Second time Clark has almost been raped

[angelfire east]

Simone tried to make Clark have sex with her, just as Alicia did. It's date rape. Clark didn't have conrtol over his actions or choices. Plus if he wouldn't have sex with the woman he loves he's not going to have it with some girl he just met.

Poor guy twice now he's almost had been raped but nothing is ever said about this. I wonder if it's a woman in Clark's place (being controled and forced into having sex whether they do the deed or not) if anyone would say any thing about this.

[smallvillerocks45]

Finally. Someone says it (ok, writes it)...I could never bring myself to write it, but that is exactly what it almost was. It's wrong. Lucky for Clark, he did not go there, but if he had...eww.

[Shardz]

lucky ****

[MBCorp]

If it had been a guy doing the same thing to Lana we would all be shocked and horrified and saying it was rape. Because it's the other way around there's a big double standard and everybody just laughs about it.

[smallvillerocks45]

In response to Shardz's post:
I guess it depends on who you're asking. Clark was happy he didn't. (after the spell had been broken, of course) I'd say he was lucky...*shrug* what do I know? I didn't like her, so I may be biased.

MBCorp, you are so right. People would've been livid if someone like the guy from Magnetic had made her go that far.

[RedPhoenix23]

Sadly since Clark is a guy we don't think of it as attempted rape even though it still is! I remember when Mxy kinda threatened Chloe with rape in Jinx...that freaked me out. At the end of the day though, its a TV show and on top of that its a fantasy TV show. Its not like Law and Order or anything.

[F-Stop Blues]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Simone tried to make Clark have sex with her, just as Alicia did. It's date rape. Clark didn't have conrtol over his actions or choices. Plus if he wouldn't have sex with the woman he loves he's not going to have it with some girl he just met.

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Agreed. WTH?

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by MBCorp
If it had been a guy doing the same thing to Lana we would all be shocked and horrified and saying it was rape. Because it's the other way around there's a big double standard and everybody just laughs about it.

I conldn't agree more! It's a horrible double standard, what a thing to teach all the little boys and girls of the world, 'it's funny and nothing' when a man is almost raped but horrible when a girl is almost raped.

[smallvillerocks45]

RedPhoenix23,

You've got a point. It is just tv...it's kind of funny how I get so wrapped up in that whole universe...it somehow becomes real for me (sometimes)...:D

geeze...I've got to learn to type faster!

[arachkid]

There's all sorts of messed up stuff that's touched upon in the show. I mean, just thinking off the top of my head, there's been two times in the series where either Clark or Martha have been possessed by someone who desired the other... ew.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by arachkid
There's all sorts of messed up stuff that's touched upon in the show. I mean, just thinking off the top of my head, there's been two times in the series where either Clark or Martha have been possessed by someone who desired the other... ew.

Oh my god, you're right! First in Transference and then in Spirit! :lol: :eek: Wow...this show is weird sometimes.:p

[SmallvilleMan]

Sometimes?:lol:

[OutlawAngel]

And then you have Jonathan and the cows....oh wait lets not go there :lol:

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by smallvillerocks45
RedPhoenix23,

You've got a point. It is just tv...it's kind of funny how I get so wrapped up in that whole universe...it somehow becomes real for me (sometimes)...:D

geeze...I've got to learn to type faster!

Just a T.V show reinforcing the a horrible double standard. At some point something has to change so else this double standard will continue; reinforcing it sure doesn't help.

This is one issue for me "just a t.v" excuse doesn't work for me.

[smallvillerocks45]

You're right too. It is just tv, but this is a very serious subject that is being toyed with at the same time. "Just tv" doesn't justify the act, but I couldn't deny that it was a show either. There shouldn't be a double standard, but there so clearly is one. I'm just glad you brought the subject up. I've wanted to for the longest time, but just never did.

[OutlawAngel]

You might even be able to say that there have been 3 times. Remember that girl from Devoted? Of course I am sure Clark would have stoped the girl if she started going too far if Lois hadnt stopped them for him but still that cheeleader pretty much did the same thing as Simone and Alicia by trying to give him a love potion.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by smallvillerocks45
You're right too. It is just tv, but this is a very serious subject that is being toyed with at the same time. "Just tv" doesn't justify the act, but I couldn't deny that it was a show either. There shouldn't be a double standard, but there so clearly is one. I'm just glad you brought the subject up. I've wanted to for the longest time, but just never did.

Thanks:) I wanted to bring it up after the whole Alicia thing but never got around to it. By this time I just had too since it's was 100% out of his control and not his choice and the second time it's happened.

IMO Smalville shouldn't be toying with the idea at all unless their going to do it right (stop reinforcing the double standard) or at least mentioning it.


Originally posted by OutlawAngel
You might even be able to say that there have been 3 times. Remember that girl from Devoted? Of course I am sure Clark would have stoped the girl if she started going too far if Lois hadnt stopped them for him but still that cheeleader pretty much did the same thing as Simone and Alicia by trying to give him a love potion.

Ture! Only Clark was in control of his actions but the girl didn't know that and was going to rape him. As I'm sure other girls did to the men (or women) they were conrtoling, if and when they had sex with them.

I can just imagen the reaction if it had been Lana (or another girl) and a man who was controling her walked up to Lana and pulled up her shirt and said "this will do" then took her into a back room to have sex with her.

[EllenF]

"Just a T.V show reinforcing the a horrible double standard..."

Disclaimer: I haven't seen Hypnotic yet. But to be fair to the writers, when Alicia almost raped Clark, he was horrified and shocked when she finally removed the necklace, and angrily accused her of drugging him. So the writers did confront the issue to a certain degree.

But the problem is that they keep getting Clark into these situations and treating them as "sexy" (the whole long foreplay scene between Clark and Alicia, for example). Once you've treated attempted rape as sexy, the characters' reactions afterward don't mean much. I have to agree that I don't think they'd get Lana or Chloe into a similar situation and spend ten minutes showing us various parts of their anatomy. So yes, there's definitely a double standard here.

[FotW]

This is a good point, Becki. Clark has encountered one too many sexual predators. But I think it brings up another point and that is the bizarre way women and female sexuality is treated in Smallville. Women are either the classic femme fatale archetype or (Desiree, Simone), possessions to be attained or rewarded with ( Princess Lana. See "Lexmas" and almost every episode), 1950s idealized mother figures (Martha "muffin" and "pies" Kent), or asexual ( perpetually single Chloe). And when a female character such as Chloe or Lana is possessed or "evil" (see "Nicodemus"), how do they display their "sickness"? By dressing and acting overtly sexual. As though that in itself is wrong?


Originally posted by angelfire east
I can just imagen the reaction if it had been Lana (or another girl) and a man who was controling her walked up to Lana and pulled up her shirt and said "this will do" then took her into a back room to have sex with her.
Wasn't Lana made into a "love slave" in "Magnetic"?

[EllenF]

Well put, FotW. Jonathan got very interested in sex in "Nicodemus," but all he did was chase Martha around the kitchen. He didn't strut around in a Speedo (and that's a real pity, as far as I'm concerned:D ).

And Lana was sort of a "love slave" in Magnetic, but there was no suggestion the guy tried to rape her. He did try to unzip her sweater, she reacted with shock, and he immediately stopped. It didn't go nearly as far as these women keep going with Clark... just a few kisses.

[Watching Smallville]

And then you had Desiree -- who actually got Lex to marry her. Interesting view of seduction on this show. :rolleyes:

[jimmyolsenblues]

Its not just a double standard on fiction.

How many times have we read in the news where a female teacher has slept with a male student and everyone says, "Isn't that great?" .

This double standard exists in society for a long time. Its sad. It only reinforces dysfunctional behavoir.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
Its not just a double standard on fiction.

How many times have we read in the news where a female teacher has slept with a male student and everyone says, "Isn't that great?" .

This double standard exists in society for a long time. Its sad. It only reinforces dysfunctional behavoir.

I conldn't agree more; and this dysfunctional behavoir/double standard will never stop intill people (t.v shows) stop reinforceing it and start dealing with the issue if they are going to deal with the issue

Just think how damaging this is to teach to our child; the circle just continues. :( :mad:


Originally posted by FotW
This is a good point, Becki. Clark has encountered one too many sexual predators. But I think it brings up another point and that is the bizarre way women and female sexuality is treated in Smallville. Women are either the classic femme fatale archetype or (Desiree, Simone), possessions to be attained or rewarded with ( Princess Lana. See "Lexmas" and almost every episode), 1950s idealized mother figures (Martha "muffin" and "pies" Kent), or asexual ( perpetually single Chloe). And when a female character such as Chloe or Lana is possessed or "evil" (see "Nicodemus"), how do they display their "sickness"? By dressing and acting overtly sexual. As though that in itself is wrong?

Very ture. SV has never been a great show for writing women IMO. Over 5 years only Chloe and Lois have come closest to having a strong female realationship (something the actesses have noted and wanted to see on the show between their characters). In articles and such they refer to Lana as strong and independent but they have her continuly leaning on guys and gross this fact over.

[Kryptonian Snake]

It never really occurred to me that Clark was about to be raped, just like it didn't occur to me in "Unsafe" or "Magnetic". Then again, I think the assumption is supposed to be that the heroes do "good" things while the villains do "bad" things, so there's no real need to deal with each specific deed. Chloe, for example, routinely hacks into databases/servers, trespasses, and breaks into buildings for stories, yet I'm pretty sure none of these things would be acceptable simply for the pursuit of journalism. We're supposed to overlook it, though, becuase she's a heroic "truth-seeker". Clark and A.C. essentially commit an act of terrorism by sabotaging an experimental military weapon when they could have simply exposed the dangers of the device to the world. They were supposed to be viewed as the heroes, though. Also, Clark never gets in trouble for using excessive force (i.e., "Run") and we don't always see the extent of his opponents injuries. There are times when he could have killed or paralyzed someone when we saw in this episode that he can knock someone out with his index finger.

[bluegayle]

I write a few fan fics and I can see how sometimes, you have to go with a make-believe world and make-believe rules to keep the story going.

So if Clark on Red-K goes on a rampage, he has to eat somehow. He does this by stealing money. And after he returns to normal, he gives most of the money back, and is forgiven by law.

These are the kind of things we also would have to write into our stories, so I can see how some of these episodes just have to have ridiculous situations or resolutions.