That was just flat out mean!

[Happy Random]

Is any body else ticked about the way that they ended the Clana?!? I mean I have gripped about the Clana and have been kind of waiting for it to end, but Clark was just a butt!! I mean how could he do that to her?!? I like Lana as a character and that was just the most awful way that they could have ended her relationship with Clark. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:Please post your opinions. *Happy Random goes off into room with punching bag to cool off*

[chole_fan]

Yeah, I was kinda mean, but in his own way it was just Clark being Clark. It's the same old, "I have to protect her, can't keep hurting her" thing.

But, Martha's comment at the end was interesting. There may also be a part of Clark that was just ready to move on, saw an opportunity to do so and took it.

Either way, it was a bit harsh.

[muffinpeddler]

Way too harsh. The Superman I know would not have deliberately hurt her AGAIN like that. I know Clark is not this Superman, but could he be any dumber? The threat of the car accident is over. Tell her, you moron. I felt the writers did a half assed job of breaking up Clana, and they should have let it end with some dignity.

[thehenry89]

yes but clark is not superman yet is he. he still superboy

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
Way too harsh. The Superman I know would not have deliberately hurt her AGAIN like that. I know Clark is not this Superman, but could he be any dumber? The threat of the car accident is over. Tell her, you moron. I felt the writers did a half assed job of breaking up Clana, and they should have let it end with some dignity.

Amen to that muffinpeddlar!! :)

[kryptohag]

I think it was way out of line!! He leads this woman on for five years, only to totally ripe her heart to pieces with, drum roll please, a stupid and irresponsible LIE. He should feel ashamed of himself. WTH were the writers thinking!!?? It should of ended mutually and with both of them wanting to be friends in the end.

[thehenry89]

clark never lead anyone on lana knew who he was when she got with him so her hands aren't as clean as some make them out to be.

[kryptohag]

Umm... Yes he did. He was all googly eyed with her since the beginning, and doing weird things to try to get her to like him as well. She stalled her feelings for him for the longest time, because she didn't want to get hurt. Then when he says "no more secrets, no more lies.." she felt that he was honest and totally let him in. Although, you are somewhat right. Both of them played a role in this break-up, but I think it was more so due on his part.

[Happy Random]

The sadest part of this is that we won't even get Clois for a while. After the way that he broke up with Lana she is not going to want to have anything to do with him, which she flat out states to Chloe when she first finds out about him and *grrrrr* Simone. He is going to have to shape up if he and Lois are ever going to get anywhere.

[LuckyKrypto]

The conversation at the end that Clark has with his mom is very interesting. She is so right when she tells him he gave her a reason to hate him. Not really thinking this whole thing through now is he?
Chloe tried to tell him to think about it etc. , but once again his reasoning just makes me go "huh?????" :confused:

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
The conversation at the end that Clark has with his mom is very interesting. She is so right when she tells him he gave her a reason to hate him. Not really thinking this whole thing through now is he?
Chloe tried to tell him to think about it etc. , but once again his reasoning just makes me go "huh?????" :confused:

I agree. His logic really is out there... I hope that next episode gives Lana a reason not to hate him. It defiantly won't fix everything, or stop Lexana but hopefully they can still just be friends. :)

[attitudejc]

i think for him, he had to do it a bit harsh. and also, if he said "i still love you, but we can't be together" lana wouldn't give up. i think that she would try and try and try until she knew exactly why they couldn't be together.

[cotton candy girl]

Which will probably happen anyway after Lexana gets botched up.

[shadowcat20x]

It was incredibly mean. As Chloe said - He crushed her. I love Clark but what a FREAKIN IDIOT.

[suave_man]

It was harsh, but necessary. If Clark hadn't told her he didn't love her then Lana would still be with him and could potentially get into danger. He had to do something to end it once and for all and the only way he could was by telling her he doesn't love her. It was for her own good. Clark would rather have her hate him than be in possible harm, which is pretty selfless. Lana may not understand it now, but I have no doubt in my mind that she will by the series end.

[muffinpeddler]

Originally posted by shadowcat20x
It was incredibly mean. As Chloe said - He crushed her. I love Clark but what a FREAKIN IDIOT.

Definitely!

[Kal'sGirl]

umm, she broke up with him and all he said was 'I don't love you anymore'

what's harsh about it?

[Zungas]

Clark is a moron.

[muffinpeddler]

My Avi speaks for itself.

[BadToad]

I thought he made a bold choice to push Lana away, and help her get on with her life. Honestly, I don't get what the big deal is anyway. Lana sort of broke up with him in Reckoning, and he didn't hate her. Then they got back together sort of, but neither one of them has been happy and they have both acknowledged it wasn't working. Is a break-up really that much of a shock to Lana?

I think Clark did what he had to do to break what had become a very destructive cycle. For both of them.

And Lana's already has a back-up guy.

[Happy Random]

Yes but did he really have to totally crush her to do it? That is what bugs me, I knew that Clana would end at some point but this was just..... :\

[cotton candy girl]

The title of the thread says it all...mean. :mad:

[Kal'sGirl]

what was he supposed to do?

He tells her his secret- lex finds out- he (being LEX LUTHOR) finagles the secret out of her and possibly kills her in the process.

He doesn't tell her and they continue this torturous dance.

OR

He pushes her away to save her. He GRANTS HER JUSTIFICATION not to pine for him. He MAKES SURE she doesn't try to patch things up with him.

That wasn't mean, that was selfless. He loves/cares for this woman to his core.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
My Avi speaks for itself.
:lol: So it does.

I agree. It was mean and an unecessary way to end the relationship.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by attitudejc
i think for him, he had to do it a bit harsh. and also, if he said "i still love you, but we can't be together" lana wouldn't give up. i think that she would try and try and try until she knew exactly why they couldn't be together.

I just don't think that he had to be that cruel though. I think that if he had chosen the other route and told Lana his secret that she would have understood and done what her counterpart did in the comics, which was just to let him go and fulfill his destiny but deep down still always love him in a way. That is just what I think :\

[BadToad]

How do you be nice about a break-up? Especially in a relationship thats perpetually going up and down, and coming apart, and getting back together, and coming apart? How do you break that cycle? The first thing he said to her was "my feelings have changed", it was Lana that forced the "I don't love you anymore" part, and thats because that is what she NEEDED to hear in order to move on. He then tried to be nice about it, and apologize, but she didn't want to hear it. Which is fine. He'd rather she be angry at him, hate him, and be able to move on then for her to hanging on to something with him that isn't going to go any further.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Happy Random
I just don't think that he had to be that cruel though. I think that if he had chosen the other route and told Lana his secret that she would have understood and done what her counterpart did in the comics, which was just to let him go and fulfill his destiny but deep down still always love him in a way. That is just what I think :\

Gosh that's beautiful. *sniffles and reaches for a tissue*. If only.

[Batman/Superman#1]

what about Lex? him being such and evil person. Sending a strange woman to break up Lana and Clark. but at the end Clark did it offically.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by BadToad
How do you be nice about a break-up? Especially in a relationship thats perpetually going up and down, and coming apart, and getting back together, and coming apart? How do you break that cycle? The first thing he said to her was "my feelings have changed", it was Lana that forced the "I don't love you anymore" part, and thats because that is what she NEEDED to hear in order to move on. He then tried to be nice about it, and apologize, but she didn't want to hear it. Which is fine. He'd rather she be angry at him, hate him, and be able to move on then for her to hanging on to something with him that isn't going to go any further.

Actually...you make a good point. :lol:

[cotton candy girl]

But I think the counterpoint is valid. Why not do the opposite? WHy not tell her the secret and have them eventually end as good friends? Why the "I don't love you" lie? That's not the ONLY route to take. Lying to her is not the only way to break the cycle.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
But I think the coubterpoint is valid. Why not do the opposite? WHy not tell her the secret and have them eventually end as good friends? Why the "I don't love you" lie?

That's a good point too.;)

[Kal'sGirl]

he told her, 2 hours later she was road pizza

he's not going to tell her. She can't hide things from Lex.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by BadToad
How do you be nice about a break-up? Especially in a relationship thats perpetually going up and down, and coming apart, and getting back together, and coming apart? How do you break that cycle? The first thing he said to her was "my feelings have changed", it was Lana that forced the "I don't love you anymore" part, and thats because that is what she NEEDED to hear in order to move on. He then tried to be nice about it, and apologize, but she didn't want to hear it. Which is fine. He'd rather she be angry at him, hate him, and be able to move on then for her to hanging on to something with him that isn't going to go any further.
You do have a point. But it didnt have to be such a cruel break up. Clark couldve just told Lana he would always love her in some way, but he didnt believe they were going to have a future together. I guess its just because TPTB like their angst and put it into everything on the show.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by BadToad
How do you be nice about a break-up? Especially in a relationship thats perpetually going up and down, and coming apart, and getting back together, and coming apart? How do you break that cycle? The first thing he said to her was "my feelings have changed", it was Lana that forced the "I don't love you anymore" part, and thats because that is what she NEEDED to hear in order to move on. He then tried to be nice about it, and apologize, but she didn't want to hear it. Which is fine. He'd rather she be angry at him, hate him, and be able to move on then for her to hanging on to something with him that isn't going to go any further.

I think that what she needed to hear is the truth. Seriously, that break-up could of been a lot less painful if he had just bucked up and told her his secret. And, as I put before she probably would have accepted him and eventually let him go so that he can fulfill his destiny. That is how it was in the comics and I think that that is how it should have (and could have) gone in this show, but oh well. You can't always get what you want I guess. :)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
But I think the coubterpoint is valid. Why not do the opposite? WHy not tell her the secret and have them eventually end as good friends? Why the "I don't love you" lie?

Because TPTB don't want to make anything simple. Plus, if she knew the truth about Clark, then this whole Lexana thing would never happen, and sadly, that seems to be the only thing that TPTB want to see happen right about now. Brainiac will be a topic next episode and then he'll probably disappear until the last two episodes or something. That is the time when TPTB want this Lexana thing to play out.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by myankskent
Because TPTB don't want to make anything simple.

:lol: :lol:

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
he told her, 2 hours later she was road pizza

he's not going to tell her. She can't hide things from Lex. She was also almost road pizza again even without knowing the secret.

Look at Chloe. The girl doesn't even break a nail over the secret.


Originally posted by myankskent
Because TPTB don't want to make anything simple. Plus, if she knew the truth about Clark, then this whole Lexana thing would never happen, and sadly, that seems to be the only thing that TPTB want to see happen right about now.

I agree. Without this debacle, Lexana wouldn't happen.

[Kal'sGirl]

exactly why he can't tell lana. She can't lie to lex. They have a weird connection

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by myankskent
Because TPTB don't want to make anything simple. Plus, if she knew the truth about Clark, then this whole Lexana thing would never happen, and sadly, that seems to be the only thing that TPTB want to see happen right about now. Brainiac will be a topic next episode and then he'll probably disappear until the last two episodes or something. That is the time when TPTB want this Lexana thing to play out.

Very true

[myankskent]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
She was also almost road pizza again even without knowing the secret.

Look at Chloe. The girl doesn't even break a nail over the secret.

That's because Clark and her are not in love. If they were in love, then Lex wouldn't be such a moron and press Chloe more about what happened in the caves when she slammed him into the wall. Instead, it's as if that never happened and Chloe is in the clear. He can only put the things involving Lana together, ie. Reckoning. You'd also think that Brainiac would target Chloe in his quest to get Clark because he knows that she knows Clark's secret. Brainiac shouldn't just go after Lex or else he's an idiot too. He can easily use Chloe as his pawn as well.

[sari_chem]

The Clana is broken up, but the issues are still there. The break up didn't do anything, except propel Lana towards Lex. How can Clark be so...so...ugh...so Clark-like?

Why lie to her like that? Why make her hate him?

I knew that the Clana wouldn't last, but I wanted them to remain friends.

I don't know how this Clark is going to be superman. Isn't it about time that he grow up. Chloe can't be his voice of reason forever.

[Happy Random]

exactly why he can't tell lana. She can't lie to lex. They have a weird connection

I think that the reason that Lex got all physic in Reckoning was because A) he was drunk and B) he saw Lana's ring and since he was all drunk and freaked out it caused Lana to panic and he saw that as a 'oh she knows something about Clark' which wasn't what Lana was freaking out about at all. :)

[attitudejc]

well he did try to go on and it would probably sound a little nicer, and she wouldn't let him. and she did ask him to do it, so he did. wat can i say. the boy does what he is told. :\

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Happy Random
I think that the reason that Lex got all physic in Reckoning was because A) he was drunk and B) he saw Lana's ring and since he was all drunk and freaked out it caused Lana to panic and he saw that as a 'oh she knows something about Clark' which wasn't what Lana was freaking out about at all. :)

Reckoning is really the episode that screwed this show over. Since Reckoning we have been getting nothing but filler material when it comes to Lex, Clark and Lana. The ship, Lionel and Brainiac have been the only non-filler material that we have seen since Reckoning.

[suave_man]

Honestly, breakups never end great. I don't know why people think it was so cruel for him to break up with her the way he did yet most of the people here moan and groan about clana and say you can't wait for them to be over. How else was he supposed to break up with her? If he told her his secret, she could die! If he didn't say anything then their cycle would still continue. Clark had to end it the way he did. Lana can finally move on and from the ending of the episode, it looks like Clark is kind of moving on as well.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by attitudejc
well he did try to go on and it would probably sound a little nicer, and she wouldn't let him. and she did ask him to do it, so he did. wat can i say. the boy does what he is told. :\

It wouldn't have mattered if he went on, it was all lies anyway. He said one hard line, "I don't love you anymore", which was a lie of course, and then he was finally off the hook. Clark got away easy because he was convincing in deceiveing Lana. If Lana had seen right through him, Clark would've crawled under a rock and hid.


Originally posted by suave_man
Honestly, breakups never end great. I don't know why people think it was so cruel for him to break up with her the way he did yet most of the people here moan and groan about clana and say you can't wait for them to be over. How else was he supposed to break up with her? If he told her his secret, she could die! If he didn't say anything then their cycle would still continue. Clark had to end it the way he did. Lana can finally move on and from the ending of the episode, it looks like Clark is kind of moving on as well.

Lana would not die if she knew the secret, I'm tired of hearing that. Reckoning proved the fact that she would've died either way. It required Clark's heroics to save her life the second time around and if Clark had half a brain, he would realize that.

And also, let's get one thing straight. Lex didn't kill Lana in Reckoning, a bus did. Wrong place, wrong time. If Lex physically killed Lana in cold blood, Clark would have reason not to tell her. But Lex had no part in it except for driving drunk and accidentally pinning Lana onto one side of the road.

[Fly by guy]

What I thought was going to be a progression since Reckoning to propel Clark to mature to becoming a superhero instead has become a cold, heartless jerk. Superman my butt. A hemorhoid on the buttocks of Smallville. Simply cruel.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
What I thought was going to be a progression since Reckoning to propel Clark to mature to becoming a superhero instead has become a cold, heartless jerk. Superman my butt. A hemorhoid on the buttocks of Smallville. Simply cruel.

Sadly, I thought the same thing. I really hope that he pulls his head out and starts to shape up. :\

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by myankskent
Lana would not die if she knew the secret, I'm tired of hearing that. Reckoning proved the fact that she would've died either way. It required Clark's heroics to save her life the second time around and if Clark had half a brain, he would realize that.


I agreed! It's the stupidest reason because the second time around proved Lana would have died whether she knew the secret or not!

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by myankskent
Lana would not die if she knew the secret, I'm tired of hearing that. Reckoning proved the fact that she would've died either way. It required Clark's heroics to save her life the second time around and if Clark had half a brain, he would realize that.


Yep. You said it.

Isn't it funny how almost all Clana discussions boil down to the fact that Clark needs to just spill his secret to her?? It's like, logic or something... ;)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Happy Random
Sadly, I thought the same thing. I really hope that he pulls his head out and starts to shape up. :\

Well we've been hoping for this for far too long. The way I see it though, if you don't want to take the blame the writers approach and want to instead blame the characters, it's easy to single out the one character that is screwing up this entire show, and unfortunately, that character is Clark. It was his stupidity that got Lana killed initially, it was his decision that got his father killed and it was his decision to bounce back and forth with his relationship with Lana. Clark has basically screwed over the lives of everyone who live around him by making stupid decisions.

[Kal'sGirl]

the point was, engaged to clark or separated from him, Lana always finds herself back to Lex. She can't lie to him. He risks Lex discovering his secret if Lana knows.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
the point was, engaged to clark or separated from him, Lana always finds herself back to Lex. She can't lie to him. He risks Lex discovering his secret if Lana knows.

And again, we'll go back to her not knowing Clark's secret. If she knew about Clark and how much Lex was trying to exploit whatever Clark is hiding, she would take a whole different approach to Lex because she would realize how important Clark is to the earth. She would also see how cold Lex can be because all he wants to do is benefit from things, no matter who he exposes or destroys in the process. It's this side of Lex that is not known to Lana because she doesn't know about the secret.

Telling Lana the truth about everything will make her understand who Lex really is. Clark didn't tell her this information during Reckoning. How about explaining to her why exactly he is at odds with Lex? She knows that there are problems with both of them but she doesn't know why because Clark can't give up his secret to tell her.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
the point was, engaged to clark or separated from him, Lana always finds herself back to Lex. She can't lie to him. He risks Lex discovering his secret if Lana knows.

maybe if Clark was a little smarter and told her about Lex seting her and the Kents up in Mortal to test him or about the clark room or about what Lex did to AC She won't go to Lex anymore. Thus won't be in a place where she has to lie to him, when he asks why she doesn't want to know him anymore she can tell him the truth she knows about the horrible things he's done! But nooooo that would be too smart:rolleyes:

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by angelfire east
maybe if Clark was a little smarter and told her about Lex seting her and the Kents up in Mortal to test him or about the clark room or about what Lex did to AC She won't go to Lex anymore. Thus won't be in a place where she has to lie to him, when he asks why she doesn't want to know him anymore she can tell him the truth she knows about the horrible things he's done! But nooooo that would be too smart:rolleyes:

That's a good point, Becki. If Clark would tell Lana the truth about Lex then maybe she'd be smart enough to stay away from him. I still don't understand why he hasn't warned her away from Lex.

[Shardz]

they built up the relationship since day one and theyre not really going to let it go that easily? this is just a bump in the road.

okay its more like wall than bump, but this relationship car will climb walls! they always do this. make things seem at the very worst and then pull out something miraculous out of their asses and all of the sudden we're happy again.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by MBCorp
That's a good point, Becki. If Clark would tell Lana the truth about Lex then maybe she'd be smart enough to stay away from him. I still don't understand why he hasn't warned her away from Lex.

It requires logic and that is just something that Clark does not have. :D Really the fact that all Clana discussions boil down to the fact that Clark needs to tell her his secret is just sad. It really would make life a whole lot easier on both of them if he would just do it! :\

This is kind of out of the blue, but was this the episode that TW directed? I know it was coming up soon, but couldn't remember if this was the one. :) If he did, it is interesting that he was the one that directed the episode with such a mean break-up. :)

[attitudejc]

i think that that one is the one with the little girl maddie. isn't it "Fragile" i think.

[Happy Random]

Oh yeah... I knew that.... Sort of. Thanks :)

[hassenmorad]

Originally posted by Happy Random
I agree. His logic really is out there... I hope that next episode gives Lana a reason not to hate him. It defiantly won't fix everything, or stop Lexana but hopefully they can still just be friends. :)
I agree, but I guess this feeling of shock with the way Clark ended the relationship and how they'll see eachother in the future is a fresh start to his life after Lana. I'm totally in shock with the way it happened but destiny came calling.

[Coyote]

Clark believed, probably correctly, that he had to have a final breakup with Lana, and that it would be a bad idea to tell her his secret.

But as Martha has tried to point out to him, the real reason Clark felt a need to break up with Lana might not even relate to his powers. Martha could tell that Clark recognized that Lana was just not the one for him. That doesn't mean that he doesn't still love her on some level. He just knows that the two of them are not quite the right combination for building a life together, and it would be unfair to Lana to tie her down to a relationship that he knew was ultimately not going to work.

It would certainly have been possible for Clark to have communicated this to Lana in a much kinder way than "My feelings have changed. I don't love you. Get Lost." He wouldn't even have had to tell her about his powers. But Clark isn't smooth enough to do that. That's realistic. Most 19 year old guys aren't. So he ended the relationship in a crude and clumsy way that hurt and angered Lana unnecessarily. Besides being realistic, this also moves along the storyline of Lana becoming involved with Lex and turning against Clark.

[lanekent08]

I'm not a Clana shipper, but I agree with you people, it was harsh! I never expected it would end this way.

[attitudejc]

i feel sorry for lana. she got the crappy end of this relationship.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by MBCorp
That's a good point, Becki. If Clark would tell Lana the truth about Lex then maybe she'd be smart enough to stay away from him. I still don't understand why he hasn't warned her away from Lex.

Because he's a big dumb Alien! It's funny the big three have all been made into idoits.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Because he's a big dumb Alien! It's funny the big three have all been made into idoits.

:lol: :lol: :D

Good points Coyote. I think you hit the nail on the head. :)

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by Coyote
Clark believed, probably correctly, that he had to have a final breakup with Lana, and that it would be a bad idea to tell her his secret.

But as Martha has tried to point out to him, the real reason Clark felt a need to break up with Lana might not even relate to his powers. Martha could tell that Clark recognized that Lana was just not the one for him. That doesn't mean that he doesn't still love her on some level. He just knows that the two of them are not quite the right combination for building a life together, and it would be unfair to Lana to tie her down to a relationship that he knew was ultimately not going to work.

It would certainly have been possible for Clark to have communicated this to Lana in a much kinder way than "My feelings have changed. I don't love you. Get Lost." He wouldn't even have had to tell her about his powers. But Clark isn't smooth enough to do that. That's realistic. Most 19 year old guys aren't. So he ended the relationship in a crude and clumsy way that hurt and angered Lana unnecessarily. Besides being realistic, this also moves along the storyline of Lana becoming involved with Lex and turning against Clark.

I totally agree with you
(I forget at times that he is only 19) :\

[love_smallville]

I think no matter how TPTB would have ended Clana people would be unhappy, whether it be at Clark or Lana.

I just don't get why people are saying some of the things they are about Clark. It would have been more selfish for him to keep holding on to Lana and the best way to end it is to act as if there was no more love between them. To lie to her once again, allowing Lana to move on. Very poetic.

All of this is to protect her. I'm not saying he should be lying, but look at what happened when he did tell her the truth. We see Lex's true colors. And it would happen again were he to tell her now.

I'm sorry, but I'll always end up rooting for Clark because he truly is a tortured soul as he discovers his destiny and my heart breaks for him. Lana can always find someone new. Even though we know Lois is his future he doesn't, so he'll always feel alone until then.

[voytek]

Originally posted by Happy Random
Is any body else ticked about the way that they ended the Clana?!? I mean I have gripped about the Clana and have been kind of waiting for it to end, but Clark was just a butt!! I mean how could he do that to her?!? I like Lana as a character and that was just the most awful way that they could have ended her relationship with Clark. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:Please post your opinions. *Happy Random goes off into room with punching bag to cool off*

Oh I am. It was very insulting. You can't build up their love for five seasons and then end it like that. Clark would NEVER hurt her that way. And then he was so non-challant about it. Even Chloe knew it would crush her and warned him NOT to do it that way. Even if Lana isn't the love of his life, she has been for 11 years and you don't just turn that off like a switch. And Martha has been beating the Clana drum for years. She even insisted Jonathan delay Clark's being grounded because he finally landed a date with Lana. She also wasn't upset when Clark told them he spilled the beans to Lana. Why is that? It's because she realizes that Lana is the one person he has wanted to tell more than any other person.

I don't have amesia and I remember the last five seasons. Clark has been all about Lana. And even when she was with other guys, it was clear she really wanted to be with Clark. I can't stand how they are writing Clark. They are making him deliberately obtuse. I can't stand him now. Clark is a lying, insensitive jerk. He couldn't even break up with her right.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
what was he supposed to do?

He tells her his secret- lex finds out- he (being LEX LUTHOR) finagles the secret out of her and possibly kills her in the process.

He doesn't tell her and they continue this torturous dance.

OR

He pushes her away to save her. He GRANTS HER JUSTIFICATION not to pine for him. He MAKES SURE she doesn't try to patch things up with him.

That wasn't mean, that was selfless. He loves/cares for this woman to his core.

I think this is the most accurate perspective. She would not give up on him if it wasn't done this way.

What I don't get is that alot of people keep bringing back the secret will not kill her. It's not just about her. Say Lex finds a way to get it out of her, but she lives. Lex could easily put Clark, Martha and Chloe all in danger over this. None of them would be safe, so this way, they are all safe.

[voytek]

Originally posted by All about Clark
I think this is the most accurate perspective. She would not give up on him if it wasn't done this way.

What I don't get is that alot of people keep bringing back the secret will not kill her. It's not just about her. Say Lex finds a way to get it out of her, but she lives. Lex could easily put Clark, Martha and Chloe all in danger over this. None of them would be safe, so this way, they are all safe.


If a drunken Lex was smart enough to figure out that Lana knew the secret, am I supposed to believe that sober Lex doesn't strongly suspect that Martha and Chloe know? Is he going after them? Nope. All the writers had to do was have Clark tell Lana and pen a few episodes with her struggling with it and then accident, partial amnesia or coma. That way Clana fans get some pay-off to a five season build up and not feel cheated.


I get that they had to break them up, but it's totally out of character for him to be that cruel to her? Telling her that he doesn't love her made no sense. I bet the guy who runs the laundromat knows Clark loves Lana. He could have handled it a 1000 ways. Here's one:

"Lana, I'm not happy with our relationship and I want to break up."

No. He hit her with a sledgehammer. Then he looked dumbfounded when Martha said his actions might make her hate him. Well duh! Lana knows fool well Clark loves her. You can't fake the depth of feelings they have shown one another. She knows it was yet another lie. Lana might be many things, but she's not stupid. I know Lana haters will disagree. But you don't spend that much time with someone and not know when they are lying. She can read him now. She ended it because she was pissed and fed up with his pathetic lies. I am 100% sure she didn't buy his excuse.

I am totally indifferent to Clark now. I did not recognize him tonight. For a superior being--he's very slow! And to the writers: if this was your idea of Clana closure--don't spit on my cupcake and call it frosting!

[vyperman7]

I personally liked the way they handled it. It would have been boring and lame to have Clark pull another "Lana I will always love you, but I can't keep hurting you. No matter how much I love you, we can't keep doing this to each other" Blah, blah, blah...

They need something like they gave us to finally end things for good and get the story moving in the direction that it needs to be going in.

What I find funny about this is that so many people who ship Clana defended the Reckoning reveal saying that they cut it short to give us a preview of what's to come. Then we are shown that Clark would rather lie to Lana, then expose his secret. Let's face it, the reveal in Reckoning is all we are going to get.

[FotW]

The argument that Clark can't tell Lana because she will somehow be killed, doesn't hold water IMO. Martha, Pete and Chloe know his secret and they are alive and well. Lana's death in "Reckoning" was more Jor-El's doing than Clark or Lex's fault. In my opinion her death in that episode had nothing to do with Clark's secret. Someone had to die because Jor-El had decided it and Lana just a random choice.
And tellng Lana doesn't put her in greater danger from Lex either. He isn't going to torture Lana in his dungeon over Clark's secret - he likes Lana more than Chloe or Martha and he hasn't even tortured them yet. And Lex probably assumes from the events in "Arrival" that Chloe knows Clark's secrets, and it's obvious that Martha would know. And if it came down to it, is Clark powerless against Lex? Can't he protect the love of his life from Lex? Is Lex's going to send his powerful security team to attack Clark and Lana? Of course not. It's just silly.
I agree with the posters who said that if Clark had to break up with Lana he could have said something else a little less cruel. I mean we are supposed to feel bad for (identify) with Clark since he's the hero and heart of the story, but time and time again he lies and acts stupid. He could have said anything like....
1)"I can't be in a romantic relationship now...(for various reasons)
2)" I can't ever be who you need/want me to be" (which is the truth)
4) "You are too needy "( oh wait that's kind of mean but still the truth :lol: )
3)"My secret is, I'm gay" (sorry I couldn' resist) :lol:

But in the end, it seems to me TPTB are more concerned with having Lana fall for Lex - than with the Clana love they have built up for 5 years, or with Clark showing compassion. Clark had to make Lana angry and heartbroken so she would (of course) run to Lex's sexy arms.
Now Lana and Lex can start a " Deeply Bitter Ex-Friends/Lovers of Clark Kent Club". They can bond over the pretty- but-secretive farm boy who broke their hearts. :lol:


Originally posted by vyperman7
I personally liked the way they handled it. It would have been boring and lame to have Clark pull another "Lana I will always love you, but I can't keep hurting you. No matter how much I love you, we can't keep doing this to each other" Blah, blah, blah...

But he did say almost word for word, only to Chloe about Lana. :lol:



Originally posted by voytek

I don't have amesia and I remember the last five seasons. Clark has been all about Lana. And even when she was with other guys, it was clear she really wanted to be with Clark. I can't stand how they are writing Clark. They are making him deliberately obtuse. I can't stand him now. Clark is a lying, insensitive jerk. He couldn't even break up with her right.

[thmallville]

I know what everyone means! He completely crushed her and LIED to her -again!- just so he wouldn't have to continue lying to her. I hate to break it to you Clark, but if you don't tell her your frickin secret like a good boy, you're always gonna have to lie to her.
And I still dont' get why he broke up with her, and why he did the way he did. He loves her so much, and she loves him too, and they were finally back together, and then he just breaks it off. (?)

[smallvilleobsessor17]

If Clana had to end at all, I expectd that Lana would be the one to break it off. But Clark did, and he was a completely insensitive idiot!

[Smallville619]

It was Selfless, somewhere in Clarks Heart and Mind he knows that Lana can never know his secret becuase of the Ramifications of 'Reckoning' and the affects to Lana of the first Meteor Crash.

This has happened in the Movie 'Spiderman 2', PP tells MJ that he dosent love her he was acting selfless to protect her, hell its even Happened in Harry Potter in HBP Harry Breaks up with Ginny becuase of the threat of Voldermort and the fact that he wants to protect her from everything.

Moving on, i think Lana has every right to be angry but she dosent even let Clark justify his actions (the comments i think were i don't want another ''Clark Kent'' Apology, if you love someone that much and you wanna break up you must justify why and that is what Clark tried to do.


From a personal point ive been dumped by 2 girls in more heartbreaking ways than this one by TXT for god sakes and the other just kept taking my heart and stabbing at it by dumping me without a reason so.

One more Point is Lana seems to do the same thing every time to Clark split with him go with another guy:

Season 3 splits with Clark and goes out with the Guy in Magnetic, Clark gets his heart broken (not his Fault no Red K, NO HYPNOSISI), Clark attempts to go out with Alicia, Lana get p'd.

Season 4: Same again they been apart, she goes out with Jason, once Again Breaking his Heart, he attempts to have one Relationship once again with Alicia (no outer force controlling Clark in Praiah) and what happens once again Lana takes it badly and completely ignores Clark and the girl dies for god sake.

Since Season 1 the Clark/Chloe/Lana triangle seems to reoccur
, Season 3 it is mentioned, Season 5 Lana knows Clarks being more honest with Chloe than her) but now Lex enters making this really a fued between a couple of Lana/Lex v Friends who have shared a secret Clark and Chloe.


THANK GOD CLANA IS OVER!!!!

Bring on Clark and Lois/Chloe v Lex and Lana

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by smallvilleobsessor17
If Clana had to end at all, I expectd that Lana would be the one to break it off. But Clark did, and he was a completely insensitive idiot!
Agreed, the kids are out of school and are supposed to be maturing. Clark himself has grown from a little acorn into a complete nut. That's growth?(heavy sarcasm)

[pags3223]

I agree that it was necessary the way he did it. He needed to make a complete break. He also knew that if he didn't make it sound definitive, that Lana would continue to try and work on the relationship. In many ways, Lana did this to herself because despite all the *****ing she has done about Clark's lies, she stuck around. Clark, knowing this, needed to give her reason, in no uncertain terms, to walk away. Was it harsh? Yeah, but it had to be.

I've broken up with people a couple times in my life and I can tell that when you really care for the person there is NO good way to end it. It ALWAYS feels harsh, on both sides.

[lexs&os]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I personally liked the way they handled it. It would have been boring and lame to have Clark pull another "Lana I will always love you, but I can't keep hurting you. No matter how much I love you, we can't keep doing this to each other" Blah, blah, blah...

They need something like they gave us to finally end things for good and get the story moving in the direction that it needs to be going in.

What I find funny about this is that so many people who ship Clana defended the Reckoning reveal saying that they cut it short to give us a preview of what's to come. Then we are shown that Clark would rather lie to Lana, then expose his secret. Let's face it, the reveal in Reckoning is all we are going to get.

Yup. I liked how it was handled too, yes, it stings - but it needed to. A lie, yes, but it was direct, to the point and knowing how he really cares for her - it took a lot for him to do - please, even in her conversation with Lex about the break-up she was still grasping onto the possibilty of Clark lying about it (his feelings changing and not loving her - almost trying to convince her self that it wasn't over and he was just being secretive Clark or hypnotized Clark). It was very important for him to be the one to break things off and in a way that Lana won't keep prying and trying and throwing out "I'll wait for you..." type lines. Even if he told her about his powers and break it off, she would still press and he would still give in and he wouldn't move forward with his destiny as he needs to - he'd take his time, after all, what would the rush be?

I do also agree with some of the posts that Martha is somewhat right and somewhere inside, he's coming to terms that "she's not the one..." which I dislike that phrase anyway, but point being - he needs to grow up and maybe is realizing that's the case - and I somewhat got that feeling with his facial expression when she said that - it was an; "it's-possible-you-may-be-right-even-though-I-love-her" look.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by pags3223
I agree that it was necessary the way he did it. He needed to make a complete break. He also knew that if he didn't make it sound definitive, that Lana would continue to try and work on the relationship. In many ways, Lana did this to herself because despite all the *****ing she has done about Clark's lies, she stuck around. Clark, knowing this, needed to give her reason, in no uncertain terms, to walk away. Was it harsh? Yeah, but it had to be.

I've broken up with people a couple times in my life and I can tell that when you really care for the person there is NO good way to end it. It ALWAYS feels harsh, on both sides.

Your post puts it really into perspective. It was harsh and it did hurt Lana and it's hard, but in the end that's how it has to be.

[Watching Smallville]

I agree with the posts above. To me it was very realistic . Clark made a choice not to tell Lana the truth -- we can argue over whether that choice made sense or not -- but that was the decision he made. Given that decision, he should have broken them up rather than continue their painful relationship. Lana wasn't going to give up on him. She said that last night. I'll wait as long as it takes. I really liked the Lana they portrayed last night, and I felt how much she hurt. But if she wasn't going to give up, there was nothing else Clark could do to make sure they were truly broken up. It was harsh -- you can call it mean -- but it was necessary, and it showed some strength of character on Clark's part.

[mobiusklein]

She has the right to be very angry with him but if she decides to figuratively "slash his tires" to get back at him then she's in the wrong. She needs to eat some ice cream, cry her little heart out and deal with being a single girl but I know that's not going to happen.

[pags3223]

Originally posted by mobiusklein
She has the right to be very angry with him but if she decides to figuratively "slash his tires" to get back at him then she's in the wrong. She needs to eat some ice cream, cry her little heart out and deal with being a single girl but I know that's not going to happen.

I completely agree. When Martha talked about Lana having reason to hate Clark (which is true) but then using it to do something they would all regret troubled me a little. Lana has every reason to hold a grudge and never speak to Clark. However, to deliberately act against him in any way would be wrong, and is more a reflection of Lana's character than what Clark did.

[Watching Smallville]

I was suprised when Martha said that. It says something about her opinion of Lana, something we haven't ever really seen before from her -- that she thinks Lana is vindictive. To me, that kind of came out of the blue. Or maybe she didn't mean vindictive, maybe she just meant unwise. Still I thought it was a surprising comment.

[Viking415]

personally, i think she asked for it. if someone is trying to break up with you in a nice way, and then you force them to say they dont love you, then youre asking for it. even if clark did still have feelings for her (not saying that he doesnt), if he said he did, then i think lana would be sadder about the act that he for some reason he doesnt want to be with her even though he still loves her.

about martha, i dont know why she said the part about lana doing something they would all regret. if lana cant take being broken up with, then she shouldt get into relationships. part of what makes you mature is being able to deal with the truth, no matter what the situation.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by pags3223
I completely agree. When Martha talked about Lana having reason to hate Clark (which is true) but then using it to do something they would all regret troubled me a little. Lana has every reason to hold a grudge and never speak to Clark. However, to deliberately act against him in any way would be wrong, and is more a reflection of Lana's character than what Clark did.

I don't think that Lana is going to intentionally try to take Clark down, but her getting close to Lex will unintentionally hurt Clark because Lex will probably try to use her for information that she might have on Clark and he will also use her as a weapon against Clark. That is probably how Lana will hurt Clark. And Lex might even try to work on her to turn completely against Clark by using that serum.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by myankskent
I don't think that Lana is going to intentionally try to take Clark down, but her getting close to Lex will unintentionally hurt Clark because Lex will probably try to use her for information that she might have on Clark and he will also use her as a weapon against Clark. That is probably how Lana will hurt Clark. And Lex might even try to work on her to turn completely against Clark by using that serum.

Maybe she will get repossesed by Isobel and kick Clarks butt clear across the continet. :D

I think that she and Lex will get together just to bug Clark for awhile. :D

[attitudejc]

somehow i don't see that happening.:p

[Happy Random]

dang...

You know what would be cool is to see a Kal-El(not Clark)/Isobel fight. :D



She has the right to be very angry with him but if she decides to figuratively "slash his tires" to get back at him then she's in the wrong. She needs to eat some ice cream, cry her little heart out and deal with being a single girl but I know that's not going to happen.

Maybe if she makes sure the ice cream is chocolate.... ;)

I agree though, she has every right to be furious at him and call him every dirty name in the book but I hope that she doesn't do something stupid to get back and Clark for his stupidity. :)

[Platinum9703]

Kal-El > Isobel

[puddinpiester]

It was a bit harsh. Lana is hurting profoundly. She will cry. She may do something to hurt Clark either intentionally or unintentionally. But, she has a chance of coming to grips with her sadness. She can choose to accept the break-up and on get on with her life, like Clark told Chole she deserves to do. She may wonder why for a long time, but that question will grow unimportant with time. However, Clark knows the truth. He knows that he still loves her very much. He knows he is responsible for their ultimate break-up. He knows he caused her much pain. He has to live with the lingering questions, "Did I do the right thing?" or "What could have been?" or "Will she be OK? Finally safe?" He also knows that she would have accepted him and his secret. It's really gonna be difficult for him, knowing all this, to "get on" with his life. And when Lana hooks up with Lex, Clark not only will be jealous, but he will, and rightfully so, fear for her safety. I actually think that Lana may have the easier road ahead, of the two. Clark is hurting. But, doesn't have hate to help him get over it all, like Lana. Hate can expand to fill a pretty big void. Hopefully, Lana will go through the grieving process smoothly and overcome her pain and her hate; something tells me that will NOT be the case. My heart hurts for the both of them.

[Fly by guy]

But puddinpiester, hate can be consuming and unsatisfying. Ask someone who brokeup or divorced if they ever really got over the "hate". You don't hate the person but how it made you feel and revenge begins its strong pull.
If Clark wants it to be over, then stay the hell away from Lana. If you think Lana's road is easier because she has Lex, then Clark has a better, stronger friend in Chloe and a mother who cares, tho last night I hated her help. If Clark loves her he should have worked for her love and if he wants her to move on, then let her hit the road. Love can be blind and Lana got blindsided, again.

[Miss L]

My opinion:

Over the last 4 episodes, it seemed like they were breaking up, but never quite did. I know from my own 19-year-old experience (and some of my friends' experiences at that age) that with a "I still love you but..." break-up, the "I still love you..." keeps you coming back for more and you can't let go. Clark really couldn't say how he really felt. Lana wouldn't take that seriously. Harsh, yes, but it will propel them both forward.

Lana and Lex: Lana has a whole different perspective on Lex than Clark and Chloe do. She has a relationship with him. He's been nice to her in many ways and even though he's done some things she sees as questionable, she does not recognize the evil in him. She trusts him. If Clark were to tell her his secret, and also tell her about the evil Lex, she would have to take a lot of time to absorb that and then make her own judgment of Lex. In the meantime, she may betray Clark, or be manipulated by Lex to betray Clark, or just be caught between them in a really uncomfortable way.

It's the nature of her relationship to Clark and Lex that puts her in the position to be in danger. And I am not talking about the car accident. I believe the car accident had absolutely nothing to do with the whole "she knows and is in danger" thing. It's about Lex and what's in Lex's head.

I get Clark. I get why he worries about Lana at the hands of Lex. I get why he had to break it off in such a final way. When Lana called him before she got creamed by the bus, it made Clark scared that she would be in a difficult, vulnerable, and unpredictable position with that information.

I also believe that he realizes, deep down, he may not be able to trust her with the secret given her weakness for Lex.

Rant over.

[puddinpiester]

Fly by guy, you are right that hate can and usually is all consuming. Hate can last a lifetime. I've some experience in this area. I also know that hate can drive you to be better than the person who caused you to hate. I am not advocating hate as a good thing. It is not. But it is something to fill a void. For me, emptiness is tougher to deal with than hate. Clark appears t be pretty empty to me right now. Two of the people he loved the most are out of his life. For good as far as he knows.

The trouble is that Clark does not want it to be over between him and Lana. He just feels he has no choice.

No, that she has Lex is not why I think her road will be easier. I think the truth will eat at Clark a longer time and will gnaw at him more deeply than Lana's hate. Hate is pretty palpable for some people. And as such, might be easier to address. Lana doesn't have to deal with the what ifs and the what could have beens. Clark spared her those wounds. Regret can be more incapacitaing than hate because you're always thinking in the rear rather than into the future. Can't see a future if you keep looking back.

Guess I getting too involved with fictional characters. Tender spot for me.

[tinkerbelladt]

even though i do not like the whole clana relationship i do believe it was a bit harsh for clark to dump lana the way he did but it was necesary.. i didtn even realize their relationship was still going on after reckoning.. so this epi made me understand but yea.. their relationsihp was doomed to fail if he wasnt ever going to tell her but yea it was harsh the way he did it.. i do agree marthas comment was very interesting..

[CLS]

I see it now;
2012, Superman comes to the forefront as the lead protector of Metropolis and Earth.

Few months later comes the tell all book SUPERDICK! The not so nice truth about the Man of Steel by Lana Lang.

Published by Lexcorp books!

-cs™

[shinedown]

marthas comment was basically saying, now that lanas all pissed of at you she's going to go do something "we" will regret. not only clark but the people around lana as well. as usual clark didnt realize his actions have consequences and he did this w/o thinking anything through

[vikingjedi]

Originally posted by Happy Random
Is any body else ticked about the way that they ended the Clana?!? I mean I have gripped about the Clana and have been kind of waiting for it to end, but Clark was just a butt!! I mean how could he do that to her?!? I like Lana as a character and that was just the most awful way that they could have ended her relationship with Clark. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:Please post your opinions. *Happy Random goes off into room with punching bag to cool off*

Completely agree.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by puddinpiester
It was a bit harsh. Lana is hurting profoundly. She will cry. She may do something to hurt Clark either intentionally or unintentionally. But, she has a chance of coming to grips with her sadness. She can choose to accept the break-up and on get on with her life, like Clark told Chole she deserves to do. She may wonder why for a long time, but that question will grow unimportant with time. However, Clark knows the truth. He knows that he still loves her very much. He knows he is responsible for their ultimate break-up. He knows he caused her much pain. He has to live with the lingering questions, "Did I do the right thing?" or "What could have been?" or "Will she be OK? Finally safe?" He also knows that she would have accepted him and his secret. It's really gonna be difficult for him, knowing all this, to "get on" with his life. And when Lana hooks up with Lex, Clark not only will be jealous, but he will, and rightfully so, fear for her safety. I actually think that Lana may have the easier road ahead, of the two. Clark is hurting. But, doesn't have hate to help him get over it all, like Lana. Hate can expand to fill a pretty big void. Hopefully, Lana will go through the grieving process smoothly and overcome her pain and her hate; something tells me that will NOT be the case. My heart hurts for the both of them.

This was really nicely said. It is what it had to be, but sad for both.

[j-kent]

OHHH WELL...

we all know and should expect Smallville writes up some pretty dramatic twisty ends to the way of the superman (or superboy) mythology.


In the more upside mythology of the comics, I believe Lana finds out or Clark tells her his secret, maybe both...and they mutually end their relationship as they split different paths in life. Lana always loved Clark, at least for quite some time, but always protected his secret.


I believe Martha would be right in saying that Clark knew Lana just wasn't the one. Even though there were lies with Clark that were truly apparent. I think Clark realized her prying of his secrets gave her a whole side he didn't like. With all friends of Clark, they know he has many mysteries...such as Chloe...yet she said in the premier of the season that she figured Clark would "tell her when he's ready".

Although Clark's logic is a bit hazy, it's there. This forcefulness of his secrets that Lana has is something close to Lex's habits. Maybe Lana is more justified to be that way because she's his girlfriend, but still Clark is going to feel how he wants, and would probably only tell Lana his secret when he's ready- which is never in Smallville- because he knows Lana is not the one...:\

[SmallvilleFan2001]

100% agree with you on the writing staff j-kent. It seems like the whole writing staff has gone off the deep end with the Clana relationship. The show was better when they stayed closer to the upbeat mythology of the comics. According to the mythos Clark and Lana are a couple of small town kids from Kansas who will always have feelings for each other.

I hope TIIC get back on topic and off their own agneda. The relationship will not be over until Lana finds out Clarks secret, tells him she understands why he hides it, and realizes he is not her's to have.

[abrazz1e]

maybe if Clark was a little smarter and told her about Lex seting her and the Kents up in Mortal to test him or about the clark room or about what Lex did to AC She won't go to Lex anymore.
I have actually never thought about this, but this is indisputably an excellent point. Clark definitely should have let Lana know (preferably early in the season) that Lex was the one who orchestrated what happened in "Mortal". I don't feel their is any legitimate reason for him to NOT have told her.

[Raistlin]

Agreed, the kids are out of school and are supposed to be maturing. Clark himself has grown from a little acorn into a complete nut. That's growth?(heavy sarcasm)

:rotfl:

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I completely agree. When Martha talked about Lana having reason to hate Clark (which is true) but then using it to do something they would all regret troubled me a little. Lana has every reason to hold a grudge and never speak to Clark. However, to deliberately act against him in any way would be wrong, and is more a reflection of Lana's character than what Clark did.

Who died and made Martha Cassandra? She talks out of her butt more than anybody on this show. Lana would not deliberately act against Clark.

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She has the right to be very angry with him but if she decides to figuratively "slash his tires" to get back at him then she's in the wrong. She needs to eat some ice cream, cry her little heart out and deal with being a single girl but I know that's not going to happen.

Not with Lex circling like a vulture. Lex has been actively undermining Clark and Lana since the season started. Simone was his last ditch effort.