computer skills

[Hendo]

So when did Chloe from Smallville turn into Chloe from 24 lol

[Juaninzze]

DUDE THAT **** WAS DUMB AS HELL!!

I was yelling all throught that the stuff she was trying to do cant be done that easy and in that much time...

[TrevorH]

One of Clarks abilities, Lexs Porshe is faster than Clarks truck afterall.

[Cookie 28]

She can do it all.

[Juaninzze]

Originally posted by Cookie 28
She can do it all.

She cant do nothing...did you see that stuff isnt real she cant do that.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Juaninzze
She cant do nothing...did you see that stuff isnt real she cant do that.

IT'S A SHOW ABOUT A BOY FROM ANOTHER PLANET WHO CAN LIFT TRACTORS AND WILL ONE DAY FLY. Unrealistic computer hacking is not exactly something you can complain about if you're willing to believe the rest.

[charmedchick]

yeah i never figured chloe to be a computer whiz

[commencement_rox]

yea she seems more like a snoopy reporter who would not be a computer whiz who traces phone calls and videos

[bluegayle]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
IT'S A SHOW ABOUT A BOY FROM ANOTHER PLANET WHO CAN LIFT TRACTORS AND WILL ONE DAY FLY. Unrealistic computer hacking is not exactly something you can complain about if you're willing to believe the rest.

Heh, love your statement. Very true.

Believe all the rest because well, we already believe Clark's story.

[pork]

Of course everything Chloe was doing was impossible to accomplish in such little time but her acting was so superb that it was believable. Someone get that girl an Oscar. Oscars are for movies? Well, Allison Mack needs an Oscar. She was that good.

[chole_fan]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
IT'S A SHOW ABOUT A BOY FROM ANOTHER PLANET WHO CAN LIFT TRACTORS AND WILL ONE DAY FLY. Unrealistic computer hacking is not exactly something you can complain about if you're willing to believe the rest.

:rotfl:

Sometimes you just have to be able to suspend your sense of reality and enjoy the show!

[attitudejc]

i agree that it was a little fast to come up with all that stuff, but, its been like that all though smallville, and not just with chloe.

[Aloof]

Chloe is the new Lois Lane, people!

[angelfire east]

I'm so sick of Chloe's endless impossible to accomplish in such little time computer skills.

[chlarklove]

Um, are you all forgetting about Hidden? Ya know the ep where Gabriel, the computer tech guy who helped Chloe out at the Torch, was in it, and hacked the MILITARY'S computer system to override NUCLEAR MISSILES? She has always been good with computers, but she learned a good majority of her hacking skillz from Gabriel. Hidden told us that.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I'm so sick of Chloe's endless impossible to accomplish in such little time computer skills.

We agree on this. It's getting old!

[MBCorp]

Eh, Chloe's just become a plot device this season. I grow tired of her implausible computer skills but they are needed for the plot to move along. I'm just glad that Clark has actually been saving the day in the last two episodes and not Chloe.

[LastingChlarker]

It's nothing new, so I'm often puzzled as to why people harp on it so much. Chloe's like the Willow of the show (Willow, who overnight became a witch with incredible powers haha). She's always been doing slightly impossible things. But then again, as someone posted, look at the premise of the show. It's to be expected.

And I think Allison Mack did a good job with her scenes.

[cotton candy girl]

Some people think it's ridiculous that Chloe can do just about anything; and they have a right to.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
We agree on this. It's getting old!

Really, really, really old.

[scoff]

Chloe's skills are/seem impossible, but like others I'm willing to suspend reality for an hour and if those amazing skills give Chloe more scenes then I'll all for 'em.

[cotton candy girl]

And I'm all aginst them, but that's just me.

[attitudejc]

so this is one out of a million things that are impossible on smallville. ......hmm, do you think they could fit a million threads on here....?

[afro_maestro]

Originally posted by chlarklove
Um, are you all forgetting about Hidden? Ya know the ep where Gabriel, the computer tech guy who helped Chloe out at the Torch, was in it, and hacked the MILITARY'S computer system to override NUCLEAR MISSILES? She has always been good with computers, but she learned a good majority of her hacking skillz from Gabriel. Hidden told us that.

exactly, so why r u all *****ing? even if they didn't lead up to it throughout the season......so what? sum1 said they didn't use imagination and ripped off saw, and now they're using imagination to make Chloe a super-hacker or w.e, but it's bad??? w/e. this is a dumb thread.

[Deana]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I'm so sick of Chloe's endless impossible to accomplish in such little time computer skills.

I know I'm tired of it. This season she's shaking the core of Lanaville making it Chloeville and all I want to see is Clarkville. Both characters are holding him back this season.

Clark doesn't get to be the "investigative reporter," or even appear smart because that's Chloe's slot and we all know how the Lana drama has rendered him ineffective.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Some people think it's ridiculous that Chloe can do just about anything; and they have a right to.

Agreed. I agree with MBCorp Clark has just become a plot device this season and she use to be so much more.

It use to not bouther me but as time goes on and she gets more and more impossibly good at everything and even becomes more of a hero then Clark at times then I'm competely sick on it.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Deana
I know I'm tired of it. This season she's shaking the core of Lanaville making it Chloeville and all I want to see is Clarkville. Both characters are holding him back this season.

Clark doesn't get to be the "investigative reporter," or even appear smart because that's Chloe's slot and we all know how the Lana drama has rendered him ineffective.

Yeah, that's one of my complaints about the whole thing, that Chloe is so wonderful at everything that she's holding Clark back. Plus, like I said, she's not so much a character anymore as just a plot device they stick in whenever they need Clark to find something out.

[biggkoz]

1.21 JIGAWATTS...1.21 JIGAWATTS !!!

[amberdawn]

My thoughts were, "Man, they are making it so she can do anything and everything." I mean, she makes it seem simple to hack into things like that. I guess for her it is.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Agreed. I agree with MBCorp Clark has just become a plot device this season and she use to be so much more.

It use to not bouther me but as time goes on and she gets more and more impossibly good at everything and even becomes more of a hero then Clark at times then I'm competely sick on it.

I agree. I like Chloe, but it's ridiculous how stupid she makes Clark look this season.

[IVODARK]

Agreed. She's became a plot device. But she is cute and fairly smart, and SHE IS NOT LANA. Remember? The martial artist/cheerleader/astronomer/coffee shop owner/artist. Jeez!!

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Deana
I know I'm tired of it. This season she's shaking the core of Lanaville making it Chloeville and all I want to see is Clarkville. Both characters are holding him back this season.

Clark doesn't get to be the "investigative reporter," or even appear smart because that's Chloe's slot and we all know how the Lana drama has rendered him ineffective.

I agree and I agree with you too MBCorp, cotton candy girl

[watcher4]

Originally posted by Deana
I know I'm tired of it. This season she's shaking the core of Lanaville making it Chloeville and all I want to see is Clarkville. Both characters are holding him back this season.

Clark doesn't get to be the "investigative reporter," or even appear smart because that's Chloe's slot and we all know how the Lana drama has rendered him ineffective.

So, are you saying that both characters need to die?:confused:

[LastingChlarker]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Some people think it's ridiculous that Chloe can do just about anything; and they have a right to.

Never said the contrary. But other people have the same right to have differing opinions. Right?

Opinions make the world go around. :)

[watcher4]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Agreed. She's became a plot device. But she is cute and fairly smart, and SHE IS NOT LANA. Remember? The martial artist/cheerleader/astronomer/coffee shop owner/artist. Jeez!!

You forgot acquistrian (sp?)

[IVODARK]

Hey, nobody needs to die. They just need to develop Clark a little bit more and make better use of his abilities in general.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by LastingChlarker
Never said the contrary. But other people have the same right to have differing opinions. Right?

Opinions make the world go around. :)

I never said the contrary. :) But someone had asked why we were complaining.

[watcher4]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Hey, nobody needs to die. They just need to develop Clark a little bit more and make better use of his abilities in general.

I definitely agree!!

[WriteAngel]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Agreed. She's became a plot device. But she is cute and fairly smart, and SHE IS NOT LANA. Remember? The martial artist/cheerleader/astronomer/coffee shop owner/artist. Jeez!!


agree with you here....more unbelievable than chloe. At least chloe's consistant. Though we're in the fifth season and clark hasnt grown much....while everyone else in the show has('cept lana) It ticks me off,when any character takes screen time from the clark/lex dynamic :(

[cotton candy girl]

The things Lana has done don't even compare to how ridiculous the things are that Chloe can do. Plus please do NOT makke this a Lana vs. Chloe thread.

[myankskent]

I made another thread about this and then saw this one. I know that Chloe can hack into databases, which is unrealistic enough, but this is insane. You're telling me that she can find signals and triangulate them and stuff. Reporters can't do this, Information technology people can. I laughed when she started going into her whole technical mumbo jumbo. That was absurd.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by chlarklove
Um, are you all forgetting about Hidden? Ya know the ep where Gabriel, the computer tech guy who helped Chloe out at the Torch, was in it, and hacked the MILITARY'S computer system to override NUCLEAR MISSILES? She has always been good with computers, but she learned a good majority of her hacking skillz from Gabriel. Hidden told us that.

It really doesn't matter to some fans if they remember or not chlarklove. Accepting that a visitor from another planet can run to Honduras in 2 seconds doesn't get a thread. But somehow it is streching the limits of story telling when faster than reality computors skills are used.:rolleyes:
I know I don't want real time events that only serve to make the episode hours longer, boring and meanlingless. I'll accept the faster than usual computor skills for the sake of moving an episode along and keeping it interesting over realistic any day! ;)

[Deana]

Originally posted by watcher4
So, are you saying that both characters need to die?:confused:

No they don't need to die. I just want the writers to remember Clark Kent.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by WriteAngel
agree with you here....more unbelievable than chloe. At least chloe's consistant. Though we're in the fifth season and clark hasnt grown much....while everyone else in the show has('cept lana) It ticks me off,when any character takes screen time from the clark/lex dynamic :(

Chloe's consistant? She is a reporter doing thing that a person with an IT degree can't do. There is no one on this show that can do more things than Chloe, especially when it relates to a field that she should know nothing about. Plus, let's remember that she is a freshman in college.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by myankskent
I made another thread about this and then saw this one. I know that Chloe can hack into databases, which is unrealistic enough, but this is insane. You're telling me that she can find signals and triangulate them and stuff. Reporters can't do this, Information technology people can. I laughed when she started going into her whole technical mumbo jumbo. That was absurd.

Ah, myankskent. It's like "give me a break"; this is Smallville, but the absurdity level of the fact that she can so ridiculous things...


Originally posted by myankskent
Chloe's consistant? She is a reporter doing thing that a person with an IT degree can't do. There is no one on this show that can do more things than Chloe, especially when it relates to a field that she should know nothing about. Plus, let's remember that she is a freshman in college.

All I can say is....Word.

[F-Stop Blues]

Unfortunetly I've come to the realization that Chloe can hack kryptonian technology so im sure she will somehow hack into Braniac and destroy him. :(

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Unfortunetly I've come to the realization that Chloe can hack kryptonian technology so im sure she will somehow hack into Braniac and destroy him. :(

:lol:

[watcher4]

Don't make this another Chloe vs. Lana thread! The mods will close it if you people are not careful.

[WangTang]

doesn't Clark have a "computer like brain" as superman is always said to have. I would of thought he would of worked faster if he had done it.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Ah myankskent. It's like "give me a break"; this is Smallville, but the absurdity level of the fact that she can so ridiculous things, geez.

It's just getting way out of hand. Maybe Brainiac should hire her to fix his spacecraft. Check out this dialogue, which might actually happen.

Brainiac: Ah, Chloe. I have a problem. Zod didn't supply me with the proper information to repair the craft. Do you think you can give it a look.

Chloe: Sure, as a matter of fact, I think I know whats wrong. The signal from the cockpit is not being triangulated to Krypton. Let me type in some sample signals, the only problem is, it's going to take 2 minutes. Do you have time?

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by watcher4
Don't make this another Chloe vs. Lana thread! The mods will close it if you people are not careful.


Right!


Originally posted by myankskent
It's just getting way out of hand. Maybe Brainiac should hire her to fix his spacecraft. Check out this dialogue, which might actually happen.

Brainiac: Ah, Chloe. I have a problem. Zod didn't supply me with the proper information to repair the craft. Do you think you can give it a look.

Chloe: Sure, as a matter of fact, I think I know whats wrong. The signal from the cockpit is not being triangulated to Krypton. Let me type in some sample signals, the only problem is, it's going to take 2 minutes. Do you have time?

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Unfortunetly I've come to the realization that Chloe can hack kryptonian technology so im sure she will somehow hack into Braniac and destroy him. :(

The sad thing is that I wouldn't be at all surprised if this happened.:\

[CallMeClark]

Big deal, so what. You can learn how to do that stuff one semester in an Advanced College class. It is simple GPS tracking really.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Big deal, so what. You can learn how to do that stuff one semester in an Advanced College class. It is simple GPS tracking really.

Wonder when she took that course while she has been off helping Clark by breaking into databases and off working at the daily planet. Maybe she injects herself with knowledge, and that is how she can do all of these things.

[WangTang]

the rel question is how did a security guard afford 100s of thousands of dollars in death traps and gadgets.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by myankskent
It's just getting way out of hand. Maybe Brainiac should hire her to fix his spacecraft. Check out this dialogue, which might actually happen.

Brainiac: Ah, Chloe. I have a problem. Zod didn't supply me with the proper information to repair the craft. Do you think you can give it a look.

Chloe: Sure, as a matter of fact, I think I know whats wrong. The signal from the cockpit is not being triangulated to Krypton. Let me type in some sample signals, the only problem is, it's going to take 2 minutes. Do you have time?

:lol: Funny thing is, this dialogue sounds possible; sounds like Chloe alright.

[IVODARK]

Well, Chloe's cumputer skills are unrealistic, but at least it's has been so since season one. That's continuity in my book (lol). Same with the alien who can run to honduras in under 2 secs.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by myankskent
It's just getting way out of hand. Maybe Brainiac should hire her to fix his spacecraft. Check out this dialogue, which might actually happen.

Brainiac: Ah, Chloe. I have a problem. Zod didn't supply me with the proper information to repair the craft. Do you think you can give it a look.

Chloe: Sure, as a matter of fact, I think I know whats wrong. The signal from the cockpit is not being triangulated to Krypton. Let me type in some sample signals, the only problem is, it's going to take 2 minutes. Do you have time?

:rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm laughing but I still wouldn't be surprised if something similar to this actually happened on the show.

[chlarklove]

It really doesn't matter to some fans if they remember or not chlarklove.

*facepalm* Silly me. Whatever was I thinking? Using ACTUAL SHOW CANON and the fact that Chloe has been good with computers for FIVE seasons, it's just she's gotten PROGRESSIVELY better over the years (it seems like it's overkill cause she knows Clark's secret so she's helping solve all the cases now). Remind me to never do that again. :p


Accepting that a visitor from another planet can run to Honduras in 2 seconds doesn't get a thread. But somehow it is streching the limits of story telling when faster than reality computors skills are used.

Amen sister.


There is no one on this show that can do more things than Chloe, especially when it relates to a field that she should know nothing about.

So, just because she wants to be a reporter that means she can't have any other interests/hobbies? Okay then.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by WangTang
the rel question is how did a security guard afford 100s of thousands of dollars in death traps and gadgets.

Another ridiculous thing, but I can live with that. Chloe does these ridiculous things episode after episode. Everyone that I was watching this show with was laughing when she went through all of that technical garbage. It's like watching the 1960's batman tv shows where Batman always went through that technical crap to get the villain. This is even more ridiculous than that.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by MBCorp
:rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm laughing but I still wouldn't be surprised if something similar to this actually happened on the show.

I know, I just said that too. :lol:

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Unfortunetly I've come to the realization that Chloe can hack kryptonian technology so im sure she will somehow hack into Braniac and destroy him. :(

You know I wonldn't be supprised if something like that ends up happeneing with the way things are going now.

[LastingChlarker]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Well, Chloe's cumputer skills are unrealistic, but at least it's has been so since season one. That's continuity in my book (lol). Same with the alien who can run to honduras in under 2 secs.

Ditto that haha

If Chloe had woken up one day and all of a sudden was doing these things, then I'd agree with everyone. But she was introduced that way and is still that way. So hey...what the heck...use it. haha

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by LastingChlarker
Ditto that haha

If Chloe had woken up one day and all of a sudden was doing these things, then I'd agree with everyone. But she was introduced that way and is still that way. So hey...what the heck...use it. haha

Nah, it pretty much got ridiculous this season.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by chlarklove
*facepalm* Silly me. Whatever was I thinking? Using ACTUAL SHOW CANON and the fact that Chloe has been good with computers for FIVE seasons, it's just she's gotten PROGRESSIVELY better over the years (it seems like it's overkill cause she knows Clark's secret so she's helping solve all the cases now). Remind me to never do that again. :p



Amen sister.



So, just because she wants to be a reporter that means she can't have any other interests/hobbies? Okay then.

Interests/hobbies. Can we not justify the fact that Chloe knows how to do these things and just call it ridiculous. No one at this age can be this good at everything, plus she doesn't exactly have the money to be learning this kind of stuff anyway at courses as someone stated above.

[LastingChlarker]

Well, to some maybe.

Some of us see it as continuity...besides, I'm not really watching this show to see realistic characters. I can think of much more ridiculous things that have happened on Smallville than Chloe's hacking abilities I guess. But that is neither here nor now.

I guess we can all agree to disagree. Some don't like it, some do. As all things on Smallville I guess.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by LastingChlarker
Well, to some maybe.

Some of us see it as continuity...besides, I'm not really watching this show to see realistic characters. I can think of much more ridiculous things that have happened on Smallville than Chloe's hacking abilities I guess. But that is neither here nor now.

I guess we can all agree to disagree. Some don't like it, some do. As all things on Smallville I guess.

Well again, we can agree to disagree, but in my opinion, when this stuff is pivotal in the plot every single episode, it just gets more and more ridiculous, not to mention that it puts Lois' character to shame.

[IVODARK]

Word. Yes it's been doing it since the very beginning. I mean, now wonder she got good at it. Still, its unrealistic, but who cares. Unless of course it overshadows Clark's role.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Word. Yes it's been doing it since the very beginning. I mean, now wonder she got good at it. Still, its unrealistic, but who cares. Unless of course it overshadows Clark's role.

Which it certainly does at times.

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by myankskent
Interests/hobbies. Can we not justify the fact that Chloe knows how to do these things and just call it ridiculous. No one at this age can be this good at everything, plus she doesn't exactly have the money to be learning this kind of stuff anyway at courses as someone stated above.

No.

She has been doing it since season one, so it's not ridiculous.

Gabriel in Hidden set up the fact that he helped to make her the type of hacker she is today. To be able to hack into unhackable places. To know all the technical stuff. He was her Tech Guy for the Torch for who knows how many years. HE is the reason why she's SO good now.

Chloe has this insatiable curiousity to just KNOW things. And she's always been like that. Hacking/computers seems to be a part of that.

[WriteAngel]

the fact of the matter is i will repeat previous posters...this is a show based on far fetched comics.....the FOTW's are running around and your complaining about a reporter who's hacking skills(and contacts) have grown to unbelievable levels. hmmmmmm, it's an unbelievable show...it's kinda pointless to debate it. Chloe's character HAS been consistent....should we gang up on the character because the writers arent developing clark the way we think they should? NO, lets talk about the writing....

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by myankskent
Which it certainly does at times.

Absolutely. Sometimes it's like,"Who's the real superhero here?"

[LastingChlarker]

Well, if it makes clark look stupid - or overshadows him at times - then I say the problem is not with Chloe's characterisation but with clark's IMO. They shouldn't dumb down the women just to make Clark look good. Maybe, instead, they just need to spend more time developping him and strengthening him...

As a few of the cast members have said in the past, the show has struggled with balancing the roles. Especially when it comes to the women. I think if Smallville was able to balance everyone out - ie. writing strong females AND keeping a strong Clark - then it would be much better.

[wb-superman]

I guess Chloe learn those computer before Gabriel came along her on Hidden. But she did a good job on that computer hacking skill on Mercy.

[Polomontana]

Have you guys been watching the same show? That's nothing, Chloe is a computer hacker.

[MBCorp]

My concern is more along the fact that they're just using her as a lazy plot device than anything else. She doesn't even seem to have much character or personality anymore, she's just the girl with the superpowered computer who can do absolutely anything and who says a sarcastic quip every now and then. Sad to say but she's become a bit of a Mary Sue.

And it is making Clark look bad and incompetent when Chloe saves the day more often than not.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by WriteAngel
the fact of the matter is i will repeat previous posters...this is a show based on far fetched comics.....the FOTW's are running around and your complaining about a reporter who's hacking skills(and contacts) have grown to unbelievable levels. hmmmmmm, it's an unbelievable show...it's kinda pointless to debate it. Chloe's character HAS been consistent....should we gang up on the character because the writers arent developing clark the way we think they should? NO, lets talk about the writing....

Whether the show is believable or not, Chloe is ONLY human. She has NOT been infected with meteor rocks to give her some sort of powers, yet she regularly saves Clark. And she just knows things out of the blue; things that no undergrad in college should know how to do. The stuff she did at the Torch was believable, but now it's just ridiculous. That's why it's not just one person who holds that opinion.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by WriteAngel
the fact of the matter is i will repeat previous posters...this is a show based on far fetched comics.....the FOTW's are running around and your complaining about a reporter who's hacking skills(and contacts) have grown to unbelievable levels. hmmmmmm, it's an unbelievable show...it's kinda pointless to debate it. Chloe's character HAS been consistent....should we gang up on the character because the writers arent developing clark the way we think they should? NO, lets talk about the writing....

Alright, let's talk about the writing. All of the intelligence is being put into Chloe's character and Clark has been the big dumb alien who superspeeds around after being given instructions by Chloe. In the meantime, you have a character in Lois who is as dumb as it gets for a future super reporter. Then you have a character in Lana who can't seem to count to 10 without messing up. So my solution is, make an attempt to balance things out a bit. It's overkill. This is season 5 and I don't want to see supergirl, I want to see superman. Why does the plot always have to go through Chloe? Ever hear of things in a show getting tiresome? Well that's Chloe for you, IMO.

[WriteAngel]

Ok, might have to agree with that part....plot device she has become but lana went (goes) through the same thing, lets just hope they will pull chloe out of this one. :( ----and pull lana out of hers while they're at it. :)

[Polomontana]

What was so hard about finding the signal once she had the transmitter? That's nothing, especially to a computer hacker!!

[WriteAngel]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Whether the show is believable or not, Chloe is ONLY human. She has NOT been infected with meteor rocks to give her some sort of powers, yet she regularly saves Clark. And she just knows things out of the blue; things that no undergrad in college should know how to do. The stuff she did at the Torch was believable, but now it's just ridiculous. That's why it's not just one person who holds that opinion.


I disagree, what she did at the torch was NEVER believable- a forteen year old with that kind of talent/contacts? Yeah, right- now that she's in college that level of hacking would be acceptable. But the fact is it's been unbelievable from the begining- hence her consistancy. :D

[Lessthanthre3]

I agree with MBCorp; they really need to give Chloe a break from all this hacking crap.
It's just about the only thing she does anymore.
But then ,being the Chloe fanatic that I am (not to mention Chlex, but we can all see that that's not going anywhere anytime soon), I will not be happy until she gets SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Polomontana
What was so hard about finding the signal once she had the transmitter? That's nothing, especially to a computer hacker!!

How did she even know about the transmitter. She picks it up and says "this is state of the art." How does she know this. She's 18 years old for goodness sakes. People in their 40's who have worked for 20 years don't know as much as her. Cotton candy girl is right with what she said above, Chloe is just a mortal, she has no superpowers, no exposure to meteor rocks. Yet she sounds like she's been doing this stuff for 30 years.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by WriteAngel
I disagree, what she did at the torch was NEVER believable- a forteen year old with that kind of talent/contacts? Yeah, right- now that she's in college that level of hacking would be acceptable. But the fact is it's been unbelievable from the begining- hence her consistancy. :D

Maybe you have a point about what she did at the torch. The problem is though, that it has risen to an incredibly ridiculous level, and it's done ad nauseum. It was cute at the torch, but now she's in the big leagues; totally outside of the league she should be in.

[F-Stop Blues]

The fact is Chloe should not be able to do anything when it comes to Kryptonian tech. But its clear that they are going in that direction. Jor-El was able to find out that an entire Planet was going to be destroyed and he was the top scientist on that Planet who I might add created Braniac but Chloe can decipher Kryptonian and possibly hack into Braniac. That doesnt make any sense.

[Polomontana]

Have you ever read the stories about computer hackers? What Chloe is doing is nothing!! She just does it quick because it's an hour show people!!!

[WriteAngel]

refer to my above post. but upon rereading the other posts it seems that people arent as much disgusted with chloes unbelievable hacking skills as they are with her helping clark to the point he does nothing else....no character development. And i agree with that. dont aim anger at chloe..aim it at the BDA :D

[cotton candy girl]

Meh, she's a bit nosy for my taste. But back on topic, yeah, she makes Clark look like "duh, which way did he go?"

[Polomontana]

I agree with the way they are using Chloe and I'm a Chloe fan, but it's getting close to the end of the series and the mythos has to take center stage. The computer hacking skills are believable though in an hour long show.

[WriteAngel]

or, 'Duh, which way do I go Chloe?' :D

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by WriteAngel
or, 'Duh, which way do I go Chloe?' :D

Yeah. I was talking about that cartoon character though. I can hear the voice, but I don't remember which cartoon. :)

[Polomontana]

Chloe is Clarks sidekick like batman and robin!!

[SadaBeem]

Don't know about you guys, but I am about SICK of Chloe saving the day all the time! No matter what comes up, she's always like 'Oh, Clark. Let me take care of it. I'm randomly a super scientist with amazing hacking skills.'

... Geez. Clark, just figure something out for yourself for once.

[WriteAngel]

no, clarks becoming her sidekick (but luckily it wont last.... *sneaks peak at spoilers*) :D

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by SadaBeem
Don't know about you guys, but I am about SICK of Chloe saving the day all the time! No matter what comes up, she's always like 'Oh, Clark. Let me take care of it. I'm randomly a super scientist with amazing hacking skills.'

... Geez. Clark, just figure something out for yourself for once.

Word.

[F-Stop Blues]

Eh...Whatever Lex is going to kill her eventually anyway. (not a spoiler just my opinion)

[Polomontana]

Originally posted by SadaBeem
Don't know about you guys, but I am about SICK of Chloe saving the day all the time! No matter what comes up, she's always like 'Oh, Clark. Let me take care of it. I'm randomly a super scientist with amazing hacking skills.'

... Geez. Clark, just figure something out for yourself for once.

She's been a computer hacker for awhile now!!!

[myankskent]

I don't think it would bother me so much if every episode didn't depend on Chloe saving the day. When every single plot has to come through Chloe, and she uses this unrealistic way to help Clark out, as the viewer, I feel cheated. How about something more original after 5 years.

Everyone complains that kryptonite is being used too much as a plot device, but that is nothing compared to Chloe, IMO.

[SadaBeem]

Originally posted by Polomontana
She's been a computer hacker for awhile now!!!
And I'm completely aware of that fact, but she has such 'amazing' skills that no matter when there's a problem that involves anything technical or someone needs tracking or a background check, Chloe can and will do it. Sure, it'd be the right thing to do, but I seriously think Clark needs to start using more brain power ALONG with that sexy muscle of his.

[Deana]

Her being a computer hacker for awhile little helps the absurdity of the situation.

Omg, lets not mention Chloe was actually leading Lex around too and he was clever enough to find Dr. Fine.

Pure bull...

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by Aloof
Chloe is the new Lois Lane, people!


Yes and the best part was the "couple shot" as Clark and Chloe together enter Lex's LuthorCorp. office room!

Beautiful!:lol: :cool:

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Eh...Whatever Lex is going to kill her eventually anyway. (not a spoiler just my opinion)

:lol: I'm not a morbid person, and I don't like to see death, but the way you said that was funny.

[warriorrenegade]

Originally posted by myankskent
I don't think it would bother me so much if every episode didn't depend on Chloe saving the day. When every single plot has to come through Chloe, and she uses this unrealistic way to help Clark out, as the viewer, I feel cheated. How about something more original after 5 years.

Everyone complains that kryptonite is being used too much as a plot device, but that is nothing compared to Chloe, IMO.

I agree. They've gone to the Chloes tech skills well way to often. They better curtail this or she will end up the way of the FoTW. I say how about Clark get involved for once, I mean have Chloe teach him somethings. God knows shes the one to go to:lol:

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Deana
Her being a computer hacker for awhile little helps the absurdity of the situation.

lets not mention Chloe was actually leading Lex around too and he was clever enough to find Dr. Fine.

Pure bull...

Yeah, good point. The ever so intrepid Lex following around a young reporter, when he was able to find Braniac. :rolleyes:

[myankskent]

I'd love to watch a scene where Lionel is cornering Chloe, finally taking care of her after she got away with putting him in prison, and Chloe reaches for her computer..Lionel grabs it and smashes it down on the floor and SAYS..."Your computer's not going to save you this time, Ms. Sullivan!"

[IVODARK]

I like Chloe a lot. But I'd love to see that as well.

[SadaBeem]

Originally posted by myankskent
I'd love to watch a scene where Lionel is cornering Chloe, finally taking care of her after she got away with putting him in prison, and Chloe reaches for her computer..Lionel grabs it and smashes it down on the floor and SAYS..."Your computer's not going to save you this time, Ms. Sullivan!"
Ooo, fun! That would definitely be a very awesome line/scene.

[Deana]

Originally posted by myankskent
I'd love to watch a scene where Lionel is cornering Chloe, finally taking care of her after she got away with putting him in prison, and Chloe reaches for her computer..Lionel grabs it and smashes it down on the floor and SAYS..."Your computer's not going to save you this time, Ms. Sullivan!"

That's something I'd love to see to.

I hate when people say she's the new Lois. Lois wasn't nearly this smart in any of her incarnations. She had major flaws and she was actually an investagative reporter. She didn't have a cpu which is quite obviously the reincarnation of all the Kryptonians(ms).

[watcher4]

Originally posted by warriorrenegade
I agree. They've gone to the Chloes tech skills well way to often. They better curtail this or she will end up the way of the FoTW. I say how about Clark get involved for once, I mean have Chloe teach him somethings. God knows shes the one to go to:lol:

Sounds like a good idea!

[Crispin Glover]

Chloe is really the new James Bond in disguise. She should be working for the CIA not the Daily Planet. I didn't know reporters could hack and do whatever is necessary through a computer to move the abysmal story forward.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Deana
That's something I'd love to see to.

I hate when people say she's the new Lois. Lois wasn't nearly this smart in any of her incarnations. She had major flaws and she was actually an investagative reporter. She didn't have a cpu which is quite obviously the reincarnation of all the Kryptonians(ms).

That's why this has to stop with Chloe, 100 episodes is enough. If Smallville is really following the comics, to some degree, Chloe needs to be taken care of. I'm not saying kill her off, she just needs to either be put in her place or move away so Lois can step up. Otherwise, what's the point of having Lois on the show?

[Deana]

Originally posted by myankskent
That's why this has to stop with Chloe, 100 episodes is enough. If Smallville is really following the comics, to some degree, Chloe needs to be taken care of. I'm not saying kill her off, she just needs to either be put in her place or move away so Lois can step up. Otherwise, what's the point of having Lois on the show?

It's not just Lois though. Imo, it's more so Clark. He's taking major steps backward for Super Chloe. I mean, Clark seems so dumb compared to her, I feel as if he was still on Krpton he'd be riding the little yellow bus/space ship to school.

It would just be a kick in the butt if she actually gets to make good her threat on Lex. They've tried to prove this episode she's the supreme being.

Having Lex scurry to do her bidding with Clark was just infuriating.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Deana
It's not just Lois though. Imo, it's more so Clark. He's taking major steps backward for Super Chloe. I mean, Clark seems so dumb compared to her, I feel as if he was still on Krpton he'd be riding the little yellow bus/space ship to school.

It would just be a kick in the butt if she actually gets to make good her threat on Lex. They've tried to prove this episode she's the supreme being.

Having Lex scurry to do her bidding with Clark was just infuriating.

Well in my opinion, Chloe is stepping on the toes of a lot of characters on smallville, but being that I don't want to start a fight, you're right, she does step on the toes of Clark as well which is infuriating. It's like we're watching supergirl and from what I hear, Chloe will continue solving these ridiculous things and it will escalate to a whole new level.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by Crispin Glover
Chloe is really the new James Bond in disguise. She should be working for the CIA not the Daily Planet. I didn't know reporters could hack and do whatever is necessary through a computer to move the abysmal story forward.

That's good....real good there!

Chloe!....Computer Covert Spy!:cool:

[Kal'sGirl]

Really, to me, i see it as clark letting chloe do the grunt work
He's superman and really has a superbrain
That's why i don't see an issue with it.

They are a unit.

[The Satyr Icon]

Chloe's computer skills are one of the few things on the show that showed growth; from season one on, she had been able to use a computer and navigate thru the 'net.

Was she born a hacker? No, but she definitely shown the ability to learn how to hack, and thats what I believe (which, on a show like Smallville, about a superpowered alien on earth, is one of the easier things to believe in).

Chloe helping Clark is also a given since PILOT; her being involved is nothing new. Again, do people expect Lana to step up? The long departed Pete? No, and they are/were the next available partners for Clark. Through it all, there was/is/will be Chlark. They are a team. Could Clark do it it all? Possibly, but until then, HE calls Chloe in. Any and all of her knowledge simply pushes her inquistive nature, one established in season one.

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[sstray72]

Chloe's hacking skillz are nothing new. I agree that Clark should be more involved, but that's not Chloe's fault. I would love to see Clark going back on his interest in journalism and his interest in investigations, I'd like to see some proactivity as well, but he's too busy worrying about Lana to do that. So since his time is all taken thinking about Lana, he just goes to Chloe for the quick fix.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by myankskent
in my opinion, Chloe is stepping on the toes of a lot of characters on smallville, but being that I don't want to start a fight, you're right, she does step on the toes of Clark as well which is infuriating. It's like we're watching supergirl and from what I hear, Chloe will continue solving these ridiculous things and it will escalate to a whole new level.

A whole NEW level? How is that possible? She can already do anything. Enough already. :rolleyes:

[Kal'sGirl]

She doesn't do anything in this show that isn't requested by Clark.

He doesn't have time to do it all. why not put her to use? She's the only person he can talk to now that isn't his mom. You really want to take Clark's ONE friend away from him while his ex girldfriend gets it on with his ex bestfriend?

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by myankskent
That's why this has to stop with Chloe, 100 episodes is enough. If Smallville is really following the comics, to some degree, Chloe needs to be taken care of. I'm not saying kill her off, she just needs to either be put in her place or move away so Lois can step up. Otherwise, what's the point of having Lois on the show?

Yeah, it was Al/ Miles who brought Lois to Smallville in the first place. And for what? To walk around in la-la land while Chloe's busy being better than she may ever be? Bunk. :rolleyes:

[Kal'sGirl]

Lois was brought on the show due to the lawsuit brought in by the Siegels.

She stands there and looks pretty while distinguishing SV from superboy.

[Bobbythe2nd]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
IT'S A SHOW ABOUT A BOY FROM ANOTHER PLANET WHO CAN LIFT TRACTORS AND WILL ONE DAY FLY. Unrealistic computer hacking is not exactly something you can complain about if you're willing to believe the rest.

Exactly!

First off Chloe has been hacking into everything ever since highschool so its not like this is new. Secondly, when is anything that they do in this show realistic. These are just minor details that should be avoided and should have no impact on how you rate the episode or show.

[Deana]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Yeah, it was Al/ Miles who brought Lois to Smallville in the first place. And for what? To walk around in la-la land while Chloe's busy being better than she may ever be? Bunk. :rolleyes:

No one will match Chloe ever. It's the sad thing. They made their created character above and beyond what the established characters will ever be; Lois, Clark, and after this episode Lex.

Why is she settling for being a lowly journalist at DP? She can hack into a bank, take all the money, and start her on Chloe Planet. She'll always get her story' because she has her Super Monkey to do the grunt work.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by Deana
No one will match Chloe ever. It's the sad thing. They made their created character above and beyond what the established characters will ever be; Lois, Clark, and after this episode Lex.

Why is she settling for being a lowly journalist at DP? She can hack into a bank, take all the money, and start her on Chloe Planet. She'll always get her story' because she has her Super Monkey to do the grunt work.

Her desire is to help people and to be a reporter.

Confusing that with being a criminal is a slap against a very honorable character.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Bobbythe2nd
Exactly!

First off Chloe has been hacking into everything ever since highschool so its not like this is new. Secondly, when is anything that they do in this show realistic. These are just minor details that should be avoided and should have no impact on how you rate the episode or show.

Actually, although this is a sci-fi show, some stuff is realistic like some of the characters being human. Clark and Braniac are the only ones with super powers, as well as only meter rock-infected people being able to do dastardly deeds. But the things Chloe can do have become too much, and imo that's not minor. It's an ad nauseum thing.

Like some have said, it seems like Chloe is now a plot device. Need something done, oh no problem; Chloe will just about ALWAYS be able to do the impossible. Yes it's a science fiction show, but some of us are tired of Chloe's "superhero" role making Clark look dumb and ridiculous.

[The Satyr Icon]

Simple: Chloe's desire is journalism career, her skills are used to strengthen her career.

Chloe is in line with Clark and Lex in terms of character growth. Lana is all over the place because she has no role other than cheerleader for Clark in the comics, so theer is destiny for her; the fact that the writers couln't come up for anything for Lana is a shame.

And I think Chlark make a great team; they both do a fair share of grunt work.

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[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Yes it's a science fiction show, but some of us are tired of Chloe's "superhero" role making Clark look dumb and ridiculous.

Not really. Clark has been shown and established in the early episodes to be a genius.

What he does and doesn't do now with Chloe only speaks to the fact that he can't be two places at once.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Eh...Whatever Lex is going to kill her eventually anyway. (not a spoiler just my opinion)
Hey I need to say that I admire your persistence you have said that for years and even if a lot of the ones that consider this just droped it you have continue to believe.
Well go on like that ...you are wrong ...but anyway go on :)

[cotton candy girl]

This is NOT a Chloe vs. Lana thread.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
This is NOT a Chloe vs. Lana thread.

No, but it is becoming a character bash thread.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Not really. Clark has been shown and established in the early episodes to be a genius.

What he does and doesn't do now with Chloe only speaks to the fact that he can't be two places at once.

He's a genius? Excuse me while I scratch my head. This season he's anything BUT a genius. He wouldn't know WHAT to do without Chloe; and HE's to be an intrepid reporter one day? Please, Al/ Miles. :rolleyes:

[Deana]

Hacking is so not criminal behavior.

My question still stands. Why should she settle for being a journalist?

Her desire to help people could be put to better use with her "skills."

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
No, but it is becoming a character bash thread.

Oh you mean like the "I hate Lana" threads?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Bobbythe2nd
Exactly!

First off Chloe has been hacking into everything ever since highschool so its not like this is new. Secondly, when is anything that they do in this show realistic. These are just minor details that should be avoided and should have no impact on how you rate the episode or show.

Wow, you just don't get it do you? How is it a minor detail if the whole plot is impacted by what Chloe does episode after episode? Explain that to me if you can. I don't care what went on during the other seasons, the fact of the matter is she is solving kryptonian related problems now as well as hacking into all of these places. Are you aware that Chloe would've been thrown in jail about 50 times now if she was really doing all of this stuff. And another thing, just because Clark has superpowers doesn't mean that you can take a mortal person and give her superpowers to hack into things. Although the concept behind smallville is unrealistic, the mortal characters still have to behave like mortals. The funny thing is, every character on smallville behaves this way except for Chloe.

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
This is NOT a Chloe vs. Lana thread.

Agreed.
One has the computer skills and one doesn't.

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[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by Deana
Hacking is so not criminal behavior.

My question still stands. Why should she settle for being a journalist?

Her desire to help people could be put to better use with her "skills."

Why should it be regarded as "settling" when that's been her lifetime dream?

Some kids desire to be kindergarten teachers. That, to some, is settling. However, where would we be without them?

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by The Satyr Icon
Agreed.
One has the computer skills and one doesn't.

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Is that supposed to be funny? This thread is about how Chloe's skills are pretty unbelievable. Lana has nothing to do with this thread.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Is that supposed to be funny? This thread is about how Chloe's skills are pretty unbelievable. Lana has nothing to do with this thread.

she kinda does if we attack one character for their 'realism' but don't approach another character for theirs. Clark and Lex have already been introduced to the discussion. Why NOT lana?

[myankskent]

Why is Lana even being brought up in this thread? This has nothing to do with Lana and the fact that she is dragged into this only shows that you want to turn everything around on the character that you hate. Once again, this has nothing to do with Lana!

[Kal'sGirl]

then it has NOTHING to do with Clark and Lex either.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by myankskent
Are you aware that Chloe would've been thrown in jail about 50 times now if she was really doing all of this stuff.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:




And another thing, just because Clark has superpowers doesn't mean that you can take a mortal person and give her superpowers to hack into things. Although the concept behind smallville is unrealistic, the mortal characters still have to behave like mortals. The funny thing is, every character on smallville behaves this way except for Chloe.

That's what I'm saying.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
then it has NOTHING to do with Clark and Lex either.

No, it has to do with Clark because that is the person that Chloe hands this information to week after week. I don't know who dragged Lex into this, but I am talking Chloe and Clark here.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
she kinda does if we attack one character for their 'realism' but don't approach another character for theirs. Clark and Lex have already been introduced to the discussion. Why NOT lana?

Because Lana had nothing to do with that scene.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
No, it has to do with Clark because that is the person that Chloe hands this information to week after week. I don't know who dragged Lex into this, but I am talking Chloe and Clark here.

and so am I. They are a team. Why is that something to dismantle?

[Deana]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Why should it be regarded as "settling" when that's been her lifetime dream?

Some kids desire to be kindergarten teachers. That, to some, is settling. However, where would we be without them?

You put her first desire as helping people. With her cpu and her smarts: world hunger could be solved, unsolved mystery could be unsolved.

She could write articles about her achievements...journalism dreamed solved.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Because Lana had nothing to do with that scene.

But she has everything to do with what is happening in Clark's life now and can explain why he's not in school and why he's so distracted.

We can point fingers all we want and they won't land on chloe.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
and so am I. They are a team. Why is that something to dismantle?

Because Superman works alone, and this is season 5 where Clark should start solving things on his own. He is downloaded with Kryptonian information from the cave wall and the fortress and yet it is Chloe who gives him advice. Does that seem realistic to you? That seems tiresome to me and a way to have Chloe involved in everything on this show. It also makes Clark look like the dumbest character on the show.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by Deana
You put her first desire as helping people. With her cpu and her smarts: world hunger could be solved, unsolved mystery could be unsolved.

She could write articles about her achievements...journalism dreamed solved.

Gabriel-- guy from mortal?? He hacked into the US goverment missle defense system. For FIVE years he was Chloe's tutor in all things hacking. If after 5 years I couldn't tell a homemade transmitter from one sold in radioshack then I should be baking cookies, not going to college. :rolleyes:

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
But she has everything to do with what is happening in Clark's life now and can explain why he's not in school and why he's so distracted.

We can point fingers all we want and they won't land on chloe.

What pointing fingers are you talking about? This has everything to do with Chloe and NOTHING to do with Lana. That's a whole different issue. Please let's get back on the topic of Chloe's unrealistic computer skills.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Gabriel-- guy from mortal?? He hacked into the US goverment missle defense system. For FIVE years he was Chloe's tutor in all things hacking. If after 5 years I couldn't tell a homemade transmitter from one sold in radioshack then I should be baking cookies, not going to college. :rolleyes:

Funny, where was this guy during seasons 1-4, because to my recollection, Chloe was hip deep in solving mysteries back then as well with Clark, along with getting in trouble with Lionel Luthor.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
Because Superman works alone, and this is season 5 where Clark should start solving things on his own. He is downloaded with Kryptonian information from the cave wall and the fortress and yet it is Chloe who gives him advice. Does that seem realistic to you? That seems tiresome to me and a way to have Chloe involved in everything on this show. It also makes Clark look like the dumbest character on the show.

Actually, no. Lois Lane is his sidekick, just as the worlds greatest detective, batman, has a sidekick.

If you see more lois in chloe than that's for another thread.

[Deana]

I'm sorry. Chloe has surpassed Lana this season and being in the way.

Clark may be hendered emotionally around Lana, but he's free from her right now.

He's in first gear because he has someone to solve his problems for him.

This guy can't run the Justice League. It's all Chloe. They've ruined him and elevated her.

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Is that supposed to be funny? This thread is about how Chloe's skills are pretty unbelievable. Lana has nothing to do with this thread.

LAUGHS*
I brought Lana not in a hurtful way, ANYWAYS; I showed it was a shame that her destiny wasn't more than "love interest". Sorry for making Lanarchists spin out.

and as I stated to the oblivious,

Was she born a hacker? No, but she definitely shown the ability to learn how to hack, and thats what I believe (which, on a show like Smallville, about a superpowered alien on earth, is one of the easier things to believe in).

Anything that followed some type of growth through 5 seasons (Chloe's computer skills) is somewhat believeable to some. Some might see it, others do. I remember that Chloe asked Adam Knight to teach her some hacking tricks...

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[MBCorp]

Personally I liked Chloe alot better before she become such an overly perfect Mary Sue-ish type. Does she do anything anymore besides hack into places for Clark? It doesn't seem like she has much of a personality anymore and she comes across as more of a plot device than a character.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
Funny, where was this guy during seasons 1-4, because to my recollection, Chloe was hip deep in solving mysteries back then as well with Clark, along with getting in trouble with Lionel Luthor.

His existence was off-screen much as many characters don't just "appear".

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Actually, no. Lois Lane is his sidekick, just as the worlds greatest detective, batman, has a sidekick.

If you see more lois in chloe than that's for another thread.

Actually, in the Lois Lane era, Clark has a brain and is a journalist as well, so that is inaccurate. Lois might have helped Clark, but Clark also helped himself, something that he still can't do during season 5.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
Actually, in the Lois Lane era, Clark has a brain and is a journalist as well, so that is inaccurate. Lois might have helped Clark, but Clark also helped himself, something that he still can't do during season 5.

well that is your perception and should be laid on Clark not chloe.

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Personally I liked Chloe alot better before she become such an overly perfect Mary Sue-ish type. Does she do anything anymore besides hack into places for Clark? It doesn't seem like she has much of a personality anymore and she comes across as more of a plot device than a character.

Hi MB!
I just think that maybe Chloe's skills have grown; Clark gets the ability to fly, and Lex will certainly be a hella lot eviller than what is shown on Smallville....so maybe Chloe can hack into a computer file?

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[Deana]

Originally posted by myankskent
Actually, in the Lois Lane era, Clark has a brain and is a journalist as well, so that is inaccurate. Lois might have helped Clark, but Clark also helped himself, something that he still can't do during season 5.

Yeah he and Lois were orginally rivals in journalism. Chloe would run circles around SV's Super Monkey.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Personally I liked Chloe alot better before she become such an overly perfect Mary Sue-ish type. Does she do anything anymore besides hack into places for Clark? It doesn't seem like she has much of a personality anymore and she comes across as more of a plot device than a character.

I agree with this, and I also agree with Deana. To me, Lana is not standing in the way anymore, it is Chloe. Clark is too attached to Chloe at this point and relies on her help too often. I liked how they played things out with Chloe knowing the secret last season and maybe a little bit this season, but I am annoyed at the fact that Chloe never messed up once, not once. And to go even further, she now magically can solve kryptonian related problems as well.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by The Satyr Icon
LAUGHS*
I brought Lana not in a hurtful way, ANYWAYS; I showed it was a shame that her destiny wasn't more than "love interest". Sorry for making Lanarchists spin out.

Please don't call me names, if that's what you're doing; I don't call people who like Chloe names. You can call me cotton candy girl. :)
And I definitely want Lana to be more than a love interest.

[ma200]

Uh huh...police records, hospital records SUV records, MOB RECORDS??? Yeah right, like they're all on the internet.

And yeah sure, it really does take five seconds for her to google into them, what-evah.

And so what if she learnt it from someone else? He's a caricature too just like Chloe.

And yeah whoever said her hacking skills grew was right, only it didn't grow in a believable way, it grew in an OUTRAGEOUS way.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
I agree with this, and I also agree with Deana. To me, Lana is not standing in the way anymore, it is Chloe. Clark is too attached to Chloe at this point and relies on her help too often. I liked how they played things out with Chloe knowing the secret last season and maybe a little bit this season, but I am annoyed at the fact that Chloe never messed up once, not once. And to go even further, she now magically can solve kryptonian related problems as well.

How is chloe standing in the way of who he needs to become? She is his ONLY cheerleader. She encourages him to tell the truth and be who he is without shame.

[MidgardDragon]

I sense this thread not lasting much longer. Character bashing it definitely is. Bottom line: if you *really* want to complain about unrealistic hacking and impossible computer skills, watch Hackers. Until then, Chloe is just a very smart girl who's trying to help her friend out by doing the stuff she does best.

Question to those who said it: If Superman works alone, please explain all of the times that Lois Lane has helped bring down the bad guy by using her reporting and investigative skills in the comics and previous television incarnations.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by ma200
Uh huh...police records, hospital records SUV records, MOB RECORDS??? Yeah right, like they're all on the internet.

And yeah sure, it really does take five seconds for her to google into them, what-evah.

And so what if she learnt it from someone else? He's a caricature too just like Chloe.

And yeah whoever said her hacking skills grew was right, only it didn't grow in a believable way, it grew in an OUTRAGEOUS way.

Uh, databases aren't on the net or on google. That is why she hacks

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
well that is your perception and should be laid on Clark not chloe.

Don't you understand that if Clark solved all of the problems than Chloe would have no role on this show? That's the real problem here and that is why TPTB continue to force Chloe into the show by having her solve the problems. That is also why Lois is forced out of the show. So it has nothing to do with what Clark does, Chloe needs to go so Clark is forced to do things for himself until Lois steps in.

[ma200]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Uh, databases aren't on the net or on google. That is why she hacks

Might as well be since it only takes her five seconds.

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by myankskent
Don't you understand that if Clark solved all of the problems than Chloe would have no role on this show?
Or anyone else really....


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[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
Don't you understand that if Clark solved all of the problems than Chloe would have no role on this show? That's the real problem here and that is why TPTB continue to force Chloe into the show by having her solve the problems. That is also why Lois is forced out of the show. So it has nothing to do with what Clark does, Chloe needs to go so Clark is forced to do things for himself until Lois steps in.

Do you have any idea how nonsensical this is?

Clark needs to be without Chloe so Lois can come in and, essentially, BE Chloe? How is this helping Clark, which was your issue?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I sense this thread not lasting much longer. Character bashing it definitely is. Bottom line: if you *really* want to complain about unrealistic hacking and impossible computer skills, watch Hackers. Until then, Chloe is just a very smart girl who's trying to help her friend out by doing the stuff she does best.

Question to those who said it: If Superman works alone, please explain all of the times that Lois Lane has helped bring down the bad guy by using her reporting and investigative skills in the comics and previous television incarnations.

Indeed Lois does, but Clark uses his brain as well. He doesn't run to Lois everytime he has a problem, he takes action himself as well. And what I mean by work alone is that he is the one who fights off the bad guys most of the time. On Smallville, whenever there is a fight, Chloe is there helping out and holding Clark's hand. Sorry, but it never happned that way in the superman movies.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by ma200
Might as well be since it only takes her five seconds.

I do hope you realize 5 seconds our time in TV Land could be 5 seconds to 5 billion years. It's how things are cut.

Her job this episode was to essentially trace a signal.

Umm, after 5 years of hacking I hope she can at least do that.


Originally posted by myankskent
On Smallville, whenever there is a fight, Chloe is there helping out and holding Clark's hand. Sorry, but it never happned that way in the superman movies.

Of all the times Clark has has Chloe help it was because she was there, already, in the thick of it.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Do you have any idea how nonsensical this is?

Clark needs to be without Chloe so Lois can come in and, essentially, BE Chloe? How is this helping Clark, which was your issue?

No, Lois would be a far more dynamic character than Chloe. Lois would have a life of her own and not be Clark's personal super search engine. Plus, Lois and Clark are romantically involved as well. What is Chloe's role in this show outside of investigating things for Clark?

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
No, Lois would be a far more dynamic character than Chloe. Lois would have a life of her own and not be Clark's personal super search engine. Plus, Lois and Clark are romantically involved as well. What is Chloe's role in this show outside of investigating things for Clark?

Best friend and confidante.

she doesn't have to sleep with him to fill in the role.

[ma200]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
I do hope you realize 5 seconds our time in TV Land could be 5 seconds to 5 billion years. It's how things are cut.

Her job this episode was to essentially trace a signal.

Umm, after 5 years of hacking I hope she can at least do that.

Hacking takes a looong time and some real thinking. If I could just hear from Chloe "This took a week and a half to hack into this blah blah blah," that would've been okay with me.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by ma200
Hacking takes a looong time and some real thinking. If I could just hear from Chloe "This took a week and a half to hack into this blah blah blah," that would've been okay with me.

Mortal: Clark tells her do do a mind whammy on the level 3 entrace, She TELLS him that would take a week.

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by myankskent
No, Lois would be a far more dynamic character than Chloe. Lois would have a life of her own and not be Clark's personal super search engine. Plus, Lois and Clark are romantically involved as well. What is Chloe's role in this show outside of investigating things for Clark?
Best friend and uber confidante

But right now...can Lois actually help clark out? Until she is handed hacking skills...no she can't.

Right now, Clark plays the hand dealt him, and he needs Chloe's help.

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[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Best friend and confidante.

she doesn't have to sleep with him to fill in the role.

You're missing the point, what family storylines has Chloe had on this show? What love interests has Chloe had on this show? It is all about Clark with Chloe, she has no place on the show outside of that. Now I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but having Chloe forced into the show by solving these ridiculous cases week after week after week is where the problem is. How about Chloe develop a life outside of Clark like every other character on this show.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
You're missing the point, what family storylines has Chloe had on this show? What love interests has Chloe had on this show? It is all about Clark with Chloe, she has no place on the show outside of that. Now I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but having Chloe forced into the show by solving these ridiculous cases week after week after week is where the problem is. How about Chloe develop a life outside of Clark like every other character on this show.

Family Storylines- Chloe Chronicles and Tomb which was a few episodes ago.

[Formo]

I see where people are saying Chloe is playing more and more of a plot role than anything else.. And I'm not liking it any more than the next guy. I understand she's helpin' Clark. I understand her 'hacking' abilities to do as such.

But I don't understand why they took away the emotion between her and Clark.. I mean, they showed nuggets that she still had some sort of feelings for Clark, but let those strings hang. C'mon!!

Although, I'm glad they are letting Clark save the day (even with Chloe's help) more. I was about to start watching season 1-4 again to remember what it was like seeing Clark save the day again.. =/

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Family Storylines- Chloe Chronicles and Tomb which was a few episodes ago.

The Chloe chronicles are not part of the show, nor do most people watch them, and you just named me one episode out of about 105 that featured a chloe family storyline. I bet I can name more episodes than that for every other character, far more episodes.

[WriteAngel]

Once more the problem is with clark...but chloe isnt the main character and is easily bashable. They are using her the same way they used lana in so many other storylines and it may be a little old but it's nothing new......clark has gotten stupider...to a point it's nerve racking....but it's on him- not chloe (though would it kill tptb to have her put in danger for knowing his secret soon?) What is UP with lex? oh, and she may be a mary sue but she's had her problems....as im sure we all agree.

[The Satyr Icon]

Jitters: when Gabe is held hostage along with Chloe
Crush: Chloe gets a bf, albeit FOTW
Dichotic: Chloe dates a FOTW
Unsafe: Revealed Chloe is not a virgin
Rush: Not for the obvious Chlark, but hanging with Pete at the rave

Chloe has a life, actually one a lot cooler than what they do show; yet...she manages to learn how to hack.

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[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
The Chloe chronicles are not part of the show, nor do most people watch them, and you just named me one episode out of about 105 that featured a chloe family storyline. I bet I can name more episodes than that for every other character, far more episodes.

the CC's ARE canon. Just like Lex's verizon and now AOL spots. Just like the Vengence Chronicles.

And chloe's history with her mother had tormented the girl for seasons. I'm not sure how one can so easily forget.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
the CC's ARE canon. Just like Lex's verizon and now AOL spots. Just like the Vengence Chronicles.

And chloe's history with her mother had tormented the girl for seasons. I'm not sure how one can so easily forget.

There was never progress with her mother, it was just mentioned in a few episodes. Tomb and Scare were the only two episodes that actually fleshed that particular storyline out. So basically, with counting the FOFTW boyfriends as Chloe storylines outside of Clark, she has had about 6 episodes out of 105 that actually shows that she has a life outside of doing investigating with Clark. That's impressive.

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by myankskent
The Chloe chronicles are not part of the show, nor do most people watch them, and you just named me one episode out of about 105 that featured a chloe family storyline. I bet I can name more episodes than that for every other character, far more episodes.
According moderator veaglarwen, this last batch of Chloe Chronicles have had over a million hits.

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[CK&CK]

Originally posted by LastingChlarker
Well, if it makes clark look stupid - or overshadows him at times - then I say the problem is not with Chloe's characterisation but with clark's IMO. They shouldn't dumb down the women just to make Clark look good. Maybe, instead, they just need to spend more time developping him and strengthening him...

As a few of the cast members have said in the past, the show has struggled with balancing the roles. Especially when it comes to the women. I think if Smallville was able to balance everyone out - ie. writing strong females AND keeping a strong Clark - then it would be much better.

As much as I hate the Lana drama, if the storylines were written better it wouldn't matter.....neither girl would hold him back. But there in lies the problem as you have exactly pointed out. The real reason for Clark lacking brain cells is the writting......not his fellow characters....that is such an easy excuse. To me, people that think along these lines....are thinking exactly in the same limited frame as the writters have been when they write Clark. Chloe's always been clever and resilient. All of sudden the stuff she's been doing for ages starts to really bug everybody? (actually, I take it back....I know it's not everybody...because a lot of us really like it). The writters just have to start writting Clark's intelligence up to par with his ever growing and ever maturing sidekick Chloe.......otherwise...Superboy or no Superboy.....Clark is going to be the one that is remembered as the sidekick. But hey, if they want to keep him mentally challenged.....I can live with it.......Chloe's not exactly a constellation prize. Bring on more Scooby detective work.

And Knocking down characters (as some have said) just to make one look good is not a bright idea. We all saw how well that back fired when Chloe's spine was being pulled out just to make Lana look good in season 2. A good writter shouldn't have to down play a brilliant Mulder just to make an mentaly challenged Scully look good. They should write Clark exactly like they wrote Scully on the "X Files" from the beginning.....as a growing character with intelligence.


Let's see.....two intelligent characters co-existing on the same show......now where have I seen this before?

John Steed/Emma Peel (The Avengers)

La Femme Nakita / Michael (THE TV series of the same name)

Maddy/David (Moonlighting)

Steele / Laura (Remington Steele)

Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson (from "Batman The Animated Series"....if you ever watch these episodes....you'll see what I mean by working together with intelligence....especially the episodes involving detective work)

or if you like....closer to home.....

Lionel & Martha while trying to figure out the word puzzle.


You're definitely right LastingChlarker.....the problem lies with Clark's characterization. Absolutely right. But unfortunately on this show Chloe with her "Mad Computer Skills & Brilliant Detective work" is to Clark as Lionel with his "Magnificent Bastard-ness" is to Lex. In a game of mind games we all know who would own whom. But hey....at least Lex has decent a shot......Clark?.......has he even found his way out of the paper bag yet?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by The Satyr Icon
According moderator veaglarwen, this last batch of Chloe Chronicles have had over a million hits.

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That's a biased number, because how do you know if people keep going back to watch it again. You can't save those clips to your computer, so anytime you want to watch them, you have to go back and watch it from the site.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
There was never progress with her mother, it was just mentioned in a few episodes. Tomb and Scare were the only two episodes that actually fleshed that particular storyline out. So basically, with counting the FOFTW boyfriends as Chloe storylines outside of Clark, she has had about 6 episodes out of 105 that actually shows that she has a life outside of doing investigating with Clark. That's impressive.

not really sure what you're trying to say? Are you pointing out a trend here? because if you're saying chloe has always been this way then what is this thread complaining about?

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by myankskent
That's a biased number, because how do you know if people keep going back to watch it again. You can't save those clips to your computer, so anytime you want to watch them, you have to go back and watch it from the site.

Clearly, for the right, unbiased number....ask Chloe; she can get like that *snaps fingers*
*laughs*

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[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
not really sure what you're trying to say? Are you pointing out a trend here? because if you're saying chloe has always been this way then what is this thread complaining about?

She has always been this way, yes, but it has escalated to a ridiculous level this season. I admit that she has had certain storylines in the past, like with Lionel, even though it did involve Clark, but this season has been a disaster in terms of how formulaic things have been with Clark and Chloe. Based on that, I bring up the fact that Chloe never has a boyfriend on this show, never has episodes going into her family history, even if it is a stupid witch storyline, at least it's something, and never has any storylines with her friends outside of Clark. She has been Clark's personal search engine superhero this year and it has been getting old. I bring up the boyfriend and family issue because those are storylines that you can have to give Chloe a life outside of reporting. Those are things that can give her a little personality and emotion. Instead, she is a machine-like character.

[WriteAngel]

here we have chloe haters and chloe lovers, this is a pointless thread :) i agree with Kal'sGirl

[cotton candy girl]

This thread shouldn't be closed. Goodness knows the Lana complaint threads aren't. They go on and on and on. Why shouldn't people vent about how ridiculous they think it is that Chloe can do just about anything?

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
She has always been this way, yes, but it has escalated to a ridiculous level this season. I admit that she has had certain storylines in the past, like with Lionel, even though it did involve Clark, but this season has been a disaster in terms of how formulaic things have been with Clark and Chloe. Based on that, I bring up the fact that Chloe never has a boyfriend on this show, never has episodes going into her family history, even if it is a stupid witch storyline, at least it's something, and never has any storylines with her friends outside of Clark. She has been Clark's personal search engine superhero this year and it has been getting old. I bring up the boyfriend and family issue because those are storylines that you can have to give Chloe a life outside of reporting. Instead, she is a machine-like character.

Do we forget that Pete was supposed to have half a billion siblings that we never got to see on screen.

Chloe, on the other hand, is Lois's cousin THAT is her FAMILY right there. Lois's ENTIRE existence in Smallville is due to the fact that she came to smallville for her cousin. Sam Lane is her UNCLE and Lucy is her COUSIN.

she and Lois hang out and Lana is her best girl-friend.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by The Satyr Icon
Clearly, for the right, unbiased number....ask Chloe; she can get like that *snaps fingers*
*laughs*

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Honestly, I really don't care about the clips. Most people who watch the show don't watch the clips. Plus, if the clips were really that great, they'd be in the show itself. They are just a piece of entertainment where they try to show some continuity.

[The Satyr Icon]

What it pans out to:

Lousy characterization?
Lousy writing overall?

I would love more focus on how the characters get their skills, but Smallville always runs with the BIG story, and never EVER shows the nuances that cause threads like this for ANY character to be created; I think the writers just want us to look at the show for what it is: entertainment, and not overthink what goes on in a show about a teen alien with superpowers on earth.

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[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Do we forget that Pete was supposed to have half a billion siblings that we never got to see on screen.

Chloe, on the other hand, is Lois's cousin THAT is her FAMILY right there. Lois's ENTIRE existence in Smallville is due to the fact that she came to smallville for her cousin. Sam Lane is her UNCLE and Lucy is her COUSIN.

she and Lois hang out and Lana is her best girl-friend.

Is Pete on the show anymore? I wonder why. Lois doesn't bring family oriented storylines to Chloe's character. She's her cousin, yes, but has there been any development in their family history. No. Instead, Lois has been relegated to being Chloe's sidekick.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by myankskent
Is Pete on the show anymore? I wonder why. Lois doesn't bring family oriented storylines to Chloe's character. She's her cousin, yes, but has there been any development in their family history. No. Instead, Lois has been relegated to being Chloe's sidekick.

What kind of family storyline do you want when they ARE FAMILY ON SCREEN?

[WriteAngel]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
This thread shouldn't be closed. Goodness knows the Lana complaint threads aren't. THey go on and on and on. Why shouldn't people vent about how ridiculous they think this is?

yeah, while i am a chloe/chlark fan, i am a former clana(season one) fan and on occasion even find myself defending lana against haters(i dislike the character but blame the writing) who go to name calling extremes, it gets out of hand. *extends olive branch to clana fan* :)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
This thread shouldn't be closed. Goodness knows the Lana complaint threads aren't. They go on and on and on. Why shouldn't people vent about how ridiculous they think it is that Chloe can do just about anything?

Good point.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by WriteAngel
yeah, while i am a chloe/chlark fan, i am a former clana(season one) fan and on occasion even find myself defending lana against haters(i dislike her character but blame the writing) who go to name calling extremes, it gets out of hand. *extends olive branch to clana fan* :)


Gee thanks. :)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
What kind of family storyline do you want when they ARE FAMILY ON SCREEN?

What I want is for Chloe to have a life outside of investigating for Clark. All of the things that people have said about Lana over the years where she constantly revolved around Clark, that's what I don't want to see with Chloe either. I want to see some emotion in her character. I don't want to see a machine who can pull up facts from a computer faster than Doogey Houser. And most of all, I want this show to stop being so formulaic this season where Chloe can solve any problem and tell Clark what to do because she knows his secret. I don't want to see the plots run straight through Chloe and have her character drastically impact the outcome of the plot.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Deana
I'm sorry. Chloe has surpassed Lana this season and being in the way.

Clark may be hendered emotionally around Lana, but he's free from her right now.

He's in first gear because he has someone to solve his problems for him.

This guy can't run the Justice League. It's all Chloe. They've ruined him and elevated her.

Like say.....they way Bruce Wayne will ruin Superman in the Justice League just beause he's more intelligent and resourcefull than our BDA?


I will agree however, that Chloe & Clark have become a little formulaic.....I like it better when they bounce theories off each other and Clark occasionally comes up with the solution himself.

[myankskent]

That post from Deana that CK&CK just quoted says it all. Read that again, I can't say it any better than that.

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by myankskent
What I want is for Chloe to have a life outside of investigating for Clark. All of the things that people have said about Lana over the years where she constantly revolved around Clark, that's what I don't want to see with Chloe either. I want to see some emotion in her character. I don't want to see a machine who can pull up facts from a computer faster than Doogey Houser. And most of all, I want this show to stop being so formulaic this season where Chloe can solve any problem and tell Clark what to do because she knows his secret. I don't want to see the plots run straight through Chloe and have her character drastically impact the outcome of the plot.

Maybe thats what the Chronicles were for....maybe? Possibly?

As it stands, Chloe and Clark are a team, and while some may love, some may hate it, but part of the deal is: Chloe handles the computer, Clark uses the powers.

If we all had our way, Smallville would be a million shows.

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[myankskent]

Originally posted by The Satyr Icon

As it stands, Chloe and Clark are a team, and while some may love, some may hate it, but part of the deal is: Chloe handles the computer, Clark usues the powers.



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Congratulations, you have just given an extremely accurate definition of Big Dumb Alien.

[ma200]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I'm so sick of Chloe's endless impossible to accomplish in such little time computer skills.

This line says a lot more than what I've said on my other posts on this thread.

Straight-foward and to the point.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
This thread shouldn't be closed. Goodness knows the Lana complaint threads aren't. They go on and on and on. Why shouldn't people vent about how ridiculous they think it is that Chloe can do just about anything?

I agree. I don't think there's any sort of rule on Ksite against "character bashing" since characters are just fictional made up people and you can't, you know, actually hurt their feelings.:p

Can I just say though that I'm shocked that this thread is the longest thread on the forum? All of the other threads are only a few posts long and this is about 200. I guess this is what happens when there's no ships in an episode.:p

[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by myankskent
Congratulations, you have just given an extremely accurate definition of Big Dumb Alien.
and I am doing nothing but stating the obvious shown for the last 5 years.

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[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by ma200

Straight-foward and to the point.

Word.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I agree. I don't think there's any sort of rule on Ksite against "character bashing" since characters are just fictional made up people and you can't, you know, actually hurt their feelings.:p

Can I just say though that I'm shocked that this thread is the longest thread on the forum? All of the other threads are only a few posts long and this is about 200. I guess this is what happens when there's no ships in an episode.:p

Good, it's about time for a Chloe thread where people can vent. We have enough threads for the ships and Lana.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I agree. I don't think there's any sort of rule on Ksite against "character bashing" since characters are just fictional made up people and you can't, you know, actually hurt their feelings.:p


:lol: Agreed.

[WriteAngel]

MBCorp, love your new avatar....awesome!

[Kal'sGirl]

Arrival
Clark saves the day (Chloe in hospital)

Mortal
Chloe tried to help but their angle didn’t solve the issue
Clark saves the day

Hidden
Clark dies, Chloe is trapped
Clark saves the day

Aqua
Clark saves the day(Chloe in one scene)

Thirst
Clark saves the day (Chloe in hospital)

Exposed
Chloe and Clark investigate
Chloe does grunt work
Clark does grunt work
They are a team
Clark saves the day
Chloe gets the bad guy

Splinter
Prof. Fine “saves the day”

Solitude
Clark is emotional
Chloe finds out Fine is evil
She goes to the fortress because Lionel GUIDED HER AND LED THE WAY
Clark saves the day

Lexmas
Clark calls Santa from Suicide
Clark delivers presents
Clark saves the day

Fanatic
Lois thinks she saves the day
Clark saves the day

Reckoning
Honestly? Clark saves Lana and his father perishes
No one saves the day

Vengence
Clark saves the day

Tomb
A ghost saves the day

Cyborg
Clark and Lana save the day

Hypnotic
Chloe finds out about simone.
Chloe saves the day

Void
Clark is searching for fine
Chloe tries to help Lana
Chloe saves Lex
Clark saves Lana
A bone saw saves the day

Fragile
Clark saves the day

Mercy
Lionel and Clark save the day

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by myankskent
That post from Deana that CK&CK just quoted says it all. Read that again, I can't say it any better than that.

Oh but one can.....because it fails to really point out that the problem isn't so much that they have elevated Chloe....it's they haven't elevated Clark at the same pace (unless Deana mentions that somewhere else?). Mortal was the first episode this season to really showcase this weakness.

[Deana]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Like say.....they way Bruce Wayne will ruin Superman in the Justice League just beause he's more intelligent and resourcefull than our BDA?


I will agree however, that Chloe & Clark have become a little formulaic.....I like it better when they bounce theories off each other and Clark occasionally comes up with the solution himself.

As of right now, Chloe would give Bruce a run for his money on being Clark's intelligent human aquaintance. Imo, that's not a good thing and it in no way helps Clark grow into Superman.

I loved Chloe before this season. Many of my post before the writers bright idea to elivate her to this fashion, defended her.

I like when she's hanging around with her cousin and being a normal college girl. This leading Clark around by the nose has got to stop.

It's like they are setting her up for a huge fall.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Deana
As of right now, Chloe would give Bruce a run for his money on being Clark's intelligent human aquaintance. Imo, that's not a good thing and it in no way helps Clark grow into Superman.

I loved Chloe before this season. Many of my post before the writers bright idea to elivate her to this fashion, defended her.

I like when she's hanging around with her cousin and being a normal college girl. This leading Clark around by the nose has got to stop.

It's like they are setting her up for a huge fall.

I agree with the "nose leading" but if Clark was written more intelligently this wouldn't be an issue....in fact the dynamics of their team work would be so far off the scale as well as fun to watch. And I have to continue to ask...."Why do they continue to do this?".....Just so he can be the brawn and they can show off his powers?......That does irk me.....because it limits his character. Hey, I like routing for the two of them when they solve cases together. But if Chloe's the only one showing the brains.....well, then I guess I'm stuck routing just for her.

[snafu2dj]

I thought this was about computer skills.

Girls only like guys who have skills, like bowhunting skills, nunchuck skills, and COMPUTER HACKING SKILLS.

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by myankskent
I admit that she has had certain storylines in the past, like with Lionel, even though it did involve Clark,

Well, there's not too many story arcs that they'll do that won't involve Clark in some way. The whole show is about Clark!! :p

I mean, we all know how pissed off everyone was with the stones in season 4 and how it was All. About. Lana. and Clark was mainly left out of it for most of the season. Do you want that to happen again? Wait, don't answer that. :p


Based on that, I bring up the fact that Chloe never has a boyfriend on this show

She just hasn't found The Right Guy... yet. ;)


never has episodes going into her family history

Jitters, Tempest (a small reference), Lineage, Scare, Tomb

Also? From what we know, Chloe just isn't comfortable talking about her family life to people. She kept her mother's illness a secret from Clark for 3 months (Scare) and as of Tomb, even "Lois" didn't know about it either. Clark was the only one who knew. I'm betting that her and Gabe don't have that great a relationship either, seeing as how he was always working late and she was ALWAYS at the Torch.


and never has any storylines with her friends outside of Clark.

Her and Pete hung out a lot in the earlier seasons.

In Magnetic she went to the carnival with Lana.

Her and "Lois" hang out a lot (off the top of my head the karaoke in Pariah, which Lana was also there)

This season, she's not only got classes, but she's also working at the Daily Planet. That's her priority, along with being Clark's confidante. She's in a position that no one else is in.


give Chloe a life outside of reporting. Those are things that can give her a little personality and emotion.

She does, they just don't show a lot of it onscreen.

How do you think she gets all the contacts she has?

Chad the Goth, the police officer in Stray, Heinrich from a season 2 ep (can't think of the title, sorry), she has some contacts at the Met PD, amongst many others.

In Exile, it was mentioned that she hung out with some girls from the Daily Planet and they went to clubs.

Let us not forget Jimmy. :p

It's the end of the season right now so things are shifting focus to get in gear for the finale.

[nomad]

The computer aspects of SV have always been kinda lame; they just loop some flash animation and that's it, showing nmap like in the Matrix would help.

[batfinx]

I think Chloe's skills have become predictably comical in the same way as Lana saying "secrets and lies" so often :lol: She picked up a piece of electronic equipment and not only knew what it was, she knew it was homemade. It's not just that she's an ace hacker, it's that she knows everything and how to use everything. She's used sophisticated sound separation equipment, she's pinpointed power surges, she tracked Lana down via her student ID card and now she triangulated rerouted reversed and piggybacked surveillance signals. I'm sorry, but it's absurd. Most of that goes far beyond hacking in any sense of the word. Is she really Brainiac's daughter? When she gets tired does she plug herself into the cigarette lighter to recharch her batteries?

[Deana]

Originally posted by batfinx
I think Chloe's skills have become predictably comical in the same way as Lana saying "secrets and lies" so often :lol: She picked up a piece of electronic equipment and not only knew what it was, she knew it was homemade. It's not just that she's an ace hacker, it's that she knows everything and how to use everything. She's used sophisticated sound separation equipment, she's pinpointed power surges, she tracked Lana down via her student ID card and now she triangulated rerouted reversed and piggybacked surveillance signals. I'm sorry, but it's absurd. Most of that goes far beyond hacking in any sense of the word. Is she really Brainiac's daughter? When she gets tired does she plug herself into the cigarette lighter to recharch her batteries?

With this, I do agree. It was stretched beyonds it limits with "Mercy."

I wonder what we'll have to put up with next week? Maybe Chloe creating a remote control to Fine's ship and flying it back to SV. :rolleyes:

[gemini]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
This thread shouldn't be closed. Goodness knows the Lana complaint threads aren't. They go on and on and on. Why shouldn't people vent about how ridiculous they think it is that Chloe can do just about anything? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

15 just to complain about a character, aren't you tired?
Last week Lana this week Chloe, next week Lois........

Merrrrde!!!!

[nomad]

I also have to state an obvious fact that hacking != cracking [read: hacking is not cracking]. Cracking = to break into a computer system; hacking = programming/creating something new and/or useful.

[MaximRecoil]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
IT'S A SHOW ABOUT A BOY FROM ANOTHER PLANET WHO CAN LIFT TRACTORS AND WILL ONE DAY FLY. Unrealistic computer hacking is not exactly something you can complain about if you're willing to believe the rest.

There's an old axiom in fiction writing which says it's okay to ask a reader to believe the impossible but not the improbable. For example, it's okay to say that a maniac has activated an antimatter bomb in the wall safe, but it's not okay to say that someone miraculously guessed the right combination on the first try.

http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/AI.html
Superman/Clark Kent's powers = the impossible, i.e. the antimatter bomb in the wall safe. Chloe's computer skills = the improbable, i.e. miraculously guessing the right combination on the first try.

Clark Kent's powers are based on the premise that he is an alien; that's fine. They have given no premise for Chloe's magical computer skills; as far as we know, she is an ordinary human being like you and me, interacting with ordinary current computer technology. Writing it so her character does ridiculous things goes over like a fart in church IMO, in a similar vein as Lana turning into a Kung-Fu expert in like a day's time.

A highly specialized piece of custom built hardware and she plugs it right into her computer and goes to town.

Have drivers for that did you Chloe? right on a disc in your back pocket or what?

Or maybe Windows or MacOS or whatever she was using comes with drivers already installed for unique custom built hardware, lol.

It's transmitting on a rotational code. I'll see if I can hack the sequence and locate the termination point - Chloe Sullivan
"Hack the sequence"? With what? Just whipped up some custom software to do just that thing this morning did you? The same time you obtained drivers for that one-off hardware that you hadn't so much as even layed eyes on yet? Or do you have some mythical one-size-fits-all software that can hack/crack anything and everything, regardless of platform or format? Or maybe you will just miraculously guess the right combination to the safe...er...

[CallMeClark]

I don't see it playing that big of a role. All shows have their "computer geek," who can do this type of stuff. Look at Buffy, they had Willow and Smallville has Chloe. Does it really matter that much? No.

[MaximRecoil]

Originally posted by ma200
Uh huh...police records, hospital records SUV records, MOB RECORDS??? Yeah right, like they're all on the internet.

And yeah sure, it really does take five seconds for her to google into them, what-evah.

And so what if she learnt it from someone else? He's a caricature too just like Chloe.

And yeah whoever said her hacking skills grew was right, only it didn't grow in a believable way, it grew in an OUTRAGEOUS way.
Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Uh, databases aren't on the net or on google. That is why she hacks
Let's compare that to real life, since Chloe is suppose to represent a real life human with no special powers on the show, using real life computer and software technology. When was the last big hacking related news story you heard? When was the last time Microsoft was hacked? Go to microsoft.com and tell me what you see. Is it all well and good, with a normal webpage showing like you would expect, or does it have a page up saying h4x0r3d by 1337 h4x0r!!!!!1111 with porn pictures everywhere? Do you realize how many "hackers" out there would love to hack Microsoft's website? Can you imagine the bragging rights in the hacking community? So how come no one is doing it?

When was the last bank heist you heard of that was done via hacking? How about Yahoo.com, MSN.com, AOL.com, CNN.com, etc., are their sites okay? With millions of hackers out there, why hasn't someone drained Bill Gates' bank account?

Kevin Mitnick was probably the last (and one of the few) "famous" hackers. He used a lot of "social engineering". Why use "social engineering" if you can simply hack into wherever you want, whenever you want? You need to have the right tools, the system you are trying to hack needs to have a hole, and just because you find one hole, doesn't automatically give you access to what you are looking for as there tends to be multiple barriers. Often times you come up against a password and if the common ones don't work, well it is time to spend untold amounts of time trying to crack it (provided you have software for cracking that particular format) and risk being caught, or try to get someone to tell you the password (social engineering).

Chloe has never run into an obstacle, never spent time planning, researching or scoping out a system, never not had the right tool for the job, never consulted with the "hacker community" to resolve a problem (mainly because she has never had a problem, lol), and has never flat out failed, obviously. Being able to hack is not a yes or no thing, like "Can you ride a bike?".

"Can you hack?" = the answer will always be "maybe", but if it is something big, bigger than someone's say Win2K SP Nothing unpatched IIS webserver sitting in a bedroom closet somewhere in Yanksville, Idaho then the answer will be "Uh, probably not, but I can give it the old college try, come back in a week."

[CallMeClark]

Thank's Kal's girl. It seems to be she only saved the day in Hypnotic and Solitude...

[MidgardDragon]

"21) *** NO FAN CAMP THREADS ALLOWED.***
A fan camp thread is when fans on the site set up "I love/hate Chloe/Lana/Clark/the Kent Cows/Keith/ Wallace/ Jackie/ this 'ship" kind of threads whose sole purpose is the gathering of like-minded fans, and by implication, the exclusion of differently-minded fans. This board is here to facilitate discussions, not set up warring camps between fans. No love threads, no hate threads, no appreciation threads, no ____ sucks threads, no "I think this was really good/ bad" threads. DISCUSSION is our aim here, not mitigating the North and South Korea of the fandoms we cover. If you start a thread like this, it'll either be closed or renamed to a more neutral topic."

Just for those who said this thread shouldn't be closed. I hope I'm within my rights for a "gentle one time reminder" mods, as I don't mean to seem like I'm playing moderator. :)

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by gemini
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

15 just to complain about a character, aren't you tired?
Last week Lana this week Chloe, next week Lois........

Am I tired? That's not the question. I didn't open a Lana complaint thread, and I certainly didn't open this one. I think people were opening complaint threads long before I got here. :) By the way I'm not tired, because it's now my turn to vent my frustration about Chloe being able to do everything.


Originally posted by MidgardDragon
"21) *** NO FAN CAMP THREADS ALLOWED.***
A fan camp thread is when fans on the site set up "I love/hate Chloe/Lana/Clark/the Kent Cows/Keith/ Wallace/ Jackie/ this 'ship" kind of threads whose sole purpose is the gathering of like-minded fans, and by implication, the exclusion of differently-minded fans. This board is here to facilitate discussions, not set up warring camps between fans. No love threads, no hate threads, no appreciation threads, no ____ sucks threads, no "I think this was really good/ bad" threads. DISCUSSION is our aim here, not mitigating the North and South Korea of the fandoms we cover. If you start a thread like this, it'll either be closed or renamed to a more neutral topic."

Just for those who said this thread shouldn't be closed. I hope I'm within my rights for a "gentle one time reminder" mods, as I don't mean to seem like I'm playing moderator. :)

Oh like the Lana hate thread was only re-named and not closed? This is a proper thread about Chloe's computer skills. At least this thread isn't named "I hate Chloe" like the re-named Lana thread (it's not closed, by the way, just re-named). So no, it shouldn't be closed, that would be blatantly unfair. This is NOT a fan camp thread. It is a thread to discuss an aspect of the show we find unbelievable. No one's being excluded, and the thread's name is more than neutral.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by LastingChlarker
Well, if it makes clark look stupid - or overshadows him at times - then I say the problem is not with Chloe's characterisation but with clark's IMO. They shouldn't dumb down the women just to make Clark look good. Maybe, instead, they just need to spend more time developping him and strengthening him...

As a few of the cast members have said in the past, the show has struggled with balancing the roles. Especially when it comes to the women. I think if Smallville was able to balance everyone out - ie. writing strong females AND keeping a strong Clark - then it would be much better.

AMEN!
Strong female leads are just what I want to see being portrayed.
We need more more Chloes on TV. Whether they be on 24 or Smallville.:cool:

[cotton candy girl]

Just balance them out with the other characters, and I'm ok with it. Don't make them the hero, while the real hero pales in comparison. If they want the woman to be THE hero, it shouldn't be on a show about the future Superman.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Am I tired? That's not the question. I didn't open a Lana complaint thread, and I certainly didn't open this one. I think people were opening complaint threads long before I got here. :) By the way I'm not tired, because it's now my turn to vent my frustration about Chloe being able to do everything.



Oh like the Lana hate thread was only re-named and not closed? This is a proper thread about Chloe's ridiculous computer skills. At least this thread isn't named "I hate Chloe" like the re-named Lana thread (it's not closed, by the way, just re-named). So no, it shouldn't be closed, that would be blatantly unfair. This is NOT a fan camp thread. It is a thread to discuss an aspect of the show we find unbelievable. No one's being excluded, and the thread's name is more than neutral.

Lana bashing threads should be closed just as fast as Chloe bashing threads. I don't know what happened with last week's Lana bash, but perhaps they stopped bashing? If the Chloe-hate/camping stops in this thread I'm sure it won't be closed either, I was just pointing out the rule this violates, not wishing for it to be closed. And now I shutup, as I'm breaking a certain rule too so I'm gonna scurry out of here. :x

[cotton candy girl]

Does Lana-bashing stop here? Meh. This is NOT a fan camp thread. What, no one is supposed to discuss how unbelievable Chloe's computer skills are? Is Chloe sacrosanct? I know I'm not saying I hate the girl; this is just an aspect of discussion.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Does Lana-bashing stop here? Meh. This is NOT a fan camp thread. What, no one is supposed to discuss how unbelievable Chloe's computer skills are? Is Chloe sacrosanct? I know I'm not saying I hate the girl; this is just an aspect of discussion.

I wasn't saying you were, I was saying it was occuring in this thread, and that wether it's intention started as fancamp, it certainly came close to being that at one point. Anyways, the point of this thread is to discuss Chloe, so I consider the issue dropped. I'm gonna turn off my email notifications so I stop responding. ;)

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Just balance them out with the other characters, and I'm ok with it. Don't make them the hero, while the real hero pales in comparison. If they want the woman to be THE hero, it shouldn't be on a show about the future Superman.


Agreed. Which is why I see the problem being with Clark's developement and not Chloe's. Her unrealistic computor skills are what she brings to the table. Computer skills along with investigative reporting is her way of saving the day. Chloe admits to Clark last night that computer skills areNOT one of his abilities. Clark has accepted this. I wish everyone would just go along with it as well. It's just something that one has to accept as part of the canon. There are many, we should be used to it.;)

I find the real problem that some fans have is that Clark seems to rely on his friends tooo much for the future Superman. Every hero has a trusty sidekick. It isn't necessary to dumb them down to elevate the hero.
Just write the hero better. Leave what the sidekick brings to the table alone.:)

[Dannyblue1]

I think Chloe's computer skills are just a plot devise. They use them to reveal information, and get character A to point B as quickly and easily as possible. In that sense, I think the writing is indeed quite lazy on that score. "We need Clark to know something. Have him Chloe look on the computer to tell him. We need Clark to find someone. Have Chloe use her computer skills to point him in the right direction." It's just become the easy out for the writers. Basically, Chloe is as good with computers as the writers need her to be in a given episode. And, if that's unbelievably good, so be it. It's definately one of the show's flaws. There's a way to show Chloe helping Clark using her computer skills without taking it over the top.

That being said, I think folks are blowing it way out of proportion. Chloe being good with computers isn't overshadowing Clark or stifling his development. The writers are doing that. It is possible for more than one character at a time to be competant.

I don't know. It seems like people are saying the only way Clark can be a hero is if he does everything himself and doesn't get any help from anyone. But that's just not true. Since people keep bringing up BtVS, I'll use that as an example. Buffy always had help. And other people besides Buffy often saved the day. But that didn't make her any less the hero. Because while others (like Giles and Willow) were good at what they did, Buffy was good at what she did.

Chloe doesn't have to be diminished in order for Clark to be more of a hero. Clark just needs more of that development we've been waiting for for five seasons.

[nomad]

Originally posted by MaximRecoil
Let's compare that to real life, since Chloe is suppose to represent a real life human with no special powers on the show, using real life computer and software technology. When was the last big hacking related news story you heard? When was the last time Microsoft was hacked? Go to microsoft.com and tell me what you see. Is it all well and good, with a normal webpage showing like you would expect, or does it have a page up saying h4x0r3d by 1337 h4x0r!!!!!1111 with porn pictures everywhere? Do you realize how many "hackers" out there would love to hack Microsoft's website? Can you imagine the bragging rights in the hacking community? So how come no one is doing it?

It wasn't that long ago when Google News was defaced and trolled with fake news.....RIAA's website is also defaced from time to time


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
Kevin Mitnick was probably the last (and one of the few) "famous" hackers. He used a lot of "social engineering". Why use "social engineering" if you can simply hack into wherever you want, whenever you want? You need to have the right tools, the system you are trying to hack needs to have a hole, and just because you find one hole, doesn't automatically give you access to what you are looking for as there tends to be multiple barriers. Often times you come up against a password and if the common ones don't work, well it is time to spend untold amounts of time trying to crack it (provided you have software for cracking that particular format) and risk being caught, or try to get someone to tell you the password (social engineering).

Mitnick was a cracker and he cracked into computers.


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
Chloe has never run into an obstacle, never spent time planning, researching or scoping out a system

It's called footprinting.


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
never not had the right tool for the job

Only script kiddies use pre-made tools, real tools are custom self-made applications.


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
never consulted with the "hacker community" to resolve a problem

You never, ever tell anyone about your plans or problems, because talking = getting caught.


"Can you hack?" = the answer will always be "maybe", but if it is something big, bigger than someone's say Win2K SP Nothing unpatched IIS webserver sitting in a bedroom closet somewhere in Yanksville, Idaho then the answer will be "Uh, probably not, but I can give it the old college try, come back in a week."

The answer isn't "maybe", it's time, everything is possible if you're highly motivated and patient.
There are enough unpatched UNIX servers out there waiting for someone to notice + all those crappy IIS servers.

[MaximRecoil]

It wasn't that long ago when Google News was defaced and trolled with fake news.....RIAA's website is also defaced from time to timeWhich is not particularly often considering the number of hackers in the world.

Mitnick was a cracker and he cracked into computers.What of it? Chloe also portrays a "cracker" who "cracks" into computers. The common-speak term is "hacker" to cover the whole ball of wax, and that isn't going to change any time soon.

It's called footprinting.What about it?

Only script kiddies use pre-made tools, real tools are custom self-made applications.Again, what of it? I never made any claims either way regarding whether or not the tools were pre-made or not, and no, no-one makes all of their tools. I don't know what you are trying to get at here; has there ever been a scene depicting Chloe writing new software for her hacking purposes? (lol) And of course, that would only take a few seconds too...

You never, ever tell anyone about your plans or problems, because talking = getting caught.No, there is no such "rule". You can speak for yourself if you want.

The answer isn't "maybe", it's time, everything is possible if you're highly motivated and patient.Not necessarily, even if you are making the statement regarding a single hacker with known abilities and a given system; and your statement is even less accurate if you are trying to apply it across the board to any system one cares to name, and to hackers in general. Far too many variables.

There are enough unpatched UNIX servers out there waiting for someone to notice + all those crappy IIS servers.Sure, there will always be some system out there to hack, but there is no guarantee you will be able to do an ad hoc hack of a specific system that all of the sudden you decide you want or need to get into.

[IVODARK]

The thing about this particular case, is that unless the building where martha was being kept was soundproof, he didn't need Chloe's help to find it at all. All he needed to do was to use his super-hearing to pick up Martha's particular heartbeats and then just follow the sound.

Yes, he can do that. And that's the reason he doesn't need a sidekick. He's freakin' SUPERMAN (well, sort of).

[nomad]

Originally posted by MaximRecoil
The common-speak term is "hacker" to cover the whole ball of wax, and that isn't going to change any time soon.

True, atleast for as long as people are deliberately using the wrong term.


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
No, there is no such "rule". You can speak for yourself if you want.

That's true if you're one of those guys who get some degree, and think that they're so leet and brag about their skiddie skills, and wonder what went wrong when they get caught for some unethical deed.


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
there is no guarantee you will be able to do an ad hoc hack of a specific system that all of the sudden you decide you want or need to get into.

I don't remember making such innuendo; ad hoc defacements are usually not done without prior footprinting.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Oh but one can.....because it fails to really point out that the problem isn't so much that they have elevated Chloe....it's they haven't elevated Clark at the same pace (unless Deana mentions that somewhere else?). Mortal was the first episode this season to really showcase this weakness.

Come on, be honest with yourself for a minute, how in the world can they elevate Clark to Chloe's level? They set the bar too high with a character that shouldn't be this significant. Even Superman shouldn't be this perfect the way Chloe is portrayed. I love how everyone says that they should make Clark better than Chloe and that he is the problem, ever hear of setting the bar to high or is that a foreign concept to some of you?


Originally posted by chlarklove
Well, there's not too many story arcs that they'll do that won't involve Clark in some way. The whole show is about Clark!! :p

I mean, we all know how pissed off everyone was with the stones in season 4 and how it was All. About. Lana. and Clark was mainly left out of it for most of the season. Do you want that to happen again? Wait, don't answer that. :p



She just hasn't found The Right Guy... yet. ;)



Jitters, Tempest (a small reference), Lineage, Scare, Tomb

Also? From what we know, Chloe just isn't comfortable talking about her family life to people. She kept her mother's illness a secret from Clark for 3 months (Scare) and as of Tomb, even "Lois" didn't know about it either. Clark was the only one who knew. I'm betting that her and Gabe don't have that great a relationship either, seeing as how he was always working late and she was ALWAYS at the Torch.



Her and Pete hung out a lot in the earlier seasons.

In Magnetic she went to the carnival with Lana.

Her and "Lois" hang out a lot (off the top of my head the karaoke in Pariah, which Lana was also there)

This season, she's not only got classes, but she's also working at the Daily Planet. That's her priority, along with being Clark's confidante. She's in a position that no one else is in.



She does, they just don't show a lot of it onscreen.

How do you think she gets all the contacts she has?

Chad the Goth, the police officer in Stray, Heinrich from a season 2 ep (can't think of the title, sorry), she has some contacts at the Met PD, amongst many others.

In Exile, it was mentioned that she hung out with some girls from the Daily Planet and they went to clubs.

Let us not forget Jimmy. :p

It's the end of the season right now so things are shifting focus to get in gear for the finale.

All that you've described above only proves the fact that Chloe's character is farfetched. The fact that a girl like her can have all of these contacts is ridiculous. And I don't care what happens offscreen, we see her all of the time onscreen. There's never an episode that she is not in. Now with Lionel, there are episodes that he is not in so if someone says that he does things offscreen, I can buy that, but we see every move that Chloe makes, especially this season. You're justifying the fact that Chloe can do what she does by saying another proposterous thing, the fact that Chloe does all of these things offscreen. How many hours are in the day for goodness sakes!

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by myankskent
Come on, be honest with yourself for a minute, how in the world can they elevate Clark to Chloe's level? They set the bar too high with a character that shouldn't be this significant. Even Superman shouldn't be this perfect the way Chloe is portrayed. I love how everyone says that they should make Clark better than Chloe and that he is the problem, ever hear of setting the bar to high or is that a foreign concept to some of you?

Well, maybe I'm missing something but I don't think having unrealistic hacking abilities is setting the bar to high. It's been said in this thread already, Chloe's become a plot device. She's hardly a character anymore. She's just there to provide imformation and hack her way through everything when the writers can't come up with another way for Clark to resolve certain problems.

She's hardly perfect or "sets the bar to high". She is just an outcome of laziness on the part of the people who write this show.

[MaximRecoil]

True, atleast for as long as people are deliberately using the wrong term.Most people don't care about the proper term, when "hacker" works fine and everyone knows what you are talking about. Language is all about communication, and a more widely used and understood term makes for more effective communication than an obscure "in the know" term.

That's true if you're one of those guys who get some degree, and think that they're so leet and brag about their skiddie skills.Maybe you don't have any trustworthy friends, but most people do. I have friends I've known for 25+ years, and we did some stupid things as kids together that could get you in as much trouble or more than most forms of hacking. I'd be about as concerned about them "telling on me" as I'd be concerned that the sun might not rise tomorrow.

I don't remember making such innuendo; ad hoc defacements are usually not done without prior footprinting.And of course, if prior footprinting is involved, then it is not ad hoc at all. The thing is, everything that Chloe does on the show is ad hoc.

[nomad]

Originally posted by MaximRecoil
Most people don't care about the proper term, when "hacker" works fine and everyone knows what you are talking about. Language is all about communication, and a more widely used and understood term makes for more effective communication than an obscure "in the know" term.

Of course they don't care, they're brainwashed by media and ignorant people, and they think that hackers are evil.


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
Maybe you don't have any trustworthy friends, but most people do. I have friends I've known for 25+ years, and we did some stupid things as kids together that could get you in as much trouble or more than most forms of hacking. I'd be about as concerned about them "telling on me" as I'd be concerned that the sun might not rise tomorrow.

Niccolo Machiavelli had a theory that people will turn they're backs on their friends/relatives etc. if they get paid enough or if they need to save themselves, and this theory has proven itself over the years many times.


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
And of course, if prior footprinting is involved, then it is not ad hoc at all. The thing is, everything that Chloe does on the show is ad hoc.

It would be kinda useless to apply a patch meant for Windows to a Linux box, now wouldn't it?

Anyway, I rest my case.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Well, maybe I'm missing something but I don't think having unrealistic hacking abilities is setting the bar to high. It's been said in this thread already, Chloe's become a plot device. She's hardly a character anymore. She's just there to provide imformation and hack her way through everything when the writers can't come up with another way for Clark to resolve certain problems.

She's hardly perfect or "sets the bar to high". She is just an outcome of laziness on the part of the people who write this show.

I disagree, if Chloe can solve any case the way she has been, you can't make Clark above that. Chloe is way at the top, she struggles with nothing. She sees something, recognizes it with her years and years of experience:lol: , and takes action. You can't have a more intelligent character on this show unless you make everyone a genius. That's why I feel that Chloe has set the bar way too high. And that is why you have people calling Clark a big dumb alien, this way Chloe looks like the intelligent one and Clark looks like the moron who uses his powers to save people once Chloe gives him the instructions. Is that Superman? If you think it is, this conversation ends now because you know nothing about him.

[Liriel]

Clark's been a moron since the second season, if you ask many of the people here. And Chloe had nothing to do with that.

While I don't care for Chloe's computer skills, I'm fine with the rest of her deeds. They were quite in line with the type of show this is or something Lois might have done on LnC.

And I think Chloe is certainly a character, and a good one too. Because she has goals and is consistent in trying to achieve them (journalism) and because she has shown continual growth.

The one thing I'd like is for her to have some storyline of her own that isn't directly assisting Clark, even if it's tied in (note that she has had these before, I'd just like to get back to that). That's always good for a character. Heck, I was enthusiastic about Lana and her spaceship fascination at the beginning of the season - something she was pursuing on her own without asking for or accepting the resources/assistance of others. For the first time she was actively eschewing the assistance of others an doing something totally on her own. Unfortunately a potentially interesting storyline gave way to Lexana and a love triangle.

[MaximRecoil]

Niccolo Machiavelli had a theory that people will turn they're backs on their friends/relatives etc. if they get paid enough or if they need to save themselves, and this theory has proven itself over the years many times.I don't have any squirrelly friends. If you have done something serious enough that the authorities are willing to pay or cut a deal to get you, you have bigger things to worry about than what you have talked to your friends about anyway.

It would be kinda useless to apply a patch meant for Windows to a Linux box, now wouldn't it?Yes it would be useless, not to mention impossible, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Your statement doesn't follow from anything that I posted.

Anyway, I rest my case.
Okay, though I'm not sure what case you were trying to make. You seem to have some different ideas about what terminology should be used, but you didn't seem to disagree with my main point in my original post that you replied to.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by myankskent
I disagree, if Chloe can solve any case the way she has been, you can't make Clark above that. Chloe is way at the top, she struggles with nothing. She sees something, recognizes it with her years and years of experience:lol: , and takes action. You can't have a more intelligent character on this show unless you make everyone a genius. That's why I feel that Chloe has set the bar way too high. And that is why you have people calling Clark a big dumb alien, this way Chloe looks like the intelligent one and Clark looks like the moron who uses his powers to save people once Chloe gives him the instructions. Is that Superman? If you think it is, this conversation ends now because you know nothing about him.

No, that's not Superman, and that's exactly my point. In most plots, Chloe is (should be) uneccesary. The future Superman should be able to solve his problems by himself at this point. But, then again, because of his abilitites Superman never has much to "solve". He just goes up in the air and scans the globe or something. He's not Batman. He's not a detective. Never needed to be one, because of the above. And if you knew Superman you'd probably know that. If you ask if I think Smallville's Clark acts like the other incarnations of Superman I know would act, then the answer is no, for the most part. Because even though Superman is not a detective, Clark's a reporter. So he know more than the basics on how to resolve a mistery. Most of the time, he dooesn't need to. And if it gets to difficult, he just calls Batman.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by Liriel
Clark's been a moron since the second season, if you ask many of the people here. And Chloe had nothing to do with that.

While I don't care for Chloe's computer skills, I'm fine with the rest of her deeds. They were quite in line with the type of show this is or something Lois might have done on LnC.

And I think Chloe is certainly a character, and a good one too. Because she has goals and is consistent in trying to achieve them (journalism) and because she has shown continual growth.

The one thing I'd like is for her to have some storyline of her own that isn't directly assisting Clark, even if it's tied in (note that she has had these before, I'd just like to get back to that). That's always good for a character. Heck, I was enthusiastic about Lana and her spaceship fascination at the beginning of the season - something she was pursuing on her own without asking for or accepting the resources/assistance of others. For the first time she was actively eschewing the assistance of others an doing something totally on her own. Unfortunately a potentially interesting storyline gave way to Lexana and a love triangle.

I agree...for the most part of character progression/plot as you indicated. But Superman is in fact Sci-Fi, and not fact, which requires us to suspend belief in some of those area not found in everyday life....including computer skills.

And yet we see hackers worldwide transmitting viruses etc....disabling networks globally for periods even days at a time. And the result is usually capture and imprisonment.

If Smallville were real life and not Sci-Fi, Chloe would be in our real world imprisoned by now along with others characters on the show who have threaten and have done violence.

Prosecution wise things done and said in Smallville would have people brought up on kidnapping rape sexual assualt and other miscellaneous charges not mention hacking.

But we try to enjoy Smallville as I think a very good show with flaws.:cool:

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Here's Chloe in a nutshell this season. Clark goes to her for help, she does the investigating and hacking, either Chloe saves the day or Clark saves the day based on the fact that Chloe gives him the knowledge he needs in order to do so. Now you throw a few episodes in where Lois is on the show and TAGS along with Chloe, fires off a couple of jokes, as Chloe solves the mystery. Now if that's not at all tiresome on this show, I don't know what is. Let's also not forget the fact that Chloe has also taken care of business physically as well and has gotten away with him. She slams Lex into the cave wall, ramifications? A brief scene where Lex tells Chloe that she is playing a dangerous game. She arrives at the fortress to save Clark from Brainiac, Brainiac does not go after her which he should've done, instead, he goes after Clark and gets destroyed. Then in Hypnotic, and this is the most atrocious scene of them all, she takes down Lex who has a gun. Lex is standing there all weak with the gun while Chloe is able to violently throw Lex's arms out of her way and Simone gets shot. Let's also throw in the fact that Chloe was able to take down Gabrielle who had a gun as well. So there's proof, just in this season, that Chloe has been unbelievably successful with solving these mysteries, and there will be more to come before this season is out I can tell you, as well as win physical battles with men on more than once occasion!


Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
I agree...for the most part of character progression/plot as you indicated. But Superman is in fact Sci-Fi, and not fact, which requires us to suspend belief in some of those area not found in everyday life....including computer skills.

And yet we see hackers worldwide transmitting viruses etc....disabling networks globally for periods even days at a time. And the result is usually capture and imprisonment.

If Smallville were real life and not Sci-Fi, Chloe would be in our real world imprisoned by now along with others characters on the show who have threaten and have done violence.

Prosecution wise things done and said in Smallville would have people brought up on kidnapping rape sexual assualt and other miscellaneous charges not mention hacking.

But we try to enjoy Smallville as I think a very good show with flaws.:cool:

Just because you watch a show that has people with superpowers doesn't mean that the mortal characters can do crazy things. Mortals have to be represented as such. Name me a character on this show that does as much as Chloe for a mortal on this show. When it comes to Clark, skies the limit, because he has powers and we have to judge him on that, but when it comes to Chloe, she is a normal person who is 18 years old and can take down men in physical combat as well as hack into places time and time again. I'm all for a little unrealism, but with Chloe, it is way over the top.

And one last thing, for those of you who continue to say that Chloe has been doing this stuff all throughout the series, that's where you're wrong. During the high school years of this show, Chloe did one thing over and over, that is, look up information on people online. I can accept that, maybe she has a source and she has a way to get information on people like criminal records and stuff. Is it believable? Of course not, but it was done so many times that you took it for granted that she can do it. But this season is totally different. This season she is redirecting signals from a computer that isn't even hers, she is recognizing the fact that a transmitter is homemade and top of the line, she is using a laptop computer, which by the way, can't get internet access unless you are in a hotspot, but we'll let that one go, to unlock doors at Luthorcorp. So that shows that her character has gotten way out of hand during this season which is why this is a topic for discussion.