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donellacandra

04-20-2006, 09:32 PM

in all honesty, i really really dislike lana, but after she said "you kissed me" and lex answered "and then you kissed me" (or whatever the exact dialogue was) then she said something to the effect of "after all the talk about us wanting to be friends and not ruin what we have... we sure don't listen very well do we?" as much as i don't like her, she did take part of the blame in the dialogue... you just can't pick and chose, you have to listen to all of it... let's be fair, there is enough to criticize about her without twisting words.

watcher4

04-20-2006, 09:34 PM

Why does Lana Play the Victim?

Because the writers write her character that way!:eek:

myankskent

04-20-2006, 09:35 PM

Lana plays the victim because she has needed Clark to save her about once an episode.

MBCorp

04-20-2006, 09:36 PM

I was surprised by how little she was in this episode. Is Kristin doing a movie or something?

myankskent

04-20-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
I was surprised by how little she was in this episode. Is Kristin doing a movie or something?

She wasn't in this episode for very long because the writers want to drag out the lexana storyline, so they will probably give us small scenes without any real significant development in their relationship. It's a clever way to drag something out without having to show a lot of progression.

LastFatherOfKrypton

04-20-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Rafael122
"You kissed me."

Yeah, and then you sucked his face like it was a piece of salmon. Come on...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

SmallvilleMan

04-20-2006, 09:41 PM

At this point, the writers could have Lana say anything or do anything. It's annoying, I'm not getting why Lana says half the things she does anymore.

caradoc

04-20-2006, 09:49 PM

How sick are we hearing of the "I'm backing out because I don't want to lose our friendship" line?

How sick are we of hearing "If you really care about me, you'd..."?

How sick are we of Lana's self-pity.

IVODARK

04-20-2006, 09:50 PM

Let's face it, Lana is amazing!

In a pink world, that is....

sstray72

04-20-2006, 10:17 PM

You know what? If Lana is in every episode for less than 5 minutes, I won't be complaining AT ALL.

angelfire east

04-20-2006, 10:19 PM

I know! She's always trying to be the victim. I think after Lex shot back "and you kissed me" she turned to "we" becuase she knew Lex wasn't letting her off the hook and on to the "poor Lana she's such a a victum" wagon.

xrayvision

04-20-2006, 10:31 PM

Lex should have said:

"You are the shark of the pink seas in which I was swimming".

Bobbythe2nd

04-20-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Rafael122
"You kissed me."

Yeah, and then you sucked his face like it was a piece of salmon. Come on...

LoL!

Thats exactly what I was thinking.

You know, I actually feel sorry for lana...well actually for Kristen, the writers write her so BAD! And this is coming from a clana fan.

: (

The Tommy

04-20-2006, 11:18 PM

Does anybody here watch the OC? Because I hate Lana almost as much as I hate Marissa... why do good shows always have annoying female leads that suck life out of little babies...

shuyin131

04-21-2006, 12:37 AM

I'm just disgusted by what the writers did to Lana. She was pretty awesome in S4 when she was evil and you never knew what came next, but we went back to weak Lana, crying from person to person because she couldnt deal w/ her problems.

edit*

I know a moderator is reading this. Before you go and delete people's threads, just know that people take time to write them, so at least close the thread and allow it to move down the list out of sight........jerks.

JorEl23

04-21-2006, 06:42 AM

All I gotta say to the Lexana shippers that went on and on and on about "chemistry", "more passionate than Clana ever was", YADA is: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

margroks

04-21-2006, 08:58 AM

Lana always plays the victim because it's one of the best ways she has to manipulate those around her. "You do this to me," is classic. ANd Lexana is just eeewww. Not to mention a pathetic reason to have Clark and Lex no longer be friends. ANd it makes all Lex's previous offers to help Clark win Lana hollow lies.

djpnutz

04-21-2006, 09:44 AM

I've disliked Lana ever since Reckoning... I was always a Clana fan too... but her decisions showed her true colors... Lexana sucks as well... Now I'm just a Superman fan. heh

angelfire east

04-21-2006, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by margroks
Lana always plays the victim because it's one of the best ways she has to manipulate those around her. "You do this to me," is classic. ANd Lexana is just eeewww. Not to mention a pathetic reason to have Clark and Lex no longer be friends.

I agree

Originally posted by margroks
ANd it makes all Lex's previous offers to help Clark win Lana hollow lies.

but I don't agree with this, up intill season 3 (sometime in seaosn 3) I think Lex's offers of help to Clark regruanding Lana were real and heart felt. He couldn't give him the truck but maybe the girl, then later he just wanted to see both his friend happy because he cared about him.

MissLane

04-21-2006, 11:07 AM

Because LANA LANG is not LOIS LANE!!! or CHLOE SULLIVAN!
she is always the victim of the situation!!..

mobiusklein

04-21-2006, 11:12 AM

I don't think that it means Lex's attempts to help Clark win Lana false but it does mean that he figures, "Eh, you broke up with her and you broke up with me . . . You can't squeal like pig about it now."

That said Lana is probably thinking of hooking her claws into Lex but is doing her usual MO of trying to shuff it all off on him.

RamonaE

04-21-2006, 11:18 AM

I'm looking forward to their relationship deepening. I think it will do her good and help her grow up a little.

margroks

04-21-2006, 12:05 PM

I think they can be nasty and manipulative together.

Spoon AZ

04-21-2006, 12:17 PM

I'd love to see an arc of Lana being sort of like an evil female Lex.

She'll be redeemed obviously, so it doesn't completely shirk Superman mythology.

But it would give her something interesting to do, it would allow the writers to actually embrace the fan/critic hatred towards the character, and I think she's more interesting as an actress/character when shes evil (Spell, Isobel) than when she is a mopey Krypto-Krack head.

jason127

04-21-2006, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by donellacandra
in all honesty, i really really dislike lana, but after she said "you kissed me" and lex answered "and then you kissed me" (or whatever the exact dialogue was) then she said something to the effect of "after all the talk about us wanting to be friends and not ruin what we have... we sure don't listen very well do we?" as much as i don't like her, she did take part of the blame in the dialogue... you just can't pick and chose, you have to listen to all of it... let's be fair, there is enough to criticize about her without twisting words.

exactly i agree with you 100% i dont dislike lana but i dont like her at the same time so i guess i would be in the middle. But you bashers are just picking out lines and not listening to the whole conversation.

jwoodie

04-21-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by jason127
...But you bashers are just picking out lines and not listening to the whole conversation.

This the bread-and-butter technique of a lana basher. It just betrays a natural bias against here whenever it's utilized, but it happens a lot.

jason127

04-21-2006, 03:35 PM

all im saying is that it seems to me that people arent looking at the whole conversation. They just look at a couple of lines and get mad.

jwoodie

04-21-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by jason127
all im saying is that it seems to me that people arent looking at the whole conversation. They just look at a couple of lines and get mad.

I'm agreeing with you, it bugs me. But it happens all the time.

k18

04-21-2006, 03:42 PM

you can never get away from lana bashing. Even if she is in the show for five minutes, people will find a way to bash her. This is not new, but it is pathetic, IMO.

myankskent

04-21-2006, 03:46 PM

Funny thing is, everyone bashes Lana with what she is doing with Lex, but what about Martha? Why did Clark have to tell Martha to stay away from Lionel because he knows his secret? Why doesn't Martha realize that Lionel is a bad ass and that she should stay away? Of course, Clark gets the words out to Martha and not to Lana. But I don't see the difference in both scenarios. People believe that Clark doesn't have to tell Lana anything and she deserves what she gets with Lex, but the writers made it clear that Clark had to tell Martha to be careful around Lionel. Unbelievable.

And if this belongs in a new thread, then the mods can take care of that. I just wanted to make a point about both scenarios.

jwoodie

04-21-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Funny thing is, everyone bashes Lana with what she is doing with Lex, but what about Martha? Why did Clark have to tell Martha to stay away from Lionel because he knows his secret? Why doesn't Martha realize that Lionel is a bad ass and that she should stay away? Of course, Clark gets the words out to Martha and not to Lana. But I don't see the difference in both scenarios. People believe that Clark doesn't have to tell Lana anything and she deserves what she gets with Lex, but the writers made it clear that Clark had to tell Martha to be careful around Lionel. Unbelievable.

And if this belongs in a new thread, then the mods can take care of that. I just wanted to make a point about both scenarios.

No, great point. Martha has been leaning on Lionel a lot since Jonathan's death when she should be leaning on her son. But Lionel, master manipulator that he is, has done a fine job of working his way into that position of confidante, so I guess he gets props for that. I'm undecided as to whether he knew that gun wasn't loaded (or even orchestrated the whole thing, which seems unlikely) simply to further his own case with Martha, but he's a master at what he does, no doubt about that. And Martha needs to be better at knowing when she's getting played.

aqua

04-21-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by k18
you can never get away from lana bashing. Even if she is in the show for five minutes, people will find a way to bash her. This is not new, but it is pathetic, IMO.

Come on, pathetic? I think it's hard not to notice how the writers seem not to put a lot of effort into writing her character. She has no spine, doesn't care about anyone but herself, and is selfish, and that's just the first thoughts that come into mind.

I couldn't believe that Lana could even say "You kissed me." Umm, didn't you tun around and jump him? Give. Me. A. Break.

myankskent

04-21-2006, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by aqua
She has no spine, doesn't care about anyone but herself, and is selfish

I know that you hate Lana, but don't use the same point twice. If she doesn't care about anyone but herself, that means she is selfish.

TheRealClarkKent

04-21-2006, 04:31 PM

I like Lexana. Am I crazy? Takes the Clark/Lex level of hate to a different level. Maybe a dumb level that should only belong in a soap opera, but still c'mon guys you still gotta be interested. I mean holy crap, Superman's girlfriend is sleeping with his arch nemesis!!!

*Clark goes to the Luthor Mansion to confront Lex*

Clark: Lex, stop dancing around, tell me the truth.
Lex: Clark...me and Lana, it's true, i'm sorry
Clark: ...What? You? Lana? But---
Lex: ---and I already slept with her.
Clark: WHAT??? Lex you son of a---
Lex: ---Clark, it's not your fault, let's just be friends.
Clark: I'll show you friends Lex.

*Lex's security guard hears a sound and bursts into the library only to find a pile of ash where Lex was standing*

Clark: Clean up, Aisle 7!!!

aqua

04-21-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
I know that you hate Lana, but don't use the same point twice. If she doesn't care about anyone but herself, that means she is selfish.

Oops, sorry. But instead of pointing that out to me, why not try to show me why Lana isn't any of those things? Because I could easily replace selfish with pathetically dependent, morbid, defensive, and a bad friend.

Rafael122

04-21-2006, 04:40 PM

I'm not a Lana hater. I've said it for months now that her character is just awful this season. For months, we've said that Clark has never moved on or has never become a man. Now he's doing that, and it seems like Lana's character is still in neutral. Lana's character now is the same character it was in Season 1. Nothing has changed.

So to say "you kissed me" just sent a cringe down my spine because Lana was all over Lex like a kid on cotton candy. The feeling is mutual, so why Lana would pull the "you did it first" card is beyond awful.

myankskent

04-21-2006, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by aqua
Oops, sorry. But instead of pointing that out to me, why not try to show me why Lana isn't any of those things? Because I could easily replace selfish with pathetically dependent, morbid, defensive, and a bad friend.

Selfish isn't the right word. Selfish means that if someone was in trouble, she'd leave them and only take care of herself, and that's not the case. Insecure is better. Ever since her parents died, she has been afraid of rejection. So when it comes to relationships, she wants it all, she wants the truth. She can clearly survive on her own, season 3 and Lana going to Paris proved that. This Lex thing makes her look really bad though. I don't know what to say about that until I see how it goes down.

Originally posted by Rafael122
I'm not a Lana hater. I've said it for months now that her character is just awful this season. For months, we've said that Clark has never moved on or has never become a man. Now he's doing that, and it seems like Lana's character is still in neutral. Lana's character now is the same character it was in Season 1. Nothing has changed.

So to say "you kissed me" just sent a cringe down my spine because Lana was all over Lex like a kid on cotton candy. The feeling is mutual, so why Lana would pull the "you did it first" card is beyond awful.

Yeah but every character on this show is still in neutral and is the same since season 1. Clark still lies to the people he loves and he is not embracing his destiny, Chloe is still a search engine for Clark and nothing else...The only one who has really changed is Lex. He has progressed more and more toward the dark side over the years.

Rafael122

04-21-2006, 04:47 PM

The Chloe you see now is not the same Chloe you saw in Season 1. She's matured, as has Clark who isn't the "soppy, puppy eye" guy he was in previous seasons. He doesn't seem to have that fascination for Lana that he once had. Lana's character potrayal is that of a college student with a 15 year old mentality.

You're a guy, if she tells her friends that you kissed her and she leaves the part out about where she kissed you back, wouldn't you be pissed? That's my whole problem. She makes Lex out to be some sort of sexual predator even though they both kissed.

myankskent

04-21-2006, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Rafael122
The Chloe you see now is not the same Chloe you saw in Season 1. She's matured, as has Clark who isn't the "soppy, puppy eye" guy he was in previous seasons. He doesn't seem to have that fascination for Lana that he once had. Lana's character potrayal is that of a college student with a 15 year old mentality.

You're a guy, if she tells her friends that you kissed her and she leaves the part out about where she kissed you back, wouldn't you be pissed? That's my whole problem. She makes Lex out to be some sort of sexual predator even though they both kissed.

Yeah, but Lex corrected her and she never disagreed. She said that he kissed her because he made the first move. And Lana hasn't told any of her friends that Lex kissed her, he said that to Lex. I don't view that as a big deal. If the situation that you suggested above happened when she told her friends that, then different story.

And Lana has changed as well. Back in season 1, she was hopeless. She never took action if she was attacked, she was a whimp. She also took everything that Clark lied to her about and let it go. Now she's not doing so. Remember Lockdown when she talked to Clark in her room? She wanted to have sex and Clark turned it around on her. She said something like, "nice deflection, but I don't fall for that anymore." To me, Lana represents a typical teen girl going through the trials and tribulations of dating guys and dealing with college. She's not perfect, she's certainly flawed, but she is young and she should be flawed. No girl at that age isn't confused about things, or at least most girls are. She's being jerked around by Clark and as a result, she's making some bad choices. What do you expect her to handle everything perfectly? How would that be realistic?

jwoodie

04-21-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by Rafael122
The Chloe you see now is not the same Chloe you saw in Season 1. She's matured, as has Clark who isn't the "soppy, puppy eye" guy he was in previous seasons. He doesn't seem to have that fascination for Lana that he once had. Lana's character potrayal is that of a college student with a 15 year old mentality.

You're a guy, if she tells her friends that you kissed her and she leaves the part out about where she kissed you back, wouldn't you be pissed? That's my whole problem. She makes Lex out to be some sort of sexual predator even though they both kissed.

Clearly, Lana is a very confused young lady right now. The way the kiss went down made that perfectly clear, but even with a full week to mull it over, she's still really struggling with how she feels about what happened, how she feels about Lex, etc. I think that is a good thing, actually. I mean, it's just one more loop-da-loop in her emotional roller coaster lately, but at least she's taking the time to try and figure it out and not just jumping into his arms. She's always had the maturity to not let her emotions rule her, and she's clearly struggling with this but she's not just going to set all of her better judgement aside and go headlong for Lex. That's a good thing, both for her character and for the show.

Her problem right now is that all of this is happening right now and she has no "rock" to hold on to. She's lost Clark and her most important confidante over the past season is the person she's most confused about. She's obviously not talking to Chloe about anything, so who does she go to to work this out? No one, so it'll just take her some time to work it out for herself. There's nothing wrong with that, and at least she has the sense to question and examine her own emotions to make some sense of things before entering into anything serious. I don't think that will last very long but I think it was a good thing that she kept him at arm's length for at least this long after acting impulsively in "Fragile".

myankskent

04-21-2006, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by jwoodie
Clearly, Lana is a very confused young lady right now. The way the kiss went down made that perfectly clear, but even with a full week to mull it over, she's still really struggling with how she feels about what happened, how she feels about Lex, etc. I think that is a good thing, actually. I mean, it's just one more loop-da-loop in her emotional roller coaster lately, but at least she's taking the time to try and figure it out and not just jumping into his arms. She's always had the maturity to not let her emotions rule her, and she's clearly struggling with this but she's not just going to set all of her better judgement aside and go headlong for Lex. That's a good thing, both for her character and for the show.

Her problem right now is that all of this is happening right now and she has no "rock" to hold on to. She's lost Clark and her most important confidante over the past season is the person she's most confused about. She's obviously not talking to Chloe about anything, so who does she go to to work this out? No one, so it'll just take her some time to work it out for herself. There's nothing wrong with that, and at least she has the sense to question and examine her own emotions to make some sense of things before entering into anything serious. I don't think that will last very long but I think it was a good thing that she kept him at arm's length for at least this long after acting impulsively in "Fragile".

I agree with this.

RamonaE

04-21-2006, 11:13 PM

Come on give Lana a break. She was just talking. She was just trying to approach the situation with Lex and open it up for discussion.

Lex did kiss her first. I doubt she would have made a move on him if he hadn't made one first.

xrayvision

04-21-2006, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by jwoodie
She's always had the maturity to not let her emotions rule her, and she's clearly struggling with this but she's not just going to set all of her better judgement aside and go headlong for Lex.

This is the only thing I don't agree with in your post. There's no question that lately, Lana was ruled by her emotions, otherwise she wouldn't have been taking drugs that temporarily killed her so she can talk to her parents. That is definitely not along the lines of logical thinking. Neither was complaining about abandonment issues back in season 2 when Nell was going to take her to Metropolis. Yeah, I know it would suck for her since she wouldn't see her friends anymore, but very few if any real-world people would have left their guardian like she did. Another example is what Lex told her at the end of Hidden and how she was in denial just so she could be with Clark.

I don't want to talk about the past anymore, since it's clear at times she was being ruled by emotions. But I do like how they portrayed her in Mercy (being logical and starting to be independent). She has had a lot of crap thrown her way as has Clark, and the greatest victory for her is to emerge independent, with goals (career) and a strong sense of logic and who is good & who isn't.

jwoodie

04-21-2006, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
This is the only thing I don't agree with in your post. There's no question that lately, Lana was ruled by her emotions, otherwise she wouldn't have been taking drugs that temporarily killed her so she can talk to her parents. That is definitely not along the lines of logical thinking. Neither was complaining about abandonment issues back in season 2 when Nell was going to take her to Metropolis. Yeah, I know it would suck for her since she wouldn't see her friends anymore, but very few if any real-world people would have left their guardian like she did. Another example is what Lex told her at the end of Hidden and how she was in denial just so she could be with Clark.

I don't want to talk about the past anymore, since it's clear at times she was being ruled by emotions. But I do like how they portrayed her in Mercy (being logical and starting to be independent). She has had a lot of crap thrown her way as has Clark, and the greatest victory for her is to emerge independent, with goals (career) and a strong sense of logic and who is good & who isn't.

You're right. I said always but this season, she has definitely had moments where she's put her better judgement on hold and acted solely out of emotions. I've said before that both Clark and Lana have gone backwards in their emotional maturity this season - maybe the sex made them stupider? I don't know. But it's definitely there. *For the most part* she's usually had the maturity in the past to not let her emotions rule her decision-making, and to keep emotional issues at arm's length when it was it was the more mature decision to make. For the most part - that's why I like her character so much - name another show with strong teen-aged female leads that *aren't* totally ruled by their emotions? Not too many.

tjpw fanatic

04-22-2006, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
She's so annoying. But whatever, Lex better be using her.

:lol: i agree

Watching Smallville

04-22-2006, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by jwoodie
You're right. I said always but this season, she has definitely had moments where she's put her better judgement on hold and acted solely out of emotions. I've said before that both Clark and Lana have gone backwards in their emotional maturity this season - maybe the sex made them stupider? I don't know. But it's definitely there. *For the most part* she's usually had the maturity in the past to not let her emotions rule her decision-making, and to keep emotional issues at arm's length when it was it was the more mature decision to make. For the most part - that's why I like her character so much - name another show with strong teen-aged female leads that *aren't* totally ruled by their emotions? Not too many.
I'm not sure whether it's maturity that guides Lana's decisions, or distrust. She has such a need for total honesty, when she doesn't get it, she doesn't trust. And this is what keeps her at arm's length from people, not maturity. Maturity would tell her that people aren't going to share everything about themselves with someone else, under any circumstance. Sometimes you just have to let things go.

What always left an impression on me was when Lana told Clark he would someday find out that she wasn't as good or as strong as he thought she was. She said that a long time ago -- I think in Season 2. So I think this is her struggle. She wants to be that good, strong person, but sometimes that isn't the way she feels. Like when she asked Lex to get rid of Adam. When she didn't tell Clark about Genevieve. I'm not bashing her or even faulting her for that. I'm just saying, she recognizes herself that she isn't a goody two shoes.

So I think her struggle with Lex -- being attracted to him, being wary of him -- is like the internal struggle with herself.

jwoodie

04-22-2006, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I'm not sure whether it's maturity that guides Lana's decisions, or distrust. She has such a need for total honesty, when she doesn't get it, she doesn't trust. And this is what keeps her at arm's length from people, not maturity. Maturity would tell her that people aren't going to share everything about themselves with someone else, under any circumstance. Sometimes you just have to let things go.

What always left an impression on me was when Lana told Clark he would someday find out that she wasn't as good or as strong as he thought she was. She said that a long time ago -- I think in Season 2. So I think this is her struggle. She wants to be that good, strong person, but sometimes that isn't the way she feels. Like when she asked Lex to get rid of Adam. When she didn't tell Clark about Genevieve. I'm not bashing her or even faulting her for that. I'm just saying, she recognizes herself that she isn't a goody two shoes.

So I think her struggle with Lex -- being attracted to him, being wary of him -- is like the internal struggle with herself.

Once again I agree. Lana gets a lot of flak, but here she clearly knows that she's struggling with this new development and she's smart/mature/whatever enough to keep Lex at arms' length for a little while, just until she's worked out whether she can trust him, whether this is a good idea, just how she feels about him, all of that. If she was the floozy that some people make her out to be, or the dimwit that other people make her out to be, or whatever their personal bias is, she might have jumped into this too quickly, but she hasn't done that.