex about her relationship with Clark, but always from the standpoint that she couldn’t trust him b/c he wasn’t being honest. And in ‘Hidden’ she was actually defending Clark.

“Well she admitted that she wasn't studying the first meteor shower for a class. Initially, she lied to him.” --- myankskent

-- We don’t know that’s a lie. Have you seen her class schedule? She did say she transferred to MetU from KA&M b/c the latter did not have the courses (astronomy/meteorology) she was interested in taking. It’s possible she got the images from Lex, though unlikely. In fact she was already studying the meteors before Lex confided in her and they began working together (see ‘Splinter’.) However, it wouldn’t take a brain surgeon to speculate that if a UFO crashed with the second meteor shower, one could just as easily have arrived with the first.

“If she doesn't consider Clark a friend, then why the hell go to the loft and tell him about Lex & her.” ---xrayvision.

--- She wasn’t exactly eager to tell Clark. It was actually Lex that encouraged her to be honest with Clark (as ironic as that is).

“However, I would probably avoid dating a friend's ex since it could make things awkward. It's a double standard, but a reasonable one, I think.” --- Kryptonian Snake

--- Except they aren’t really friends any more as Clark keeps pointing out.

“She's very manipulative when it comes to honesty, using it as an accusation, a punishment…” --- Watching Smallville

--- The same could be said of Clark

Basically, Clark needs to get over it. He broke up with her. Lana has a right to date whomever she wishes and deal with the consequences of her decision. Her comments are just par for the course as far as the character is concerned, but not overly unjustified. Sorry for the insane length of this post. I just couldn’t resist putting in my two cents (for what it’s worth).

[Lanaluvr100]

I agree with everything you said but Why are we making a big issue about it? Lex did save Lana in the hopsital room from the bullet that Graham shot and he told her to get behind him so she wouldn't get hurt. If Chloe did not tell Clark that Lex and Lana were in danger, he wouldn't have came there and Lex would probably end up fying risking his life for Lana and she would have never forgive herself. Lana did not see clark but Clark took a bullet for Lex not her and Lex put his whole body over Lana's to protect her and he would have saved her if clark did not show up but he did and look where that ended up. Clark should get over the fact that Lex and Lana are officially together because it was his choice to let her go and he didn't have to break up with her but he did and now he is going to have to deal with the consequences whether he like's it or not. Lex was willing to sacrifice his life for Lana and die for her but thanks to clark he didn't.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by euterpe
Firstly, the conflict between Clark and Lana has nothing to do with Lex. Clark has had five years of an on-again-off-again relationship to be honest with Lana when the only relationship she had with Lex was one of business and limited friendship. Clark's decision not to be honest with her was not noble. It was not about protecting Lana. It was about protecting himself and what he wanted. He’s always feared that if she knew the truth Lana would blame him for her parent’ deaths and reject him (see ‘Scare’). So he was more than willing to continue a relationship based on lies just to keep what he wanted. If you recall, he only decided to tell Lana the truth when he was threatened with losing her (i.e. ‘Covenant’, ‘Reckoning’.) Was she suddenly no longer in need of protection?

Clark was about to tell her in Forsaken, not Covenant, and what stopped him was what happened to Pete with agent Loder beating him to a pulp for the secret (was about to kill him had Lex not stopped him). He did this 100% for protection reasons, since he didn't want any other friends of his to go through what Pete did. In Reckoning, he did feel like he was losing her, but to Lex. He knows what Lex is all about, and doesn't want her to end up with him. He knows what Lex's obsession wound up doing to Lex and how their friendship ended up. He thought that it was time and she was ready, but by still being involved with Lex, he saw the error of his ways and did things differently the 2nd time around.


Originally posted by euterpe
The idea that a woman should stand by her man no matter what if she loves him is insulting to me as a woman. If the man I loved came back from the dead (especially disappearing from the hospital and reappearing in charred clothing), no matter how grateful I’d be I would still want to know HOW.
Does saving someone’s life entitle you to constantly deceive them? Just b/c someone saves your life does not mean that you have to be their unquestioning paramour for the rest of your life.

I agree that it doesn't allow you to deceive them. I don't think she should stand by him no matter what. She had a choice to end the relationship knowing that he was keeping secrets. If it was a problem to her, she would have done it and S5 Clana would have never happened. If his return from the dead bothered her, she could have left. Clark was obviously deeply disturbed by the fact that someone would have to take his place as Jor-El told him. JK said it best when he said he doesn't question miracles but is just glad they happen. She knew Clark is very uncomfortable talking about the secrets at this point. I think the best thing she could have done is tell him that he wants her to stay, he would have to open up when he feels like he's ready (on his own time, since he doesn't really know entirely what's going on with Jor-El after his distrust for him).


Originally posted by euterpe
As for getting into a more intimate relationship with Lex…Lana has always been a very dependent person. To go all psychology- probably due to the lack of a father figure in her life. And let’s face it, other than Clark, Lex is the only other male in her life right now. So, who else is she going to turn to?


She has been going through in a very vicious circle with men. Whenever she breaks up with Clark or is on the rebound, she always get burned. She should be smarter by now and do her homework before rushing into things. And yes, she definitely rushed into matters with Lex.


Originally posted by euterpe
“I guess Lana forgot about how Lex went physco in the season finale to look for the stone, going through her stuff and putting Chloe's life in danger.” --- aqua

This seems to be a common complaint. However, if Lana is naïve and wrong for forgiving and/or forgetting Lex’s questionable behavior at the end of season 4, then how can we possibly explain her relationship with Clark in season 5? Has she conveniently forgotten:
1) Clark making out with Jesse and the bar fight in ‘Red”
2) making out with Chloe in ‘Rush’
3) his copious reprehensible behavior in ‘Exile’ (for 3 months!)
4) his spur of the moment marriage to Alicia in ‘Pariah’

In all of those instances he was under the influence of redK (by choice in ‘Exile’) but Lana never knew about that. What was his excuse…I was having a bad day (or a few bad months!) or the ever stale “I was trying to protect you.” If she can overlook all that, it shouldn’t take much to overlook Lex in ONE instance getting a little grabby for an alien stone that everyone had been after for the whole 4th season (herself included).

Very easily...because Clark wasn't obsessing for stuff like that when a major cataclysmic event like the meteor shower was about to happen and risk lives for it. Yes, Clark's behavior was pretty bad, but it didn't put Lana in mortal danger. And Clark never tried to bribe her or leave her a note telling her that she owed him.


Originally posted by euterpe
Secondly, while Lana’s statement could be considered a bit overkill, it’s not like she swooned into Lex’s arms crying in a terribly fake southern accent “My hero!” As has been mentioned before, if Clark had not been present Lex would indeed have saved Lana’s life. Just b/c Clark appeared in time to stop the bullet, this in no way diminishes Lex’s intent. Remember, Lex is unaware of Clark’s involvement as well. The assassin was mortally wounded. For all they know, he simply missed them.

I can understand your point here. My main gripe here is how she always questions strange events like this. I'm sure after the shot, they would have turned around and looked to see where the bullet struck since both of them like to find out what stopped them from meeting certain doom. When they would look for a bullet and not find one, why wouldn't Lana start questioning Lex like she did to Clark. Lex has survived many, many near death experiences, and it has to be questionable to her.


Originally posted by euterpe
Lastly…just a few thoughts:

“I gave you an actual quote from Hidden when she handed Lex Clark's medical files, and that quote indicates she has had many discussions about Clark, not about the ship. And at that time, she didn't know Lex had the ship. Maybe you should rewatch it since your argument doesn't hold water. If you are not going to use facts than there's no point in talking with you. Bye” ---All about Clark

-- That’s insinuation, not fact. The statement “You’ve had your doubts” does not imply many discussions. We saw in seasons 3 where Lana did talk with Lex about her relationship with Clark, but always from the standpoint that she couldn’t trust him b/c he wasn’t being honest. And in ‘Hidden’ she was actually defending Clark.

I guess I'd have to agree with you. I know in season 3 they talked privately about her relationship with Clark, not really about his secrets. But what Lex said does seem to imply that at least on 1 occasion, she expressed it to Lex that there was something strange about Clark. I'll leave it at that.


Originally posted by euterpe
“Well she admitted that she wasn't studying the first meteor shower for a class. Initially, she lied to him.” --- myankskent

-- We don’t know that’s a lie. Have you seen her class schedule? She did say she transferred to MetU from KA&M b/c the latter did not have the courses (astronomy/meteorology) she was interested in taking. It’s possible she got the images from Lex, though unlikely. In fact she was already studying the meteors before Lex confided in her and they began working together (see ‘Splinter’.) However, it wouldn’t take a brain surgeon to speculate that if a UFO crashed with the second meteor shower, one could just as easily have arrived with the first.

There is no college course that studies meteor showers that happened in a town like Smallville, at least not an entry level one, which is what Lana is. Something like that would be studied by a researcher going for their PhD, or a professor/professional astronomer studying it. A meteor shower is a very in-depth topic, and 1st year courses always provide a general overview of the topic, not a specific one.


Originally posted by euterpe
“If she doesn't consider Clark a friend, then why the hell go to the loft and tell him about Lex & her.” ---xrayvision.

--- She wasn’t exactly eager to tell Clark. It was actually Lex that encouraged her to be honest with Clark (as ironic as that is).

I still don't understand how someone who had such a supposedly bad breakup goes to her ex and tells them who their next boyfriend/girlfriend is. I think she should have told Lex that it was none of Clark's business and that she wasn't going. If she went there, then anything Clark says to her is warranted. She doesn't need his approval to date Lex, though if she does, then she's dumb for it.


Originally posted by euterpe
“However, I would probably avoid dating a friend's ex since it could make things awkward. It's a double standard, but a reasonable one, I think.” --- Kryptonian Snake

--- Except they aren’t really friends any more as Clark keeps pointing out.

If that's the case, why the hell was she hanging around him while being Clark's gf? I wouldn't want a gf who's friendly with my enemy.


Originally posted by euterpe
“She's very manipulative when it comes to honesty, using it as an accusation, a punishment…” --- Watching Smallville

--- The same could be said of Clark

I guess so. Clark did get offended with her not saying anything about Met U and again with the ship, but it seemed like he was more offended by the fact that she was working with Lex.


Originally posted by euterpe
Basically, Clark needs to get over it. He broke up with her. Lana has a right to date whomever she wishes and deal with the consequences of her decision. Her comments are just par for the course as far as the character is concerned, but not overly unjustified. Sorry for the insane length of this post. I just couldn’t resist putting in my two cents (for what it’s worth).

Clark has gotten over her. Every time she assumes he's jealous, she winds up getting burned. This happened with Ian (Duplicity) & Seth (Magnetic). Notice that Clark never bothered her about Jason, Whitney, or Adam (back when it appeared they would go out in Delete). There's no question that he knows Lex is bad news and he warned her about that. Her actions from Void made it clear that she is a mess right now, and he knows that she is extremely vulnerable and Lex is a predator who capitalizes on situations like this.

[GooN]

bloody hell, any way u can sum that up?

[xrayvision]

My sum up:

Lex did do a noble thing, but it wound up being another strange occurrence thanks to Clark's save (which neither Lex nor Lana were aware of), and Lana's reaction to a lack of blood or a bullet is inconsistent to her previous reactions when "miracles" happened. This is what I think many would have gripes about.

And Clark doesn't want to hook up with Lana again. She is someone that he cares for a lot (hence changing the past in Reckoning) and invested too much in her safety to want to see her endanger herself with Lex and die for nothing. As usual, Lana fails to realize this when she's on the rebound, and will once again get burned, but this time will be the worst burn of them all.

The thing that gets me is that she was content on how Clark saved her from dying of those drugs in Void and how they left on respectable terms then, but now all that's thrown away.

My suggestion is to go watch the ending of Velocity when Adam shows his true colors and look at Lana's face. Remember that face, and compare it to how much worse the horror will be when she finds out what Lex truly is.

[mttmtlnd]

Eleven pages of this banter?

Very simple solution to this...When Clark save's someone, it usually involves a situation with many questions (i.e. how did you get from the talon to the middle of nowhere in x seconds), wherease Lex simply shielded Lana from gunfire.

Conclusion...Lex's honest (lol), Clark is not.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by mttmtlnd
Eleven pages of this banter?

What you see as banter, I see as a thorough deconstruction of events. :)

But I agree with your conclusion, either way.

[photogirl]

I thought the line was really funny...poor clark, but he doesn't take credit for saving anyone else so why should Lana be any different?

[last man of krypton]

After watching the Superman Returns trailer, I find Lana's "I don't need you to protect me" line even funnier now! The way Lois says "The world doesn't need a saviour. And neither do I" seems just like a Lana line. He turned back time in the original movie to save her, and she now claims to not need him. Smallville's Clark turned back time to save Lana, and lo, she claims to not need him. Poor Clark. Word of warning: anyone with "LL" initials is trouble.

[mttmtlnd]

Originally posted by jwoodie
What you see as banter, I see as a thorough deconstruction of events. :)

But I agree with your conclusion, either way.

Sorry, that may have been out of line...Just read a lot of posts talking about what an idiot Lana was, and thought it was a bit overkill.

[Bugbait]

I think both statements made by Lana in Fade are valid in context of the story, even though the whole Lex-Lana-Clark triangle is rather contrived.

Re: Lana thanking Lex.

It makes sense when you consider that although Lana and Lex are now involced she has (in the past atleast) considered him to be a bit of two faced, self centered snake, ie. End of S4 when he claims to be protecting her but just wants the stone and he makes it very clear just before she gets on the helicopter. In this context her "over-zealous" gratitude and surprise is founded. She is genuinely appreciative and surpised that Lex was willing to die for her (by shielding her). She KNOWS that Clark would do it without hesitation. She knows Clark has a hero complex as she alludes to in Hidden.

I'm sure if Clark was suddenly honest she would behave in a similar fashion as it would be just as out of character for Clark to be completely honest as Lex putting her safety and life before his own.

Re: Lana telling Clark she owes him nothing.

Considering Clark just dumped her shortly after "cheating" on her in Hypnotic then tries to tell her who to date, wouldn't you be a little pissed in her shoes? Sure, it's not a nice thing to say given their history but in the heat of the moment when your Ex is trying stick a boot into your new realtionship, yeah, it's justified I would think.

I think the characters are still behaving within their personalities.

Lex: Selfish, ambitious, twisted love for Lana, and above all, charismatic enough to twist it all in a positive spin for himself.

Lana: Misguided but very loyal to her partners and more so when they appear to be completely honest with her. Honesty is her Achille's Heel of sorts.

Clark: Will always do the right thing regardless of the consequences for him. That's part of what makes Superman great in my eyes. He won't consciously sacrifice anyone for his own personal gain and will always choose what HE believes to be the right path (even when some of us may disagree).

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Bugbait
I think both statements made by Lana in Fade are valid in context of the story, even though the whole Lex-Lana-Clark triangle is rather contrived.

Re: Lana thanking Lex.

It makes sense when you consider that although Lana and Lex are now involced she has (in the past atleast) considered him to be a bit of two faced, self centered snake, ie. End of S4 when he claims to be protecting her but just wants the stone and he makes it very clear just before she gets on the helicopter. In this context her "over-zealous" gratitude and surprise is founded. She is genuinely appreciative and surpised that Lex was willing to die for her (by shielding her). She KNOWS that Clark would do it without hesitation. She knows Clark has a hero complex as she alludes to in Hidden.

I'm sure if Clark was suddenly honest she would behave in a similar fashion as it would be just as out of character for Clark to be completely honest as Lex putting her safety and life before his own.

Re: Lana telling Clark she owes him nothing.

Considering Clark just dumped her shortly after "cheating" on her in Hypnotic then tries to tell her who to date, wouldn't you be a little pissed in her shoes? Sure, it's not a nice thing to say given their history but in the heat of the moment when your Ex is trying stick a boot into your new realtionship, yeah, it's justified I would think.

I think the characters are still behaving within their personalities.

Lex: Selfish, ambitious, twisted love for Lana, and above all, charismatic enough to twist it all in a positive spin for himself.

Lana: Misguided but very loyal to her partners and more so when they appear to be completely honest with her. Honesty is her Achille's Heel of sorts.

Clark: Will always do the right thing regardless of the consequences for him. That's part of what makes Superman great in my eyes. He won't consciously sacrifice anyone for his own personal gain and will always choose what HE believes to be the right path (even when some of us may disagree).

I can't disagree with you on any of the points you made. You said it perfectly.

[GreenRock]

Originally posted by xrayvision
JK said it best when he said he doesn't question miracles but is just glad they happen.

As I recall, Jonathan said that to cover for CK, knowing that the secret being the abnormality of his adopted son, and he knew very well that there was no miracle involved. And there is nothing wrong with questioning miracles, it's the main basis of science (seeking to understand the unknown.)


Originally posted by xrayvision
My sum up:

Lex did do a noble thing, but it wound up being another strange occurrence thanks to Clark's save (which neither Lex nor Lana were aware of), and Lana's reaction to a lack of blood or a bullet is inconsistent to her previous reactions when "miracles" happened. This is what I think many would have gripes about.

I don't see that. There is nothing strange in the assasin missing Lex in his wounded state, and it usualy takes a forensic team to conclude that the fired bullet actually disappeared without hitting anything. A girl in a distressed state would have no way of knowing that.


Originally posted by mttmtlnd
Conclusion...Lex's honest (lol), Clark is not.

The problem is that Superman is supposed to be a "I always tell the truth" type of guy, while Clark almost never misses an episode without saying a lie. Maybe that would be a major motivation for him having two identities in the future, since only a perpetual lier would be comfortable with such direct daily lies. Of course he would still lie to protect his secret Identity, but maybe in an indirect way, and not in the outragous way he does at the moment.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by GreenRock
As I recall, Jonathan said that to cover for CK, knowing that the secret being the abnormality of his adopted son, and he knew very well that there was no miracle involved. And there is nothing wrong with questioning miracles, it's the main basis of science (seeking to understand the unknown.)

I know why he said it, but I doubt he pulled that one out of his ass (meaning this is how I think he actually does live his life). When the ship made it possible for Martha to have a baby in S2, they just accepted the miracle and didn't investigate further. But Lex always questions the good things that happen to him and always looks a gift horse in the mouth. Also, Lex is not a scientist and has no place investigating into things like that. Just as he told Chloe in S3 when she was trying to blackmail Lionel into breaking their deal off, the same applies to him---he is playing a very dangerous game. Every time he tried to investigate, doctors and scientists working for him died and great damage was done. What happened in Scare & Onyx was a direct result.


Originally posted by GreenRock
I don't see that. There is nothing strange in the assasin missing Lex in his wounded state, and it usualy takes a forensic team to conclude that the fired bullet actually disappeared without hitting anything. A girl in a distressed state would have no way of knowing that.

OK, I can understand your point here. But if she was distressed in all those situations where Clark helped her, what's the difference? I know the circumstances where Clark is involved are more unusual or perhaps more impossible to survive, but still, she being in a distressed state should just be happy she got out alive all those times. It all began with the tornados, and the only time she saw Clark was before the car was picked up in the funnel. I don't understand why she automatically assumed it was him that stopped her from dying if she was "unconcious". The thing that I really don't understand with that scene is that when Vortex begins, it shows Clark crawling into the car as it is spinning in the funnel and Lana is awake. It even looks like she sees him, but later just passes it off as a dream.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The thing that I really don't understand with that scene is that when Vortex begins, it shows Clark crawling into the car as it is spinning in the funnel and Lana is awake. It even looks like she sees him, but later just passes it off as a dream.

She can't reconcile what she KNOWS she saw with the reality that she believes must be true. To her, at that point in their relationship, there's no way that Clark could have been in that truck and both of them survived. But even believing that, she can't shake the deep-seated belief that she DID see him there and that he protected her. As time goes on, and especially after their conversation in Vortex where she KNOWS he is lying to her face, she comes to believe that he definitely was there. It comes up too many times in conversations for her to have just let it go at some point. And as more and more evidence piles up that Clark is different somehow, even if she doesn't know how or why, that just reinforces that original belief.

[xrayvision]

So you're saying that the reason she's thinking/calling it a dream was due to her inability of reconciling what she knows she saw with the reality that she believes must be true? If she has seen so many strange things in Smallville since, why doesn't she admit to herself that it wasn't a dream by now and tell Clark that she knows see saw him in the tornado? Is it because of the times he lost his powers? After coming back from death, she should without question know that her eyes weren't fooling her.

I think it would be cool if they had a deja-vu episode where another tornado hits and she finds out this time. Maybe this time they can do something spectacular, like have Clark run/fly circles around it in the opposite direction and use his superbreath to kill it.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by xrayvision
So you're saying that the reason she's thinking/calling it a dream was due to her inability of reconciling what she knows she saw with the reality that she believes must be true? If she has seen so many strange things in Smallville since, why doesn't she admit to herself that it wasn't a dream by now and tell Clark that she knows see saw him in the tornado? Is it because of the times he lost his powers? After coming back from death, she should without question know that her eyes weren't fooling her.

I think it would be cool if they had a deja-vu episode where another tornado hits and she finds out this time. Maybe this time they can do something spectacular, like have Clark run/fly circles around it in the opposite direction and use his superbreath to kill it.

Uh, yes and no. Remember I said, "at that point in their relationship"? At that point, what you said is true. That is what I believe. As time has gone on, I believe she came to believe that her initial reaction - the belief that she saw Clark in the truck - was true. Actually, I think this belief was solidified fairly early on, by mid-S2 say. After that, the evidence that he is different somehow has just layered on top of that now-firm belief.

It's my belief that she *definitely* knows he's different in some very fundamental way. First, how could she not believe that? But second, all of her questioning him just wouldn't happen if she didn't believe this. It kills her that, after all of their history and all they've been through, even after having an intimate relationship, there's still this part of himself that he won't share. Maybe she feels entitled to know his secret, given all of that. Different people with different views of her character would probably arrive at different conclusions on that question, but whatever she feels it deeply saddens her that Clark hasn't opened up to her. It's obvious how much she loved him (pre-hypnotic I'm talking about) and it's also more than obvious how much he loved her, so she could never understand - given that - why he wouldn't open up to her.


why doesn't she admit to herself that it wasn't a dream by now and tell Clark that she knows see saw him in the tornado?

On this point, she's obviously brought up the tornado many times and the whole "you can tell me anything" in many different ways. It's kind of annoying, I think, that she hasn't just taken that direct approach. The "Look, buddy, I know something's up so let's talk about it," approach. She's always let Clark deflect her in those moments. But that's just not a part of the overall SV plan for her to know - yet.

[xrayvision]

Then I'd have to say I can understand why she was sad, but at the same time can't blame Clark to tell her something he wasn't ready to tell. I think all the Jor-El stuff would have been too much for her to handle, though that will change since she's able to cope with more now than she was before.

[GreenRock]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I know why he said it, but I doubt he pulled that one out of his ass (meaning this is how I think he actually does live his life). When the ship made it possible for Martha to have a baby in S2, they just accepted the miracle and didn't investigate further. But Lex always questions the good things that happen to him and always looks a gift horse in the mouth. Also, Lex is not a scientist and has no place investigating into things like that. Just as he told Chloe in S3 when she was trying to blackmail Lionel into breaking their deal off, the same applies to him---he is playing a very dangerous game. Every time he tried to investigate, doctors and scientists working for him died and great damage was done. What happened in Scare & Onyx was a direct result.

One could say that there are two types of people. Those who accept what ever happens without bothering to understand, and those who seek to understand. while I mentioned science, the principle is not limited to science. The second type is not evil as you seem to imply. Journalists are of the second type. Lex is also a man who lives by knowing his environment, and that trait not a fault. A billionaire doesn't get rich by chance (not always any way,) but by knowing how every thing around him works and taking advantage of it. In other words, he takes control of the environment, and not let environment take control of him.

Also, the miracle for Jonathan and Martha having a baby was not the same. They knew it was an alien (they had a big hint,) it was only a miracle in the sense that the "coincidence" was perfect. Their need for having a baby overcame the unusual circumstances of the baby. And they probably knew that they couldn't really investigate his origins anyway.

There are no such thing as miracles, just unexplained things.

[JasonsLea]

I have to laugh. If I don't, I'll be cussing and throwing stuff and I don't think my mama would appreciate that.

[euterpe]

Originally posted by jwoodie
She can't reconcile what she KNOWS she saw with the reality that she believes must be true. To her, at that point in their relationship, there's no way that Clark could have been in that truck and both of them survived. But even believing that, she can't shake the deep-seated belief that she DID see him there and that he protected her. As time goes on, and especially after their conversation in Vortex where she KNOWS he is lying to her face, she comes to believe that he definitely was there. It comes up too many times in conversations for her to have just let it go at some point. And as more and more evidence piles up that Clark is different somehow, even if she doesn't know how or why, that just reinforces that original belief.


The same exact situation applies to Lex. From the first moment they met, Lex has had his clear memory of hitting Clark on that bridge warring with Clark continually and vehemently denying it. Which should he believe…his own memory or Clark? In the same situation, you can sure bet I would investigate the truth. But then I am a biologist by study and career. Of course as GreenRock mentioned, you don’t have to be a scientist to question things around you. The search for truth is perhaps the oldest and most universal quest of all mankind whether it regards biology, theology, chemistry, history, anthropology, etc… No one owns the truth. Everyone is free to pursue it. If you choose not to, that is your prerogative. But you cannot fault those who do. If not for those who question and take risks we would all still be uncivilized nomads.

I do believe in miracles, but just because you cannot explain something does not make it a miracle. Some things may be explained in time, others may never be understood. I agree that Martha conceiving is not a miracle. Clearly the ship was involved. Now if she had no ovaries and the ship never opened and yet she still was able to conceive, THAT would be a miracle!

[Raistlin]

When Lana said that Line I litteraly yanked my hair and slambed my head into the coffee table. The way she said that line drove me insane. And how in the world did she think that Lex saved her?


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