Deus ex machina Chloe

[MBCorp]

I like Chloe, but I'm kind of tired of seeing her constantly be the one who saves the day and does everything for Clark. Truth to tell she's becoming a bit of a deus ex machina. How in the hell did Clark ever survive without Chloe doing everything for him?

[shy175223]

I know, I actually long for the day when Clark ACTUALLY saves the day again somtimes with Chloe's help here and there BUT not all the time.

[cotton candy girl]

She even saved Lex tonight. I mean come on; is this realisitc? Not that the show is exactly realistic, but Chloe's supposed to be only human.

[SadaBeem]

It's all of these so-called 'connections' Chloe has. She has connections to just about every corner of Kansas and beyond it seems.

[myankskent]

Chloe has been bothering me for such a long time now. I think the show should be the story of supergirl rather than superman. Chloe saves people more than Clark does these days and even when Clark saves someone, it is always Chloe giving him the lead. Chloe's character is making Clark seem more and more stupid as every episode goes by.

[shy175223]

Yeah, she wouldn't even say whom her connections were,,.. not even to Clark humm very curious.

[myankskent]

Her character has been unrealistic right from day 1 of this show. No freshman is highschool can have this many connections to begin with. That's why I disagree with the direction of her character this season. They make it so that she knows more than Lois does when she is working at the daily planet later on in the future. I think Chloe's character is getting way too close to what Lois' should be and I think it's time Chloe got a little wake up call.

[MBCorp]

I just wish for once that they'd let Clark actually come up with the answers and save the day on his own. Chloe is so perfect this season and so competant and so good at everything and saves the day so much that she's turning into a bit of a Mary Sue, actually. It makes Clark look sort of useless and stupid, unfortunately.

[Kryptonian Snake]

It would be nice for Clark to be the more proactive one who actually puts the pieces together and saves the day. Right now, he seems more like the sidekick right now in the Chloe-Clark partnership.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I just wish for once that they'd let Clark actually come up with the answers and save the day on his own. Chloe is so perfect this season and so competant and so good at everything and saves the day so much that she's turning into a bit of a Mary Sue, actually. It makes Clark look sort of useless and stupid, unfortunately.

I agree, part of me wants to see Chloe get killed because I hate it when she acts like the superwoman and Clark acts like the moron. Things are just working out too perfectly for Chloe's character this season. All of the other characters have controversies and struggle with things, although they do seem stupid at times, I'd rather see someone have some faults than see a person like Chloe steal Clark's role on the show.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by myankskent
I agree, part of me wants to see Chloe get killed because I hate it when she acts like the superwoman and Clark acts like the moron. Things are just working out too perfectly for Chloe's character this season. All of the other characters have controversies and struggle with things, although they do seem stupid at times, I'd rather see someone have some faults than see a person like Chloe steal Clark's role on the show.
Oh I definitely agree.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by shy175223
Yeah, she wouldn't even say whom her connections were,,.. not even to Clark humm very curious.

At the end of the conversation at the DP Chloe mentions that Lionel is her source, remember? He swore her to secrecy, but she mentioned that Lionel is probably playing everyone.

The MB is in good form, even if we only see his machinations from afar.

[angelfire east]

I agree MBCorp.

You know Clark has become just he muscle, Chloe is the brains. She the reporter, the hero and the one who everyone would be dead without. Cause Clark couldn't do half of what he does on his own and as time goes on he gets less and less independent.

Isn't Clark Kent suppose to be a really good reportor besides a superhero? I think tptb have forgot that, their too busy messing up Clark being a hero.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by myankskent
I agree, part of me wants to see Chloe get killed because I hate it when she acts like the superwoman and Clark acts like the moron. Things are just working out too perfectly for Chloe's character this season. All of the other characters have controversies and struggle with things, although they do seem stupid at times, I'd rather see someone have some faults than see a person like Chloe steal Clark's role on the show.

In past seasons Chloe got stomped on so I am willing let her enjoy some success for the moment.

I agree, though, she has pulled so many rabbits out of so many hats that it's getting tiresome. I am all for an intelligent, capable woman but Chloe seems to possess superpowers of her own with that computer of hers. Let's see Clark lead the investigations for once and have Chloe working to keep up.

It's a delicate balancing act as on the one hand I love Chloe's character and her loyalty to Clark's secret, but on the other I don't think she's really been tested in that department. I am very surprised that Lex has not pushed Chloe on her knowledge of Clark. That would make a very intriguing situation; to see how far Lex could push Chloe before she broke (not that she would).

[myankskent]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I agree MBCorp.

You know Clark has become just he muscle, Chloe is the brains. She the reporter, the hero and the one who everyone would be dead without. Cause Clark couldn't do half of what he does on his own and as time goes on he gets less and less independent.

Isn't Clark Kent suppose to be a really good reportor besides a superhero? I think tptb have forgot that, their too busy messing up Clark being a hero.

Bottom line is that Chloe's character is stepping on the toes of just about every character in this show. She is Clark, Lana and Lois all rolled into one. That made her character very likeable at the beginning of the season, but now it's just become too much.


Originally posted by Nospam
In past seasons Chloe got stomped on so I am willing let her enjoy some success for the moment.

I agree, though, she has pulled so many rabbits out of so many hats that it's getting tiresome. I am all for an intelligent, capable woman but Chloe seems to possess superpowers of her own with that computer of hers. Let's see Clark lead the investigations for once and have Chloe working to keep up.

It's a delicate balancing act as on the one hand I love Chloe's character and her loyalty to Clark's secret, but on the other I don't think she's really been tested in that department. I am very surprised that Lex has not pushed Chloe on her knowledge of Clark. That would make a very intriguing situation; to see how far Lex could push Chloe before she broke (not that she would).

I agree with this.

[chlarklove]

Well, seeing as how Clark was in HONDURAS at the time when all that was happening, I don't see how he could've "saved the day" so to speak. Even though he is the future Superman, he's not him yet, and he can't be in two places at once.

First, Chloe has struggles and conflicts with maturity, ethics, friendship etc and she's a horrible friend who betrayed Clark and isn't worthy. Her deal with Lionel continually gets brought up time and time again, even though she's paid for it and grown and matured from it. Now, she's redeemed herself to Clark, and is trying to redeem herself to the fans (that's what they're trying to do by her role this season, IMO anyways) by making her Clark's confidante and partner. So you think she's too perfect and even would go as far to say she has to die? WTH? That doesn't even make sense.

Chloe has ALWAYS been capable and competent, the one to put the pieces together and figure things out. The only reason why it seems like overload is cause she has a more active role this season being in on Clark's secret.

[Firebunny]

Chloe has never had to redeme herself in my eyes. She's my favorite character by far. But right now no one is ever truly in danger because Chloe will always dig up the information, or show up with Kryptonite, or instinctively know how to rivive the dead.

I wonder why Lana didn't go to her first. She could have said, "Chloe, I'm depressed and I want to talk with my parents one last time." Chloe would have gotten on her computer and figured out how to do it in a safe, non addicting way.

[BadToad]

I agree that the "Chloe always saves the day" theme is getting overused, but I didn't think it was too bad in this episode. She didn't find Fine, Lionel fed her that info. And while it pointed Clark in the right direction, he found the ship landing spot on his own from there. Finding out what was going on with Lana wasn't really that difficult, nor was tracking her down on campus. The only over the top moment in this episode was the saving Lex part.

But yeah, they need to give this a bit of a rest.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by BadToad
But yeah, they need to give this a bit of a rest.

I mean yeah, it's good for a while, but when it's used ad nauseum like this, it just seems pretty unrealistic. Let Chloe be vulnerable a bit, you know, let her need saving; then it wouldn't seem so unrealistic.

[bluegayle]

usually when chloe doesn't save the day is when she didn't have a big role in the episode. eg Aqua.

it seems like clark's character is currently so busy with farm, lana, hiding his powers that he actually doesn't care about a lot of the things chloe is bringing up to him until the point when chloe needs his muscle.

S1-3, they both seemed about equal in starting their own investigations about things.

nowadays, she feeds him a lot of info about what's going on.

i'm not sure if they are trying to establish her character or establish that the Daily Planet is *the* place to be to get all this info.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
I mean yeah, it's good for a while, but when it's used ad nauseum like this, it just seems pretty unrealistic. Let Chloe be vulnerable a bit, you know, let her need saving; then it wouldn't seem so unrealistic.

Umm, did you see season 1? Season 2? 3 even? In 4 Clark saved her from the terminator in the second episode. In Tomb she was hijacked by a ghost.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Umm, did you see season 1? Season 2? 3 even? In 4 Clark saved her from the terminator in the second episode. In Tomb she was hijacked by a ghost.


Um, actually I was talking about most of S5, now that she knows the secret. What, she's not vulnerable anymore now that she knows who Clark is? She is still supposed to be human. If anything, she should be more vulnerable because of knowing Clark's secret.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
I mean yeah, it's good for a while, but when it's perused ad nauseum like this, it just seems pretty unrealistic. Let Chloe be vulnerable a bit, you know, let her need saving; then it wouldn't seem so unrealistic.

That's why I find it unrealistic that Lex has not pushed her on her knowledge of Clark and not necessarilty directly but through manipulation or subtle threats. Chloe is vulnerable and Lex, well, maybe Lex respects Chloe or Clark enough not to pursue that angle or figures that Clark would lay another beat down on him. Heaven knows that Lex's security couldn't stop Clark, even if her were human. I am surprised homeless people aren't living in the mansion it's so open. :)

Anyway, I am surprised the writers haven't introduced this idea into the show. Lex would grow even more devious, the animosity between Clark and Lex would increase, Chloe would find herself in danger, and Clark would find yet another challenge to overcome.

[WangTang]

maybe its not chloe maybe its just clark is an idiot? Maybe the writers are playing favorites, chloe is an original character remember created by TPTB.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by WangTang
maybe its not chloe maybe its just clark is an idiot? Maybe the wirters are playing favorites, chloe is an orginal character.
Maybe, but they need to stop playing favorites if they are, because Clark is the main character and I hate to see his character acting like a moron.

[MBCorp]

Clark is more of Chloe's sidekick now than her partner. He doesn't seem at all equal to her.:\

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Nospam
That's why I find it unrealistic that Lex has not pushed her on her knowledge of Clark and not necessarilty directly but through manipulation or subtle threats. Chloe is vulnerable and Lex, well, maybe Lex respects Chloe or Clark enough not to pursue that angle or figures that Clark would lay another beat down on him. Heaven knows that Lex's security couldn't stop Clark, even if her were human. I am surprised homeless people aren't living in the mansion it's so open. :)

Anyway, I am surprised the writers haven't introduced this idea into the show. Lex would grow even more devious, the animosity between Clark and Lex would increase, Chloe would find herself in danger, and Clark would find yet another challenge to overcome.

Well, I don't think Lex respects Clark or Chloe. Maybe he IS afraid of another beat down, but it was fascinating to see him pick her up in the Yukon and just be his creepy self, but it looks like they dropped that angle. And Lex and Chloe don't seem to have much interaction anymore. And it's too bad too, because the Chlex is THE ship. :p

But I digress; it could be an interesting storyline to have Lex push Chloe for her knowledge. It just seems too unrealistic that Chloe hasn't *altogether now folks* even broken a nail over the secret.

[Slytherin Princess]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
And Lex and Chloe don't seem to have much interaction anymore. And it's too bad too, because the Chlex is THE ship. :p

god i hope you're kidding.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Slytherin Princess
god i hope you're kidding.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. ;) :)

[Slytherin Princess]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Whatever helps you sleep at night. ;) :)

ok you're kidding. *will sleep peacefully tonight*

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Nospam
At the end of the conversation at the DP Chloe mentions that Lionel is her source, remember? He swore her to secrecy, but she mentioned that Lionel is probably playing everyone.

The MB is in good form, even if we only see his machinations from afar.

oh yeah, I guess. now I remember, But I thought that she was mentioning that one scene in Splinter where Lionel had mentioned something about Fine to her. I didn't know that he was her constant source on Fine.,.though.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Slytherin Princess
ok you're kidding. *will sleep peacefully tonight*

You just go on and believe that. ;) Although they would never drag Chloe down like they're doing Lana by putting her with Lex.

[Deana]

The only scenes I truly enjoy with Chloe is when she's with her cousin. She seems human and not Super.

Her Harry Potter Cpu gets on my nerves and the Clark hand holding grates on my nerves to.

I still remember that scene where P. Fine had thrown Clark in FOS. While Clark is flying through the air Chloe and Fine are standing side by side, and he does nothing.

Fine hates humans. One of Clark's human friends is right there for the killing and they just stands there...

If it were any other character, they would've got thrown to planet Mars!

[Nospam]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Well, I don't think Lex respects Clark or Chloe. Maybe he IS afraid of another beat down, but it was fascinating to see him pick her up in the Yukon and just be his creepy self, but it looks like they dropped that angle. And Lex and Chloe don't seem to have much interaction anymore. And it's too bad too, because the Chlex is THE ship. :p

But I digress; it could be an interesting storyline to have Lex push Chloe for her knowledge. It just seems too unrealistic that Chloe hasn't *altogether now folks* even broken a nail over the secret.

I think Lex does respect Clark and Chloe on a certain level.

I really wish they'd explored this angle as it seemed so promising at the beginning of the season given the creepy overtones in Arrival. AlMiles obviously went more in the direction Lexana and the Mionel arc than any tension between Lex and Chloe. I hope next season we see a growing threat because at this point given all the machinations that Lex has gone through to discover the souce of Clark's uniqueness he's not hit upon Clark's weakest link and that's Chloe (well, Martha too but Lionel has got that covered).

It's not that I want to see Chloe in danger (or killed for that matter) but I think the writers need to amp up the danger level to even out the realism. Lok what Pete went through. It would also make the idea that Lana knowing the secret could put her in danger all the more tolerable, although I don't subscribe to that idea.

[Slytherin Princess]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
You just go on and believe that. ;) Although they would never drag Chloe down like they're doing Lana by putting her with Lex.

i (and my fellow lexana shippers out there) don't see it that way. it makes lana's character more interesting when she's with lex.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Slytherin Princess
i (and my fellow lexana shippers out there) don't see it that way. it makes lana's character more interesting when she's with lex.


if she happens to turn into the scornful woman that Almiles claims she will be ...:eek: well, things could get downright nasty from there.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Slytherin Princess
i (and my fellow lexana shippers out there) don't see it that way. it makes lana's character more interesting when she's with lex.

To each his or her own. ;) :)

[Nospam]

Originally posted by shy175223
oh yeah, I guess. now I remember, But I thought that she was mentioning that one scene in Splinter where Lionel had mentioned something about Fine to her. I didn't know that he was her constant source on Fine.,.though.

I don't know why Chloe didn't let Clark into her confidence that Lionel fed her information on Brainiac's location considering that Lionel has been doing so all season and Clark is aware of that. Lionel put Chloe onto the trail of Professor Fine in Solitude and gave Chloe inside information on Lex's senate campaign in Splinter.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Nospam
I don't know why Chloe didn't let Clark into her confidence that Lionel fed her information on Brainiac's location considering that Lionel has been doing so all season and Clark is aware of that. Lionel put Chloe onto the trail of Professor Fine in Solitude and gave Chloe inside information on Lex's senate campaign in Splinter.

I thought that he was really trying to help and that he had been good but apparently he isn't. Like Clark said, it seems he has been playing EVERYONE, including Lex.

[Firebunny]

Originally posted by Nospam
It's not that I want to see Chloe in danger

I want to see Chloe in danger, in a situation she can't get herself out of. At this point no one's in danger unless Chloe's in danger. Where's her Kryptonite? She's unstoppable. There's no drama in that.

I'd like to see Clark stripped of his Girl Friday, at least for an episode, and save the day on his own.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by shy175223
I thought that he was really trying to help and that he had been good but apparently he isn't. Like Clark said, it seems he has been playing EVERYONE, including Lex.

Hey, he had me fooled too. I was convinced that he was a reformed man, alas, I was wrong. If anything, TPTB have been playing us all season as to Lionel's true motivations. From the beginning of the season the writers have been very careful to leave Lionel's actions largely to interpretation knowing that we'd mash a few gears trying to figure it out. It's been a fun season for Lionel and I only wish we had more of him.


Originally posted by Firebunny
I want to see Chloe in danger, in a situation she can't get herself out of. At this point no one's in danger unless Chloe's in danger. Where's her Kryptonite? She's unstoppable. There's no drama in that.

I'd like to see Clark stripped of his Girl Friday, at least for an episode, and save the day on his own.

What I should have said is while I don't want to see Chloe in danger it just doesn't sit right that she hasn't had her share of real troubles this season. I think we're going get exactly what you describe in the season finale: Clark stripped of all his support and forced to decide on his own what's best. It will be good for him. He will be forced to really think for once and that's something he doesn't seem to do with Chloe around.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by chlarklove
Well, seeing as how Clark was in HONDURAS at the time when all that was happening, I don't see how he could've "saved the day" so to speak. Even though he is the future Superman, he's not him yet, and he can't be in two places at once.

First, Chloe has struggles and conflicts with maturity, ethics, friendship etc and she's a horrible friend who betrayed Clark and isn't worthy. Her deal with Lionel continually gets brought up time and time again, even though she's paid for it and grown and matured from it. Now, she's redeemed herself to Clark, and is trying to redeem herself to the fans (that's what they're trying to do by her role this season, IMO anyways) by making her Clark's confidante and partner. So you think she's too perfect and even would go as far to say she has to die? WTH? That doesn't even make sense.

Chloe has ALWAYS been capable and competent, the one to put the pieces together and figure things out. The only reason why it seems like overload is cause she has a more active role this season being in on Clark's secret.

Chloe has no struggles or conflicts this season. Anything or anyone in her way she takes care of without facing any consequences whatsoever. In my mind, the writers have taken a very dangerous thing, Clark telling someone his secret, and have made a joke out of it. That's what the Chloe/Clark friendship has become, a joke. Where's the drama with Chloe knowing the secret? Where's the danger? Where's the intelligence from Brainiac and Lex, two guys where one knows for sure that Chloe knows Clark's secret and the other suspects it. I'll admit that earlier in the season it was nice to see, but now it's getting to be too much. Clark is superman, not Chloe. I said it before and I'll say it again, Chloe is occupying three roles, Clark's, Lana's and Lois'. The writers have made her a better reporter than Lois will ever become, which is a joke, they've made her best friends with Clark who knows the secret, something that Lana should be if you read most of the comics, and they have made her be the brains of the show while Clark stands around and looks like an idiot. Plus, to top it off, she actually is able to overpower people and get away with it. How in the world did she stop Lex from shooting her in Lockdown? If you watch that scene, it's like Lex is just standing there like a girl holding the gun while Chloe grabs his arm and pushes it away from her. And Lex being hypnotized is no excuse, Martha didn't seem to have a problem with holding the gun on Lois until who else, but Chloe comes along and knocks her out.

[savingpeoplething]

I agree that it would be nice to have Chloe actually be the one in danger and Clark have to step up to save her...
I think it just seems too much lately because of "Splinter", "Solitude", and then last week with "Hypnotic" as well. It's just been too much at one time. Maybe if it was more spread out it would be more realistic. Chloe's going to put herself in those situations because it's in her personality to help those in need and sometimes, she comes out the the heroine. If she didn't try to figure things out and have an active role in solving the mystery, then I would question her character.
But, in some ways, I like to think of it as maybe Chloe setting the example for Clark. Sure, he's saved people in the past and will become a great hero in the future, but he said in "Tomb" that he respected her for "caring about people more than anyone else he knew". I like that because Chloe watches out for everyone, even Lex and Lana, who don't appreciate her.
I would hope Clark would see Chloe as a standard in compassion and learn from her.

[cotton candy girl]

This story isn't about Clark learning to become Superman from Chloe. What in the world gives Chloe the right to fill those shoes? I'm not a comic buff, but shouldn't his upbringing and training he is supposed to receive fill that role? I understand that Chloe's selfless and caring, but making her the standard for Clark (which I don't think TPTB have in mind anyway) is wrong and unprecedented, imo.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
I agree that it would be nice to have Chloe actually be the one in danger and Clark have to step up to save her...
I think it just seems too much lately because of "Splinter", "Solitude", and then last week with "Hypnotic" as well. It's just been too much at one time. Maybe if it was more spread out it would be more realistic. Chloe's going to put herself in those situations because it's in her personality to help those in need and sometimes, she comes out the the heroine. If she didn't try to figure things out and have an active role in solving the mystery, then I would question her character.
But, in some ways, I like to think of it as maybe Chloe setting the example for Clark. Sure, he's saved people in the past and will become a great hero in the future, but he said in "Tomb" that he respected her for "caring about people more than anyone else he knew". I like that because Chloe watches out for everyone, even Lex and Lana, who don't appreciate her.
I would hope Clark would see Chloe as a standard in compassion and learn from her.

I don't doubt that she is a good person, I just don't view her as a realistic character anymore. It's one thing to make someone good, but it's another to make them go beyond their potential week after week. I really do have to say that Chloe mostly bothers me because Clark looks so bad in comparison. That's just not the way it should be, especially in season 5. Chloe just learned Clark's secret this year and already she knows more about Clark than he probably knows about himself.


Originally posted by cotton candy girl
This story isn't about Clark learning to become Superman from Chloe. What in the world gives Chloe the right to fill those shoes? I'm not a comic buff, but shouldn't his upbringing and training one day fill that role?

I agree, it's JorEl who teaches Clark, certainly not Chloe. Another example of it being unrealistic.

[savingpeoplething]

I agree that Clark should learn to be Superman from Jor-El and all of that, but I was just saying that it seems like this season has been about Chloe pushing him towards his destiny. She's always encouraging him to be better, to think about his future...She's the character that's always making the Superman comments (that we would pick up on, but that they have no idea about yet)...
I think it's just another way to look at the Chloe factor, instead of just saying "why is it always Chloe saving the day"?
I guess I shouldn't have said "standard", but just that, as an alien, he could learn from a human being who has no super powers, but goes out of her way to do right by and for others.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
I agree that Clark should learn to be Superman from Jor-El and all of that, but I was just saying that it seems like this season has been about Chloe pushing him towards his destiny. She's always encouraging him to be better, to think about his future...She's the character that's always making the Superman comments (that we would pick up on, but that they have no idea about yet)...
I think it's just another way to look at the Chloe factor, instead of just saying "why is it always Chloe saving the day"?
I guess I shouldn't have said "standard", but just that, as an alien, he could learn from a human being who has no super powers, but goes out of her way to do right by and for others.

I agree with what you say, but I'm just tired of Chloe almost being the alien here. She can give all of the advice in the world to Clark, but when she is getting her hands dirty both by using her reporters instincts and physically every single episode, it makes me tired of how perfect Chloe's character is, especially given the fact that she should be in a ton of danger right now with two of the most evil forces on smallville right now, Lex and Brainiac.

[LastingChlarker]

Well I guess I'm in the minority because I like the fact that Chloe's stepping up and is actually saving people. She was so underused in past seasons that I enjoy her now. Yes, I agree, Clark should step up too. This is the story of Superman so he needs to start being the hero again. But in the meantime, I'll definitely take Chloe being the savior over feeling sorry for Lana(which was what some of the past seasons were all about)

[savingpeoplething]

Originally posted by myankskent
...especially given the fact that she should be in a ton of danger right now with two of the most evil forces on smallville right now, Lex and Brainiac.

I totally agree with this and think if they don't go anywhere with it, there missing a great plotline for future episodes.
Chloe should be in LOADS of trouble. She knows Clark's secret. Lionel KNOWS she KNOWS. Fine KNOWS she KNOWS. I think in some respects, Lex suspects she knows...
Maybe she'll get threatened by the season's end? They did hint at it at the end of this week's episode when Clark and Chloe talk about how Lionel seems to be setting them up.
Clark just seems like he needs to really learn how to get outside of himself sometimes and Chloe helps him do that. He's been consumed with Lana so long, that now without her, he can start to realize as Jonathan told him when he "died" in Void that he would "touch a lot of people", thus becoming Superman.
I believe he will make that leap (pun very much intended here) towards his Super destiny by the finale.

[asparks]

I agree with most of you, Chloe is overstepping her bounds. Nobody can find that much info on somebody unless they are a govt. official. It drives me nuts.

I think that a great season finally should involve Chloe and Lana dueling each other with chains made of Kryptonite so Clark can't get involved, that way we can see one of them disappear forever.

[savingpeoplething]

Originally posted by asparks
I agree with most of you, Chloe is overstepping her bounds. Nobody can find that much info on somebody unless they are a govt. official. It drives me nuts.



Yeah, well, most people can't fly without being in a plane, run at superspeed, catch bullets, or shoot fire from their eyes...
It's a TV show where the abnormal happens.
The way it perplexes people that Chloe has so many contacts and has crazy mad computer skills it just the same on any cop/drama show to me. I mean, how is it that Law & Order cases always seem to get solved? The cops just always find the right evidence and Jack McCoy always has the right words...
Because the show is written that way :)

[asparks]

I agree with you in the fact that it is a TV show and that the abnormal happens, but everytime they need a piece of information she can instantly find it from her laptop. Atleast in Law & Order it takes then an entire show to find the solution.

[savingpeoplething]

Well, if you think in realistic terms (trying to dive back into my TV news experience):
- 5 years of journalism experience (yes, even for a smalltown school newspaper) can lead you to meet lots of people who can make for good contacts later on
- The contacts she makes would have contacts...
- Her computer skills would come with the territory of her research knowledge...great researchers know how to find things
- I'm sure she's also picked up a LOT of things at the DP. She's so dilligent and her love for the craft is so strong that (and I'm purely speculating here, but I guess that's what you do in a speculation thread) she probably picks her coworkers' brains to know how to figure things out.
Sometimes, I laugh at the outrageous "Chloe bypasses the logon page" scenes, but at the same time, it IS possible.
PLUS, Chloe is a character that the writers use anytime they need to set up exposition. She's got to be the one who knows what's going on, who's behind it, and what they need to do to fix the problem. Much like that of the character of Hermione Granger, for any Harry Potter fans out there. :)
Chloe is just an easy way for the writers to get the plot information to the viewer.

[CallMeClark]

But Clark is no where near as intelligent or ambitious as Chloe. He would never know half that stuff without her. She is the sidekick. And really she doesn't "save the day." She merely gives the tip off.

[Pal-El]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
But Clark is no where near as intelligent or ambitious as Chloe. He would never know half that stuff without her. She is the sidekick. And really she doesn't "save the day." She merely gives the tip off.

Well he is actually supposed to have a superior kryptonian brain isnt he?

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I like Chloe, but I'm kind of tired of seeing her constantly be the one who saves the day and does everything for Clark. Truth to tell she's becoming a bit of a deus ex machina. How in the hell did Clark ever survive without Chloe doing everything for him?
It's okay, she'll be leaving the Daily Planet for the FBI, or CIA, or maybe Interpol. Chloe is great but isn't SV about Clark's powers.

[Firebunny]

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
PLUS, Chloe is a character that the writers use anytime they need to set up exposition.

Or anytime they need to get themselves out of a difficult situation.

I'm not mad at Chloe because she's so capable and always saving the day. I'm mad at the writers because they're using the same devise over and over again.

If we go with the Law and Order example, yes, we know the police and lawyers are going to send the badguy away, but we don't know how they're going to do it, and they have to struggle and figure out how to do it. Chloe's not even struggling. She knows right away to log on to Campus security. She knows instinctively to inject Lex with the red serum to bring him back to life. (Me, I would have tried CPR.)

This is lazy writing. The first few times it happened I was okay with it, even enjoyed it, but now it's getting old. And I'm a Chloe fan. I'm not looking for reasons to dislike her.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Firebunny
Or anytime they need to get themselves out of a difficult situation.

I'm not mad at Chloe because she's so capable and always saving the day. I'm mad at the writers because they're using the same devise over and over again.

If we go with the Law and Order example, yes, we know the police and lawyers are going to send the badguy away, but we don't know how they're going to do it, and they have to struggle and figure out how to do it. Chloe's not even struggling. She knows right away to log on to Campus security. She knows instinctively to inject Lex with the red serum to bring him back to life. (Me, I would have tried CPR.)

This is lazy writing. The first few times it happened I was okay with it, even enjoyed it, but now it's getting old. And I'm a Chloe fan. I'm not looking for reasons to dislike her.

I'm just not in favor of Chloe's character right now because she is destroying other characters that can be enhanced. Sure it's nice to have a perfect character in Chloe, but not if it sacrafices the other characters on the show, like Clark, Lois and Lana. How about we see Lois start to step into her role a little and become the main journalist on the show. Chloe's character has basically forced the other characters on the show to either appear stupid all of the time, ie. Lana and Clark, or be a total waste to the show, ie. Lois.

[Billy Jor-El]

I think we're being set up for the battle of Lexana vs. Chlark.

If Chloe ends up leaving the DP for, uh, the FBI or something, maybe she will meet her new partner, Fox Mulder :)

[kal-el_Girl]

Originally posted by myankskent
I think Chloe's character is getting way too close to what Lois' should be and I think it's time Chloe got a little wake up call.

ok here goes my theory:
Lois is going to get killed by lex or someone, and in her memory chloe's pen name is going to be Lois Lane. Therefore I can assure you, that Cloe's the REAL lois lane.

1. chloe's been in love w/ clark since day one
2. she knows clark's secret
and
3. Clark trusts her!

any questions?

[Pal-El]

Originally posted by kal-el_Girl
ok here goes my theory:
Lois is going to get killed by lex or someone, and in her memory chloe's pen name is going to be Lois Lane. Therefore I can assure you, that Cloe's the REAL lois lane.

1. chloe's been in love w/ clark since day one
2. she knows clark's secret
and
3. Clark trusts her!

any questions?

This really does belong in the Chloe=Lois pseudonym thread. Normally I wouldnt bother about it, but the chloe/lois theories get on my nerves:p

[kal-el_Girl]

why? u think that chloe is not worthy of clark?

[shy175223]

no, it just not plausiable. And its not the questions wether Chloe is worthy of Clark or not. Their friendship should stay as it is.

[KAL ORTON]

Originally posted by shy175223
no, it just not plausiable. And its not the questions wether Chloe is worthy of Clark or not. Their friendship should stay as it is.

I agree :)

[Shadow09]

When Clark actually dows the Super suit does he still rely on Chloe to help him save the day... cause if this is anything of the future... then it seems like the PTB are really making Clark turn out to be dumb and rely on others way too much... not that he shouldn't rely on his friends for help... but all the time??? I guess his weakness is being flat out dumb and have Chloe lead him to solving case or mystery and the kryptonite well is his weakness but not nearly as much to him being naive...

[kal-el_Girl]

he wil be superman but he will never clarivoaint, he needs help from his "contacts"

[Deana]

Help, not hand holding like a green child next to Super Chloe and her trusty notebook side kick.

[myankskent]

They don't need Chloe to hold Clark's hand all of the time. It's gotten so ridiculous that Chloe is the one who actually calls the shots. She makes the decisions and Clark uses his superpowers. That's not who superman is.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by myankskent
They don't need Chloe to hold Clark's hand all of the time. It's gotten so ridiculous that Chloe is the one who actually calls the shots. She makes the decisions and Clark uses his superpowers. That's not who superman is.

Right. By now Clark should be leading the investigations and suggesting avenues of interest. They've spent so much time together that Clark should picked up a thing or two from Chloe. Not that I want to minimize Chloe's importance or her character but Clark definitely needs to grow in this area.

The show has almost become formulaic where Clark comes to Chloe with a problem, she uses her Mystery Machine (tm) to solve a piece of the puzzle, Clark runs off to beat up the bad guys/save Lana/Martha/whomever, Clark then meets up with Chloe afterward in the loft/Daily Planet for their heart to heart.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Chloe, but Clark really needs to grow a brain. I am sick of them depicting him as so utterly lacking in intelligence and frankly it's really starting to p!iss me off.

[i love u tom]

i guess because it's still the 5th season the writers are trying to exaggerate chloe knowing clark's secret. so they make her a sidekick. i agree that it is making clark looking less resourceful. if they let him find out some stuff on his own instead of chloe being the lead all the time, it would show more to his future daily planet job.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Nospam
Right. By now Clark should be leading the investigations and suggesting avenues of interest. They've spent so much time together that Clark should picked up a thing or two from Chloe. Not that I want to minimize Chloe's importance or her character but Clark definitely needs to grow in this area.

The show has almost become formulaic where Clark comes to Chloe with a problem, she uses her Mystery Machine (tm) to solve a piece of the puzzle, Clark runs off to beat up the bad guys/save Lana/Martha/whomever, Clark then meets up with Chloe afterward in the loft/Daily Planet for their heart to heart.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Chloe, but Clark really needs to grow a brain. I am sick of them depicting him as so utterly lacking in intelligence and frankly it's really starting to p!iss me off.

well said.

[ms.c.]

I love how capable Chloe is. It's great to see a smart young woman who is able to take care of herself. Chloe is a great role model for young girls. I think the Chlark partnership is great as it is. i have no complaints about it. To me, both of them contribute to making it work which I think is great and nice to see.

[KAL ORTON]

I think Chloe is a bit too capable.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by ms.c.
I love how capable Chloe is. It's great to see a smart young woman who is able to take care of herself. Chloe is a great role model for young girls. I think the Chlark partnership is great as it is. i have no complaints about it. To me, both of them contribute to making it work which I think is great and nice to see.

I have no complaints about their partnership either as I love the Chlark interactions. It's just that it's a very lopsided relationship where Chloe does all the thinking and Clark does all the "Clark smash" action. It's too one sided, that's all. Let's see Clark think his way around or through a problem. That's doesn't mean I don't want to see Chloe help or minimize her role. I just want Clark to step up.

[KAL ORTON]

Exactly.

[chlarklove]

Let's see Clark think his way around or through a problem.

He has, I can think of 2 just off the top of my head this season, alone.

Mortal: He came up with a way of getting in Level 3, but Chloe had a more simple way. :p And he also thought up to use Chloe's flash bang to save his family.

Hidden: He thought up the idea to trap Gabriel. Though, that didn't work out that well cause he got shot, but that was poor execution. I mean, who just jumps out and yells "Gabriel, which silo did you activate?" It was mainly a plot contrivance to get Clark shot and for him to die.

Still, those 2 were him WITHOUT POWERS. Again, the reason why it seems like overload is cause Chloe is in on the secret so they work together on things now.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Deus ex machina is a Latin phrase that refers to an unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or event introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a situation or untangle a plot.

Thanks for the latin lesson.

Chloe has a lot of fans so I don't see her currently as a plot device.

[cotton candy girl]

But also: "The phrase has been extended to refer to any resolution to a story which does not pay due regard to the story's internal logic and is so unlikely it challenges suspension of disbelief; allowing the author to conclude the story with an unlikely, but more palatable ending."

In my opinion, this applies to Chloe's stoyrlines, what with her abilitiy to constantly resolve issues with such ease and be the hero, without finding her self in hardly ANY danger; her storylines have become like a deus ex machina.

[erances23]

if anything maybe the writers are just brewing something really good for a climactic storyline between clark and chloe. think about it, for how many times the writers tried real hard to conclude the clana storyline most likely because they want to emphasize how deep the relationship between them, they had to conclude it right. if thats the case, then since its all done for they could focus more on the magnitude of the implications that might happen between chlark.... but thats just my opinion...

special mention on the greatest chloevage i ever laid my eyes on; the scene where she's in her dorm in a red blouse and she got a phone call from lex looking for lana-----OH--MY--F***ING----GOD!!!!

[Nospam]

Originally posted by chlarklove
He has, I can think of 2 just off the top of my head this season, alone.

Mortal: He came up with a way of getting in Level 3, but Chloe had a more simple way. :p And he also thought up to use Chloe's flash bang to save his family.

Hidden: He thought up the idea to trap Gabriel. Though, that didn't work out that well cause he got shot, but that was poor execution. I mean, who just jumps out and yells "Gabriel, which silo did you activate?" It was mainly a plot contrivance to get Clark shot and for him to die.

Still, those 2 were him WITHOUT POWERS. Again, the reason why it seems like overload is cause Chloe is in on the secret so they work together on things now.

It's funny you picked my top two episodes this season, besides Arrival, as examples. You're right, Clark does basically resolve both situations with his own thinking in both those episodes. Clark and Chloe were a remarkable team in Mortal and Hidden and they were a joy to watch.

Now, when Clark regains his powers we're suddenly were back to the same formula in seasons past of Clark comes to Chloe with a problem, Chloe discovers the clues and Clark beats up the bad guys. While Clark does have moments of inspiration such as shaking the pop can of the guard to distract him in Lockdown, it's just really grating to see Clark depicted as so utterly clueless.

[Clair de Lune]

But are the writers making Clark seem somewhat clueless because of all the stuff he's been through (Papa Kent's death, break-up with Lana)? Doesn't Clark seem sort of "out of it" lately? Maybe they're trying to portray him as being in a depressed funk right now, and Chloe is playing HIS hero for a while. It definitely makes him seem less god-like, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that even if it is straying from the original Superman character.

I kind of like Chloe as the hero in these past few episodes. What I don't like is Clark not appreciating her (verbally) for all the times lately that she's been there for him (as a friend and for saving others!) And I think we need to see a deeper relationship between Clark and Chloe, whether or not it's as lovers.

[Watching Smallville]

I think Chloe is the same as ever. She's just older. As a champion butt-insky, she inserts herself into situations. That's why she's able to help. There's good and bad about that quality. We've seen the harm it can do in previous sesons. This season we're seeing the good that interfering and snooping can do. It's a quality Clark needs to develop in some degree if he's ever going to be Superman.

And Chloe does have a struggle this season. She's keeping her feelings in check where it comes to Clark. Not an easy thing. And we see every week how hard this is for her.

One thing I find interesting is that the only one who seems to go toe to toe with Chloe is Lois. I really like their interactions and their scenes together. Chloe isn't saving the day for Lois. I think the other characters need to step up, rather than having Chloe step down.

[attitudejc]

but shes not saving just clark. she just does it more often.:p i mean, take void, she tried to save lana, did save lex, and didn't save clark.

[Watching Smallville]

I know. She's everywhere. It's a bit of a stretch, but I think it's because she's always investigating. It takes her where the trouble is, and she tries to help. The gun bit with Simone was a little over the line, but otherwise, I'm not having much of a problem with Chloe's heroics.

[savingpeoplething]

Originally posted by myankskent
How about we see Lois start to step into her role a little and become the main journalist on the show. Chloe's character has basically forced the other characters on the show to either appear stupid all of the time, ie. Lana and Clark, or be a total waste to the show, ie. Lois.

Unfortunately because of how they have chosen NOT to develop Lois, making her into the "main journalist on the show" would take a few more seasons for it to be believable.
And, don't blame Chloe for Clark and Lana's retardedness (sorry for the lack of a better word)...sometimes, we just have to come to grips that they are the way they are and of course, that is all the fault of the writing.
Maybe if Clark and Lana paid a little more attention to schoolwork and their future, they'd be in line with Chloe's character :)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
Unfortunately because of how they have chosen NOT to develop Lois, making her into the "main journalist on the show" would take a few more seasons for it to be believable.
And, don't blame Chloe for Clark and Lana's retardedness (sorry for the lack of a better word)...sometimes, we just have to come to grips that they are the way they are and of course, that is all the fault of the writing.
Maybe if Clark and Lana paid a little more attention to schoolwork and their future, they'd be in line with Chloe's character :)

I don't think it has anything to do with schoolwork, it has to do with Chloe's character being the problem solver on the show. When you have one person solving all of the problems, you have to make all of the other characters stupid so they can't beat Chloe to the punch. All I'm saying is how about balancing it out and putting some intelligence into the other characters rather than putting all of it into Chloe. I understand that Chloe has been the problem solver throughout the series, but now she is solving Kryptonian related problems as well. It's just getting a little out of hand.

[savingpeoplething]

I can understand that it is getting out of hand with Chloe, but I don't think it will last too much longer.
Even among Clark's stupidity lately, I think they're starting to take him into a take charge mindset. I saw a little hope in "Void" when he went searching for Fine with only some superspeed and a printout to find the spaceship. Chloe didn't help him in Honduras...just gave him a starting point.
Now as far as Chloe decoding some Kryptonian code or secret, yeah, that's probably a little far-fetched, but well, we are to go with it because it's part of the subplot to help Clark get to where he needs to be.
I only mentioned the schoolwork aspect to show that Chloe seems to be the go-to-can-do-everything girl and still finds time to study and go to class :) Her character is progressing in her studies and career, whereas Clark's and Lana's seem to be in somewhat of a standstill at this point because they had been too focused on themselves and their relationship. This does need to change in the future, especially with Clark, and I think we'll see some of that at the end of this season.