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chole_fan

04-20-2006, 07:29 PM

I was so happy Clark told Lionel not to call him son.. I was so waiting for that!!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, that had been bothering me ever since the first time he said it. I literally jumped of the couch and cheered when he said that. IMO, one of the best lines of the episode.

scoff

04-20-2006, 07:29 PM

He was so serious in that scene. He wasn't a special "boy" while telling Lionel to stay away from Martha.

very powerful

FallenStar

04-20-2006, 07:30 PM

It's nice to see Clark have a backbone
Forgive, but never forget

Iowa_Gent

04-20-2006, 08:41 PM

That was a great scene and made the show for me.

xrayvision

04-20-2006, 08:43 PM

BDA no more? I thought he came down quite strong on Lionel (too strong) and I felt bad for Lionel, but who knows what he has up his sleeves. I thought we would finally find out what he was all about (have been wondering since S4's Forever), but with Lionel, you just never know.

IVODARK

04-20-2006, 08:43 PM

Agreed. Someone said the line was kinda cheesy, and I kinda agree, but having Clark acting like The Man for once...um, not a bad thing, like, at all.

Thil_EL

04-20-2006, 08:44 PM

liked it but that wasnt very superman-like now is it?
superman threatning people?

MBCorp

04-20-2006, 08:45 PM

That was such an intense, amazing scene. Glover and Welling were really awesome interacting in that scene, you could just feel the tension!

muffinpeddler

04-20-2006, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
BDA no more? I thought he came down quite strong on Lionel (too strong) and I felt bad for Lionel, but who knows what he has up his sleeves. I thought we would finally find out what he was all about (have been wondering since S4's Forever), but with Lionel, you just never know.

Clark's really getting a lot better now that he's free from the Pink Reaper. and yes, Lionel is still the enigma he should be.

Originally posted by Thil_EL
liked it but that wasnt very superman-like now is it?
superman threatning people?

He's done it in the comics too. Just people like Lex though, particularly while he's president.

BadToad

04-20-2006, 08:48 PM

I thought that scene was absolutely incredible. It was the highlight of the whole show for me. Unbelievable work from TW and JG in that scene. And I cheered on every word that Clark said. Yes, later in life, when he becomes Superman, he will be able to deal with these situations in a different fashion. But right now, as 18 year old Clark Kent, who just lost his father, who is protecting his mother, who is face to face with a man thats actually tried to kill him in the past? He was absolute perfection. IMO

xrayvision

04-20-2006, 08:49 PM

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! The Pink Reaper!!!!!! That was a great one!!!

IVODARK

04-20-2006, 08:50 PM

The Pink Reaper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kel-El

04-20-2006, 08:59 PM

I was definitely cheering when Clark told Lionel off. It was so great.

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-20-2006, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by TW1977
Don't see that too often! That was great! You tell him Clark!

This is and that was "Superman" in training!

btw, TW1977 your avatar is reflective of that scene in Hypnotic which no doubt made an impression on you to use it!:p :D

TW1977

04-20-2006, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Thil_EL
liked it but that wasnt very superman-like now is it?
superman threatning people?

No but it's his mother and I'd do just about anything to protect my mom! Don't mess with Martha Kent!;)

Originally posted by MBCorp
That was such an intense, amazing scene. Glover and Welling were really awesome interacting in that scene, you could just feel the tension!

I was on the edge of my seat screaming "YOU tell him Clark!"

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
This is and that was "Superman" in training!

btw, TW1977 your avatar is reflective of that scene in Hypnotic which no doubt made an impression on you to use it!:p :D
That was the scene alright! Quite the impression I might add!;)

My two favorite scenes in the whole "Mercy" epi was the confrontation between Clark & Lionel and the Elevator scene with Clark looking up through the grating! Those did it for me! Awesome scenes!

theDreamer

04-20-2006, 09:43 PM

That was a great scene. I liked how protective he was being of his mother and that he had a backbone.

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-20-2006, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by theDreamer
That was a great scene. I liked how protective he was being of his mother and that he had a backbone.

True!

And you have a very nice avatar there!

The Tommy

04-20-2006, 10:19 PM

I was actually kind of put off... Superman is supposed to be forgiving... I saw no hint of grace in his eyes just fury and rage... Which, sweet acting aside... Wasn't very superman ish... I"m looking for a superman not an angry clark kent...

jarethmc

04-20-2006, 10:30 PM

BadToad you nailed it!!

LuckyKrypto

04-20-2006, 10:49 PM

shadowcat20x

04-20-2006, 10:52 PM

YESSS!!! I absolutley loved that scene! I was so excited. Show that courage Clark! He should do it more often!

Watching Smallville

04-20-2006, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Thil_EL
liked it but that wasnt very superman-like now is it?
superman threatning people?
Maybe not the threat -- but I thought the strength and conviction was very Supes-like. It was the first time I could see Superman in Clark.

The Tommy

04-20-2006, 10:52 PM

Right, but doesn't that just go against the symbol of Superman... Superman is supposed to be a modern day messiah... Imangine if Jesus walked around intimidating the Pharisee like Clark did... I understand righteous anger, but intimidation games are not cool... I want Clark to be anxious and on to Lion-el, I don't want him pushing him around and acting all high and mighty simply because he is...

Watching Smallville

04-20-2006, 10:56 PM

I always thought Superman was very tough on his foes. Very forceful, direct, uncompromised. I agree with what someone posted -- using a threat comes from being young. But it's the conviction that made an impression on me. I don't want Clark to anxious and nervous about Lionel. I like Clark when he's strong and knows his own mind.

MBCorp

04-20-2006, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I always thought Superman was very tough on his foes. Very forceful, direct, uncompromised. I agree with what someone posted -- using a threat comes from being young. But it's the conviction that made an impression on me. I don't want Clark to anxious and nervous about Lionel. I like Clark when he's strong and knows his own mind.

Word.

The Tommy

04-20-2006, 11:02 PM

Hmm... I guess I used the wrong word... Anxious wouldn't be the best word at all... but the thought that Clark is always on gaurd for Lionel, ready to defend when he needs too... My personal image of Superman is that of a defender, not an offender... Someone who is constantly ready to fight for the little guy (or his mommy) but never going out picking a fight... Clark doesn't know lionel's motives yet, and if Lionel has known for almost a year and not done anything... Maybe he [lionel] has changed... Clark needs to be ready for a plot twist, but not forcing it...

ClarkSupportsOrganic

04-20-2006, 11:40 PM

that scene was the greatest! I think it made the episode and showed how Clark is really becoming Superman. :)

Miss L

04-20-2006, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by BadToad
I thought that scene was absolutely incredible. It was the highlight of the whole show for me. Unbelievable work from TW and JG in that scene. And I cheered on every word that Clark said. Yes, later in life, when he becomes Superman, he will be able to deal with these situations in a different fashion. But right now, as 18 year old Clark Kent, who just lost his father, who is protecting his mother, who is face to face with a man thats actually tried to kill him in the past? He was absolute perfection. IMO

ITA I was cheering, too. So good to see Clark be assertive. That was an absolutely awesome scene. The look on Clark's face was so intense it made me quiver. And it made me feel a little sorry for Lionel, even though I still am not sure what's going on with him. I cannot wait to find out!

:D

All about Clark

04-21-2006, 12:04 AM

Yes BadToad, you nailed it.

It doesn't matter whether Lionel's intentions are good or bad, the fact that he uses people like Chloe and Martha instead of just coming right out with it and being open and honest are enough to give Clark reason to kick him out of their lives. Wrong approach.

DarkseidNow

04-21-2006, 01:12 AM

That was a very cool scene. It's about damn time Clark starts looking after himself instead of his parents always doing it.

Lionel: "I'm not trying to replace your father."
Clark: "You couldn't."

Oof! Awesome exchange.

TW1977

04-21-2006, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by The Tommy
I was actually kind of put off... Superman is supposed to be forgiving... I saw no hint of grace in his eyes just fury and rage... Which, sweet acting aside... Wasn't very superman ish... I"m looking for a superman not an angry clark kent...

IMHO, he's still kind of young yet though. In the DC comics, is he perfect in everything he does? I'm not familiar with the mythology. Does he always do the right thing? He has made plenty of wrong choices in the past in SV but I still feel that he is beginning to be more cautious about bad people. I don't think Superman is not going to try to stop a bad guy from hurting an innocent person like Martha. Isn't that what Superman does? Protect the innocent from evildoers? Just a thought.

Jonathan also warned him from Heaven so I imagine that was one reason he warned Lionel. Not to get into Religion but wouldn't someone in Heaven know more than a person still stuck on Earth? Unless he remembered his last encounter with Lionel before his death. I know I'd make sure nobody harmed MY mother. I'm not Superman but I'm a nice person and if you mess with my family..... well, there's no tellin' what I'd do!:eek: :D

jaime,oburg

04-21-2006, 07:18 AM

Clark's eyes were so intense. He meant business for once. I kinda got a Red K vibe, something we don't see come out of him unless he's under the influence. He seemed very intimidating and I LIKED IT! Great scene. Lionel appeared a little taken back, something that we don't get to see very often either. Nice, very nice.

xrayvision

04-21-2006, 07:25 AM

I would really like him to act this way towards Lex also.

muffinpeddler

04-21-2006, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by The Tommy
Right, but doesn't that just go against the symbol of Superman... Superman is supposed to be a modern day messiah... Imangine if Jesus walked around intimidating the Pharisee like Clark did... I understand righteous anger, but intimidation games are not cool... I want Clark to be anxious and on to Lion-el, I don't want him pushing him around and acting all high and mighty simply because he is...

Clark=Jesus? Don't think so. Maybe in the 40s and 50s, but in the modern comics, Superman is just as, uh, "Human" as the rest of us. Somebody messes with Lois, they get punched while Supes grits his teeth. He is still compassionate and gentle, but he comes down a bit harder on the bad guys. He made a similiar threat while Lex was in office as President, so did Batman. So this IS the Superman I know. He gets angry and has problems, just like everybody else.

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-21-2006, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
Clark=Jesus? Don't think so. Maybe in the 40s and 50s, but in the modern comics, Superman is just as, uh, "Human" as the rest of us. Somebody messes with Lois, they get punched while Supes grits his teeth. He is still compassionate and gentle, but he comes down a bit harder on the bad guys. He made a similiar threat while Lex was in office as President, so did Batman. So this IS the Superman I know. He gets angry and has problems, just like everybody else.

Couldn't but notice your rebuttal to The Tommy....

"Clark=Jesus?"

You may know this but, Shuster and Seigel were of Jewish heritage. And there are striking similarities one can not help but notice throughtout the origins and premise of the Superman mythos.

As a "father sends his "only son" to a world to help save it from its own destruction and lead by example its people. Same thing in religion.

But as for the rest of your comment of Clark being just a regular person with problems like everyone etc.....I couldn't agree more.

IVODARK

04-21-2006, 08:09 AM

That's true. The main point is that Supes will never take a human life. And won't use uneccesary force, unless you go and really piss him off (not too wise). But he will do everything he possibly can, even at the cost of his life, to stop the bad guys.

And he threatens. Most of the time is gentle threats or warnings unless he's really angry. There's one line he uses all the time in the comics: "My advice, surrender now" And by that he means simply: "I won't let you harm anyone, not even yourself, even if I have to punch some sense into you".

8SMALLFAN8

04-21-2006, 08:12 AM

I think Tom did a wonderful job facing Lionel. Not to offten do we see him pull such an outlandish move, but I def appreciated this time around.

muffinpeddler

04-21-2006, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Couldn't but notice your rebuttal to The Tommy....

"Clark=Jesus?"

You may know this but, Shuster and Seigel were of Jewish heritage. And there are striking similarities one can not help but notice throughtout the origins and premise of the Superman mythos.

As a "father sends his "only son" to a world to help save it from its own destruction and lead by example its people. Same thing in religion.

But as for the rest of your comment of Clark being just a regular person with problems like everyone etc.....I couldn't agree more.

Oh, I know of the similiarities, I can list even more....but Jesus was perfect, lived a sinless life, and died on the cross for us. Superman is not perfect, he has sinned (he's lied, lusted, and he killed Zod, Faora, and Kru-El), and his death didn't save us from eternal damnation. So superman does not equal Jesus, although the similiarities are quite striking.

And if the religion talk is gonna get me banned, i'll stop.

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-21-2006, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
Oh, I know of the similiarities, I can list even more....but Jesus was perfect, lived a sinless life, and died on the cross for us. Superman is not perfect, he has sinned (he's lied, lusted, and he killed Zod, Faora, and Kru-El), and his death didn't save us from eternal damnation. So superman does not equal Jesus, although the similiarities are quite striking.

And if the religion talk is gonna get me banned, i'll stop.

No, it won't.

We speak of it only to draw a comparison here which I agree with you.

But I was "only" citing the similarity of Jor-El and The Father sending their both their sons here to this world for its benefit......to speak in general terms.

Yes, Clark stood up to Lionel....and you can recall Jesus did the same with the "money changers" in the temple driving "the bad guys" shall we say, out with a "handmade cord of whips"???

But I will only draw those two similarities in response to The Tommy's post.....all in all Clark is "Superman in Training".

Standing up to Lionel is part of it!

muffinpeddler

04-21-2006, 08:33 AM

Okay, it seems we agree on that point. I think Clark should probably go through some phase where he realizes that threats aren't always the best course of action, as we are finally seeing events that will mold him into the Man of Tomorrow. (Though he DID need to stand up to Lionel, and it was a damn good scene!)

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-21-2006, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
Okay, it seems we agree on that point. I think Clark should probably go through some phase where he realizes that threats aren't always the best course of action, as we are finally seeing events that will mold him into the Man of Tomorrow. (Though he DID need to stand up to Lionel, and it was a damn good scene!)

I was just reminded of something when you indicated threats are realized as not the best course of action.

Chloe made similar threat to another Luthor...Lex in Fragile and now Clark made a similar one to this Luthor...Lionel, Lex's father.

Are the writers going somewhere with this?? Or did it appear that it was just another plot hole dropped and forgotten as we see Chloe and Clark and Lex in the same room working together!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Shadow09

04-21-2006, 09:22 AM

Agreed.

And Lionel knows this is one threat that he can't overlook, out of all the threats he has received in his life he could have had them taken cared of. But when someone like Clark threatens you that is not so easily set aside. It's not as simple to have someone take a contract and take out Clark.

margroks

04-21-2006, 09:24 AM

Maybe, but it was still cool. Tom was awesome and I think Lionel now really understands why he shouldn't mess with the Kents.

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-21-2006, 09:32 AM

OR the Future Superman!

SnowQueen

04-21-2006, 09:39 AM

cheesy or not, I loved that scene. Clark will do anything to protect his mom. I still think Lionel knowing Clark's secret, he won't tell everyone becuz he has something up his sleeve and also doesn't want Lex to know! lol I wasn't liking this episode at all until the ending... we need some more humor!!!!

TW1977

04-21-2006, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
OR the Future Superman!

You SAID it!

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-21-2006, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by TW1977
You SAID it!

Yes and your avatar says it too!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

ctjj.stevenson

04-21-2006, 11:22 AM

Actually, it could be me, but I felt bad for Lionel after Clark's scene with him at the end of the episode. I could be a sucker, but a part of me is beginning to see some good in Lionel, and this part of me believes that Clark could have been a bit less harsh. Finally, seeing that I am a Canadian, politeness is very important to me.

Ah well, good day!

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-21-2006, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by ctjj.stevenson
Actually, it could be me, but I felt bad for Lionel after Clark's scene with him at the end of the episode. I could be a sucker, but a part of me is beginning to see some good in Lionel, and this part of me believes that Clark could have been a bit less harsh. Finally, seeing that I am a Canadian, politeness is very important to me.

Ah well, good day!

I agree with you about Lionel...yes, there is empathy to the person who showed some humanity and demonstrated contrition for his misdeeds....Lionel Luthor!

As far as politness goes, I agree.....it is sometimes lacking and scarce on these posting boards here in Episode forums. Nothing wrong in expressing opinions in a way without combativeness.

All about Clark

04-21-2006, 11:46 AM

I have no sympathy for Lionel, because even though he appears to be acting out of goodness, he is still neglectful to harm he still does do, such as Angel of Vengeance mom's death and the harm to everyone in the Apex failed takeover. He just doesn't weight consequences. And personally I could never forgive him what he did to Clark in Memoria. So no, no sympathy deserved.

superspider02

04-21-2006, 11:49 AM

i also thought the scene with lionel and clark was very good. The acting was good and all that and i liked how it played out.

Spoon AZ

04-21-2006, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by ctjj.stevenson
Actually, it could be me, but I felt bad for Lionel after Clark's scene with him at the end of the episode. I could be a sucker, but a part of me is beginning to see some good in Lionel, and this part of me believes that Clark could have been a bit less harsh. Finally, seeing that I am a Canadian, politeness is very important to me.

Ah well, good day!

Come on!

Lionel is the man that Clark just found out inadvertently killed his father. Not to mention the millions of times of he has manipulated and screwed them over.

It's easy for us as viewers to have sympathy for Lionel because he's an interesting character, but if Lionel even did one of the horrible things to any of us, I think Clark's reaction would seem tame by a normal persons response.

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-21-2006, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Come on!

Lionel is the man that Clark just found out inadvertently killed his father. Not to mention the millions of times of he has manipulated and screwed them over.

It's easy for us as viewers to have sympathy for Lionel because he's an interesting character, but if Lionel even did one of the horrible things to any of us, I think Clark's reaction would seem tame by a normal persons response.

TAME????!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Spoon AZ

04-21-2006, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
TAME????!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously!

If I found out someone caused my father to have a heart-attack by threatening my life and then started hitting on my mom? There'd be more than some strong words, I tell you that.

Jedi Master Kal

04-21-2006, 01:39 PM

hmm the reason why they made clark taller than lionol was to show dominance i guess...to show clark took over the verbal fight, to show he was the dominate one ..cuz usually lionol is always dominating a conversation....so i guess the camera guy did it for a reason ..who knows..maybe he was FLOATING!!! lol

Watching Smallville

04-21-2006, 01:56 PM

Tom is 6 foot 3. I think he's taller than John Glover.

(TPTB often have KK and AM stand on boxes in scenes with him because he towers over everyone.)

attitudejc

04-21-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
(TPTB often have KK and AM stand on boxes in scenes with him because he towers over everyone.)

really? haha. thats funny.

All about Clark

04-21-2006, 02:37 PM

I think Tom really is 3 inches taller then John.

BadToad

04-21-2006, 02:56 PM

Not just AM and KK. James Marsters also had to stand on a box for at least one of his scenes.

Our Tom is an awfully big fella :)

Mrs.Bizzaro

04-21-2006, 03:18 PM

that scene at the end was A M A Z I N G!!!

hot dang! now thats what i'm talkin bout!!!

TW1977

04-21-2006, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Yes and your avatar says it too!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes it does!:D :D :D It says Super-Stud!

tjpw fanatic

04-22-2006, 10:01 AM

I loved it! Finally he flipped out on him! It was about time. I was standing up and clapping when that scene was done! You go clark:)

Tomsgurl88

04-22-2006, 10:19 AM

OMG!! When Lionel was like I'm not trying to take your father's place, and how Clark cut in and was like you couldn't, that was excellent, Tom did a GREAT job in that scene, *sighs* I love it when he gets that fired up!!! LOL

Watching Smallville

04-22-2006, 10:31 AM

I don't remember that many scenes between TW and JG -- but they are smokin. Hope we see more.

aqua

04-22-2006, 10:33 AM

Aww, I felt bad for Lionel. :lol: It seems he wants so badly to be Jonathan Kent, but ultimately, he can't.

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-22-2006, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Seriously!

If I found out someone caused my father to have a heart-attack by threatening my life and then started hitting on my mom? There'd be more than some strong words, I tell you that.

Yes, no doubt and the ensuing prosecution, naturally Smallville as hard as it tries to incorporate reality, is still Sci-Fi mythos.

But it is still fun to suspend disbelief to SuperClark's threat to Lionel!

margroks

04-24-2006, 05:45 AM

Yes...Clark's bigger and taller than anyone according to comics canon, alien genetics and all. But that emphasis between Clark and Lionel at the end was quite powerful and made it clear that Clark above Lionel both morally and in terms of power. Very cool!

Supergal

04-24-2006, 06:45 AM

Hi, just watched this episode. It was about time Clark started to say who's boss. But i think the fact that Clark saved his life was what gave him the feeling that he was powerful enough to have the upper hand. It didn't care too much about the script at that point, i think the acting was great - to the point where you didn't need to listen,

Nerial

04-24-2006, 11:48 AM

I wasn't big on the 'Saw' plot, but this confrontation scene...I LOVED watching Clark get in Lionel's face like that. Especially to protect his mom.

podopple

04-24-2006, 04:14 PM

I thought the whole saw plot was kind off lame but I seriousely thought (hoped) clarks eyes were going to flash red when he was up in MB face. Would of been cool to see.

Mistryman

04-24-2006, 05:48 PM

I thought it was good, but i stil felt that lionel had the upper hand. They are empty threats from clark and i think lionel knows. If it even is lionel, got my suspicions on the old Jor-el. Think he might be up to his tricks

All about Clark

04-24-2006, 06:57 PM

I don't think Clark would intentionally hurt Lionel, but Lionel sure believed it, the way he hugged his mom, Lionel believed it or he wouldn't have crumpled like that.

He was truely shocked by Clark's actions and his abilities (knowing one's destiny and seeing him action are two different things).

The guy acts good for practically the first time and gets knocked down for it. But Lionel can't say he didn't have it coming.

Kellylizbeth

04-24-2006, 07:34 PM

OK, there are some episodes I've missed, so maybe I'm out of the loop enough to be making a wrong assessment of this.

But, it seemed to me like Clark was way out of line. Lionel had just put a gun to his own head and pulled the trigger in order to save Martha. You'd think Clark would be able to respect that. I don't care what Clark's suspicions were regarding Lionel's motives and/or possible involvement in the "saw" game. They were just that: Suspicions. Unless Clark had any real proof that Lionel knew the gun was not loaded, then Clark should give Lionel some benefit of the doubt and show some respect for Lionel's willingness to sacrifice his own life to save Martha.

IMHO, Clark seems to now be making pigheaded assumptions about Lionel in the same way that Jonathan jumped to conclusions about Lex in the first couple seasons before Lex went bad.

Like I said, I have missed some episodes. Maybe there's some bad blood between Clark and Lionel that I'm not aware of. Maybe Lionel deserved to get an earful from Clark for some other reason, and Clark is only guilty of bad timing. Very bad timing, IMHO. Because after all, if you're going to chew someone out, it seems like you should at least not do it immediately after that person just volunteered to eat a bullet save your mom's life.

BadToad

04-24-2006, 08:26 PM

Umm, not for nothing, but Lionel has tried to kill Clark (Transference). He had him thrown into a vat of kryptonite-juice to forceably extract his memories. Lionel blackmailed Jonathan Kent about Clark's adoption. Lionel mind-zapped his own son. He tried to kill that same son. Lionel tried to kill Chloe. Lionel tried to blackmail Jonathan in Reckoning. Except for that last one, and thats a subjective call, Clark knows about all of these things. He knows that Lionel is a snake, and one seemingly noble gesture shouldn't erase all of the other things he's done. Clark was, IMO, absolutely, positively right in getting right up in Lionel's face and making it clear that he's not ready to fall for "I'm reformed, and good hearted" Lionel.

Keldaz

04-24-2006, 11:21 PM

Great done by clark but dont forget. Kryptonite!

You could see some hesitating in his eyes. Didnt you notice?

All about Clark

04-25-2006, 02:28 PM

Absolutely, BadToad. It's not just that, it's that even if he is reformed, he still put Martha in danger just having a friendship because of the failed Apex Takeover. Which means whatever intentions Lionel has, he will still do wrong, because that's really all he knows. Clark did absolutely the best thing he could do for his mother, regardless of Lionel's good intentions.

freakinsuper

04-25-2006, 02:36 PM

Post #60 of 60

lionel body is being used bi jor el but when this happens after jor el has used him lionel must remeber everything that is why lionel cannot expose clark because it would be pointless 4 jor el 2 have used his body if lionel would be a threat to clark.thats how he knows clarks name and that why he knows clark destiny.
I don,t think he meant give jonathan a heart attack in the barn but he wanted 2 explain he knew clark secert and that it was ok but jonathan could not handle it and took it personel not knowing that jor el is possesing lionel to help clark.
Also he knows about fortress of solitude and how the crystal formed clarks fortress.
this was a truly good episode it had 2 be since the last 2 or 3 episodes were really bad accept 4 the 1 with the brianiac in it.
i could go on 4 longer but i want until i get some feed back!

lionel feel good factor doing some good 4 the cause

and maybe a chance 2 bone martha

Lionel also swaped bodys with clark in 1 episode when he was in prison his spirit went into clarks body and clark spririt went in lionels bodyhe had all clarks power and from then on even when clark got his body back it changed lionel into a do gooder and the evil had been stripped from him!

The only thing with this episode it ripped off by the movie the saw 1 and 2 is there no copyright on that idea it was not so original!

lionel said in time you will trust him to clark and also maybe in time he might bone martha 2

TKFlash

04-25-2006, 11:42 PM

It is cool that Clark showed some backbone, but I don't think he should have threatened him. He already knew he could have done killed lionel, so why threaten him. Some people need to be intimidated in order to get there acts together but lionel has seen firsthand what clark can do. I think those "cant be my father" cpmments were harsh they weren't even necessary.