Whats wrong with Lionel in the last scene?

[sv addict22]

Why do you think Lionel is in some sort of pain in the last scene, and what do you think he was writing?

[hassenmorad]

I don't know. That definitely leaves me with a bunch of questions.

[MBCorp]

Most people think that he is being taken over by Jor-El again.

[SuperToad]

remember that dude in Season Two i think it was put the key into the cave wall and became catatonic? i think when a human is downloaded with too much kryptonian info they just start to shut down. it's late, i could be just making stuff up. if someone wants to continue my thought, go ahead lol

[kaykiwi]

He was being controlled by Jor-el, and that was Lionel trying to get out of his control.

[All about Clark]

Actually, I'm going with Lionel's plan to become part of the Kent clan failed, and Clark gave him the boot.

He always acts that way when his plan backfires. The writing is still a mystery. All I can think of, is him formulating his thoughts to create a new plan. He's not done. Nope.

[finchy4]

it totally has to do with lionel getting controlled by a kryptonian being....but by who we'll have to wait and see. Milton Fine's role in the season is not over, Jor-el could be back to help stop brainiac from releasing Zod.

[All about Clark]

I don't agree with you finchy4. Jor-el wouldn't go about things the way Lionel has, this conniving going thru the back door tactics are all Lionel. Lionel got info from the crystal and wants to help, but Lionel never knows the right way to handle stuff that he can't buy or swindle people to get. Because he doesn't know how to operate out of love.

[youandme]

My boyfriend and I were watching it and he said that he thinks JOr-El is using Lionel as the "vessel" and that maybe Jor-El made a deal with him,, spared his life if he kept Clark's secret, and at the end he was possibly writing a message, Kryptonian symbols,,possibly a message from JOr-El to Lionel for what his next mission or assignment was.??? what does everyone think?

[snafu2dj]

It is possible, but I'm not sure. I definately think that Lionel's action in this epi were of his own. His care for Martha was all Lionel. Jorel could care less about Martha. Jorel would not have had any involvement in the games Lionel's character had to go through tonight and probably would have acted different and had more control over the situation if he had.

[vikingjedi]

I'm thinking that when Zod communicates with Lionel it physically hurts his brain. Maybe he was writing down the info Zod was sending him.

[Sayzak]

My first reaction was "Hey, he's having a stroke, and he just realized he hasn't written a will." I know it's unlikely, but it was an amusing thought at the moment.

[Superbubba]

It's another warning. Remember when he was writing on the floor? Yah same thing. It's a warning. Except this time Clark is going to need Lionel to help him.

[LEXander the Great]

The meaning of the headache:
Jor-El's "spirit" leaves Lionel's body. He's out of control.

And Lionel writed the Secret on that paper.
'cause he forget the things he know (the Secret), when Jor-El leave his mind.
And he wanna know the Secret, when he take back the control.

[udtiger]

You recall him popping pills for a headache while he was in the limo in the opening scene? This is either:

1) he is having residual health problems because of his "download" from earlier in the season (or from having been taken over by Jor-El); or,

2) he has been suppressing Jor-El's control through medication.

Either way, in light of what was said at the end, I think Lionel's days on Smallville are numbered (I'll discuss why in the Spoliers section).

[Joelito]

I agree with most of you:

Was Jor-el, making contact to Lionel.
I remember JK had like pact to bring Clark from Metropolis..given him with powers.

I think, Jor-el is given to Lionel the opportunity to become more good as person, helping Jor-el in the race with Zod.

I also think that Jor-el knows about the freedom of Zod.... Remember the message from the stars in Rosetta when Dr. Swan told Clark about it... "protect him from evil", well more or less

my US $ 0.02 :)

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Jor-El's affect through that crystal which transformed Lionel in the Oracle/Vessel.

Like Spock and Dr, McCoy's in dual personality in 1984's Star Trek..."The Search for Spock":D

[TheLegendComesToLife]

The answer is right here:

Question: I'll keep trying to get you to give me some scoop on Chloe on Smallville. — E.G.

Ausiello: We can count on her to crack the code of those symbols that keep flashing in Lionel’s eyes — and the message she discovers is not a good one.


Lionel is getting messages from either Jor-El, Zod, or Milton Fine. My money is definetly on Jor-El. We haven't heard his voice in a long time. He's up to something and I think it's something to help his son. Jor-El is a good guy.

[DestinyFan]

Perhaps we have a parallel here!
Lionel leaves Jonathan Kent right before he dies and is understood as some indirect cause of his death. Even Lex knows about Jonathan's visit. So now, Clark leaves Lionel's office and Lionel is in great pain perhaps leading to his eventual death. Lex will surely have a video of Clark leaving! Maybe Jor-El senses that Lionel is a threat and is using him for a particular purpose before he "disposes" of him!

[All about Clark]

I'm really having a hard time understanding why anyone would think Lionel is Jor-el, the 2 are not alike. And all of Lionel's mannerisms are the same as they've always been. It's one thing to think he might be getting messages and another to think he might not be Lionel anymore.

Remember how Lionel reacted when he found out Lex was working with Loder, and when he found out Lex didn't kill Julian, he showed to be very upset and wacky then like Mercy. It's Lionel and Lionel can't stand losing to anyone.

What I think is funny is that both Luthor's so desperately want to be part of this family, Lex early on and Lionel now.

[superspider02]

i dont know what to think with lionel now. Atless we learned how long he has known about clark. Like some one else said he might be having health problems from the time jor-el took over his body and the the download. But it could be he is fighting for control of his body from jor-el. I also think his days are coming to an end soon.

[tjpw fanatic]

Personally, I think it's Jor-El.

[alexander746]

Jonathon said once having clarks powers was pretty overwhelming for his body. even once the power was gone his heart suffered from it so if Lionel's body is being used with those kind of powers like we saw him use in Hidden its possible his body is breaking down and he's got a heart condition too. Only kryptonian bodies can handle that kind of power for a long period of time i guess.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by DestinyFan
Perhaps we have a parallel here!
Lionel leaves Jonathan Kent right before he dies and is understood as some indirect cause of his death. Even Lex knows about Jonathan's visit. So now, Clark leaves Lionel's office and Lionel is in great pain perhaps leading to his eventual death. Lex will surely have a video of Clark leaving! Maybe Jor-El senses that Lionel is a threat and is using him for a particular purpose before he "disposes" of him!

Interesting....though I don't think Jor-El will kill Lionel if TPTB ever plan to show him in a positive light. A good Jor-El wouldn't kill anyone (like Clark said to Pete regarding Dr. Hamilton at the end of Duplicity).

I hope Lionel doesn't die yet. I want that to happen close to the end of the series (either the last episode, or a few episodes before it). They already lost an important character in Jonathan, and I don't think Lex is capable of being the MB Lionel was yet (which is why we need Lionel).

One other thing I wanted to point out is that Jor-El has seemingly helped those who helped Clark in the past. I think this is what happened in Legacy when the key went through the cave wall and ended up with Dr. Swann. I think it was teleported there from the cave wall like Kal-El did in the field in Crusade.

[watcher4]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
I'm thinking that when Zod communicates with Lionel it physically hurts his brain. Maybe he was writing down the info Zod was sending him.

Why would Zod be communicating with him?


Originally posted by DestinyFan
Perhaps we have a parallel here!
Lionel leaves Jonathan Kent right before he dies and is understood as some indirect cause of his death. Even Lex knows about Jonathan's visit. So now, Clark leaves Lionel's office and Lionel is in great pain perhaps leading to his eventual death. Lex will surely have a video of Clark leaving! Maybe Jor-El senses that Lionel is a threat and is using him for a particular purpose before he "disposes" of him!

Yet, is Lionel not still alive in later episodes? Why would Jonathan's ghost tell Clark that Lionel has to die? Has to me denotes that something has not happened yet.