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[The Satyr Icon]

Originally posted by myankskent
And one last thing, for those of you who continue to say that Chloe has been doing this stuff all throughout the series, that's where you're wrong.

Correct; many have simply showed how she could have acquired skills throughout the series and grow in character; otherwise she'd stagnant character that just.takes.up.plot. Is it a stretch? Possible; more shame on the writers than anything else. But consider the fact they are writing Chloe to have those skills. What does that tell you how they feel about her intellectual capacity? Chloe is skilled, whether one likes it or hates it.

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[Watching Smallville]

I'm not put off by the Chloe hacking. Chloe is a computer hacker. She always has been. And it's the only thing she does. What other skills does she have? This is her only skill -- hacking and writing. And this is the way she spends all her time -- at the computer. She is not saving the day. Clark is saving the day. When he had help from Pete, Pete didn't get bashed. He gets help from Chloe, but that's it. Clark does the heavy lifting.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Of course Clark does the heavy lifting....he's Chloe's "SuperClark"!

Chloe only aids in saving the day as SuperClark's "sidekick" with special skills and abilities as a strong role modeled female....in Science Fiction, mind you.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Of course Clark does the heavy lifting....he's Chloe's "SuperClark"!

Chloe only aids in saving the day as SuperClark's "sidekick" with special skills and abilities as a strong role modeled female....in Science Fiction, mind you.

The thing is, by now, Clark shouldn't need a sidekick anymore.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by IVODARK
The thing is, by now, Clark shouldn't need a sidekick anymore.

This season's Synopsis as Al Gough indicated as "Superman in Training, Chloe is at the Daily Planet giving Clark the resources needed to help fight crime.

We all know and have seen it posted a GAZILLION, UMP TEENTH TRILLION times.....Clark should be able to find crime on his own......not be breast fed by Chloe!! She's part of character Interaction/progression...like it or not!!

(That feeding part I put in.....but I still support the idea of Chloe as her SuperClark's sidekick.)

After this season, then we shall have to see, in post and pre-season interviews where Al Gough takes the series next.......stay tuned to K-site's News Page for further developements and interviews....not to mention Smallville Mag. for some.:lol: :cool:

[myankskent]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Of course Clark does the heavy lifting....he's Chloe's "SuperClark"!

Chloe only aids in saving the day as SuperClark's "sidekick" with special skills and abilities as a strong role modeled female....in Science Fiction, mind you.

Well if you're going to take Chloe's character and justify it because this is a science fiction show, then you are basically admitting to me that there is not much difference between Clark and Chloe. One has physical superpowers and the other has mental superpowers. One is supposed to have those abilities and the other is not, catching on here?


Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
This season's Synopsis as Al Gough indicated as "Superman in Training, Chloe is at the Daily Planet giving Clark the resources needed to help fight crime.

We all know and have seen it posted a GAZILLION, UMP TEENTH TRILLION times.....Clark should be able to find crime on his own......not be breast fed by Chloe!! She's part of character Interaction/progression...like it or not!!

(That feeding part I put in.....but I still support the idea of Chloe as her SuperClark's sidekick.)

After this season, then we shall have to see, in post and pre-season interviews where Al Gough takes the series next.......stay tuned to K-site's News Page for further developements and interviews....not to mention Smallville Mag. for some.:lol: :cool:

Resources are one thing, but on field battle is another. Chloe is not in the daily planet doing all of this stuff, she is out on the battle field as well and taking things like transmitters that don't even belong to her and redirecting them. That's where it's over the top. Back in the other seasons, Chloe was the helper, but Clark worked alone. He got information and did what he thought was right with it. He abandoned everyone around him and took action and made decisions all by himself. Now that Chloe knows the secret, this is not the case anymore. It's a hand holding fest to the extreme.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
This season's Synopsis as Al Gough indicated as "Superman in Training, Chloe is at the Daily Planet giving Clark the resources needed to help fight crime.

We all know and have seen it posted a GAZILLION, UMP TEENTH TRILLION times.....Clark should be able to find crime on his own......not be breast fed by Chloe!! She's part of character Interaction/progression...like it or not!!

(That feeding part I put in.....but I still support the idea of Chloe as her SuperClark's sidekick.)

After this season, then we shall have to see, in post and pre-season interviews where Al Gough takes the series next.......stay tuned to K-site's News Page for further developements and interviews....not to mention Smallville Mag. for some.:lol: :cool:

And may I ask why do you support the idea of Chloe being "SuperClark's sidekick"? Who is that training? I thought the whole point of having a sidekick was that the main hero is training them.

[jaime,oburg]

I don't think Clark sees Chloe as his sidekick so much as he sees her as the person he can turn to in times of need. There is a difference.
Everyone, even our greatest of superheros need somebody to lean on as the saying goes. This is the part of Clark's humanity. Whether that need be unrealistic computer skills, or a shoulder to cry on when he is having girlfriend problems, Chloe is the one he turns to. No matter how invinsable one may be everyone needs someone to have their back, a person to turn to and rely on. Chloe has done a hell of a lot more then use her computer to help out Clark this season.

[angelfire east]

I agree with IVODARK & myankskent Great posts guys:)

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

I stand by my post as opinion!

[superspider02]

i like chloe's character but some times she is doing many impossible things but that is how they have writtern her character to be. We just have to accept that and like others said in earlyer posts it is a scifi show about an alien so things can be done that is impossible and seem real at times.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
I don't think Clark sees Chloe as his sidekick so much as he sees her as the person he can turn to in times of need. There is a difference.
Everyone, even our greatest of superheros need somebody to lean on as the saying goes. This is the part of Clark's humanity. Whether that need be unrealistic computer skills, or a shoulder to cry on when he is having girlfriend problems, Chloe is the one he turns to. No matter how invinsable one may be everyone needs someone to have their back, a person to turn to and rely on. Chloe has done a hell of a lot more then use her computer to help out Clark this season.

This I totally agree with.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
I don't think Clark sees Chloe as his sidekick so much as he sees her as the person he can turn to in times of need. There is a difference.
Everyone, even our greatest of superheros need somebody to lean on as the saying goes. This is the part of Clark's humanity. Whether that need be unrealistic computer skills, or a shoulder to cry on when he is having girlfriend problems, Chloe is the one he turns to. No matter how invinsable one may be everyone needs someone to have their back, a person to turn to and rely on. Chloe has done a hell of a lot more then use her computer to help out Clark this season.

Basically, Chloe is JorEl. Instead of Clark talking to JorEl and learning from him, he is learning from an 18 year old girl. So I guess there's another character on this show that Chloe interferes with. Helping Clark with girl problems and stuff, that's fine. But she helps him with every facet of his life, and his life is nothing like a mortal. Chloe should not be this intelligent.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
I stand by my post as opinion!

Hey, I wasn't implying you are not entitled to your opinion.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by superspider02
i like chloe's character but some times she is doing many impossible things but that is how they have writtern her character to be. We just have to accept that and like others said in earlyer posts it is a scifi show about an alien so things can be done that is impossible and seem real at times.


Yes!

I call her "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" Chloe!!:cool:

Love her!:D :p :lol:

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by myankskent
Basically, Chloe is JorEl. Instead of Clark talking to JorEl and learning from him, he is learning from an 18 year old girl. So I guess there's another character on this show that Chloe interferes with. Helping Clark with girl problems and stuff, that's fine. But she helps him with every facet of his life, and his life is nothing like a mortal. Chloe should not be this intelligent.

Somehow, I get the feeling you don't like Chloe all that much :\

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Somehow, I get the feeling I don't like Chloe all that much :\ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[IVODARK]

Typo, Sorry

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

quote: Originally posted by IVODARK Somehow, I get the feeling I don't like Chloe all that much



Originally posted by jaime,oburg
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Uh, jaime,oburg, I believe you misquoted IVODARK!

You probably already noticed the word he actually used in reply was "you" don't like Chloe......" to myankskent?;)

[IVODARK]

Yeah, it was my fault, though. Sorry.

[Timester]

Originally posted by ma200
Uh huh...police records, hospital records SUV records, MOB RECORDS??? Yeah right, like they're all on the internet.

And yeah sure, it really does take five seconds for her to google into them, what-evah.

And so what if she learnt it from someone else? He's a caricature too just like Chloe.

And yeah whoever said her hacking skills grew was right, only it didn't grow in a believable way, it grew in an OUTRAGEOUS way.

Exactly.

Homeland Security... We need to know about hacking to know that what Chloe does is impossibly rediculous. We can't hack into systems that are not connected to the net. She hacks things that are impossible with her little cpu without any physical connection. This is not "a guy that fly impossible", this is "technological impossible". It's just rediculous.

Gabriel hacked into US Missile Defence mainframe FROM a US Missile Silo. But I don't know why he had so much trouble, he could just ask Chloe her little laptop...


Originally posted by MaximRecoil
Let's compare that to real life, since Chloe is suppose to represent a real life human with no special powers on the show, using real life computer and software technology. When was the last big hacking related news story you heard? When was the last time Microsoft was hacked? Go to microsoft.com and tell me what you see. Is it all well and good, with a normal webpage showing like you would expect, or does it have a page up saying h4x0r3d by 1337 h4x0r!!!!!1111 with porn pictures everywhere? Do you realize how many "hackers" out there would love to hack Microsoft's website? Can you imagine the bragging rights in the hacking community? So how come no one is doing it?

When was the last bank heist you heard of that was done via hacking? How about Yahoo.com, MSN.com, AOL.com, CNN.com, etc., are their sites okay? With millions of hackers out there, why hasn't someone drained Bill Gates' bank account?

Kevin Mitnick was probably the last (and one of the few) "famous" hackers. He used a lot of "social engineering". Why use "social engineering" if you can simply hack into wherever you want, whenever you want? You need to have the right tools, the system you are trying to hack needs to have a hole, and just because you find one hole, doesn't automatically give you access to what you are looking for as there tends to be multiple barriers. Often times you come up against a password and if the common ones don't work, well it is time to spend untold amounts of time trying to crack it (provided you have software for cracking that particular format) and risk being caught, or try to get someone to tell you the password (social engineering).

Chloe has never run into an obstacle, never spent time planning, researching or scoping out a system, never not had the right tool for the job, never consulted with the "hacker community" to resolve a problem (mainly because she has never had a problem, lol), and has never flat out failed, obviously. Being able to hack is not a yes or no thing, like "Can you ride a bike?".

"Can you hack?" = the answer will always be "maybe", but if it is something big, bigger than someone's say Win2K SP Nothing unpatched IIS webserver sitting in a bedroom closet somewhere in Yanksville, Idaho then the answer will be "Uh, probably not, but I can give it the old college try, come back in a week."

And thank you to bring the "know-hows". People don't understand how HARD is to hack even a simple homepage.

Anyway, Chloe = Lois? No, because hacking, researching and writing a article now and then is so Jimmy Olsen, so Chloe = Jimmy.

[ms.c.]

Chloe is a modern heroine and based upon her innate desire for knowledge and info she would have great hacking/computer skills.

However, I will agree that last night went overboard. Chloe should be limited to Veronica Mars/Mac level computer skills. She should be able to hack into a simple homepage, have cool gadgets that are simple to use (taser gun, video or audio surveillance stuff, cell phone interceptor etc.), but somewhere there is a line where her skills should not be able to go. Some line where only someone whose job it is to be a professional government computer hacker/computer expert could go.

But, it was a great episode so I'll just go with it. But, yeah, either Lex should have brought in computer experts to get the job done or the tracking down of the bad guy should have been easier/less complicated so that Chloe could have more believably done it quickly.

[ma200]

Originally posted by MaximRecoil
[i]
"Can you hack?" = the answer will always be "maybe", but if it is something big, bigger than someone's say Win2K SP Nothing unpatched IIS webserver sitting in a bedroom closet somewhere in Yanksville, Idaho then the answer will be "Uh, probably not, but I can give it the old college try, come back in a week."

Thanks for enlightening me with your hacking knowledge :D

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
quote: Originally posted by IVODARK Somehow, I get the feeling I don't like Chloe all that much





Uh, jaime,oburg, I believe you misquoted IVODARK!

You probably already noticed the word he actually used in reply was "you" don't like Chloe......" to myankskent?;)

I knew where he was going with it. I quoted him before he got the chance to change his typo. I got his meaning though!:lol:

[ma200]

Originally posted by Timester


No, because hacking, researching and writing a article now and then is so Jimmy Olsen, so Chloe = Jimmy.

Maybe it is possible for her to be THE Jimmy Olsen. All she needs is get some surgery, paint herself some freckles, cut her hair, wear a bowtie and then you have Superman's little buddy.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by IVODARK
Somehow, I get the feeling you don't like Chloe all that much :\

I don't like her if she is going to make Clark look like a moron. I liked her character last season, but this season, it seems like she is the one getting smarter and Clark is the one who is not. Here's the problem with this discussion, I am talking to people who love Chloe more than anyone on this show so in your opinions, you'd love to see Chloe be the genius and have her be the one to take credit for all of Clark's learning experiences. Is that wrong? No if you love her character so much. But to many others out there, they regard Clark as the supreme character and they would like the show to resemble the comics to some degree. Let's face it, this season, Clark Kent is still nowhere near any kind of resemblance of Superman as he's supposed to be, whether you consider the movies, tv shows or comics. Instead, Chloe is the one who is improving her skills to a messiah kind of level. If it were any other show, I probably wouldn't have a problem with it, like in 24 and that Chloe. But this is the story of Superman, he's supposed to be the one who stands taller than anyone else.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Timester
Anyway, Chloe = Lois? No, because hacking, researching and writing a article now and then is so Jimmy Olsen, so Chloe = Jimmy.
Interesting comparison. I think I agree with you.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Timester
Anyway, Chloe = Lois? No, because hacking, researching and writing a article now and then is so Jimmy Olsen, so Chloe = Jimmy.

Good observation!

[gemini]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timester
[B]Exactly.

"Homeland Security... We need to know about hacking to know that what Chloe does is impossibly rediculous. We can't hack into systems that are not connected to the net. She hacks things that are impossible with her little cpu without any physical connection. This is not "a guy that fly impossible", this is "technological impossible". It's just rediculous."


WIFI = internet without any physical connection.
People you need to live with your time.With the wifi connexion you can hack in evry computer if those computer are not protected by a code.And with that even the dumbest guy can be an hacker.

[ms.c.]

In the comics, they used this line:

"The Lone Ranger has Tonto ... Batman has Robin ... and now Superman has Lois!"

So at least in comics canon, Superman is not a lone wolf. He has a sidekick. She may not be able to bend steel, but she does help him solve problems. And on Lois and Clark, they were definitely partners, so I'm not sure why people don't like Superman/Clark depending on others for their help. He's done it before.

[rumpuso]

Chloe, unfortunately, has lost her relatability to me and is now (imo) her own walking Wall of Weird. I can suspend disbelief for an alien with superpowers because that is the fantasy element of the show; but once the 18 year old Chloe Sullivan and her magic computer hacked into Homeland Security, I was ready for her to go back to being written with some semblance of normalcy. Apparently the keeper of Clark's secret = super powers of her own. *insert big fat rolling eyes emoticon here* I loved her so much more in the earlier seasons when she was written with large doses of reality. Sure, I didn't care for her jealousy card, but I honestly thought she was a refreshing part of the cast. Now it seems she's been relegated as the go-to character with absolutely no normalcy left within her shell. Chloe=Lois? Nah. Chloe=Human Super Computer. Where'd the real Chloe Sullivan go?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by gemini
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timester
[B]Exactly.

"Homeland Security... We need to know about hacking to know that what Chloe does is impossibly rediculous. We can't hack into systems that are not connected to the net. She hacks things that are impossible with her little cpu without any physical connection. This is not "a guy that fly impossible", this is "technological impossible". It's just rediculous."


WIFI = internet without any physical connection.
People you need to live with your time.With the wifi connexion you can hack in evry computer if those computer are not protected by a code.And with that even the dumbest guy can be an hacker.

But the things that Chloe does are not just hacking into databases. Understand something everyone, and I am in no way trying to sound above you all, but I do have experience in information technology. Chloe is a journalist, so naturally she has computer skills. That's fine. I can stand her breaking into databases to get criminal records and such, which is what she did from seasons 1-4. But recognizing a transmitter by saying that it was homemade and state of the art? Then redirecting the signal? Where does this stop? And this was an important part of the episode because she found the address based on the wizardry that she used with the signal. Getting back to my point, this kind of stuff is not done by journalists. Journalists write, they investigate. They don't specialize in information technology so that makes Chloe's character the most unrealistic character on this show. And once again with feeling, if these magical Chloe moments were not built into the main plot and used to advance it every single episode, it wouldn't be a big deal, but I would love to watch an episode without Chloe shooting her mouth off with technical mumbo jumbo that nobody can buy anymore.


Originally posted by rumpuso
Chloe, unfortunately, has lost her relatability to me and is now (imo) her own walking Wall of Weird. I can suspend disbelief for an alien with superpowers because that is the fantasy element of the show; but once the 18 year old Chloe Sullivan and her magic computer hacked into Homeland Security, I was ready for her to go back to being written with some semblance of normalcy. Apparently the keeper of Clark's secret = super powers of her own. *insert big fat rolling eyes emoticon here* I loved her so much more in the earlier seasons when she was written with large doses of reality. Sure, I didn't care for her jealousy card, but I honestly thought she was a refreshing part of the cast. Now it seems she's been relegated as the go-to character with absolutely no normalcy left within her shell. Chloe=Lois? Nah. Chloe=Human Super Computer. Where'd the real Chloe Sullivan go?

The jealousy card I didn't like either, but it made her human and made the audience care for her. Now, if she died I wouldn't feel anything because it's the same thing as blowing up a machine.

[Sayzak]

Yeah she looked guilty as if the actress behind her character was ashaimed of herself for not quitting upon reading the script. I had a silent chuckle at that moment, too. And the fact that Lex didn't seemed all that interested? He just goes, "Alright, let's do it." Knowing how skeptical Lex is he should have been like, "Chloe, how the hell do you know that? I don't even know that. My team of specialists wouldn't even know that."

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Timester
Exactly.

Homeland Security... We need to know about hacking to know that what Chloe does is impossibly rediculous. We can't hack into systems that are not connected to the net. She hacks things that are impossible with her little cpu without any physical connection. This is not "a guy that fly impossible", this is "technological impossible". It's just rediculous.

People don't understand how HARD is to hack even a simple homepage.

Anyway, Chloe = Lois? No, because hacking, researching and writing a article now and then is so Jimmy Olsen, so Chloe = Jimmy.


Timester, I appreciate the fact that you are not one-sided with your ridicule. It's obvious that the things Chloe does are indeed ridiculous.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by ms.c.
In the comics, they used this line:

"The Lone Ranger has Tonto ... Batman has Robin ... and now Superman has Lois!"

So at least in comics canon, Superman is not a lone wolf. He has a sidekick. She may not be able to bend steel, but she does help him solve problems. And on Lois and Clark, they were definitely partners, so I'm not sure why people don't like Superman/Clark depending on others for their help. He's done it before.
This is what I was thinking. Even if some of the dialogue in Mercy is a little far fetched -- I think even AM had a hard time pulling off her lines in this one -- it doesn't negate the fact that Superman doesn't operate in a vacuum. He has friends. He has help. And in a tech age, it makes sense for him to have a computer whiz as a sidekick. Someone will probably have to fill that spot, even when he teams up with Lois.

[Timester]

Originally posted by gemini
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timester
[B]WIFI = internet without any physical connection.
People you need to live with your time.With the wifi connexion you can hack in evry computer if those computer are not protected by a code.And with that even the dumbest guy can be an hacker.

Then I would be afraid, very afraid to live on "Smallville Universe" anyone could hack to what is suposed to be one of the most safest networks in the world, the "Homeland Security", with a WIFI connection. Lets be serious here.

We aren't talking about our neighbours full of junk computers, dialers, addware, spyware, trojans, without firewalls and opened ports that a kid with some practice enters like cheese...

[F-Stop Blues]

I like that Chloe is best friends with Clark and helping out and everything but what was her arc this season? She didnt have one, even Lois moved out of the Kent farm and somehow is qualified to run 2 senate campaigns. All Chloe has been doing this season is helping Clark. I guess she's loosely related to Clarks arc of finding Braniac and she did have that ep with her mother I want to see her branch out and have her own story like she did in season 3. I dont need her to be Clark's sidekick.

[rumpuso]

I think a lot of what bothers me as well is that Chloe was imparted with this knowledge of Clark's uniqueness via Alicia only one year ago. But now she is the be all, end all. Yes, in Arrival, Clark did confess to Chloe that he was an alien (because he saw no way to lie after she was transported to the Fortress). However, both of these kids are the same age and their relationship has gone from being equals (before Chloe knew the extent of Clark's secret), to Chloe being the keeper of all the wisdom (after she knows Clark's secret). That's just stupid to me. Chloe has only known about Clark's true nature for a year. Martha (and Jonathan, god rest his fictional soul) have known his entire life. And yet, Clark goes to Chloe for advise, rather than Martha??:\ Chloe hasn't walked a mile in Clark's shoes, or even the Kents'. She even admitted in Blank (season 4) how difficult it is to deflect others away from him for just that short period of time. So, how on earth can TPTB justify the switch from friendship angle (where they would bounce things off eachother and together find solutions), to their current state where she is now a top notch Daily Planet employee, plus a full time college student, plus THE most talented computer whiz this side of planet Earth, in season 5?! They took her strengths from previous seasons, added too much overkill (example...car trunk filled with James Bond gadgets), and regurgitated this person who is no longer recognizable as a kid in college, struggling with a part time job at the Daily Planet and trying to make ends meet as college freshmen do.

Who is she now? Where'd the real Chloe go? Did Braniac get ahold of her early in Season 5 off camera, or something?

In my opinion, TPTB went too far overboard with justifying her as the catalyst in Metropolis for Clark to receive information, and they need to pull her back to someone recognizable now.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by rumpuso
I think a lot of what bothers me as well is that Chloe was imparted with this knowledge of Clark's uniqueness via Alicia only one year ago. But now she is the be all, end all. Yes, in Arrival, Clark did confess to Chloe that he was an alien (because he saw no way to lie after she was transported to the Fortress). However, both of these kids are the same age and their relationship has gone from being equals (before Chloe knew the extent of Clark's secret), to Chloe being the keeper of all the wisdom (after she knows Clark's secret). That's just stupid to me. Chloe has only known about Clark's true nature for a year. Martha (and Jonathan, god rest his fictional soul) have known his entire life. And yet, Clark goes to Chloe for advise, rather than Martha??:\ Chloe hasn't walked a mile in Clark's shoes, or even the Kents'. She even admitted in Blank (season 4) how difficult it is to deflect others away from him for just that short period of time. So, how on earth can TPTB justify the switch from friendship angle (where they would bounce things off eachother and together find solutions), to their current state where she is now a top notch Daily Planet employee, plus a full time college student, plus THE most talented computer whiz this side of planet Earth, in season 5?! They took her strengths from previous seasons, added too much overkill (example...car trunk filled with James Bond gadgets), and regurgitated this person who is no longer recognizable as a kid in college, struggling with a part time job at the Daily Planet and trying to make ends meet as college freshmen do.

Who is she now? Where'd the real Chloe go? Did Braniac get ahold of her early in Season 5 off camera, or something?

In my opinion, TPTB went too far overboard with justifying her as the catalyst in Metropolis for Clark to receive information, and they need to pull her back to someone recognizable now.

BRAVO!!!!!!:D

[attitudejc]

Alot of people have changed this season, and it just so happens that Chloe has changed the most. Lana did it, lex did it, clark is in the process, and chloe did it. i dunno, thats just my opinion, so what do i know?

and all the things that happend to chloe, was happening during a long period of time. now shes just a really busy teenage girl who has been working with computers since she was about 10 or something (?). so, i do see why people are so shocked. :confused:

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by rumpuso
So, how on earth can TPTB justify the switch from friendship angle (where they would bounce things off eachother and together find solutions), to their current state where she is now a top notch Daily Planet employee, plus a full time college student, plus THE most talented computer whiz this side of planet Earth, in season 5?! They took her strengths from previous seasons, added too much overkill (example...car trunk filled with James Bond gadgets), and regurgitated this person who is no longer recognizable as a kid in college, struggling with a part time job at the Daily Planet and trying to make ends meet as college freshmen do.
I don't think Chloe is being portrayed as a top notch Daily Planet employee. She's working in the basement on obits. That's how a lot of people start at a paper. At the bottom. She's probably an intern of some kind, because she's still in school. She doesn't have a by-line, she doesn't have a column. She's pretty much a grunt at the Planet. Which is appropriate. She doesn't even seem to know any of the other reporters.

Her computer skills have always been over the top. So, for me that's nothing new.

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I don't think Chloe is being portrayed as a top notch Daily Planet employee. She's working in the basement on obits. That's how a lot of people start at a paper. At the bottom. She's probably an intern of some kind, because she's still in school. She doesn't have a by-line, she doesn't have a column. She's pretty much a grunt at the Planet. Which is appropriate. She doesn't even seem to know any of the other reporters.

Her computer skills have always been over the top. So, for me that's nothing new.

yeah, i agree.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by rumpuso
Who is she now? Where'd the real Chloe go? Did Braniac get ahold of her early in Season 5 off camera, or something?

In my opinion, TPTB went too far overboard with justifying her as the catalyst in Metropolis for Clark to receive information, and they need to pull her back to someone recognizable now.
I think TPTB may have made a mistake in having Chloe save Clark as many times as she has. First there was Commencement -- she saved him twice in that episode. Then there was Arrival. Then Splinter. Then Hypnotic. Probably too much saving of the Clark.

Otherwise, she's seems to be the same Chloe as before, to me at least.

[rumpuso]

She isn't significant enough in my eyes to be anything further for Clark than his best friend. She is a supporting character having one long glorious "5 minutes" of fame for an entire season. Giving her so many unbelievable skills and showing her as an implausibly balanced individual as she juggles a workload that would crack even the CEO of Luthorcorp, does not make me love her. I buy into to this Chloe as much as I bought into the plausibility of Isobel's spirit jumping into Lana during Season 4. Just why? Why not make her real, show her fears, show her strengths (from a realistic standpoint), show her mistakes, show her frustrations, then build on her friendship with Clark from that angle. Why make her over the top? I don't need to be smacked by a two by four to understand that her purpose is to give Clark a connection to Metropolis. I get it. I really do. But I just enjoyed their friendship more when it wasn't so showy for whatever sake they deem that necessary.

[Watching Smallville]

I don't see Chloe as being super. Yes, she's more functional than her counterparts on the show. But I wouldn't call Lana or Clark particularly high functioning people. Compared to where they are at this point, any normal person is going to look pretty competent. Even Lex was running a company at age 21. Chloe's two years younger than that, and she isn't anywhere near running a company. People do have internships while they're in college. And some students are workaholics.

I also don't understand how she has "so many unbelievable skills." To me she has one skill -- computer hacking. Even her journalism is based on that. And that's not a new skill.

[gemini]

Originally posted by Timester
Then I would be afraid, very afraid to live on "Smallville Universe" anyone could hack to what is suposed to be one of the most safest networks in the world, the "Homeland Security", with a WIFI connection. Lets be serious here.

We aren't talking about our neighbours full of junk computers, dialers, addware, spyware, trojans, without firewalls and opened ports that a kid with some practice enters like cheese...

Well then I am living in smallville universe, it is clearly established that if you used wifi technology, anayone can access to your private information.Why because the wifi tech used "wave", like tv.
You need to protect you computer.

Iam not an expert, just a dumb french girl who is interest in these kind of technology.

Hope my english is no to bad

[Timester]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I don't see Chloe as being super. Yes, she's more functional than her counterparts on the show. But I wouldn't call Lana or Clark particularly high functioning people. Compared to where they are at this point, any normal person is going to look pretty competent. Even Lex was running a company at age 21. Chloe's two years younger than that, and she isn't anywhere near running a company. People do have internships while they're in college. And some students are workaholics.

I also don't understand how she has "so many unbelievable skills." To me she has one skill -- computer hacking. Even her journalism is based on that. And that's not a new skill.

The problem is the "computer hacking". Hacking to "Homeland Security" is not something that your Average Joe (not even perhaps the best of hackers) can do. And "Homeland Security" hacking is just an example.

[attitudejc]

well, shes not exactly an "average Joe" then.

[gemini]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I don't see Chloe as being super. Yes, she's more functional than her counterparts on the show. But I wouldn't call Lana or Clark particularly high functioning people. Compared to where they are at this point, any normal person is going to look pretty competent. Even Lex was running a company at age 21. Chloe's two years younger than that, and she isn't anywhere near running a company. People do have internships while they're in college. And some students are workaholics.

I also don't understand how she has "so many unbelievable skills." To me she has one skill -- computer hacking. Even her journalism is based on that. And that's not a new skill.
I agree

[Timester]

Originally posted by gemini
Well then I am living in smallville universe, it is clearly established that if you used wifi technology, anayone can access to your private information.Why because the wifi tech used "wave", like tv.
You need to protect you computer.

Iam not an expert, just a dumb french girl who is interest in these kind of technology.

Hope my english is no to bad

Homeland Security: "A federal agency whose primary mission is to help prevent, protect against, and respond to acts of terrorism on United States soil"

Now you understand the rediculous of a teen girl hacking it?

[gemini]

Originally posted by rumpuso
She isn't significant enough in my eyes to be anything further for Clark than his best friend. She is a supporting character having one long glorious "5 minutes" of fame for an entire season. Giving her so many unbelievable skills and showing her as an implausibly balanced individual as she juggles a workload that would crack even the CEO of Luthorcorp, does not make me love her. I buy into to this Chloe as much as I bought into the plausibility of Isobel's spirit jumping into Lana during Season 4. Just why? Why not make her real, show her fears, show her strengths (from a realistic standpoint), show her mistakes, show her frustrations, then build on her friendship with Clark from that angle. Why make her over the top? I don't need to be smacked by a two by four to understand that her purpose is to give Clark a connection to Metropolis. I get it. I really do. But I just enjoyed their friendship more when it wasn't so showy for whatever sake they deem that necessary.

Why showing all that thing when she just a SUPORTING CHARACTER?
Why?

[Timester]

Originally posted by attitudejc
well, shes not exactly an "average Joe" then.

Quoting myself: "not even perhaps the best of hackers".

Again, it's Homeland Security.

[umm]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
IT'S A SHOW ABOUT A BOY FROM ANOTHER PLANET WHO CAN LIFT TRACTORS AND WILL ONE DAY FLY. Unrealistic computer hacking is not exactly something you can complain about if you're willing to believe the rest.

Exactly!

[gemini]

Originally posted by Timester
Homeland Security: "A federal agency whose primary mission is to help prevent, protect against, and respond to acts of terrorism on United States soil"

Now you understand the rediculous of a teen girl hacking it?

Yes!
Now i understand.But do you really except any explication for that when Chloe is just a suporting character.When they did not explain how the main character (ps .i am not talking about Clark) this year are going from metropolis to smallville twice of third time by day just to play a game, or take a coffee.
Are they all uber now?

Smallville had never been, and will never reallistic your are just suppose to think, that it is possible!

Ps.isn't Sam Lane a General

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I don't see Chloe as being super. Yes, she's more functional than her counterparts on the show. But I wouldn't call Lana or Clark particularly high functioning people. Compared to where they are at this point, any normal person is going to look pretty competent. Even Lex was running a company at age 21. Chloe's two years younger than that, and she isn't anywhere near running a company. People do have internships while they're in college. And some students are workaholics.

I also don't understand how she has "so many unbelievable skills." To me she has one skill -- computer hacking. Even her journalism is based on that. And that's not a new skill.

You can't compare Lex to Chloe because he had his father set everything up for him not to mention the fact that he has teams of people by his side to give him help. Where is Chloe getting the help? Gabrielle? Where is Chloe getting the money to gain this kind of knowledge? She's not just doing simple computer hacking though. As timester has said, she is hacking into places that are just not possible for a teenage girl to do. And I don't justify this with the fact that I am watching a scifi show. The mortals on the show should be judged like real people in the real world, leaving some room for unrealism because it is a tv show.

[gemini]

Originally posted by Timester
Quoting myself: "not even perhaps the best of hackers".

Again, it's Homeland Security.

How could you be so certain.
Are you an haquers yourself?

And beside i don't think it is impossible.I think that there is no security system which is unbrekable.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by gemini
How could you be so certain.
Are you an haquers yourself?

And beside i don't think it is impossible.I think that there is no security system which is unbrekable.

You don't have to be a hacker to realize this. Do you ever hear of companies being hacked into every single day, let alone by an 18 year old girl who works alone? I rest my case.

[Timester]

Originally posted by gemini
Smallville had never been, and will never reallistic your are just suppose to think, that it is possible!

Chloe was one of the few realistic characters in the show, not anymore. The "Vengeance Chronicles" and this season would be much better if they were a story arc on the TV show. And there we are talking of non-realist things, like Level 33.1 and the FOTWs. Not Chloe warning Lex because of Lana, but Chloe warning Lex because of the illegal human-experiments he did. And Molly being the computer hacker (she had a mainframe to break Luthorcorp security). Now that would be more in the realm of "probable unbelievable".

[gemini]

posted by myankskent
You can't compare Lex to Chloe because he had his father set everything up for him not to mention the fact that he has teams of people by his side to give him help. Where is Chloe getting the help? Gabrielle? Where is Chloe getting the money to gain this kind of knowledge? She's not just doing simple computer hacking though.

gemini: Didn't know that you need to be rich to be a hakers

As timester has said, she is hacking into places that are just not possible for a teenage girl to do. And I don't justify this with the fact that I am watching a scifi show.

gemini:True, but for smallville is certainly not a sci fi show!

The mortals on the show should be judged like real people in the real world, leaving some room for unrealism because it is a tv show.

gemini:Why?
Isn't haking a mortal hability?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by gemini
Why?
Isn't haking a mortal hability?

Not from an 18 year old girl with no money. Come on. Chloe hasn't taken courses on this stuff. If they were to include a flashback scene where Chloe was downloaded with all of this hacking knowledge from the cave wall, then at least that explains it, but she is a mortal who is 18 years old. There is no way that she can be doing all of these things.

[gemini]

Originally posted by Timester
Chloe was one of the few realistic characters in the show, not anymore. The "Vengeance Chronicles" and this season would be much better if they were a story arc on the TV show. And there we are talking of non-realist things, like Level 33.1 and the FOTWs. Not Chloe warning Lex because of Lana, but Chloe warning Lex because of the illegal human-experiments he did. And Molly being the computer hacker (she had a mainframe to break Luthorcorp security). Now that would be more in the realm of "probable unbelievable".

True

[Timester]

Originally posted by gemini
How could you be so certain.
Are you an haquers yourself?

And beside i don't think it is impossible.I think that there is no security system which is unbrekable.

Homeland Security agency is part of a bill became US law, which includes life sentences for hackers. They spend billions on the US network protection against hacking (even hiring the best hackers of the country), to insure the safety of USA against terrorists from external and/or internal origins. Basically, it has the informantion of every single atom in the States.

I know this is a show about a guy that shots fire from his eyes and has a giant fortress in the North Pole, but Chloe's hacking falls into the same category as Lana-Fu (which is strange that many people defend Chloe's hacking, but yet attacked Lana-Fu before), both are rediculous.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Timester
Homeland Security agency is part of a bill became US law, which includes life sentences for hackers. They spend billions on the US network protection against hacking (even hiring the best hackers of the country), to insure the safety of USA against terrorists from external and/or internal origins. Basically, it has the informantion of every single atom in the States.

They wouldn't have to spend money on hiring a bunch of hackers to protect the country, all they need is Chloe.:lol:

[gemini]

Originally posted by myankskent
Not from an 18 year old girl with no money. Come on. Chloe hasn't taken courses on this stuff. If they were to include a flashback scene where Chloe was downloaded with all of this hacking knowledge from the cave wall, then at least that explains it, but she is a mortal who is 18 years old. There is no way that she can be doing all of these things.

Could you tell me when it was established in the real word that you need to have money to be an haker?

Did you used your your money or your brain when you are using your computer?


Originally posted by Timester
Homeland Security agency is part of a bill became US law, which includes life sentences for hackers. They spend billions on the US network protection against hacking (even hiring the best hackers of the country), to insure the safety of USA against terrorists from external and/or internal origins. Basically, it has the informantion of every single atom in the States.

I know this is a show about a guy that shots fire from his eyes and has a giant fortress in the North Pole, but Chloe's hacking falls into the same category as Lana-Fu (which is strange that many people defend Chloe's hacking, but yet attacked Lana-Fu before), both are rediculous.

True.
But i don't remember attacking Lana-fu.

About Chloe haking ability it was established in the continuity, she had and she is always in front of her computer, that the only skills she had.She was working of screen whith Gabriel during years.
She is not a cooker, singer, painter, physician....
Just a computer geek.
So i don't see how it strange for her to be a good haker.

These kind of skills don't came thanks to your money, but thanks to a perpetual training.

[Timester]

But I'm not saying that Chloe can't be a hacker (although it's strange but I don't remember her even saying one time "firewall"), but this season it seems that her little laptop and Google can do anything, in seconds.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Timester
I know this is a show about a guy that shots fire from his eyes and has a giant fortress in the North Pole, but Chloe's hacking falls into the same category as Lana-Fu (which is strange that many people defend Chloe's hacking, but yet attacked Lana-Fu before), both are rediculous.

You took the words almost out of my mouth. I think there's a double-standard where Lana and Chloe are concerned. People can complain all day long about how Lana-fu and Lana running the Talon are so ridiculous, but don't say that Chloe's super hacking skills are ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
You can't compare Lex to Chloe because he had his father set everything up for him not to mention the fact that he has teams of people by his side to give him help. Where is Chloe getting the help? Gabrielle? Where is Chloe getting the money to gain this kind of knowledge? She's not just doing simple computer hacking though. As timester has said, she is hacking into places that are just not possible for a teenage girl to do. And I don't justify this with the fact that I am watching a scifi show. The mortals on the show should be judged like real people in the real world, leaving some room for unrealism because it is a tv show.
I can compare them because I'm comparing competence, not financial backing. I'm saying Lex had the comptenece at 21 to run a company, and in fact, run the company better than his father had run it. Chloe isn't close to that. She's just a obit writer intern at a newspaper.

As for her skills, I don't think you'll find many hackers who needed money to acquire computer skills. I work w/ computer geeks all day long -- they learn most of it on their own, reading, looking up stuff on the net, reading listservs, and just playing around. It doesn't take money. It doesn't take anything but brains and a computer.

As for hacking into Homeland Security -- who knows. If it were NASA, CIA, DOJ, and not a fairly new beaurocracy, I'd say no way. I guess it depends on what computer she hacked into and what kind of information she got. If she supposedly hacked into a network that's behind a firewall, I'd say it's unlikely. I don't remember the scene or the details. What ep was it? Was it Mercy?

[batfinx]

"The Lone Ranger has Tonto ... Batman has Robin ... and now Superman has Lois!"

So at least in comics canon, Superman is not a lone wolf. He has a sidekick. She may not be able to bend steel, but she does help him solve problems.

In that comic Lois wasn't hacking into Homeland Security, or anything else for that matter. She tossed hot coffee into a bad guy's face. That sounds like something Erica's Lois would do :D Lois isn't Clark's sidekick in the comics, she's his life partner and tries to help when he needs it, but she never makes him look clueless or helpless.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by rumpuso
I think a lot of what bothers me as well is that Chloe was imparted with this knowledge of Clark's uniqueness via Alicia only one year ago. But now she is the be all, end all. Yes, in Arrival, Clark did confess to Chloe that he was an alien (because he saw no way to lie after she was transported to the Fortress). However, both of these kids are the same age and their relationship has gone from being equals (before Chloe knew the extent of Clark's secret), to Chloe being the keeper of all the wisdom (after she knows Clark's secret). That's just stupid to me. Chloe has only known about Clark's true nature for a year. Martha (and Jonathan, rest his fictional soul) have known his entire life. And yet, Clark goes to Chloe for advise, rather than Martha??:\ Chloe hasn't walked a mile in Clark's shoes, or even the Kents'. She even admitted in Blank (season 4) how difficult it is to deflect others away from him for just that short period of time. So, how on earth can TPTB justify the switch from friendship angle (where they would bounce things off eachother and together find solutions), to their current state where she is now a top notch Daily Planet employee, plus a full time college student, plus THE most talented computer whiz this side of planet Earth, in season 5?! They took her strengths from previous seasons, added too much overkill (example...car trunk filled with James Bond gadgets), and regurgitated this person who is no longer recognizable as a kid in college, struggling with a part time job at the Daily Planet and trying to make ends meet as college freshmen do.

Who is she now? Where'd the real Chloe go? Did Braniac get ahold of her early in Season 5 off camera, or something?

In my opinion, TPTB went too far overboard with justifying her as the catalyst in Metropolis for Clark to receive information, and they need to pull her back to someone recognizable now.

Yes, Bravo!!!!

[ma200]

Originally posted by batfinx
She tossed hot coffee into a bad guy's face. That sounds like something Erica's Lois would do

Sure does. I mean she kicked that Russian guy's ass in Exposed and continued kicking the crap out of him. :lol:

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by rumpuso
Chloe, unfortunately, has lost her relatability to me and is now (imo) her own walking Wall of Weird. I can suspend disbelief for an alien with superpowers because that is the fantasy element of the show; but once the 18 year old Chloe Sullivan and her magic computer hacked into Homeland Security, I was ready for her to go back to being written with some semblance of normalcy. Apparently the keeper of Clark's secret = super powers of her own. *insert big fat rolling eyes emoticon here* I loved her so much more in the earlier seasons when she was written with large doses of reality. Sure, I didn't care for her jealousy card, but I honestly thought she was a refreshing part of the cast. Now it seems she's been relegated as the go-to character with absolutely no normalcy left within her shell. Chloe=Lois? Nah. Chloe=Human Super Computer. Where'd the real Chloe Sullivan go?

Well said!!!

Chloe has ceased to be at all realistic or relatable as a character. And I know that people keep bringing up the fact that Clark has superpowers and so things aren't realistic anyway, but at least Clark seems to have a life outside of being a superhero. He has flaws and fears and weaknesses along with his strengths. Besides Tomb (where she was basically possessed the entire time anyway) Chloe doesn't seem to have any type of a life outside of being Clark's go to girl and an overly perfect human supercomputer. I didn't mind it for awhile but it has just grown to an absolutely ridiculous amount as the season has went on. The character seems to have lost all inner life and seems very flat and boring and overly perfect now, with her whiz kid hacking skills. Her sparring match with Lex in Fragile was the only time I've found her interesting recently. Any other time they just show her at the Daily Planet (she has no life outside of the DP it seems) and Clark goes to her with a problem and she has the answer in 10 seconds plus usually ends up saving the day someway too.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by gemini
Could you tell me when it was established in the real word that you need to have money to be an haker?

Did you used your your money or your brain when you are using your computer?



Unless you teach yourself everything, you need money to get trained in that kind of stuff. You don't get an education for free, and in the case of being a hacker, you need more than a few lessons to reach the level that Chloe is at. This is why you need money.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I can compare them because I'm comparing competence, not financial backing. I'm saying Lex had the comptenece at 21 to run a company, and in fact, run the company better than his father had run it. Chloe isn't close to that. She's just a obit writer intern at a newspaper.

As for her skills, I don't think you'll find many hackers who needed money to acquire computer skills. I work w/ computer geeks all day long -- they learn most of it on their own, reading, looking up stuff on the net, reading listservs, and just playing around. It doesn't take money. It doesn't take anything but brains and a computer.

As for hacking into Homeland Security -- who knows. If it were NASA, CIA, DOJ, and not a fairly new beaurocracy, I'd say no way. I guess it depends on what computer she hacked into and what kind of information she got. If she supposedly hacked into a network that's behind a firewall, I'd say it's unlikely. I don't remember the scene or the details. What ep was it? Was it Mercy?

And I bet those computer geeks that you know can't break into big company databases. That's the whole point, you say that she doesn't need money to do this, and then when I say that she is too skilled to be able to do what she does and have the money to pay for it as well as her ability to do it at the age of 18, the response I get is that this is a scifi show. Makes no sense to me.

[Theshadow129x]

I agree with majority of you guys Chloe has dreamed of being a reporter for the planet for the longest (i think her way of getting in the planet was ridiculous. its the worlds number 1 newspaper and she got in on an article on vampires!!! thats dumb) but they really need to do more with her and give her a social life where she has like a guy friiend that isnt a freak or soemthing because i havent seen any evolution with Chloe since last hidden where she said she didnt mind clark and lana being together anymore.

[Deana]

I think what got me the most was Lex's whole role in this. That they actually had him being led by the nose by Chloe.

He opted to put the life of he father and Martha Kent into the hands of a teenager who threatened him on the previous episode.

We're are supposed to pretend like Lex would turn his back on a crew that is so skilled they found Dr. Fine and put his stock on her?

Seeing Clark hop to her beat had me 80% angry, but it went on up there to 100 with Lex's little skip.

Either Chloe goes crazy or dies. How is it possible that the "great one" doesn't hack into Lex Corp's cpu and air all their dirty laundry? Thus ending the Superman/Lex fued before it begins.

She's so smart and hackarific. Lex's demise is at her fingertips. It should not be this way.

[MaximRecoil]

"Homeland Security... We need to know about hacking to know that what Chloe does is impossibly rediculous. We can't hack into systems that are not connected to the net. She hacks things that are impossible with her little cpu without any physical connection. This is not "a guy that fly impossible", this is "technological impossible". It's just rediculous."
WIFI = internet without any physical connection.
People you need to live with your time.With the wifi connexion you can hack in evry computer if those computer are not protected by a code.And with that even the dumbest guy can be an hacker.
Say what? You might be able to "borrow" their internet connection for your own use, but that doesn't get you into their computer. The same rules apply to getting into someone's computer regardless of what type of internet connection they have. There needs to be a service that can be exploited.

And Chloe manages to hack into systems that wouldn't even be likely to be exposed to the internet (this is an impossible thing to do, just so you know), which is the point the poster you replied to was making. In the real world, highly sensitive data is not exposed to the internet. Do you realize what a state of chaos the whole world would be in if Chloe-style magical hackers actually existed? Just think about the worldwide repercussions, if there actually existed hackers like Chloe that could get into any system, anytime, anywhere.

None of the bigger websites would ever exist in an unhacked state, if they would be accessable at all. You could kiss your money in the bank goodbye. Nothing would ever ring up correctly at the supermarket, etc.

A computer system is finite. As a result of a finite system, there are a finite number of ways to gain access to the system. Hackers do not have access to esoteric knowledge. In fact, when it comes to a computer, there is no esoteric knowledge. Everything that hacker can possibly know, a good administrator can also know, and vice-versa. Now given that there are a finite number of ways to access a system at any given time, and if all of those ways are blocked, (sometimes blocking one way blocks all the rest of the ways by extension, such as simply not connecting the system to the internet), then in reality, no one is getting in, period.

What allows hackers the limited amount of success that they can achieve is the dynamic nature of computer systems. As software changes and gets updated, old exploits may disappear, but new yet-to-be-discovered ones may appear. As you can see, what may have worked yesterday, may not work today, and what works today, may not work tomorrow, and as such, to even be successful at hacking ("successful" being a relative term here, even the most "elite" hackers are not going to be able to get into the vast majority of "attractive target" type systems, at least not to the point of reaching sensitive data anyway); it has to pretty much be your full-time pursuit, and Chloe doesn't fit the profile, what with already having a job and all, that is completely unrelated to IT.

[MsSullivan]

Chloe has been shown to have computer skills since season 1, but it didn't require her to hack into places she does now. They are not in high school anymore. In hidden we saw Gabriel, a guy she worked with for years (according to Hidden) which means he could have been the one to show her.

Additionally, in Hidden we saw that Chloe can't hack into everything. She wasn't able to stop the missle.

RE: Chloe's love life

if you go to AM's #1 fan site, a chloe fan messaged SDK and was told that this next season we'd see someone ZIP INTO TOWN and SWEEP HER OFF HER FEET.

Hmmm...Clark zips around....and the set up for him to go to MET U is there....

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Chloe has been shown to have computer skills since season 1, but it didn't require her to hack into places she does now. They are not in high school anymore. In hidden we saw Gabriel, a guy she worked with for years (according to Hidden) which means he could have been the one to show her.

Additionally, in Hidden we saw that Chloe can't hack into everything. She wasn't able to stop the missle.

RE: Chloe's love life

if you go to AM's #1 fan site, a chloe fan messaged SDK and was told that this next season we'd see someone ZIP INTO TOWN and SWEEP HER OFF HER FEET.

Hmmm...Clark zips around....and the set up for him to go to MET U is there....

Problem is that he's not the only one who zips around.....know what I mean?

As far as this thread goes, both sides have valid points to a degree, I'm hoping to have time later to post my thoughts more completely on this, but for now, all I can say is that I really enjoyed this episode.



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Originally posted by bigstevew
She didn't hack into Homeland Security. She hacked into the schools security which thanks to Homeland Security's new campus ID rules she was able to track Lana.
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I found this quote in another thread, but I feel it definitely applies here. In fact, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Actually, I thought they were tracing back some type of GPS signal as means of trying to locate Lionel & Martha's assailent.....not hacking into the CIA's data base.......because even for Chloe, that would take some time....(just kidding...but then again...maybe not).

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
IT'S A SHOW ABOUT A BOY FROM ANOTHER PLANET WHO CAN LIFT TRACTORS AND WILL ONE DAY FLY. Unrealistic computer hacking is not exactly something you can complain about if you're willing to believe the rest.

Ummm ...

I totally disagree with this take. Superman stories almost always work best when they have a high degree of verisimilitude beyond the central premise. I don't know why, but something like a 19-year-old that has the knowledge of an FBI agent and the ability to use her laptop like she is in the Matrix is more absurd in a show about a flying alien than it is in a show about anything else.


Originally posted by rumpuso
I think a lot of what bothers me as well is that Chloe was imparted with this knowledge of Clark's uniqueness via Alicia only one year ago. But now she is the be all, end all. Yes, in Arrival, Clark did confess to Chloe that he was an alien (because he saw no way to lie after she was transported to the Fortress). However, both of these kids are the same age and their relationship has gone from being equals (before Chloe knew the extent of Clark's secret), to Chloe being the keeper of all the wisdom (after she knows Clark's secret). That's just stupid to me. Chloe has only known about Clark's true nature for a year. Martha (and Jonathan, god rest his fictional soul) have known his entire life. And yet, Clark goes to Chloe for advise, rather than Martha??:\ Chloe hasn't walked a mile in Clark's shoes, or even the Kents'. She even admitted in Blank (season 4) how difficult it is to deflect others away from him for just that short period of time. So, how on earth can TPTB justify the switch from friendship angle (where they would bounce things off eachother and together find solutions), to their current state where she is now a top notch Daily Planet employee, plus a full time college student, plus THE most talented computer whiz this side of planet Earth, in season 5?! They took her strengths from previous seasons, added too much overkill (example...car trunk filled with James Bond gadgets), and regurgitated this person who is no longer recognizable as a kid in college, struggling with a part time job at the Daily Planet and trying to make ends meet as college freshmen do.

Who is she now? Where'd the real Chloe go? Did Braniac get ahold of her early in Season 5 off camera, or something?

In my opinion, TPTB went too far overboard with justifying her as the catalyst in Metropolis for Clark to receive information, and they need to pull her back to someone recognizable now.

Excellent points. The appeal of Chloe in the early seasons was her vulnerability. She was really good (for a High School kid) in one area (journalism), but it made her kind of a geek. She was awkward, didn't read people right in her personal life, had a crush on Clark, etc. It made sense.

Well, Chloe has just gone through a huge transition. She went from being a big fish in a little pond to a tiny fish in huge pond. She is a college freshmen at a major fictional university, which means that she is no longer the only talented writer around. In fact, she probably is not the most talented person she knows anymore (ignore Lois & Clark for the moment). Where is that stuff? Worse, as an intern at the Daily Planet, she may be the worst journalist in her current environment. At 18-19, she is just talented enough to be at the bottom of the elite ladder. That is semi-interesting character stuff.

More unique to the show is that Chloe has always, always, always been curious. She just found her best friend is an alien. People are constantly blathering about his "destiny". Clark has always been oddly incurious on that point, but Chloe? Come on ...

[MsSullivan]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Problem is that he's not the only one who zips around.....know what I mean?



perfectly aware of that, but they've set up chlark since day 1 and honestly I think its Clark. I wouldn't be surprised if we get some chlark hints in these last three episodes...then i could die happy. the annual kiss...we've got three episodes to go!

[mallory]

rumpuso put his finger on a problem with Chloe and the overall show at times.

I can accept Clark's super powers. They are explained, given the rules of the Smallville universe. So are the FOTWs.

Chloe's computer powers are impossible, though, for any mortal. Even if she could hack into those sensitive databases -- odds are between remote and zero -- they are typically protected by encryption programs. For all intents and purposes, these programs are impossible to crack. For example, it would take all the U.S. government's super computers working together for several months to break the encryption used by most banks. And that's just for one account! They would have to repeat the process for each file they want to decrypt.

By pushing Chloe's powers into the super realm, TPTB is breaking the rules of the fictional universe they set up. That makes the show less believable. Great fiction does that rarely or not at all.

It's not just Chloe, though. Take Hidden. I may not have the sequence exactly right, but I think it went like this:

Gabriel sets the countdown to Armaggedon at one hour. In the next 60 minutes, Clark and Chloe figure out the dire threat...persuade Gabriel to meet them in a remote spot outside town...go there at normal speed... where Clark gets shot...Clark gets rushed to E.R. (by who, the Flash?)...receives emergency care...dies...is resurrected by JorEl...gets back in time to save the day.

The absurd part is the 60 minutes. Impossible. And not necessary either. Gabriel could have set the timer for, say, five hours. Now there is time, sort of, for the events to play out.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
perfectly aware of that, but they've set up chlark since day 1 and honestly I think its Clark. I wouldn't be surprised if we get some chlark hints in these last three episodes...then i could die happy. the annual kiss...we've got three episodes to go!

Hope your right. I really do.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

quote: Originally posted by MsSullivan Chloe has been shown to have computer skills since season 1, but it didn't require her to hack into places she does now. They are not in high school anymore. In hidden we saw Gabriel, a guy she worked with for years (according to Hidden) which means he could have been the one to show her. Additionally, in Hidden we saw that Chloe can't hack into everything. She wasn't able to stop the missle. RE: Chloe's love life if you go to AM's #1 fan site, a chloe fan messaged SDK and was told that this next season we'd see someone ZIP INTO TOWN and SWEEP HER OFF HER FEET. Hmmm...Clark zips around....and the set up for him to go to MET U is there....


quote: Originally posted by MsSullivan perfectly aware of that, but they've set up chlark since day 1 and honestly I think its Clark. I wouldn't be surprised if we get some chlark hints in these last three episodes...then i could die happy. the annual kiss...we've got three episodes to go!


Originally posted by CK&CK
Hope your right. I really do.


Okay CK&CK!

I am curious as to MsSullivan's first quote I put in red.....PM me or her about that please. Tabby at AMO believed the same about the Chlark before the end of season!

And on different not....it could be Kyle Galner's Flash? (hoping I'm wrong)

As far as Chloe's skills.....I calL her "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" Chloe!:p

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by mallory
rumpuso put his finger on a problem with Chloe and the overall show at times.

I can accept Clark's super powers. They are explained, given the rules of the Smallville universe. So are the FOTWs.

Chloe's computer powers are impossible, though, for any mortal. Even if she could hack into those sensitive databases -- odds are between remote and zero -- they are typically protected by encryption programs. For all intents and purposes, these programs are impossible to crack. For example, it would take all the U.S. government's super computers working together for several months to break the encryption used by most banks. And that's just for one account! They would have to repeat the process for each file they want to decrypt.

By pushing Chloe's powers into the super realm, TPTB is breaking the rules of the fictional universe they set up. That makes the show less believable. Great fiction does that rarely or not at all.

Great point. I know a lot of people complain about the FOTWs, but they were set up in the Pilot. The effect of Kryptonite was set-up from the very beginning. To my mind, the best thing the writers have done is found clever new ways to adapt that one break with the reality we know.

However, witches and non-Krytponite powered threats need to be set up on their own. That takes time and care. SV rarely does that anymore. They seem think that "it is a fantasy show", so all bets are off in terms of break with verisimilitude. That undermines what made the show special in the first place.

Chloe is just the most annoying example. I've never met a vampire, or a witch, or a ghost, but I sure have used a computer. I know that it isn't some magic box that is easily adapted to my whims. Sure, it can access a lot of information, but mostly that is stuff people want you to know. I know it is a device, but what else is Chloe these days.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
Unless you teach yourself everything, you need money to get trained in that kind of stuff. You don't get an education for free, and in the case of being a hacker, you need more than a few lessons to reach the level that Chloe is at. This is why you need money.
No, you can pick up computer skills without money. You need to pay for the computer, of course, and an internet connection if you want to read the listservs -- but not for school.

[Old Juan]

And on different not....it could be Kyle Galner's Flash? (hoping I'm wrong)

I doubt it. Chloe already shot Bart down.

We have to remember that if Chloe is going to have some romance next year that they will have to work Clark into it somehow(whether it means that Clark is the BF or Clark somehow will have some connection to Chloe's BF)because they are not going to use up what will be valuable screentime to give Chloe a romance storyline that won't have any kind of relevence to any of the main characters save her. If they aren't going to do Chlark then her boyfriend will have to have some connection to either Clark or Lex.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Chloe has been shown to have computer skills since season 1, but it didn't require her to hack into places she does now. They are not in high school anymore. In hidden we saw Gabriel, a guy she worked with for years (according to Hidden) which means he could have been the one to show her.

Additionally, in Hidden we saw that Chloe can't hack into everything. She wasn't able to stop the missle.

RE: Chloe's love life

if you go to AM's #1 fan site, a chloe fan messaged SDK and was told that this next season we'd see someone ZIP INTO TOWN and SWEEP HER OFF HER FEET.

Hmmm...Clark zips around....and the set up for him to go to MET U is there....

No one could stop the missle, the equipment was destroyed. Please don't use that example to show that Chloe failed, the missle was already in the air and the equipment was destroyed.

[Watching Smallville]

The missile wasn't already in the air, it was still in countdown. I think that is a legit example of Chloe not being able to use the computer to stop a disaster.

[MsSullivan]

Originally posted by myankskent
No one could stop the missle, the equipment was destroyed. Please don't use that example to show that Chloe failed, the missle was already in the air and the equipment was destroyed.

The point is Chloe has failed, people are acting like she is the new Mary Sue. I think the show made it pretty clear that Chloe was trying to stop it and she didn't, Clark the hero did.

Points against her perfection (i don't agree w/all of them)

-she failed to stop the missle in Hidden
-she put Lois in danger in Exposed
-she has used Lionel as a source Splinter/Solitude/Void
-she went to Lex instead of Lana in in Fragile

And I'll use w/e example I like, thank you very much.

[Watching Smallville]

I don't think Chloe is being portrayed as perfect, either -- any more than I think Lana is being portrayed as perfect. She's shown a lot of shortcomings this season. I agree with you, MsSullivan.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
No, you can pick up computer skills without money. You need to pay for the computer, of course, and an internet connection if you want to read the listservs -- but not for school.

No, that's not my point. Yes you only need money to buy the computer and try things out on your own, but with the stuff that Chloe is able to do and the equipment that she needs in order to do it, it would require money to learn from someone. We're not talking about hacking into someone else's PC here, we're talking about hacking into whats supposed to be secure databases. Once again, the thing that makes me furious is when they say that it's possible for Chloe to do because this is a scifi show. MOD EDIT: INSULTING POSTERS If you watch 24, you'd know that the show is ludicrous with it's storylines, but the people on this show are not 18 year old girls working alone. They at least have an experienced team of professionals to make it possible for them to achieve what they set out to do. And 24 may not be a scifi show, but it is just as unrealistic as smallville with what is done on the show, but I can buy the fact that trained experts are able to do it, I can't buy the fact that a girl such as Chloe can.

[Watching Smallville]

I have to say, you don't need money to learn from someone. Have you ever been on a tech listserv?

[aqua]

This is the reason why I hate it when one of the characters is a computer expert/hacker or whatever. Whenever there's a problem, it's solved on the computer and it seems as if anything can be found on there with a simple click of a mouse.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
The missile wasn't already in the air, it was still in countdown. I think that is a legit example of Chloe not being able to use the computer to stop a disaster.

This is wrong, and so is what I wrote in my previous post. The equipment wasn't destroyed and once Chloe shot Gabrielle, there were less than 10 seconds left to do anything. The missile was already ignited and it was about to take off in those ten seconds. Now if Chloe was able to run over to the computer in less than ten seconds and type things into a computer after the missile was locked on, and disable it, I wouldn't be watching this show today.


Originally posted by MsSullivan
The point is Chloe has failed, people are acting like she is the new Mary Sue. I think the show made it pretty clear that Chloe was trying to stop it and she didn't, Clark the hero did.

Points against her perfection (i don't agree w/all of them)

-she failed to stop the missle in Hidden
-she put Lois in danger in Exposed
-she has used Lionel as a source Splinter/Solitude/Void
-she went to Lex instead of Lana in in Fragile

And I'll use w/e example I like, thank you very much.

She was being held hostage by Gabrielle. Explain to me how she even attempted to stop the missile. If she had the chance, she would've disabled it. She ended up killing Gabrielle who had a gun on her, that was her unrealistic bit for that episode.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by aqua
This is the reason why I hate it when one of the characters is a computer expert/hacker or whatever. Whenever there's a problem, it's solved on the computer and it seems as if anything can be found on there with a simple click of a mouse.
I actually agree with that criticsm. It's not whether or not Chloe is able to get the information she gets, it's the fact that the computer is used so often as the investigator. I'm with you, there. I enjoy the Lois/Clark snooping more than the Chloe/Clark snooping for just that reason. I like the breaking into the offices better than the breaking into computer networks.


Originally posted by myankskent
This is wrong, and so is what I wrote in my previous post. The equipment was destroyed and once Chloe shot Gabrielle, there were less than 10 seconds left to do anything.
She was at the computer before Gabriel got shot. I'll go watch again, but I think your chronology is off.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I have to say, you don't need money to learn from someone. Have you ever been on a tech listserv?

No, you're still not getting my point. You can learn things from other people for free, but do you expect me to believe that Chloe can learn the types of things that she knows for free? Once again, we're not talking about simple computer skills, we're talking top of the line professional skills that even a team of people in their 40's with working experience couldn't achieve.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
No, you're still not getting my point. You can learn things from other people for free, but do you expect me to believe that Chloe can learn the types of things that she knows for free? Once again, we're not talking about simple computer skills, we're talking top of the line professional skills that even a team of people in their 40's with working experience couldn't achieve.
That's why I asked if you'd ever been on a tech listserv. Can't go over this any more. :)

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by myankskent
You can't compare Lex to Chloe because he had his father set everything up for him not to mention the fact that he has teams of people by his side to give him help. Where is Chloe getting the help? Gabrielle? Where is Chloe getting the money to gain this kind of knowledge? She's not just doing simple computer hacking though. As timester has said, she is hacking into places that are just not possible for a teenage girl to do. And I don't justify this with the fact that I am watching a scifi show. The mortals on the show should be judged like real people in the real world, leaving some room for unrealism because it is a tv show.

The other point is that people in their early 20s do run large businesses. It is rare, but it happens. Marc Andersen of Netscape was an example, as were the guys from Yahoo!. Ted Turner inherited his family business pretty young, if recall correctly. Like Lex, they were all surrounded by older and more experienced people, who had an interest in teaching them to run things. Also, Lex is (at minimum) 4 years older than Chloe, Clark and Lana. We never saw him as a High Schooler. If Chloe is 19, then Lex is 23. That is a big difference in that age range.

The writers have done a lot of absurd things with these characters over the years, in particular when you consider the ages of the characters. The way they handled Lana in this regard pretty much ruined her as a plausible person. However, it has been done with nearly all the cast. But, for some reason it always worst with the female part of the cast. Consider:
- Lana was running the Talon, attending High School and living away from her guardian by about age 16.
- In her Senior Year, Lana was living with the new football coach above the Talon and no one in this small town noticed, until Lex pointed it out. (Ohhh ... and according to "Spell", they never had sex)
- Lois arrived the summer before her freshman year in college, was breifly returned to High School, briefly attended Met. U., dropped out and went to work at the Talon. Except for the H.S. bit, it marks her for "aimless slacker girl" status. Then, she suddenly gets a job running a successful state senate campaign and becomes MK's Chief of Staff, despite neither of them knowing anything about politics.
- Chloe was always the most believable and, therefore, became the most likable. Well ... until this season.

I am beginning to think that the writers just don't care about the women on the show as characters. Chloe is so competent and selfless that she is really just a device. It has gotten so bad that I am sort of hoping for a Chlark storyline, just to make all the time she spends doing the grunt work for him a bit more believeable. Really, two scenes would do it for me. Late night heart-to-heart at the end of one episode ending with an out of the blue kiss and wake-up the next morning scene with Chloe strolling through the Kent kitchen with a smile on her face and Martha doing a double take and saying "you're her a bit early Chloe". It wouldn't explain her James Bond-like abilities, but at least it would make sense from a character stand-point.

[Big Albowski]

MOD NOTE Keep it friendly guys!!!!! Some of these responses sound a bit mean spirited!!

Al

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by dhacker615
The other point is that people in their early 20s do run large businesses. It is rare, but it happens. Marc Andersen of Netscape was an example, as were the guys from Yahoo!. Ted Turner inherited his family business pretty young, if recall correctly. Like Lex, they were all surrounded by older and more experienced people, who had an interest in teaching them to run things. Also, Lex is (at minimum) 4 years older than Chloe, Clark and Lana. We never saw him as a High Schooler. If Chloe is 19, then Lex is 23. That is a big difference in that age range.
I was comparing Lex at 21 when he was running the plant in Smallville w/ Chloe at 19, the age she is now. That's just two years. Lex is actually 6 years older than Chloe, 7 years older than Clark. He should be 25 this season.

[MsSullivan]

Originally posted by myankskent

She was being held hostage by Gabrielle. Explain to me how she even attempted to stop the missile. If she had the chance, she would've disabled it. She ended up killing Gabrielle who had a gun on her, that was her unrealistic bit for that episode.

nope, you have things wrong. At a minute and a couple of seconds Chloe knocks Gabriel out, she has one minute to disable the missle. she keeps getting an ACCESS DENIED Message. She runs over to see if the missle has been launched and that's when she struggles with Gabriel and the gun. After he gets shot, she goes back to the computer and only 10sec are left, then she can't do anything to stop it.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I actually agree with that criticsm. It's not whether or not Chloe is able to get the information she gets, it's the fact that the computer is used so often as the investigator. I'm with you, there. I enjoy the Lois/Clark snooping more than the Chloe/Clark snooping for just that reason. I like the breaking into the offices better than the breaking into computer networks.


She was at the computer before Gabriel got shot. I'll go watch again, but I think your chronology is off.

Yes, she typed a few things into the computer and she saw that the missle was igniting so she ran over to take a look. Then Gabrielle came up from behind her and held the gun to her. Somehow Chloe kicked him without him shooting her and then she struggled with him, overpowered him as she did with Lex in Hypnotic, and shot him. But she was at the computer for like 10 seconds, she really didn't give it much effort.

[Watching Smallville]

Now I don't understand. Are you saying she should have been able to hack into the computer if she'd had more time? Sorry -- I'm just getting confused by this discussion.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
nope, you have things wrong. At a minute and a couple of seconds Chloe knocks Gabriel out, she has one minute to disable the missle. she keeps getting an ACCESS DENIED Message. She runs over to see if the missle has been launched and that's when she struggles with Gabriel and the gun. After he gets shot, she goes back to the computer and only 10sec are left, then she can't do anything to stop it.

Yeah, so explain to me how she was unable to do it. She had like no time to do anything. The issue isn't that she failed, it's that she had no time and she had Gabrielle to contend with, and how she ever was able to stop with a gun I'll never know. Chloe can figure things out in 20 seconds, she only had 10. She needed those extra 10 seconds.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Now I don't understand. Are you saying she should have been able to hack into the computer if she'd had more time? Sorry -- I'm just getting confused by this discussion.

I don't think that she had enough time to do it, so therefore, you can't say that she failed. Typing in one thing at the computer and having it work would've been the only chance that Chloe had, and that would've been absurd. If she was working on it for an extended period of time and failed, that's one thing, but she had 10 seconds.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I was comparing Lex at 21 when he was running the plant in Smallville w/ Chloe at 19, the age she is now. That's just two years. Lex is actually 6 years older than Chloe, 7 years older than Clark. He should be 25 this season.

That was a clear-cut case of nepotism. In fact, it was a major underlying thread to that whole first season. That fact Lex was too young and too inexperiecned for the job he had was commented upon and dealt with constantly.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by dhacker615
That was a clear-cut case of nepotism. In fact, it was a major underlying thread to that whole first season. That fact Lex was too young and too inexperiecned for the job he had was commented upon and dealt with constantly.

I agree, that was actually a big part of the show. Just look at every scene between Lex and lionel during the early part of the show. It was all about Lex's inexperience to get the job done. This was never dealt with regarding Chloe. She just stepped up and got the job done all of the time.

[Watching Smallville]

But he did a good job -- better than his dad had done. Which is actually support for Chloe doing well w/ what she does. If Lex does well w/ no experience, then Chloe doing well w/ years of experience makes sense.

I just think we see Chloe differently. To each his own. I'm out.

[MsSullivan]

Originally posted by myankskent
Yeah, so explain to me how she was unable to do it. She had like no time to do anything. The issue isn't that she failed, it's that she had no time and she had Gabrielle to contend with, and how she ever was able to stop with a gun I'll never know. Chloe can figure things out in 20 seconds, she only had 10. She needed those extra 10 seconds.



I don't think that she had enough time to do it, so therefore, you can't say that she failed. Typing in one thing at the computer and having it work would've been the only chance that Chloe had, and that would've been absurd. If she was working on it for an extended period of time and failed, that's one thing, but she had 10 seconds.

No matter how much time she had, she FAILED. We can debate back and forth about something that has no relievance because we don't know if she would have been able to stop it if she had more time. It didn't happen that way, so we go by what we did see, she had 60sec before Gabriel died and couldn't disable the missle. She failed.

btw its Gabriel, not Gabrielle

*goes off to finish essay that I should be working on*

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
No matter how much time she had, she FAILED. We can debate back and forth about something that has no relievance because we don't know if she would have been able to stop it if she had more time. It didn't happen that way, so we go by what we did see, she had 60sec before Gabriel died and couldn't disable the missle. She failed.

btw its Gabriel, not Gabrielle

*goes off to finish essay that I should be working on*

Thanks for correcting me on the spelling. I should've known that. However, she didn't have 60 seconds before Gabriel died. She was fighting Gabriel for most of that 60 seconds. She had more like 15 seconds. If you want to call that failing, you are entitled to. I'd rather watch a scene where she is mentally unable to get the job done, which to my knowledge, has not happened on this show.

[Deana]

Nitpicking the Gabriel scene still does nothing to get Chloe out of her Mary Sue Status.

The character has been ruined this season, and I hear it's only going to get worse.

I wonder how they are going to fix the hole they've written themselves in when it comes to her?

She's hightech enough to take Lex Corp down all on her lonesome. There's no need for Supes in a world with teens from nowhere'sville as smart as Chloe.

[Poweranimals]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Any other time they just show her at the Daily Planet (she has no life outside of the DP it seems) and Clark goes to her with a problem and she has the answer in 10 seconds plus usually ends up saving the day someway too. The Daily Planet is her life. I have to say though, she has been pretty useless lately. But I can't complain too much. At least we don't have to put up with too much screentime with her.

The thing I've been noticing is that Chloe has been considered for killing off several times already. I don't think there's much more they can do with her character. But she's the only one that knows Clark's secret and her connection to the Daily Planet can be useful to the plot. So basically she's just a plot device now. I kind of hope she gets killed off soon though. It would help bring some character development to Lois who's also hasn't really been going anywhere this season.

[aqua]

I think it's sad how Chloe is, how she even called herself "Clark's personal search engine." She does exposition, she does all his busy work, and never leaks the DP. I agree with Poweranimals in that she is a plot device and that I was looking forward to the arc with her mother.. But then it was settled and hasn't been touched on again, so they're reducing her to exposition girl.

[IVODARK]

WOW, this thread is huge.

[Poweranimals]

Well I don't think there's really any reason to touch on it again. There's no reason to make an arc out of it. We don't really want another Henry Small, do we? They brought closure to her struggle. It's wrapped now.

So now she's on the show, not because her character is interesting but because she's convenient for the writers to have around. Which is good to some extent. The first few seasons were full of Kryptonite, because it was very hard to write Clark into dangerous situations without it. As he's grown though, the crisis' have also. I give the writers props for making Chloe likable, but I'm starting not to anymore. I think her character can maintain her dignity if they kill her off at the end of the season and use that to evolve Lois.

[rumpuso]

Personally, I am quite glad that they settled all they wanted to settle in one episode, Tomb. That episode to me was the only one in season 5 worth deleting off my Tivo. Oye it was bad! And so unnecessary! Why on earth waste a good solid hour of storytelling on a supporting character reduced to a plot device only. It just didn't fly. It would have been better if they just mentioned in passing the pieces of Chloe's background they felt needed to be told. TPTB are best to stick with the 3 main characters (Clark, Lex, Lana) for their A plots. Anytime they veer away from that formula is when Smallville disappoints me personally.


Originally posted by Poweranimals
So now she's on the show, not because her character is interesting but because she's convenient for the writers to have around. Which is good to some extent. The first few seasons were full of Kryptonite, because it was very hard to write Clark into dangerous situations without it. As he's grown though, the crisis' have also. I give the writers props for making Chloe likable, but I'm starting not to anymore. I think her character can maintain her dignity if they kill her off at the end of the season and use that to evolve Lois.
Very good points here; however I don't think it's necessary to kill off Chloe to evolve other characters in Smallville. I simply want the writers to remember the reasons why Chloe originally was as likeable as she was, not continue on this unbelievable path with her that annoys a good many viewers. They shouldn't mess so much with a character who was so relateable to so many viewers before she knew the secret.

[smoky]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
You took the words almost out of my mouth. I think there's a double-standard where Lana and Chloe are concerned. People can complain all day long about how Lana-fu and Lana running the Talon are so ridiculous, but don't say that Chloe's super hacking skills are ridiculous. :rolleyes: I have heard on the news of real life hackers being busted by the authorities & a number of these hackers are YOUNGER than Chloe. There are teenagers out there who can & do hack into places where you would think they would not be able to.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by rumpuso
Personally, I am quite glad that they settled all they wanted to settle in one episode, Tomb. That episode to me was the only one in season 5 worth deleting off my Tivo. Oye it was bad! And so unnecessary! Why on earth waste a good solid hour of storytelling on a supporting character reduced to a plot device only. It just didn't fly. It would have been better if they just mentioned in passing the pieces of Chloe's background they felt needed to be told. TPTB are best to stick with the 3 main characters (Clark, Lex, Lana) for their A plots. Anytime they veer away from that formula is when Smallville disappoints me personally.


Very good points here; however I don't think it's necessary to kill off Chloe to evolve other characters in Smallville. I simply want the writers to remember the reasons why Chloe originally was as likeable as she was, not continue on this unbelievable path with her that annoys a good many viewers. They shouldn't mess so much with a character who was so relateable to so many viewers before she knew the secret.

The problem is, there is no way to fix Chloe's character. She can't all of a sudden lose intelligence. She is who she is and there is no place for her character to go anymore especially considering the fact that Lois should have a bigger role as the show goes on. I would kill her off in the finale or the premier next year, her death would effect so many on the show and I believe they will be effected for the better. It might also force the writers to reconstruct how they tell the stories because you will no longer have a person who can do anything on the show anymore. Clark will have to step up and take care of things by himself, along with the advice from Martha, Lois and Lana if she becomes Clark's close friend. This might breath some new life into the show from a storytelling standpoint.

[smoky]

Originally posted by Poweranimals
The Daily Planet is her life. I have to say though, she has been pretty useless lately. But I can't complain too much. At least we don't have to put up with too much screentime with her.

The thing I've been noticing is that Chloe has been considered for killing off several times already. I don't think there's much more they can do with her character. But she's the only one that knows Clark's secret and her connection to the Daily Planet can be useful to the plot. So basically she's just a plot device now. I kind of hope she gets killed off soon though. It would help bring some character development to Lois who's also hasn't really been going anywhere this season. Only people who dislike Chloe say that, TPTB really love her character. They're not going to kill her off.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

quote: And on different not....it could be Kyle Galner's Flash? (hoping I'm wrong)


Originally posted by Old Juan
I doubt it. Chloe already shot Bart down.

We have to remember that if Chloe is going to have some romance next year that they will have to work Clark into it somehow(whether it means that Clark is the BF or Clark somehow will have some connection to Chloe's BF)because they are not going to use up what will be valuable screentime to give Chloe a romance storyline that won't have any kind of relevence to any of the main characters save her. If they aren't going to do Chlark then her boyfriend will have to have some connection to either Clark or Lex.

Thanks for the insight 'Old Juan', but your last comment does express ramifications especially with Lex...remember Chloe's "I'd die before I ever betray you"??

Everything else about her is clear as far as her abilities go. Thanks again for that insight!

[myankskent]

Originally posted by smoky
Only people who dislike Chloe say that, TPTB really love her character. They're not going to kill her off.

So I guess they didn't like Jonathan's character?

[Poweranimals]

Originally posted by myankskent
So I guess they didn't like Jonathan's character? They did, but they killed him off because they felt that it was a necassary step for Clark to become the man he was destined to. I can agree with that also. He has evolved significently since JK's death.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Poweranimals
They did, but they killed him off because they felt that it was a necassary step for Clark to become the man he was destined to. I can agree with that also. He has evolved significently since JK's death.

And I think that Clark's character can evolve significantly if they kill Chloe off. He finally would have to make a move to handle thigns himself, which means getting into journalism. It would also force him to go to the one real character that should be helping him, that is JorEl.

[smoky]

Originally posted by myankskent
So I guess they didn't like Jonathan's character? From what I've heard, Jonathon dies when Clark was in H.S. If thats true, he actually got a little more time.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by smoky
From what I've heard, Jonathon dies when Clark was in H.S. If thats true, he actually got a little more time.

Jonathan doesn't die in the comics.

[rumpuso]

Originally posted by myankskent
The problem is, there is no way to fix Chloe's character. She can't all of a sudden lose intelligence. She is who she is and there is no place for her character to go anymore especially considering the fact that Lois should have a bigger role as the show goes on. I would kill her off in the finale or the premier next year, her death would effect so many on the show and I believe they will be effected for the better. It might also force the writers to reconstruct how they tell the stories because you will no longer have a person who can do anything on the show anymore. Clark will have to step up and take care of things by himself, along with the advice from Martha, Lois and Lana if she becomes Clark's close friend. This might breath some new life into the show from a storytelling standpoint.
I respectfully disagree. As much as I enjoy the bantering and natural chemistry between Lois and Clark, I don't find her presence in Smallville at this time a complete necessity. I think she could leave and the Smallville characters would interact just peachy as they had before Arrival. If they continue with the Lois character in Season 6, however, they'll need to come up with a plausible way to keep her in Smallville. Right now, she is floundering. Chloe, on the other hand, has all sorts of uses ... the main one primarily as Clark's best friend and sole keeper of his secret (sorry Pete!). That alone is buckets of good stuff, as long as they revert them back to equal grounds in friendship and get rid of Chloe the Oracle idea, or whatever they are doing with her. When she was pining over Clark, that was human (annoying yes, but human). When she was teasing him about his clothing selection in season 1, that was precious. When she was angry over losing him to Lana and then turned around and made that fateful deal with Lionel that she regretted, that was pure, honest and reactive...again, very human. All they would need to do in Season 6 is reintroduce us to Chloe the human. "Computer" Chloe isn't all that. Open a scene with her wigging out because she's got a test in the morning in a class that's kicking her butt, or show her exhausted for once at the Daily Planet rather than dressed like professional woman made up to the hilt with a good healthy dosage of Chloevage spilling out. Seriously. She's 18 or 19. She can have faults. As a matter of fact, I welcome them. Might make me care about her again. Or, here's a novel idea, have her go to Clark for some advice...it can be minor, but geez! It would show equality in their friendship for a change.

[smoky]

Originally posted by myankskent
And I think that Clark's character can evolve significantly if they kill Chloe off. He finally would have to make a move to handle thigns himself, which means getting into journalism. It would also force him to go to the one real character that should be helping him, that is JorEl. Chloe is in no way holding Clark back, she is all for him going out in the world & helping people. As soon as Clark can handle everything for himself he's Superman & the show is over. TPTB are hoping for 7 seasons which means they need to drag things out.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by rumpuso
I respectfully disagree. As much as I enjoy the bantering and natural chemistry between Lois and Clark, I don't find her presence in Smallville at this time a complete necessity. I think she could leave and the Smallville characters would interact just peachy as they had before Arrival. If they continue with the Lois character in Season 6, however, they'll need to come up with a plausible way to keep her in Smallville. Right now, she is floundering. Chloe, on the other hand, has all sorts of uses ... the main one primarily as Clark's best friend. That alone is buckets of good stuff, as long as they revert them back to equal grounds in friendship and get rid of Chloe the Oracle idea, or whatever they are doing with her. When she was pining over Clark, that was human (annoying yes, but human). When she was teasing him about his clothing selection in season 1, that was precious. When she was angry over losing him to Lana and then turned around and made that fateful deal that she regretted, that was pure, honest and reactive...again, very human. All they would need to do in Season 6 is reintroduce us to Chloe the human. "Computer" Chloe isn't all that. Open a scene with her wigging out because she's got a test in the morning in a class that's kicking her butt, or show her exhausted for once at the Daily Planet rather than dressed like professional woman made up to the hilt with a good healthy dosage of Chloevage spilling out. Seriously. She's 18 or 19. She can have faults. As a matter of fact, I welcome them. Might make me care about her again. Or, here's a novel idea, have her go to Clark for some advice...it can be minor, but geez! It would show equality in their friendship for a change.

Yeah, but that's easier said then done. When you've used up all of your storylines on her in earlier seasons and turn her into a machine type of character, it's hard to find new things for her to do. Now I agree with you on Lois in that she shouldn't be on the show right now, but the fact of the matter is that she is on the show. She's not going anywhere. So if I am going to believe that she is the real Lois Lane, I need Chloe out of here so I can see what Lois can do, not just on hacking, but on journalism as well. This is the reason why you have all of these Chloe=Lois threads because all of the intelligence is being put into Chloe's character and Lois is regarded as a muffin peddling college dropout

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by myankskent
Jonathan doesn't die in the comics.

I've said all I want to on this Chloe topic but I want to point out that you're completely wrong on this.

Jonathan does die in the comics AND in the movies as well.

In fact, BOTH Jonathan and Martha died in the Silver Age.

Right now? No, Jonathan is still alive.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by chlarklove
I've said all I want to on this Chloe topic but I want to point out that you're completely wrong on this.

Jonathan does die in the comics AND in the movies as well.

In fact, BOTH Jonathan and Martha died in the Silver Age.

Right now? No, Jonathan is still alive.

I don't understand the point of your post. What do you think I was saying, that Jonathan lives forever in the comics? Of course he dies at some point, but not this early in Clark's life. I was responding to another poster who said that Jonathan dies when Clark is in high school. So therfore, I don't think I was completely wrong in what I said.

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by myankskent
I don't understand the point of your post. What do you think I was saying, that Jonathan lives forever in the comics? Of course he dies at some point, but not this early in Clark's life. I was responding to another poster who said that Jonathan dies when Clark is in high school. So therfore, I don't think I was completely wrong in what I said.

I'm sorry... I forgot to clarify.

Jonathan dies in the movies right after Clark graduates HS and the same thing for both Jonathan and Martha in the Silver Age. I thought I put that in my first post.

[Deana]

The only Chloe storyline I care to see now, is the one they hinted at in Tomb.

I guess I'm the only one who saw the symbolism in them not showing Chloe's mother's face when she reunited with her daughter.

I saw that as Chloe being her mirror image. They were the same.

It's all set up once you think about it. She has to much on her. She's Clark's personal computer. As in intern at the DP she's pretty much every journalists' cpu/punching bag/coffee carrier, and she's also a college student. She's keeping Clark's secret. Add in the heriditery family illness.

No one but perfection personified can stand under all this pressure and not fall...

[Poweranimals]

Originally posted by myankskent
Jonathan doesn't die in the comics. Nor did he any of the other TV incarnations of Superman. However, I can see the necessity for it in Smallville. This is the first time we really got such a detailed story about a young Clark Kent. Miles and Gough wanted a darker edge to this series from the beginning. Something to take away from the cheesy boyscout image that Superman has always had. Granted, he's still a boyscout down deep, but it's so much more important when we see what he's overcome to be a hero.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by chlarklove
I'm sorry... I forgot to clarify.

Jonathan dies in the movies right after Clark graduates HS and the same thing for both Jonathan and Martha in the Silver Age. I thought I put that in my first post.

alright, no problem.

[Timester]

Originally posted by chlarklove
I've said all I want to on this Chloe topic but I want to point out that you're completely wrong on this.

Jonathan does die in the comics AND in the movies as well.

In fact, BOTH Jonathan and Martha died in the Silver Age.

Right now? No, Jonathan is still alive.

Actually, the movies is the only incarnation that he we see Jonathan dying. Yes, the Kents were dead when Earth-2 Superman appeared, but they didn't even had any importance on the comics. The Kents appeared later with the Superboy comics and they were alive (until they decided to retcon Earth-2 Superman and make Superboy his past). After the first Crisis, the Kents were again alive. We have to see the new timeline after the Infinite Crisis (but I presume we will have the new younger Kents from Birthright).

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Timester!

You appear to be a "Comics Afficionado" AND of fine and rare vintage Superman.

[batfinx]

So if I am going to believe that she is the real Lois Lane, I need Chloe out of here so I can see what Lois can do, not just on hacking, but on journalism as well. This is the reason why you have all of these Chloe=Lois threads because all of the intelligence is being put into Chloe's character and Lois is regarded as a muffin peddling college dropout

I do NOT want to see Lois Lane as a computer hacker. That's so Jimmy Olsen :D And the 'chloe=lois' threads started before Lois was ever on the show. Denegrating Lois doesn't change the fact that Erica Durance is Smallville's Lois. She was never meant to be a walking encyclopedia who hacks into computers and can identify an obscure piece of electronic equipment that pops out of a statue's belly :lol:

Chloe is a journalist in name only these days. Even that little article she got published far from the front page would not have happened without Clark and Lois's help. Aside from that she's in the basement answering phones about obituaries and looking up statistics on jaywaliking. When she's not doing that, she's a shortcut to exposition hacking into computers, tracking Lana, turning power off at LuthorCorp or saving Clark's bacon at the Fortress of Solitude.

I'd say Chloe wouldn't have to die or step aside for Lois to be a journalist because Chloe isn't one right now. Even back at the Torch, Lois went under cover pretending to be a prospective patient of the wacko plastic surgeon to get the goods on her in Facade. That's more the kind of thing Lois Lane has traditionally done as a reporter and in Devoted where Lois and Clark were trying to get the formula and it was comical. Those were the best written eps with Lois and fun back when the show still managed to pull in 6 million viewers regularly.

They can keep givng Chloe amazing skills, but it actually seems to distance her from journalism. Maybe that's what they're trying to do ultimately. With her skills Uncle Sam would want to hire her and I don't mean Sam Lane :D

[umm]

Originally posted by batfinx
I do NOT want to see Lois Lane as a computer hacker. That's so Jimmy Olsen :D And the 'chloe=lois' threads started before Lois was ever on the show. Denegrating Lois doesn't change the fact that Erica Durance is Smallville's Lois. She was never meant to be a walking encyclopedia who hacks into computers and can identify an obscure piece of electronic equipment that pops out of a statue's belly :lol:

Chloe is a journalist in name only these days. Even that little article she got published far from the front page would not have happened without Clark and Lois's help. Aside from that she's in the basement answering phones about obituaries and looking up statistics on jaywaliking. When she's not doing that, she's a shortcut to exposition hacking into computers, tracking Lana, turning power off at LuthorCorp or saving Clark's bacon at the Fortress of Solitude.

I'd say Chloe wouldn't have to die or step aside for Lois to be a journalist because Chloe isn't one right now. Even back at the Torch, Lois went under cover pretending to be a prospective patient of the wacko plastic surgeon to get the goods on her in Facade. That's more the kind of thing Lois Lane has traditionally done as a reporter and in Devoted where Lois and Clark were trying to get the formula and it was comical. Those were the best written eps with Lois and fun back when the show still managed to pull in 6 million viewers regularly.

They can keep givng Chloe amazing skills, but it actually seems to distance her from journalism. Maybe that's what they're trying to do ultimately. With her skills Uncle Sam would want to hire her and I don't mean Sam Lane :D

Well, it could very well be so, considering that her character was bought by that cartoon company, I keep forgetting the name, so maybe they want to create another career path for her before she appears, if ever, in the Superman or the Justice League cartoons and comicbooks. Who knows?

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by umm
Well, it could very well be so, considering that her character was bought by that cartoon company, I keep forgetting the name, so maybe they want to create another career path for her before she appears, if ever, in the Superman or the Justice League cartoons and comicbooks. Who knows?

You mean DC Comics umm.

And that would be plausible as they may be setting up Chloe with these skills for a transition role into that portion of Superman's World.;)

[umm]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
You mean DC Comics umm.

And that would be plausible as they may be setting up Chloe with these skills for a transition role into that portion of Superman's World.;)

Yeah, that one! Thanks, :) Anyway, good night to all until next time!:)

[Deana]

Originally posted by batfinx
I do NOT want to see Lois Lane as a computer hacker. That's so Jimmy Olsen :D And the 'chloe=lois' threads started before Lois was ever on the show. Denegrating Lois doesn't change the fact that Erica Durance is Smallville's Lois. She was never meant to be a walking encyclopedia who hacks into computers and can identify an obscure piece of electronic equipment that pops out of a statue's belly :lol:

Chloe is a journalist in name only these days. Even that little article she got published far from the front page would not have happened without Clark and Lois's help. Aside from that she's in the basement answering phones about obituaries and looking up statistics on jaywaliking. When she's not doing that, she's a shortcut to exposition hacking into computers, tracking Lana, turning power off at LuthorCorp or saving Clark's bacon at the Fortress of Solitude.

I'd say Chloe wouldn't have to die or step aside for Lois to be a journalist because Chloe isn't one right now. Even back at the Torch, Lois went under cover pretending to be a prospective patient of the wacko plastic surgeon to get the goods on her in Facade. That's more the kind of thing Lois Lane has traditionally done as a reporter and in Devoted where Lois and Clark were trying to get the formula and it was comical. Those were the best written eps with Lois and fun back when the show still managed to pull in 6 million viewers regularly.

They can keep givng Chloe amazing skills, but it actually seems to distance her from journalism. Maybe that's what they're trying to do ultimately. With her skills Uncle Sam would want to hire her and I don't mean Sam Lane :D

I agree completely. :)

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by umm
Yeah, that one! Thanks, :) Anyway, good night to all until next time!:)

Night umm!:)

[jaime,oburg]

Wow! 27 pages about our girl Chloe. Love her or hate her, she is a character that provokes posts. That is a character that tptb want around whether one likes the way she is written or not. Keep rocking the boat Chloe!:p

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

If we get to the half way mark of 50 and then 100 pages before the next airing....

It will be a major milestone for the Chloe in an Episode thread....skills and all!

[xrayvision]

This already surpassed the Opinions on Lana thread from Fragile, which I thought was a lot.

[Timester]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Wow! 27 pages about our girl Chloe. Love her or hate her, she is a character that provokes posts. That is a character that tptb want around whether one likes the way she is written or not. Keep rocking the boat Chloe!:p

Nope, unfortunally that's Lana. The problem here is people do like Chloe, but that are making her so unbelievable.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Timester
The problem here is people do like Chloe, but that are making her so unbelievable.

Says who? :p

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Says who? :p

Well, me for one.

The last time we saw any character development from Chloe was "Blank" in Season 4. Since then, she has been little more than a plot device. She knows everything, or can find out anything in about 20 seconds. So, if Clark needs to learn something, then they just roll out Chloe to tap on her magic computer. Worse was in "Mercy" when she had obscure technical information on the tip of her tounge.

It just is not plausible.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by batfinx
I do NOT want to see Lois Lane as a computer hacker. That's so Jimmy Olsen :D And the 'chloe=lois' threads started before Lois was ever on the show. Denegrating Lois doesn't change the fact that Erica Durance is Smallville's Lois. She was never meant to be a walking encyclopedia who hacks into computers and can identify an obscure piece of electronic equipment that pops out of a statue's belly :lol:

Chloe is a journalist in name only these days. Even that little article she got published far from the front page would not have happened without Clark and Lois's help. Aside from that she's in the basement answering phones about obituaries and looking up statistics on jaywaliking. When she's not doing that, she's a shortcut to exposition hacking into computers, tracking Lana, turning power off at LuthorCorp or saving Clark's bacon at the Fortress of Solitude.

I'd say Chloe wouldn't have to die or step aside for Lois to be a journalist because Chloe isn't one right now. Even back at the Torch, Lois went under cover pretending to be a prospective patient of the wacko plastic surgeon to get the goods on her in Facade. That's more the kind of thing Lois Lane has traditionally done as a reporter and in Devoted where Lois and Clark were trying to get the formula and it was comical. Those were the best written eps with Lois and fun back when the show still managed to pull in 6 million viewers regularly.

They can keep givng Chloe amazing skills, but it actually seems to distance her from journalism. Maybe that's what they're trying to do ultimately. With her skills Uncle Sam would want to hire her and I don't mean Sam Lane :D

I agree. When has Lois ever been a computer hacker, anyway? No incarnation of Lois that I've ever heard of has been into techno-babble or been a whiz kid at computers. And I know computers are a fairly new invention and that the character of Lois Lane predates them, but no version of Lois Lane has ever been a big technological pro like Chloe is.

That's a good point that they seem to be going more towards the computer whiz/hacker route with Chloe's character than the investigative reporter route, because you're right, we hardly ever see Chloe do any true investigative journalism anymore.

[Timester]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I agree. When has Lois ever been a computer hacker, anyway? No incarnation of Lois that I've ever heard of has been into techno-babble or been a whiz kid at computers. And I know computers are a fairly new invention and that the character of Lois Lane predates them, but no version of Lois Lane has ever been a big technological pro like Chloe is.

That's a good point that they seem to be going more towards the computer whiz/hacker route with Chloe's character than the investigative reporter route, because you're right, we hardly ever see Chloe do any true investigative journalism anymore.

Teri's Lois Lane even was anti-technology. She was extremelly skeptical to anything that had a chip inside and had so much problem even to work with some new word processor or e-mail system.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by batfinx
I'd say Chloe wouldn't have to die or step aside for Lois to be a journalist because Chloe isn't one right now. Even back at the Torch, Lois went under cover pretending to be a prospective patient of the wacko plastic surgeon to get the goods on her in Facade. That's more the kind of thing Lois Lane has traditionally done as a reporter and in Devoted where Lois and Clark were trying to get the formula and it was comical. Those were the best written eps with Lois and fun back when the show still managed to pull in 6 million viewers regularly.
I completely agree with you. I think Chloe's skills revolve completely around the computer, while Lois is much more the under-cover, get-out-there-in-the-middle-of-the-story type investigator, like she was in Exposed this season. Lois also has a less intellectual interest in the subject matter. Chloe was all over finding a name and headline for Vengeance, almost ignoring the fact that Clark was looking for his father's watch. Lois seems to put more heart into her investigating.

BTW -- interesting idea about Chloe going to work for the government! :cool:

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I think Chloe's computer skills are just a plot devise. They use them to reveal information, and get character A to point B as quickly and easily as possible. In that sense, I think the writing is indeed quite lazy on that score. "We need Clark to know something. Have him Chloe look on the computer to tell him. We need Clark to find someone. Have Chloe use her computer skills to point him in the right direction." It's just become the easy out for the writers. Basically, Chloe is as good with computers as the writers need her to be in a given episode. And, if that's unbelievably good, so be it. It's definately one of the show's flaws. There's a way to show Chloe helping Clark using her computer skills without taking it over the top.

That being said, I think folks are blowing it way out of proportion. Chloe being good with computers isn't overshadowing Clark or stifling his development. The writers are doing that. It is possible for more than one character at a time to be competant.

I don't know. It seems like people are saying the only way Clark can be a hero is if he does everything himself and doesn't get any help from anyone. But that's just not true. Since people keep bringing up BtVS, I'll use that as an example. Buffy always had help. And other people besides Buffy often saved the day. But that didn't make her any less the hero. Because while others (like Giles and Willow) were good at what they did, Buffy was good at what she did.

Chloe doesn't have to be diminished in order for Clark to be more of a hero. Clark just needs more of that development we've been waiting for for five seasons.

Wow!.....my thoughts exactly........have you been reading my mind? If you have......then Good Job! You wouldn't happen to know the winning lotto numbers....would you?.......Oh right....that's not really mind reading is it......my bad. Good Job on reading my thoughts anyway.....or as everybody is so fond of saying........"WORD!"


Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
quote: Originally posted by MsSullivan Chloe has been shown to have computer skills since season 1, but it didn't require her to hack into places she does now. They are not in high school anymore. In hidden we saw Gabriel, a guy she worked with for years (according to Hidden) which means he could have been the one to show her. Additionally, in Hidden we saw that Chloe can't hack into everything. She wasn't able to stop the missle. RE: Chloe's love life if you go to AM's #1 fan site, a chloe fan messaged SDK and was told that this next season we'd see someone ZIP INTO TOWN and SWEEP HER OFF HER FEET. Hmmm...Clark zips around....and the set up for him to go to MET U is there....


quote: Originally posted by MsSullivan perfectly aware of that, but they've set up chlark since day 1 and honestly I think its Clark. I wouldn't be surprised if we get some chlark hints in these last three episodes...then i could die happy. the annual kiss...we've got three episodes to go!




Okay CK&CK!

I am curious as to MsSullivan's first quote I put in red.....PM me or her about that please. Tabby at AMO believed the same about the Chlark before the end of season!

And on different not....it could be Kyle Galner's Flash? (hoping I'm wrong)

As far as Chloe's skills.....I calL her "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" Chloe!:p

Hello LastFatherOfKrypton,

Actually, I don't know much more than what was posted. And yeah, I agree with you....especially since our favorite fellow in total red was the first person that I thought of. It would be kind of cool if now being older, Bart had a more impacting romantic effect on our favorite Golden Girl.......and the icing on the cake would be you know who getting jealous over it.

Martha "Clark....what's wrong.....don't tell me that Chloe's date tonight is bothering you?"

Clark "Bother me? Why should it bother me? I don't have feelings for her like I do with Lana?........It's just.....don't you think Bart's moving in a little too fast?"

Martha "Well, Clark......this is Bart we're talking about......"FAST" is his middle name"


Originally posted by IVODARK
Agreed. She's became a plot device. But she is cute and fairly smart, and SHE IS NOT LANA. Remember? The martial artist/cheerleader/astronomer/coffee shop owner/artist. Jeez!!

That's enough for me..........seriously....it is. And not just because Chloe is more coherent....."Continuinty" wise that is. Years of working with that Little Laptop as opposed to One Little Lesson from Lex on Lana Fu.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by xrayvision
This already surpassed the Opinions on Lana thread from Fragile, which I thought was a lot.

How about it!
*in my best Darth Vader voice* "Impressive, most impressive". :lol:


Originally posted by MBCorp
I agree. When has Lois ever been a computer hacker, anyway? No incarnation of Lois that I've ever heard of has been into techno-babble or been a whiz kid at computers. And I know computers are a fairly new invention and that the character of Lois Lane predates them, but no version of Lois Lane has ever been a big technological pro like Chloe is.

That's a good point that they seem to be going more towards the computer whiz/hacker route with Chloe's character than the investigative reporter route, because you're right, we hardly ever see Chloe do any true investigative journalism anymore.

I agree. It's not that I so much have a problem with Chloe's unbelievable computer skills when it comes to helping out Clark, it's just they have gotten away from what Chloe's true passion and dream is.... Being an investigative reporter, her way of making the world a better place.

We can't say that this season we haven't seen ANY evidence of that passion. Chloe and Lois both went undercover at the Windgate. Well, Chloe was a lot more "undercover" then Lois!;) :lol:
But the investigative journalism has taken a back seat to the computer. I want Chloe to get out more from behind the desk too!:cool:

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Okay CK&CK! I am curious as to MsSullivan's first quote I put in red.....PM me or her about that please. Tabby at AMO believed the same about the Chlark before the end of season!

And on different not....it could be Kyle Galner's Flash? (hoping I'm wrong) As far as Chloe's skills.....I calL her "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" Chloe!



Originally posted by CK&CK
Hello LastFatherOfKrypton,

Actually, I don't know much more than what was posted. And yeah, I agree with you....especially since our favorite fellow in total red was the first person that I thought of. It would be kind of cool if now being older, Bart had a more impacting romantic effect on our favorite Golden Girl.......and the icing on the cake would be you know who getting jealous over it.

Martha "Clark....what's wrong.....don't tell me that Chloe's date tonight is bothering you?"

Clark "Bother me? Why should it bother me? I don't have feelings for her like I do with Lana?........It's just.....don't you think Bart's moving in a little too fast?"

Martha "Well, Clark......this is Bart we're talking about......"FAST" is his middle name"


Thanks!

And that beautiful piece of dialog was "right on the money"!!:lol:

If it happens that way, I sure Clark would not take his "Computer Skilled" Supergirl Chloe for granted ever again!:lol:

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
I agree. It's not that I so much have a problem with Chloe's unbelievable computer skills when it comes to helping out Clark, it's just they have gotten away from what Chloe's true passion and dream is.... Being an investigative reporter, her way of making the world a better place.
I agree with you. Chloe's development this season has been a little surprising. Her computer skills are soaring, but her journalism passion seems to be taking a backseat. She is much more interested in pursuing Brainiac, the ship, the FOTWs -- just like in high school. It's almost as if the Torch served as a backdrop where she could have the wall of wierd and chase after meteor frieaks rather than the newspaper being the real focus of her interests.

I think her real interest is her fascination with the weird. And her fascination with the computer and her "cool toys." She want to expose the weird things she discovers -- like she did in Thirst, but I don't get the social justice vibe or the public service vibe from her. Not yet, anyway.

So it's not so much the miraculous computer skills that I wonder about -- they don't bother me, either -- as the fact that the computer has become the go-to source for everything rather than shoe leather type investigating (I guess we're calling that "plot device"), and that it seems to have overtaken the passion for journalism in Chloe's life.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Chloe's continued development...skills included is just indicative of the potential as a role model for others who witness the "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" side of her and one of her many facets.

If it were not for these skills, the focus on just plain investigative/scooby journalism would be at best "boring" to the Smallville viewer.

[Chloe fan1988]

I agree that Chloe has become a plot device this season, more or less, which has become old, but I also agree with a previous poster who said that this show is about a boy from another planet who can lift tractors and who will one day fly. There are things on Smallville that are far more unrealistic than Chloe's mad computer skills.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
If it were not for these skills, the focus on just plain investigative/scooby journalism would be at best "boring" to the Smallville viewer.
I don't agree. The investigative work done by Clark and Lois as a team is always interesting to me and hardly ever involves the computer. Watching Lois and Chloe sneak into the LuthorCorp warehouse was much more interesting than watching Chloe type on her computer. And the investigation that Chloe and Lois did in Exposed didn't rely on the computer until the end when Clark was trying to find Lois.

I think TPTB could reign it in a little when it comes to the computer hacking. There was much more legwork in Season 4 -- Blank, Gone, Krypto, Facade, Devoted, Recruit. Watching the characters investigate wasn't boring, IMO (even when I wasn't thrilled with the story). And the truth is, you can't do real journalism from a desktop.

[aqua]

I think that investigating can be interesting if it's between two characters who are talking and interacting. However, if it's a big and action-packed episode, like a season finale or a mythology episode, then I agree with Chloe just looking it up on the computer and letting us get to the plot.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I don't agree. The investigative work done by Clark and Lois as a team is always interesting to me and hardly ever involves the computer. Watching Lois and Chloe sneak into the LuthorCorp warehouse was much more interesting than watching Chloe type on her computer. And the investigation that Chloe and Lois did in Exposed didn't rely on the computer until the end when Clark was trying to find Lois.

I think TPTB could reign it in a little when it comes to the computer hacking. There was much more legwork in Season 4 -- Blank, Gone, Krypto, Facade, Devoted, Recruit. Watching the characters investigate wasn't boring, IMO (even when I wasn't thrilled with the story). And the truth is, you can't do real journalism from a desktop.


Okay!

I confess the investigative/espionage of "Chlo" and "Lo" were entertaining along with other investigative Chloe and Clark this season as well.

But, we have had a build up of computer wizardry from Chloe which just adds to the investigative drama.....lending "spice" to the plot.

It may a stretch to defend the writers in this area but I don't see how they could do this episode or previous one without Chloe's computer in the mix.:(

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by aqua
I think that investigating can be interesting if it's between two characters who are talking and interacting. However, if it's a big and action-packed episode, like a season finale or a mythology episode, then I agree with Chloe just looking it up on the computer and letting us get to the plot.

I agree....except that they can always make it a little more interesting than her just looking up information. However, when I count the number of commericals that go by during the breaks, I know exactly where this extra time went........."We'll be back momentarily with More of the Scooby Doo Adventures of Chloe & Clark.....but first....a word from our sponsor".

[myankskent]

Originally posted by batfinx
I do NOT want to see Lois Lane as a computer hacker. That's so Jimmy Olsen :D And the 'chloe=lois' threads started before Lois was ever on the show. Denegrating Lois doesn't change the fact that Erica Durance is Smallville's Lois. She was never meant to be a walking encyclopedia who hacks into computers and can identify an obscure piece of electronic equipment that pops out of a statue's belly :lol:

Chloe is a journalist in name only these days. Even that little article she got published far from the front page would not have happened without Clark and Lois's help. Aside from that she's in the basement answering phones about obituaries and looking up statistics on jaywaliking. When she's not doing that, she's a shortcut to exposition hacking into computers, tracking Lana, turning power off at LuthorCorp or saving Clark's bacon at the Fortress of Solitude.

I'd say Chloe wouldn't have to die or step aside for Lois to be a journalist because Chloe isn't one right now. Even back at the Torch, Lois went under cover pretending to be a prospective patient of the wacko plastic surgeon to get the goods on her in Facade. That's more the kind of thing Lois Lane has traditionally done as a reporter and in Devoted where Lois and Clark were trying to get the formula and it was comical. Those were the best written eps with Lois and fun back when the show still managed to pull in 6 million viewers regularly.

They can keep givng Chloe amazing skills, but it actually seems to distance her from journalism. Maybe that's what they're trying to do ultimately. With her skills Uncle Sam would want to hire her and I don't mean Sam Lane :D

You have some strange takes on things in that post. Here's what I'll say...I don't want Lois to become a computer hacker either. I don't want Lois to be a machine like character that Chloe is. It would be nice to see Lois as a person with faults but at the same time, have goals to become something great. Chloe just woke up and was great, there was no progression and no believability in her character, especially this season.

I do, however, disagree with you when you say that Chloe isn't a journalist. She is a journalist but she miraculously has abilities that no journalist has. So I feel that Chloe needs to be out of the way in order for Lois to step up and become a journalist. It's a case where Lois can never be better than Chloe based on how they have it now. So the only way to do it properly is to get rid of Chloe and start moving Lois into journalism slowly after that.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I completely agree with you. I think Chloe's skills revolve completely around the computer, while Lois is much more the under-cover, get-out-there-in-the-middle-of-the-story type investigator, like she was in Exposed this season. Lois also has a less intellectual interest in the subject matter. Chloe was all over finding a name and headline for Vengeance, almost ignoring the fact that Clark was looking for his father's watch. Lois seems to put more heart into her investigating.

BTW -- interesting idea about Chloe going to work for the government! :cool:

Again, I disagree with Chloe not being a journalist. Are we saying that Chloe needs to go undercover to be a journalist? She might use the computer for hacking, but she still researches things by using the computer. Then she writes articles about them. That sounds like journalism to me. Chloe just has an unrealistic facet to her career, the fact that she can hack, investigate, write, problem solve and work in the field rather than always staying at a desk.

[batfinx]

Again, I disagree with Chloe not being a journalist. Are we saying that Chloe needs to go undercover to be a journalist? She might use the computer for hacking, but she still researches things by using the computer. Then she writes articles about them.

What articles? The vampire one that didn't get published, or the tiny blurb in Exposed that did? I could type up 700 pages and say it's my novel, but no one would call me a novelist unless I got it published. All these months later and with all Chloe's skills, she's still in the basement. Maybe in the few remaining episodes this season they'll show Chloe working as a reporter and maybe Clark will show an interest in journalism too and go back to college. Mabye Met U this time.

[jaime,oburg]

Pauline Kahn did say Chloe needed to prove herself. Everyone has to start somewhere and at the bottom of the DP is where Chloe is going to be until she pays her dues. Having her work as a full fledge reporter at this point in her life would be even more unbelievable then the computor skills. The girl is a freshman at Met U. Give her time, give her time....she'll get there.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by batfinx
What articles? The vampire one that didn't get published, or the tiny blurb in Exposed that did? I could type up 700 pages and say it's my novel, but no one would call me a novelist unless I got it published. All these months later and with all Chloe's skills, she's still in the basement. Maybe in the few remaining episodes this season they'll show Chloe working as a reporter and maybe Clark will show an interest in journalism too and go back to college. Mabye Met U this time.

How do you know that what she is writing isn't getting published? And are you saying that Chloe is sitting at her daily planet desk twittling her thumbs? She must be writing something, she was hired as a journalist, even if she is working in the basement. She's still a freshman in college for goodness sakes! So therefore I wouldn't say that Chloe isn't a journalist anymore.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
She might use the computer for hacking, but she still researches things by using the computer. Then she writes articles about them. That sounds like journalism to me.
But it's not.

I agree w/ the post above that says Chloe needs time to prove herself. I'd like to see some of that development down the line. It will be interesting to see how they balance Chloe's growth in journalism w/ Lois's -- and Clark's. If they ever get to that part of the story.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
But it's not.

I agree w/ the post above that says Chloe needs time to prove herself. I'd like to see some of that development down the line. It will be interesting to see how they balance Chloe's growth in journalism w/ Lois's -- and Clark's. If they ever get to that part of the story.

But they're not balancing Chloe's growth in journalism with Clark and Lois' growth. Chloe's written articles for the torch back in season 1 that she handed in to the daily planet in order to get an internship there for the summer. And this was when she was a freshman in high school! Now she is a freshman in college and she has a permanent position at the daily planet, even if she is in the basement for the time being. How is that not development? What Chloe has done these past four years has made complete fools out of the two people that are supposed to be two of the best reporters at the daily planet in the future, Clark and Lois.

What Chloe is doing now is journalism, by the way. Maybe she is not getting her articles published, but she has a job as a journalist, once again, while she is a freshman in college.

[attitudejc]

she is a journalist. just because she may not be writing "Front page" articles, doesn't mean that she isn't writing any at all, or that shes not a journalist. we know that she can do the research because she did it for the um...lets see......four years of SMallville.
questiong: in "Veagence" wasn't she putting together an article or something?

[Watching Smallville]

I agree that what Chloe is doing at the Planet is beginning journalism -- the obits, the article she did in Exposed. But simply doing research on a computer and writing about it is not journalism in a professional sense. There's much more to it than that.

I'm hoping we see some interest in journalism from Clark and Lois before the end of the series. That's the balance I was talking about.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I agree that what Chloe is doing at the Planet is beginning journalism -- the obits, the article she did in Exposed. But simply doing research on a computer and writing about it is not journalism in a professional sense. There's much more to it than that.

I'm hoping we see some interest in journalism from Clark and Lois before the end of the series. That's the balance I was talking about.

But this is the digital age. So the computer is sometimes a better source than going somewhere to find information. Plus, remember in Solitude, Chloe followed Brainiac back to the warehouse and then went back there later on to investigate as Lois tagged along. Now it might not have been for an article, and the idea of Chloe actually being able to track Brainiac is absurd, but it is part of journalism. And as far as balancing things out, the only thing that they can do is have Lois and Clark jump right over Chloe at the planet which I do not see happening. For one thing, something needs to attract them to journalism. Which is again why I say that if Chloe were out of the picture, Clark would be forced to do things for himself and Lois would attempt to become the journalist that Chloe was striving to be.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by myankskent
But this is the digital age. So the computer is sometimes a better source than going somewhere to find information. Plus, remember in Solitude, Chloe followed Brainiac back to the warehouse and then went back there later on to investigate as Lois tagged along. Now it might not have been for an article, and the idea of Chloe actually being able to track Brainiac is absurd, but it is part of journalism. And as far as balancing things out, the only thing that they can do is have Lois and Clark jump right over Chloe at the planet which I do not see happening. For one thing, something needs to attract them to journalism. Which is again why I say that if Chloe were out of the picture, Clark would be forced to do things for himself and Lois would attempt to become the journalist that Chloe was striving to be.

They still have around eleven years to go before Clark becomes Superman. Give it time:)

[gemini]

Originally posted by myankskent
But this is the digital age. So the computer is sometimes a better source than going somewhere to find information. Plus, remember in Solitude, Chloe followed Brainiac back to the warehouse and then went back there later on to investigate as Lois tagged along. Now it might not have been for an article, and the idea of Chloe actually being able to track Brainiac is absurd, but it is part of journalism. And as far as balancing things out, the only thing that they can do is have Lois and Clark jump right over Chloe at the planet which I do not see happening. For one thing, something needs to attract them to journalism. Which is again why I say that if Chloe were out of the picture, Clark would be forced to do things for himself and Lois would attempt to become the journalist that Chloe was striving to be.

Hum hum

Why should Chloe go away/die to give the opportunity to Clark and Lois to be journalist?

[boywithbluehanger]

i too was a little bothered by chloe all of the sudden having computer skills even though im sure she has hacked before on the show (or maybe it was just one of her "connections") i think its a little too late for her to be the computer nerd type...after all they had 4 seasons to write that into her character. tptb must admit it, it was a bad line. (but still forgivable....AM is one of the most convincing actresses on television:cool: )

[myankskent]

Originally posted by gemini
Hum hum

Why should Chloe go away/die to give the opportunity to Clark and Lois to be journalist?

Isn't it obvious? Are Clark and Lois showing interest in journalism right now? No, they are relying on Chloe's superskills to do the work for them, particularly Clark. That's not going to miraculously change as long as Chloe is around. Clark has too many other things going on like the JorEl/Brainiac stuff and the lexana storyline. He uses Chloe to get the information for him, but without her around, it will be a wakeup call for him. No longer will things be handed to him on a silver platter by chloe. Plus, if they were to ever get Lois and Clark closer, not really in a romantic way, but with some flirtatious moments, there is no way that Chloe can be on the show because then we'll see yet another love triangle and this time, we'll get to see two cousins go at one another.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
But this is the digital age. So the computer is sometimes a better source than going somewhere to find information. Plus, remember in Solitude, Chloe followed Brainiac back to the warehouse and then went back there later on to investigate as Lois tagged along. Now it might not have been for an article, and the idea of Chloe actually being able to track Brainiac is absurd, but it is part of journalism. And as far as balancing things out, the only thing that they can do is have Lois and Clark jump right over Chloe at the planet which I do not see happening. For one thing, something needs to attract them to journalism. Which is again why I say that if Chloe were out of the picture, Clark would be forced to do things for himself and Lois would attempt to become the journalist that Chloe was striving to be.
I never said Chloe wasn't a journalist. I just said journalism is more than hacking on the computer. If you listen to journalists, they do more than find facts that might be on record somewhere. For one thing, they've got sources. Sources know things that aren't available by computer, because it's new information, or it's so confidential, no one commits it to writing, or because they've got a certain perspective on the events -- and journalists pull different sources, different points of view, different reasons why things are happening into the mix.

Anyway -- I don't think we know how, or even whether, they're going to show how Clark and Lois get into journalism at the Planet. I'm just interested to see how they would do it. I hope they come up with something where Chloe doesn't have to be out of the picture. That would be smart writing. Clark has already said he wants to be a reporter -- I forget which episode. And Lois has already shown interest. So I don't think Chloe is holding them back as much as other things in their lives right now.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I never said Chloe wasn't a journalist. I just said journalism is more than hacking on the computer. If you listen to journalists, they do more than find facts that might be on record somewhere. For one thing, they've got sources. Sources know things that aren't available by computer, because it's new information, or it's so confidential, no one commits it to writing, or because they've got a certain perspective on the events -- and journalists pull different sources, different points of view, different reasons why things are happening into the mix.

Anyway -- I don't think we know how, or even whether, they're going to show how Clark and Lois get into journalism at the Planet. I'm just interested to see how they would do it. I hope they come up with something where Chloe doesn't have to be out of the picture. That would be smart writing. Clark has already said he wants to be a reporter -- I forget which episode. And Lois has already shown interest. So I don't think Chloe is holding them back as much as other things in their lives right now.

I hate to continue to beat a dead horse here, but you said that journalists have sources and stuff, and evidently you feel that Chloe doesn't have this. Well I seem to remember an enormous amount of times during the series where Chloe says that she has sources in various locations. This girl has sources everywhere so I think that proves that she does do more than computer hacking. In my opinion, Chloe does it all regarding journalism and does it all regarding information technology.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
I hate to continue to beat a dead horse here, but you said that journalists have sources and stuff, and evidently you feel that Chloe doesn't have this. Well I seem to remember an enormous amount of times during the series where Chloe says that she has sources in various locations. This girl has sources everywhere so I think that proves that she does do more than computer hacking. In my opinion, Chloe does it all regarding journalism and does it all regarding information technology.
You seem to think that I said Chloe isn't a journalist. I never said that. If you look at my post, you'll see that's my first sentence. What I said is that computer hacking isn't journalism. And I stand by that. And if you read my previous posts, you'll see that I said Chloe is working at the beginnings of journalism. I don't think we have an argument here.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
You seem to think that I said Chloe isn't a journalist. I never said that. If you look at my post, you'll see that's my first sentence. What I said is that computer hacking isn't journalism. And I stand by that. And if you read my previous posts, you'll see that I said Chloe is working at the beginnings of journalism. I don't think we have an argument here.

I took your above post as though you think that all Chloe does is hack, which I disagree with. But if that's not what you feel, then we are in agreement. And I do agree that there is more to journalism than hacking. Actually, I don't think hacking is even a part of journalism if you ask me. Hacking is illegal, and if someone were to write stories about the things that they've discovered while hacking, chances are they'd land in jail faster than Clark superspeeding to metropolis.

[Mistryman]

It would have made more sense if one of lexs's people just found the address. It would have made so much more sense. I agree it was very, in fact extremly stupid having chloe doing it all.

[zanos]

Originally posted by gemini
Hum hum

Why should Chloe go away/die to give the opportunity to Clark and Lois to be journalist?

Not die but maybe get sentenced to jail or guantanamo bay for her hacking activiites :)

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by gemini
Hum hum

Why should Chloe go away/die to give the opportunity to Clark and Lois to be journalist?

She shouldn't and she doesn't have to die or go away to give Clark and Lois the opportunity to get interested in journalism. That would be a really disappointing way of introducing Clark and Lois's interest in journalism. They need to get bit by the bug on their own. Chloe doesn't stand in the way.
Chloe's future isn't a prerequisit of what should hapen with Clark and Lois. Chloe can be an inspiration, no big deal. But Clark and Lois should find it in themselves to get motivated in journalism. Where's it writtten what happens to Chloe needs to effect that. I don't buy that one characters actions have to forcefully shape anothers. Superman isn't a Marvel incarnation. Clark and Lois can develope on their own regardless of what the future holds for Chloe or any other character. One can't blame another character's development or lack of developement on that.

This thread was suppose to be about computer skills. WTH happened? lol :rotfl::):rotfl: :rotfl:

[my3cats]

Isn't it time to call a Mary Sue, a Mary Sue, unrealistic, unrealistic and contrivance, contrivance?

If it was Lana,Lois,Pete or any other character aquiring amazing new abilities out of nowhere or suddenly being "redeemed" and portrayed as a saint or more of a superhero than Clark............But,since it's Chloe it just can't be BS?


I've never been a big fan of Chloe,but before this season she was a much, much more realistic,developed and interesting character than she is now.
This season she only exist to be Generic Sidekick and pull out Super-MarySue-Skilz and a car trunk full of secret weapons for whatever the plot contrivance calls for, no personality,no internal conflicts, no complexity, she might as well be a robot, it's so two-dimentional.


And it is out of nowhere, Chloe's "contacts" were always pulled out for convenient exposition,but,it used to be limited to people a teenaged girl would actually be likely to know,now she has all this influence everywhere, I'd be surprised if some of Zod's minions don't turn out to be secretly working for her. :rolleyes:

There was no mention at the begining of the series of Chloe being some kind of supergenious or one of the world's most acomplished computer hackers or a technology expert or Smallvilles answer to James Bond, and she certainly wasn't a selfless,faultless saint.
It all just came out of nowhere S5 and it doesn't make sense.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by my3cats
Isn't it time to call a Mary Sue, a Mary Sue, unrealistic, unrealistic and contrivance, contrivance?

If it was Lana,Lois,Pete or any other character aquiring amazing new abilities out of nowhere or suddenly being "redeemed" and portrayed as a saint or more of a superhero than Clark............But,since it's Chloe it just can't be BS?


I've never been a big fan of Chloe,but before this season she was a much, much more realistic,developed and interesting character than she is now.
This season she only exist to be Generic Sidekick and pull out Super-MarySue-Skilz and a car trunk full of secret weapons for whatever the plot contrivance calls for, no personality,no internal conflicts, no complexity, she might as well be a robot, it's so two-dimentional.


And it is out of nowhere, Chloe's "contacts" were always pulled out for convenient exposition,but,it used to be limited to people a teenaged girl would actually be likely to know,now she has all this influence everywhere, I'd be surprised if some of Zod's minions don't turn out to be secretly working for her. :rolleyes:

There was no mention at the begining of the series of Chloe being some kind of supergenious or one of the world's most acomplished computer hackers or a technology expert or Smallvilles answer to James Bond, and she certainly wasn't a selfless,faultless saint.
It all just came out of nowhere S5 and it doesn't make sense.

For myself, I don't mind so much when people dislike that they are pushing the envolpe with regards to Chloe's skills.....because....hey, they are.......but that's no worse than saying her skills came out of nowhere. That is just as bad, and just flat out incorrect. She's been messing with computers & technolgy for the longest time. Well, with computers....definitely from the very beginning.....no one can deny that......now, other technologies?....well, definitely since the beginning of the season 5 at least.....just take a look at what's in her trunk.......come to think of it......didn't she do in Mr. Mixel....Myxilpita.....Mixy......oh what ever his name was....didn't she and Clark do him in with a scrambler that she borrowed from her Uncle the General?......It's definitely been implied that she's been around technology....and that she's not just comfortable with it but quite intelligent when it comes to it. Yeah, she's been around it.....even by her own admission....well, almost her own.

from Tomb while she's possesed:

Chloe "Can I borrow this?" Shows Lana the stun weapon.

Lana "It's yours"

Chloe "Oh......I own a lot a pretty cool stuff".


And as far as contacts, she's definitely the type of person to know everybody......cute chatter box that she is. She may have grown up in Smallville, but her roots are in Metropolis......and she's been known to go back there, as well as know her way around. So "Pushing the Envelope"....yes.......But "Out of Nowhere"......definitely not.

[zanos]

Hmm, so knowing how to google and writing news reports on your computer makes you a super hacker? I would never have known.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by zanos
Hmm, so knowing how to google and writing news reports on your computer makes you a super hacker? I would never have known.
Geez.....either put some solid examples that disapprove or at least constructively argue what someone is saying, or please just at least omit the sarcasm. One shouldn't assume that because you write news reports & do Google searches on your computer....that is all your limited to. Go check out some the Smallville Shipper Videos online (hint....a Google search would probably work well here) if you don't believe me. The better the software.....probably, the better the video will be.....or at least more professional. I know I was impressed....especially knowing that most of these people are not in the movie industry.

Here are some examples of what I'm talking about with regards to little Miss Sullivan:

Onyx: Chloe tells clark that she can access the hospitals security camera's but it will take some time. She proceeds to hack away for who knows how long......but it definitely wasn't a Google search that did the trick.

Blank: She sneaks into Summer Holt and accesses dvd videos and e-mails them to Lois at the torch.

Crisis: Chloe's with Clark & Lana at the Torch. Chloe's on the computer anyalyzing the sound pattern of the phone call that came from the future.

Hidden: After knocking out the villain, she tried to stop the missile launch....she couldn't do it, but she at least wasn't hesitant about it......she dove right in and tried.

Lockdown: Chloe and Clark are at the Daily Planet and Clark's complaining about why it's taking so long to get in......(because it's not a simple Google search you BDA....it's a complicated software program that's running.....see the screen Clarkie?). Oh my God....I know why Chloe's the brain, but more importantly, why do they make Clark so dense? Yet again, more reasons why Batman will "own" Superman in the future.

I could probably find more examples if I had the energy to go through my DVD's. And again, I'm not saying they're not pushing the envelope......just that there is still a basis for it. It Did Not Just Come Out of Thin Air!

[heavens_cry]

I believe it just because she has been hacking into things for years now she has to have some type of talent.. :P

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by heavens_cry
I believe it just because she has been hacking into things for years now she has to have some type of talent.. :P

I agree. However, the only thing that really bothers me to a great extent is when it becomes obviously formuliac and predictable.....I like it better when "Scooby Doo Chlark" is running on all 8 cylinders, and they are both bouncing ideas off each other. Ahh yes....the reporters who would also be Detectives. Pay attention to Chloe you BDA.....yes Clarkie......pay CLOSE ATTENTION....and you may in the future at least be almost able to keep up with the Greatest Detective of them all......(Greatest with the exception of maybe the great Sherlock Holmes....and even then maybe).......Hint......he lives in Gotham City and is very nocturnal.

[IVODARK]

Originally posted by CK&CK
I agree. However, the only thing that really bothers me to a great extent is when it becomes obviously formuliac and predictable.....I like it better when "Scooby Doo Chlark" is running on all 8 cylinders, and they are both bouncing ideas off each other. Ahh yes....the reporters who would also be Detectives. Pay attention to Chloe you BDA.....yes Clarkie......pay CLOSE ATTENTION....and you may in the future at least be almost able to keep up with the Greatest Detective of them all......(well, except maybe the great Sherlock Holmes....maybe).......Hint......he lives in Gotham City.

Now that you mentioned the Bat-Person, you got me thinking (which doesn't happen very often...and hurts, ahh). I have decided that Chloe will become Batgirl. She only needs to get some kung-fu training from Lana-fu and move to Gothan City (which is only a three hour drive away from Metropolis, so we'll still be seeing her every episode). At some point, she will get shot by The Joker and be bound to use a wheelchair for the rest of her life as... Oracle in the Birds of Prey (she has all the hacking abilities). And she gets to have a thing with Nightwing, the hottest vigilante ever to weat tights!

[Octavio]

How about Chloe Daily Planet Screensaver?

:rotfl:

[attitudejc]

do they have those yet...? that would be kewl.