"Thank you, son." (Is Lionel Jor-El?)

[boogalou86]

Wow!...Okay was that Lionel...or Jor-El in Lionel?

[F-Stop Blues]

He's so JE. Argue all you want, he so is.

[MarkAllan22]

It's been Jor-El the whole time.

[charmedchick]

lionel

[mech-anic]

It's been lionel the whole time......

[mansuper]

both.

[Lone Soul]

No, LIONEL.
It would not be entertaining otherwise

[WhiteBoy20]

Lionel said this when Clark stopped the elevator. Clark hugged Martha and Lionel walked by Clark and said that. It has to be
Jor-El in there some where still. But we have a little bit of this episode left. Maybe We'll find outy why he said this after the episode. Till then I'd like to know what you think.

[cmm]

did anyone else think lionel was generally suprised when clark saved him??

[beefywellingtom]

That Was an EXCELLENT shot of Lionel and Clark looking each other eye to eye as he stops the elevator! The "thank you son" was the icing on the cake! LOVIN IT!!!

NOW THIS WAS A GOOD EPISODE!

[mech-anic]

I get it.....It has always been lionel but he must have been talked too by Jor-el during the coma....He knows clarks destiny and now he has proof.

[Lexgirl33]

I like the fact that Lionel knows everything, makes it more interesting between them

[charmedchick]

Its been lionel but jor el takes over his body once in awhile. thats what i time

[flcn6]

Im thinking that Lionel is having a bit of a identity crisis. He knows hes Lionel, but maybe part of Jor-el was imprinted on him. Thats why he wont expose the secret, and calls Clark son, and Kal-El sometimes

[commencement_rox]

i think it has been jor-el the whole time

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by cmm
did anyone else think lionel was generally suprised when clark saved him??

Yes, I did detect a note of genuine surprise when Clark stopped the elevator.

[AnimeJoe]

I think it's Lionel 101%... I don't think Jor-El would hide himself from Clark..

[FallenStar]

Originally posted by cmm
did anyone else think lionel was generally suprised when clark saved him??

The look on his face was priceless. As though he knew all along that Clark had powers, but seeing him in action was just unbelievable.

[clarksmuse]

^^^ No, F-Stop Blues, I'm not going to argue with you. I saw that, too! What an exciting end to the episode!

[AnimeJoe]

He's ALL Lionel to me.. Jor-El doesn't play games, I think he'd reveal himself again to his son if it were really him.

[watcher4]

IMHO, if Jor-El was testing his son he would not have revealed himself. Anyway, that scene was brilliantly acted by both JG and TW...IMHO, of course.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
I think it's Lionel 101%... I don't think Jor-El would hide himself from Clark..

Probably not, but I can't help but think the next time we see Lionel, we'll actually be hearing Jor-el. But it's funny how Lionel keeps call him "son". Interesting...

[Aloof]

I think it's Lion-El! :eek:

[watcher4]

Originally posted by beefywellingtom
That Was an EXCELLENT shot of Lionel and Clark looking each other eye to eye as he stops the elevator! The "thank you son" was the icing on the cake! LOVIN IT!!!

NOW THIS WAS A GOOD EPISODE!

I also thought that shot was exceptional.

IMHO, Lionel and Jor-El have inhabited the same body since Lionel held the crystal.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by watcher4
IMHO, Lionel and Jor-El have inhabited the same body since Lionel held the crystal.
Yep, I thought the same thing. But after tonight I think Jor-El leaves and returns to Lionel's body at different times.

[loislane123]

Ok so do you think Lionel is being a 'nice guy' now? Or is he up to something?

[TrevorH]

Good or Bad who knows, it all comes down to "evil"

[AverageJoe]

I think he's turned into a good guy...he's just bad at it so he seems evil and sinister all the time :p

[MBCorp]

I think Lionel is in the murky area in between.

[FallenStar]

i dont think it's that simple. . .Lionel will do good things, but with "questionable" motives.

[BoguszX]

Well depends on the Jor-El factor really. Weather he is or isnt or if its a random occupation of his body.
I believe he will be nice for the time being but there may be a possiblity of him acting up but who knows well get to see things unravel with each passing week.

[clarksmuse]

Well, didn't Lionel at the end of the episode tell Clark he's known his secret since he held the crystal that put him into the "coma"?

[watcher4]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
Well, didn't Lionel at the end of the episode tell Clark he's known his secret since he held the crystal that put him into the "coma"?

yes...the "contemplative repose"!

[BoguszX]

Hard question to answer and many ways to approach it.
Even as I try to type my answer to who it is I cant b/c of all the events.
Id have to go with Lionel-El since Im not sure :p

[Incus]

I was thinking the whole time that it is Jorel. It has to be...I think if we were to look back on the season, Lionel has been calling Clark "son" frequeuntly. It is Jorel.

[MBCorp]

I think Lionel is Lion-El sometimes but at other times he's himself.

[myankskent]

Yeah, Lionel keeps calling Clark "son". He said it again tonight. And if you think back to hidden, Clark asks Lionel at the fortress how he knows to call him KalEl, and Lionel says "Because you're my son." Could be a clue right there.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by watcher4
yes...the "contemplative repose"!

:lol: :lol: :lol: I loved that line! :lol: :lol:


Originally posted by MBCorp
I think Lionel is Lion-El sometimes but at other times he's himself.

I think after the cliffhanger-esque ending, I am beginning to think you've hit the nail on the head!

[smanfan69]

I think that Jor-El is inside of Lionel. At the very end of the episode it seems like Lionel is having some kind of a "headache". I believe that this is a result of Jor-El being inside of his body. It's like it's taking some kind of toll on his body.

[watcher4]

Originally posted by smanfan69
I think that Jor-El is inside of Lionel. At the very end of the episode it seems like Lionel is having some kind of a "headache". I believe that this is a result of Jor-El being inside of his body. It's like it's taking some kind of toll on his body.

Well, JK got a bum ticker from having super powers in order to bring Clark back from Metropolis.

[CallMeClark]

Good. All hail Lion-El for the finale!

[vyperman7]

Lionel will always be the villain in my opinion. I never bought his reformed act in S4 or this gray area that he always seems to be in now. They need to have him back to his full out MB ways, so that when Lex eventually takes over, they will be able to show just how much of a villain Lex really is.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I think Lionel is Lion-El sometimes but at other times he's himself.



I agree but it really seemed like Jor-El was seeing Clark doing something heroic and selfless for the first time and he was very proud.

[vyperman7]

Lionel being a vessel was cool at first. I was digging the Lion-El. But now they need to have Lionel be the villain again in my opinion. Especially since he has got the locks flowing again.

[wb-superman]

I think it had be Lionel the whole time.

[IVODARK]

I have not idea anymore. I just want the MB back!!!!

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by IVODARK
I have not idea anymore. I just want the MB back!!!!

I agree with you Ivan. I have never liked this gray area they had Lionel in with S4, and Lion-El was cool at first. But it definately started to get old pretty quick. I think they should have only had it take place in Hidden, and then after that, Lionel is back to his old ways. The fact that he knows the secret would be so much cooler if he was back to his old self and trying to use it against Clark for his own gain. I want to see him holding it over Clark's head.

What I can totally see happening is Lionel eventually kicking the bucket and somehow passing the info onto Lex via diary or something along those lines.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Lionel being a vessel was cool at first. I was digging the Lion-El. But now they need to have Lionel be the villain again in my opinion. Especially since he has got the locks flowing again.

I think we'll see the MB again before the end of the season... at least, I hope we do. Lionel looks like the evil, manipulative guy I've come to know and love/hate. I don't trust this "goodness" in Lionel... he's always been an evil creep.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
I think we'll see the MB again before the end of the season... at least, I hope we do. Lionel looks like the evil, manipulative guy I've come to know and love/hate. I don't trust this "goodness" in Lionel... he's always been an evil creep.

Definately. It is what made me love Lionel in the first place. He was a first class villain. I really want to see him holding the secret over Clark's head.

[wb-superman]

I guess Lionel is good. But Clark really don't trust him that much. I will have to wait next time. To see if Clark will trust him on the season finale.

[IVODARK]

I don't about that. I think Vessel is gonna focus on Lex becoming the ultimate MB. But is goona be hard for him to top the master.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by wb-superman
I guess Lionel is good. But Clark really don't trust him that much. I will have to wait next time. To see if Clark will trust him on the season finale.

I don't know that Clark will ever trust him....

And I agree with you, vyperman... Lionel's sheer evilness is what makes me like him as well... :D

[Crispin Glover]

Jor-El is using Lionel to make Clark in to the man he wants him to be so that at the end of the season he can make a Kryptonian decision without his human side confusing the strong and determined choice he has to make. Jor-El is glad that Clark got pissed at the end of the episode and confronted Lionel because Jor-El wants his son to be a fearless Kryptonian, Kal-El.

[watcher4]

That is kinda what I think too.

[Bobbie]

Both..........

[kostaki00]

Maybe...
But if not, it's still nice to know that Lionel knows and wont expose him

[fanatic]

I dont think it was jorel . I think it was lionel. Jor-el would not have chosen to kill himself instead of martha. Jor-el has said several times that the people clark knows on earth have served their purpose so I don;t but into him saying the line about him needing martha to become the man the world so desperately needs.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Lionel being a vessel was cool at first. I was digging the Lion-El. But now they need to have Lionel be the villain again in my opinion. Especially since he has got the locks flowing again.



I dont know, I kinda like what he's doing now. He's sticking it to Lex which is my favorite thing to see. I think Lex will kill him anyway though and Clark will be the one who is distraught.

[moe2death]

no cause if it was jor-el inside lionel wouldnt he have all the krypotian powers and he would of been able to save himself from all the killers games in a sec. i dunno im confused

[Billy Jor-El]

It's being bantered back and forth. Lion-El is the best description, I think they're both in there. What would Clark think? At this point what good feelings does he have for Jor-El? He's caused the death of Jonathon (even if through Clark's errors) and has led him to believe that his destiny was to rule Earth, and that Jor-El is evil. Yes, Clark could put Lionel and Jor-El into Lion-El, he thinks they' both evil and distrusts them both. When he truly embraces his destiny, we shall see, my Son....

[cmm]

If lionel is Jor- EL does that mean the other voice that took away his father is general Zod?

[hassenmorad]

Who was it in this episode?

I think it was Jor-El, especially with Lionel calling Clark "son" so much.

[ClarkSupportsOrganic]

My theory:
Jor-El could have technically had power over Lionel since his possession but I think that post Hidden all of Lionel's actions have been Lionel alone. Jor-El would not go after Martha Kent or play mind games with Lex.

I agree with people that Jor-El could be overshadowing Lionel once again though at the end of the episode

[Antithesis]

I think it's been Lionel mostly, but Jor-El is in there and each personality is fighting for control of Lionel's body.

[snafu2dj]

It was Lionel with the knowledge of Jorel. He cared way too much about Martha to not be Lionel. Jorel has no reason to care about Martha or her well being.

[shadowcat20x]

I think it was Lionel.

How would he know all that stuff about the company, and about playing chess with Lex?

And his statement that he knew Clark's secret ever since he was in the coma, if he were Jor-El wouldn't he say he always knew?

Plus Jor-El wouldn't have the hots for Martha.

And he told Martha that she should live to help Clark's destiny. Hasn't Jor-El been trying to take Clark away from his family for several years?

And why would he go through the agony of the game, almost letting Martha die in the tank, if he had super powers?

[vikingjedi]

I think Zod (pretending to be Jor-El) is communicating through Lionel from the FOS.

Let me make that clearer:

Jor-El = Zod

Zod is communicating through Lionel from the FOS.

[SVSpector]

I think it is Lionel, but having the memories of Jor'El let with him knowing how important Clark is to the world. He is the son any man could be proud of, just as Lionel said.

[Shadow09]

It's a combination of the two. Lionel on his own throughout most of the episode. But when Lionel called Clark son the first time it was Jor-el in my opinion.

But the second time in Lionel's office that was no dout Lionel. Also Lionel addmiting to the harsh truth that he will never live up to Pa Kents legacy as a father.

[kal-el_Girl]

I think it was both, jor-el and lionel, because the body has lionel's memories too. and at the end when clark left and lionel gets this awful headache, & starts to write krypton messages. good eppy

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

I voted not sure.

I think there may be some "remanant" of Jor-El's affect on Lion-El.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by shadowcat20x
I think it was Lionel.

How would he know all that stuff about the company, and about playing chess with Lex?

And his statement that he knew Clark's secret ever since he was in the coma, if he were Jor-El wouldn't he say he always knew?

Plus Jor-El wouldn't have the hots for Martha.

And he told Martha that she should live to help Clark's destiny. Hasn't Jor-El been trying to take Clark away from his family for several years?

And why would he go through the agony of the game, almost letting Martha die in the tank, if he had super powers?

Very true. However, if Jor-el was inhabiting Lionel's body, wouldn't he have access of all of Lionel's memories and experiences? That being said, I think it probably was Lionel doing most of the talking in this episode...

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

I thought that is what I was infering myself, when I posted there is a "remanant" of Jor-El's affect if Lionel is doing most of the talking.

I still believe it, seeing at the end Lionel started to get pained as he grabbed his head and started writing a message.....no doubt the Kryptonian Code "SuperChloe" would decipher.

[Nerial]

I believe it's Lionel, but he's had interventions with two Kryptonians, and that's gotta have an effect.

First, in Transference. After Clark and Lionel switched back, there was no doubt that Lionel was Lionel; however, Clark's presence influenced his personality.

Now, with Jor-El having possessed Lionel, he's also getting a similar after-effect, except this time he remembers them.

It's still Lionel--it has to be. Jor-El wouldn't be pinning after Martha, interested in Lex at all, or suiting up to be a business man, especially with Fine zipping all over the place. Plus, if it is Jor-El--where did his super-powers go? They would have been nice to have during the whole, "let's play a game," dilemma in this episode.

I put Lionel, but I'm definitely not ruling out Jor-El's influence. Especially at the end where he starts writing, "The Krypton Code."

[AdamG1823]

It was Jor-El...didn't you see Lionel scabeling to write down everything that was said so he could remember.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

From my perspective.....Bottom Line:

Kryptoninan Influence....cause and effects and affects!

[Watching Smallville]

I think it's Lionel. His reactions to Martha and Lex are based in Lionel's relationships with them. But I think that having been inhabited by Jor-El, he experienced Jor-El's fatherly feelings toward Clark, and those feelings left a residue. So Lionel is expressing Jor-El's feelings, which IMO have come to be Lionel's feelings as well.

[Nerial]

Originally posted by AdamG1823
It was Jor-El...didn't you see Lionel scabeling to write down everything that was said so he could remember.

Well...the last guy that got a 'Kryptonian download' (cant' recall his name; the linguist from Season 2), tried to kill Clark, and certainly wasn't Jor-El. He found out about Clark, and could read Kryptonian (he understood the cave walls).

I'm not saying Jor-El hasn't influenced Lionel. But, Lionel is still doing all the things Lionel would do--business man, going for Martha, treating his employees like crap...

That's not Jor-El's personality. Besides, who says he's writing anything so he'll remember? Maybe he's been infected with so much Kryptonian info, that it's a compulsion to try to get it out. We don't know yet.

...or, to play on your idea, maybe he's getting a message from Jor-El who's in the Fottress, and he's writing it down so he'll remember that for later. I mean, Clark had that buzzing sound from the crystals that forced him to instinctly run after them (in Transference, Sacred, Crusade, and Commencement). That doesn't mean he was possessed; it means that something was forcing him to do this one thing.

Plus, why would Jor-El be shocked to see Clark use his abilities in the elevator? Lionel was speechless, and in awe. He was a human looking at this other being perform an impossible act. Great scene, BTW. :)


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I think it's Lionel. His reactions to Martha and Lex are based in Lionel's relationships with them. But I think that having been inhabited by Jor-El, he experienced Jor-El's fatherly feelings toward Clark, and those feelings left a residue. So Lionel is expressing Jor-El's feelings, which IMO have come to be Lionel's feelings as well.

Oh...I like the way you put that. That's exactly what I'm thinking. It's still Lionel, but Jor-El previously possessing him influenced his personality. Nicely said. :)

[Krypton935]

It has been Jor-El since the end of Hidden

[Spoon AZ]

I think he's being used as a Vessel for Jor-El. Pun intended.

And having that kind of connection leaves an imprint of shared knowledge.

So I think Lionel is still Lionel. But he knows what Jor-El knows, and when ever Jor-El needs to use Lionel he will. Hence the possessed writing at the end of Mercy. And the crazy talk in Arrival "Disciples of Zod" yadda yadda.

[*And he shall fly*]

im not sure i mean did you see the way lionel was crying when martha was in trouble it just doesn't seem jor-elish to me

[jim[beam]]

It's not Jor El , it's Zod

-jim

[*And he shall fly*]

but would zod cry over martha?
i still think its just lionel

[jim[beam]]

he is playing us all

[clark25]

I have a felling it was little bit of residue of Jor-EL talking to clark there for a bit at
the end then he turned back into lionel
when Clark said I am not your son.Anywho
its going get perty interesting the next
few episodes up untill the season finale

[Keyser Soze]

Both but with lionel in control.

If it was Jor-el he could of used Jor-el's powers.

[watcher4]

How could Lionel be in control of Jor-El...a Kryptonian from a far advanced race?

[8SMALLFAN8]

I think it at some points he is Jor-El, others he is Lionel. But I cannot say for sure, as I don't know.

[elroyofkrypton]

I think we have a parallel in the situation of Jonathan Kent and Lionel Luthor. Both are going to die (one already has) from their acquisition of superpowers without underlying Kryptonian structure. The episode where Lionel whisks Clark to the FOS is far more taxing to a mortal body than Jonathan Kent's short time as a Superman. Lionel will eventually kick the bucket, and the real treat is seeing how this will interface with Braniac and Zod. Jor-El is not going to stand by and watch Fine and Company put the hurt on his son. We will soon see exactly what Jor-El's effect on Lionel is.

Can't wait to see the last two eps!!!

[xrayvision]

I wonder if that's what those pills were for. I think he's keeping it a secret, but wouldn't Lex know that Lionel is ailing?

[tibbit78]

Yes, I think Jor-el was in Lionel, because he called Clark Kal-el, and he mentioned Clark's Fortress of Solitude. Only Jor-El knows about Clark's Fortress of Solitude and calling him Jor-el.

[Smokethatkryptonite]

If Lionel is still being possessed by Jor-el then he (Jor-El) is only doing so for time to time because it is Lionel who loves Martha (watch insurgerance and Transferance for proof) not Jor-El. I think Lionel remembered the entire possession from the first three season 5 episodes arc and that's how he knew the secret and knew Clark was Kal-el and at the end of Mercy Jor-el was taking over again or trying to.

[xrayvision]

Lionel also knows about the FOS since the crystal that put him in the trance gave him all the knowledge he has now.

There's no way he was 100% Jor-El in that episode. If he were, he would have used his powers to take out that masked guy. I think if Jor-El had any impact on him, it was when he started having those convulsions.

[elroyofkrypton]

Lionel was reaching for some medication in his coat pocket at the beginning of MERCY, and was interrupted by the Man in the Alcoa Aluminum Mask. Then at the end we see him really having a sudden attack that causes him to write something. Could that something actually be a message from Jor-El to Lionel, instructions of some kind? Or is Lionel FIGHTING to remain in control, seeking by medication to keep Jor-El from using him as a VESSEL?

Of course, Lionel is toast, but man, Smallville would be diminished without John Glover. Jonathan Kent can come back as a ghost and has a continuing influence on Clark, but where do we imagine Lionel's ghost would be after his demise? They don't give weekend passes in Hell!

I hope some sort of redemption is in store for Lionel before his death.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

I believe I indicated this that the affects could be a manifestation of "dual personalities" from the Vessel/Oracle" effect!

[tjpw fanatic]

It has to be Jor-El! As much of an MB as Lionel is, he wouldnt call Clark son. He just wouldnt. How else do you explain the sound in his head?

[Watching Smallville]

If it was Jor-El, there wouldn't be a painful sound in his head. I think that's what Lionel feels when Jor-El is sending him messages.

[hahnyc87]

You guys are insane, it is lionel- he says thank you son to everyone

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Perhaps that was the headache....a precursor to Jor-El affect of sending out Kryptonian messages thru is Vessel which is Lion-El.

Either way the bottom line is:

~A Kryptonian Influence~

[All about Clark]

I think Lionel is Lionel, the pills were some high grade aspirin for headaches and you all like to make so much more of everything then there really is.

Jor-el only took over Lionel in Hidden. Maybe Lionel can ask questions to Jor-el and get answers, but Lionel is still Lionel.

Also there was no sound in Lionel's head (we heard nothing), it was pain, as in a pounding headache. His plan failed and his own reaction caused his headache.

Also, if the show states he got his information from the crystal in his comatose state, then why don't you all believe that.

[Nerial]

Originally posted by tjpw fanatic
It has to be Jor-El! As much of an MB as Lionel is, he wouldnt call Clark son. He just wouldnt. How else do you explain the sound in his head?

You did see Lionel after Transference in the 4th Season, right? He wasn't being a MB for over half the season because Clark's presence in his body had influenced him. Clark wasn't POSSESSING him during that time period, though.

Now it's Lionel influenced by Jor-El and that crystal. He was a MB in Cyborg by scaring Martha, and he was a plain old 'B' with the way he was trying his employees during this entire episode. Why would Jor-El care about LuthorCorp's business or going after Martha?

Plus, why woud Jor-El have pain in his head if he was in control of Lionel? I don't know what the headache and the writing truly was, but I'm guessing Lionel is either getting a message from Jor-El, or he's been infected with so much Kryptonian info, it's killing him and he's reacting to it with fits like those.

I'm not saying Lionel is the same MB he was in Season 3. But, it's still very much Lionel.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by All about Clark
I think Lionel is Lionel, the pills were some high grade aspirin for headaches and you all like to make so much more of everything then there really is.

Jor-el only took over Lionel in Hidden. Maybe Lionel can ask questions to Jor-el and get answers, but Lionel is still Lionel.

Also there was no sound in Lionel's head (we heard nothing), it was pain, as in a pounding headache. His plan failed and his own reaction caused his headache.

Also, if the show states he got his information from the crystal in his comatose state, then why don't you all believe that.


Agreed and correct!;)

[AnimeJoe]

I agree 1000% that Lionel was simply just Lionel. Not an ounce of Jor-El anywhere near him in that episode..

As for him calling Clark, "son", well Lionel wouldn't be the first person to call someone who wasn't related to him, "son". I've come across a lot of people in life who refer to others as son.. So Lionel's use of the word "son" means absolutely nothing to me.


Yes, I think Jor-el was in Lionel, because he called Clark Kal-el, and he mentioned Clark's Fortress of Solitude. Only Jor-El knows about Clark's Fortress of Solitude and calling him Jor-el.

Jor-El would have absolutely NO reason to recap the creation of the Fortress of Solitude, Clark was there, he witnessed it himself.

Jor-El isn't the only person on Smallville to ever refer to Clark as Kal-El... There's been a handful of people who referred to Clark as Kal-El.

[elroyofkrypton]

I think I, personally, am being highly subjective in my wish for a good ending for the character of Lionel Luthor because I LIKE John Glover so much. He's such a good actor. He raises the level of the playing field in any episode in which he is given a substantial role. MERCY is no exception. Whatever the fault of TPTB, their casting of John Glover as the main heavy, and John Schneider as the antithesis of that villain, could not have been better. Good Father vs. Bad Father, a true picture of the influence of fathers on their sons. A real master stroke!

[GooN]

he is both. jor-el posesses him whenever he needs to/will need to.
lex is jealius cos dad's got a new son, jor-el's jealous cos clark loved his fake dad more than him. people don't like their own fathers these days, what is the smallvorld comin to?

[Daphne]

Jor-El is dead. This whole story line is lame.

[mellowyellow]

it's SOOOOO lionel

bsides, he's the kind of guy that calls everybody "son" for no reason

[jim[beam]]

Maybe it was Jor-El not using his powers to force Clark using his powers in front of him.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Daphne
Jor-El is dead. This whole story line is lame.



Yeah but he "downloaded" his "soul" into those crystals in the FOS plus he can never really die because he's part of the FOS. I guess thats lame but its always been like that in the movies and the comics. I mean in the comics nobody stays dead, Jason Todd, Bucky, Hal Jordan, Ollie Queen. I even bet that Sue Dibny will make a comeback. Also Zod isnt dead. He's in sort of a extended hybernation type thing in the PZ.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Yeah but he "downloaded" his "soul" into those crystals in the FOS plus he can never really die because he's part of the FOS. I guess thats lame but its always been like that in the movies and the comics. I mean in the comics nobody stays dead, Jason Todd, Bucky, Hal Jordan, Ollie Queen. I even bet that Sue Dibny will make a comeback. Also Zod isnt dead. He's in sort of a extended hybernation type thing in the PZ.

I actually like what they're doing with Jason Todd. The one guy who will probably never return is Barry Allen since he was made into DC's saint.

[kalel_of_mongibello]

often jorel (lately sure), everynow and then lionel. I wonder what he wrote and why the sudden headache? Split personality! Wow smallville gets psyco.

Keep rocking Kalel!

[Daphne]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Yeah but he "downloaded" his "soul" into those crystals in the FOS plus he can never really die because he's part of the FOS. I guess thats lame but its always been like that in the movies and the comics. I mean in the comics nobody stays dead, Jason Todd, Bucky, Hal Jordan, Ollie Queen. I even bet that Sue Dibny will make a comeback. Also Zod isnt dead. He's in sort of a extended hybernation type thing in the PZ.

It's true in the comics anyone can come back. But I wasn't aware that Jor-El had downloaded his soul into the FOS. In Superman The Movie, I thought he recorded himself to play back to Clark as a teaching tool about his history. It just seems too much Jor-El to me......

[xrayvision]

I know what you mean. Jor-El has done more as a dead man than as an alive one.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by Daphne
It's true in the comics anyone can come back. But I wasn't aware that Jor-El had downloaded his soul into the FOS. In Superman The Movie, I thought he recorded himself to play back to Clark as a teaching tool about his history. It just seems too much Jor-El to me......



I always thought he was part of the FOS. I guess he could have just left Clark with a few "life lessons" without actually being living part of the Fortress.


Originally posted by xrayvision
The one guy who will probably never return is Barry Allen since he was made into DC's saint.


Well Barry's popped up from time to time. He's not really dead, he's just part of the speed force. He showed up in Infinite Crisis #5.

[Pal-El]

I think its still Lionel but he has access to the krytponian knowledge from the crystal.

A body that has access to that knowledge would be perfect for Jor-El to inhabit.

Since it is debatable that Jor-el was the one who put the stones on earth in the first place, (i think it was him) it makes sense that he designed the water stone to stone to download a person with all that knowledge to inhabit.

Like Lionel said, his coma was more a 'state of contemplative repose' as if he was learning the info while catatonic or his body was absorbing it a la Dr Walden.
I also think its doing a lot of damage to his body even if he doesnt appear to have the abilities of Jor-El.

[Daphne]

New description of an episode I read says Lionel is "channeling Jor-El again." So I guess that is the deal.

[Pal-El]

So he wasnt Jor-El when the madmantoothgapguy was playing games with him and Martha.

He only channels him as and when Clark needs him;)

[Daphne]

I think what he is writing is time and place of when he starts channeling so he can figure out how long he's out, or channeling Jor-El.

[Keldaz]

HEs the both. I tihnk the letter he wrote was a kryptonian message. Something to do with the space ship. :/

[Crispin Glover]

It was both

[watcher4]

Originally posted by pal-el
the madmantoothgapguy


I love it!!:lol:

[heavens_cry]

I think somethimes it L but latley it has been JE

[watcher4]

Could it be possible that he could be a combination of the two- that somehow the two have meshed together?

[Karen26]

just what i was thinking we will just have to wait and see

[christian_kryptonian]

It's Lionel. Son is just an expression from older men to younger men. If you recall they use this many times in the series. I can think of one off the top of my head. In the season 4 finale Jonathan tells Jason to, "Just put the gun down son" and there are more I just can't think of them. I think Linel is looking after Clark in the ways he thinks he can. That's why he uses this term a lot.

[kryptonite_123]

i think when lionel says stuff "son" he means it because he knows clarks secret and proberbly thinks better of clark then does of his own son lex, it kinda weird,

[Nimkong]

It was lionel beacause he respects clark now for knowing his heroic deeds