Chloe lying

[myankskent]

Can someone please tell me why Chloe never went to Lana directly and decided to threaten Lex for a second time this season, first was in mortal. What was she looking to accomplish by going to Lex given the fact that she knows how bad he really is. Plus, why lie to Clark at the end? She seemed very annoyed with the fact that Clark always talks about Lana. Can't say I blame Chloe for this, but if she is so concerned with Lana, she should've told Clark, otherwise she should've kept her mouth shut and not even go to Lex in the first place.

[xrayvision]

I think she like all of us is sick of being caught in the middle of such a disaster.

I hope this episode got very low ratings. It was a total disgrace how they have so few episodes left and they just wasted one. The last 2 episodes at least moved some of the storylines forward, but this was just a waste and something that has been done before.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I think she like all of us is sick of being caught in the middle of such a disaster.

I hope this episode got very low ratings. It was a total disgrace how they have so few episodes left and they just wasted one. The last 2 episodes at least moved some of the storylines forward, but this was just a waste and something that has been done before.

Disappointing that there was no lionel in this episode. Can't wait until next week, this episode was just filler.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by myankskent
Can someone please tell me why Chloe never went to Lana directly and decided to threaten Lex for a second time this season, first was in mortal. What was she looking to accomplish by going to Lex given the fact that she knows how bad he really is. Plus, why lie to Clark at the end? She seemed very annoyed with the fact that Clark always talks about Lana. Can't say I blame Chloe for this, but if she is so concerned with Lana, she should've told Clark, otherwise she should've kept her mouth shut and not even go to Lex in the first place.

I'm not sure why Chloe didn't go to Lana about Lex to begin with... I haven't figured that one out, yet. However, with her lying about Clark, I would probably have done the same thing. I really wouldn't want to be the person to tell Clark that Lana is hooking up with his former best friend! :\ Besides, I think she's tired of being Clark's informant in the Lana arena.

[supergurl88]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
I'm not sure why Chloe didn't go to Lana about Lex to begin with... I haven't figured that one out, yet. However, with her lying about Clark, I would probably have done the same thing. I really wouldn't want to be the person to tell Clark that Lana is hooking up with his former best friend! :\ Besides, I think she's tired of being Clark's informant in the Lana arena.

i totally agree....i think chloe is finally shuting her mouth up about lana's business but i thought it was rude how she replied back to clark.

[LastingChlarker]

If I was Chloe, I would have been annoyed that Clark constantly talks about Lana a long time ago. So I can't fault her for saying something about it...finally!

As for her not telling him about Lana and Lex...well I get the feeling that Chloe, after being snapped at by Lana, just doesn't want to be in the middle.

and as it's been said before, if Clark and Lana are completely over, as it's been said, then why would Chloe think it's a good idea to tell Clark his ex-girlfriend is hooking up with his ex-friend? In real life, that just makes Chloe sensitive to the fact that Lana's personal life is probably not Clark's business...or something that Clark would be happy to know. I remember in one of the earlier seasons when Lana had some love interest during an episode and Clark had pointedly told Chloe he doesn't want to hear the gossip about Lana's personal life because it's none of his business who she chooses to date. I see this as being a similar thing...

[Mitternacht]

I'm not sure she even did lie. Lex told her nothing was going on. Lana told her the same. While she may not believe them I think she's giving Lana the benefit of the doubt and believing her, therefore there's nothing to tell when Clark asks. He already knows that Lex and Lana are friends and are looking into the ship and events surrounding it. And as far as Chloe knows nothing else is going on.

[LastingChlarker]

Originally posted by Mitternacht
I'm not sure she even did lie. Lex told her nothing was going on. Lana told her the same. While she may not believe them I think she's giving Lana the benefit of the doubt and believing her, therefore there's nothing to tell when Clark asks. He already knows that Lex and Lana are friends and are looking into the ship and events surrounding it. And as far as Chloe knows nothing else is going on.

Very true.

I personally don't consider this as her lying either. She's going by what she was told, even though in the back of her mind she may not believe either Lex or Lana, she doesn't have anything other than their word. So, technically, she's got nothing to tell Clark.

[chlarklove]

she should've told Clark

And then everyone would be screaming BETRAYAL!!!!11oneELEVEN!! against Lana for Chloe telling Clark. She's stuck in the middle between Clark and Lana and she's not saying anything, especially since Lana got pissy with her and told her to not start her "rumor mill."

Basically Chloe's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

[charmedchick]

Maybe chloe just didnt want anything to do with all the crazyness anymore... I wouldnt blame her. I feel really bad for chloe in this episode.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastingChlarker


and as it's been said before, if Clark and Lana are completely over, as it's been said, then why would Chloe think it's a good idea to tell Clark his ex-girlfriend is hooking up with his ex-friend? In real life, that just makes Chloe sensitive to the fact that Lana's personal life is probably not Clark's business...or something that Clark would be happy to know. I remember in one of the earlier seasons when Lana had some love interest during an episode and Clark had pointedly told Chloe he doesn't want to hear the gossip about Lana's personal life because it's none of his business who she chooses to date. I see this as being a similar thing...

As do I... and I hope Clark gets that, too.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Here are my own observations (which can be looked at in different ways) of Chloe's apparent lying:

In going to Lex, she opened up the door to Lex's refutes and inuendos....

Lex "convicted her conscious" (as reflected briefly in her expression) on her lack of a boyfriend and why he could see why, she has not had any serious involvments herself.

This clearly bothered Chloe throughout the course of the day, this time, unlike Lex's "third wheel" retort in 'Mortal'!

Knowing Chloe has this "Hero worship thing with the guy" as noted by Lois, we now find when asked by Clark if Lana found anyone yet, Chloe calls him on it this time!
No doubt bothered/unsettled by both Lana's confrontation in response to Lex's concern and Lex's comments himself.

Bottom line: Chloe did not really lie....seeing she precipitated rebukes from Lana and Lex as to her own misperceptions of "intimacy" she may have witnessed which in fact there was actually nothing there.

However, Chloe may have some minute care for Lex after saving his life in 'Void'----Chlex??

OR

Chloe could be bothered for lack of boyfriend when asked by the one she loves secretly (Clark) who never returns her affection.

[FiveForFighting09]

i think that like Chloe said in the episode she did not want to be in the middle of a very odd triangle--recatngle thing going on between all three of them and i don't blame for i myself have been in the middle of something like that and personally it is something i would not like to do again..

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

True!

No one should get involved in triangles, quadrangles, etc... to lie about what they may witness of the parties involved.

Clark clearly has not moved on to let Lana live her life from him to ask Chloe what's going on.

Another example of Clark's insensitivity to Chloe.....as usual!:mad:

[BadToad]

I don't really have a problem with Chloe not telling Clark. But I'm not quite sure why she went directly to Lex to threaten him instead of just sitting Lana down and hitting her with the knowledge of Lex's misdeeds. It may not have done any good (in fact, I don't think it would...Lana is effed up in the head), but at least Chloe could know she did her best, and then just wash her hands of the whole thing.

Good Chlex scene though.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by BadToad
I don't really have a problem with Chloe not telling Clark. But I'm not quite sure why she went directly to Lex to threaten him instead of just sitting Lana down and hitting her with the knowledge of Lex's misdeeds. It may not have done any good (in fact, I don't think it would...Lana is effed up in the head), but at least Chloe could know she did her best, and then just wash her hands of the whole thing.

Good Chlex scene though.


Or Chloe's actions in relating to Lex could be a pre-cursor to future and tragic dealings with him as the writers tend to do that lately.

[BadToad]

Or Chloe's actions in relating to Lex could be a pre-cursor to future and tragic dealings with him as the writers tend to do that lately.

Maybe, but thats contrived writing. You have characters act foolishly, or stupidly, just so you achieve an end result. Thats not good, organic writing. You have to find a way to come to your end result while still maintaining your charactes integrity. SV is consistently bad at this.

[superspider02]

she probly does not want to get in the middle of the lana and clark stuff any more and she is not totally sure if anything is really going on between the two and does not want to get clark angered up and he does something stupid.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by BadToad
Maybe, but thats contrived writing. You have characters act foolishly, or stupidly, just so you achieve an end result. Thats not good, organic writing. You have to find a way to come to your end result while still maintaining your charactes integrity. SV is consistently bad at this.


Yes how true that may be and yet we still watch to see some semblance of any redeeming scene(s) out of an entire episode.

[savingpeoplething]

My initial viewing of the episode caused me to be mad at Chloe when she didn't tell Clark. I felt like their whole friendship has been about trust (ESPECIALLY lately) and I hated to see her drop the ball on that.
But, after having read all of your posts, I feel a little bit better about it :)
I think it's about time Chloe got out of the middle. I do, however, feel like she will confess to Clark what she knows in good time. I'm in agreement that she was probably still reeling over those two AWFUL conversations she had with Lex and Lana (the two biggest hypocrites of the episode, blah).
Personally, I know how it is to say my opinion to someone (even if they didn't want to hear it) out of concern for them and getting butchered for it. Sometimes, the best friends are the ones that tell you what you need to hear even if you don't want to hear it. It's better to be concerned about the friend than the friendship :)
If Chloe loses Lana as a friend, I say that's for the best. It probably should've happened a LONG time ago...

[Kryptonian Snake]

Chloe didn't go to Lana because she figured Lana avoid the issue, just like she did last week. Even if she had, Lana would have still gotten defensive if Chloe hinted at a romance with Lex.

Also, it doesnt' really bother me that Chloe didn't tell Clark. It isn't Chloe's job to inform Clark who Lana dates, where she goes, what she wears, etc. If Clark wants to know something about Lana, he should go to her directly.

[photogirl]

I think that being in the middle of this whole love triangle must really get to her. She's never had a serious relationship (which lex just had to rub in her face) and she is in the middle of a love triangle which the guy she's in love with is part of. She's trying to watch out for Lana and she doesn't want to be telling Clark what Lana is doing. She's right. If Clark wants to know how Lana is than he should ASK her himself!! Clark is kind of putting Chloe in the middle, and of course he's ignoring her in the girlfriend aspect. She must want to just walk away, but this whole episode you could just tell she was really stressed about what was going on and felt like she was responsible to stop it...I don't know why..

She also doesn't want to lose Clark's friendship (obviously) but she wants to remain friends with Lana AND look out for her in her relationship with Lex...that CANNOT be easy. I probably wouldn't have told Clark either!! If he wants to know who Lana's dating then he should ask her!!

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
My initial viewing of the episode caused me to be mad at Chloe when she didn't tell Clark. I felt like their whole friendship has been about trust (ESPECIALLY lately) and I hated to see her drop the ball on that.
But, after having read all of your posts, I feel a little bit better about it :)
I think it's about time Chloe got out of the middle. I do, however, feel like she will confess to Clark what she knows in good time. I'm in agreement that she was probably still reeling over those two AWFUL conversations she had with Lex and Lana (the two biggest hypocrites of the episode, blah).
Personally, I know how it is to say my opinion to someone (even if they didn't want to hear it) out of concern for them and getting butchered for it. Sometimes, the best friends are the ones that tell you what you need to hear even if you don't want to hear it. It's better to be concerned about the friend than the friendship :)
If Chloe loses Lana as a friend, I say that's for the best. It probably should've happened a LONG time ago...


All that you say will happen as we see it happening over the next few episodes!

[cmm]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe didn't go to Lana because she figured Lana avoid the issue, just like she did last week. Even if she had, Lana would have still gotten defensive if Chloe hinted at a romance with Lex.

Also, it doesnt' really bother me that Chloe didn't tell Clark. It isn't Chloe's job to inform Clark who Lana dates, where she goes, what she wears, etc. If Clark wants to know something about Lana, he should go to her directly.

THank god you said it. I was thinking it all along how many times have people said to lana lex isnt' who you think he is and she basically tells them no lex wouldn't do that. People tell her all the time and she never listens. If i was chloe after lana went off on her i'd of said fine your on your own. When he breaks your heart don't come crying to me.

TPTB really need to start writing the character better cause she's stupidly naive when it comes to lex but has everyone elses number which imo doesn't make sense.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by photogirl
I think that being in the middle of this whole love triangle must really get to her. She's never had a serious relationship (which lex just had to rub in her face) and she is in the middle of a love triangle which the guy she's in love with is part of. She's trying to watch out for Lana and she doesn't want to be telling Clark what Lana is doing. She's right. If Clark wants to know how Lana is than he should ASK her himself!! Clark is kind of putting Chloe in the middle, and of course he's ignoring her in the girlfriend aspect. She must want to just walk away, but this whole episode you could just tell she was really stressed about what was going on and felt like she was responsible to stop it...I don't know why..

She also doesn't want to lose Clark's friendship (obviously) but she wants to remain friends with Lana AND look out for her in her relationship with Lex...that CANNOT be easy. I probably wouldn't have told Clark either!! If he wants to know who Lana's dating then he should ask her!!

A very valid, interesting point, photogirl... one that I hadn't thought of! I like it :)

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by photogirl
I think that being in the middle of this whole love triangle must really get to her. She's never had a serious relationship (which lex just had to rub in her face) and she is in the middle of a love triangle which the guy she's in love with is part of. She's trying to watch out for Lana and she doesn't want to be telling Clark what Lana is doing. She's right. If Clark wants to know how Lana is than he should ASK her himself!! Clark is kind of putting Chloe in the middle, and of course he's ignoring her in the girlfriend aspect. She must want to just walk away, but this whole episode you could just tell she was really stressed about what was going on and felt like she was responsible to stop it...I don't know why..

She also doesn't want to lose Clark's friendship (obviously) but she wants to remain friends with Lana AND look out for her in her relationship with Lex...that CANNOT be easy. I probably wouldn't have told Clark either!! If he wants to know who Lana's dating then he should ask her!!


I like your assessement as very accurate and there are implications with Chloe that go with it.

Remember the episode 'Tomb' at the beginning we see Clark and Lois in the hospital speaking to Chloe's psychiatrist. He informs them that usually incidents that happen in Chloe's supposed state of mind are the result of.....

"sometimes a patient has a secret, that they don't want to share which could be the cause of her state of mind...I will discover it and treat it aggressively..."

Chloe if she is not careful could damage her psyche by continued repression instead of chancing speaking her mind to the truth of Lana and Lex to Clark and "let the chips fall where they may" sort to speak.

So far to date, Chloe has spoken up and no one has really accused her of an horrific offense in telling people where to get off if they offend.

She will and must speak her piece before this Soap Opera Love Triangle gets out of hand before her eyes.

[photogirl]

This whole thing proves that Chloe is a REALLY GOOD friend because only a really good friend would stick by people like Lana and Clark when they are being this ignorant and stupid!! Chloe is going to need to tell Clark or somebody what's going on because it is starting to become about her too and she has to get support from somebody!! She looked like Clark does sometimes when he has "The weight of the world on his shoulders"...

Oh, and Thanks, Clarksmuse...

[All about Clark]

I actually thought Chloe did the right thing by going to Lex, because as she says Lana's in an emotional rollercoaster or something to that effect. Meaning that she could try dealing with someone who would be more responsive and understanding than Lana would be while she is in emotional turmoil.

Photogirl, I hadn't thought of that, but yes, there would be that "weight of the world on her shoulders", because she knows and advises the one who does carry that weight.

And as far as Clark is concerned, I did think it was too early to let Clark in on it because it might not happen. And yes Chloe was a little distraught with her previous confrontations.

[photogirl]

It also can't be easy for her to have Clark's secret to keep especially with Lionel and Milton Fine to worry about! And in addition to that she feels responsible for Lana. Maybe she feels responsible for Lana because she knows how to deal with this whole depressed about Clark thing. She's been through the "Depressed over Clark" stage, and figures she can help Lana through it..

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by photogirl
It also can't be easy for her to have Clark's secret to keep especially with Lionel and Milton Fine to worry about! And in addition to that she feels responsible for Lana. Maybe she feels responsible for Lana because she knows how to deal with this whole depressed about Clark thing. She's been through the "Depressed over Clark" stage, and figures she can help Lana through it..


That is a good insightful assessement!

Chloe has had more than enough experience from all parties concerned just by the nature of her personality and profession in dealing with people. That makes her all the more valuable as friend and confidant.

[photogirl]

^^^^^^^^totally agreed and true!! She is a good friend and confidant..which is obvious since Clark trusts her completely and Clark doesn't trust too many people.....not even Lana!!!!

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by photogirl
This whole thing proves that Chloe is a REALLY GOOD friend because only a really good friend would stick by people like Lana and Clark when they are being this ignorant and stupid!! Chloe is going to need to tell Clark or somebody what's going on because it is starting to become about her too and she has to get support from somebody!! She looked like Clark does sometimes when he has "The weight of the world on his shoulders"...

Oh, and Thanks, Clarksmuse...

You're welcome! :) And in many ways, Chloe IS carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders. She knows many secrets that can potentially be the end of her... and that's not including knowing Clark's secret! She's an amazing character and friend!

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

I just hope she is "Supergirl" to carry and hold that much weight!

Remember what her psychiatrist said in the hospital to Clark and Lois about the stress of secrets in episode 'Tomb'??:(

[clarksmuse]

^^^ Oh, I haven't forgotten those ominous words from "Tomb". I just hope they don't actually come to pass!

[photogirl]

Maybe Tomb isn't as much a filler episode as we thought? It explored the whole thing with Chloe, and just that comment about secrets could mean a whole lot more than we thought. Let's just hope that Chloe finds someone to come clean to, who will help her...

[wb-superman]

I really want Clark just leave Lana alone because he will waste more time worried about her when He can't really tell her the truth. So I hoping Lex don't try to kill Chloe. Clark should be more worried and concern on Chloe. Please find love Clark on Chloe.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Yes all!

Chloe finding someone to love her would relieve the stress of secrets and lies in her life she must deal with.

But hopefully, being a reporter who must keep "Reporter/Sources Confidentialities" that is a part of her job would offset some of that stress.

But, is it the main stress about Clark and lying to him to protect his feelings for Lana's happiness with Lex???

Ugh! Nooooooo!!:(

Chloe should have never lied to Clark but tell the whole story instead of protecting his feelings......he is a grown man!

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton

But, is it the main stress about Clark and lying to him to protect his feelings for Lana's happiness with Lex???

Ugh! Nooooooo!!:(

Chloe should have never lied to Clark but tell the whole story instead of protecting his feelings......he is a grown man!

Yes, but by the same token, wouldn't Chloe's telling Clark her suspicions just keep her firmly planted in the middle of that roller coaster trainwreck of a relationship she mentioned in an earlier episode? I think it's time Clark start asking questions about Lana TO Lana IMHO. I don't think she's trying to protect his feelings, per se, because she did nearly snap his head off when he asked about Lana.... I mean she even went so far as to call Lana "the L-word", which I thought was hilarious! :lol: That might be her way of telling Clark to grow up.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

quote: Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton

But, is it the main stress about Clark and lying to him to protect his feelings for Lana's happiness with Lex??? Ugh! Nooooooo!! Chloe should have never lied to Clark but tell the whole story instead of protecting his feelings......he is a grown man!




[
Originally posted by clarksmuse
Yes, but by the same token, wouldn't Chloe's telling Clark her suspicions just keep her firmly planted in the middle of that roller coaster trainwreck of a relationship she mentioned in an earlier episode? I think it's time Clark start asking questions about Lana TO Lana IMHO. I don't think she's trying to protect his feelings, per se, because she did nearly snap his head off when he asked about Lana.... I mean she even went so far as to call Lana "the L-word", which I thought was hilarious! :lol: That might be her way of telling Clark to grow up.


:lol: :lol:

I love your statement "that roller coaster trainwreck of a relationship" the way you put it and yes, this all true......should have thought of this.

Which why Chloe as you say snap Clark's head off....she is clearly tired of the Bermuda "Triangle of Hell"!

"......but please DON'T make your personal little covert SPY!!!"

She is the best!!:D

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton

I love your statement [COLOR=red]"that roller coaster trainwreck of a relationship" the way you put it and yes, this all true......should have thought of this.

Which why Chloe as you say snap Clark's head off....she is clearly tired of the Bermuda "Triangle of Hell"!

"......but please DON'T make your personal little covert SPY!!!"

She is the best!!:D

the Bermuda "Triangle of Hell"... :rotfl: :rotfl: That's a great phrase! And perfect, in this case! :D Chloe is too good to be Clark's spy, and I think that's why she firmly set that boundary by knocking him down a notch or two... or three... ;)

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
the Bermuda "Triangle of Hell"... :rotfl: :rotfl: That's a great phrase! And perfect, in this case! :D Chloe is too good to be Clark's spy, and I think that's why she firmly set that boundary by knocking him down a notch or two... or three... ;)


Yes Chloe knocked Clark down a notch and then some as it was obvious she felt the strain and responded to Clark also with pent up emotion to the situation at hand.

Now we see a closeup shot of Clark's expression as Chloe finally turns to leave him thinking and wondering what she is going through or what is really happening there to her.

No! He is not that indepth to think any further of what is REALLY bugging Chloe! or IS he that smart??

Tune in to the next exciting episode or two....

[photogirl]

Do we really know if he went after her or not? I know we didn't see it, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We didn't see him walk away either. He probably didn't go after her, though. He is such a big dumb alien. He deserved what she said to him...

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by photogirl
Do we really know if he went after her or not? I know we didn't see it, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We didn't see him walk away either. He probably didn't go after her, though. He is such a big dumb alien. He deserved what she said to him...


Maybe Clark did go after Chloe but knowing moral Clark, he would not press Chloe any further for provoking her wrath. He has a pattern of letting Chloe walk out without any futher pursuit to get to the bottom of things!

Yes, Clark got what he deserved for asking again about Lana.

If I were Pete let's say and I observed that situation, I tell Clark:

Look man, if you breakup with Lana and tell Chloe in a previous episode "it's better that Lana get on with her life and forget about me"

Then follow through with it Clark! Severe your connection with Lana and move on to Chloe....she is right there for you.....always there when you need her!":mad:

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton

Then follow through with it Clark! Severe your connection with Lana and move on to Chloe....she is right there for you.....always there when you need her!":mad:

Wouldn't that just be one of the worst things to do to Chloe??

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton Then follow through with it Clark! Severe your connection with Lana and move on to Chloe....she is right there for you.....always there when you need her!"




Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
Wouldn't that just be one of the worst things to do to Chloe??


Judging by your avitar of Lois and Superman from the new movie....it would be the worst in your assessement.

But, who knows, it could work in a "mutual understanding" between Chloe and Clark? Shelwill never have to lie to Clark if they become a couple.

[LuckyKrypto]

True, I love Lois and Clark. But I love Chloe and would hate for her to be the rebound girl for Clark. They have such a good friendship, I would hate to see that messed up.

[photogirl]

I definitely don't want Chloe to be Clark's rebound girl and get hurt, but he does need to open his eyes and realize that she's the perfect girl for him.......she always sticks by him even when he is being such a BDA!!!

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
True, I love Lois and Clark. But I love Chloe and would hate for her to be the rebound girl for Clark. They have such a good friendship, I would hate to see that messed up.


Yes, there is a consensus, about Chloe and Clark's friendship....you, me and others.

But, to relieve Chloe's stress of lying and keeping this Lana/Lex secret has to have closure at some point before seasons end.

btw...Superman Returns is supposed to be according to Bryan Singer the producer, a date movie/love story!:p

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by photogirl
I definitely don't want Chloe to be Clark's rebound girl and get hurt, but he does need to open his eyes and realize that she's the perfect girl for him.......she always sticks by him even when he is being such a BDA!!!

I wish Clark would acknowledge her a bit more. It bothers me at times how much she does for him and he doesn't seem to appreciate her. But, maybe it's there and I just don't see it??


btw...Superman Returns is supposed to be according to Bryan Singer the producer, a date movie/love story! Well it better be good then!:D

[photogirl]

Originally posted by luckykrypto:
[I wish Clark would acknowledge her a bit more. It bothers me at times how much she does for him and he doesn't seem to appreciate her. But, maybe it's there and I just don't see it??]

It's not there. He doesn't appreciate her. She is constantly getting info for him and he doesn't thank her, he just speeds away! Not only does she do day to day stuff for him but she's been his support through the whole Lana thing AND she keeps his secret, which is A REALLY BIG THING!!!!!!!!!! He needs to learn how to acknowledge and appreciate!!

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
I wish Clark would acknowledge her a bit more. It bothers me at times how much she does for him and he doesn't seem to appreciate her. But, maybe it's there and I just don't see it??


quote: btw...Superman Returns is supposed to be according to Bryan Singer the producer, a date movie/love story!

Well it better be good then!:D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You and alot of other you would invest $10 for the action, adventure and romance of Lois and Superman!

But before that happens chronologically 10years hence, since at present all are in freshman/sophomore college years....Chloe could come clean and tell Clark instead of lying and bring closure.

[photogirl]

Chloe could come clean about what Lana's doing, but is it really her's to tell?

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe didn't go to Lana because she figured Lana avoid the issue, just like she did last week. Even if she had, Lana would have still gotten defensive if Chloe hinted at a romance with Lex.

Also, it doesnt' really bother me that Chloe didn't tell Clark. It isn't Chloe's job to inform Clark who Lana dates, where she goes, what she wears, etc. If Clark wants to know something about Lana, he should go to her directly.

I agree 100%.

Chloe didn't lie to Clark, she told him to talk to Lana. Chloe is in the middle of these two idoits and Clark is trying to push her even more in the middle of them. She alright told him once she wasn't going to spy on Lana for him but he keeps on asking.

If I was Chloe and not in love with him I still would have told him to shut up a long time ago about Lana. And to talk to Lana himself


Originally posted by All about Clark
I actually thought Chloe did the right thing by going to Lex, because as she says Lana's in an emotional rollercoaster or something to that effect. Meaning that she could try dealing with someone who would be more responsive and understanding than Lana would be while she is in emotional turmoil.

I think this was also part of it too

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by photogirl
Chloe could come clean about what Lana's doing, but is it really her's to tell?

Chloe involved herself in the mess because she is caring but instinctively curious.

She could inform Clark if....

1. He presses her about the matter and...

2. Lex's actions directly threaten Lana in some form.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by photogirl
Chloe could come clean about what Lana's doing, but is it really her's to tell?

She doesn't have any proff, just a feeling. Both Lana and Lex shut her down. We know she right but what if she was wrong? She tells Clark and he gets involved and the whole thing gets really messing.

Besides if she had told Clark rather then Clark going to ask Lana, Clark would leave her alone for asking her to spy on Lana for him. Chloe is not repsouable for Lana or Clark. Clark is a big boy he can ask Lana himself.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Yes that's for sure!

I suspect maybe Clark would figure it out and discover who Lana is with all his own.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Chloe involved herself in the mess because she is caring but instinctively curious.

I don't think what Chloe had to do had anything to do with being instinctively curious. I think she did it because she worried for her friend.

[photogirl]

I think Clark needs to grow up a little...I mean if he wants to know something about Lana they should both be adult enough to talk to each other..

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I don't think what Chloe had to do had anything to do with being instinctively curious. I think she did it because she worried for her friend.

Yes, you are right...should have just left out the "instinctively curious" phrase in my post.

But, she does care and yes that caring led to worry for Lana knowing who/what Lex is in Chloe's eyes.

[angelfire east]

Clark needs to mature in so many ways, Season 1 Clark was more mutrue then this Clark.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark needs to mature in so many ways, Season 1 Clark was more mutrue then this Clark.


No doubt!

Must be they want to make good first impression with the portraying Clark in their very first Season hoping for good ratings/reviews with more Seasons to follow....which as we have seen have happened!

[angelfire east]

I don't think it was them wanting to make a good first impresstion I think they just lost their way with him. It's all down to bad writting.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I don't think it was them wanting to make a good first impresstion I think they just lost their way with him. It's all down to bad writting.


Well yes, it comes down to the writing which leaves much to be desired in plot holes and our own critiques of what should be.

Chloe lying clearly is an example of that, and why she went to Lex in the first place and then Lana chewing her butt which precipitated her eventual lie to Clark.

I think we all agree, this particular episode as well as other could have been approached differently. But that is the problem when you have various writers putting there input without little or no solid flow.

[photogirl]

I blame the whole show on the writers!! ;D

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by photogirl
I blame the whole show on the writers!! ;D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes and we still continue to watch and wait to see how things go.

We and that means "me" as well, are riveted!

[photogirl]

^^^^^hehehe!!! Sometimes I forget to remember that Smallville's not real....

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton


Now we see a closeup shot of Clark's expression as Chloe finally turns to leave him thinking and wondering what she is going through or what is really happening there to her.

No! He is not that indepth to think any further of what is REALLY bugging Chloe! or IS he that smart??

Tune in to the next exciting episode or two....

I don't think it's a matter of intelligence. I see it as Clark just being taken aback at the fact that Chloe lit into him. True, it was a kind of dumb thing to ask her... and I get that Clark is trying to give Lana space... but I think her reaction shocked him and left him speechless. Of course, the whole scene seemed a little contrived to me: Clark spends the entire episode with the little girl, and at the very end asks Chloe about Lana (like we'd forget what has happened if Clark didn't ask about Lana!).


Originally posted by angelfire east
She doesn't have any proff, just a feeling. Both Lana and Lex shut her down. We know she right but what if she was wrong? She tells Clark and he gets involved and the whole thing gets really messing.

Besides if she had told Clark rather then Clark going to ask Lana, Clark would leave her alone for asking her to spy on Lana for him. Chloe is not repsouable for Lana or Clark. Clark is a big boy he can ask Lana himself.

I agree with this. Telling someone about a hunch when you have no actual proof in a situation like this is never a good idea. It was a good thing on Chloe's part to stay out of the situation and let Clark find out for himself.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
Clark spends the entire episode with the little girl, and at the very end asks Chloe about Lana (like we'd forget what has happened if Clark didn't ask about Lana!).

That just drove me absolutly nuts when he did that.:mad:

I am really hoping that Clark was able to figure out for himself that he is putting Chloe in the middle and that a good friend doesn't do that to another friend.

[angelfire east]

Clark asking Chloe about Lana at the end of the episode just seemed so odd to me. Not just because it was a stupid thing to ask her when she told him before she not going to spy on Lana for him.

It's felt like it didn't fix to me.

Guess it was too much to ask to have one episode where Clark doesn't mention Lana. I know Maddie brough her up but at the end of the episode it would have been nice if Chloe didn't go to Chloe just too learn about Lana.


You know it'd be nice to see Clark nad CHloe just hanging out without it having anything to do with Lana or the episode mystery.

[photogirl]

I know. Really. He broke up with her. He made the decision to leave her even if it meant not hearing from her again. And yet, Clark continues to talk about Lana. Is he surprised that Chloe doesn't want to be in the middle? He shouldn't be. He goes the whole episode, and then wants to know about Lana? What is that?

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by photogirl
I know. Really. He broke up with her. He made the decision to leave her even if it meant not hearing from her again. And yet, Clark continues to talk about Lana. Is he surprised that Chloe doesn't want to be in the middle? He shouldn't be. He goes the whole episode, and then wants to know about Lana? What is that?

He the one who made Lana "hate him" not two episodes ago.

Also I know he's a BDA but he knows Lana and should know by now she can't stand on her own, unless still still so blind to her faults he can't see it.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
That just drove me absolutly nuts when he did that.:mad:

I am really hoping that Clark was able to figure out for himself that he is putting Chloe in the middle and that a good friend doesn't do that to another friend.

Yes, I absolutely agree, LuckyKrypto! True friends don't do that to each other.


Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark asking Chloe about Lana at the end of the episode just seemed so odd to me. Not just because it was a stupid thing to ask her when she told him before she not going to spy on Lana for him.

It's felt like it didn't fix to me.

Guess it was too much to ask to have one episode where Clark doesn't mention Lana. I know Maddie brough her up but at the end of the episode it would have been nice if Chloe didn't go to Chloe just too learn about Lana.


You know it'd be nice to see Clark nad CHloe just hanging out without it having anything to do with Lana or the episode mystery.

I, too, would like to see that. I don't understand these Lana-centric episodes where it seems nothing is progressing with her character. I'm all about the character development over the course of a show, and when that doesn't happen, I'm always disappointed. :(

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

It appears to me that Clark will never, ever figure out what he is doing to Chloe....he is acting like an adolecent and insecure when asking Chloe about Lana!

Clearly, he is not prepared to handle this aspect of his own decision to part with the one he loves since he laid eyes on her as he indicated when he was 5 years old.

Clark is evidently still stuck in that time frame of years past.:(

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
I, too, would like to see that. I don't understand these Lana-centric episodes where it seems nothing is progressing with her character. I'm all about the character development over the course of a show, and when that doesn't happen, I'm always disappointed. :(

I'm right there with you.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Hmm, "character development"?

Why and where do we see Chloe's cousin Lois going??

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
It appears to me that Clark will never, ever figure out what he is doing to Chloe....he is acting like an adolecent and insecure when asking Chloe about Lana!

Clearly, he is not prepared to handle this aspect of his own decision to part with the one he loves since he laid eyes on her as he indicated when he was 5 years old.

Clark is evidently still stuck in that time frame of years past.:(

Well, not to be too much of a stickler, but he is only 18, and thereby still an adolescent. ;) However, I agree that there is a part of Clark that will always wonder about Lana, but I am still hopeful that he'll figure it out, get over it, and move on with his life.


Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Hmm, "character development"?

Why and where do we see Chloe's cousin Lois going??

:lol: I know... character development seems almost like an oxymoron on this show at times! :lol: But I enjoy character development because, even though they're fiction, I invest some emotional energy into characters, and I want to see that my "investment" has paid off.

As for Lois, I have a whole other opinion about her in the "Clois" thread... don't get me started! :D

[MBCorp]

I loved it in that final Chlark scene when Clark was talking about Lana and he asks Chloe, "Has she met anybody else?" Clark knows Lana so well!

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
Well, not to be too much of a stickler, but he is only 18, and thereby still an adolescent. ;) However, I agree that there is a part of Clark that will always wonder about Lana, but I am still hopeful that he'll figure it out, get over it, and move on with his life.



:lol: I know... character development seems almost like an oxymoron on this show at times! :lol: But I enjoy character development because, even though they're fiction, I invest some emotional energy into characters, and I want to see that my "investment" has paid off.

As for Lois, I have a whole other opinion about her in the "Clois" thread... don't get me started! :D

Yeah.

I think....what I should rephrased regarding my observations of Clark's maturity is..."a sort of pre-adolescent stage".

And yes, I think most of us who are into the show do invest a degree of emotional energy....some of us more than others!

Whether we scream at the TV or throw a pillow at it or press mute when something we don't like happens---Lexana "kissy poo"!:lol: :p

Me? Grin and bear or get sick when Lois shoves a coloring book and crayons to poor unsettled Maddie!

Ugh!! That is just my own reaction as example!:lol:

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Yeah.

I think....what I should rephrased regarding my observations of Clark's maturity is..."a sort of pre-adolescent stage".

And yes, I think most of us who are into the show do invest a degree of emotional energy....some of us more than others!

Whether we scream at the TV or throw a pillow at it or press mute when something we don't like happens---Lexana "kissy poo"!:lol: :p

Me? Grin and bear or get sick when Lois shoves a coloring book and crayons to poor unsettled Maddie!

Ugh!! That is just my own reaction as example!:lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: That is so true, lastFatherOfKrypton! I cringed quite a bit when Lois appears and shoves the coloring book in Maddie's face! :\ My initial thought was "What in the heck is she doing???"

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
:lol: :lol: :lol: That is so true, lastFatherOfKrypton! I cringed quite a bit when Lois appears and shoves the coloring book in Maddie's face! :\ My initial thought was "What in the heck is she doing???"


Good lord, those were my words to a tee!!

What the hell are you doing there in the first place!?


And then you feel in the pit of stomach an aching feeling like a punch of feeling hungry even after you have just eaten.....it is true what they say----the nerves are traced along the stomach wall right to our brain!!:(

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
:lol: :lol: :lol: That is so true, lastFatherOfKrypton! I cringed quite a bit when Lois appears and shoves the coloring book in Maddie's face! :\ My initial thought was "What in the heck is she doing???"

I thought she was trying too hard.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Good lord, those were my words to a tee!!

What the hell are you doing there in the first place!?


And then you feel in the pit of stomach an aching feeling like a punch of feeling hungry even after you have just eaten.....it is true what they say----the nerves are traced along the stomach wall right to our brain!!:(


:lol: :lol: You know what they say... great minds think alike! ;)


Originally posted by angelfire east
I thought she was trying too hard.

I agree with you... I think she was trying too hard.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Clearly, Lois does not have a way with kids, unlike SuperClark!

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I loved it in that final Chlark scene when Clark was talking about Lana and he asks Chloe, "Has she met anybody else?" Clark knows Lana so well!

That's what I said eariler Clark should know Lana well enough by now to know the answer to that.

[clarksmuse]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Clearly, Lois does not have a way with kids, unlike SuperClark!

Here's hoping she'll learn! :D

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by clarksmuse
Here's hoping she'll learn! :D


Rough and Ready Lois?

No!

Doubtful!!

Well, anyway I just hope on the issue of Chloe, that her first outright lie to Clark was the last and NOT the beginning of the first of other lies to him!!

Then that will make both Chloe and Clark lying for their own purposes....he to protect his identity....her to protect herself and him or anyone else??

I pray not!:( :( :(