Lex gets burned

[MBCorp]

Last week we had Lex say some really mean things to Chloe, but I don't think they got to her half as much as Lionel saying to Lex, "Clark is a son that a father can be proud of" Ooooh the look on Lex's face after Lionel said that...

[myankskent]

That was priceless. However, very true. Lionel was very funny in this episode when he was talking to the guy while playing the games, telling him to shut up and stuff.

[Aloof]

I laughed to death. I couldn't believe that Lionel defended Clark! :eek:

[chole_fan]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Last week we had Lex say some really mean things to Chloe, but I don't think they got to her half as much as Lionel saying to Lex, "Clark is a son that a father can be proud of" Ooooh the look on Lex's face after Lionel said that...

Yeah, that line made me wince. Not that I don't think there's some truth to it, but thats got to be hard to hear coming from your father. Maybe the are just trying to give Lex the ammunition he needs to finally go over the edge and kill Lionel.

[AverageJoe]

That was so funny! :lol: I've been waiting for him to say something like that for so long :D

[MarkAllan22]

Lionel said that and I blurted out 'OUUUUUUCH!'

Lionel is slowly sending Lex off the deep end.

[angelfire east]

Lionel knows just what to say to hurt the much. He goes right for the jugular:D

[8SMALLFAN8]

"That's gonna leave a mark" echoed over and over again in my ears when I heard him say that. OUCHIE! Always a constant dig on Lex....MB at his finest..

[FallenStar]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Last week we had Lex say some really mean things to Chloe, but I don't think they got to her half as much as Lionel saying to Lex, "Clark is a son that a father can be proud of" Ooooh the look on Lex's face after Lionel said that...

Karma, pure and simple

that line was amazing, I wanted to cry!

[MamaK]

Originally posted by 8SMALLFAN8
"That's gonna leave a mark" echoed over and over again in my ears when I heard him say that. OUCHIE! Always a constant dig on Lex....MB at his finest..

:rotfl: That's gonna leave a mark!!! Yeah, I did inwardly wince when the MB said that!

[IVODARK]

Long live the MB. What beware the bald headed guy, I hear he's gonna start kicking some $%s anytime soon...

That line was priceless.

[muffinpeddler]

Originally posted by Aloof
I laughed to death. I couldn't believe that Lionel defended Clark! :eek:

I don't know if he defended him so much as throwing Lex off the trail.

[k18]

The whole Clex break up would be great if it stemed from Lex's jealousy of Lionel's concern for Clark.

[muffinpeddler]

As to the burn? I could just hear Micheal Kelso screaming BURN!!! in my head, over and over! LOL!

[BadToad]

Ah man, I'm no longer a big Lex fan, but that had to hurt. Lionel knows that Lex is envious of Clark in so many ways, and he knew that sentence would sting. But he's not our MB for nuthin' ;)

[Thil_EL]

LOVED THAT! i as one of the high points of tonights epi :)

[Carly22]

Dang! Poor lex, the truth hurts.

[vyperman7]

The Lex/Lionel relationship is one of the best things about the show. The main selling point for me was always the relationship between Clark and Lex and how they grew into their future personas. But Lex and Lionel's relationship has always been a close second for me. Any interaction between the two of them is always a welcomed suprise for me. One more reason why I cannot wait for this episode.

[F-Stop Blues]

The scene with Clark and Lex watching Lionel talk to Martha about Clark was great too. No wonder Lex Luthor hates Superman. He got burned twice this ep. This ep was alot like Insurgence that way. Clark (the hero) is known to be special and destined for great things while Lex (the villain) has no one. It was great. Just a great ep all around. Great Clex too.


Originally posted by vyperman7
The Lex/Lionel relationship is one of the best things about the show. The main selling point for me was always the relationship between Clark and Lex and how they grew into their future personas. But Lex and Lionel's relationship has always been a close second for me. Any interaction between the two of them is always a welcomed suprise for me. One more reason why I cannot wait for this episode.

Ryan you havent seen it yet? Oh right you live in California. This ep was really good. The Lionel stuff was great but the clex stuff was even better imo.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
The scene with Clark and Lex watching Lionel talk to Martha about Clark was great too. No wonder Lex Luthor hates Superman. He got burned twice this ep. This ep was alot like Insurgence that way. Clark (the hero) is known to be special and destined for great things while Lex (the villain) has no one. It was great. Just a great ep all around. Great Clex too.


But the real question is how will they seperate Lex's feelings for Clark and Superman down the road? Lex hates Superman, not Clark Kent. That is one of the things I always very curious about, especially since one of the main premises of the show was Clark and Lex being friends. Lex continues to see things that make him question just how normal Clark is, yet when Superman comes in down the road looking exactly like Clark and having the same type of abilities he suspected Clark of having...

It is the main reason why I keep watching though.

Parker,

My favorite Clex quote of the season was in Arrival, which I just watched earlier today for the first time in awhile. "If you're my friend, then just tell me the truth".

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
The scene with Clark and Lex watching Lionel talk to Martha about Clark was great too. No wonder Lex Luthor hates Superman. He got burned twice this ep. This ep was alot like Insurgence that way. Clark (the hero) is known to be special and destined for great things while Lex (the villain) has no one. It was great. Just a great ep all around. Great Clex too.


Yes, the irony of that moment was not lost on me. To have Lionel stick up for Clark in a way that he'll never do with Lex, and then to have Lionel tell Lex in no uncertain terms that Lex will never be the kind of son Clark is... OUCH!! That's gotta hurt! I really am curious to see how this, combined with Lex's continued obsession with what he "thinks" he knows about Clark, will send him over the edge into the evil mastermind we know he will become.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by vyperman7
But the real question is how will they seperate Lex's feelings for Clark and Superman down the road? Lex hates Superman, not Clark Kent. That is one of the things I always very curious about, especially since one of the main premises of the show was Clark and Lex being friends. Lex continues to see things that make him question just how normal Clark is, yet when Superman comes in down the road looking exactly like Clark and having the same type of abilities he suspected Clark of having...

It is the main reason why I keep watching though.



I think the show will end never asnwering that question. It will just be left to the viewer to decide. Obvioulsy by the time Clark becomes Superman Lex must know who he is.

Also I think Lex does eventually hate Clark Kent. Im pretty sure Clark writes articles and editorials about him that are none too flattering. Plus Clark gets with Lois and Lex has a thing for Lois (in th comics)

[SmallvilleFanBlue]

Originally posted by vyperman7
But the real question is how will they seperate Lex's feelings for Clark and Superman down the road? Lex hates Superman, not Clark Kent. That is one of the things I always very curious about, especially since one of the main premises of the show was Clark and Lex being friends. Lex continues to see things that make him question just how normal Clark is, yet when Superman comes in down the road looking exactly like Clark and having the same type of abilities he suspected Clark of having...

It is the main reason why I keep watching though.

Parker,

My favorite Clex quote of the season was in Arrival, which I just watched earlier today for the first time in awhile. "If you're my friend, then just tell me the truth".

Really good point..
I wonder how they are going to figure out down the road or how they will even introduce it to show that Superman and Clark Kent are two seperate ppl to Lex... :confused: Good luck for the writers on that 1.. Cuz, think of it this way, if Superman showed up, that'd be pretty much Lex's suspicions all up in 1 person, so..
He'll make the assumption 1+1 = the same 1.. :)

[IVODARK]

You know waht, I have the feeling the will never explain that. They will just... end the show. I'll pissed, of course.

[vyperman7]

I am hoping that they at least give us a ten years later flashforward type of thing just to give us a glimpse of Clark and Lex in their future personas. What would be even better is if they gave us a two hour Smallville TV movie that took place in Metropolis down the road.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by vyperman7


Parker,

My favorite Clex quote of the season was in Arrival, which I just watched earlier today for the first time in awhile. "If you're my friend, then just tell me the truth".



Yeah that was a great line. My favorite was in Aqua when Clark told Lex that he stood up for him to Fine and Lex was shocked.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I am hoping that they at least give us a ten years later flashforward type of thing just to give us a glimpse of Clark and Lex in their future personas. What would be even better is if they gave us a two hour Smallville TV movie that took place in Metropolis down the road.

I know, I'd love to see something like that too. I want a glimpse of the future, even if it's just a short segment.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Yeah that was a great line. My favorite was in Aqua when Clark told Lex that he stood up for him to Fine and Lex was shocked.

"I defended you" :lol:

What cracks me up and frustrates me at the same time is the fact that they will have Clark being pissed off at Lex one week saying that the time for believing his lies is over, and then the next week they have Clark acting like a naive idiot defending Lex. I wish they would just have both characters make up their minds in that aspect. The back and forth is killing me.


Originally posted by MBCorp
I know, I'd love to see something like that too. I want a glimpse of the future, even if it's just a short segment.

It would be great.

I remember reading in an interview by AlMiles that they were saying that the show would end with Clark in the suit, so I am assuming they will give us something like this. But knowing them, it was probably just BS. :lol:

[IVODARK]

Really, the said that? Man, I need some tights... Wait, that sounded so gay... I mean, oh nevermind. ED is hot!!!!!!!!!

[F-Stop Blues]

I think they said that the show will end with everyone in their designated destinies. I hope they follow through on that but who knows.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Really, the said that? Man, I need some tights... Wait, that sounded so gay... I mean, oh nevermind. ED is hot!!!!!!!!!

Good deflection :D

I agree ED is HOT!

If only they could get Lois's character worth to be as much as her sex appeal. Then we would be getting somewhere :D

[IVODARK]

Yeah, you're right.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Last week we had Lex say some really mean things to Chloe, but I don't think they got to her half as much as Lionel saying to Lex, "Clark is a son that a father can be proud of" Ooooh the look on Lex's face after Lionel said that...


Oh yes!

That remark sealed the deal on their adversarial father/son relationship!

Now we wait for the "grande finale" of Luthor vs. Luthor!:lol:

[sstray72]

Yeah, that was a harsh one!! Did anyone notice the evil red with dark shadow on Lex after Lionel said that?? :eek: Evil, I say!

[love_smallville]

a phrase taken from my daughter came bursting from my lips:

"Oh, SNAP!"

[janedoe]

I think that line was hott, poor Lex the only one that loves him now is Lana. I thought it was funny how Lex was talking about becoming friends with Clark again, n then he got a call from Lana. Clark wasn't buying it though, which is what I like there is more consistency with Clark these days. I could just picture them being in a playground, with Lex going nanny nanny boo boo I took Lana from you.

[Antithesis]

Originally posted by MarkAllan22
Lionel said that and I blurted out 'OUUUUUUCH!'

Lionel is slowly sending Lex off the deep end.

Yeah. That what I did too. I felt sorry for him yet it was almost kinda funny. He looked like he was either going to start crying or go on a murderous rage

[CallMeClark]

I loved it. :)

[GL2814]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Last week we had Lex say some really mean things to Chloe, but I don't think they got to her half as much as Lionel saying to Lex, "Clark is a son that a father can be proud of" Ooooh the look on Lex's face after Lionel said that...

Burn! That cut Lex to the quick. Knowing that he is a disappointment to his Lionel.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by Antithesis
Yeah. That what I did too. I felt sorry for him yet it was almost kinda funny. He looked like he was either going to start crying or go on a murderous rage

And I'll take "murderous rage" for 1000, Alex.... :p

[Shadow09]

Yea I like how Lionel not only defended Clark but spoke god's honest truth about Clark and that he is the man this world so despertly needs.

If I were Lex hearing that from my father I would be devestated.

I sort of feel for Lex just slightly, but I don't feel sorry for his cause he is putting this on himself, he is just following his father's legacy, no matter how much Lionel tries to change, Lex will follow in his footsteps.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by love_smallville
a phrase taken from my daughter came bursting from my lips:

"Oh, SNAP!"


:lol: :lol:

Yes I can relate!!:lol: :lol:

[Brian Peppers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
[B]But the real question is how will they seperate Lex's feelings for Clark and Superman down the road? Lex hates Superman, not Clark Kent. That is one of the things I always very curious about, especially since one of the main premises of the show was Clark and Lex being friends. Lex continues to see things that make him question just how normal Clark is, yet when Superman comes in down the road looking exactly like Clark and having the same type of abilities he suspected Clark of having...


If you ask me, Lex and Superman/Clark will have this same relationship but just intensified on more of a global scale. Lex will be upto the usual crimes against humanity while Superman/Clark keeps shutting them down. Lex of course will cover it up some how.

Everybody close to Clark will know his secret once he becomes Superman (if not sooner).

The Clark Kent secret identity angle will just be the world perceiving him as another plain old reporter at the planet (a character that doesn't scream attention). Of course, Perry, Chloe, Lana, Lex, Martha, Lois will know he's Superman :)

[margroks]

That was Lionel covering up for Clark. But although was a real slam at Lex, it wasn't the first time he's compared Lex unfavorably to Clark. This was the first time, however, that I think he really meant it, knowing what he does about Clark and how he saved them both knowing it would reveal his true nature to Lionel.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Yes, and now both Luthors had made the "Declarations of Disdain" for each other in this one episode alone!!!!

[LuthorDynasty]

Lionel was telling the truth while be poignantly harsh. While I love the new, even more ambiguous Lionel, I fear for the life of his character. His open contempt for his son might cost him his life.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

How true indeed!

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LuthorDynasty
Lionel was telling the truth while be poignantly harsh. While I love the new, even more ambiguous Lionel, I fear for the life of his character. His open contempt for his son might cost him his life.

Yes, I'm afraid that Lionel's days are now numbered. He's going to literally drive Lex over the edge into insanity and force Lex's hand. Whether Lionel deserves it or not is a completely different argument, but I see Lex teetering towards the "murderous rage" angle.

[SuperGirlNTraining]

Originally posted by janedoe
I think that line was hott, poor Lex the only one that loves him now is Lana. I thought it was funny how Lex was talking about becoming friends with Clark again, n then he got a call from Lana. Clark wasn't buying it though, which is what I like there is more consistency with Clark these days. I could just picture them being in a playground, with Lex going nanny nanny boo boo I took Lana from you.

During the scene where Lex took the call from Lana...I was half expecting Clark to use his abilities to hear who Lex was talking to (Just in case it involved his mom) and then be shocked to find out that it was Lana....I think that would have added some logs to the fire!

[svsabbiesv]

ok that's what i was thinking too...I can't recall what Lex said but to the fact that it shouldn't take a tragedy to get those 2 together in one room, and then lana freakin calls!!! how great was that. I so thought that Clark was so going to listen in bc you know how Clark never really believes Lex when he says he doesn't know anything on wats goin on. Darn it
but I DO believe Lex got burned a couple of times. When Lionel states that Clark is a special boy, blah blah, and Lex turned to Clark all slow! lol Lex almost looked hurt just the fact that his father almost has a heart for Clark, and not for his own son, and at the end when Lionel says Clark is a son that a father can be proud of...I'm starting to think Lana might not anything to do with Lex and Clark ....Lex has always wanted a place in Lionel heart. and then you have Lionel back up Clark, "he's only a farm boy, leave it alone" yet how many times in the past Lionel looked into Clark as well. Man I can't believe the season finale is like 3 weeks, and again have to wait until Sept to find out....argh and it's the last season !!!! my life will be over....lol

[All about Clark]

How uncomfortable for both Lex and Clark to watch that screen of Lionel talking about Clark. I think the sheer fact that Lionel was willing to give up his life for Clark needing Martha was huge, and that alone had to drive Lex crazy.

And Clark had to be petrified on what Lionel might say that Lex would hear.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by All about Clark
How uncomfortable for both Lex and Clark to watch that screen of Lionel talking about Clark. I think the sheer fact that Lionel was willing to give up his life for Clark needing Martha was huge, and that alone had to drive Lex crazy.

And Clark had to be petrified on what Lionel might say that Lex would hear.

Hear, hear. You know Lex isn't going to ever forget this. The look on his face spoke volumes to me... that he will exact his revenge somehow, and even moreso on Lionel, since Lex has to know that Lionel knows something about Clark and isn't spilling the beans.

[ms.c.]

It was cruel. It runs in the family to be that way.

[A Magician]

LOL.. right after he said that I said, "BURN!!"

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by ms.c.
It was cruel. It runs in the family to be that way.

Yes, Luthor and malice seem to be synonymous.

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

poor lex!! lionel was totally mean. no wonder lex ends up evil, his daddy made him phsyco! there's no love in that family.

[clarksmuse]

No indeed, GottaLoveHotSuperHeros, there is no love in the Luthor family. Still, you have to admit that Lex still has the choice to be like his father or rise up above it. And now, more than ever, we're seeing that Lex is choosing to stay underneath Lionel's wrathful parenting. How tragic.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by All about Clark
How uncomfortable for both Lex and Clark to watch that screen of Lionel talking about Clark. I think the sheer fact that Lionel was willing to give up his life for Clark needing Martha was huge, and that alone had to drive Lex crazy.
What a blow to Lex. Topped off with the "son a father could proud of" remark.

Just when I think I've got my head screwed on straight when it comes to Lex, Lionel will slip a cutting remark and Im back to "Poor Lex!"

Those two are the masters of keeping the emotions tied up and twisted!

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
What a blow to Lex. Topped off with the "son a father could proud of" remark.

Just when I think I've got my head screwed on straight when it comes to Lex, Lionel will slip a cutting remark and Im back to "Poor Lex!"

Those two are the masters of keeping the emotions tied up and twisted!

You're not the only one, Watching Smallville! I really felt nothing but pity for poor Lexy after last night's episode. Then I start to wonder how much more he's going to take from Lionel before he snaps like a twig!

[All about Clark]

Not much, I'm predicting 1/3 thru S6 and Lex will kill him.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"Yeah, that was a harsh one!! Did anyone notice the evil red with dark shadow on Lex after Lionel said that?? Evil, I say!"

YEAH! That was cool symbolism. The lighting was so symbolic, the way it was all red on Lex. Good stuff. Great directing.

As for the line itself, I'm not so sure Lionel meant it in an evil way. Maybe he meant it as, "Lex, I COULD be proud of you, IF you be a good man, like Clark. THEN you could be the son I'd be proud of," as opposed to the theory that he just meant it as an insult, like, "You'll NEVER be the son I've always wanted." See what I'm saying?

Or maybe Lionel really is his old evil self and meant it as a mean, destructive comment. I can't tell right now if he's evil or good or somewhere in-between. He said he wanted to teach Lex harsh lessons, take Luthor Corp away from him so that he'd take a step back from the power and money to save his soul....but I'm not so sure I buy that. Maybe he meant it, or maybe not. Hard to say.

[sid8810]

Im thinking Lionel could be getting the axe....later on mainly beacause too many people know his secret(2 is too many). Its hard not
to like Lionel he puts such passion in his dialogues..it almost makes you think his a good guy. I thought t
e Lio-lex part was fantastic ...when Lex said:'You said Clarks a special boy?....what do you mean by that.... his tone was really sad underneath the hard/cool luthor stance. Its still his father and obviously lex does care about him despite what he says...although this could be on collision with Lionel - The End. I guess there's No Lois( *SIGH* )

you have to wonder though....Luther Corp and Chloe? Luther corp does everything ....soon they will be sending men on mars at this rate. As for Chloe.....Why hasn't NSA snapped her up yet? her laptop must be from krytpon...for a uni girl shes beyond NSA level. But i love it anyway....theres not 1 episode i actually HATE.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

After Lionel's remark to Lex.....I would not be surprised if Lex tried some villainy against his father.:eek: ;)

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
After Lionel's remark to Lex.....I would not be surprised if Lex tried some villainy against his father.:eek: ;)

Nor I... in fact, All About Clark mentioned something about Lionel dying next season. I can see Lex killing his father next season. I seriously think Lex is close to... if not AT... his breaking point.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
Nor I... in fact, All About Clark mentioned something about Lionel dying next season. I can see Lex killing his father next season. I seriously think Lex is close to... if not AT... his breaking point.


True!

Lex may do a subtle liquidation which never leaves a trail....just look at Brigette Crosby played by Superman's Margot Kidder!

Jason Teague did the dirty work and Genevieve his mother that Lex took care of the body just as the Teagues plannned.

So if Lex is going to take his father out (reprehensible) then there would probably be no trace.;)

[clarksmuse]

And we probably won't even notice Lionel's gone until it's already too late! :lol: That's how good Lex is at doing evil deeds and covering them up!

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Yes and if it actually happens that Lex would do that, then not even Clark and Chloe's "investigative Scooby" would "stop it in time"!

Do you agree something like that would make a great drama like 'Mercy' episode or just a....

"yeah, we knew Lex was gonna kill his dad Lionel all along" audience sentiment??

[clarksmuse]

Probably the latter. Many of us who watch the show have known it was only a matter of time before Lex offs dear old dad... now the question isn't so much "when" and it is "how". This episode has clearly shown that the "how" is not only the result of Lionel's refusal to love and accept Lex, but also the continuation of Lex's fall into evil.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Yes, but somehow I believe Lex's fall will be gradual and probably they may tone down the death part a little when they air the episode.

Why?

The "audience sensibility factor and network censorship" but then again I could be wrong.

It is right now, this cunning Lex has appeal as opposed to "all out, down right evil" Lex Luthor if you get my meaning here. I'm not saying I want to see the good sweet side as we saw in 'Onyx' with the "Good Lex".....something right now in between.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton

It is right now, this cunning Lex has appeal as opposed to "all out, down right evil" Lex Luthor if you get my meaning here. I'm not saying I want to see the good sweet side as we saw in 'Onyx' with the "Good Lex".....something right now in between.

Oh, but there's a part of me that WANTS to see the "Onyx" Lex... so evil, so blatent, so powerful in his insanity... but I'd only want to see this transition towards the end of the last SV season... make him the ultimate Big Bad.

Lionel's made a huge contribution to this gradual downfall with his comment about Clark being the kind of son a father could be proud of... OUCH! Go ahead and twist that double-edged sword into Lex's back just a little bit more! :(

[staph]

here is a thought. Does anyone else think that Lana is faking her feelings with Lex in order to get close enough for some answers. The whole relationship is not only out of whack with the superman series but it doesn't even make sense at all. Lana made a very strange comment last week to clark about not worrying about her being a victim or getting hurt. something to that affect. The way she said it made me think she was up to something and knew exactly what she was doing. very methodical in fact. Oh well just an opinion.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
Oh, but there's a part of me that WANTS to see the "Onyx" Lex... so evil, so blatent, so powerful in his insanity... but I'd only want to see this transition towards the end of the last SV season... make him the ultimate Big Bad.

Lionel's made a huge contribution to this gradual downfall with his comment about Clark being the kind of son a father could be proud of... OUCH! Go ahead and twist that double-edged sword into Lex's back just a little bit more! :(

Yes that'll work for me too, the gradual Lex Luthor decline and if S6 is indeed the last....then we'll see in much sooner......probably.:(

[i love u tom]

yea... as soon as he said that i was like "ouchhh.... BURNN!!!!!!" i swear those were my exact words. haha i was like well thats what u get for asking about clark! u wanted to heatr an answer! that was an answer!

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by staph
here is a thought. Does anyone else think that Lana is faking her feelings with Lex in order to get close enough for some answers. The whole relationship is not only out of whack with the superman series but it doesn't even make sense at all. Lana made a very strange comment last week to clark about not worrying about her being a victim or getting hurt. something to that affect. The way she said it made me think she was up to something and knew exactly what she was doing. very methodical in fact. Oh well just an opinion.


hello staph!

Well it was actually Chloe to whom Lana said"

".....you can stop spreading your vicious rumor mill, and as far as Lex goes I have no intention of being anyone's prey!"

Maybe not word for word but those were Lana's expressed sentiments! And yes, Lana could be doing just that only to find that Lex is getting "kissy, kissy" with her and she after some reflection could not help but probably feel something from that kiss and returning it....has done something psychological to her in rebound state of mind.

So Lana could be trying to sort out that intimate feeling from not being a prey of interfering with her goal of finding out what Lex knows.

And don't worry about expressing your opinion, that is what the board is for as long as we adhere to the moderator's warning by being nice....no name calling.:)

[euterpe]

And the emotional abuse just keeps coming…

I really felt for Lex with that line, considering that Lex is exactly the son that Lionel raised him to be. Imagine how Lex must feel. If you recall, at the end of ‘Onyx’, Lionel said that Lex had finally shown himself to be the son he always wanted (referring to Alexander – the evil Lex). Then, in ‘Commencement’, Lex told the catatonic Lionel that he (Lionel) had succeeded in creating the son he always wanted. Now Lionel appears to be doing a complete 180, reminding Lex of what a disappointment and disgrace he is and praising Clark as the son he could be proud of. Talk about inconsistency! No wonder poor Lex is so screwed up.

Lionel’s growing affection for Clark is truly a slap in the face to Lex. And I don’t understand everyone’s acceptance of Lionel as some newly reformed guardian angel for Clark. Does everyone in Smallville have selective amnesia? This is the same man who orchestrated his own parents’ murder for their life insurance money. The same man who drugged and committed his own son to a mental institution and then shot electricity threw his head (while he was still conscious, mind you!) just to cover up his own sins. The same man who then tried to murder that same son when Lionel finally got nailed for his crimes. Not to mention all the other dastardly deeds he has committed…cloning, reviving the dead for his experiments (i.e. Adam) only to let them die an agonizing death again when they had served their purpose, and the list goes on…

Lionel may know Clark’s secret and may be protecting him partly due to some influence of Jor-El’s possession, but remember the MB is still in there too. He wouldn’t want Lex to know because that would be relinquishing a power that right now Lionel holds. And no matter what he told Martha, I don't believe for a second that his attempted take-back of LuthorCorp had anything to do with helping Lex. Lionel has always viewed LuthorCorp as his possession, and rightfully his. Of course he’ll do anything to take back his property. He doesn’t really care about Lex. If he were truly reformed then he would at least try what Martha suggested. He was just making excuses.

And why shouldn’t Lex ask Lionel about what he meant about Clark being special? My goodness, one second the guy is standing near you in the same room and the next second he’s in a building across town!?!? Lex would be an idiot NOT to ask questions. That’s not snooping, that’s simple intelligence and human curiosity. I mean, I’d sure ask a lot of questions too. If that makes me evil, then, by all means, pass me my pitchfork.

[All about Clark]

Lionel clearly doesn't know how to be a father and clearly learned wrong from his own father.

Ever since Transference, Lionel has seen Lex differently. He wants to change Lex but doesn't know how. In Onyx he says that "Lex to be the son he always wanted" and further says that he sees the error of his ways, meaning he made a mistake in created this Lex. The problem for both Lex and Lionel is neither knows how to deal with the other and make change in them. Lionel wanted to change Lex by taking LuthorCorp away and all he did was to hurt others and risk Martha's life. I'm sure at this point, Lionel doesn't know what to do. He sees Clark as good and Lex as bad, and has no idea how to fix it. So instead of anything constructive, he uses hurtful statements to Lex that further agrevates the problem. Neither will win.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Lionel clearly doesn't know how to be a father and clearly learned wrong from his own father.

Ever since Transference, Lionel has seen Lex differently. He wants to change Lex but doesn't know how. In Onyx he says that "Lex to be the son he always wanted" and further says that he sees the error of his ways, meaning he made a mistake in created this Lex. The problem for both Lex and Lionel is neither knows how to deal with the other and make change in them. Lionel wanted to change Lex by taking LuthorCorp away and all he did was to hurt others and risk Martha's life. I'm sure at this point, Lionel doesn't know what to do. He sees Clark as good and Lex as bad, and has no idea how to fix it. So instead of anything constructive, he uses hurtful statements to Lex that further agrevates the problem. Neither will win.
Great post, All about Clark.

[xrayvision]

I think Lionel will either die as a result of Lex killing him, or as a result of the Kryptonian possession of his body.

But I immediately understood how badly Lex must have taken what Lionel said to him. Knowing about Clark is going to put his lying skills to a good test. I hope as a result, we will be re-introduced to that room he had about Clark & the Kents (with the Porsche, files, jar with the alien life form from Rush, picture of the octagonal key, that scroll from Run, and more). I think it would be cool for him to even share that with Lana. I would be interested to see what her reaction would be (shocked at him for spying so much into Clark, or intrigued and willing to join the witch-hunt). I think Lex will try to get Lionel in Summerholt (as Lionel did with Clark in Memoria) and perhaps go overkill with trying to find out what Lionel knows that Lionel will die.

One thing that I must say though is that if Clark & Martha get close to Lionel and start trusting him, they will investigate on his whereabouts and track him down ultimately (won't be another Brigette Crosby deal, though I think she may still be alive since there's more that they can do with her character). That's when Clark will get fed up with Lex and start going after him.