Wow, that was Harsh

[hottietom]

Come on! He's so rude sometimes. . .

[Shadowknight]

"I am starting to get an inkling why you never had a boyfriend"


:eek:

Poor Chloe always get a number done on her from Lex's remarks

[Rafael122]

I didn't get the comment.

[meredithjj]

I know! Poor Chloe!

[Timester]

Now that's so Lex Luthor that I love to hate.

[God-Man]

Ooooooooh, BURN! lol. "I think I'm getting a little inkling as to why you dont' have a boyfriend."

[attitudejc]

I know!!!!!!! i almost cried for her! wow. im still in shock in that.

[MarkAllan22]

Why don't they write Lex like that more often?

Seems like it's only in scenes with Chloe.

[Remus]

True, that was a bit uncalled for.. But.. Chloe partially deserved it. >>;

She comes in and threatens him, thinking that he has some motive for sorta-being with Lana. o_o Chloe annoyed me in that scene.

Honestly, I burst out laughing when he said that. XD;

[hottietom]

She should have punched him -nods-

[Rosey]

So just what would Chloe do to Lex anyway? I didn't get that scene.

[F-Stop Blues]

He's going to kill her. Mark my words.

[redraven]

I liked what Chloe said to him way better...

[JD_lover5943]

That was pretty mean of him.

[redraven]

One word that came to mind when that happened was DISS!

[DoN Migu-EL]

Wow it was actually really refreshing to see Lex being evil for once.

[eas]

Lex always has to get the last word...

[attitudejc]

dang, now lana too!

[auxvis]

Lana = fool

[Slytherin Princess]

Both Lex and Lana shut chloe up. how amazing! :D

[attitudejc]

i thought that that wasn't fair that lana got mad a chloe and then and went and did what she said no to chloe and got mad at her for. does that make sense? ...

[sstray72]

Makes sense, attitude. Lana always does stuff like that, she gets upset when people tell her things and then gets to strut the hypocricy later on...

[Patch123]

gosh i do not like lex... n i deffinitly agree with umm redraven's icon pic.... jus say NOOO to lexana i hated it!!!!!

[shinedown]

i think chloes words of warning to lana will really come into play later on this season when she gets her heart broken. and the people will rejoice in all the lands

[Aloof]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
He's going to kill her. Mark my words.

I know! He will! :eek: :(

[thedarknight]

Mean? How can you say that.....

This is Lex Luthor we're talking about. As far as I'm concerned good Lex is dead. There is only the manipulative SOB that we all love.

Clark becoming Superhero = Lex becoming Evil, fits in with the whole nature has a balance theory.

I hope TPTB make him live up to the greatest criminal mastermind by the end of the series.

[Kalel x2x2]

yea what lex said to chloe was uncalled for

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
He's going to kill her. Mark my words.

I actually got that feeling too.

[sheltiemom]

I was hoping Chloe would have given him a slap. I sure as h*ll wanted too.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by shinedown
i think chloes words of warning to lana will really come into play later on this season when she gets her heart broken. and the people will rejoice in all the lands

I hope Chloe will shut the door in her face if she comes a crying.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by DoN Migu-EL
Wow it was actually really refreshing to see Lex being evil for once.

Agreed.

[LastingChlarker]

I love to hate the guy. haha

Yeah that comment was a cheap shot at Chloe. Something tells me she wasn't too happy either

[shinedown]

she was really defensive about it later after clark asked her about lana

[afro_maestro]

Originally posted by LastingChlarker
I love to hate the guy. haha

Yeah that comment was a cheap shot at Chloe. Something tells me she wasn't too happy either


um, that would be when she slammed the door. Its a pretty heavy door too. Must build it stronger each time cuz Clark (or sum1 else) keeps destroying it, lol.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by sheltiemom
I was hoping Chloe would have given him a slap. I sure as h*ll wanted too.

She's better then that. She doesn't need to slap him or have a come back, she'll get him in the end. At leas t that'd be cool if she did. (you know later even if she only one ups him with words)

[Shadow09]

It is really tough hating what Lex says from his character standpoint... very Luthor like.

But poor Chloe from what I read I haven't seen the entire episode yet. So I can only go on what everyone is posting.

And when Lex and Lana kissed that was awesome cause that will hurt Clark even more when he finds out, and that Chloe lyed to him as well, but Chloe was correct to not be a spy for Clark.

[MBCorp]

That was a cool scene but thinking about it, what Lex said was like something a 16 year old girl would say as an insult. Not too mature.:p

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by MBCorp
That was a cool scene but thinking about it, what Lex said was like something a 16 year old girl would say as an insult. Not too mature.:p

Agreed. You know I can think of so many stupid jokes about that:lol:

[Aloof]

Originally posted by MBCorp
That was a cool scene but thinking about it, what Lex said was like something a 16 year old girl would say as an insult. Not too mature.:p

Hey, watch it there, I'm 16. :eek:

[CallMeClark]

His words weren't nearly as threatening. Chloe's gonna kick so Luthor ass! ;)

Angelfire is right though. Chloe doesn't need to play a physical game. She has outsmarted one Luthor before, another one should not be too hard.

Lex will not kill Chloe. She may die before the series ends, but mark my words Lex won't kill Chloe. I thought more about the foreshadowing of Chloe following through with her threat. She has been shafted in these episodes lately. Too much A plot and Lexana.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Lex's comment made him sound like a five-year-old. The only thing scathing about it was Chloe's reaction. If she hadn't acted hurt, it wouldn't have meant the same thing at all.

And frankly, I think there were so many angles she could've taken with his remark. It wasn't that biting at all. She could've maybe made mention of his "love life" -- two failed marriages where both your wives want to kill you? Oh, and how about the slue of one night stands and stalkers along the way to make things more interesting...

Lex had no place to say what he said, and I think Chloe just let him say it. Poor choice as far as writing goes, but...what else is new?

[CallMeClark]

Yes, but the point is Chloe was hurt, and that made it meaningful.

[FiveForFighting09]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
He's going to kill her. Mark my words.

i will mark your words ...with a red ink pen..jk

but yeah i hope he dosen' t kill her i am starting to like chloe...

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Angelfire is right though. Chloe doesn't need to play a physical game. She has outsmarted one Luthor before, another one should not be too hard.

That's what I hope:D

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by MBCorp
That was a cool scene but thinking about it, what Lex said was like something a 16 year old girl would say as an insult. Not too mature.:p
I think Lex goes for the jugular. He said what would hurt Chloe the most. Just like the "muffin peddler" remark with Lois.

[JasonsLea]

Classic Lex. But Chloe should have ***** slapped him.

[hassenmorad]

Originally posted by Timester
Now that's so Lex Luthor that I love to hate.
Totally agree. I hope we get more of this Lex Luthor in the future.

[F-Stop Blues]

I think when it comes to Chloe and Lois Lex doesnt care what he says since he's Lex Luthor and they are nobodies. But he's never that mean to Clark and obviously Lana but lets forget about her for a second. Lex digs into Chloe and Lois but he still likes Clark or he's not out to hurt him yet.

[angelfire east]

I dunno having some almost rape Clark is out to hurt him in my books.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Slytherin Princess
Both Lex and Lana shut chloe up. how amazing! :D

What Lex said was just mean; I laughed though. :\

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I dunno having some almost rape Clark is out to hurt him in my books.


Well sort of but he was more trying to get info on him. Plus I dont think he was really feeling any pain when he was with that Chick.

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by MarkAllan22
Why don't they write Lex like that more often?

Seems like it's only in scenes with Chloe.

Good point. With Lex and Clark in the post-friendship and pre-enemy zone, the best Lex scenes are all with Chloe these days.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
Well sort of but he was more trying to get info on him. Plus I dont think he was really feeling any pain when he was with that Chick.

It was still rape what happened with that girl even if tptb ironged the issuse and that's a pretty big thing to happen.

May lex hasn't gone competely after Clark because a part of him still wants/hopes for that friendship with him he had in Lexmas but I haven't seen that part of him for a while now. Guess the peisode after Rackoning was the last one we heard about clex friendship.:confused:

[JasonsLea]

Originally posted by angelfire east
It was still rape what happened with that girl even if tptb ironged the issuse and that's a pretty big thing to happen.


Okay, please explain. :confused:

[Batman/Superman#1]

That was the real evil Lex Luthor. the Lex that Lana hasn't seen yet.

[CallMeClark]

What Angelfire means is that it was not what Clark wanted, and in a sense it was rape because it was against his real will.

I hope Chloe throws the smack down on Lex before the finale.

[JasonsLea]

Well, I'm new so I have no idea what girl you're talking about.

[hottietom]

As in the episode from two weeks ago. The girl who could hyptnotize people?

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by shinedown
she was really defensive about it later after clark asked her about lana

yeah, she had a tough day.....:(


but, i can't believe that lex would be that mean, when she brought him back to life just last episode! and lana, when chloe was just protecting her! man, poor chloe. but it was funny, i laughed my head off, then i was about to cry for her.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by attitudejc
but, i can't believe that lex would be that mean, when she brought him back to life just last episode! .

I know. Who would have thought that Lex Luthor would be mean?!??

[attitudejc]

okay thats a good point

[photogirl]

I loved that scene! They play off each other so well, and I love how his first comment about not being in a relationship ever she just blew off, and then she walked away when he started being rude again. I was glad she talked to Lex, but then again she could've just talked to Lana about it. I absolutely loved her threat! It was priceless. Although I felt really bad for her, I had to burst out laughing at Lex's "I'm starting to get an inkling into why you don't have a boyfriend" line...That was priceless! Their whole conversation was priceless

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

The whole scene did have its bittersweet mix of emotional dialog and tension.

Just as it should coming from Lex and Chloe in their adversarial relationship!

[JasonsLea]

Originally posted by hottietom
As in the episode from two weeks ago. The girl who could hyptnotize people?

*smacks forehead* Oh duh!

[superboy32]

i used to like lex- he was cool and always smooth. he was a good friend to clark until he decided to start bein a butt to him, now he's deciding to do the same thing to chloe. chloe rocks! she majorly told lex. go Chlark!!

[Rani]

I think it would been great if Chloe have said to Lex: "I am starting to get an inkling why all your girlfriends are trying to kill you"

[ctjj.stevenson]

The way that I understood it at first was that Lex started to believe that maybe Chloe was a Lesbian ... however I am starting to see things otherwise. Thank group. I guess that I was really off here.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by ctjj.stevenson
The way that I understood it at first was that Lex started to believe that maybe Chloe was a Lesbian ... however I am starting to see things otherwise. Thank group. I guess that I was really off here.


I thought it wishful thinking to infer Chloe a Lesbian from Lex's perspective!

Just not there!

We see Lex transform more and more from his earlier roots into the iconic evil character the world knows!

It should not surprise anyone who knows Superman Lore.;)

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
I thought it wishful thinking to infer Chloe a Lesbian from Lex's perspective!

Just not there!

We see Lex transform more and more from his earlier roots into the iconic evil character the world knows!

It should not surprise anyone who knows Superman Lore.;)

I couldn't disagree more. For me, Lex has gotten too bad, too fast. The Clark-Lex dynamic in the first two seasons was great, but it couldn't last forever. However, by the time season 3 rolled around Lex was clearly "troubled". It made for a really nice dynamic as Clark clearly couldn't trust him, but the mental illness absolved some of his guilt. At the beginning of season 4, it looked like they were going still further down that path with his blood disorder.

Now, he is really just Lionel, Jr. They are almost totally redundent. One is evil and scheming to get Martha and the other is evil and scheming to get Lana. **Yawn**

It is comic book-y in the old sense as in two-dimensional. It is also a shame, since the SV Lex is about 10 times as interesting as the Lex from "Superman Lore".

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by dhacker615
Now, he is really just Lionel, Jr. They are almost totally redundent. One is evil and scheming to get Martha and the other is evil and scheming to get Lana. **Yawn**

It is comic book-y in the old sense as in two-dimensional. It is also a shame, since the SV Lex is about 10 times as interesting as the Lex from "Superman Lore".

I can't believe I'm saying this but you actually make a very good point. I usually don't mention this much but I did think Lex in the first few seasons was alot more interesting than he is now. I enjoy seeing him evil but I do miss the old conflicted Lex. Especially since he wasn't in any sort of relationship with Lana back then.:lol: :\

[Watching Smallville]

I think Lex could be interesting if he were pitted against Clark. Lionel was fascinating for three seasons because he had a protagonist -- which was Lex. Now Lex needs to be in a psychological battle with his protagonist, not in a confusing relationship with Lana. In a way, the presence of Brainiac and the ambiguity of Lionel's character are making it hard for Lex to assume his rightful place in the story.

[Coyote]

I think you mean antagonist rather than protagonist.

I agree that it could make Lex more interesting if they further develop his rivalry with Clark/Superman. But they would need to do it in the right way and not turn Lex into a stupid simplistic "evil" comic book bad guy with no redeeming qualities. That would be too boring and predictable.

As far as Lex's treatment of Chloe in this ep, it was completely justified. Lana did not solicit any "help" from Chloe. Lex was in his own house minding his own business, when some nosy little busybody comes charging in ranting and making threats at him about his personal relationships. Lex would have been within his rights to have his security detain her and call the cops to take her away in handcuffs.

As for Chloe turning out to be a lesbian, yes, it's sure looking like it will turn out that way. Chloe isn't going to wind up with Clark in the end. Lois winds up with Clark. Chloe will wind up with a very nice girlfriend.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Chloe ending up with a Girlfriend?? Please!

Chloe is a babe with straight and true, with feelings only for her SuperClark, who she wants to grow up and fullfill his destiny!

"We didn't ask for a World that needs heroes, but the truth is we do, now more than ever Clark!"

And how else can we see Lex Luthor becoming....turning into an Angel of Peace and Goodness dripping with love and compassion??

Come on....Lex Luthor is going to be the ultimate EVIL humanbeing on Superman's watchand in a pain in his butt!

[Gothabilly13]

OK I guess somewhere a long the line it was forgotten that Lex Luthor is the criminal master mind that fights Clark aka Superman with everything he can....remember that?

There for why is it so surprising that he is nasty, hurtful, manipulating, sneaky, and simply evil?

It seems that in all the drama and soap opera filler that fact that "He Is The Villain Of The Story" has been left by the wayside...

I for one, being a long time fan of Lex Luthor (since before Smallville) am very happy to see him finally becoming the villain he is destined to be. Lex was the reason I started watching and the reason I continue to watch.

I mean the things he will do in the future are miles beyond the snipe he leveled at Chloe...that was nothing believe me.

I laughed and felt a moment of excitment because it meant that finally we will be seeing the real Lex Luthor

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I think Lex could be interesting if he were pitted against Clark. Lionel was fascinating for three seasons because he had a protagonist -- which was Lex. Now Lex needs to be in a psychological battle with his protagonist, not in a confusing relationship with Lana. In a way, the presence of Brainiac and the ambiguity of Lionel's character are making it hard for Lex to assume his rightful place in the story.

Yeah, I agree. I think it would be far more interesting if we saw more Clark/Lex antagonistic scenes and if there was more of a focus on their growing antagonism with one another. The whole Lexana thing is really getting in the way of any Clark/Lex plot. It makes their growing hostility more focused on Lana, and therefore less interesting.

And as much as I love Lionel I agree that he really is getting in the way of Lex being the true villain of the story.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by Gothabilly13
OK I guess somewhere a long the line it was forgotten that Lex Luthor is the criminal master mind that fights Clark aka Superman with everything he can....remember that?

There for why is it so surprising that he is nasty, hurtful, manipulating, sneaky, and simply evil?

It seems that in all the drama and soap opera filler that fact that "He Is The Villain Of The Story" has been left by the wayside...

I for one, being a long time fan of Lex Luthor (since before Smallville) am very happy to see him finally becoming the villain he is destined to be. Lex was the reason I started watching and the reason I continue to watch.

I mean the things he will do in the future are miles beyond the snipe he leveled at Chloe...that was nothing believe me.

I laughed and felt a moment of excitment because it meant that finally we will be seeing the real Lex Luthor


Yes true! We have forgotten the evil of Lex, being wrapped up in Soap!

And speak of Soap....we were so used to the sanitized Lex of Seasons 1-3, that we I think were caught off guard by the intensity Chloe and Lex this latest encounter.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Coyote
I think you mean antagonist rather than protagonist.
I mean Clark as the protagonist in the context of the story, where Lex is the antagonist. ;)

[dhacker615]

Originally posted by Gothabilly13
OK I guess somewhere a long the line it was forgotten that Lex Luthor is the criminal master mind that fights Clark aka Superman with everything he can....remember that?

There for why is it so surprising that he is nasty, hurtful, manipulating, sneaky, and simply evil?

It seems that in all the drama and soap opera filler that fact that "He Is The Villain Of The Story" has been left by the wayside...

I for one, being a long time fan of Lex Luthor (since before Smallville) am very happy to see him finally becoming the villain he is destined to be. Lex was the reason I started watching and the reason I continue to watch.

I mean the things he will do in the future are miles beyond the snipe he leveled at Chloe...that was nothing believe me.

I laughed and felt a moment of excitment because it meant that finally we will be seeing the real Lex Luthor

Two points:
1. I don't think anyone is unclear about what Lex is going to become. However, to see Lex Luthor being really bad you can turn to a lot of sources (including new stuff like "All-Star Superman" and "Superman Returns"). If you want to see Lex becoming evil, then ...well... it is really only SV. I want to see how the flawed guy I met in season 1 becomes "The Villain of the Story", not have it just happen.
2. Part of what has made SV unique is its ability to blend WB-style soap opera with comic book style action. When the character stuff is done well, it is a long way from filler. It makes the action matter. That used to happen on SV all the time. Until "Reckoning", it really seemed like SV had gotten that groove back. Now? Not so much.


Originally posted by LastFatherOfKrypton
Yes true! We have forgotten the evil of Lex, being wrapped up in Soap!

And speak of Soap....we were so used to the sanitized Lex of Seasons 1-3, that we I think were caught off guard by the intensity Chloe and Lex this latest encounter.

I'm sorry, but sanitized is the opposite what I am talking about. If someone is just plain evil as a result of their fate (or nature, or whatever), then who cares if they do evil things. It is like a dog barking, they can't help it. It makes for really boring drama.

More to the point, it is nothing like life. In real life, people are a mixed bag. Hitler was the most evil man of the 20th century, but he was a vegitarian and was kind to animals. In his mind, he probably believed that he was doing the right thing. Reasonable people elected him chancellor of Germany. Stalin was probably #2 of 20th Century bad guys, but the Allies wouldn't have won WW2 without his army.

The Lex Luthor we met in the first few seasons of SV was a pretty good guy with some real emotional problems. Seeing him slowly lose his moral compass is a heck of lot darker view of the world than just having him be bad from day one. If it is as a direct result of well-meaning choices (rather than abstract fate pushing him), that much darker still.

[MuseOfSlytherin]

Okay, i think it was a harsh reality that Chloe needed to hear. that her involvement in other people's business that doesn't concern her exclusively does more harm than good. Case in example, she abuses the power the Kryptonite truth gas gave her by digging out the painful and humiliating secrets of the townsfolk all for a good story and because its a 'reporter's right' to publicize stuff.

As for her defeating a Luthor once before...if it wasn't for Lex, she would have gotten her ass blown off in Covenant.

Usually, the strongest reality checks are the harshest ones that point out the flaws of a character in contrast.

Muse

[attitudejc]

i just wished she had pointed out HIS reality.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by MuseOfSlytherin
Okay, i think it was a harsh reality that Chloe needed to hear. that her involvement in other people's business that doesn't concern her exclusively does more harm than good. Case in example, she abuses the power the Kryptonite truth gas gave her by digging out the painful and humiliating secrets of the townsfolk all for a good story and because its a 'reporter's right' to publicize stuff.

As for her defeating a Luthor once before...if it wasn't for Lex, she would have gotten her ass blown off in Covenant.

Usually, the strongest reality checks are the harshest ones that point out the flaws of a character in contrast.

Muse


Then, all in all, the writers were probably dead on in their accuracy of Lex and Chloe in their latest sparring!

[Gothabilly13]

have to say i agree with muse

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by Gothabilly13
have to say i agree with muse


Of course, everything that muse cited about Chloe as we have seen in past Seasons describes her accurately....no disagreement there.;)

[ms.c.]

Neither Chloe nor Lex could have gotten Lionel put in jail without the other one. It was a PARTNERSHIP.

But, Chloe was in high school (about 16/17) while Lex was a grown man.

It say a lot about Chloe that she had the guts to do that at such a young age and that she was able to find the dirt on Lionel when even Lex, with all his money and resources, couldn't. Remember, Lex was investigating his father, too, but he needed Chloe to have evidence against him.

As for the Chlex, scene, I'd say that the writers were just acknowledging to the audience that they realize that Chloe has never had a boyfriend (which I would hope they are going to correct.) And they were explaining why by having Lex suggest that Chloe is kinda a witch and hard to get along with. She comes on strong and she can be pretty tough. She is not the overly sweet type. She will get in people's faces and she can be unbending. She doesn't just agree with people to get along. She is not easy going. She has never been Miss. Accommodating and that can be a real turn off. It'll probably make Chloe think about how much time she is spending on work and on other people's love lives when she hasn't been doing very much fun stuff for herself.

And if anyone is entitled to some fun time, it's Chloe.

[SadaBeem]

Knowing it was a low thing of Lex to point out, I'm glad he said it. I knew Lex wasn't going to just sit there quietly and take what Chloe was saying. If she was going to throw threats, the least he could do was shove an insult or two right back in her face.

[ms.c.]

It was in character for Lex because he is childish. Lex is a spoiled brat. He likes to get his way and he gets mad when he doesn't.

[LastFatherOfKrypton]

Originally posted by ms.c.
It was in character for Lex because he is childish. Lex is a spoiled brat. He likes to get his way and he gets mad when he doesn't.


The scene from Solitude when Clark defeats Fine and the ship disappears from Lex's warehouse:

Lex: Dad I didn't think petty theft was part of your forte!

Lionel: What are getting at son.

Lex: You sure seemed interested in what used to be in my warehouse.

Lionel: You mean your precious ship? Lex, Lex how many times must I tell you, if don't keep a watchful eye over the things you value they will someday disappear!

Lex: I WANT IT BACK NOW!! (like a child with a toy taken away by a parent)