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angelfire east

04-06-2006, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Why Lana believes to be alone? One word: Clark. Actually more than one, Clark and the secrets and lies. If Clark were to open up to her, then she wouldn't be alone. As for Lana needing help, that's a given! However, it's not like anyone is rushing to help her. Clark can't do it, especially now and never could, because he keeps secrets. Lex sure as heck can't, Lois probably wouldn't help, Chloe's too busy to do anything. Aunt Nell has her own life. I don't think anyone is capable of helping Lana. Clark would have been the only one.

Did you read my whole post, this started with Lana before she was close with Clark. She's never connected with Nell and we saw no reason she couldn't (Nell was loving), she was with Whitney but wasn't happy. (started her line of leaning on men and never being happy for very long)

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe tried to help this episode, but Lana wouldn't talk to her. I'm also pretty sure Aunt Nell is there if Lana ever needs anything. Last episode, Lana ended up at Nell's place after Hypno!Clark broke up with her. All Lana needs to do is reach out. It's unfair to blame this all on Clark and his secrecy.

I agree. It's not like Chloe's turned her back on Lana. She's trying to be there for her.

Kreukie

04-06-2006, 10:44 PM

Lana never has had anyone stable in her life.

Even with Nell, once Nell moved away she was never heard of or seen from again until last week’s episode!

Clark at least has had the Kent and Lex at least had Lionel and still look how screwed up he's turning out to be.

Lana does need help, after a relationship like the one she had with Jason, then with Clark before Jason and post Jason, one has to wonder why the girl hasn't killed herself already!

She has no idea why Clark doesn't want to let her in or doesn't want to be with her.

Lana emotionally broken and unstable before Clark and Clark just made it worse over the years by trying at a relationship with her, promising her things that he ended up breaking after everything.

And those who say that Lana not letting the people who love her in, what was Clark?

Who else does she have to turn to? Chloe, who's only friends with Lana through the guy who ripped out her heart out for the 100th time?

myankskent

04-06-2006, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east

I agree. It's not like Chloe's turned her back on Lana. She's trying to be there for her.

Yeah but I think Chloe is stepping in too late in the ballgame. I'm not saying that Lana hates Chloe for not being there for her. I just think that Chloe has made her choice where she places Clark at the top of her list and everyone else is below him. Just look at this season with Chloe's screentime. She has had much more screentime with Clark than anyone else.

savingpeoplething

04-06-2006, 10:50 PM

And, when has Lana ever proven herself to be a good friend to Chloe that Chloe would even WANT to be there for her?
I think it shows a tremendous amount about Chloe's character that she would even a) consider Lana part of her family, b) want to be roommates with her (while she's dating the guy that Chloe is still in love with), and c) is friends with Lana, even though, she (Lana) never really gives any indication she cares about her (Chloe's) life at all.
I can't even believe some think that Chloe "has turned her back on Lana". You have the right to believe that, but just thinking about all the times Lana pushed Chloe out of the way to be with Clark makes me think differently. Lana has just never seemed to really ever be the kind of friend back to Chloe that Chloe is to her.

myankskent

04-06-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
And, when has Lana ever proven herself to be a good friend to Chloe that Chloe would even WANT to be there for her?
I think it shows a tremendous amount about Chloe's character that she would even a) consider Lana part of her family, b) want to be roommates with her (while she's dating the guy that Chloe is still in love with), and c) is friends with Lana, even though, she (Lana) never really gives any indication she cares about her (Chloe's) life at all.
I can't even believe some think that Chloe "has turned her back on Lana". You have the right to believe that, but just thinking about all the times Lana pushed Chloe out of the way to be with Clark makes me think differently. Lana has just never seemed to really ever be the kind of friend back to Chloe that Chloe is to her.

How about in Tomb when Lana went to Lex because she thought he could help Chloe? And lets face it, when has Chloe been in trouble where she has needed help from Lana? Since she learned Clark's secret back in season 4, she has been in absolutely no trouble to speak of with the exception of tomb.

And as for the Chloe/Clark/Lana triangle, well before Lana dated Clark in season 2, she told Chloe how she felt about Clark and Chloe told her to go for it because Clark felt the same way about her. So in my opinion, this whole idea of Lana getting together with Clark behind Chloe's back is ridiculous. Clark and lana hid the fact that they were actually together from Chloe, but long before it happened, Lana did get the ok from Chloe on the issue. I think many people forget about that.

Kryptonian Snake

04-06-2006, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Yeah but I think Chloe is stepping in too late in the ballgame. I'm not saying that Lana hates Chloe for not being there for her. I just think that Chloe has made her choice where she places Clark at the top of her list and everyone else is below him. Just look at this season with Chloe's screentime. She has had much more screentime with Clark than anyone else.
Chloe has been there for Lana since they became roommates in season 2. I think that's why she was so shocked and upset when Lana admitted in "Truth" that she didn't trust Chloe and that she never really felt like a part of the Sullivan family. Even last season, when Lana went to Chloe to talk about her relationship with Jason ("Unsafe"), Chloe stopped what she was doing, listened, and gave her advice. I'm sure if Lana stopped by the Daily Planet or left a note in the dorm asking Chloe if they could talk, Chloe would make time. To me, that's the definition of "being there" for someone.

Even when Chloe spends time with Clark, it's usually Clark who goes to see her at work or at her dorm to get advice or mope around until Chloe asks him what's wrong. She usually ends up putting whatever she's doing on hold and listening to Clark's problem(s).

angelfire east

04-06-2006, 11:18 PM

Lana has been running to Chloe everytime her and Clark have a fight. (Really not the nicest thing in the world when she knows how Chloe feels about Clark but lets not get into that) and Chloe sounds like she there for Lana. She sounds like she hears from and listens to Lana before she talks with Clark a lot of the time. She's always in there trying to get Clark to tell Lana the truth.

Anyway back to Lana making herself alone. When it comes to Chloe, she never got close to her either. Chloe asked Lana to be her room mate, called her a sister but I never got the feeling Lana felt the same way or really wanted too. In season 4 when Clark wasn't in the way of their relaionship Lana wasn't getting closer to Chloe. In fact in season 4 she putted away more (I've got a KK interevew with quote about it).

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe has been there for Lana since they became roommates in season 2. I think that's why she was so shocked and upset when Lana admitted in "Truth" that she didn't trust Chloe and that she never really felt like a part of the Sullivan family. Even last season, when Lana went to Chloe to talk about her relationship with Jason ("Unsafe"), Chloe stopped what she was doing, listened, and gave her advice. I'm sure if Lana stopped by the Daily Planet or left a note in the dorm asking Chloe if they could talk, Chloe would make time. To me, that's the definition of "being there" for someone.

Even when Chloe spends time with Clark, it's usually Clark who goes to see her at work or at her dorm to get advice or mope around until Chloe asks him what's wrong. She usually ends up putting whatever she's doing on hold and listening to Clark's problem(s).

You always say these things better then I do.:)

SmallvilleMan

04-06-2006, 11:32 PM

Did you read my whole post, this started with Lana before she was close with Clark. She's never connected with Nell and we saw no reason she couldn't (Nell was loving), she was with Whitney but wasn't happy. (started her line of leaning on men and never being happy for very long)

I didn't think Nell was that loving. I thought she was okay. Whitney had to rely on Lana in their relationship. My point is, the only person capable of helping Lana would be Clark, without the secrets and lies.

Chloe has been there for Lana since they became roommates in season 2. I think that's why she was so shocked and upset when Lana admitted in "Truth" that she didn't trust Chloe and that she never really felt like a part of the Sullivan family. Even last season, when Lana went to Chloe to talk about her relationship with Jason ("Unsafe"), Chloe stopped what she was doing, listened, and gave her advice. I'm sure if Lana stopped by the Daily Planet or left a note in the dorm asking Chloe if they could talk, Chloe would make time. To me, that's the definition of "being there" for someone.

I don't think she has been there for Lana as much as you say. ESPECIALLY in season 2, where she was jealous of Clark and Lana the whole season. Chloe's more there for Clark.

amberdawn

04-06-2006, 11:40 PM

I think youre giving Clark way too much credit. Lana is capable of helping herself you know.

mobiusklein

04-06-2006, 11:43 PM

The only person capable of helping Lana is LANA. Is Lana responsible for Chloe's happiness or Martha Kent's happiness? Is Lana to blame if Clark is miserable? Why do so many Lana fans diss the woman who raised her? Lana is purposely choosing a DREAM over reality.

Frankly, if I was Chloe, I'd be more there for Clark as well. God help me but I'd laugh in Lana's face if she asked me for help after she ran off to Paris w/o helping me in my time of need.

I feel like some Lana fans are saying that it's Clark's fault that she became a junkie. I'm sorry but a lot of people have problems but I don't let people who get divorced because their spouse was cheating on them be considered faultless if they take smack.

angelfire east

04-06-2006, 11:45 PM

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the Nell stand point, me and you have talked that one too death and I don't feel like getting into it.

There are people Lana can turn to if she wants and would let them help. But she doesn't. She's not alone but makes herslf alone.

I think she has, she's never tried to hurt Lana or irong her or anythign like that. (she done it to Clark with the Lionel thing).

What I was saying is she was trying to bring Lana into her family and Lana wasn't really wanting it or into it.

Kreukie

04-06-2006, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
I feel like some Lana fans are saying that it's Clark's fault that she became a junkie.

Lana fans? I guess Chloe is a Lana fan. :)

It was Chloe who said it first before any "Lana fan" that it was pretty much Clark's fault Lana turned to those drugs.

I know I didn't blame just Clark way of treating Lana as to why she's screwed up, but just things in general that have happned to her... Clark being one of the big factors as of recent.

Geez, Lana didn't even blame Clark as the factor as to why she turned to the drugs.

Kryptonian Snake

04-06-2006, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I don't think she has been there for Lana as much as you say. ESPECIALLY in season 2, where she was jealous of Clark and Lana the whole season. Chloe's more there for Clark.
Even in season 2, Chloe, in spite of her own feelings, told Lana to go out with Clark in "Rush". But even if we ignore season 2, how has Chloe not been there for Lana from season 3 until now? What do you think could/should Chloe be doing differently?

SmallvilleMan

04-06-2006, 11:57 PM

I think youre giving Clark way too much credit. Lana is capable of helping herself you know.

She is capable of helping herself, but when you go through what she's been through, it's incredibly hard. I'd say one out of 10000000 people would be able to go through what she has and without anyone helping them, get through it.

The only person capable of helping Lana is LANA. Is Lana responsible for Chloe's happiness or Martha Kent's happiness? Is Lana to blame if Clark is miserable? Why do so many Lana fans diss the woman who raised her? Lana is purposely choosing a DREAM over reality.

I didn't diss the woman who raised her, did I? I don't what happen the 10 years she lived with Nell. All I can go by, is what I saw. And what I saw, was an aunt who looked out of place raising a daughter. Like she had no idea what Lana wanted or who she was and so on.

I feel like some Lana fans are saying that it's Clark's fault that she became a junkie. I'm sorry but a lot of people have problems but I don't let people who get divorced because their spouse was cheating on them be considered faultless if they take smack.

Never said it was Clark's fault. Did he have a part in it, maybe, because of the way he handled things. But doing what she did, it was on her and i don't think your comparison applies.

What I was saying is she was trying to bring Lana into her family and Lana wasn't really wanting it or into it.

A family she really didn't know and maybe she didn't want in, because she wanted to be with Clark. Who knows.

I think there are people capable of helping Lana if she'd let them. But she doesn't.

I don't, because of what happened with Clark and i don't think they're capable of it either.

Kryptonian Snake

04-06-2006, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east
You always say these things better then I do.:)
:) Thank you!

Kreukie

04-07-2006, 12:07 AM

Chloe fans have as much blinders as Lana fans. :lol:

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Even in season 2, Chloe, in spite of her own feelings, told Lana to go out with Clark in "Rush".

What other choice did she have? Tell Lana to not go out with Clark when she clearly knew they both liked each other and Clark had zero feelings for her in that way? Yeah, Chloe such a hero for allowing Lana to date Clark.

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 12:08 AM

Even in season 2, Chloe, in spite of her own feelings, told Lana to go out with Clark in "Rush". But even if we ignore season 2, how has Chloe not been there for Lana from season 3 until now? What do you think could/should Chloe be doing differently?

What should Chloe have done? Told Lana not to go out with Clark? I don't see that as being there for her. I see that as her being polite and a decent person. If she said no, then she would not only be a bad friend, but a bad person. It isn't Chloe's right anyone to tell Lana that she can go out with Clark, when Chloe wouldn't think twice about it if it were the other way around. What did Chloe do in season 3? Well, let's talk about before that. After Clark left, Chloe obviously gave it to Lana, for lying to her about lana's relationship with Clark. Which is proven, when Lana says, "I've apologized to you a milion times about not telling you about Clark and me." There's one instance, where Chloe should have been there, but was obviously still upset, because they didn't tell her, like it's her right to know right away. And what did Chloe do in season 3? I didn't see her trying to comfort Lana about what happened with her and Clark. So tell me, what did she do? Season 4, they had a nice little talk about Jason. Chloe helped her there, can't think of anything else she did. Season 5, I liked the way Chloe was in the early toward Lana, don't like the way she is now. If she wanted to be there for Lana, she'd tell what happened in reckoning(nothing about Clark's secret, just everything else). Which IMO, is the point of being a best friend, helping them or telling them something when they need to hear it the most.

angelfire east

04-07-2006, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
A family she really didn't know and maybe she didn't want in, because she wanted to be with Clark. Who knows.

She's always going on about family and said how lucky Ryan was to have one even thought it was abuseve.

What does being wanting to be with Clark have to do with becoming a part of a family? Chloe trying to being supportve of Lana.

Kreukie

04-07-2006, 12:23 AM

Yeah, Chloe such a good friend that she forgot to watch over Lana during Reckoning when Clark told her exactly when to watch over her.

She did it all day, but right when she had to have all eyes on Lana she wonders off to tell Clark "I've been keep my eye on Lana all day."

Good lap dog she is, she had to inform Clark about than, at that very moment rather than doing it hours before when it wasn't important or at least when the night was over.

Really I can't blame Chloe for that, I blame stupid writing.

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
What did Chloe do in season 3? Season 4, they had a nice little talk about Jason. Chloe helped her there, can't think of anything else she did.
I brought up the talk about Jason because, to me, that's the very definition of being there for someone. Lana needed to talk and Chloe was all ears.

As far as Clark was concerned, Lana didn't seem too broken up after they split at the beginning of season 3. She was definitely confused as to why Clark pulled away and she wanted to get back together, but I never got the impression that she was sobbing at night over the break up or anything. Lana's issues were with Clark, and I'm not sure how Chloe could have helped her through that since she had no idea why Clark behaved the way he did. If nothing else, Chloe told Lana that breaking up was Clark's loss and even defended her decision to date Seth when Clark was jealous/suspiscious ("Magnetic"). What did Chloe do for Lana in season 3? She investigated Adam and warned Lana to be careful of him. She visited Lana in the hospital during her recovery after getting trampled in "Shattered". She helped solve the murder of Louise in "Relic". In season 4 she tried to find out what happened to Jason in "Scare". She also dug up information for Lana about Jason's family tree.

I'm not saying that Chloe should be annointed for sainthood or anything. I'm just pointing out examples of her being a friend to Lana over the years. When Lana asks for help, Chloe readily gives it.

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 12:48 AM

What does being wanting to be with Clark have to do with becoming a part of a family? Chloe trying to being supportve of Lana.

Because that's why Lana didn't go with Nell to Metropolis. What other family has Lana been a part of? I don't think Chloe supports her like a best friend should, as a friend yes. Best friend, no.

SOTK

04-07-2006, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by MBCorp
I think Lana needs therapy.

The girl is messed up and I'm not just saying that because I don't like her. She is seriously warped.

I agree. Lana is messed up. Frankly, I am really tired of her insecurities, unresolved loss of loved one issues, etc. She needs to kick back with some Dr. Phil books in a log cabin out in the middle of nowhere for a while.

angelfire east

04-07-2006, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Kreukie
Really I can't blame Chloe for that, I blame stupid writing.

You can blame Clark for that! We never saw Clark tell Chloe that Lana leaves at the party. Also why didn't Clark say "Chloe this is when Lana leaves, go to her" instead of talking to her. I sure if he had said that right away Chloe would have ran back to Lana. Or Clark himself could have ran to Lana to stop her. He just have too keep her busy for a short while. I'm sure Chloe could get something worked out. A smart thing would be for Clark to go rack Lana's car somehow or steal her keys so she couldn't leave. The man has super speed, I sure if he put his mind to it he could have stopped her.

Another thing about Chloe, Lana said at the beinning of the episode she had to lost her room mate. I got out of that Chloe's been keeping a watchful eye on her friend and is worried about her. And has been trying to get Lana to open up about things.

Anyway I stand my my first post I think it's lana.

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 01:27 PM

You can blame Clark for that! We never saw Clark tell Chloe that Lana leaves at the party. Also why didn't Clark say "Chloe this is when Lana leaves, go to her" instead of talking to her. I sure if he had said that right away Chloe would have ran back to Lana. Or Clark himself could have ran to Lana to stop her. He just have too keep her busy for a short while. I'm sure Chloe could get something worked out. A smart thing would be for Clark to go rack Lana's car somehow or steal her keys so she couldn't leave. The man has super speed, I sure if he put his mind to it he could have stopped her.

AE, it isn't Lana, it's Clark AND Lana. Even though I dislike how Chloe has been a best friend, she's way ahead of Clark and Lana in everything. The writers have completely destroyed Lana's character this season. I know some people this she was already bad or her character was bad before this, but i disagree. This season has killed Lana's character and made her look horrible. The same can be said for Clark. Clark has no clue, which that episode above shows. Chloe, well flawed in her own right, is way ahead.

mobiusklein

04-07-2006, 01:31 PM

MBCorp

04-07-2006, 01:41 PM

I'm tired of Clark and Chloe being blamed for every mistake that Lana makes. Lana did bad in this episode and she didn't really have to pay for it besides a rather apathetic apology to Lex. Lana wasn't even under any sort of a mind whammy type thing, she was herself throughout the entire episode and she made many dumb and harmful choices and it's annoying that she didn't take responsiblity for her actions and people are blaming the other characters for her mistakes.

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 01:43 PM

SmallvilleMan, this is the same girl who ghoulishly announced she had replaced her parents with Clark in Perry. She's always been really twiggy especially berating Clark in Magnetic that Magneto!boy made her feel warm and loved and told her the truth and thought Ryan was lucky in Ryan and thought her situation was worse. It's always been there.

Replaced her parents? She can't replace something that isn't there and her parents arent there. What she was saying, was that someone important, who she loved was in her life now. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, why should have kept obsessing about her parents, THEY'RE DEAD. In magnetic, was making a point. Why is that hard to see? She wasn't saying, "Clark I loved getting raped." She was saying, "Clark I like how he wasn't afraid to show me who he was." HINT HINT Clark, she wants you to do the same. What she said to Ryan was how he was lucky to be with the Kents. See, that's what I called just Lana hating. Picking out things like that and twisting them to make Lana look back, when bad things weren't said nor were meant to be said on her part. Purposely being mean to Chloe and hating on Clark badly in Void, that's a bad thing.

I'm tired of Clark and Chloe being blamed for every mistake that Lana makes. Lana did bad in this episode and she didn't really have to pay for it besides a rather apathetic apology to Lex. Lana wasn't even under any sort of a mind whammy type thing, she was herself throughout the entire episode and she made many dumb and harmful choices and it's annoying that she didn't take responsiblity for her actions and people are blaming the other characters for her mistakes.

Oh Geez:rolleyes: Here we go:p

angelfire east

04-07-2006, 01:46 PM

It's been there before Clark, it's been there with Nell and with Chloe (before she was in love 'love' with Clark).

Clark is no angel, I've been really down on all season for his actions but this can't be put all on him. He played a part yes but it's been there before Clark and will be there after Clark.

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 01:51 PM

It's been there before Clark, it's been there with Nell and with Chloe (before she was in love 'love' with Clark).

Like I said before, I don't think Nell was that great of a mother type nor was she ready for it. I think she was thrown into it. How was Lana suppose to be in a 'family' with Chloe? I mean honestly, they're barely even best friends. It's not like Chloe was offering Lana to come on family outings or we saw them have family dinner. Heck, we don't even know how Chloe's family life wasl hardly saw her and her dad together. It's not like Lana was set up with these great family situations and failed to take advantage of them.

MBCorp

04-07-2006, 01:54 PM

angelfire east

04-07-2006, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
I'm tired of Clark and Chloe being blamed for every mistake that Lana makes. Lana did bad in this episode and she didn't really have to pay for it besides a rather apathetic apology to Lex. Lana wasn't even under any sort of a mind whammy type thing, she was herself throughout the entire episode and she made many dumb and harmful choices and it's annoying that she didn't take responsiblity for her actions and people are blaming the other characters for her mistakes.

I agree!

tjpw fanatic

04-07-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by clarksmuse
No, angelfire... I think you hit the nail on the perverbial head. I thought of that myself.

agreed!!

Originally posted by MBCorp
I think Lana needs therapy.

The girl is messed up and I'm not just saying that because I don't like her. She is seriously warped.

agreed to that too

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 02:22 PM

Lana could take out a machine gun and start mowing the other characters down, plot world domination and seek to destroy life as we know it, and then go out and kick a puppy, and people would still find excuses for her behavior and blame evil old Chloe and Clark for everything.

And Lana could save the world, save billions of people and sacrifice herself to save superman and get blamed for not doing it right. This is a two way street and I fail to see the point of you to keep saying it. Lana haters, NEVER and I MEAN NEVER reconize anything good about Lana. Lana fans at least, can admit she has flaws.

Can you give some examples of this? Because all I saw during season 1 when we actually saw Nell was a loving and caring woman who went out of her way to make her niece happy.

She wasn't too supportive of Lana quitting the cheerleading team. I didn't see her helping Lana save the Talon either. I don't see this Loving and caring Nell you speak of.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
It's not like Chloe was offering Lana to come on family outings or we saw them have family dinner. Heck, we don't even know how Chloe's family life wasl hardly saw her and her dad together. It's not like Lana was set up with these great family situations and failed to take advantage of them.

You demostrated in your own post that you cant claim this: "its not like Lana was set up with these great family situations and failed to take advantage of them". We havent' seen evidence of this one way or another, so you can't say its not like she was set up with a great family. In my opinion Lana wouldn't know how to incorporate herself into a family very easily no matter how great they are, because she's never really had that before

Secondly, you point out that chloe and lana are barely best friends, I think this speaks volumes about what chloes has done for her in spite of this. They aren't best friends yet I can't think of one time when chloe crossed her, or wasn't looking out for her best interests. As far as chloe encouraging Lana to go out with clark, she could have remained neutral and not encouraged lana either way, but she didn't. She was completely selfless.

And i just have to comment on how Lana acted in magnetic towards Clark. She was the one that messed up in that episode whether it was by her own free will or not. I hate that despite what she did she still felt the need to turn the conversation to focus on what clark does wrong. In my opinion when noble people mess up, they admit it, appoligze and save the blame game for another day

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 02:29 PM

You demostrated in your own post that you cant claim this: "its not like Lana was set up with these great family situations and failed to take advantage of them". We havent' seen evidence of this one way or another, so you can't say its not like she was set up with a great family. In my opinion Lana wouldn't know how to incorporate herself into a family very easily no matter how great they are, because she's never really had that before

:confused: Huh? You haven't seen evidence of Lana not being set up in a good family situation? Nell and Chloe's situations weren't that great or good.

Secondly, you point out that chloe and lana are barely best friends, I think this speaks volumes about what chloes has done for her in spite of this. They aren't best friends yet I can't think of one time when chloe crossed her, or wasn't looking out for her best interests. As far as chloe encouraging Lana to go out with clark, she could have remained neutral and not encouraged lana either way, but she didn't. She was completely selfless.

Oh please, don't tell me Chloe was selfless when Lana asked her if she could go out with Chloe. Chloe wasn't going to say no, because Clark would have been all over her for one and two, it would have made her look bad. All Chloe said was the truth, that she would take the chance if she got it. Which she would have and probably would have caredless how Lana felt about it. At least Lana cared enough to ask. So Chloe was looking for Lana's best interest when she didn't tell her where Clark was in metropolis? Or not telling her about what happened in Reckoning? Looking out for someone's best interest, would have been Chloe keeping Lana away from Lex and that would have done it, but she didn't. So......:\

And i just have to comment on how Lana acted in magnetic towards Clark. She was the one that messed up in that episode whether it was by her own free will or not. I hate that despite what she did she still felt the need to turn the conversation to focus on what clark does wrong. In my opinion when noble people mess up, they admit it, appoligze and save
the blame game for another day

She wasn't trying to focus on what Clark does wrong, she was trying to get him to open up.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
AE, it isn't Lana, it's Clark AND Lana. Even though I dislike how Chloe has been a best friend, she's way ahead of Clark and Lana in everything. The writers have completely destroyed Lana's character this season. I know some people this she was already bad or her character was bad before this, but i disagree. This season has killed Lana's character and made her look horrible. The same can be said for Clark. Clark has no clue, which that episode above shows. Chloe, well flawed in her own right, is way ahead.

I don't think this season has killed her character at all. I think it has demostrated what someone with personality traits and past experience like hers will end up doing when put into ever more difficult situations. She's always have her fallicies and insecurities. this season has demostrated what happens when a person with those traits come to face to face with especially hard times. Its no surprise to me at all that she's behaving ever more dependetly on entities outside of herself and that she still doesn't completely hold herself responsible for her actions.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe has been there for Lana since they became roommates in season 2. I think that's why she was so shocked and upset when Lana admitted in "Truth" that she didn't trust Chloe and that she never really felt like a part of the Sullivan family. Even last season, when Lana went to Chloe to talk about her relationship with Jason ("Unsafe"), Chloe stopped what she was doing, listened, and gave her advice. I'm sure if Lana stopped by the Daily Planet or left a note in the dorm asking Chloe if they could talk, Chloe would make time. To me, that's the definition of "being there" for someone.

Even when Chloe spends time with Clark, it's usually Clark who goes to see her at work or at her dorm to get advice or mope around until Chloe asks him what's wrong. She usually ends up putting whatever she's doing on hold and listening to Clark's problem(s).

Lana doesn't see the side of Chloe that Clark does. That is probably why she doesn't trust her entirely. Clark never trusted Chloe prior to her learning about his secret because Chloe could never keep her mouth shut. Now Clark realizes that Chloe has the potential to be a trustworthy friend but he was forced to see it. Lana hasn't seen it.

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 02:32 PM

I don't think this season has killed her character at all. I think it has demostrated what someone with personality traits and past experience like hers will end up doing when put into ever more difficult situations. She's always have her fallicies and insecurities. this season has demostrated what happens when a person with those traits come to face to face with especially hard times. Its no surprise to me at all that she's behaving ever more dependetly on entities outside of herself and that she still doesn't completely hold herself responsible for her actions.

I disagree, having her take drugs and then talk to Clark like she did was horrible. Acting like he's never done anything for her, when he has and then the thing with Lex. I see all kinds of reasons why it has

OutlawAngel

04-07-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east
Is it lana doing this too herself? She said she felt alone for a long time even when she was with Clark. She's always alone. She never connected with Nell, never treated her or acted like she was a mother to her even though Nell looked after her for 12 years and was loving towards her.

She's feeling even more alone because since the break up with Clark but she doesn't go to her friends (Chloe/Lex/Lois), her aunt or her dad? She's so bad off she killing herself, I'm sure her father would be there for her and I'm sure all of the people I listed would. She turns to someone she doesn't know to drugs that killer you then being you back.

She says she feels alone even when she with people and I'm wondering if she makes herself alone.

What do you think? Do I got it all wrong.

I agree. I dont think Lana realizes what great friends and family she has. I would love to have friends that cared about me as much as Chloe, Lois and even Lec and Clark do. Aunt Nell is still there for her obviously or Lana wouldnt of went to her after Clark broke up with her. I have never thought that Lana treated Aunt Nell fairly. She was lucky that she had an Aunt who was willing to take her in and raise her as her own but Lana never has been able to accept that. Ive always felt worse for Nell than I have for Lana. Lana does this to herself she dont have to be or fell that way. Gabe and Chloe took her in as a pat of their family as well. The girl has never really been alone but she just cant see that for some reason.

mobiusklein

04-07-2006, 02:43 PM

Lana has nothing to complain about family-wise compared to Lex. Lex has the father from hell and now he has a mom who calls him a murderer in his dream/vision.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde

And i just have to comment on how Lana acted in magnetic towards Clark. She was the one that messed up in that episode whether it was by her own free will or not. I hate that despite what she did she still felt the need to turn the conversation to focus on what clark does wrong. In my opinion when noble people mess up, they admit it, appoligze and save the blame game for another day

No one apologizes on this show. And forget about Magnetic, she was not herself in that episode.

OutlawAngel

04-07-2006, 02:44 PM

mobiusklein

04-07-2006, 02:46 PM

Lana herself said that she still felt alone even when she was with Clark, right? Then the title is about this huge VOID inside of her. I don't think anything can fill it.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Lana has nothing to complain about family-wise compared to Lex. Lex has the father from hell and now he has a mom who calls him a murderer in his dream/vision.

You can't say that because Lex doesn't have a heart. It's not eating him up inside anymore that he has a bastard for a father. He just doesn't care anymore, he is going to be bad and think that he is god's greatest creation.

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Lana doesn't see the side of Chloe that Clark does. That is probably why she doesn't trust her entirely. Clark never trusted Chloe prior to her learning about his secret because Chloe could never keep her mouth shut. Now Clark realizes that Chloe has the potential to be a trustworthy friend but he was forced to see it. Lana hasn't seen it.
He trusted Chloe enough to tell what he was feeling about things unrelated to his secret. In "Scare", he mentioned having a hard time dealing with Lana's new relationship. In "Blank" he told her that he was worried about leaving his parents to run the farm alone. I'd say those issues are on par with being dumped by a boyfriend or most other problems Lana has in her life. Heck, she had no problem talking to Chloe about Clark's ressurrection (mentioned by Chloe in "Fanatic") or his avoidance of the spaceship topic ("Lockdown").

As far as his secret is concerned, Clark has never trusted anyone. Jonathan's paranoia was passed on to Clark, and I don't think he kept it from Chloe because of her personality or behavior. Even if he met someone who never asked him questions about the things he does and gave him all the space in the world, I doubt he'd confide in that person about his secret.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Lana herself said that she still felt alone even when she was with Clark, right? Then the title is about this huge VOID inside of her. I don't think anything can fill it.

You might be right about that, but that doesn't mean that Lana would never accept the fact that Clark is superman. She just wants to be told the truth. If she's told the truth, I believe that she will be understanding. Name one instance during this show where Lana was told the truth and she had a problem with it.

And by the way, why is Lana a bad person because she wants to be let into Clark's life so that she can understand and help him? That's the problem right there, Clark doesn't want to burden her with the secret and she wants to help him. No one gives her a chance to help, particularly Clark. So on one can say that Lana is selfish. You can't say that she is selfish if she wants to help someone out once she learns the truth.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I disagree, having her take drugs and then talk to Clark like she did was horrible. Acting like he's never done anything for her, when he has and then the thing with Lex. I see all kinds of reasons why it has

I forget what she said to clark, can you remind me?

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
:confused: Huh? You haven't seen evidence of Lana not being set up in a good family situation? Nell and Chloe's situations weren't that great or good.

Oh please, don't tell me Chloe was selfless when Lana asked her if she could go out with Chloe. Chloe wasn't going to say no, because Clark would have been all over her for one and two, it would have made her look bad. All Chloe said was the truth, that she would take the chance if she got it. Which she would have and probably would have caredless how Lana felt about it. At least Lana cared enough to ask. So Chloe was looking for Lana's best interest when she didn't tell her where Clark was in metropolis? Or not telling her about what happened in Reckoning? Looking out for someone's best interest, would have been Chloe keeping Lana away from Lex and that would have done it, but she didn't. So......:\

She wasn't trying to focus on what Clark does wrong, she was trying to get him to open up.

You said its not like lana was set up in a great family situation and failed to take advantage. Apparently you think Nell didn't count for a good or great family situation (your opinion). My point was that we haven't seen evidence that either family situation, nells or chloes, was particularly good or bad, so you can't make any assumptions about what she has or has not been set up with, espeically with chloe and her dad. Finally, you can't make the assumption that chloe would not have asked lana about dating clark, and then compare that assumption to the fact that lana did ask.

Chloe didn't tell anybody about clark being in metropilis, not even the kents, if she didn't see the need to tell his parents, its not even necessary to argue why she didn't feel the need to tell lana. How/what she would tell lana about what happened in reckoning without revealing clarks at least some of clarks secrets, i have no idea.

Chloe basically knows Lana through clark, she was friends with clark first, she's remained closer to friends with clark. the fact that she's opting not to tell lana clarks secrets to protect clark is not all that outlandish to me. Like she said when clark asked her to spy on lana, she said she was "not getting in the middle of this". Its not possible to do what you are suggesting by not taking sides. And no she's not taking clarks side by leaving it up to him to tell lana what she needs to know about him (ie. reckoning), she's keeping herself out of it, not betraying either of them.

You completely missed my point about magnetic. So i'll repeat it. When noble people mess up they admit it, appologize and save the blame game for another day, another time, another incident.

With all that said, Chloe and Clark are completely to blame for not warning lana about lex and keeping her away from him.

OutlawAngel

04-07-2006, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
And, when has Lana ever proven herself to be a good friend to Chloe that Chloe would even WANT to be there for her?
I think it shows a tremendous amount about Chloe's character that she would even a) consider Lana part of her family, b) want to be roommates with her (while she's dating the guy that Chloe is still in love with), and c) is friends with Lana, even though, she (Lana) never really gives any indication she cares about her (Chloe's) life at all.
I can't even believe some think that Chloe "has turned her back on Lana". You have the right to believe that, but just thinking about all the times Lana pushed Chloe out of the way to be with Clark makes me think differently. Lana has just never seemed to really ever be the kind of friend back to Chloe that Chloe is to her.

Back in season 2 when they had to do that family project for school Chloe even listed Lana as sister and then told Lana that 'family isnt about people who dont care about me its aobut hte people that do' And Chloe was the one who invited Lana to live with her after Nell moved away with Dean.

And Nell didnt just abandon Lana like its seems many people believe. Nell wanted Lana to move with her and Dean to Metropolis to be a family and it seemed like dean wanted to accept Lana as well but Lana never really gave him a chance either. I would not have minded if I had a step dad who cared (which mine dont) and Nell deserved to find someone and to live her own life. For 12 years it had just been her and Lana and who doesnt want to fall in love and have a family? Lana was lucky that her Aunt cared about who hse left her with. Its not like Nell just packed up and left Lana standing in the dust. She made sure that Lana was with someone who could and would galdly take care of her like Gabe did.

Lana's issues are not Clark or really anyone elses fault. She has never been able to get close to people.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
He trusted Chloe enough to tell what he was feeling about things unrelated to his secret. In "Scare", he mentioned having a hard time dealing with Lana's new relationship. In "Blank" he told her that he was worried about leaving his parents to run the farm alone. I'd say those issues are on par with being dumped by a boyfriend or most other problems Lana has in her life. Heck, she had no problem talking to Chloe about Clark's ressurrection (mentioned by Chloe in "Fanatic") or his avoidance of the spaceship topic ("Lockdown").

As far as his secret is concerned, Clark has never trusted anyone. Jonathan's paranoia was passed on to Clark, and I don't think he kept it from Chloe because of her personality or behavior. Even if he met someone who never asked him questions about the things he does and gave him all the space in the world, I doubt he'd confide in that person about his secret.

Clark never trusted Chloe as much as he does now that she knows his secret. When pete found out about his secret, Clark even said that he didn't want Chloe to know because it would end up on her wall of weird. As far as confiding in her about certain things, bottom line is that Clark never confided in Chloe more so than he confided in Lana until Chloe learned his secret. Part of that was because Chloe was working with Lionel to investigate Clark.

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I forget what she said to clark, can you remind me?

You completely missed my point about magnetic. So i'll repeat it. When noble people mess up they admit it, appologize and save the blame game for another day, another time, another incident.

With all that said, Chloe and Clark are completely to blame for not warning lana about lex and keeping her away from him.

This magnetic example that you are using is starting to annoy me because you obviously don't remember the episode. At the end of it, Lana did apologize and told Clark that she should've believed him. But then she also went on to say that it was nice to have someone tell her the truth. That's how that part went. So this idea that Lana never apologizes is ridiculous.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
No one apologizes on this show. And forget about Magnetic, she was not herself in that episode.

I've seen Chloe and Clark and Pete and Lex appologize many times.
Do you mean she wasn't herself because she was being controlled or because of bad writing. I personally thought her particular brand of self-righteousness was out of character because of bad writinng

Originally posted by myankskent

This magnetic example that you are using is starting to annoy me because you obviously don't remember the episode. At the end of it, Lana did apologize and told Clark that she should've believed him. But then she also went on to say that it was nice to have someone tell her the truth. That's how that part went. So this idea that Lana never apologizes is ridiculous.

I don't think i ever said Lana Never appologizes. I'm saying it would have been nice for her to appologize and just leave it at that. And for the third time save her getting on clark for not being honest with her for some other time. Appoligies are much more meaningful if you can just give them and leave it alone, without any reasoning or excuses to follow them

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 03:09 PM

Myankskent,

My point is that the way in which Clark confided in Chloe when he thought she was clueless about his secret is the same way in which Lana could confide in her and has confided in her with past problems. Clark's secret is on a whole different level. Take that away and his trust in Chloe should be about the same as Lana's.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde

I don't think i ever said Lana Never appologizes. I'm saying it would have been nice for her to appologize and just leave it at that. And for the third time save her getting on clark for not being honest with her for some other time. Appoligies are much more meaningful if you can just give them and leave it alone, without any reasoning or excuses to follow them

This is unfair to say. She clearly apologized to Clark and then further told Clark exactly how she felt. Why is that a bad thing. Throughout the years, Lana has always opened up to Clark about how she was feeling. You can get annoyed by it if you want, but at least she lets people in.

mobiusklein

04-07-2006, 03:13 PM

To put it bluntly, she says she shouldn't be dependent therefore admitting that she was. Heck, flatlining to see your dead parents . . . stupid. Then next episode she's going to mack on Lex. That's all on her. She could've picked some other guy to mack on.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Myankskent,

My point is that the way in which Clark confided in Chloe when he thought she was clueless about his secret is the same way in which Lana could confide in her and has confided in her with past problems. Clark's secret is on a whole different level. Take that away and his trust in Chloe should be about the same as Lana's.

That's up for debate. It depends on what time period you are referring to because there is no way that Clark trusted Chloe as much as Lana after he found out that she worked with Lionel against him. Plus, the whole wall of weird time period further proves the fact that Clark never trusted Chloe, because she always exposed the meteor freaks. Lana, even though Clark never told her the truth, always accepted the meteor freak type people right from day 1 which confused Clark even more on whether or not he should tell Lana.

OutlawAngel

04-07-2006, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
Lana could take out a machine gun and start mowing the other characters down, plot world domination and seek to destroy life as we know it, and then go out and kick a puppy, and people would still find excuses for her behavior and blame evil old Chloe and Clark for everything.

Can you give some examples of this? Because all I saw during season 1 when we actually saw Nell was a loving and caring woman who went out of her way to make her niece happy.

Well, of course there was the artificial Christmas trees. :rolleyes:

Haha at the Lana plotting world dominataion and kicking puppys and blaming others for it :rotfl:

Yeah my parents must not of loved me either because I never got real Christmas tree's. Maybe Nell was allergic to Ceader or something??? I mean geesh come on atleast Nell got her a tree instead of Like Lionel who wouldnt ever get Lex nothing except for the Art of War.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
To put it bluntly, she says she shouldn't be dependent therefore admitting that she was. Heck, flatlining to see your dead parents . . . stupid. Then next episode she's going to mack on Lex. That's all on her. She could've picked some other guy to mack on.

This is more of a writing problem. I mean come on, this episode started with lana alright hooked on the serum. There was no buildup to this so you need to realize that there is a decent chunk of time that passes in between episodes. When Hypnotic ended, there is no way that Lana found these people who made the serum and got hooked on it in a week. This happened over time and TPTB failed to play it out properly.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
This is unfair to say. She clearly apologized to Clark and then further told Clark exactly how she felt. Why is that a bad thing. Throughout the years, Lana has always opened up to Clark about how she was feeling. You can get annoyed by it if you want, but at least she lets people in.

Always letting people know exactly how you feel, is not always good. Sometimes saving your personal hangups for more appropriate times is a more humble course of action. She takes every opportunity she can to make a dig at Clarks secrecy, leaving it out that time especially since this was mistake she made, would have shown strength of character. Being annoyed has nothing to do with my interpretation of how she handled that situation.

mobiusklein

04-07-2006, 03:35 PM

She was OK in Magnetic UNTIL she used it as an opening to scold him. I don't like the implication where she easily blows off the fact magneto!boy could've made her do a whole ton of nasty stuff by saying how he told her the truth and made her feel loved thereby saying that Clark is worse than a would-be rapist mindcontroller. Um, gross.

Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the kinder/gentler option. Should I praise a guy who continually flips off half the freeway because he's being honest and true to himself?

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein

Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the kinder/gentler option.

I agree.

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
That's up for debate. It depends on what time period you are referring to because there is no way that Clark trusted Chloe as much as Lana after he found out that she worked with Lionel against him. Plus, the whole wall of weird time period further proves the fact that Clark never trusted Chloe, because she always exposed the meteor freaks. Lana, even though Clark never told her the truth, always accepted the meteor freak type people right from day 1 which confused Clark even more on whether or not he should tell Lana.
Again: Clark's secret has nothing to do with my point because it's much larger than his other problems. When I said Clark confided in Chloe with his feelings, I was referring mainly to season 4. In seasons 1-3 Clark usually discussed his more "mundane" problems with Lana (i.e., being an orphan, problems with his parents, problems with Chloe, etc.) or Lex (i.e., relationship advice, his fight with Jonathan in "Reaper", etc.). In season 4, Chloe filled the role of Clark's confidant and the conversations he used to have with Lex and/or Lana would usually occur with Chloe. Lana's problems with Clark are much more akin to those "mundane" problems, and that's why I said the trust in Chloe should be about the same for Lana and Clark.

If Lana was worried about stepping on Chloe's feelings for Clark, then I could understand her hesitance to discuss the issue with Chloe. However, that didn't seem to be a problem earlier this season, so there's no reason to think it would suddenly be an issue now, especially when Chloe tried to reach out.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
Always letting people know exactly how you feel, is not always good. Sometimes saving your personal hangups for more appropriate times is a more humble course of action. She takes every opportunity she can to make a dig at Clarks secrecy, leaving it out that time especially since this was mistake she made, would have shown strength of character. Being annoyed has nothing to do with my interpretation of how she handled that situation.

This is a classic example of a case where Lana can never win on these boards. If she opens up to Clark, people say that she continously presses him on his secret. If she doesn't open up to Clark, then she lies to him. ie. when she never admitted to working with Lex on the spaceship. Of course she admitted it later but even that wasn't enough for some people.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
This is a classic example of a case where Lana can never win on these boards. If she opens up to Clark, people say that she continously presses him on his secret. If she doesn't open up to Clark, then she lies to him. ie. when she never admitted to working with Lex on the spaceship. Of course she admitted it later but even that wasn't enough for some people.

you digress. i have no idea how any of that applied to what i just said. Stay focused, I'm not "people", I'm slickblonde

myankskent

04-07-2006, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Again: Clark's secret has nothing to do with my point because it's much larger than his other problems. When I said Clark confided in Chloe with his feelings, I was referring mainly to season 4. In seasons 1-3 Clark usually discussed his more "mundane" problems with Lana (i.e., being an orphan, problems with his parents, problems with Chloe, etc.) or Lex (i.e., relationship advice, his fight with Jonathan in "Reaper", etc.). In season 4, Chloe filled the role of Clark's confidant and the conversations he used to have with Lex and/or Lana would usually occur with Chloe. Lana's problems with Clark are much more akin to those "mundane" problems, and that's why I said the trust in Chloe should be about the same for Lana and Clark.

If Lana was worried about stepping on Chloe's feelings for Clark, then I could understand her hesitance to discuss the issue with Chloe. However, that didn't seem to be a problem earlier this season, so there's no reason to think it would suddenly be an issue now, especially when Chloe tried to reach out.

Oh ok, so you're saying that we should forget about seasons 1-3 in relation to Clark confiding in Chloe and only focus on season 4. Alright, well then the issue with Clark's secret cannot be dismissed because she finds out about Clark during season 4. After she finds out the secret, Chloe intentionally tries to get Clark to open up to her because she knows the secret. Then Clark opens up to her more after that because Chloe understands how he feels. If you are not looking at the episodes where Chloe knows about Clark in season 4, then you are referring to about 10 episodes during season 4 where Clark may or may not have opened up to Chloe like he would with Lana. I really don't understand your point here. Plus, I clearly said that it depends on what time period you are referring to with Clark treating Chloe as an equal to Lana. If you only see it for those 10 episodes during season 4, then I won't argue with you.

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
you digress. i have no idea how any of that applied to what i just said. Stay focused, I'm not "people", I'm slickblonde

Well then if you feel that Lana doesn't lie to clark all of the time and keep things from him, then I can understand your viewpoint.

mobiusklein

04-07-2006, 04:10 PM

It's just that I feel some people think knowing Clark's secret will change everything for her and really it won't. It won't change the fact her parents are dead and not coming back. It's not a cure-all. She's the one who picked those creepy friends, not Clark or Chloe or Lex. That's on her.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by myankskent

Well then if you feel that Lana doesn't lie to clark all of the time and keep things from him, then I can understand your viewpoint.

No i don't think she does that at all, especially when it comes to things that regard their relationship. I can only think of two things she has intentionally kept from clark, geneves death and the spaceship thing. I can understand keeping the spaceship from him because like she said he never wanted to hear or talk about it anyway. I don't know about the genevieve thing, i guess its because she's afraid of what he'll think of her. Or maybe its a case of "the longer you keep something from somone the harder it is to tell them".

myankskent

04-07-2006, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
It's just that I feel some people think knowing Clark's secret will change everything for her and really it won't. It won't change the fact her parents are dead and not coming back. It's not a cure-all. She's the one who picked those creepy friends, not Clark or Chloe or Lex. That's on her.

Lana wanting to see her dead parents have nothing to do with Clark directly. She needed someone to talk to, she found a way to see her parents again, she decided to flatline. Bad decision? Hell yeah. But any problem that she has in her life would've caused her to do this. Sure the breakup was a catalyst for what she did, but apparently she's been feeling this for quite some time. As for knowing Clark's secret, that wouldn't cure her problems with her parents, but it would allow her to finally understand the one person that she has been trying to understand for a long time now. Clark is more than a friend to her. Maybe if someone was just Clark's friend then they wouldn't care about what he was hiding, but Lana does care if she is going to spend the rest of her life with him. Clark telling her would give her something that she's never had before, which is a person finally opening themselves up to her.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Lana wanting to see her dead parents have nothing to do with Clark directly. She needed someone to talk to, she found a way to see her parents again, she decided to flatline. Bad decision? Hell yeah. But any problem that she has in her life would've caused her to do this. Sure the breakup was a catalyst for what she did, but apparently she's been feeling this for quite some time. As for knowing Clark's secret, that wouldn't cure her problems with her parents, but it would allow her to finally understand the one person that she has been trying to understand for a long time now. Clark is more than a friend to her. Maybe if someone was just Clark's friend then they wouldn't care about what he was hiding, but Lana does care if she is going to spend the rest of her life with him. Clark telling her would give her something that she's never had before, which is a person finally opening themselves up to her.

I don't understand the debate between you too. You both seem to think that bottom line, her behavior is not clarks fault.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I don't understand the debate between you too. You both seem to think that bottom line, her behavior is not clarks fault.

I just disagree with the fact that Lana wouldn't be different if she knew Clark's secret. Clark is another person in her life that doesn't let her in and she needs that in her life because she doesn't have a mother/father support system. Sure she has friends and her aunt nell, but at this point, she wants to be able to share everything with Clark. After all, once you get older, you share more things with your spouse than you do with your parents.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
I just disagree with the fact that Lana wouldn't be different if she knew Clark's secret. Clark is another person in her life that doesn't let her in and she needs that in her life because she doesn't have a mother/father support system. Sure she has friends and her aunt nell, but at this point, she wants to be able to share everything with Clark. After all, once you get older, you share more things with your spouse than you do with your parents.

Well i guess then its all pure speculation. I think knowing his secret would alleviate a lot of the anxiety she has, but I question that it would alleviate her general sense of loneliness. thats a state of mind no amount of openess can cure. Her feeling of security has to eventually come from within, before i think she can really be happy. Now I'm not saying thats an easy road, or that place of security is an easy one to find, but no one can set her on that journey but her.

mobiusklein

04-07-2006, 04:37 PM

She'd be better off learning Zen. Life is NEVER a fairytale or easy. Even a man who was a spoiled prince (Buddha) was dissatisfied until he discovered peace from within. Life is turmoil, nothing lasts forever, etc.

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Oh ok, so you're saying that we should forget about seasons 1-3 in relation to Clark confiding in Chloe and only focus on season 4. Alright, well then the issue with Clark's secret cannot be dismissed because she finds out about Clark during season 4. After she finds out the secret, Chloe intentionally tries to get Clark to open up to her because she knows the secret. Then Clark opens up to her more after that because Chloe understands how he feels. If you are not looking at the episodes where Chloe knows about Clark in season 4, then you are referring to about 10 episodes during season 4 where Clark may or may not have opened up to Chloe like he would with Lana. I really don't understand your point here. Plus, I clearly said that it depends on what time period you are referring to with Clark treating Chloe as an equal to Lana. If you only see it for those 10 episodes during season 4, then I won't argue with you.
Until "Arrival", Clark didn't know that Chloe knew about his secret, so I don't think that knowledge changed his perception of her and made her seem to be a more trustworthy friend. Also, the only real differences I saw in Chloe was the fact that she would drop cryptic hints around Clark that she knew his secret and she would cover for him. Yes, she did try to get him to confide in her, but she wanted him to confide in her specifically about his secret. I don't think Chloe's knowledge of the secret had anything to do with Clark's comfort level in telling her what was on his mind. Even if we only focus on the first eleven episodes, before Clark was "outed", we still saw he was comfortable enough to mention his difficulty in dealing with Lana's new relationship in "Scare". If Chloe had never seen Clark use his powers that season, I still think his trust in Chloe would have been the same.

Even if we ignore the Chloe-Clark relationship, my questions about Lana's relationship with Chloe still remain. What reason does Lana have to feel she couldn't talk to Chloe in this episode? Why was this situation so different from her other problems with Clark or her break up with Jason in "Unsafe"?

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake

Even if we ignore the Chloe-Clark relationship, my questions about Lana's relationship with Chloe still remain. What reason does Lana have to feel she couldn't talk to Chloe in this episode? Why was this situation so different from her other problems with Clark or her break up with Jason in "Unsafe"?

OOooooh, I got one. maybe on some level she knows chloe knows whats going on with clark and why he did what he did. Maybe she kind of resents her because she's like "in on it" :P

myankskent

04-07-2006, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Until "Arrival", Clark didn't know that Chloe knew about his secret, so I don't think that knowledge changed his perception of her and made her seem to be a more trustworthy friend. Also, the only real differences I saw in Chloe was the fact that she would drop cryptic hints around Clark that she knew his secret and she would cover for him. Yes, she did try to get him to confide in her, but she wanted him to confide in her specifically about his secret. I don't think Chloe's knowledge of the secret had anything to do with Clark's comfort level in telling her what was on his mind. Even if we only focus on the first eleven episodes, before Clark was "outed", we still saw he was comfortable enough to mention his difficulty in dealing with Lana's new relationship in "Scare". If Chloe had never seen Clark use his powers that season, I still think his trust in Chloe would have been the same.

Even if we ignore the Chloe-Clark relationship, my questions about Lana's relationship with Chloe still remain. What reason does Lana have to feel she couldn't talk to Chloe in this episode? Why was this situation so different from her other problems with Clark or her break up with Jason in "Unsafe"?

To answer your last question, I think it's obvious that Lana doesn't run to Chloe about Clark because a) Lana knows that Chloe still has a thing for him, and b) Lana knows that Chloe is close to Clark and she doesn't want to put Chloe in the middle of it. It was different with Jason because he had no ties with anyone in their group. Plus, Lana never specifically went to Chloe with any of her problems with Clark. The only time it's been said that Lana talked to Chloe about Clark is when they broke up.

In response to your first paragraph, I understand that Clark didn't find out about Chloe until season 5, but given the fact that Chloe knew about his secret for much of season 4, she knew the right buttons to push to be there for Clark in a way that no one else could. Deep down she knew that he was different and she approached him differently knowing that. Of course Clark didn't know that she knew about him, but he also realized that Chloe understood how he was feeling. He didn't know how she understood but he knew it. So again, my point still stands, I feel that Chloe learning about Clark has helped Clark to trust Chloe more.

AngylWylde

04-07-2006, 05:32 PM

I see Lana as a very selfish, often self-absorbed type of person. And part of that is because she has been enabled all of her life and also the kind of person who gets by on looks and very little else. For these reasons and more, she is grown into a person with an even more self-absorbed personality. I agree that she does push people away. And I agree that it is pretty much on her. She does this to herself time and again. She is not now and never has been alone. It is outrageous for her to even say that she has been. She may *feel* that she is - but the fact remains, in reality she hasn't been.

Back to her self-absorbed personality - I think part of why she pushes people away is if/when they do something contrary to what *she* wants them to do. Like they have committed an atrocious sin by not telling her majesty everything or not doing everything like she wants. Example: When Nell moved to Metropolis. Nell had every right to be happy. For most of Lana's life - Nell's life revolved around her. Nell did not have to adopt Lana or even take her in. Lana should have thanked her lucky stars that someone was willing to do this - instead of never really treating Nell like a mother (in which case Nell is/was legally her mother. Just like when Martha & Jonathan adopted Clark. there is no difference. Lana HAS a living mother for chrissakes AND a living father) And instead of fixating on her parents death (really it was only her real mother's death) - when her parent(s) died when she was what --- 3 years old or so? Come on, it's not like she has tons of memories of them and lost her parents when she was older or a teen when she would have had all those years with them. She only had a short time with them and then Nell became her mother. Yet she never really gave Nell credit for it. Selfish. And she becomes angry and full of self-righteous indignation when Nell wants to commit the unforgivable sin of getting married and moving. But the real problem there was the fact that Nell's life was no longer going to revolve around Lana. She does this to everyone. Other examples are when Clark doesn't want to all but worship her anymore and keeps some things to himself. Well, what a terrible crime that is! Everyone is entitled to keep things to themselves. She doesn't own Clark or anyone else. What is so bad about keeping some things to himself? She does the same thing. Everyone does. It all goes back to the fact that she thinks everyone should continue to have her as the center of their universe.

I don't think this season has slaughtered Lana's character. Actually, I even like the character a bit more than before. For once, she is being shown to have flaws and is being shown as she really has been all along. And I think it will probably continue more like this. Parts of her pretend sweet, innocent mask is starting to crumble. But I personally don't think that is a bad thing. It's about time she entered the world of reality. The problem is -- she does need major therapy. I wouldn't be surprised to see her end up in an insane asylum, herself.

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
To answer your last question, I think it's obvious that Lana doesn't run to Chloe about Clark because a) Lana knows that Chloe still has a thing for him, and b) Lana knows that Chloe is close to Clark and she doesn't want to put Chloe in the middle of it. It was different with Jason because he had no ties with anyone in their group. Plus, Lana never specifically went to Chloe with any of her problems with Clark. The only time it's been said that Lana talked to Chloe about Clark is when they broke up.
Chloe mentioned that Clark's rise from the dead came up daily between she and Lana ("Fanatic") and she had a phone conversation with Lana about the fight with Clark in "Lockdown". I'm pretty sure Chloe didn't bring up Clark's rise from the grave and I doubt she asked about Lana's fight with Clark.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by AngylWylde
I see Lana as a very selfish, often self-absorbed type of person. And part of that is because she has been enabled all of her life and also the kind of person who gets by on looks and very little else. For these reasons and more, she is grown into a person with an even more self-absorbed personality. I agree that she does push people away. And I agree that it is pretty much on her. She does this to herself time and again. She is not now and never has been alone. It is outrageous for her to even say that she has been. She may *feel* that she is - but the fact remains, in reality she hasn't been.

Back to her self-absorbed personality - I think part of why she pushes people away is if/when they do something contrary to what *she* wants them to do. Like they have committed an atrocious sin by not telling her majesty everything or not doing everything like she wants. Example: When Nell moved to Metropolis. Nell had every right to be happy. For most of Lana's life - Nell's life revolved around her. Nell did not have to adopt Lana or even take her in. Lana should have thanked her lucky stars that someone was willing to do this - instead of never really treating Nell like a mother (in which case Nell is/was legally her mother. Just like when Martha & Jonathan adopted Clark. there is no difference. Lana HAS a living mother for chrissakes AND a living father) And instead of fixating on her parents death (really it was only her real mother's death) - when her parent(s) died when she was what --- 3 years old or so? Come on, it's not like she has tons of memories of them and lost her parents when she was older or a teen when she would have had all those years with them. She only had a short time with them and then Nell became her mother. Yet she never really gave Nell credit for it. Selfish. And she becomes angry and full of self-righteous indignation when Nell wants to commit the unforgivable sin of getting married and moving. But the real problem there was the fact that Nell's life was no longer going to revolve around Lana. She does this to everyone. Other examples are when Clark doesn't want to all but worship her anymore and keeps some things to himself. Well, what a terrible crime that is! Everyone is entitled to keep things to themselves. She doesn't own Clark or anyone else. What is so bad about keeping some things to himself? She does the same thing. Everyone does. It all goes back to the fact that she thinks everyone should continue to have her as the center of their universe.

I don't think this season has slaughtered Lana's character. Actually, I even like the character a bit more than before. For once, she is being shown to have flaws and is being shown as she really has been all along. And I think it will probably continue more like this. Parts of her pretend sweet, innocent mask is starting to crumble. But I personally don't think that is a bad thing. It's about time she entered the world of reality. The problem is -- she does need major therapy. I wouldn't be surprised to see her end up in an insane asylum, herself.

I don't understand why you are using Nell as an example here. Nell left the show way back in season 2 and to my knowledge, Lana never got on Nell for leaving. She got upset at first because Nell wanted to move to Metropolis and Lana didn't want to leave her school and friends behind. If you can't understand that then this conversation will end right now. Plus, the way you put it, you make it so that Lana should've been like, "ok Nell, it was nice knowing you, take care." Please. Of course Lana didn't want her to go but it wasn't like Lana put up a major fuss about it. You are taking everything so out of context here. As for her relationship with Clark, secrets are always kept between spouses, but when you hide who you really are to the other person and the other person notices it, it's not a minor secret anymore. How would you feel if you find out one day, after you are married, that your spouse is an alien. You're telling me that it wouldn't matter to you that they kept it from you? If it wouldn't matter to you then you are certainly in the minority out there. And Lana wanting everything to be done her way...give me some real examples of that outside of her wanting the truth about Clark. Give me a bunch of concrete examples of Lana getting ticked off at people because things aren't done her way. I'd love to hear that.

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe mentioned that Clark's rise from the dead came up daily between she and Lana ("Fanatic") and she had a phone conversation with Lana about the fight with Clark in "Lockdown". I'm pretty sure Chloe didn't bring up Clark's rise from the grave and I doubt she asked about Lana's fight with Clark.

But Clark and Lana were together at that point. My point is that when she is having problems with her relationship with Clark, she never goes to Chloe. She might mention the fact that he rose from the dead, but Lana and Clark weren't fighting in those days. When there's a problem in the relationship, Lana does not go to Chloe because she doesn't want to put Chloe in the middle of it. Discussing the stuff that you mentioned above doesn't put Chloe in the middle of anything because there are no sides established, it's just talking about what they witness.

By the way, the fight that you were referring to was not a fight that she had with Clark, it was a fight that Clark and Lex had.

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
By the way, the fight that you were referring to was not a fight that she had with Clark, it was a fight that Clark and Lex had.
They were talking about the fight Lana had with Clark at the beginning of "Lockdown". Lana wanted some physical attention, Clark tried to run off to class, and then Lana got upset with him and asked why they couldn't "be together". As she left, the blueprints for the ship fell on the floor, Clark asked why she hid her partnership with Lex, and she mentions that Clark always changes the subject when it's brought up. At the time of the conversation, Clark hadn't seen or spoken to Lex since Jonathan was attacked in the previous episode.

AngylWylde

04-07-2006, 06:33 PM

It is important to mention Nell, because for most of her life she was the most important person in Lana's life as she grew up - or at least she should have been. It's very telling how she treated Nell with regards to how she treats others. If she didn't embrace her of all people, like she should have then then it's relevant to the present and future. Especially considering that she still has 2 living parents and others. She is not alone. And no, what I was saying about Nell also was - Lana should NOT have just said "bye, see you. have a nice life." Quite the opposite. What she SHOULD have done if she was a good daughter and didn't want to be supposedly 'alone', was go with Nell to Metropolis and be a family with them. I understand perfectly that she would miss her friends and not want to leave Smallville High - that isn't the point. Of course she wouldn't want to leave her friends, etc.. blah blah blah It happens all the time. People move, things happen. But what she did was desert her family. There was no loyalty there - only selfishness and her self-interest. So she acted selfishly again in regards to Nell. And then again in regards to Chloe who very graciously referred to Lana as her sister. It's important to note how she responds to or treats the supposedly most important people in her life in judging her character. With Clark - she has been very unfair to him because not only that has he saved her life and been there for her countless times, but because she knows (or at least should know) that Clark keeps something from her not because he really wants to, but because he feels it is important. She should respect that. It's not as if what he's keeping from her is that he's a murderer or something heinous. And if one says that well - she doesn't really know. His secret could be good OR bad. Well if that is the case, and if she would happen to think like that about the man who has been there for her many times - then she doesn't know him at all or deserve to be with him.

And there have been so many instances over the years of Lana being downright self-absorbed - that if you haven't even gotten that from watching her then it's pointless to go too much further on that. And it's even further than just instances now and then - things that she does, it seems to be an integral part of her personality. She is STILL whiny/mopy about her parents (ahem, *mother's*) death at age THREE, when Clark has just lost his father and everyone else around her has worse problems and/or family situations than she does! She has or had it better than all of them - and still can't realize it or let it go.

P.S.
To answer your question. Aside from an initial shock or whatever, NO it wouldn't matter to me if I was married and found out the person I married was an alien or had some major secret - as long as the secret wasn't bad (ie they were a murderer or psycho, etc.) and also they had a good reason to keep that secret from me. I would understand - Clark's kind of secret doesn't change who he is as a person (it doesn't change his personality, goodness, soul or whatever). And whether Lana knows his secret or doesn't, doesn't change who he truly is as a person. If she can't see that or understand that it is important for him to keep that secret - like I said, she doesn't deserve to be with him and isn't the one for him. And of course we all know she isn't. So that's that.

xrayvision

04-07-2006, 07:13 PM

Maybe one day Clark will take her to the FOS where her parents will be able to talk to her with the crystals. I could just imagine:

Jor-El: You're overdue for today's Kryptonian lesson, Kal-El. That girl is using up all your FOS-minutes!!

Clark: I thought it would be a 1-time thing, but this is ridiculous. I can't stop her from talking. Do you offer any weekend minutes father?

Jor-El: No my son. You must get rid of her. She is driving me crazy.

Clark: What about text messaging or remote connecting capabilities?

Jor-El: Those are for your mother, son. You must get rid of her or the fate of the entire planet is doomed.

Lana: Mr. mysterious British echo-voice dude, I'm back together with Whitney, so I'll be back here everyday from now on.

Jor-El: Kal-El, please call Milton Fine with his black crystal. I can take no more of this!! This Fortress of Solitude is tainted and must be destroyed. As a matter of fact, I think it's turning pink. I'm sorry son, I can no longer make you become Superman.

HAHAHA. That would be a hoot. But seriously, I think she's been pretty screwed up. Even in the pilot, she was going to the graveyard to talk to her parents (which we found out was a habit for her). She had Nell & plenty of friends back then, and it had been a while before her parents died. Also no FOTW's tried to kill her by that time. I don't know why she has always been like that. I am starting to feel bad for her, but something tells me that will end after next week's episode.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
They were talking about the fight Lana had with Clark at the beginning of "Lockdown". Lana wanted some physical attention, Clark tried to run off to class, and then Lana got upset with him and asked why they couldn't "be together". As she left, the blueprints for the ship fell on the floor, Clark asked why she hid her partnership with Lex, and she mentions that Clark always changes the subject when it's brought up. At the time of the conversation, Clark hadn't seen or spoken to Lex since Jonathan was attacked in the previous episode.

All Lana said was that she knew how Clark felt about Lex. You can't say that she went crawling to Chloe for advice there.

watcher4

04-07-2006, 08:10 PM

IMHO, the writers have written themselvles in a corner with Lana. I am not bashing Lana! She could have so much potential! :eek: :mad:

myankskent

04-07-2006, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by AngylWylde
It is important to mention Nell, because for most of her life she was the most important person in Lana's life as she grew up - or at least she should have been. It's very telling how she treated Nell with regards to how she treats others. If she didn't embrace her of all people, like she should have then then it's relevant to the present and future. Especially considering that she still has 2 living parents and others. She is not alone. And no, what I was saying about Nell also was - Lana should NOT have just said "bye, see you. have a nice life." Quite the opposite. What she SHOULD have done if she was a good daughter and didn't want to be supposedly 'alone', was go with Nell to Metropolis and be a family with them. I understand perfectly that she would miss her friends and not want to leave Smallville High - that isn't the point. Of course she wouldn't want to leave her friends, etc.. blah blah blah It happens all the time. People move, things happen. But what she did was desert her family. There was no loyalty there - only selfishness and her self-interest. So she acted selfishly again in regards to Nell. And then again in regards to Chloe who very graciously referred to Lana as her sister. It's important to note how she responds to or treats the supposedly most important people in her life in judging her character. With Clark - she has been very unfair to him because not only that has he saved her life and been there for her countless times, but because she knows (or at least should know) that Clark keeps something from her not because he really wants to, but because he feels it is important. She should respect that. It's not as if what he's keeping from her is that he's a murderer or something heinous. And if one says that well - she doesn't really know. His secret could be good OR bad. Well if that is the case, and if she would happen to think like that about the man who has been there for her many times - then she doesn't know him at all or deserve to be with him.

And there have been so many instances over the years of Lana being downright self-absorbed - that if you haven't even gotten that from watching her then it's pointless to go too much further on that. And it's even further than just instances now and then - things that she does, it seems to be an integral part of her personality. She is STILL whiny/mopy about her parents (ahem, *mother's*) death at age THREE, when Clark has just lost his father and everyone else around her has worse problems and/or family situations than she does! She has or had it better than all of them - and still can't realize it or let it go.

P.S.
To answer your question. Aside from an initial shock or whatever, NO it wouldn't matter to me if I was married and found out the person I married was an alien or had some major secret - as long as the secret wasn't bad (ie they were a murderer or psycho, etc.) and also they had a good reason to keep that secret from me. I would understand - Clark's kind of secret doesn't change who he is as a person (it doesn't change his personality, goodness, soul or whatever). And whether Lana knows his secret or doesn't, doesn't change who he truly is as a person. If she can't see that or understand that it is important for him to keep that secret - like I said, she doesn't deserve to be with him and isn't the one for him. And of course we all know she isn't. So that's that.

You are taking such an unfair approach to the whole scenario. You are using the knowledge that you have as the viewer and judging Lana on that. Bottom line is that Lana has no idea what Clark is hiding so how is she supposed to know that he is keeping something that is in her best interest to not know about? It's easy to sit there when you know what Clark is hiding from her, but she doesn't. Big difference. As for you not caring about your spouse being an alien, congratulations, because you're probably one of the only people who wouldn't care about that secret. By the way, Clark saving Lana all of those times only leads to further questions that Lana has. Clark might save her, but not telling her the truth of how he saves her or lying about the fact that he did save her, ie. the tornado, only plants more doubts in Lana's head that Clark is keeping something from her. From your standpoint, you seem like a person who doesn't care if someone is noticeably keeping something important from you so for that I give you credit. However, most people would be asking questions just like Lana.

In terms of Lana being self-absorbed, if you can't give me concrete examples of how she is over the course of the show, then you obviously don't feel that way. I mean come on, you've made it sound like she is ALWAYS self-absorbed. If you can't think of examples then that speaks volumes.

As for Nell, this was never a major controversy back when it happened so I really don't get why you are amplifying it now. If she stayed with Nell this past episode, then I guess we are to assume that she has stayed in touch with her over the years. Being selfish would be to cut her off totally and not appreciate what she's done for her over the years. Instead, Lana hasn't done this. And Lana made a choice to not go with Nell to metropolis. Her life was in Smallville and she wasn't a little girl anymore. She had two years left in high school and then college. That is a decision that you cannot judge her on by calling her selfish. She did what was best for her and Nell had her boyfriend, it wasn't as if she was alone. This is why I feel you are blowing up something that was so insignificant over the course of the show.

Originally posted by watcher4
IMHO, the writers have written themselvles in a corner with Lana. I am not bashing Lana! She could have so much potential! :eek: :mad:

A lot of characters could have much more potential. I've stated this in other threads but I really feel that Chloe is becoming a problem on this show. She is causing Clark to become incredibly stupid and she is stepping on the toes of what should be Lois' character at this point. All of the goodness, if you will, is going into Chloe's character and every other character on the show is suffering as a result. Just my opinion of course.

watcher4

04-07-2006, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
A lot of characters could have much more potential. I've stated this in other threads but I really feel that Chloe is becoming a problem on this show. She is causing Clark to become incredibly stupid and she is stepping on the toes of what should be Lois' character at this point. All of the goodness, if you will, is going into Chloe's character and every other character on the show is suffering as a result. Just my opinion of course.

I agree that a lot of the characters have more potential. However, this is a Lana thread. So, that is why I wrote particularly about her potential.

I don't agree with the rest of the statement. However, we are both entitled to our opinions and I agree that we can disagree.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by watcher4
I agree that a lot of the characters have more potential. However, this is a Lana thread. So, that is why I wrote particularly about her potential.

I don't agree with the rest of the statement. However, we are both entitled to our opinions and I agree that we can disagree.

I do agree with you on Lana.

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
All Lana said was that she knew how Clark felt about Lex. You can't say that she went crawling to Chloe for advice there.
When Clark visits Chloe in her dorm and tells her he had a fight with Lana, Chloe states that she had already heard about it earlier. So, I stand by the statement that Lana had no problem talking to Chloe about an issue in her relationship with Clark.

myankskent

04-07-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
When Clark visits Chloe in her dorm and tells her he had a fight with Lana, Chloe states that she had already heard about it earlier. So, I stand by the statement that Lana had no problem talking to Chloe about an issue in her relationship with Clark.

Fine, I give up on that point. I for one would rather Lana not go to Chloe because all she does on this show is solve problems.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
All of the goodness, if you will, is going into Chloe's character and every other character on the show is suffering as a result. Just my opinion of course.

Sorry to jump back in here out of the blue like this, but I have to quote Mobiusklein in his article the fetishization of Lana Lang. This making other characters look bad by making another character look good hasn't happened worse for any character as it has for Lanas.

In Calling, Clark’s statement in the cake scene strongly suggests that Lana was the first person to ever celebrate Clark’s birthday. It appears that Clark never celebrated his birthday until then, which is nonsensical, considering that 1) Martha badly wanted Clark, 2) Martha bakes all the time, 3) she'd feel bad about depriving him and 4) he went to grade school therefore I don't see how a small party would be out of the question even if it was only Ma, Pa and wee!Clark. Considering that Peter has been his friend from childhood and Chloe has been his friend for three years, it's completely bizarre that neither ever threw him a surprise birthday or even took him out to a movie. To make Lana special, they had his parents and his friends to completely ignore his birthday for all his life.

Early on they also made chloe's character look spineless in the name of creating a better looking lana. In Rosetta, despite the fact that Lana is the one who snoops at the files, she fudges to Clark that opening the files was an accident, and creates a situation where Clark yells at Chloe, Chloe gives a speech where she apologizes and calls Lana a "sister" (spineless). Then in Witness, the following exchange takes place after Clark blows off an article for the Talon in order to spend time watching Lana ride her horse.

Lana: Chloe, it's my fault. I asked Clark to help me.

Chloe: No, Lana, I don't blame you.

In Fever, Lana asks Chloe if not going to see Clark made her a bad person. Chloe says no. Later, Lana reads Chloe's letter and when Clark asks about Chloe, she states "What happened to you really affected her. Me too. It was really hard seeing you sick." She not only changes to the subject to herself, she implies she went to see him, which is a complete lie, chloe's the one that went to see him.

In vortex martha tells lana: Well, if it makes you feel any better, you made one wish come true that day. Jonathan and I were in Nell's buying flowers right before the meteor shower, and you were sitting on the counter with your wings and wand, and you asked me if I wanted to make a wish. So I did. And not long after that, Clark came into our lives. I-I've never even told Clark that story.

This creates the vibe that martha credits lana for clarks arrival. And why would martha NEVER have told clark that story, especially knowing how he feels about Lana. Again making lana look good/special and another character look bad.

So in light of this character elevation/dimishment, I'm just glad they're at least doing with another character, and to actually progress the storyline.

Kryptonian Snake

04-07-2006, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
In Fever, Lana asks Chloe if not going to see Clark made her a bad person. Chloe says no. Later, Lana reads Chloe's letter and when Clark asks about Chloe, she states "What happened to you really affected her. Me too. It was really hard seeing you sick." She not only changes to the subject to herself, she implies she went to see him, which is a complete lie, chloe's the one that went to see him.
I know this is sort of off-topic, but this isn't quite accurate. Lana was with Clark when he collapsed and was in the house when Jonathan and Helen arrived. She didn't go back to visit, but she did see Clark in his sickly state.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
I know this is sort of off-topic, but this isn't quite accurate. Lana was with Clark when he collapsed and was in the house when Jonathan and Helen arrived. She didn't go back to visit, but she did see Clark in his sickly state.

Oh, well, im sure mobiusklein isn't about to change the article now, its like 3 years old. But thanks for the correction

All about Clark

04-07-2006, 10:49 PM

The earlier Ryan comments made me think, Lana was jealous of Ryan, yet being with Clark, she could have formed huge attachments to the Kents, but you never see her with them.

I think Lana does push people away from her. She doesn't allow anyone to know everything, each person gets bits and pieces. She is so scarred, she never gets close to anyone. She has had opportunities to be part of a family with the Sullivan's and the Kent's but has shyed (sp?) away from it.

No else is to blame for this, it is part of Lana. She causes her own loneliness, yes, she needs therapy.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
The earlier Ryan comments made me think, Lana was jealous of Ryan, yet being with Clark, she could have formed huge attachments to the Kents, but you never see her with them.

I think Lana does push people away from her. She doesn't allow anyone to know everything, each person gets bits and pieces. She is so scarred, she never gets close to anyone. She has had opportunities to be part of a family with the Sullivan's and the Kent's but has shyed (sp?) away from it.

No else is to blame for this, it is part of Lana. She causes her own loneliness, yes, she needs therapy.

I think this is result of her being a product of her environment, or at least "percieved" environment. She doesn't know how to incorporate people into her life llike she would with a family. First, she has this initial fear than anyone she loves will leave (thus precluding complete trust and acceptance), and secondly, like i said she doesn't know how to be a part of family. i always got the vibe that Nell tried her very best with her, but it was more like a much older sister, raising younger sister relationship. She's envious of what she has never had, but ironically because she has never had it, she doesn't know how to go about it, and thus may never get it.

mobiusklein

04-07-2006, 11:10 PM

Let me put it this way. Chloe is able to love her mother even though her mother left early on and is in an asylum and hasn't been able to give of herself emotionally or physically or monetarily. I just find that more forgiving understanding. She doesn't need for her mother to be a perfect idol/icon in order to love her as she is, not as an image in her head.

cotton candy girl

04-07-2006, 11:14 PM

Actually, Lana loves her parents as well. She has pain about seeing her parents get zapped.

I guess I am not seeing the comparison.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Let me put it this way. Chloe is able to love her mother even though her mother left early on and is in an asylum and hasn't been able to give of herself emotionally or physically or monetarily. I just find that more forgiving understanding. She doesn't need for her mother to be a perfect idol/icon in order to love her as she is, not as an image in her head.

This is a good point, but I'm lost as to what it is in reference to....

All about Clark

04-07-2006, 11:21 PM

I don't think it is a product of her environment. Lionel grew up poor and dispised it and elavated himself to a billionaire. People often elavate themselves.

Lana has a defeatist attitude and doesn't try to improve her situation. That's why she causes her own loneliness.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
I don't think it is a product of her environment. Lionel grew up poor and dispised it and elavated himself to a billionaire. People often elavate themselves.

Lana has a defeatist attitude and doesn't try to improve her situation. That's why she causes her own loneliness.

Yeh well this gets into the nature versus nurture debate. In Lanas case its both. Had she grown up completely differently, i doubt she would have had the same abandonment issues. Likewise, had she had stronger personality and a percieved internal locust of control, she probably wouldn't have her abandonment issues. Lanas personality + her environment = her behavior and perceptions of life

xrayvision

04-07-2006, 11:27 PM

Continued from previous page...

Lana: Can you hear me now?

Jor-El: Stop it!!

Lana: Can you hear me now? Good!

Jor-El: Kal-El, we must move over to that mansion of your friend and let him have this place. What was his name...Cue Ball?

Clark: Yes father.

Lana: Hey Whitney, I'd like you to meet Jason. We'll have lots of fun together...the 3 of us.

Clark: We better get out of here soon father. With the 3 of them going at it, there will be many candles and this place will not be standing for much longer.

Jor-El: This pink demon has invaded my home so I will now invade hers. The Talon shall be our new home, lets go son.

Clark: Yes, there's a movie theater and I can talk to you on the screen.

All about Clark

04-07-2006, 11:29 PM

So then you agree with me that Lana is her own worst enemy as far as loneliness is concerned?

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
So then you agree with me that Lana is her own worst enemy as far as loneliness is concerned?

Yeh, definitely. I was just pointing out how her environment has contributed to her messed up ways of thinking and behaving

All about Clark

04-07-2006, 11:36 PM

That's why she needs therapy. What's happened to her can't be undone, but she needs to come to terms with it and figure out how to eliminate the visious cycle she's in.

amberdawn

04-07-2006, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
So then you agree with me that Lana is her own worst enemy as far as loneliness is concerned?
Definitely. I would like to see Lana take some responsibility for feeling the way she does and try to move on with her life.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 11:48 PM

I agree with you, whole heartedly. But sadly TPTB will never put lana in therapy or even have it mentioned. Which kinda reminds me of something. In transference Chloe suggests that clark should get psychological help. but ironically even after lanas outrageous stunt, i bet they'd still never allow a character to suggest something like that to her. Thats too much like admitting lanas screwed up

Originally posted by All about Clark
That's why she needs therapy. What's happened to her can't be undone, but she needs to come to terms with it and figure out how to eliminate the visious cycle she's in.

unfortunately this means comfronting the past, and redefining her perceptions of love and security, the whole 9. She's so far gone, comming to terms with it seems like along shot. Its not just her issues with her dead parents she needs to comfront, its her whole way of perceiving the world. Her psyche is just so warped its not even funny

xrayvision

04-07-2006, 11:51 PM

It seems like Lana has been having a form of psychotic break (several of them). I wonder if her future friendship with Clark will fix that, or if Lex will get his doctors from Metropolis to check her out finally. I really do feel bad for her and she must do something to stop this spiral.

I hope they don't forget about this and keep it a running theme until she fixes her life. Clark did say he wants her to be happy. Maybe once Lexana is done and she finds out about Clark, he will give her the help she needs.

SlickBlonde

04-07-2006, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
It seems like Lana has been having a form of psychotic break (several of them). I wonder if her future friendship with Clark will fix that, or if Lex will get his doctors from Metropolis to check her out finally. I really do feel bad for her and she must do something to stop this spiral.

I hope they don't forget about this and keep it a running theme until she fixes her life. Clark did say he wants her to be happy. Maybe once Lexana is done and she finds out about Clark, he will give her the help she needs.

I wonder where they intend to go with her character. I know not everything in smallville goes along with the comics but some of it does. They may not ever really fix lanas problems and she may remain psychologically unstable like she is in the comics (at least some versions).

But honestly i hope they dont use clarks friednship to "fix" her, thats so unrealistic, and obviouly wouldn't be a real difussing of her issues. The only help clark can give her that she needs is kind support and a referal to the nearest clinical psychologist

xrayvision

04-08-2006, 12:03 AM

Lionel's boys & girls will fix her alright, but she may turn out to be a vegetable (and no, I don't think that's redundant of what she is now ;))

SlickBlonde

04-08-2006, 12:08 AM

awww shes not a vegetable, she's just lost. damnit talking on these forums makes the tragedy of all these characters really ressonate. Ahhh, the days when I just watched smallville for the action.

But anyway, maybe putting her through something like brainfrying, will help her put her plight (or lack there of) into perspective

xrayvision

04-08-2006, 12:35 AM

Haha, for a second, I read that as brainifying instead of brainfrying. I can imagine TPTB saying "Eureeka, lets give her a brain!!".

Nah, she seems to be academically smart. It's her street smarts that's severely lacking and her lack of putting obvious things together (observative smarts). Like Clark, I really do wish her well.

hanclin

04-08-2006, 02:42 AM

Lana and Clark are both orphan.
relationship with blood isn't can be substituted.
Althought they have a lot of friends and many people love them,they still feel alone.
That kind of feeling average people can't be lt.

Annihilator

04-08-2006, 04:29 AM

well lana is in the tv which is not real. she is the most popular girl in the school and she only has 3 friends? oh common thats just plain stupid!!

myankskent

04-08-2006, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
Sorry to jump back in here out of the blue like this, but I have to quote Mobiusklein in his article the fetishization of Lana Lang. This making other characters look bad by making another character look good hasn't happened worse for any character as it has for Lanas.

In Calling, Clark’s statement in the cake scene strongly suggests that Lana was the first person to ever celebrate Clark’s birthday. It appears that Clark never celebrated his birthday until then, which is nonsensical, considering that 1) Martha badly wanted Clark, 2) Martha bakes all the time, 3) she'd feel bad about depriving him and 4) he went to grade school therefore I don't see how a small party would be out of the question even if it was only Ma, Pa and wee!Clark. Considering that Peter has been his friend from childhood and Chloe has been his friend for three years, it's completely bizarre that neither ever threw him a surprise birthday or even took him out to a movie. To make Lana special, they had his parents and his friends to completely ignore his birthday for all his life.

Early on they also made chloe's character look spineless in the name of creating a better looking lana. In Rosetta, despite the fact that Lana is the one who snoops at the files, she fudges to Clark that opening the files was an accident, and creates a situation where Clark yells at Chloe, Chloe gives a speech where she apologizes and calls Lana a "sister" (spineless). Then in Witness, the following exchange takes place after Clark blows off an article for the Talon in order to spend time watching Lana ride her horse.

Lana: Chloe, it's my fault. I asked Clark to help me.

Chloe: No, Lana, I don't blame you.

In Fever, Lana asks Chloe if not going to see Clark made her a bad person. Chloe says no. Later, Lana reads Chloe's letter and when Clark asks about Chloe, she states "What happened to you really affected her. Me too. It was really hard seeing you sick." She not only changes to the subject to herself, she implies she went to see him, which is a complete lie, chloe's the one that went to see him.

In vortex martha tells lana: Well, if it makes you feel any better, you made one wish come true that day. Jonathan and I were in Nell's buying flowers right before the meteor shower, and you were sitting on the counter with your wings and wand, and you asked me if I wanted to make a wish. So I did. And not long after that, Clark came into our lives. I-I've never even told Clark that story.

This creates the vibe that martha credits lana for clarks arrival. And why would martha NEVER have told clark that story, especially knowing how he feels about Lana. Again making lana look good/special and another character look bad.

So in light of this character elevation/dimishment, I'm just glad they're at least doing with another character, and to actually progress the storyline.

If this article is written, it is so off based words can't describe. However, I'll do my best. As far as the birthday cake is concerned, Martha and Jonathan didn't want a party for Clark because they didn't want people coming over the house and possibly uncovering Clark's secret. Their policy has always been keep people out of the house. So to say that Lana makes the other characters look bad is ridiculous. She never knew that Jonathan and Martha never threw Clark a party. And by the way, they also never gave Clark a party because they didn't know when his birthday was and they were lying to Clark all of those years about the fact that he was an alien. They didn't want to train him into thinking that he was born on a specific day. I can't fault Jonathan and Martha for this. As for other characters ignoring Clark's birthday, how do we know that is the case? To my knowledge, Smallville started when Clark was 15 or 16 years old. Why does it even matter if anyone else acknowledged his birthday. Once again, this is a pretty weak attempt to put the blame on Lana.

That fever example is bogus as well. Did you forget about the fact that Clark passed out in front of Lana?! I mean come on, get the episode right. She witnessed Clark pass out, so why is it such a selfish thing to say that it affected her too? I guess what you're saying is that Lana should've lied to Clark there so that Clark wouldn't have any chance to jump to these crazy conclusions that would potentially make Chloe look bad. I mean that is ridiculous.

The vortex example is a classic case at someone grasping at straws to make Lana look bad. That was how Martha saw it, blame her if you want. And by the way, why does she have to tell Clark everything that happened? She saw Lana in that moment and it reminded her of what happened years ago. No big deal there if you ask me. I mean let's just take every single positive thing that the writers have done for Lana and trash on it. We can do this for every character on the show if you want.

Fly by guy

04-08-2006, 09:03 AM

I agree that the writers are trashing Lana. Partially on that topic, I have some questions about Void.
Why didn't Lana wait to save Lex like she did with Clark?
Did anyone else think the scene when Lex caught Lana stealing and his little speech looked like a father/daughter talk. Lana looked so young and small.
Concerning Lex, did he want to stay with his mom and that is why he didn't thank Chloe for saving his life?
When Lana went to apologize again, why would she sayLillian should be proud of Lex? How has her memory been erased for the last five years? Could somebody(Lionel) fill her in please.
In the final scene when Lana spoke of wanting to feel her parents warmth, would it have been THAT inappropriate for Clark to have given her a comfort hug, since he had been such a jerk since, well, HIDDEN?
Too, too, too many holes and obvious character assassinations. At least Chloe always comes up rosey. Now let TPTB follow Her lead.
This is for the upcoming "kiss". "A relationship based on secrets and lies is doomed to fail. Don't you agree, Clark?" Lana
Just for us Clana fans.

mobiusklein

04-08-2006, 10:03 AM

You know, I bet Ma and Pa Kent really appreciate being told that their not being related to him by blood negates their parental relationship with their son. And Nell is related by blood to Lana so that statement is even weaker.

myankskent

04-08-2006, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
You know, I bet Ma and Pa Kent really appreciate being told that their not being related to him by blood negates their parental relationship with their son. And Nell is related by blood to Lana so that statement is even weaker.

What statement? And who told Ma and Pa Kent that their being related to Clark by blood negates their parental relationship to him?

Datalor

04-08-2006, 04:09 PM

Chloe knows his secret ...its understandable she get more air time and lets be honest she is quite hot ....DOESNT ALWAYS CRY AND COMPLAIN like LANA (who btw is spending more time with lex) and we all know they will hook up for a while....

but i smell a 2v2

About a previous post i read on how FLASH was faster than superman ... thats lies...

hes faster than clark at his present stage of development but cmon superman <--- sets the bar for all physical abilities ...not to mention clark can woop ass and he cant even fly yet ...

SlickBlonde

04-08-2006, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
If this article is written, it is so off based words can't describe. However, I'll do my best. As far as the birthday cake is concerned, Martha and Jonathan didn't want a party for Clark because they didn't want people coming over the house and possibly uncovering Clark's secret. Their policy has always been keep people out of the house. So to say that Lana makes the other characters look bad is ridiculous. She never knew that Jonathan and Martha never threw Clark a party. And by the way, they also never gave Clark a party because they didn't know when his birthday was and they were lying to Clark all of those years about the fact that he was an alien. They didn't want to train him into thinking that he was born on a specific day. I can't fault Jonathan and Martha for this. As for other characters ignoring Clark's birthday, how do we know that is the case? To my knowledge, Smallville started when Clark was 15 or 16 years old. Why does it even matter if anyone else acknowledged his birthday. Once again, this is a pretty weak attempt to put the blame on Lana.

That fever example is bogus as well. Did you forget about the fact that Clark passed out in front of Lana?! I mean come on, get the episode right. She witnessed Clark pass out, so why is it such a selfish thing to say that it affected her too? I guess what you're saying is that Lana should've lied to Clark there so that Clark wouldn't have any chance to jump to these crazy conclusions that would potentially make Chloe look bad. I mean that is ridiculous.

The vortex example is a classic case at someone grasping at straws to make Lana look bad. That was how Martha saw it, blame her if you want. And by the way, why does she have to tell Clark everything that happened? She saw Lana in that moment and it reminded her of what happened years ago. No big deal there if you ask me. I mean let's just take every single positive thing that the writers have done for Lana and trash on it. We can do this for every character on the show if you want.

Not that the kents never had a party with people, that they never did anything for his birthday at all, no matter how small, even if it was just between the three of them. That they didn't want him to believe he was normal by acknowledging a birthday is pure speculation. If anything by not telling him who he was, i would think they were trying to make him feel as normal as possible; i.e. at least baking him a small b-day cake. The point is NOT that Lana intentionally/knowingly makes other characters look bad, it is that the writing inadvertantly does that, like it is now doing with chloe. I was making a comparison with your statement about chloes actions inadvertantly diminishing other characters. or were you saying that chloe intentionally and knowingly makes other characters look bad, becuz if thats what you meant then you can disregard my entire post because we're talking about completely different things.

We know no one acknowledged his birthday because he said no one had. It matters that they didn't acknowledge it because good friends dont typically to that. Lana found out when his birthday was (it obviously exists in some form), im sure chloe (especially as intrepid as she is) or pete could have. In order to make lana look special they had to make all the other characters ignore his birthday, again NOT LANAS FAULT, she didn't know what others had done. And again in comparison to chloe, how they write her now is NOT her fault.

Again NO ONE IS BLAMING LANA, as i assume you weren't blaming chloe for how her stories have been written as of late. Its how they've written the stories where they make her actions special but inadvertantly make the other characters look neglectful.

The fever example has already been addressed. I qouted mobiusklein's article. I doubt he'll make changes at this point, but thanks for the correction.

Lastly the vortex example is NOT TO TRASH or BLAME LANA. Its how in making her look good/special they make another character look bad. You said " if you want, blame martha", which is right, thats what the viewer is left to do; blame martha. It makes her look a little calous not to ever have shared such a special story with clark, but yet she shared it with lana.

FOR THE FINAL TIME, YOU REALLY NEED TO CHILL OUT WITH ACCUSING ME OF TRASHING LANA. I never accused you of trashing chloe when you said the stories were making her look good, but also making other characters look bad. And in fact I agree with you, her writing has been stealing other characters thunder. All my post was, was to provide a few examples of how the same has been done with lanas character. You took the whole thing completely out of context and just automatically assumed i was bashing lana. Please if you ever reply to my posts again, make sure you understand what im talking about before you jump back with such a..... I'll say "passionate" rebuttle

And yes, we can do this with other characters, especially clark, but this is a thread about LANA, thats why i brought the subject back to LANA

WriteAngel

04-08-2006, 06:34 PM

I just saw this thread and have to post on it. Lana is messed up and she is in desperate need of therapy. and while lana and clark are orphans they have loving people around them and lana has shown zero apreciation to anyone who tries to be there for her...Nell, chloe, (the exception is henry small i think)

SlickBlonde

04-08-2006, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by WriteAngel
I just saw this thread and have to post on it. Lana is messed up and she is in desperate need of therapy. and while lana and clark are orphans they have loving people around them and lana has shown zero apreciation to anyone who tries to be there for her...Nell, chloe, (the exception is henry small i think)

I always thought it was odd that she tried so hard with henry small, but has always been a little less forgiving with Nell. I guess maybe she thinks biology is more important. But then she's always talking about how lucky clark is, so I have no idea.

WriteAngel

04-08-2006, 06:42 PM

QUOTE: SlickBlonde]

Again NO ONE IS BLAMING LANA, as i assume you weren't blaming chloe for how her stories have been written as of late. Its how they've written the stories where they make her actions special but inadvertantly make the other characters look neglectfulQUOTE: SlickBlonde

I agree with you on this, we cant blame lana for the awful way tptb portray ANY character. All we can do is point out the problem and discuss(or complain, as i am sometimes prone to do :\ )

I still have hope that they can restore lana....it may be a fools hope but I've got it nontheless :D

SlickBlonde

04-08-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by WriteAngel
QUOTE: SlickBlonde]

Again NO ONE IS BLAMING LANA, as i assume you weren't blaming chloe for how her stories have been written as of late. Its how they've written the stories where they make her actions special but inadvertantly make the other characters look neglectful

I agree with you on this, we cant blame lana for the awful way tptb portray ANY character. All we can do is point out the problem and discuss(or complain, as i am sometimes prone to do :\ )

I still have hope that they can restore lana....it may be a fools hope but I've got it nontheless :DQUOTE: SlickBlonde]

Well im glad at least someone understands where im comming from. I thought i was loosing my mind for a minute there

WriteAngel

04-08-2006, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I always thought it was odd that she tried so hard with henry small, but has always been a little less forgiving with Nell. I guess maybe she thinks biology is more important. But then she's always talking about how lucky clark is, so I have no idea.

Agreed, very unstable girl- that lana ;). All the writer fault!!!:p

SlickBlonde

04-08-2006, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Fly by guy
I agree that the writers are trashing Lana. Partially on that topic, I have some questions about Void.
Why didn't Lana wait to save Lex like she did with Clark?
Did anyone else think the scene when Lex caught Lana stealing and his little speech looked like a father/daughter talk. Lana looked so young and small.
Concerning Lex, did he want to stay with his mom and that is why he didn't thank Chloe for saving his life?
When Lana went to apologize again, why would she sayLillian should be proud of Lex? How has her memory been erased for the last five years? Could somebody(Lionel) fill her in please.
In the final scene when Lana spoke of wanting to feel her parents warmth, would it have been THAT inappropriate for Clark to have given her a comfort hug, since he had been such a jerk since, well, HIDDEN?
Too, too, too many holes and obvious character assassinations. At least Chloe always comes up rosey. Now let TPTB follow Her lead.
This is for the upcoming "kiss". "A relationship based on secrets and lies is doomed to fail. Don't you agree, Clark?" Lana
Just for us Clana fans.

Umm... hmmm. Okay...First, I can't remember what this is referring to:Why didn't Lana wait to save Lex like she did with Clark?. Can you fill me in.

Lana always looks small, she never completely looks like a woman, which i think is why people find it hard to believe lex would have romantic feelings for her. They've tried to grow her up, darker sexier clothes, sexier hair, it hasn't worked. I think KK still needs to hit puberty.

I dunno about lex not thanking chloe, my inital response would be that he was in shock; knowing that he just died, having just heard what his mom thinks of him, having found out what he's going to become, then being brought back to life. I don't think he necessarily wanted to stay dead.

There is no reason for Lana to think lex's mom should be proud of him. So either she was just trying to be a supportive friend in agreeing with his mom (so she thought) or she really does agree and her memory has been wiped.

I think clark probably did want to hug her, but he's pulled away from her now, he's got to keep it that way if his genius plan is going to work

photogirl

04-08-2006, 08:10 PM

Lana has lost people, yeah, BUT she chooses not to turn to those she still has....that's her choice and her fault. Chloe, Lex, Nell, and even Clark would be willing to be there for her if she really needed them...

Violas

04-08-2006, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Annihilator
well lana is in the tv which is not real. she is the most popular girl in the school and she only has 3 friends? oh common thats just plain stupid!!

Well maybe her other friendships which we havent seen ( never) since ever, was just superficial? She want's real friendship and maybe thats why she feels alone?

SlickBlonde

04-08-2006, 08:16 PM

most super popular people in high school have a lot of fake friends and still only a few real ones. She has people around her to turn to, she doesn't. She thinks people judge her for one thing, she has trust issues with chloe (perhaps those have been resolved, but who knows), she just doesn't know that happiness is a choice. The way you percieve and deal with the world around you is a choice. She has a very external locus of control, she doesn't realize how much control she has over her own happiness and well-being

Datalor

04-09-2006, 04:28 AM

ok guys ....Lanas parents are dead so so that is bound to mess with her head ...im not saying there is a amount of time is takes to get over that ...im just saying other ppl deal with it and live on... her parents died 14year or so ago and she barely remembers them ... i suppose it boils down to nell, she did wot was necessary for 'the good aunt' as she refers to herself in the pilot which suggests she never really wanted or chose to babysit lana but she had to ...
The same reasoning is logical wen we consider she never wanted lana as her responsibility but got her anyways...Nell never showed Lana the love she required and needed to get over her parents and clarks love was so pure it was helping and keeping her at peace...
With no Clark, she has only lex's love but im not defending her ....i hate lana the most...did the writers want me to hate her :)
she is so moany, she has lost her mellowness and easygoing-ness lol :) and she has just ended up like Lexs Sidekick ...
HE WANTS INTO UR PANTS LANA WAKE UP AND STOP IGNORING LEX....

myankskent

04-09-2006, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
Not that the kents never had a party with people, that they never did anything for his birthday at all, no matter how small, even if it was just between the three of them. That they didn't want him to believe he was normal by acknowledging a birthday is pure speculation. If anything by not telling him who he was, i would think they were trying to make him feel as normal as possible; i.e. at least baking him a small b-day cake. The point is NOT that Lana intentionally/knowingly makes other characters look bad, it is that the writing inadvertantly does that, like it is now doing with chloe. I was making a comparison with your statement about chloes actions inadvertantly diminishing other characters. or were you saying that chloe intentionally and knowingly makes other characters look bad, becuz if thats what you meant then you can disregard my entire post because we're talking about completely different things.

We know no one acknowledged his birthday because he said no one had. It matters that they didn't acknowledge it because good friends dont typically to that. Lana found out when his birthday was (it obviously exists in some form), im sure chloe (especially as intrepid as she is) or pete could have. In order to make lana look special they had to make all the other characters ignore his birthday, again NOT LANAS FAULT, she didn't know what others had done. And again in comparison to chloe, how they write her now is NOT her fault.

Again NO ONE IS BLAMING LANA, as i assume you weren't blaming chloe for how her stories have been written as of late. Its how they've written the stories where they make her actions special but inadvertantly make the other characters look neglectful.

The fever example has already been addressed. I qouted mobiusklein's article. I doubt he'll make changes at this point, but thanks for the correction.

Lastly the vortex example is NOT TO TRASH or BLAME LANA. Its how in making her look good/special they make another character look bad. You said " if you want, blame martha", which is right, thats what the viewer is left to do; blame martha. It makes her look a little calous not to ever have shared such a special story with clark, but yet she shared it with lana.

FOR THE FINAL TIME, YOU REALLY NEED TO CHILL OUT WITH ACCUSING ME OF TRASHING LANA. I never accused you of trashing chloe when you said the stories were making her look good, but also making other characters look bad. And in fact I agree with you, her writing has been stealing other characters thunder. All my post was, was to provide a few examples of how the same has been done with lanas character. You took the whole thing completely out of context and just automatically assumed i was bashing lana. Please if you ever reply to my posts again, make sure you understand what im talking about before you jump back with such a..... I'll say "passionate" rebuttle

And yes, we can do this with other characters, especially clark, but this is a thread about LANA, thats why i brought the subject back to LANA

First of all, when I kept saying "you" in my post, I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the person who wrote the article, so don't think that I am attacking you. I was disagreeing with what the article said. I do believe that I can do that. Now it was hard to see in that post what you said compared to what the article said, so I was addressing everything as one. Secondly, I really don't see the relevance of the article to begin with. Whenever someone does something special for another person, the characters around that person will always look bad because they are not the ones doing the good deed. Why this needs to be blown up this much is beyond me. The only reason that I can think of is because the person hates the character of lana and decided to take some good things that she has done and put a spin on them, while blaming the writing instead of the actual character. You can't have a situation where one character does something special for another and then make the other characters surrounding them look just as good. I really don't see martha or Chloe as looking bad anyway. Martha told Clark in that episode that she doesn't usually do anything for his birthday but does that really matter in the show? Martha has only been one of the greatest mothers in history by taking clark in and shielding his secret from the world. So I don't think one little birthday incident means anything in the grand scheme of things.

To me, blaming the writing can be done for certain things, but I don't see the point in making these statements unless you dislike a certain character. This is taking tiny things that happen on the show that mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, and blowing them up to either make the character unintentionally look bad or the writers.

And by the way, if someone hates Lana, then that's fine. But don't take these small things that she does and blame it on the writing because you don't want to say that you hate the character. You're basically admitting that you dislike her character if you take good things that she has done and find something to complain about. That's probably why my post had an edge to it. The article was like, "I don't like her character but instead of blaming her directly which will annoy certain people, I'll cover my tracks by blaming the writing so no one can call me on it."

And if you, SlickBlonde, disagree with what I said above, or feel that I am referring to you when I should be referring to the writer of the article, then you can call me on it, but I don't want to start a shouting match here. I just wanted my viewpoint clearly stated.

SlickBlonde

04-09-2006, 12:37 PM

I would've liked mine stated clearly as well. But despite a very descriptive post about how I wasn't bashing or blaming lana for doing nice things or having nice things done for her, you're still on this kick about me hating Lana. I clearly stated how none of the examples were in anyway her fault, but now you're saying that I'm using that as a disguise because I secretly hate her, now that's bogus. I don't hate her by the way.

You still have yet to address the fact that this is to be viewd on the same plain as your statement about chloe's writting diminishing what other characters should be doing or should have done. Why do I have to dislike her to notice that in elevating her they have had to inadvertantly cut some other characters down? Do you now hate chloe becasue that's what is being done with her? I realize they are doing this with chloe, as I realize they have done it with Lana, but I don't hate either character for it. It's very odd you for to say that, but if that's how you percieve it, I would advise you to work on your analytical skills.

You're obviously impossible to talk to about Lana objectively; apparently there just has to be some underlying bias either for or against her. I'm not replying to any more of your posts and if you address me directly I will not respond to you. It's useless.

Originally posted by Datalor
ok guys ....Lanas parents are dead so so that is bound to mess with her head ...im not saying there is a amount of time is takes to get over that ...im just saying other ppl deal with it and live on... her parents died 14year or so ago and she barely remembers them ... i suppose it boils down to nell, she did wot was necessary for 'the good aunt' as she refers to herself in the pilot which suggests she never really wanted or chose to babysit lana but she had to ...
The same reasoning is logical wen we consider she never wanted lana as her responsibility but got her anyways...Nell never showed Lana the love she required and needed to get over her parents and clarks love was so pure it was helping and keeping her at peace...
With no Clark, she has only lex's love but im not defending her ....i hate lana the most...did the writers want me to hate her :)
she is so moany, she has lost her mellowness and easygoing-ness lol :) and she has just ended up like Lexs Sidekick ...
HE WANTS INTO UR PANTS LANA WAKE UP AND STOP IGNORING LEX....

I've I said before that Nell did the best she could with Lana, but it was more like a much older sister raising a younger sister. Either she didn't really want to do it and/or didn't really know how to go about it. I think Lana just has the personality type of needing a lot of love in her life, unfortuantely she never got it, which has made her journey exceptionally difficult. But now she's got to learn to love herself instead of relying on others to do it, especially not lex...

myankskent

04-09-2006, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I would've liked mine stated clearly as well. But despite a very descriptive post about how I wasn't bashing or blaming lana for doing nice things or having nice things done for her, you're still on this kick about me hating Lana. I clearly stated how none of the examples were in anyway her fault, but now you're saying that I'm using that as a disguise because I secretly hate her, now that's bogus. I don't hate her by the way.

You still have yet to address the fact that this is to be viewd on the same plain as your statement about chloe's writting diminishing what other characters should be doing or should have done. Why do I have to dislike her to notice that in elevating her they have had to inadvertantly cut some other characters down? Do you now hate chloe becasue that's what is being done with her? I realize they are doing this with chloe, as I realize they have done it with Lana, but I don't hate either character for it. It's very odd you for to say that, but if that's how you percieve it, I would advise you to work on your analytical skills.

You're obviously impossible to talk to about Lana objectively; apparently there just has to be some underlying bias either for or against her. I'm not replying to any more of your posts and if you address me directly I will not respond to you. It's useless.

Did you not read the part in my last post that said that I was addressing the points made by the person in the article, NOT YOU! You posted what was said in the article, I responded to it. So please don't think that I am attacking you because I know that you were not the one who came up with all of those examples. And I was debating those points. If the person who wrote the article wants to respond back, then fine. But like I said, don't think that I am criticizing things that you say.

Now that we get that part out of the way, I'll respond to your point about Chloe. Yes, I've said that Chloe now in season 5 has been making the other characters look bad. But the reasons for why I say that is not the same as the Lana points made in the article. I feel at this point in the show, that Chloe is occupying the roles that should be reserved for other characters, according to the comics. Lois should be the main journalist at this point in time, that is why she is being wasted on the show right now. You have two Lois Lanes on this show, and everyone knows that Chloe was created to be the Lois Lane of Clark's life. Also, according to the comics, Lana is the one who knows the secret and is best friends with Clark. Once again, I don't hate Chloe but she is a character that is stepping on the toes of other characters right now, thus making their roles kind of useless, ie. Lana going to Lex instead of becoming Clark's close friend Lois walking around without any sort of significant role on this show. Now as for the points made above about Lana in those episodes that the article was referring to, what she did with throwing Clark a birthday party does not take away from Martha's character on the show, or Chloe's. They are still as important to the show with or without throwing Clark the party. Do you see what I'm getting at? The same goes for the example in Vortex where Martha tells Lana that she, in a way, got the wish that Lana gave her when she found Clark. Again, these points are addressing things in the article which was not written by you.

SlickBlonde

04-09-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Did you not read the part in my last post that said that I was addressing the points made by the person in the article, NOT YOU! You posted what was said in the article, I responded to it. So please don't think that I am attacking you because I know that you were not the one who came up with all of those examples. And I was debating those points. If the person who wrote the article wants to respond back, then fine. But like I said, don't think that I am criticizing things that you say.

Now that we get that part out of the way, I'll respond to your point about Chloe. Yes, I've said that Chloe now in season 5 has been making the other characters look bad. But the reasons for why I say that is not the same as the Lana points made in the article. I feel at this point in the show, that Chloe is occupying the roles that should be reserved for other characters, according to the comics. Lois should be the main journalist at this point in time, that is why she is being wasted on the show right now. You have two Lois Lanes on this show, and everyone knows that Chloe was created to be the Lois Lane of Clark's life. Also, according to the comics, Lana is the one who knows the secret and is best friends with Clark. Once again, I don't hate Chloe but she is a character that is stepping on the toes of other characters right now, thus making their roles kind of useless, ie. Lana going to Lex instead of becoming Clark's close friend Lois walking around without any sort of significant role on this show. Now as for the points made above about Lana in those episodes that the article was referring to, what she did with throwing Clark a birthday party does not take away from Martha's character on the show, or Chloe's. They are still as important to the show with or without throwing Clark the party. Do you see what I'm getting at? The same goes for the example in Vortex where Martha tells Lana that she, in a way, got the wish that Lana gave her when she found Clark. Again, these points are addressing things in the article which was not written by you.

I agree with what I cited from the article, thats why I cited those things ( I'm sorry I thought that was understood). And when you say that my words or cited words are bogus and then go off on a tangent about how its all just because I or the writer hates Lana, you are criticizing and attacking. If you don't want to be perceived that way, then don't do those things; tact is an indispensable virtue. In case you read it though, I don't agree with the entire article, only the things that I cited. My point had nothing to do with the overall gist of the article. I used three examples in the article to make my own point. But thank you for finally being objective.

My point was not that what was done with lana and what is now being done with chloe are in anyway similar in story arc or motivation. Only that the idea of one character being elevated inadvertently (meaning not purposefully) sets back other characters has been done before. I would argue that early on in the series a major story arc or premise that needed to be established was that Lana is special, innately good, and pure. If you don't agree that that was a major story arc or premise, then you won't see my viewpoint, but I'll still continue. But anyway certain stories, like the ones I cited, effectively created this groundwork for Lanas character (her being special, good and pure), but they also (not intentionally by the writers or Lana herself), ended up taking a little bit away from other characters. And at times a lot away from chloe's character; the most blatant example of that is when chloe ended up apologizing for actually being angry at lana for going through her personal things. As for the "one little birthday incident" as you put it and the vortex example, they are just that; examples. I gave you three examples. I get the feeling that any example i give you would be automatically dismissed as "that one little incident" or "that one little example", because they are ALL isolated examples. They are all isolated incidences that have worked collectively to build her character. Most people on these boards don't provide any examples. I have no doubt that I could come up with more, but I'm not going to rewatch the entire series and give you examples until I come up with one you're satisfied with well enough to see my point. So we'll simply agree to disagree that I've made my point. And on a side note, you most certainly can make a character look good without making others look bad, even when the other characters don't perform the same act. It's a lack of creativity in the writing.

Bottom line, as far as lana then and chloe now, the motivations are different, the story arcs are different, the magnitude of toe-stepping (if you will) is different, but the effect is very much the same. Establishing the goodness/grandeur/importance, whatever you want to call it, of one character while unnecessarily and unintentionally diminishing the strength/purpose/goodness of another character. My point is very much about the writing and is not a guise for the alleged personal hatred for Lana. I want to reiterate that; this is about the writing and not me or the writer of the article hating Lana. I don't hate Lana, I don't know if the writer of article hates Lana or not, but what I cited from that article to make my point was not based on some hidden hatred for her character.

myankskent

04-09-2006, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I agree with what I cited from the article, thats why I cited those things ( I'm sorry I thought that was understood). And when you say that my words or cited words are bogus and then go off on a tangent about how its all just because I or the writer hates Lana, you are criticizing and attacking. If you don't want to be perceived that way, then don't do those things; tact is an indispensable virtue. In case you read it though, I don't agree with the entire article, only the things that I cited. My point had nothing to do with the overall gist of the article. I used three examples in the article to make my own point. But thank you for finally being objective.

My point was not that what was done with lana and what is now being done with chloe are in anyway similar in story arc or motivation. Only that the idea of one character being elevated inadvertently (meaning not purposefully) sets back other characters has been done before. I would argue that early on in the series a major story arc or premise that needed to be established was that Lana is special, innately good, and pure. If you don't agree that that was a major story arc or premise, then you won't see my viewpoint, but I'll still continue. But anyway certain stories, like the ones I cited, effectively created this groundwork for Lanas character (her being special, good and pure), but they also (not intentionally by the writers or Lana herself), ended up taking a little bit away from other characters. And at times a lot away from chloe's character; the most blatant example of that is when chloe ended up apologizing for actually being angry at lana for going through her personal things. As for the "one little birthday incident" as you put it and the vortex example, they are just that; examples. I gave you three examples. I get the feeling that any example i give you would be automatically dismissed as "that one little incident" or "that one little example", because they are ALL isolated examples. They are all isolated incidences that have worked collectively to build her character. Most people on these boards don't provide any examples. I have no doubt that I could come up with more, but I'm not going to rewatch the entire series and give you examples until I come up with one you're satisfied with well enough to see my point. So we'll simply agree to disagree that I've made my point. And on a side note, you most certainly can make a character look good without making others look bad, even when the other characters don't perform the same act. It's a lack of creativity in the writing.

Bottom line, as far as lana then and chloe now, the motivations are different, the story arcs are different, the magnitude of toe-stepping (if you will) is different, but the effect is very much the same. Establishing the goodness/grandeur/importance, whatever you want to call it, of one character while unnecessarily and unintentionally diminishing the strength/purpose/goodness of another character. My point is very much about the writing and is not a guise for the alleged personal hatred for Lana. I want to reiterate that; this is about the writing and not me or the writer of the article hating Lana. I don't hate Lana, I don't know if the writer of article hates Lana or not, but what I cited from that article to make my point was not based on some hidden hatred for her character.

Bottom line is, as far as Chloe is concerned, and this is just my opinion, she made her character seem less special back at the beginning of the series by deciding to investigate Clark and intentionally go into other people's business. It had nothing to do with Lana. Just like Lana's stupidity this season to even think about getting close to Lex has nothing to do with Chloe. And Chloe didn't forgive Lana right away when she found her going through her things. She got really angry at Lana, rightfully so, and Clark later said that he would forgive her for what she did to him if she forgave Lana. Maybe you would've rathered Chloe stick to her guns and not forgive Lana, but unfortunately for her it was something that she was guilty of several times, both before and after this incident. So a little later on in that episode, Chloe and Lana had a nice little chat and patched things up. So I don't even see why you would think that Lana had anything to do with Chloe looking bad in that particular scenario. If anything, Chloe looked good because she demonstrated her ability to forgive another person and not be a hypocrit because Clark forgave her for doing the exact same thing that Lana did.

And I do agree that Lana's character early on needed to be established as a good and pure person, just as it was established for Chloe's character to be pushy all of the time with her reporting. But from what you said, it seems as if you think that Lana's character was too forced to be so good back in those days, and if that's the case, you are entitled to your opinion. Thinking about this whole thing now, I really don't even see the point of arguing about this because it's clear that you are using examples to justify the fact that you feel Chloe's character, your favorite character apparently due to your name and avatar, has been weakened so Lana's character can be strengthened. I just don't see it, but we'll agree to disagree.

FotW

04-10-2006, 12:24 PM

Frankly I didn't like how "Void" was trying so hard the whole episode to make us feel sorry for Lana. It practically screamed at us to feel sorry for her because she is some kind of victim. "Woe is Lana Clark won't share his secrets and love her for all time so she is forced to take some horrible drugs" and " weep for Lana, the evil meteors from Clark's planet killed her parents, and she will never ever be happy again!" What I don't like is how Lana was made out to be as a helpless, suffering innocent, and no one blamed her at all - when her actions in "Void" led to both Lex and Clark almost getting killed. But what it worse IMO is that since Lex and Lana kiss in "Fragile", this whole episode was to make sure that Lex will look extra "evil" for making Lana the helpless "victim" of his "seduction" due to her newly revealed mental problems or weaknesses. When Lana is the one using Lex as her rebound boyfriend, IMO.This is completely unfair to Lex who has only ever tried to help Lana who most of the time seems ungrateful. It's making me very bitter.

Originally posted by angelfire east
Is it lana doing this too herself? She said she felt alone for a long time even when she was with Clark. She's always alone. She never connected with Nell, never treated her or acted like she was a mother to her even though Nell looked after her for 12 years and was loving towards her.

She's feeling even more alone because since the break up with Clark but she doesn't go to her friends (Chloe/Lex/Lois), her aunt or her dad? She's so bad off she killing herself, I'm sure her father would be there for her and I'm sure all of the people I listed would. She turns to someone she doesn't know to drugs that killer you then being you back.

She says she feels alone even when she with people and I'm wondering if she makes herself alone.

What do you think? Do I got it all wrong.

mobiusklein

04-10-2006, 12:32 PM

Seriously, I'm wondering when Lana is going to say to someone "Stay with me or I'll kill myself."

I happen to enjoy Bree Van De Camp but her getting drunk after wailing to the guy she has the hots for that she needs him. It's sad and pathetic and it's equally sad and pathetic for Lana. Bree has a monstrous son who's trying to accuse her of crimes she didn't commit in order to get emancipated, is recently widowed and found out the boyfriend she was dating killed her husband AND suffers from an incredible amount of OCD and is an alcoholic so I'd say that in the tragedy sweepstakes, she gives Lana a run for her money. Bree turned to booze and her hots for this guy and Lana turned to Krypto-crack and men.

thing is don't ask people to consider Lana strong and independent and all that when she does something like this. And I think people are fed up with TPTB trying to have it both ways of "feel sorry for Lana but please think she's blameless/pure/perfect at the same time." No thank you.

angelfire east

04-10-2006, 02:04 PM

mobiusklein

04-10-2006, 02:09 PM

And honestly why isn't Lana in an asylum now? Hmmm, drugged out behavior, stealing stuff, etc. It's not like she has much hesitation if it was someone else, ya know.

GooN

04-10-2006, 02:34 PM

she is the victim, yes. but that's the path the writers chose instead of giving her a hobby or summin to give her more substance. The witch stuff was ********, the talon stuff was alrite i guess at first, then got boring, the whitney thing got played out too, but i liked the whole Adam thing tho..... 1/4 = nono.

i sense a death scene...or reason to leave smallville for good comin up.

All about Clark

04-10-2006, 02:45 PM

TPTB are showing Lana as the helpless victim and psycologically messed up to prove why she shouldn't know the secret, that it would be too much for her at this time.

I always thought Lana would know during the finale, but with these latest events, maybe not.

myankskent

04-10-2006, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by FotW
Frankly I didn't like how "Void" was trying so hard the whole episode to make us feel sorry for Lana. It practically screamed at us to feel sorry for her because she is some kind of victim. "Woe is Lana Clark won't share his secrets and love her for all time so she is forced to take some horrible drugs" and " weep for Lana, the evil meteors from Clark's planet killed her parents, and she will never ever be happy again!" What I don't like is how Lana was made out to be as a helpless, suffering innocent, and no one blamed her at all - when her actions in "Void" led to both Lex and Clark almost getting killed. But what it worse IMO is that since Lex and Lana kiss in "Fragile", this whole episode was to make sure that Lex will look extra "evil" for making Lana the helpless "victim" of his "seduction" due to her newly revealed mental problems or weaknesses. When Lana is the one using Lex as her rebound boyfriend, IMO.This is completely unfair to Lex who has only ever tried to help Lana who most of the time seems ungrateful. It's making me very bitter.

I didn't feel bad for Lana in Void. I never looked at it in a way where she was depressed over the breakup with Clark. I think the reason why she did went a lot deeper than the breakup. But besides, anyone who gets hooked on drugs, in my opinion, deserves what they get. She played with her life but at least she realized that she made a mistake at the end of the episode and she is not going to turn into a drug addict.

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Seriously, I'm wondering when Lana is going to say to someone "Stay with me or I'll kill myself."

I happen to enjoy Bree Van De Camp but her getting drunk after wailing to the guy she has the hots for that she needs him. It's sad and pathetic and it's equally sad and pathetic for Lana. Bree has a monstrous son who's trying to accuse her of crimes she didn't commit in order to get emancipated, is recently widowed and found out the boyfriend she was dating killed her husband AND suffers from an incredible amount of OCD and is an alcoholic so I'd say that in the tragedy sweepstakes, she gives Lana a run for her money. Bree turned to booze and her hots for this guy and Lana turned to Krypto-crack and men.

thing is don't ask people to consider Lana strong and independent and all that when she does something like this. And I think people are fed up with TPTB trying to have it both ways of "feel sorry for Lana but please think she's blameless/pure/perfect at the same time." No thank you.

Wait just a minute. This scenario is a lot different than someone getting hooked on cocaine or alcohol. She had a way to see her parents, it wasn't like she was getting cracked out and getting behind the wheel and doing wreckless things. She risked her life to have the chance to see her parents again, plus, they had a serum to bring her out of that flatlining state. So I don't compare what Lana did in this episode to the standard "let's get hooked on drugs" type of thing that we see in real life.

mobiusklein

04-10-2006, 03:13 PM

What Lana did was worse in my opinion. She risked DEATH and she got her friends nearly killed because of her dead parents fetish. Her need to go see happy parents cooing over her made her steal a car. How is that NOT like getting behind a wheel and doing reckless things? I'm sorry but getting a few minutes with people who are long gone by risking the welfare of people who are HERE. Sorry, selfish.

angelfire east

04-10-2006, 03:19 PM

I still stand by my first post, it's Lana.

The reason she alwasy feels alone is on her, NOT Chloe, Nell, Clark etc. She has people there wanted her to be part of their families, wanting to be there for her but she chooses not to be a part of them or go to them

And I think it's unfair on Clark (as big as jerk as he is) to put on him "he's the only one who can make her happy" "If only he'd tell her the turth she'd be happy" blah blah blah. She is the one who needs to make herself happy, and only her.

myankskent

04-10-2006, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
What Lana did was worse in my opinion. She risked DEATH and she got her friends nearly killed because of her dead parents fetish. Her need to go see happy parents cooing over her made her steal a car. How is that NOT like getting behind a wheel and doing reckless things? I'm sorry but getting a few minutes with people who are long gone by risking the welfare of people who are HERE. Sorry, selfish.

No doubt it's selfish, but how did she nearly get people killed? Clark never had to go and save her, what she was doing was effecting herself, no one else. Stealing Lex's car was bad, no doubt, but it's about time someone messed with Lex after all of the things that he has done to other people. Point is she wasn't getting drunk and then getting behind the wheel like Lex did in Reckoning, she was potentially killing herself, no one else. Plus, she did inject Clark with the serum to save his life after he flatlined.

Once again, what Lana did was foolish, selfish and tremendously stupid, but she did it to try and get something positive, the chance to speak with her parents again. Isn't that what Clark got when he spoke with Jonathan? Do you think Clark isn't happy that he was able to speak with him one more time and learn that Lionel knows his secret? It was a special conversation that he had with Jonathan that he will probably remember forever.

HalJordan4184

04-10-2006, 03:35 PM

they have a serum to bring you out of a cocaine overdose. Does this make using cocaine okay now, becuase something can snap you otu of your stupor? Considering the one other girl, who was flatlining regularly as well, OD'd and died, Lana was gambling with her life, and it is the same as alcohol or crack. Just because she didn't pick up a gun and kill someone, doesn't mean she wasn't headed down that path. Most drug addicts don't kill people WHILE they are high, they kill them, rob them, beat them, etc, when they are strung out, trying to FIND their next high.

All about Clark

04-10-2006, 03:39 PM

No she didn't. She didn't have it at her disposal, Clark simply came out of it on his own.

What Lana did is the worst thing a person can do, essentially killing herself and hoping that this guy was capable or willing to bring her back, he could have used the green serum and simply left her to die, she doesn't know this guy well enough to risk her life, it was plain stupidity.

And yes, her actions caused both Lex and Clark to be hit with the serum, so she essentially risked their lives as well. I can't think of anything worse she could do to someone she cares about.

myankskent

04-10-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
No she didn't. She didn't have it at her disposal, Clark simply came out of it on his own.

What Lana did is the worst thing a person can do, essentially killing herself and hoping that this guy was capable or willing to bring her back, he could have used the green serum and simply left her to die, she doesn't know this guy well enough to risk her life, it was plain stupidity.

And yes, her actions caused both Lex and Clark to be hit with the serum, so she essentially risked their lives as well. I can't think of anything worse she could do to someone she cares about.

No because Lana never called Clark for help, she would've just died had they not been there. Once again, it was stupid of Lana but it was her life, no one else's. It was a decision that she made because she wanted something badly, so I don't look at it the same way has someone taking cocaine and turning into murderers as a result or killing people because they decide to get behind the wheel of a car and get into an accident.

mobiusklein

04-10-2006, 03:49 PM

So, myaskent, is it OK if Clark ignores her next time and lets her die. Perhaps he should.

It's funny. It's bad if people ignore her when she's suffering but it's all their fault if they get hurt trying to help her.

And after all that, she realized that trying to go to her parents was BAD so the goal was BAD. She really didn't get much out of it.

there's methadone for smack, it doesn't make smack better.

myankskent

04-10-2006, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
So, myaskent, is it OK if Clark ignores her next time and lets her die. Perhaps he should.

It's funny. It's bad if people ignore her when she's suffering but it's all their fault if they get hurt trying to help her.

Absolutely Clark can ignore her the next time. If Clark views Lana as a girl that is not worth saving anymore, then by all means let her die. That's his choice and I wouldn't fault him for feeling that way if Lana is a bad person.

All about Clark

04-10-2006, 04:05 PM

I don't agree, the moment Lana stole Lex's car keys, she involved him, which makes her guilty of bringing harm to him.

On a side note, I was disappointed that she apologized to Lex and not to Clark, who went thru them same thing.

xrayvision

04-10-2006, 07:37 PM

Well, she should have listen to the bogus Jude Royce (in Zero) when he said that everything Lex is involved with goes bad. If she would have, she would have very likely still been with Clark and perhaps not getting into these situations.

I do wish the best for the character though. She has been through the ringer lately and has to truly experience Lex's evil to finally be aware of it. She hasn't seen as much as Clark or Chloe have in that department. Her main experiences have been with Adam, Jason, and Genevieve. Adam wasn't around too much and was a victim of Lionel's experiments, though she shouldn't have brought him into her life so soon. She never really found out what Jason was all about since he died before she got to witness it firsthand. She did briefly experience Genevieve's evil, but that was very short-lived and she wasn't one of Lana's friends.

Even though what happened in Void had nothing to do with Lex being evil, she really needs counseling. After Lex is through with her, I don't wanna know how much worse of a wreck she will be.

BTW, I wonder if Lex kept some of those vials of that drug. Maybe he will have Luthorcorp try to duplicate it to have temporary sessions with his mother.

All about Clark

04-10-2006, 07:59 PM

I guess if Lana wasn't so busy feeling and focusing on her loneliness, she could have really been a part of the Kent's lives, but it's her choices that are bad, like dropping a bomb on Clark telling him she's moving after she packed. That was the first sign of trouble.

I actually saw Lois and Lana similar in feeling lonely the way they grew up, but the way Lois involved herself in the Kent's lives seem to save her and to gain her footing to form a life for herself, Lana could have easily beat her to that position.

Oh, and exactly who would have volunteered to use the red vial to bring Lex back. hehe

myankskent

04-10-2006, 08:08 PM

angelfire east

04-10-2006, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
No doubt it's selfish, but how did she nearly get people killed? Clark never had to go and save her, what she was doing was effecting herself, no one else.

Point is she wasn't getting drunk and then getting behind the wheel like Lex did in Reckoning, she was potentially killing herself, no one else. Plus, she did inject Clark with the serum to save his life after he flatlined.

As soon as she stoal Lex's car she knew she was getting him imvolved. Lex won't just let her her leave went she was so bad off, let alone steal her car. She knows Lex is in love with her and cares about her.

She was putting others at risk, just look at her actions, I can just imagen how fast she drove to get the college to get her fix. She was strung out, just look at her relactions to sudden things (Lex finding her, the med student trying to kill her, the med student killing Clark!). She was putting everyone else at risk on the road, it's like some one driving druck or really dozy (which I think Lana was).

She didn't injerk Clark to save him; she stood over her dead body crying (?). Clark said himself when 'the kryptonite left his body and he came back to life' Stipdest reason ever.

Originally posted by myankskent
Stealing Lex's car was bad, no doubt, but it's about time someone messed with Lex after all of the things that he has done to other people.

Yes but lana doesn't know Lex is bad, who know why she doesn't see it since it's standing right in front of her (what happened to Victor and everything that happened with the stones etc).

And there is someone messing with Lex, he's been doing it long before Lex messed with other people. His name is Lionel, just look at stuff with the political campaign. Lionel is always there ripping lex down, messing with him. I'm not defending Lex but there is someone there messing with him.

Originally posted by myankskent
Absolutely Clark can ignore her the next time. If Clark views Lana as a girl that is not worth saving anymore, then by all means let her die. That's his choice and I wouldn't fault him for feeling that way if Lana is a bad person.

That's not very superman is it. Superman/Clark Kent values all life, even crimes/evil people, he doesn't kill or let bad people die. Even SV Clark doesn't let Lionel die and look at the horrible things he done to Clark and Clark has seen him do.

Originally posted by All about Clark
I guess if Lana wasn't so busy feeling and focusing on her loneliness, she could have really been a part of the Kent's lives, but it's her choices that are bad, like dropping a bomb on Clark telling him she's moving after she packed. That was the first sign of trouble.

I actually saw Lois and Lana similar in feeling lonely the way they grew up, but the way Lois involved herself in the Kent's lives seem to save her and to gain her footing to form a life for herself, Lana could have easily beat her to that position.

She didn't need to become a part of the Kent's lifes (family) in the way Lois did, she had Nell and the Sullivans there for her and she didn't want to become part of either of their familys.

Lois and Lana are not the same and don't think they can really be compared. Lois's problems weren't the same of Lanas' and thus Lana problems can't be fixed the way Lois's were. Lana's problems and issuse are much deeper then Loiss' but I really don't want to get into this because I really don't want this to become a lana vs lois debate thread.

I agree that was the first sign of trouble for there relationship, that and her saying "lets try to get back to where we were before" she said the same thing with Jason and thing (like with clana) went down hill from there. Foouceing on trying to go back (which you can't do) is never good, they should have fouced on getting to someone where new, just as good but different.

Watching Smallville

04-10-2006, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
I guess if Lana wasn't so busy feeling and focusing on her loneliness, she could have really been a part of the Kent's lives, but it's her choices that are bad, like dropping a bomb on Clark telling him she's moving after she packed. That was the first sign of trouble.

I actually saw Lois and Lana similar in feeling lonely the way they grew up, but the way Lois involved herself in the Kent's lives seem to save her and to gain her footing to form a life for herself, Lana could have easily beat her to that position.
I completely agree with your post, and I think it's a really interesting comparison. Lois is searching for a solution to her loneliness in live people -- that's a difference. :rolleyes:

Oh, and as for Lois being a waste -- she's the main reason I kept watching last season, so I gotta disagree with that assessment.

I feel really bad for Lana at this point in the story. She doesn't seem to know how to find happiness. She's not getting a lot of help, but she's also not taking full advantage of the opportunities she does have.

angelfire east

04-10-2006, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Oh, and as for Lois being a waste --

I don't want to get into this but I've gotta say Lois is less a "waste" now then when she started the show, she has job, her own place, a car, she's helped the Kents out with the camplain (helped save Martha's life). She's really gotten herself together.

Watching Smallville

04-10-2006, 09:37 PM

For me it's not so much what the character does for a living or has -- it's more what the character's personality brings to the mix -- reactions to others and their reactions. It was nice to be able to watch a character who wasn't whining or moping or moony dreaming over someone. ;)

All about Clark

04-10-2006, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east
She didn't need to become a part of the Kent's lifes (family) in the way Lois did, she had Nell and the Sullivans there for her and she didn't want to become part of either of their familys.

Lois and Lana are not the same and don't think they can really be compared. Lois's problems weren't the same of Lanas' and thus Lana problems can't be fixed the way Lois's were. Lana's problems and issuse are much deeper then Loiss' but I really don't want to get into this because I really don't want this to become a lana vs lois debate thread.

Actually, on these boards I can compare any 2 people I chose to.

As for the first part, if Lana didn't feel close to Nell and the Sullivan's, she had other choices which I've stated. Lana has made choices to distance herself from anyone that is willing to treat her as family. She has allowed herself to wallow in self pity, instead of picking herself up and moving on, the way that Lois did. And my comparison was regarding the lonely way the 2 were raised, one with a father too busy to care for her and the other with an Aunt she just couldn't see eye to eye with.

What I find really interesting is that why Lana can't realize the good and the bad based on the parents of the people in her life. How can she be so mistrustful of Clark with his parents and be willing to trust Lex in a relationship seeing his parent, such a scarry thought.

angelfire east

04-10-2006, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
For me it's not so much what the character does for a living or has -- it's more what the character's personality brings to the mix -- reactions to others and their reactions. It was nice to be able to watch a character who wasn't whining or moping or moony dreaming over someone. ;)

Agreed, I was just saying she really pulled her life together since the she first started on the show.

It's so nice to have a character who isn't pinning/angsting over another character. I thought Chloe was right there with Lois on that front but sadly the stupid tptb keep draging her down and making her still have feelings for Clark :mad:

The only character I don't mind pining over another is Marhta, she had good reason; her husbend just died and they had a long and loving relaionship.

Originally posted by All about Clark
Actually, on these boards I can compare any 2 people I chose to.

I didn't mean to say you can't compare them, just in my mind they aren't two people who go together for being compared. (things too different)

myankskent

04-10-2006, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east
I don't want to get into this but I've gotta say Lois is less a "waste" now then when she started the show, she has job, her own place, a car, she's helped the Kents out with the camplain (helped save Martha's life). She's really gotten herself together.

Lois has absolutely no impact on the show. The campaign storyline lasted all of two episodes. The fact of the matter is Lois is a sidebar kind of character. She's not in every episode and when she is, she is only used as a person who tags along with Chloe while she solves a mystery.

Originally posted by angelfire east

She was putting others at risk, just look at her actions, I can just imagen how fast she drove to get the college to get her fix. She was strung out, just look at her relactions to sudden things (Lex finding her, the med student trying to kill her, the med student killing Clark!). She was putting everyone else at risk on the road, it's like some one driving druck or really dozy (which I think Lana was).

We never saw Lana driving on the road so we can't be sure if she put people in danger. That serum is not like a normal drug. It causes you to flatline but it doesn't impair you as much as normal drugs like cocaine. So maybe Lana was drowsy, but she certainly wasn't banged up as much as people are when they drink too much or when they are high.

That's not very superman is it. Superman/Clark Kent values all life, even crimes/evil people, he doesn't kill or let bad people die. Even SV Clark doesn't let Lionel die and look at the horrible things he done to Clark and Clark has seen him do.

I understand this. I just said that Clark could ignore her to make a point. Of course he wouldn't.

She didn't need to become a part of the Kent's lifes (family) in the way Lois did, she had Nell and the Sullivans there for her and she didn't want to become part of either of their familys.

How do we even know this? Are Nell and the Sullivans in the show anymore? I don't see Chloe spending a lot of time with her dad, so am I to assume that she cut him off? Again, what you say above cannot be proven because the writers fail to address those characters at this point in the show.

Lois and Lana are not the same and don't think they can really be compared. Lois's problems weren't the same of Lanas' and thus Lana problems can't be fixed the way Lois's were. Lana's problems and issuse are much deeper then Loiss' but I really don't want to get into this because I really don't want this to become a lana vs lois debate thread.

Lana and Lois cannot be compared because we know absolutely nothing about Lois. She came into the show during season 4 and she hasn't had as much exposure as all of the other characters on this show. The writers haven't gone deep into Lois' character like they have with others. She is an extra character that they can throw in a show for some eye candy and maybe a few laughs, that's the extent of Lois' character to this point.

Watching Smallville

04-10-2006, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east
It's so nice to have a character who isn't pinning/angsting over another character. I thought Chloe was right there with Lois on that front but sadly the stupid tptb keep draging her down and making her still have feelings for Clark :mad:
It's sooooo nice.

And as for Chloe, at least she braces herself and tries to handle whatever's going on with Clark and Lana. I think the fact that she still loves Clark is pretty realistic, but she puts her feelings aside. It was so interesting in Slumber that Clark's dream of Lana was that she didn't question him or push him to explain himself. I always wondered -- if Lana had given Clark just a little more room, would he have finally told her. If she had not gone to see Lex in Reckoning. If her decisions were different, would she be happier?

Originally posted by myankskent
The writers haven't gone deep into Lois' character like they have with others.
Actually, they have. She doesn't have a lot of screen time, but we know a lot about her values. They're pretty deliberate about showing who Lois is. It's actually kind of surprising to me that they're so up front with her.

angelfire east

04-11-2006, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by myankskent
Lois has absolutely no impact on the show. The campaign storyline lasted all of two episodes. The fact of the matter is Lois is a sidebar kind of character. She's not in every episode and when she is, she is only used as a person who tags along with Chloe while she solves a mystery.

I'd like to answer this and your other stuff about Lois but I don't want to get into Lois or 'Lana vs. Lois' in this thread because this is a about Lana not Lois.

Originally posted by myankskent
We never saw Lana driving on the road so we can't be sure if she put people in danger. That serum is not like a normal drug. It causes you to flat line but it doesn't impair you as much as normal drugs like cocaine. So maybe Lana was drowsy, but she certainly wasn't banged up as much as people are when they drink too much or when they are high.

I agree it doesn't impair you as much as say cocaine but I was basing that on her reactions to things. She just stood there which the guy attacked Clark and killed and did put up that great of a fight when the guy grabbed her. Why didn't she? She knows Lana Fu and has killed bigger/badder guys butts before or at least put up more of a fight. IMO it's because flat lining was effecting her body as well as emotionally. If she didn't have it in her to help Clark (and her self really in that saturation) which was not long after her drive I highly doubt she was miss safe driver of the year and that if any problems came up on the road she'd be any to hand them very well (just like she couldn't handle problems that came up with the med student).

Honestly do you really think she was following the speed limit if she couldn't even take the time to find something to break the glass to get the needles (she punched throw it with her bear hand).

Originally posted by myankskent
How do we even know this? Are Nell and the Sullivan’s in the show anymore? I don't see Chloe spending a lot of time with her dad, so am I to assume that she cut him off? Again, what you say above cannot be proven because the writers fail to address those characters at this point in the show.

Nell can't be shutting Lana out of her life too much if Lana could go to her after she saw Clark about to have sex with another woman. Also didn't she say in Lexmas when she whined about the x-mas trees she stayed with Nell every Christmas? Nell wanted Lana to come with her (she didn't want/force Lana out of her life). I said Sullivan’s I was talking about both Chloe and Gabe. Gabe Sullivan has dropped off the face of the earth from what I can tell.:mad: But I was speaking of seasons 2-3, Both Sullivan’s welcomed Lana into their homes, Chloe tried to make Lana part of her family (the whole sister thing). We didn't see Lana returning these feelings actually things at the end of season 3 (stuff with the Talon) (I don't want to debate these things because I've done it many times before and this is just my opinion) showed me Lana really didn't feel the same way as Chloe. At the start of season 4 Lana pulled away from Chloe (as she did everyone else).

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
It's sooooo nice.

And as for Chloe, at least she braces herself and tries to handle whatever's going on with Clark and Lana. I think the fact that she still loves Clark is pretty realistic, but she puts her feelings aside. It was so interesting in Slumber that Clark's dream of Lana was that she didn't question him or push him to explain himself. I always wondered -- if Lana had given Clark just a little more room, would he have finally told her. If she had not gone to see Lex in Reckoning. She does make a lot of bad decisions. :(

Actually, they have. She doesn't have a lot of screen time, but we know a lot about her values. They're pretty deliberate about showing who Lois is. It's actually kind of surprising to me that they're so up front with her.

Agreed.

Yes at least with Chloe she doing that, she's listening to both Clark and Lana whiny to her about there problems with each other, give advice, tries to help the clana relationship (puts her feelings above others).

I think if Lana and Lex (before he turned evil) had not pushed Clark so hard he would have had stronger feelings towards telling both of them.

I agree about Lois but I'm not getting into that. Or at least trying too.:\

Watching Smallville

04-11-2006, 12:22 AM

Agree -- not on a Lana thread.

angelfire east

04-11-2006, 09:53 AM

I'm fighting with myself to stay on topic in this thread, I keep wanting to talk about Lois and Chloe and even Clark but I really don't want to get off topic and know I could go on for pages about either character.

xrayvision

04-11-2006, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
How do we even know this? Are Nell and the Sullivans in the show anymore? I don't see Chloe spending a lot of time with her dad, so am I to assume that she cut him off? Again, what you say above cannot be proven because the writers fail to address those characters at this point in the show.

We know this because Lana had been living with them and then just took off and left to Paris. Nell, who allowed her to stay with the Sullivans would most likely not allow that to happen. She had friends (at least Chloe, Pete, and Lex if Clark was to be ruled out in season 3) and she chose to leave them. She is unfortunately the cause of her misery & lonliness. If she's depressed, she wouldn't be necessarily at fault, but should get some help.

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
It was so interesting in Slumber that Clark's dream of Lana was that she didn't question him or push him to explain himself. I always wondered -- if Lana had given Clark just a little more room, would he have finally told her. If she had not gone to see Lex in Reckoning. If her decisions were different, would she be happier?

The problem is that someone's happiness shouldn't be based on who their friends/boyfriends/girlfriends are. If she's going to be happy, she must create her own happiness and be happy regardless of who she is or isn't going out with. It shouldn't be dependent on relationships since she has no control over that.

Watching Smallville

04-11-2006, 07:52 PM

I didn't mean it quite that way. I meant, if she had a different attitude about her own life and how she approaches people. But to answer your post, happiness is largely based on the people who are in your life, on your relationships, and how you handle them.

myankskent

04-11-2006, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
We know this because Lana had been living with them and then just took off and left to Paris. Nell, who allowed her to stay with the Sullivans would most likely not allow that to happen. She had friends (at least Chloe, Pete, and Lex if Clark was to be ruled out in season 3) and she chose to leave them. She is unfortunately the cause of her misery & lonliness. If she's depressed, she wouldn't be necessarily at fault, but should get some help.

Where you see the fact that Lana was abandoning the sullivan's and Nell, I see it as the writers cutting those characters out of the show because they were not prepared to extend their storylines. So while you say that Lana turned her back on the sullivan's and Nell, you can say that Chloe turned her back on the sullivan's as well because she is not living with her father anymore. It's unfair to judge a relationship that someone has with people on a show if the people they are having a relationship with aren't even in the show.

mobiusklein

04-11-2006, 09:29 PM

Oh, please, Lana MOCKED the Sullivans in Talisman. Lana wanted to SUE for emancipation from Nell. Those are big signs that she's blah on them. Those are actual actions she took and said.

xrayvision

04-11-2006, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Where you see the fact that Lana was abandoning the sullivan's and Nell, I see it as the writers cutting those characters out of the show because they were not prepared to extend their storylines. So while you say that Lana turned her back on the sullivan's and Nell, you can say that Chloe turned her back on the sullivan's as well because she is not living with her father anymore. It's unfair to judge a relationship that someone has with people on a show if the people they are having a relationship with aren't even in the show.

Well, I meant within the timeframe of season 3 when her initiative to leave took place. At that time, Chloe & Gabe were not cut out. And don't forget Chloe was living with her father (though they didn't show him after Gone in S4) until she went to college. Going to college doesn't mean turning your back. I can't really say what the writers intended to do with Gabe, but even if they didn't show him, she could have still been living with Chloe and an "absent" Gabe. She was living with her throughout S3, but IIRC they never showed her room unlike in S2 when they did show it a few times. So based within the timeframe of that season, Lana's actions have me convinced that she wanted to leave even though she had friends. I always found it unrealistic how she lived by herself in the Talon in S4 (not too many highschool students do that). Where did she get the money from? Usually that happens if someone has younger siblings they have to support and they have no family, but she has Nell.

I really hate how the writers made her find problems with Nell (and many other friends/things). She has so many offering to help her and it just seems like she was ungrateful. I blame the writers for this, since I doubt anyone actually in her position would act like that.

I don't mean to bash Lana--in fact I find myself liking her again. I do feel bad for her, but I think she is going through a lot. Still, I just can't justify using that dangerous drug in Void. I liked the conversation she had with Clark, and found her to be very mature to not resort to name calling or other stuff. But they have to find a way to fix up her character.

Watching Smallville

04-11-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
I really hate how the writers made her find problems with Nell (and many other friends/things). She has so many offering to help her and it just seems like she was ungrateful. I blame the writers for this, since I doubt anyone actually in her position would act like that.

I don't mean to bash Lana--in fact I find myself liking her again. I do feel bad for her, but I think she is going through a lot. Still, I just can't justify using that dangerous drug in Void. I liked the conversation she had with Clark, and found her to be very mature to not resort to name calling or other stuff. But they have to find a way to fix up her character.
I agree. I really liked the maturity and the humility. I hope that keep that tone for her more in the future.

I think the early experience with Nell wasn't so much Lana's being ungrateful as it was a sign that she couldn't find her place. Her loneliness kept her from feeling that she fit in or was being taken care of. Looking back from what they did in Void, it was actually very good writing -- a realistic picture of what a teenager might say about a guardian if she felt alone and unable to fit in.

angelfire east

04-11-2006, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by mobiusklein
Oh, please, Lana MOCKED the Sullivans in Talisman. Lana wanted to SUE for emancipation from Nell. Those are big signs that she's blah on them. Those are actual actions she took and said.

Yes those things make me think it's more then just the writers cutting those characters out of the show because they were not prepared to extend their storylines.

Her comment about the Sullivans in Talisman was not only insulting but hypocritical (specially since she was standing int he Talon when she mad ehte comment). And the thing with Nell was not only insulting but very hurtful.

The wirtters took it one step further with those things with Lana adn those things made Lana look more ungreatful then most of the other stuff in my mind.

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I agree. I really liked the maturity and the humility.

I like that too.:) I'm so gald the writters didn't make Lana into one of these people who end a realsionship with someone and start making life diffence for their friends because they are still friends with the newly ex. Lana was very understand and nice about it Chloe still being wfriends with Clark. I've seen friends be less understanding and more "Either you me only my friend or not a friend at all"and things like that. I hate it when people get like that.

xrayvision

04-12-2006, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I didn't mean it quite that way. I meant, if she had a different attitude about her own life and how she approaches people. But to answer your post, happiness is largely based on the people who are in your life, on your relationships, and how you handle them.

Hmm...I think that's correct for some people but not all. Some people need others to make them happy while others are capable of making themselves happy by just doing the right things. In my case, I'm very happy when I play sports, and when I go travelling (I have gone by myself all times except for one when I went with my brother). I do think that there are times when you do need friends. Drinking with buddies is another thing many people do that makes them happy.

The thing with Lana is that if she needs people, why is she pushing them away? She complained in Visage that all her friends leave her, so why does she run away when they don't (as in season 3)?

I just hope she gets some help to fix this problem. I would like to see her as a trustworthy, independent friend to Clark & Martha.

myankskent

04-12-2006, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by xrayvision
Well, I meant within the timeframe of season 3 when her initiative to leave took place. At that time, Chloe & Gabe were not cut out. And don't forget Chloe was living with her father (though they didn't show him after Gone in S4) until she went to college. Going to college doesn't mean turning your back. I can't really say what the writers intended to do with Gabe, but even if they didn't show him, she could have still been living with Chloe and an "absent" Gabe. She was living with her throughout S3, but IIRC they never showed her room unlike in S2 when they did show it a few times. So based within the timeframe of that season, Lana's actions have me convinced that she wanted to leave even though she had friends. I always found it unrealistic how she lived by herself in the Talon in S4 (not too many highschool students do that). Where did she get the money from? Usually that happens if someone has younger siblings they have to support and they have no family, but she has Nell.

I really hate how the writers made her find problems with Nell (and many other friends/things). She has so many offering to help her and it just seems like she was ungrateful. I blame the writers for this, since I doubt anyone actually in her position would act like that.

I don't mean to bash Lana--in fact I find myself liking her again. I do feel bad for her, but I think she is going through a lot. Still, I just can't justify using that dangerous drug in Void. I liked the conversation she had with Clark, and found her to be very mature to not resort to name calling or other stuff. But they have to find a way to fix up her character.

But again, I fault the writing more so than Lana's character or any others for that matter. They needed to have Lana's character live in a place that was actually a part of the show. That's why she moved to the Talon in season 4. If you notice, you never see Chloe's house outside of what we saw in season 2. Now that may be fine for her character, but the writers wanted to show Lana living someplace so she can have scenes in that location. I just don't think that Nell and the Sullivan's ever had a big enough role on this show where we can say that Lana abandoned them. They just fell out of the show and they wanted to show that Lana was more independent in season 4, I think it has nothing to do with the fact that Lana intentionally shut those people out because she didn't want to be near them. Once again, this is a writing problem more than anything else.