Clark is a moronic wimp!

[voytek]

Clark has stated he's loved her since he was seven. Mrs. Kent has always understood Clark's love for Lana. She has even encouraged it. Mr. Kent was mad when Clark said he told Lana the secret, but Mrs. Kent wasn't. Why? She knew it was a burden off Clark and Lana is the one person he has wanted to tell the most. Then today Martha has an epiphany and realizes Lana isn't the one. To have him end it all by saying "I don't love you." You don't just turn love on/off like a switch. I know the Lana and Clana haters are rejoicing but this is way too sloppy. Clark is supposed to be a superior being and that includes his intelligence. He's an idiot. There were 1000 ways he could have handled this and he chose the most painful. To look her in the eye and make their final moment together yet another lie. I wish she had slapped him. I know he wouldn't have felt it, but he just dishonored their entire relationship. Lana has been trying and she's been patient. I don't see how things will be any different if he gets with Lois or Chloe. Lex has to suspect that Chloe knows.


The writing of the show since Reckoning is very insulting. It's as if they think we won't remember the past four seasons. You can't maintain that Lana is the love of Clark's life all this time and then suddenly swich it up and say she's not the one. Clark is ignorant and weak. This episode was nothing more than a bunch of plot points to break up Clana and set up Lexana. For the first time in over 100 episodes--I did not recognize Clark and he is now my least favorite character on the show. If this is the adult Clark before he turns into superman, I'll take teen Clark any day

[UpandAtom]

Clark is realizing that maybe he'll never be able to tell Lana his secret and he can't continue a relationship like that indefinetely.

[puddinpiester]

Maybe he figures the most painful way to break it off with Lana will be the most permanent way. He may want the most permanent way because he fears he will give in to his love for her again and try to insinuate himself into her life...again. Maybe he does not want to give himself that choice again. 'Cause right now he is convinced that the bread-up is the best thing.

Or, like so many have said. Clark is an idiot.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

All I'm saying is he is nothing but a BDA, that just wants to lust over Lana. He may have given her up in this episode, but knowing AlMiles they won't be dropping the ball too much. He'll be lusting after her again in the next episode.

[Summers]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
Clark is realizing that maybe he'll never be able to tell Lana his secret and he can't continue a relationship like that indefinetely.

Actually he can tell her the secret, but he chooses not to. "Reckoning" showed him not telling the secret to her she was still in the same predictment of being killed. His secret really had nothing to do with it. As long as Lana lives SV or Metropolis she will be in danger :lol:. The secret won't stop that. It was blant rip-off of Spiderman 2 lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by Summers
Actually he can tell her the secret, but he chooses not to. "Reckoning" showed him not telling the secret to her she was still in the same predictment of being killed. His secret really had nothing to do with it. As long as Lana lives SV or Metropolis she will be in danger :lol:. The secret won't stop that. It was blant rip-off of Spiderman 2 lol.

Yes, indeed. Spuper-ville!

[enamored]

Clark admitted that he has been trying to break things off with her for a while but did not have the courage.

Lana has clearly shown that contrary to telling Lex in Reckoning that they had had their last fight she was not ready to give up on Clark. Reckoning also showed that the minute Clark and Lana's relationship moves beyond boyfriend and girlfriend to something really serious Lex will know that Clark has shared his secret with Lana. At that point Lana is in danger because Lex will not let it go. Clark knows this and that is part of why he has been holding back on their relationship. He has been hinting that the relationship was not working for several of the past few episodes but Lana would just not let go. That is why Clark had to let her down in the hardest way--more subtle means had not been working. Let's face it. Men are total wimps when it comes to confrontation of that kind with women. It took guts for Clark to do what he finally did--especially since he still loves/lusts after her.

As for Lois and Chloe, Lex is not really the same kind of threat to them because they haven't repeatedly confided in him, like Lana has, that they don't know if they can ever have a true relationship with Clark unless he's honest with them.

[i love u tom]

he didnt have to say I DONT LOVE YOU rite like that. he could have juss said i dont want to hurt u anymore, so we're breaking up. but i'm terrified of the up and coming lexana

[SteveS]

Lana asked or demanded that Clark look her in the eye and tell her that he didn't love her, he did as she requested, then got down on bended knee to say more at which him, Lana's tempermental self was unwilling to listen.

An ancient song says that breaking up is hard to do, it is still true, at whatever age, there usually is one partner that wants out and the other does not (it is rare to part ways as mutually agreeable and as pals), in that case, the one who does not want to break always gets hurt. You really can not make it realistically any easier, rejection hurts.

[cmm]

Originally posted by i love u tom
he didnt have to say I DONT LOVE YOU rite like that. he could have juss said i dont want to hurt u anymore, so we're breaking up. but i'm terrified of the up and coming lexana


But she told him to LOL

[puddinpiester]

SteveS. Define ancient.

Clark did the best he could. He always does the best he can. Maybe it stunk, but I think that was all he had in him to give.

[clois1938]

For me, if the writers follow through with the break-up, then this will be the best break-up. Clean and hard. But if the writers don't follow through, then forget it. Sadly, it's probably going to be the latter, considering the writer's track record. Why can't they let the clana die. :\

[supermanprime]

i think the ending of the relationship was ok, dont forget its louis and clark not lana and clark, I wish the writers do a future episode when clark is establish as supes and lana is the fashion/model of the world like in the animated series and see how they interact would be very interesting.

i hope chloe and clark doesnot get together it would be awkward for me to watch she is really annoying they should focus more of clark being lost without JK and how he finally realizes that Jor-el is not that bad and could help him to become the man he can be bu they will focus on leaxanna and how clark will be hurt by that on the other hand maybe that will push more o jor-el.

[voytek]

Originally posted by SteveS
Lana asked or demanded that Clark look her in the eye and tell her that he didn't love her, he did as she requested, then got down on bended knee to say more at which him, Lana's tempermental self was unwilling to listen.

An ancient song says that breaking up is hard to do, it is still true, at whatever age, there usually is one partner that wants out and the other does not (it is rare to part ways as mutually agreeable and as pals), in that case, the one who does not want to break always gets hurt. You really can not make it realistically any easier, rejection hurts.

Does anyone really think she believed him? Come on now. I bet you anything she can tell when he's lying by now. She was pissed because he was STILL lying. She was basically fed up. She was a wonderful g/f to him and he doesn't deserve her. But more importantly, she didn't deserve to have him crush her in such a cruel way. Clark is weak and I am now indifferent to him.

[puddinpiester]

Nope. She was talking about how you never know when Clark is telling the truth or is lying when she got to Lex's house. The first thing she says is Clark is a liar and the last thing Clark said to her was "I don't love you."

[ChloeFan10]

Hey guys,

I can understand that some of the Smallville episodes revolving around Clark & Lana provided some "cheezy-ness". But, I really don't think that Clark was a wimp for what he did to Lana.

If Clark would have "told the truth" and said: I don't want to hurt you anymore so we are breaking up. Then, the whole thing would have lingered. And, though I have my suspicions that it will be lingering for a while... I think that Clark pushing Lana over the edge like that was the only way to confirm the complete END of this relationship.

And, as much as Clark loved Lana... and as much as Lana was holding on. What the h*** was she doing always going back to Lex as a confidante knowing how Clark felt about him. In any normal relationship (yes, I know, Smallville isn't normal), you don't get away by going to your bf/gf's nemesis as your "best friend"!

That's just my 2 cents...
ChloeFan10

[Pal-El]

It would have taken a lot of guts to say that to her. Knowing full well he loves her, and she loves him, to break it off for her own protection seems like the right thing to do to me, rather than keep lying.

I would rather leave my partner than have her lie to me all the time and speaking from experience, it really isnt pleasant.

[BrodaMunschki]

they'll be talking again next episode, so the dramatic ending of last episode wont linger on for too long. she will still need to be saved every once in a while by clark, so their involvement with each other is far from over. it has just taken on a new shape, which i am happy to say, i am ready for.

so i wouldnt worry too much.

[puddinpiester]

I don't think I could've been as unselfish as Clark was in breaking things off with the person he loves more than life itself and doing it in such a way that it could well be a permanent end to the relationship he desperately wants.

Their relationship has been full of ups and downs; ins and outs; and pains and issues; not really enough happy times IMO. Every relationship has bumps and bruises and yes angst, too. But, this relationship had major obstacles to overcome. On both sides of the relationship. Makes me think Clark did the honorable and most difficult thing to enable Lana to have the life he wants for her.

[Billy Jor-El]

Whether she believed him or not isn't really important. The BDA was mean and extremely hurtful to Lana,who despite all the lies and everything that's led to this point has professed her love for Farm Boy.

I posted elsehwere, but I can't get over thinking about Chris saying to Margot "Lois, I never lie."

So far, SV's Clark is no Superman.

[puddinpiester]

If Clark had "let her down easy" and given her any hope at reconciliation, which she would have had if Clark had not been determined to end the relationship permanently, then Lana would not start to get on with her life as Clark wants her to be able to do. In the long run, the BDA may have been kinder than we give him credit for, at the moment. No doubt about it, Clark hurt Lana badly. Her sting was palpable. But, he is hurting just as badly.

Superman doesn't lie. Clark does at this point. Think about it. He's been taught to lie by his parents as long as he has been on this earth. They started the "must keep the secret" strategy. Clark loved, respected, and obeyed his parents. Now he has to get over his lying. He doesn't like it, but believes it is necessary. He will find a way "not to have to hide who I {he} is". That's when he officially separates his two identities. True, Clark is no Superman. Not supposed to be.

[afro_maestro]

i completely agree wit that, puddinpiester......he will slowly tear away from his parents' keep the secret strategy and fulfill the Superman mythos.

But for the record, that was the coldest and most hash breakup i've ever seen. And ive seen some nasty ones. To just turn around, and spit it out - i'm sorry, but i flinched. I flinched hard.....then blinked a couple of times.

[voytek]

Originally posted by afro_maestro
i completely agree wit that, puddinpiester......he will slowly tear away from his parents' keep the secret strategy and fulfill the Superman mythos.

But for the record, that was the coldest and most hash breakup i've ever seen. And ive seen some nasty ones. To just turn around, and spit it out - i'm sorry, but i flinched. I flinched hard.....then blinked a couple of times.

I so agree. Before this the worst break-up was Liz Parker/Max Evans from Roswell. Max was pursuing Liz like crazy and he wanted to reconcile with her. Liz arranged for him to catch her in bed with her ex and Max was crushed. Now Liz did it because she was told Max choosing her would ultimately end life on earth, but I still hated how she did it. A line he yelled at her the next episode certainly fits Clark/Lana.

MAX: You're hiding something.

LIZ: No. I'm not.

MAX: I know you. There is no way you would sleep with Kyle. I don't think you would do that to me.

LIZ: Just let it go Max.

MAX: (shouting) I'm not gonna let it go, because that would mean everything I felt in my heart the last two years was a lie.

I'm sure Lana feels that way. I get that Clark wants to protect her and he didn't want to keep lying, but picking the most painful way, also causes the most pain. I don't think it's love to hurt someone on purpose just to protect them. Now, every single time she sees him she will be reminded of his words. If I were Lana, I would never speak to him again. Not even a hello. A person who plays with my emotions like that is not worth my time or breath!


Was there ever a better teen couple than Max and Liz?

[Coyote]

If Clark wasn't a selfish paranoid loser he wouldn't even have a "secret". If he was a real man he would stop living a lie, accept what he is, and come out in the open and let the world know.

[Violas]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
Clark is realizing that maybe he'll never be able to tell Lana his secret and he can't continue a relationship like that indefinetely.

That's not a reason!, Chloe knows the secret and she is still alive:rotfl:

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Coyote
If Clark wasn't a selfish paranoid loser he wouldn't even have a "secret". If he was a real man he would stop living a lie, accept what he is, and come out in the open and let the world know.

If he did that, he would end up as an experimental animal in a lab. There's no way Lex, or multitudes of others would let him get away (there's so much kryptonite that it would be hard to avoid it all). He would never have another day of peace. Superman is the solution to all this, and if TPTB are smart, they should start showing Clark evolving and really covering his tracks well so he doesn't have to lie and is not even suspected of being special.

That's why I think he needs to get into the ship (disguised) and stage it such that Lex is around as it opens and he speeds off. That would send a signal that there was 1 alien remaining all along in the ship and that he got away--Lex would later associate this mysterious alien as Superman and not Clark, thus breaking the suspicions he has of Clark.

[Watching Smallville]

Doesn't Clark Kent continue to lie when he assumes the role of Superman? He has to, to keep his identity secret. So I don't see the "integrity" problem with Clark's lying. That's part of his life. Unless I don't understand that part of the Superman story.

[Violas]

Nice reply, you showed him alright :)
But if he start's to disguise, then i hope that he wont be wearing red and blue tights so soon, maybe he can do like spiderman did in the first movie.
Meaning he could disguise in something simple but it has to be a "S" symbol in the picture, then in the future he could modify the costume when he is in metropolis


Originally posted by xrayvision
If he did that, he would end up as an experimental animal in a lab. There's no way Lex, or multitudes of others would let him get away (there's so much kryptonite that it would be hard to avoid it all). He would never have another day of peace. Superman is the solution to all this, and if TPTB are smart, they should start showing Clark evolving and really covering his tracks well so he doesn't have to lie and is not even suspected of being special.

That's why I think he needs to get into the ship (disguised) and stage it such that Lex is around as it opens and he speeds off. That would send a signal that there was 1 alien remaining all along in the ship and that he got away--Lex would later associate this mysterious alien as Superman and not Clark, thus breaking the suspicions he has of Clark.

sorry for this second post, i forgot to quote you

Nice reply, you showed him alright
But if he start's to disguise, then i hope that he wont be wearing red and blue tights so soon, maybe he can do like spiderman did in the first movie.
Meaning he could disguise in something simple but it has to be a "S" symbol in the picture, then in the future he could modify the costume when he is in metropolis
:eek: :eek: :eek: :D :eek:

[BadToad]

Doesn't Clark Kent continue to lie when he assumes the role of Superman?

Yeah, thats pretty much how I view it as well. Everytime he goes to the Daily Planet and dons the mantle of a bumbling, unassuming young reporter, its basically a lie. A necessary lie, and one I believe doesn't put his integrity into question. But still a lie. In fact, don't most superheroes with secret identities lie? But it doesn't make them any less heroic for their good deeds.

Clark is definitely not a smooth liar (would we want him to be?), but I've always viewed his lying now as a necessary evil for his own survival. And a healthy smattering of paranoia seems justified. And thats not all the different from how I always viewed Superman/adult Clark Kent as well.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Violas
But if he start's to disguise, then i hope that he wont be wearing red and blue tights so soon, maybe he can do like spiderman did in the first movie.
Meaning he could disguise in something simple but it has to be a "S" symbol in the picture, then in the future he could modify the costume when he is in metropolis
:eek: :eek: :eek: :D :eek:

After re-watching the episode, I must say that it would be a great idea after what Fine told Lex about an alien race living in the ship and being dangerous. It follows perfectly with my suggestion and will give Lex the distrust for Superman that he is known to have in his later years (comics). What Fine told him is the set-up to all of that, and they better not screw this up. This is perhaps their 1 and only chance to have a good seperation between Clark and the future Superman so that Lex doesn't know that they're one and the same. Aside from that, the only other thing that would be able to do that is if Clark fakes a disability (like staying in a wheelchair), which is a very low thing that only a scumbag would do.

[Fish1941]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
Clark is realizing that maybe he'll never be able to tell Lana his secret and he can't continue a relationship like that indefinetely.


Why on earth would he think that? Lana had taken the news of his secret pretty well, before he had changed time. Now that Clark knows how she would react, what reason does he have not to tell her? Because he can't date her or have sex with her? That's a good reason? I do not understand his thinking. Very immature.:confused:



If Clark would have "told the truth" and said: I don't want to hurt you anymore so we are breaking up. Then, the whole thing would have lingered. And, though I have my suspicions that it will be lingering for a while... I think that Clark pushing Lana over the edge like that was the only way to confirm the complete END of this relationship.

This does not seem much of an excuse. I'm sorry, but it doesn't.


If he did that, he would end up as an experimental animal in a lab. There's no way Lex, or multitudes of others would let him get away (there's so much kryptonite that it would be hard to avoid it all).

What makes you assume that Lana would tell Lex. If she thought that Lex could pose a danger to Clark, I'm quite certain that she would remain silent about the whole thing. Why do you think otherwise?

[son2380]

Smalleville is becoming more and more Ultimate Spider-man everyday. Does anyone besides me read Ultimate Spider-man? The last time I read it Peter Parker Just broke up with Mary Jane because he felt that his powers and abilities were putting her in danger. Everyone that comes close to Peter dies or lives are messed up by learing his secret. So he broke up with MJ because he doesn't want to see her die or get hurt, he felt that he couldn't protect her any longer.

Anyone else thin that Smallville is copying Spider man too much?


I don't understand why everyone is upset about this episode. It sucked but the writer are just doing what everyone wants them to do. They killed JK just like everyone wanted, they broke up Lana and Clark like everone wanted. Chloe is still doing all of the investigation while clark sits back like a moron getting dumber and dumber. This is why I hate when writers allow the fans to dictate the story. Instead of writing good stories they come online and read all of our comments and try to put everything that we want to see in their stories. They should just ignore what we say and just write the story the way it should be done. It should be about Clark and Lex becoming their future selves not fighting over lana. At least Lex is on his way to being a true villain. Clark is still in limbo trying to find himself.

[cmm]

Originally posted by son2380
Smalleville is becoming more and more Ultimate Spider-man everyday. Does anyone besides me read Ultimate Spider-man? The last time I read it Peter Parker Just broke up with Mary Jane because he felt that his powers and abilities were putting her in danger. Everyone that comes close to Peter dies or lives are messed up by learing his secret. So he broke up with MJ because he doesn't want to see her die or get hurt, he felt that he couldn't protect her any longer.

Anyone else thin that Smallville is copying Spider man too much?


I don't understand why everyone is upset about this episode. It sucked but the writer are just doing what everyone wants them to do. They killed JK just like everyone wanted, they broke up Lana and Clark like everone wanted. Chloe is still doing all of the investigation while clark sits back like a moron getting dumber and dumber. This is why I hate when writers allow the fans to dictate the story. Instead of writing good stories they come online and read all of our comments and try to put everything that we want to see in their stories. They should just ignore what we say and just write the story the way it should be done. It should be about Clark and Lex becoming their future selves not fighting over lana. At least Lex is on his way to being a true villain. Clark is still in limbo trying to find himself.


I have to agree with you.

[puddinpiester]

I like the idea of Clark hiding in the ship and superspeeding away so that Lex knows there was an alien in the ship and now on earth, but doesn't know it's Clark. Would solve many problems.

Superman doesn't lie. People may assume certain things, but he doesn't necessarily "tell lies". He just lets them make up explanations and doesn't bother to correct them or volunteer any info. I know. I know. This would be tantamount to lying. But it sure is cuter.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Fish1941
Why on earth would he think that? Lana had taken the news of his secret pretty well, before he had changed time. Now that Clark knows how she would react, what reason does he have not to tell her? Because he can't date her or have sex with her? That's a good reason? I do not understand his thinking. Very immature.:confused:

Not immature. The reason is that he noticed both times in Reckoning Lana ran to Lex, who is his biggest enemy (Sigeeth according to the cave legend). Whenever a character has gotten too involved or close to Lex or Lionel (or Lex and Lionel have gotten close to them), they & Clark's secret have been in great danger. This is what happened to Pete and what started happening with Chloe at the end of S4 & start of S5, but she fought it off.

Just take a look what she did right after breaking up with Clark. She ran straight to his worst enemy. At this point, she can't be trusted with it. Not until someone (hopefully Clark) exposes something big Lex has planned and makes it public. That would send Lex out of Smallville and away from Lana.


Originally posted by son2380
I don't understand why everyone is upset about this episode. It sucked but the writer are just doing what everyone wants them to do. They killed JK just like everyone wanted, they broke up Lana and Clark like everone wanted. Chloe is still doing all of the investigation while clark sits back like a moron getting dumber and dumber. This is why I hate when writers allow the fans to dictate the story. Instead of writing good stories they come online and read all of our comments and try to put everything that we want to see in their stories. They should just ignore what we say and just write the story the way it should be done. It should be about Clark and Lex becoming their future selves not fighting over lana. At least Lex is on his way to being a true villain. Clark is still in limbo trying to find himself.

I don't think the episode sucked. It was entertaining to me, but there was a lot of bad writing, like that Lana inconsistency, and the acting (didn't seem like they cared too much once they broke up and after Simone was killed). I think they're saving Clark finding out that Lex was behind that whole thing for another episode.

I also don't think TPTB are doing what the fans want, but what they have planned. I agree with you that not much is being done to further Clark. He's mostly involved with Lana or the side story. In this episode I would call the side story the Simone story and the main one the Milton Fine with the viruses since this is the long term one. They can't have Clark be involved with the main story now, otherwise it would end without having a climax for the season finale. But I did like how he was in Cyborg. I am really hoping now that he doesn't have the Lana anchor on his back, he can finally take big steps into becoming Superman. I hope they don't screw it up by having him be childish and jealous. If they do, then JK's death meant nothing.

TPTB waited too long to break up Clana. And it was something that had to end, since this is the destiny of the characters. I think it should have ended in S4, the latest. The reason why the breakup felt redundant, was because it was done too many times (heck, twice in 1 episode this time). I know they don't use our ideas since many of us have many good ones that actually tie up loose ends.

It would have been wise not to have introduced Lois in this show since now it only complicates things. I don't know of any viewers wanted JK to be axed. Most were pissed when he was (myself included). TPTB have to do better editing and reviewing of the episodes before they are aired. There are too many inconsistencies and plot holes.

Look at the positives of the episode:

-Fine is back and is progressing well with his arc
-Clana is over (which ended that long cycle of torture for us fans)
-Good Clark-Lex interaction
-Lex showing how he is getting darker
-Chloe shining again as Clark's best friend
-A decent story with some suspense with Simone

[cmm]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Not immature. The reason is that he noticed both times in Reckoning Lana ran to Lex, who is his biggest enemy (Sigeeth according to the cave legend). Whenever a character has gotten too involved or close to Lex or Lionel (or Lex and Lionel have gotten close to them), they & Clark's secret have been in great danger. This is what happened to Pete and what started happening with Chloe at the end of S4 & start of S5, but she fought it off.

Just take a look what she did right after breaking up with Clark. She ran straight to his worst enemy. At this point, she can't be trusted with it. Not until someone (hopefully Clark) exposes something big Lex has planned and makes it public. That would send Lex out of Smallville and away from Lana.



I don't think the episode sucked. It was entertaining to me, but there was a lot of bad writing, like that Lana inconsistency, and the acting (didn't seem like they cared too much once they broke up and after Simone was killed). I think they're saving Clark finding out that Lex was behind that whole thing for another episode.

I also don't think TPTB are doing what the fans want, but what they have planned. I agree with you that not much is being done to further Clark. He's mostly involved with Lana or the side story. In this episode I would call the side story the Simone story and the main one the Milton Fine with the viruses since this is the long term one. They can't have Clark be involved with the main story now, otherwise it would end without having a climax for the season finale. But I did like how he was in Cyborg. I am really hoping now that he doesn't have the Lana anchor on his back, he can finally take big steps into becoming Superman. I hope they don't screw it up by having him be childish and jealous. If they do, then JK's death meant nothing.

TPTB waited too long to break up Clana. And it was something that had to end, since this is the destiny of the characters. I think it should have ended in S4, the latest. The reason why the breakup felt redundant, was because it was done too many times (heck, twice in 1 episode this time). I know they don't use our ideas since many of us have many good ones that actually tie up loose ends.

It would have been wise not to have introduced Lois in this show since now it only complicates things. I don't know of any viewers wanted JK to be axed. Most were pissed when he was (myself included). TPTB have to do better editing and reviewing of the episodes before they are aired. There are too many inconsistencies and plot holes.

Look at the positives of the episode:

-Fine is back and is progressing well with his arc
-Clana is over (which ended that long cycle of torture for us fans)
-Good Clark-Lex interaction
-Lex showing how he is getting darker
-Chloe shining again as Clark's best friend
-A decent story with some suspense with Simone


I agree with everything you've said here. Furthermore, I'd like to think that the upcoming lexana scenes have a reason and that is to final take off the rose covered glasses that lana wears when viewing lex. Saying that she may not find out the secret this season but maybe sometime in season 6 and cause her eyes have been opened to lex and his evil nature she'll be able to confront clark and tell him she knows and thus is able to keep the secret. However, I do not believe they would reunite as b/f g/f but be best friends.

[xrayvision]

Yeah, that would be nice. Something tells me that Chloe may be offed by Fine's virus. I can't see both Lana & Chloe knowing the secret. If they do that, S6 may be the one where they start to set up Clois, which I still think is too early.

I think a good time to end Lexana is episode 8 of S6 (the episode usually right before the 1 month break in the winter). I wonder if Lex will employ her in Luthorcorp as an intern to poison her mind.

:D Perhaps we will see her on a metal table:D

[cmm]

You bring up a good point about fine's virus. Instead of just chloe though how about he whole town of smallville. YOu know as an ultimatum either you free zod or...... Or maybe it's meant for clark to take him out of the equation so there's no oposition to zod if and when fine figures out a way to release him.

[Theshadow129x]

im sick of people being upset about the lana and clark break up look lana isnt meant to bw with him and also forget her she was always asking for them to break up everytime she went to lex about her problems knowing full well clark wasnt friends with him and that clark was jealous of the fact that they still talked. i mean splinter comes to mind right? clark was paranoid for a reason and that was because he knew lex had feelings for lana and lana knew clark was insecure about that aspect and she continued to talk to lex and hang out with him or whatever. lana was asking for it and she doesnt deserve ti and then also she didnt have to go to lex's after the senatorial election but she did and look what it caused her intoa car accident and whatever doesnt matter lana doesnt deserve clark anyways

[enamored]

Originally posted by Violas
That's not a reason!, Chloe knows the secret and she is still alive:rotfl:

Chloe isn't in a romantic relaionship with Clark and hasn't repeatedly told Lex how much Clark's lying bothers her. Lana, on the other hand, has repeatedly told Lex that her relationship with Clark may never go further than it has without him telling her the truth. In "Reckoning" Lex saw the engagement ring and immediately realized that Lana would never have accepted it unless Clark came clean with her.

Knowing Clark's secret is not what makes things dangerous. It is Lex realizing that someone knows the secret (in this case Lana) that makes it dangerous. If Clark and Lana were only friends then he could share his secret because it would not be obvious to Lex that she knew.

[auxvis]

Why would he tell her? Even if Lex left I still wouldn't tell her... I mean I understand she eventually finds out but her track record with trusting him isn't exactly the best...Besides, you guys forget that Lana actually keeps things from him too...I.E. Genevieve, the spaceship research...and Clark isn't as stupid as everyone thinks...he knows she has her secrets...He just doesn't call her out on them every episode....

But back to the point at hand...Why tell her? Everytime he does something that makes her mad she runs right to someone else and alienates (sorry for the pun) him...Whether that be Lex (who is the worst person) or Adam or Jason....So, I can see why he wouldn't tell her

[cmm]

Originally posted by auxvis
Why would he tell her? Even if Lex left I still wouldn't tell her... I mean I understand she eventually finds out but her track record with trusting him isn't exactly the best...Besides, you guys forget that Lana actually keeps things from him too...I.E. Genevieve, the spaceship research...and Clark isn't as stupid as everyone thinks...he knows she has her secrets...He just doesn't call her out on them every episode....

But back to the point at hand...Why tell her? Everytime he does something that makes her mad she runs right to someone else and alienates (sorry for the pun) him...Whether that be Lex (who is the worst person) or Adam or Jason....So, I can see why he wouldn't tell her

ITA with you but everytime i say something similar to this I get clark is a wimp a moron a weakling. Bottom line it's his secret to tell if he dont' want to tell her it's his choice. Doesn't make him weak or moronic.

[auxvis]

Originally posted by cmm
ITA with you but everytime i say something similar to this I get clark is a wimp a moron a weakling. Bottom line it's his secret to tell if he dont' want to tell her it's his choice. Doesn't make him weak or moronic.

Well, not only that but Lana hasn't exactly shown that she deserves to know...I mean people that say Clark is a moron or a weakling don't understand his plight here...

First, of all this is different than not telling Lana he had feelings for her so long ago...That was silly of him...

But this - This is something more than that...First, consider all of the pressure he gets from his parents not to say anything. He doesn't want to disappoint them and that is part of the reason he keeps it hidden.

Also, he doesn't want people to look at him different. Think how you'd feel if you had this mind boggling secret that could possibly bring a lot of judgment and unwanted attention your way...you'd be selective about who you told as well.

There is the trust issue which I put a few posts back, as well.

The bottom line is going around just telling people would be the "stupid" thing to do. Clark's life would be a lot easier if he just told Lana but he has all of these reasons not to and is going to sacrifice what he wants (or I should say wanted) with her because of it. I can't say I would have made the same decision in the beginning but considering Lana's track record with running to other people and her not being forthcoming with him, I can't say I wouldn't make this decision at this stage.

[voytek]

Originally posted by auxvis
Well, not only that but Lana hasn't exactly shown that she deserves to know...I mean people that say Clark is a moron or a weakling don't understand his plight here...

First, of all this is different than not telling Lana he had feelings for her so long ago...That was silly of him...

But this - This is something more than that...First, consider all of the pressure he gets from his parents not to say anything. He doesn't want to disappoint them and that is part of the reason he keeps it hidden.

Also, he doesn't want people to look at him different. Think how you'd feel if you had this mind boggling secret that could possibly bring a lot of judgment and unwanted attention your way...you'd be selective about who you told as well.

There is the trust issue which I put a few posts back, as well.

The bottom line is going around just telling people would be the "stupid" thing to do. Clark's life would be a lot easier if he just told Lana but he has all of these reasons not to and is going to sacrifice what he wants (or I should say wanted) with her because of it. I can't say I would have made the same decision in the beginning but considering Lana's track record with running to other people and her not being forthcoming with him, I can't say I wouldn't make this decision at this stage.

She "deserves" to know because you don't lie to those you love. I don't get why everyone is forgetting all five seasons. Clark has told his parents and Chloe umpteen times that it's killing him NOT to tell Lana. He even told his parents in Reckoning how it felt to finally confess the secret to her. Did he not say she is the ONE person he has always wanted to tell? He's hiding this gigantic secret and he can't be himself. And I must say Lana took the news extremely well. Did she freak out? Nope. Was she angry? Nope. She told him that he was just like everyone else i.e. normal. It didn't change her feelings at all for him.

Now as for why she keeps running to Lex? Plot point. Pure and simple. Common sense would dictate she's run to Chloe. That is her best friend and they consider themselves sisters. The writers are using the Lex/Lana talks to set up Lexana. I personally think it would have been much more interesting to have her confiding in Chloe and watch Chloe struggle with how to handle it. And I don't think Clark and Lex are enemies yet. They just aren't friends anymore. And it's not Clark's place to tell Lana who she can and cannot be friends with. It's her choice. Lex and Lana are friends and it's not unusual for her to visit him. Clark is afraid that Lana will be hurt or maybe even killed if he confides his secret. Lana saw a drunken Lex the night of the election and that won't happen now. That night has come and gone. All Clark has to do is change things up. Why propose so early or at all. They are 18 for crying out loud. I think his fear of having sex with her is the biggest crock. Hasn't he heard of making love? And like Chloe told him. It's something he can learn to control. Just like he can shake hands without crushing them. All he has to do is tell her the truth and the events that happened surrounding the night she died. She can distance herself from Lex or limit her contact. It was Jor-El needing someone to balance out when he saved Clark. Well, JK is now dead. Lana died because she was the person to balance things out. Her life isn't marked for death now.

If nothing else, Lana proved herself as being loyal and truly in love with Clark. I mean he doesn't have to wonder how she would react. He saw it. She still wanted to spend her life with a person who in actualilty--is an alien! No one can tell me that Lex doesn't already realize that Chloe and Martha know the secret. Has he gone after them? Are they dead? Nope. I stick by my original topic. Clark is a moron.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I wonder if Tom Wellington is disappointed that they are drawing Clark and Lana this way. This is Superman, the most powerful force on the planet. I understand watching Lana die and then blaming himself for Jonathan has messed him up. But i don't think all the viewers are tuning back in every week since episode 100.

[puddinpiester]

I don't think she necessarly "deserves" to know. She hasn't been as forthcoming about things as she expects Clark to be. Sounds like a double standard to me. In the Mortal episode, she mentioned to Clark about "things she had done" which he didn't know about. Maybe she was gonna come clean; maybe she wasn't. We'll never know. Clark didn't force her to tell him "everything" she'd been hiding. He was willing to accept her with all her secrets. I thought she agreed to do the same. I could be remembering incorrectly.

Plus, she's pretty sure that Clark has been keeping something from her. Granted his secret may be even bigger than she can even imagine, but knowing that he had a serious secret, she still was intimate with him. If his keeping secrets bothered her that much, then perhaps she should have remained a virgin. Now, she's taken his virginity just as he took hers, and NOW she is bemoaning the "secrets and lies". But they do have memories.

It is his secret to tell. He wants to tell her, MAYBE, but he, for his own reasons, chooses not to tell. She made a similiar choice (not revealing secrets) by not telling Clark: 1. the people he fought in Lex's mansion in Arrival were in fact people she saw emerge from the spaceship, 2. she killed Mrs. Teague and that it was self-defense, 3. why Mrs. Teague came after her, 4. she's been running to Lex way too much and to me this is a pretty condemning secret. She was with Lex when Jonathan died. I don't think Clark knows that, but if he did, it was certainly hurt. My point is Lana doesn't tell all, either.

I choose not to believe that Clark is a moronic whimp. He is neither dumb (thought the writers are trying their hardest to portray him that way. Maybe they just want to emphasize the impact when his intelligence erupts.), nor is he a whimp. Clark is between a rock and a hard spot.

He may be illogical and irrational, but I don't see him as a moron or a whimp. Just a guy in a tough situation. Torn between what he is, what he could be, what he wants, which sacrifices he is willing to make, and what he can safely and reasonably expect to be able to have. Enough stuff to deal with that a normal person would have a "psychotic break".

[auxvis]

First, I wanted to say I have a problem when people argue things and then justify it by saying "plot point". Granted common sense would dictate Lana would not run to Lex...but on the show she does and so we have to take it that she does...And on the show, that is why Clark can't trust her...

Plus, once again, you guys seem to forget that Lana isn't exactly the most forthcoming with Clark...She hides things from him, too. She is not the innocent victim that just has the secret hidden from her for no reason.

Yes, Clark WANTS to be able to tell her...But he knows he CAN'T...It would make him feel better and he'd be happy not to keep it from her...but he realizes it is something he must do...or he feels it is...whether logical or not...that's the way he feels.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by voytek
She "deserves" to know because you don't lie to those you love. I don't get why everyone is forgetting all five seasons. Clark has told his parents and Chloe umpteen times that it's killing him NOT to tell Lana. He even told his parents in Reckoning how it felt to finally confess the secret to her. Did he not say she is the ONE person he has always wanted to tell? He's hiding this gigantic secret and he can't be himself. And I must say Lana took the news extremely well. Did she freak out? Nope. Was she angry? Nope. She told him that he was just like everyone else i.e. normal. It didn't change her feelings at all for him.

Now as for why she keeps running to Lex? Plot point. Pure and simple. Common sense would dictate she's run to Chloe. That is her best friend and they consider themselves sisters. The writers are using the Lex/Lana talks to set up Lexana. I personally think it would have been much more interesting to have her confiding in Chloe and watch Chloe struggle with how to handle it. And I don't think Clark and Lex are enemies yet. They just aren't friends anymore. And it's not Clark's place to tell Lana who she can and cannot be friends with. It's her choice. Lex and Lana are friends and it's not unusual for her to visit him. Clark is afraid that Lana will be hurt or maybe even killed if he confides his secret. Lana saw a drunken Lex the night of the election and that won't happen now. That night has come and gone. All Clark has to do is change things up. Why propose so early or at all. They are 18 for crying out loud. I think his fear of having sex with her is the biggest crock. Hasn't he heard of making love? And like Chloe told him. It's something he can learn to control. Just like he can shake hands without crushing them. All he has to do is tell her the truth and the events that happened surrounding the night she died. She can distance herself from Lex or limit her contact. It was Jor-El needing someone to balance out when he saved Clark. Well, JK is now dead. Lana died because she was the person to balance things out. Her life isn't marked for death now.

If nothing else, Lana proved herself as being loyal and truly in love with Clark. I mean he doesn't have to wonder how she would react. He saw it. She still wanted to spend her life with a person who in actualilty--is an alien! No one can tell me that Lex doesn't already realize that Chloe and Martha know the secret. Has he gone after them? Are they dead? Nope. I stick by my original topic. Clark is a moron.

Well, if I had a friend who was friends with someone I didn't trust as far as I can throw them, I would definitely keep things from them. I wouldn't even bother having a gf who was friends with someone who I consider an enemy or a snake. This is Clark's problem with her. He liked her from before she met Lex, but now that Lex is involved and she always runs to him, how can he tell her? I wouldn't. What if Lex bugs her with one of those devices we saw his mansion bugged with in Insurgence?

I agree with auxvis that we shouldn't be justifying this as plot points since her actions are what speak the loudest. I know her intentions (at this point) are not to give anything away to Lex and that they are good, but remember as JK said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Lex & Clark may not be full fledged enemies yet, but he knows they will be since he knows he is Naman and Lex is in the position of being Sigeeth, especially how Lex was a friend who is now turning against him (as he saw in Cyborg). Postponing things won't make a difference, because with Lex anywhere in the picture, there will always be something bad happening (even when he was trying to help the world by experimenting with black-k, we saw what happened). It wasn't just that night. The only thing that saved her that night was knowing what was going to happen the 2nd time around. Lex's obsession is dangerous to be around, and as long as Lana is Lex's friend, she will never be safe with the secret. Heck, she even has an obsession of finding out about the ship & opening it. Her life will always be marked until Lex gets out of her life forever. Jor-El had many many lives that were lost in Smallville to balance Clark's resurrection, yet so many more are still getting killed. Lana will continue to be in danger. In that Void promo, she didn't look like her life was not in jeopardy.

I think that he can go after Chloe any day he wants, but the thing with her is that she works at a newspaper and he knows how good she's at finding out things about him, so he probably doesn't want to mess with her at this point. And Martha is now a government employee with a lot of power. I don't think he wants to mess with her especially if he suspects Clark having powers. Plus Lionel would not allow anyone, especially Lex, to mess with her. Lana is different since she is his love interest and she confides in him unlike the rest.

[Theshadow129x]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Well, if I had a friend who was friends with someone I didn't trust as far as I can throw them, I would definitely keep things from them. I wouldn't even bother having a gf who was friends with someone who I consider an enemy or a snake. This is Clark's problem with her. He liked her from before she met Lex, but now that Lex is involved and she always runs to him, how can he tell her? I wouldn't. What if Lex bugs her with one of those devices we saw his mansion bugged with in Insurgence?

I agree with auxvis that we shouldn't be justifying this as plot points since her actions are what speak the loudest. I know her intentions (at this point) are not to give anything away to Lex and that they are good, but remember as JK said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Lex & Clark may not be full fledged enemies yet, but he knows they will be since he knows he is Naman and Lex is in the position of being Sigeeth, especially how Lex was a friend who is now turning against him (as he saw in Cyborg). Postponing things won't make a difference, because with Lex anywhere in the picture, there will always be something bad happening (even when he was trying to help the world by experimenting with black-k, we saw what happened). It wasn't just that night. The only thing that saved her that night was knowing what was going to happen the 2nd time around. Lex's obsession is dangerous to be around, and as long as Lana is Lex's friend, she will never be safe with the secret. Heck, she even has an obsession of finding out about the ship & opening it. Her life will always be marked until Lex gets out of her life forever. Jor-El had many many lives that were lost in Smallville to balance Clark's resurrection, yet so many more are still getting killed. Lana will continue to be in danger. In that Void promo, she didn't look like her life was not in jeopardy.

I think that he can go after Chloe any day he wants, but the thing with her is that she works at a newspaper and he knows how good she's at finding out things about him, so he probably doesn't want to mess with her at this point. And Martha is now a government employee with a lot of power. I don't think he wants to mess with her especially if he suspects Clark having powers. Plus Lionel would not allow anyone, especially Lex, to mess with her. Lana is different since she is his love interest and she confides in him unlike the rest.


i so agree

[BadToad]

He may be illogical and irrational, but I don't see him as a moron or a whimp. Just a guy in a tough situation. Torn between what he is, what he could be, what he wants, which sacrifices he is willing to make, and what he can safely and reasonably expect to be able to have. Enough stuff to deal with that a normal person would have a "psychotic break".

Excellent post puddinpiester, and I couldn't agree with you more.

IMO, Clark is not a moron, though he occasionally does something moronic (just like every single other character on SV),
and I don't think he's a wimp (though he occasionally could use more backbone). I agreed with the decision he made in Hypnotic, and I think the scene played out as it had to. I think he would've preferred it go softer, but once Lana pushed the "look me in the eye and tell me you don't love me", the die was cast. He even let her have the last word.

And I just wanted to point out something in this episode that no one seems to have brought up. Lana was going to hop on a plane with Lex and go down to Central America before she even spoke to Clark about it. And this is supposed to be a great trustworthy girlfiend he can confide his deepest secret with? Ah, not in my universe. :rolleyes:

Clark is still cool in my book. Far from perfect, and far from where he needs to be, but still a character I like and watch Smallville for. :)

[MBCorp]

Personally I think the writers were trying to make Clark look bad and be the one at fault in this situation in order not to make Lana look bad when she throws herself in Lex's arms. That's why most people are blaming Clark and putting him down for his actions in the episode, because that's really who the writers want you to blame. It's all being set up so that everything that happens to Lana in future episodes will be Clark and Lex's fault, and she will be completely blameless for everything.

[cmm]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Personally I think the writers were trying to make Clark look bad and be the one at fault in this situation in order not to make Lana look bad when she throws herself in Lex's arms. That's why most people are blaming Clark and putting him down for his actions in the episode, because that's really who the writers want you to blame. It's all being set up so that everything that happens to Lana in future episodes will be Clark and Lex's fault, and she will be completely blameless for everything.


Problem is for them i'd never buy it. I'd blame her like I'm doing now... no one forces her to go to lex she does that of her own accord.

[xrayvision]

I think they did it to give her a reason to run to Lex, otherwise I wouldn't think she'd go to him and just sulk silently.

[Theshadow129x]

Lana is the initial downfall of the relationship like xray said. Why would i tell you my secret if you go to the guy that i believe i cant trust at all. She goes to him and tells him whats going on in our relationship.I mena that was a huge flaw in the 100th episode. TPTBwrote it like He only told her to keep her away from lex but the truth is that Clark wouldnt tell her when he cant trust her. he doesnt know what lana is telling Lex about their relationship he knows that she thinks she can trust lex alot though and would tell him anything for that matter. I couldnt confide something like that into someone that was freinds with my potential enemy. she doesnt deserve to know his secret hell she never showed once that she was worthy of it.

[cmm]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I think they did it to give her a reason to run to Lex, otherwise I wouldn't think she'd go to him and just sulk silently.


The thing is though there's chloe even lois to vent to why go to lex? Seems everything that lately for all her problems she's runs to him. Yes he saved her life but how many times has clark done that? I guess that means clark is chopped liver. This is where the writers screw up they need to branch her out have her having some girl time with chloe and lois or even with her aunt nell.

[voytek]

Originally posted by auxvis
First, I wanted to say I have a problem when people argue things and then justify it by saying "plot point". Granted common sense would dictate Lana would not run to Lex...but on the show she does and so we have to take it that she does...And on the show, that is why Clark can't trust her...

Plus, once again, you guys seem to forget that Lana isn't exactly the most forthcoming with Clark...She hides things from him, too. She is not the innocent victim that just has the secret hidden from her for no reason.

Yes, Clark WANTS to be able to tell her...But he knows he CAN'T...It would make him feel better and he'd be happy not to keep it from her...but he realizes it is something he must do...or he feels it is...whether logical or not...that's the way he feels.

I say plot point because that's what it is. It is clear that is the reason she is running to him. It's the set up for Lexana And perhaps you can take it and accept it because it's what she does on the show, but that's you. We haven't seen ANY girl talk between Lana and Chloe and that makes no sense. They are roommates for crying out loud. It's been established they are best friends and yet we have seen zero chats. Last episode Chloe mentioned Lana called her sobbing because she caught Clark cheating on her. But when she goes to see Lex to discuss the break up and not her "best friend" Chloe, then yes I say plot point.

Clark is not witholding the truth because he doesn't trust Lana or thinks she will tell Lex. He's worried about putting her in danger and he can't erase the image of her death. He now connects the secret reveal with disaster. The two things are not related. For the 10th time. Jor-El told Clark he would claim a loved one in exchange for reversing his death. That is why Lana died. Clark called in a favor and he took Mr. Kent. I call Clark a moron because he doesn't realize it's over. The night of the election has come and gone. If he can propose to Lana then why can't he take her and move away?

And you are absolutely correct. Lana is hiding things from him two. But her secrets are not causing the rift between them. And she was right when she told him she has waiting for him to get over his hang-ups. His fear of intimacy and pitiful lie after lie is weak. What red-blooded amerian teenage boy tells his girlfriend he'd rather put up tarps than spend time alone? Again Lana is many things but she is not stupid. He's the worst liar in the world, he doesn't even make eye contact when he's spinning his BS. The break up was sloppy, much like Reckoning as a whole.


Originally posted by cmm
Problem is for them i'd never buy it. I'd blame her like I'm doing now... no one forces her to go to lex she does that of her own accord.


And that is exactly the issue. There is a huge bias on this board and many boards because people can't stand Lana. It's a fact. There was even a thread started blaming her for not intervening when Chloe was being restrained and sedated. :rolleyes: We all like and dislike whomever we want. I am not disagreeing with it. But it's clear Lana can't do anything right in the eyes of the majority. She was not a bad girlfriend to Clark and she gets my praise for her being persistent and patient. She wanted things to work and she gave her 50%. I just don't think Clark did the same. And it was Clark who pushed for this relationship and he knew the risks.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by cmm
The thing is though there's chloe even lois to vent to why go to lex? Seems everything that lately for all her problems she's runs to him. Yes he saved her life but how many times has clark done that? I guess that means clark is chopped liver. This is where the writers screw up they need to branch her out have her having some girl time with chloe and lois or even with her aunt nell.
Lana going to Lex to solve a problem is nothing new. It started in season one when she went to Lex to help save the Talon. After that, she relied on his help fairly consistently. When the "Beanery" started stealing her business, she asked for his advice. When Adam was a problem, she asked Lex to get rid of him for her.

I think there's a tendency to forget things that don't support people's view of a character, when actually these details provide some consistency.

I also think there's a tendency to hold onto an image of a character or relationship, even when it's been shown that events have changed things. Clark was ready to tell Lana his secret, but when she went to Lex in Reckoning, that affected his view of her. That can't be forgotten. He's not at the same place now as he was before Reckoning.

I've always thought the big mistake Clark made was not telling Lana as soon as he got his powers back in Hidden. I think he was wrong. But, his recent reactions to Lana are justified in light of her actions. And IMO, Lana's relationship with Lex makes me think Clark keeping his secret after Hidden may have been wrong -- but it was a fortunate mistake.

[voytek]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Lana going to Lex to solve a problem is nothing new. It started in season one when she went to Lex to help save the Talon. After that, she relied on his help fairly consistently. When the "Beanery" started stealing her business, she asked for his advice. When Adam was a problem, she asked Lex to get rid of him for her.

I think there's a tendency to forget things that don't support people's view of a character, when actually these details provide some consistency.

I also think there's a tendency to hold onto an image of a character or relationship, even when it's been shown that events have changed things. Clark was ready to tell Lana his secret, but when she went to Lex in Reckoning, that affected his view of her. That can't be forgotten. He's not at the same place now as he was before Reckoning.

I've always thought the big mistake Clark made was not telling Lana as soon as he got his powers back in Hidden. I think he was wrong. But, his recent reactions to Lana are justified in light of her actions. And IMO, Lana's relationship with Lex makes me think Clark keeping his secret after Hidden may have been wrong -- but it was a fortunate mistake.

I agree with most of what you said. He should have told her once his powers returned because that is when things went downhill. But I still disagree with the claim his view of her is changed because she went to Lex. Clark flat out told Chloe that he believes revealing the secret got her killed. He doesn't want to relive that. He still trusts Lana. He is petrified of losing her to death. That's when Chloe pointed out he could alter the events because he knew the outcome. The bus was still gonna hit her and she didn't even know the secret the second time. I think death was on her in a sense. Jor-El planned on taking Lana in exchange. He claimed JK instead. Don't forget, Clark rescued Lois and she would have died, thus sparing Jonathan. Since Lois and Lana were rescued, he took Jonathan.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by voytek
But I still disagree with the claim his view of her is changed because she went to Lex. Clark flat out told Chloe that he believes revealing the secret got her killed. He doesn't want to relive that.

Don't forget that this was before he witnessed the fact that the accident would have happened anyway. After he stopped the bus from hitting her, he knew that the secret didn't do it, but the association with Lex did.

It was best said by enamored in this post:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2005616#post2005616

[BadToad]

Perhaps its just my fanwank, but I think Clark consciously tells himself he's not telling Lana his secret for reasons of safety. And that is truth. I just don't know why people believe it should be so easy for him to just "get over" the sight of her lying bloody, broken and dead just hours after finding out his secret. How many people would really be so quick to take the risk again? I can't say I would.

But I don't think that negates whats been hinted at for a long while now, and that is there are other things that keep Clark from telling Lana his secret. Things he doesn't even admit to himself. Lack of trust, not enough faith in her love for him, perhaps a deep-seated belief that she isn't the right woman for him, knowledge that home and hearth in Smallville with Lana is not his destiny, belief that he can't really give her what she needs. All these scary things that people don't like to admit to themselves when they still try to cling to first love.

Or perhaps I'm giving AlMiles more depth then they deserve. :\

But while I never disliked Lana in the past, and only her recent actions with Lex have made me turn on the character, I also can't ignore some of her flaws and actions. Especially recently. The knowledge that Lex was trying to steal Clark's medical file, and not completely cutting off contact with him over that...what loyal, loving girlfriend would do something like that? Running to his house after the election without telling Clark? Doing the absolute worst job of acting like she doesn't know Clark's secret in Reckoining-V1? Asking Lex to take you to Honduras with him without even talking to Clark about it? I mean, come on. I just can't say that I would trust Lana with Clark's secret either. And if I, as a viewer, believe that, why would I have a problem with Clark believing that?

[auxvis]

Originally posted by cmm
The thing is though there's chloe even lois to vent to why go to lex? Seems everything that lately for all her problems she's runs to him.

Exactly my point...She didn't have to run to Lex...and remember she knows how untrustworthy he is as well...Anyone remember her attitude towards him before he "told her the truth" about the spaceship? She didn't trust him either. Then there was that whole incident in Reckoning but whatever. She doesn't have to turn to Lex and she knows that by doing so she is hurting Clark and does it anyway...



About the plot point issue....Maybe it is a matter of mixing terms. When people say that I just get the feeling they are saying "oh this happened because the writers wrote it that way"...Which is true but then that means we can't justify anything on the show as happening because of a character or their flaws...we should simply say...oh that's the way it was written...and since this discussion is looking for a reason a character didn't do something then I don't think we can justify anything by just saying it was written that way so that's why it is...

Maybe it was a misunderstanding on exactly what you meant.

[voytek]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Don't forget that this was before he witnessed the fact that the accident would have happened anyway. After he stopped the bus from hitting her, he knew that the secret didn't do it, but the association with Lex did.

It was best said by enamored in this post:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2005616#post2005616

Yes, Lana accepted Clark when he told her his secret but the big problem is not with Lana knowing his secret. The big problem is with Lex realizing that Lana knows. As soon as he saw the engagement ring Lex knew that Clark had revealed his secret because Lana had made it clear to Lex that she could never committ totally to Clark unless he came clean with her. Clark figures this out and knows that he can not put Lana in that position again. The only way that he can come clean with Lana is if there is no future between the two of them or else Lex will know. That is why Chloe is not in the same kind of danger knowing Clark's secret. She has no romantic relationship with Clark, is not close to Lex, and has not complained continuously to Lex about Clark lying to her.

So essentially, Lana unknowingly doomed her own relationship with Clark when she became a confidante of Lex. This is not really Lana's fault because at the time she started confiding in Lex he was a better person, but she should have been a bit more careful talking about Clark considering Lex's not so well concealed obsession with Clark.

Thank you for that. It was definately very interesting. I can see him thinking that way, but it's easily solved. All he has to do is tell her what happened. It's not like she would not pick Clark over her friendship with Lex. She loves Clark completely. If he sat her down and explained to her the danger Lex poses if he suspects she knows, then their future would not be doomed. .Forewarned is forearmed And I totally forgot about the medical file. Which is another reason why I say Lana still confiding in Lex makes no sense when she lives with Chloe and shout plot point. It's serves no other purpose than to set up Lexana. And of course that makes Lana look slow and careless but the same goes for Clasrk. There are so many options Clark has at his disposal to prevent a repeat tragedy:

a. Don't propose
b. Move away with Lana
C. Explained to her every single detail of the night she died and the events that brought it about

[auxvis]

I totally agree with what you said in your last paragraph about being forewarned is forarmed however, you have to keep this in mind...

Lex would still know something was up and keep looking into things...

They couldn't really move away because Lex has the resources to know what is going on with them anyway.

Yes, he could have told her what happened and that would have saved her for that night (personally I don't know why she left the party to go see him anyway...but whatever)...but that still leaves all of the future instances he could have gotten to her.

[voytek]

Originally posted by auxvis
I totally agree with what you said in your last paragraph about being forewarned is forarmed however, you have to keep this in mind...

Lex would still know something was up and keep looking into things...

They couldn't really move away because Lex has the resources to know what is going on with them anyway.

Yes, he could have told her what happened and that would have saved her for that night (personally I don't know why she left the party to go see him anyway...but whatever)...but that still leaves all of the future instances he could have gotten to her.

Even more of a mystery why he called or text her. It's not like he didn't know she would be celebrating with Clark and the Kents. I agree he has the resource to find them wherever they move. That's not the point. The point is to eliminate Lana's interaction with Lex. It's not like he would fly out to see them every single day. If she and Clark are living together, I don't see Lex just popping in. He would know he wasn't welcome. I'll just end by saying the reveal and break-up have holes big enough to drive a truck through.

[auxvis]

Originally posted by voytek
...The point is the eliminate Lana's interaction with Lex. It's not like he would fly out to see them every single day...I'll just end by saying the reveal and break-up have holes big enough to drive a truck through.

I agree there are some holes in it but really any story has that...

However, a point you brought up I thought was interesting... Why should Clark have to eliminate Lana's interaction with Lex? If she really deserved to know the secret and all that went with it shouldn't she eliminate the interaction with his bitter enemy on her own? Shouldn't she have enough consideration for "the love of her life" to break off all ties with a man she knows has a record of hurting those around him and with a record of dysfunctional behavior?

[voytek]

Originally posted by auxvis
I agree there are some holes in it but really any story has that...

However, a point you brought up I thought was interesting... Why should Clark have to eliminate Lana's interaction with Lex? If she really deserved to know the secret and all that went with it shouldn't she eliminate the interaction with his bitter enemy on her own? Shouldn't she have enough consideration for "the love of her life" to break off all ties with a man she knows has a record of hurting those around him and with a record of dysfunctional behavior?

No. No. No. I didn't mean Clark eliminating it. I'm sure she would come to that conclusion all on her own. That is the benefit of Clark laying all his cards on the table. Don't you think she would pick Clark over Lex? I sure do. If he tells her what could happen and they discuss the magnitude of the secret and what would happend to Clark(lab rat) she would go along with anything to keep him safe.

To clarify what I mean by plot point:In television and film, a plot point is a significant or overt action or moment within a plot that creates obstacles, raises the stakes, articulates a theme, or complicates things for a protagonist trying to reach an objective. And yes many things in television fall within this category, but Lana confiding in Lex vs. Chloe and going to see him constantly serve no other purpose than to set up Lexana. And it's the fact it makes no sense at all that makes it stick out like a sore thumb. That's why I have a problem with it. There are plot points and then they are neon plot points. LOL

:rotfl:

[auxvis]

I don’t know how my words got confused as I am accepting something simply because it is a plot point because I certainly am not. I am the one trying to say that “it’s a plot point” is not an acceptable answer to any of this discussion.

I personally think that Lana should have gone to Chloe or Lois with this issue. However, she didn’t. Maybe she feels they would side with Clark. Maybe that look that Lana noticed between Clark and Chloe in the Daily Planet a couple of episodes back played into it and she feels that Chloe would just sell her out to Clark. Maybe she feels like she needs someone who won’t run to Clark and right now Lex seems like a good idea because he is playing her so hard that he is the good guy (see his mock defense of Clark at the end of Hypnotic) that she is buying into it. I don’t think that Lana is stupid but she has certainly proven and continues to prove that she is easy to manipulate.

Granted part of his reasoning for not telling Lana is because he is scared she will be put in danger. He isn’t only afraid that this will come from Lex. He is afraid that anyone who can use Lana against him will. If she knows his secret things would be even more dangerous for Lana.

Now, Lex is the main reason. Sure he could get back with Lana and take her away from Smallville, though that’d mean leaving everything you know behind including Martha who really needs Clark to be there with her through this tough time…I mean she did just lose her husband after all. However, Lex could still chase them down and use his resources to find them if he wants to bad enough. Do I think Clark is being somewhat irrational here? Sure. Do I think that makes him stupid or a moron? No.

He cares about the people in his life and would rather be miserable then to let them go. That is heroic in its own right.

And given Lana’s track record I still think she doesn’t “deserve” to know.

[enamored]

I understand that some people would love for Clark and Lana to stay together. They are both beautiful people who have an amazing chemistry. But let's remember that they are not destined to be together in Superman mythos so the end of their relationship was inevitable. That it lasted as long as it has is pretty amazing on its own.

IMO, the writers have made it pretty obvious that Lex is the big danger to the relationship. If Clark confided in Lana and they took great steps to not reveal anything to Lex--i.e. keeping things on the down low, moving away from Smallville, etc. is it realistic to believe that Lex would leave them alone?

Lex's obsession with Clark began with the river rescue and has never abated. He is hellbent on finding out Clark's secret and will do anything and everything necessary to do so. Getting rid of the room in the mansion dedicated to all things Clark was merely a tactic to not completely alienate Clark. He had no intention of stopping his investigations. Additionally, he is majorly obsessed with Lana and wants her for himself. The fact that she wants Clark (who has everything Lex always wanted--hot girlfriend, loving family, friends, etc.) only needles him that much more.

The only safe thing Clark could do is to break things off with Lana for good.

[cmm]

Originally posted by voytek
I say plot point because that's what it is. It is clear that is the reason she is running to him. It's the set up for Lexana And perhaps you can take it and accept it because it's what she does on the show, but that's you. We haven't seen ANY girl talk between Lana and Chloe and that makes no sense. They are roommates for crying out loud. It's been established they are best friends and yet we have seen zero chats. Last episode Chloe mentioned Lana called her sobbing because she caught Clark cheating on her. But when she goes to see Lex to discuss the break up and not her "best friend" Chloe, then yes I say plot point.

Clark is not witholding the truth because he doesn't trust Lana or thinks she will tell Lex. He's worried about putting her in danger and he can't erase the image of her death. He now connects the secret reveal with disaster. The two things are not related. For the 10th time. Jor-El told Clark he would claim a loved one in exchange for reversing his death. That is why Lana died. Clark called in a favor and he took Mr. Kent. I call Clark a moron because he doesn't realize it's over. The night of the election has come and gone. If he can propose to Lana then why can't he take her and move away?

And you are absolutely correct. Lana is hiding things from him two. But her secrets are not causing the rift between them. And she was right when she told him she has waiting for him to get over his hang-ups. His fear of intimacy and pitiful lie after lie is weak. What red-blooded amerian teenage boy tells his girlfriend he'd rather put up tarps than spend time alone? Again Lana is many things but she is not stupid. He's the worst liar in the world, he doesn't even make eye contact when he's spinning his BS. The break up was sloppy, much like Reckoning as a whole.




And that is exactly the issue. There is a huge bias on this board and many boards because people can't stand Lana. It's a fact. There was even a thread started blaming her for not intervening when Chloe was being restrained and sedated. :rolleyes: We all like and dislike whomever we want. I am not disagreeing with it. But it's clear Lana can't do anything right in the eyes of the majority. She was not a bad girlfriend to Clark and she gets my praise for her being persistent and patient. She wanted things to work and she gave her 50%. I just don't think Clark did the same. And it was Clark who pushed for this relationship and he knew the risks.



I can totally agree with you here on some points and it's because Tptb have made lana into this weak, can't do know wrong totally unknowing person (if that makes sense LOL). It gets irritating. Season after season the same thing. I'm one fan that hates lana now but in the begining I didn't I was indifferent to her. It wasn't until they started the clana tug o war that i started to hate her. Each time she leaves him cause she doesn't like secrets and stuff and yet 1 season later she's back with him that just grated on my last nerve. This is just my view on it all. Not to mention the fact that she's always the victim: lockdown = victim, reckoning = victim its' just too much. That is why I no longer like the character. As for the rest not liking her for not intervening on chloes behalf when she was being strapped down I can understand that too since it's lana who wanted her in belrave to begin with. I won't even go into detail with that episode cause certain aspects p me off. For example how everyone jumped to the nutz conclusion straight off the bat for me that was HUH moment considering it's smallville and people get possesed, druged, controlled by other freaks... and when it comes to chloe they think nutz. Even lois's behaviour was out of character to me.


For me though If lana ever found out the secret thats' the end of the relationship of clana once and for all. I just dont' see how that would make them a stronger couple considering she doesn't know the truth now and she's still in a lot of danger.

[Sweetie]

Clark is not wimp,he just doesn't trust her enough to let her know his secret.She knows that Clark & Lex are not friends anymore but,she goes investigate the ship and she's always going to cry on his shoulder when ever she has problems.Lana doesn't deserve to know until she change her perspective of Lex.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by voytek
[I]If he sat her down and explained to her the danger Lex poses if he suspects she knows, then their future would not be doomed. .Forewarned is forearmed

I think if she knew, it would be more obvious to Lex that she would be lying. She is not as good as lying as Lex is. By not knowing, it's convincing that she's in the dark about the secret.

[cmm]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I think if she knew, it would be more obvious to Lex that she would be lying. She is not as good as lying as Lex is. By not knowing, it's convincing that she's in the dark about the secret.


couldn't agree more.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by auxvis
I personally think that Lana should have gone to Chloe or Lois with this issue. However, she didn’t. Maybe she feels they would side with Clark. Maybe that look that Lana noticed between Clark and Chloe in the Daily Planet a couple of episodes back played into it and she feels that Chloe would just sell her out to Clark. Maybe she feels like she needs someone who won’t run to Clark and right now Lex seems like a good idea because he is playing her so hard that he is the good guy (see his mock defense of Clark at the end of Hypnotic) that she is buying into it.

I was about to post this same thing myself. Very good points. I think the reason she talks to Lex is because she knows he's not connected to Clark like Chloe is, and has an obsession for the ship like she does. I also think the set-up of Lexana is a factor.

I really wish they would have made her consult with Lois. Now that would have been interesting. We know Clark isn't that close with Lois. We saw a small glimmer of this in Aqua when Lois asked Lana how she deals with Clark after he was asking all sorts of questions to AC. I think it would be very interesting watching the 2 cousins (Lois & Chloe) give different advice to Lana & Clark respectively.

[voytek]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I was about to post this same thing myself. Very good points. I think the reason she talks to Lex is because she knows he's not connected to Clark like Chloe is, and has an obsession for the ship like she does. I also think the set-up of Lexana is a factor.

I really wish they would have made her consult with Lois. Now that would have been interesting. We know Clark isn't that close with Lois. We saw a small glimmer of this in Aqua when Lois asked Lana how she deals with Clark after he was asking all sorts of questions to AC. I think it would be very interesting watching the 2 cousins (Lois & Chloe) give different advice to Lana & Clark respectively.

Exactly. I totally agree. But I still stand by what I said before. If Clark doesn't trust Lana and I'm not saying it isn't possible, he hasn't said it. We can only go by what has happened onscreen, that being his talk with Chloe that he believes the secret got Lana killed. He never uttered a word about not trusting her. And it has nothing to do with trusting Chloe more. He did even tell Chloe. She found out on her own. So if anything, Clark only trusts Pete. That is the only person he willingly confessed to.

The Lana hate is so rampant, she can't do anything right. :rolleyes: When she uses self-defense to defend herself it's criticized. When she is rescued by Clark, she's called a weakling or a victim. But the fact remains he has saved every single person on the show repeatedly. But people just remeber that about Lana. Whatever. We like who like and we dislike who we dislike. Thank you all for taking the time to reply and I enjoyed reading many of your posts. I stand by what I said. Clark is weak and makes moronic decisions. I'm now indifferent to him.

Peace

[SlickBlonde]

i think she goes to lex because she feels lex shares her sympathies as far as clark not being trust worthy, and as she says "what its like being friends with clark". I don't think chloe or lois really come off to her as being as irritated with his lying as lex has been, so she feels when it comes to her troubles with clark she relates best to lex


Originally posted by voytek
Exactly. I totally agree. But I still stand by what I said before. If Clark doesn't trust Lana and I'm not saying it isn't possible, he hasn't said it. We can only go by what has happened onscreen, that being his talk with Chloe that he believes the secret got Lana killed. He never uttered a word about not trusting her. And it has nothing to do with trusting Chloe more. He did even tell Chloe. She found out on her own. So if anything, Clark only trusts Pete. That is the only person he willingly confessed to.



Peace

Actually clark was cornered into telling pete his secret as well. Had pete not found the spaceship then accused clark of stealing it, its doubtful clark still would have had intentions of telling him anything. the only person clark ever completely voluntarily (meaning without any previous precursor) reveals his secret to is lois lane.

as far as clark not trusting lana. I have a theory that may converge with that. I don't think he doesn't trust her, i think he just knows she's got a terrible poker face. I think we all know that, and NO clark hasnt explicitly said that either, but its just my theory. But he did find out in reckoning that lana wasn't the greatest at holding her own against lex. I think she wears her heart on her sleeve, and although she may always have the best of intentions, she's never been good at fooling people.

[voytek]

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
i think she goes to lex because she feels lex shares her sympathies as far as clark not being trust worthy, and as she says "what its like being friends with clark". I don't think chloe or lois really come off to her as being as irritated with his lying as lex has been, so she feels when it comes to her troubles with clark she relates best to lex



Actually clark was cornered into telling pete his secret as well. Had pete not found the spaceship then accused clark of stealing it, its doubtful clark still would have had intentions of telling him anything. the only person clark ever completely voluntarily (meaning without any previous precursor) reveals his secret to is lois lane.

as far as clark not trusting lana. I have a theory that may converge with that. I don't think he doesn't trust her, i think he just knows she's got a terrible poker face. I think we all know that, and NO clark hasnt explicitly said that either, but its just my theory. But he did find out in reckoning that lana wasn't the greatest at holding her own against lex. I think she wears her heart on her sleeve, and although she may always have the best of intentions, she's never been good at fooling people.

Right. But he told Pete because he was losing him. He was pissed because he knew Clark was hiding something and yes he thought he stole the ship. They argued and at that moment he revealed the secret to save the friendship. Of course he hadn't just held Pete's dead body in his arms either. LOL. But i totally agree that Lana has a terrible poker face. Not everyone is a wonderful liar. And she surely wears her heart on her sleeve.

[SlickBlonde]

You're right he told pete because he knew hew as loosing his friendship, same reasoning with Lana. In my opinion thats being cornered, and its not completely voluntary. He didn't tell them solely because he AND they were ready, but because there were other factors involved that were pushing him.

And yeh, lots of people like to put lana and chloe and martha all in the same boat and say, chloe and martha are ok, there's no reason lana shouldn't know either. But in my opinion they're not equal. Chloe's got waaaayyyy more mouth on her than Lana, and we know martha has gotten necessarily manipulative just by practice.

[bluegayle]

Originally posted by enamored
Clark admitted that he has been trying to break things off with her for a while but did not have the courage.

Lana has clearly shown that contrary to telling Lex in Reckoning that they had had their last fight she was not ready to give up on Clark. Reckoning also showed that the minute Clark and Lana's relationship moves beyond boyfriend and girlfriend to something really serious Lex will know that Clark has shared his secret with Lana. At that point Lana is in danger because Lex will not let it go. Clark knows this and that is part of why he has been holding back on their relationship. He has been hinting that the relationship was not working for several of the past few episodes but Lana would just not let go. That is why Clark had to let her down in the hardest way--more subtle means had not been working. Let's face it. Men are total wimps when it comes to confrontation of that kind with women. It took guts for Clark to do what he finally did--especially since he still loves/lusts after her.

As for Lois and Chloe, Lex is not really the same kind of threat to them because they haven't repeatedly confided in him, like Lana has, that they don't know if they can ever have a true relationship with Clark unless he's honest with them.

this is a very good explanation of what has happened. makes great sense.

and you're definitely right. as soon as lex found out lana was marrying clark, he saw right through her that she had found out his secret and was now sharing it with him.

my running joke about this is, clark can't tell lana in the new timeline because even her facial features can't keep a secret even if she wanted to.

Edit: seems like someone else thought the same thing when they mentioned Lana's poker face when conftonted with issues like this! yay we agree!

[nathunder]

I don't like the writer of this episode. I think most of us knew this was coming, but of all the ways to break things off, it was SOOOO COLD. Ok, I know it had to come, but man, couldn't they think of something that didn't have Clark lying right to her face. I mean he came off as cold hearted. The truth is, I would probably have been ok with the in your face breakup but her line after made it seem so permanant. I'd rather her say anything but forever.

I didn't like Clark after this episode, and I didn't like that feeling.

[voytek]

Originally posted by nathunder
I don't like the writer of this episode. I think most of us knew this was coming, but of all the ways to break things off, it was SOOOO COLD. Ok, I know it had to come, but man, couldn't they think of something that didn't have Clark lying right to her face. I mean he came off as cold hearted. The truth is, I would probably have been ok with the in your face breakup but her line after made it seem so permanant. I'd rather her say anything but forever.

I didn't like Clark after this episode, and I didn't like that feeling.

Agreed. It was totally cold and cruel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He needed HER to do it so that it was definate. But necessary or not, the way he chose to do it totally discrespected and disgraced their love.

[RedQ]

Now they are appling his country farmboy values? A BIT TOO LATE TPTB
Originally posted by enamored
Clark admitted that he has been trying to break things off with her for a while but did not have the courage.

Lana has clearly shown that contrary to telling Lex in Reckoning that they had had their last fight she was not ready to give up on Clark. Reckoning also showed that the minute Clark and Lana's relationship moves beyond boyfriend and girlfriend to something really serious Lex will know that Clark has shared his secret with Lana. At that point Lana is in danger because Lex will not let it go. Clark knows this and that is part of why he has been holding back on their relationship. He has been hinting that the relationship was not working for several of the past few episodes but Lana would just not let go. That is why Clark had to let her down in the hardest way--more subtle means had not been working. Let's face it. Men are total wimps when it comes to confrontation of that kind with women. It took guts for Clark to do what he finally did--especially since he still loves/lusts after her.

As for Lois and Chloe, Lex is not really the same kind of threat to them because they haven't repeatedly confided in him, like Lana has, that they don't know if they can ever have a true relationship with Clark unless he's honest with them. http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2004833#post2004833
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2005750#post2005750
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2007773#post2007773
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2007978#post2007978
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2009490#post2009490

[clana_never_give_up]

I felt that in that episode Hypnotic, Clark was a different person, almost like he had a split-personality and it just happened to come out the day he was hypnotized. The normal Clark wouldn't of done that, I think the writers just gave up on clana. It was ridiculous. They can't just throw four years of a relationship down the drain like that. For him to look her in the eyes and tell her he doesn't love her, it's not him. They shouldn't of done it. They have no idea how many fans they are going to lose this season. The majority of fans are clana fans! Basically the writers killed Smallville by doing that episode. Unless Clark gets back with Lana or she breaks up with Lex, the show is going to end. I don't want it to end but it's their fault. Their don't know how much they were worng for doing that!:mad: