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djpnutz
03-30-2006, 07:49 PM
Man... that friggen sucks... she convinces herself she's in love with him... and then she really does fall for him... but he has all the control in the relationship because he doesn't tell the truth...
She even said that she's willing to wait... but I guess it wasn't good enough for CK... I know that CK has his own problems.. but he handles his relationships like a little kid that thinks that a relationship isn't supposed to have any kind of hardships.
SlickBlonde
03-30-2006, 07:52 PM
I feel really bad for her too, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder if he really should have done things differently. Especially after Marthas statement that he may know shes not the one, and his obvious lack of opposition to that statement
cotton candy girl
03-30-2006, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by djpnutz
Man... that friggen sucks... she convinces herself she's in love with him... and then she really does fall for him... but he has all the control in the relationship because he doesn't tell the truth...
She even said that she's willing to wait... but I guess it wasn't good enough for CK... I know that CK has his own problems.. but he handles his relationships like a little kid that thinks that a relationship isn't supposed to have any kind of hardships.
I agree. What a way to break up with her. Look her in the eye and lie to her again.
amberdawn
03-30-2006, 07:53 PM
Yeah, she might of been even more hurt if it kept going on for a long time.
djpnutz
03-30-2006, 07:55 PM
This kinda shows how much writers carea bout Lana's character... it's like... just another SMALL piece to the smallville world... even though they try and emphasize the hell outta the love story... I wish they had some depth in the characters than what's given to us.
thehenry89
03-30-2006, 07:55 PM
i think what he did was right i mean you always have a feeling for your first love but if there not he one and you know it then its wrong to keep them around and lead them on and it's wrong to lie to yourself.
myankskent
03-30-2006, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by djpnutz
Man... that friggen sucks... she convinces herself she's in love with him... and then she really does fall for him... but he has all the control in the relationship because he doesn't tell the truth...
She even said that she's willing to wait... but I guess it wasn't good enough for CK... I know that CK has his own problems.. but he handles his relationships like a little kid that thinks that a relationship isn't supposed to have any kind of hardships.
All it does is show you who the real fool is in this show and it certainly isn't Lana. It is Clark. Lana showed her ability to wait and not pressure Clark, something many people on these boards criticize her of doing. But that is not accurate and today's episode is proof of it once and for all.
Well, I don't know... I have to admit that the opening of the show confused me. Didn't they kind of break up the last we saw them? And now she's laughing about his dancing and telling him she'll wait? What happened to the "I hate your secrets, Clark?"
I feel like the writers stuck all that in there to make us sympathize for Lana more. Like -- 'oh, she's a great girlfriend. Look what Clark does to her. Watch her break down and cry."
I'm not saying he's justified... I'm just saying that their relationship is kind of schitzo.
myankskent
03-30-2006, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by eas
Well, I don't know... I have to admit that the opening of the show confused me. Didn't they kind of break up the last we saw them? And now she's laughing about his dancing and telling him she'll wait? What happened to the "I hate your secrets, Clark?"
I feel like the writers stuck all that in there to make us sympathize for Lana more. Like -- 'oh, she's a great girlfriend. Look what Clark does to her. Watch her break down and cry."
I'm not saying he's justified... I'm just saying that their relationship is kind of schitzo.
Even though you have a point, the writers did it to show that Clark was the fool who couldn't make up his mind and he took Lana along for the ride. He said it himself, he was too afraid to end it, so he ended up lying again to make it easier for himself and not have to confront his real feelings for Lana, which is that he loves her. He figures if she ends up hating him than it would be easier for him to fall out of love with her.
Aloof
03-30-2006, 08:02 PM
I do feel bad for Lana. But it's NOT love.
I don't feel sorry for her, she's gonna hook up with Lex now. *grumble grumble*
shaula luthor
03-30-2006, 08:06 PM
I donŽt fell sorry for her, but for Clark.
SheŽll be with Lex now... SheŽs doesnŽt feel so bad, anyway
SlickBlonde
03-30-2006, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by djpnutz
Man... that friggen sucks... she convinces herself she's in love with him... and then she really does fall for him... but he has all the control in the relationship because he doesn't tell the truth...
She even said that she's willing to wait... but I guess it wasn't good enough for CK... I know that CK has his own problems.. but he handles his relationships like a little kid that thinks that a relationship isn't supposed to have any kind of hardships.
Well I think what he said to his mom was his bottom line. He could either lie to her, becasue she wouldn't let him break up with her if he admitted he still loved her, or tell her his secret.
If he told her he still loved her, her next question would be then why can't we be together. Which leads to him having to tell her his secret, or just breaking up with her for seemingly no reason which would drive her crazy and also still pining for him, neither of which he wants.
SO I honestly dont blame him. I question to some extent him not telling her the secrest, but if he has his reasons he has his reasons. And like Martha said and like he didn't exactly deny, deep down he knows she's not the one
Originally posted by myankskent
Even though you have a point, the writers did it to show that Clark was the fool who couldn't make up his mind and he took Lana along for the ride. He said it himself, he was too afraid to end it, so he ended up lying again to make it easier for himself and not have to confront his real feelings for Lana, which is that he loves her. He figures if she ends up hating him than it would be easier for him to fall out of love with her.
I disagree, I seriously doubt he thinks her hating him will make him fall out of love with her. But the milestone here, which I think we owe Clark some credit for is comming to terms with the fact that he can't make up his mind or take her along for the ride anymore.
cotton candy girl
03-30-2006, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Aloof
I do feel bad for Lana. But it's NOT love.
The break-up doesn't mean it's not love. She's not the one he will marry, but that doesn't mean he doesn't love her.
Originally posted by myankskent
Even though you have a point, the writers did it to show that Clark was the fool who couldn't make up his mind and he took Lana along for the ride. He said it himself, he was too afraid to end it, so he ended up lying again to make it easier for himself and not have to confront his real feelings for Lana, which is that he loves her. He figures if she ends up hating him than it would be easier for him to fall out of love with her.
Yeah, I agree with you. Clark's a weirdo and has no business being in a relationship with anyone. What he did was totally wrong and shows that he's really immature.
But, I think that Lana has also done questionable things in the past and has shown an impatience with him throughout their relationship. So, for her to be so caring and patient w/ him ... waiting for him. It just didn't feel right to me. It didn't really seem like the Lana that we've seen for the past five years.
myankskent
03-30-2006, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by shaula luthor
I donŽt fell sorry for her, but for Clark.
SheŽll be with Lex now... SheŽs doesnŽt feel so bad, anyway
Why would anyone feel bad for Clark right now? I mean really, if he grew a pair then he could set the record straight. Instead, he runs away like a coward. If this episode showed me anything, it showed me that.
kryptohag
03-30-2006, 08:11 PM
Poor girl!! She finally, and I mean finally, opens her heart to him. And for what? So she can get her heart ripped out and served on a platter. I would be so freakin pissed, if I was her!
There are all different kinds of loves.
Ironic that Lana ended up being the kind of girl Chloe mentioned in her letter in 'Fever' The kind you grow out of.
I'm just eagerly waiting for the one he's going to grow into.
cotton candy girl
03-30-2006, 08:12 PM
You sure? You want them to mess up the Clois relationship too? Ugh. Like I've said already, you know they'll probably throw in a triangle, and probably make poor Chloe pine again.
I don't think they messed up Clana, except they carried it on way too long.
They've handled Clois perfectly IMHO so far. I think they're chemistry is amazing, and she's pitch perfect. But I'm fine for it to not happen tomorrow.
I like how they've handled Chloe lately, too. Even AM in her interviews said Chloe is more grown up, self assured and stronger. I think she'll make it through just fine. ;)
myankskent
03-30-2006, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by eas
Yeah, I agree with you. Clark's a weirdo and has no business being in a relationship with anyone. What he did was totally wrong and shows that he's really immature.
But, I think that Lana has also done questionable things in the past and has shown an impatience with him throughout their relationship. So, for her to be so caring and patient w/ him ... waiting for him. It just didn't feel right to me. It didn't really seem like the Lana that we've seen for the past five years.
Yeah, look I agree, but I think from a writer's standpoint, they are really trying to say that it was Clark indecision that provided the roller coaster type of relationship that they had, not the fact that Lana continually pushed Clark. If that was the problem, then Clark would say it's the problem but he's always blamed himself for not being honest with Lana and he should. Unfortunately, he just threw 5 years down the toilet. If he only made that decision 5 years ago he would've saved himself and Lana a lot of trouble. So much for Clark maturing this season.
cotton candy girl
03-30-2006, 08:15 PM
I think they did mess up Clana, but anyway, I have no faith in them and the Clois relationship. Friendship...yes.
Aloof
03-30-2006, 08:16 PM
I enjoy Chlark and Clois. Either one is fine with me. :)
puddinpiester
03-30-2006, 08:37 PM
"Mo more lies; no more secrets." I know I've heard that somewhere. But where? I put on my thinking cap and scrunch up my face and roll my eyes.....hoping to get a glimpse of a remote memory where I might have heard those words.....Still thinking.....Still....
This is the first time I do not like Clark. He must sleep on the couch tonight. Such a hokey lame excuse for a superhero.
kryptohag
03-30-2006, 08:40 PM
That quote was on episode 1 (at the end with Clana at the hospital) and 2 (out in the field) of this season.
red-K glory
03-30-2006, 08:45 PM
well, as much as I do not really like Lana all that much anymore, I have to admit that I really did feel sorry for her. Clark really did break her heart and for the first time in a long time I really do feel sorry for her but I am also glad that they broke it off.
MBCorp
03-30-2006, 08:48 PM
I didn't feel sorry for Lana because I'm just so tired of the whole Clana rollercoaster and of all of the angst and soap opera drama and the impending doom that is Lexana that I have trouble sympathizing with any of the characters involved. It's just, okay, this is like the 100th time you guys have broken up. Cry me a river, Lana, cry me a river.:p
LuckyKrypto
03-30-2006, 08:50 PM
I saw this thread and have to say I am not surprised by my boy Clark. Leave it to him to really think things through :\
I haven't been a big fan of late of the 'Clana', but I like Lana. I felt really bad for the way things ended with them tonight. The only thing that helped at all was the conversation at the end with his Mom when she points out to him that part of the reason things went the way they did was because maybe she wasn't the one. (I am sure that is suppose to make me happy since I love the clois), but she made a good point when she told him that he gave her a reason to hate him.
I know there is no such thing as a good breakup, but I always thought Lana and Clark would still be friends when their relationship ended. (And maybe they will be at some point, I guess we'll have to wait and see )
Yeah. At the end of Reckoning she said she they needed a break, and then now all the sudden it's a big shocker that they're splitsville? Please.
Their days have been numbered for years, I don't know why everyone is in such shock. It was so obviously a doomed relationship from the start.
As far as this dignified break up everyone thinks they deserve... Weren't we served that up in Reckoning? Haven't we seen them do the slow motion "it's over" walk out of the barn thousands of times?
Was it the "I don't love you" that made it so harsh? Did she not ask him to say that?
Was it Martha's knowing "maybe she's not 'the one'" bit that did everyone in.
As I said, I don't recall ever experiencing a pleasant or 'dignified' break up. They are hard, sad, hurtful, and unpleasant. You say mean things, and you cry. But one day, you'll wake up and move on and look back on it as a stepping stone in your life. Yes, he loved her, but she is not the love of his life. She is not the one. And I guess it's sad to have that said so bluntly.
SlickBlonde
03-30-2006, 08:55 PM
I second that
cotton candy girl
03-30-2006, 08:58 PM
The point is, that after years of waiting for these two to be together, they break them up like this? He has to lie to her face and tell her doesn't love her after lying to her for 5 years? Yes break-ups are hurtful, but so many of us agree that after years of waiting for them to finally be in a relationship for more than 2 episodes, I think some dignity is merited; some honesty is merited.
So is the main boiling point is that she never knew his secret?
I think it's a splitting hairs thing. I think he loves her. But I don't think he's in love with her.
I think his mom hit the nail on the head when she said he's been holding back for a reason. He has a lot more to worry about with life then just his girlfriend. His destiny is much greater than most. I think he has been burdened for sometime by his feelings and worries about Lana. I think he had to end it to be able to find peace. It just got to hard, and loving someone shouldn't be that much work.
EDIT--Holy disappearing posts Batman! Where'd you go CCG?
Patch123
03-30-2006, 09:04 PM
well, i think that it sucks that their over ... cuz i dont want lana n lex to hook up... lex is a lier n wanted to hook up wit lana even before they broke up... so i hope clark n lana will hook bak up i know yall want them to end but i just like them when they r together?? does any body think they will hook bak up or is it just me???? answer pleaseeeeee
LuckyKrypto
03-30-2006, 09:04 PM
To me it's not that this breakup is a shocker, it's just the whole let me give her a reason to hate me now. It seems like he can't just let her go, he still needs to some how be a part of her life :\ in a sick twisted kind of way
Zungas
03-30-2006, 09:05 PM
Lana has been screwed over way too much in her life.
cotton candy girl
03-30-2006, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by ferd
So is the main boiling point is that she never knew his secret?
I think it's a splitting hairs thing. I think he loves her. But I don't think he's in love with her.
I think his mom hit the nail on the head when she said he's been holding back for a reason. He has a lot more to worry about with life then just his girlfriend. His destiny is much greater than most. I think he has been burdened for sometime by his feelings and worries about Lana. I think he had to end it to be able to find peace. It just got to hard, and loving someone shouldn't be that much work.
EDIT--Holy disappearing posts Batman! Where'd you go CCG?
Sorry; I wasn't happy with what I wrote, Ferd, lol.
I'll repost:
For me, well not so much that. What makes me mad is that he looks her in the eye, knowing he still loves her, and lies to her. Why can't they both just realize that they're not right for each other? Why have him lie to her again in the break-up? And why have Lex involved with breakup at all?
I think she'll find out the secret anyway, and he'll come clean.
EDIT: I see your point.
I agree with you on the Lex bit. The triangle plotline REALLY bothers me.
And given how they've created Lex I so don't buy into that he would want Lana.
SlickBlonde
03-30-2006, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
To me it's not that this breakup is a shocker, it's just the whole let me give her a reason to hate me now. It seems like he can't just let her go, he still needs to some how be a part of her life :\ in a sick twisted kind of way
If he told her he still loved her, her next question would be then why can't we be together. Which leads to him having to tell her his secret, or just breaking up with her for seemingly no reason which would drive her crazy and still pining for him and not to mention STILL waiting for him to come around him, none of which he wants for. He wants her to be able to move on to someone who can give her what she wants and needs
I understand your pain. It hurts to love something so much and watch it painfully be dismantled. Trust me, I understand. :\
cotton candy girl
03-30-2006, 09:12 PM
I just want Clark and Lana to at least be friends, not have her hate him this way, but that's just me. Thanks for feeling my pain though *sniffles*. ;)
djpnutz
03-30-2006, 09:16 PM
If you love her let her go and lie to her... or TELL HER THE TRUTH YOU BIG IDIOT!
CK's pops died because of the whole Jor-el thing... don't you think he can like... tell her and she'll have a better chance of living without the worry of the big curse.
LuckyKrypto
03-30-2006, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by SlickBlonde
If he told her he still loved her, her next question would be then why can't we be together. Which leads to him having to tell her his secret, or just breaking up with her for seemingly no reason which would drive her crazy and still pining for him and not to mention STILL waiting for him to come around him, none of which he wants for. He wants her to be able to move on to someone who can give her what she wants and needs
I can understand this. But it doesn't mean I have to like it ;)
sari_chem
03-30-2006, 09:20 PM
My heart really went out to Lana tonight. First with the scene where she sees Clark and Simone, and at the end.
Clark breaks up with her...with yet another lie.
"I don't love you." Man, that was really bad. Something like that really crushes you. TRUST me.
sdogg1m
03-30-2006, 09:24 PM
Wow! I was upset at the beginning as it seemed as Clark and Lana were going strong after the gazillionth breakup but I immediately felt sorry for her after she caught Clark and Simone in the loft.
Also, why do the writers have to depict Clark as a twisted human being. They are perverting the good image of Superman
Kryptonian Snake
03-30-2006, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by MBCorp
I didn't feel sorry for Lana because I'm just so tired of the whole Clana rollercoaster and of all of the angst and soap opera drama and the impending doom that is Lexana that I have trouble sympathizing with any of the characters involved. It's just, okay, this is like the 100th time you guys have broken up. Cry me a river, Lana, cry me a river.:p
I pretty much agree with this. In the last few episodes, the relationship has been inconsistent and beyond redemption as far as the way in which it should end. First, Lana says they had their last fight in "Recknoning. Then, in "Tomb", they're still a couple, but the look in Clark's eyes when he sees her suggests his feelings about her are changing. In "Cyborg", again, the way Clark interacts with Lana suggests his feelings are changing. Suddenly, at the beginning of this episode, they're happy and laughing, and Clark breaks things off to spare Lana more pain? Did I miss something?
It would have been better if they really fleshed out Clark's changing feelings for Lana over the last few episodes so that his words this tonight would have been truthful. They could have shown us that the events of "Reckoning" knocked off Clark's "Lana blinders", resulting in a realization that he doesn't love her anymore.
Oh well. I just hope they keep the romance between these two dead and buried so the show can focus on something else.
SlickBlonde
03-30-2006, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
I can understand this. But it doesn't mean I have to like it ;)
Lol, Fair enough. I honestly don't like it either, i hate seeing him lie.
j_walk
03-30-2006, 10:15 PM
although i used to be a clana fan and still kinda hold tht flag, i have become a clois worshipper. but i felt so bad for lana when she cried...i mean come on, she has been trying so hard...i love clark but he is kinda a dick when it comes to this..( although maybe tht makes me like him more)
LOL... you like him more 'cuz he's mean to Lana? That's kind of funny.
I still think that she hasn't been trying all that hard... she dissed him quite a bit. I'm not saying he's perfect (and the whole 'I won't tell my girlfriend I'm an alien' is a whopper of a secret) but she hasn't been that great of a girlfriend to him, either.
I maintain: one scene at the talon of them talking and laughing does not equal healthy relationship.
Of course, it would have been nice if he had just said that. If he had said, "yeah, I love you... but this thing we've got... it's NOT healthy, Lana. Let's move on."
It would have set it up nicely for a Lana/Clark friendship then, maybe... but I guess Lexana is destined to be shoved down our throats.
CloisFan
03-30-2006, 10:26 PM
Yeah, well, if Lana didn't whine 24/7, he might've stuck with her thinking it's no big deal to lie a little...
Fly by guy
03-30-2006, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by eas
LOL... .
Of course, it would have been nice if he had just said that. If he had said, "yeah, I love you... but this thing we've got... it's NOT healthy, Lana. Let's move on."
It would have set it up nicely for a Lana/Clark friendship then, maybe... but I guess Lexana is destined to be shoved down our throats.
They started shoving back in Splinter when told Clark their could never be anything between her and Lex. She said she waited for Clark to grow up. Well Lex is grown and all be Lana w/blinders can see what he grew into. I've been a lana/kristin fan from day one and with Lexana, I'm going to jump ship and drown. I would rather see both Lana and Clark free. The Manificent Bastard will be why I watch or don't until something HUGE happens.
lanekent08
03-30-2006, 10:35 PM
I'm not a Clana shipper, on the contrary... I'm desperate for Clois to start, but I do care about Lana... and felt really sorry for her. It was too dramatic and hard... I don't understand SV writers.
Originally posted by CloisFan
Yeah, well, if Lana didn't whine 24/7, he might've stuck with her thinking it's no big deal to lie a little...
:lol:
I agree with you.
But considering what the Clana shippers have to go through today, I'm trying not to go there. I'm trying to cut them a little slack. It is not a good day to be a Clana fan. ;)
Even though I really don't like Lana (and hate Clana) I still feel that they were disrespectful to the Smallville audience b/c they took this relationship that's been a focal point of the plot for 5 years and just trashed it this season.
And tonight's episode was the part where they lit it on fire and toasted marshmallows over it. Seriously... they should have done better.
Besides -- the Clois fans know that Clark and Lois are destined to be together (even if not in Smallville) so it doesn't hurt as much for us.
LuckyKrypto
03-30-2006, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by eas
I still feel that they were disrespectful to the Smallville audience b/c they took this relationship that's been a focal point of the plot for 5 years and just trashed it this season.
That's very true--I have to agree
cotton candy girl
03-30-2006, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by eas
But considering what the Clana shippers have to go through today, I'm trying not to go there. I'm trying to cut them a little slack. It is not a good day to be a Clana fan. ;)
Even though I really don't like Lana (and hate Clana) I still feel that they were disrespectful to the Smallville audience b/c they took this relationship that's been a focal point of the plot for 5 years and just trashed it this season.
And tonight's episode was the part where they lit it on fire and toasted marshmallows over it. Seriously... they should have done better.
Besides -- the Clois fans know that Clark and Lois are destined to be together (even if not in Smallville) so it doesn't hurt as much for us.
Thanks for understanding. You are on point on this. What a way to finish us off. :\
Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Thanks for understanding. You are on point on this. What a way to finish us off. :\
No problem. :)
Next season, when AlMiles get their hands on the Clois ship and run that to the ground all of you Clana fans can help us get through the pain of it all. ;)
Fly by guy
03-31-2006, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by eas
No problem. :)
Next season, when AlMiles get their hands on the Clois ship and run that to the ground all of you Clana fans can help us get through the pain of it all. ;)
Clark is such a screwed up mess, it won't take long for that ship to take on water, right beside the Lexana ship. In a word,WHY?
Kris-El
03-31-2006, 07:33 AM
I cried right along with her! That was terribly sad, and Clark could have broken up with her in a much better way than that.
so sad...poor Lana.
superpal1
03-31-2006, 07:41 AM
The way they broke up was horrible and could have been handled better. however, not many first relationships end the best. This was Clarks first real relationship and he handled it immaturely, just like 90% of us did in our day. The only diss I could give is that in this season, they had them sleep together, then he sacrificed his father to save her life. Those two things alone should have had him think about the breakup more.
UpandAtom
03-31-2006, 08:13 AM
Well, Lana stayed with Clark after "Reckoning" because his father died but she also realized that whatever problems they have, they have a lifetime to work them out. It was Clark who realized that wants to spare Lana a lifetime of misery and do what's best for her, which is to break up.
Deana
03-31-2006, 08:35 AM
I still fail to care about Lana's feelings. On the other hand I could care less about Clark's too.
Clark of SV is OOC and this episode nails that point like a hammer.
myankskent
03-31-2006, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by Deana
I still fail to care about Lana's feelings. On the other hand I could care less about Clark's too.
Clark of SV is OOC and this episode nails that point like a hammer.
I totally agree. I guess this is why Smallville will continue, because Clark is nowhere near ready to grow up and become superman. He is making too many mistakes and hurting the ones he loves. The funny thing is that he doesn't want to hurt the people that he loves, so he hurts them anyway by lying to them all of the time to keep them "safe" from the burden of his secret. Clark should just drop everyone in his life if he is so worried about his friends and loved ones dying because they know the secret. The only person he seems to care about dying is Lana. He pushes her away totally so that he is not associated with her anymore and yet he has no problem pulling Chloe right into the fire with him. I don't care if she knows his secret, if he constantly hangs around her, it would make her the prime target if someone wanted to get the dirt on Clark. Plus, Chloe actually knows the secret so if she's drugged, she will be forced to tell. Clark's reasoning makes absolutely no sense to me. That's why this Clana breakup is so forced.
Watching Smallville
03-31-2006, 08:49 AM
I felt especially bad for Lana because I saw a new side of her last night. Despite what she said about needing a break and the way she looked more and more impatient with Clark, it was clear in this episode that she probably would never have given up on him. I had never believed that about her before.
I thought the breakup was harsh -- but I also thought it was the only way. If he wasn't going to tell her the truth, what else could he have done?
margroks
03-31-2006, 08:53 AM
That's not at all the case. Lana whines and gripes constantly, demands Clark's repeated declarations of undying love despite the fact that she constantly berates him for having secrets and not wanting to have sex and feels free to dump him (Reckoning although the writers can't seem to remember that they did break up) and still demand he say he loves her, never caring how she might be hurting him.
Suddenly, when Lana gets dumped, it's a tragedy or epic proportions and she never hesitates to run to Lex for comfort. Meomo to Lex: Lana will always cheat on her boyfriend if you give her time to feel under-worshipped. You don't have to do anything.
This was a pitiful episode in general but most disappointing not to see Clark dump Lana because he finally sees her for what she really is: selfish and unfaithful. Niow that would have been worth watching.
LuckyKrypto
03-31-2006, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I felt especially bad for Lana because I saw a new side of her last night. Despite what she said about needing a break and the way she looked more and more impatient with Clark, it was clear in this episode that she probably would never have given up on him. I had never believed that about her before.
I thought the breakup was harsh -- but I also thought it was the only way. If he wasn't going to tell her the truth, what else could he have done?
That is exactly how I felt. I have been pretty hard on Lana and the whole Clana relationship. But last night I totally saw her in a different light. I couldn't help but feel for her. That said, if Clark couldn't or wouldn't tell her his secret I guess how he ended it was the only way.
jimmyolsenblues
03-31-2006, 08:57 AM
I do not feel sorry for Lana.
In episode 100, Clark told Lana everything.
Lana left the Kent celebration to go comfort a drunken Lex.
She touched Lex with an engagement ring on her hand.
I am pretty sure the powers that be did this in episode 100 to easily remember than Lana is not for clark.
Clark told her everything and she still went to Lex.
I do not feel sorry for Lana.
margroks
03-31-2006, 09:20 AM
Yes. Lana ran to Lex even though she knew he was interested in her and she'd just agreed to marry Clark. She didn't go to him just to give comfort. Knowing what she did about Clark she should never have gone there at all. If she were really the loving fiance. This girl is shameless in wanting Lex as well as Clark. She doesn't deserve sympathy.
SnarkMasterJ
03-31-2006, 09:22 AM
Personally, I believe both of them are at fault, not one more than the other.
Clark lies. It's inexcusable. He's an alien and he doesn't feel like he can trust everyone to deal with that secret in the proper way (i.e. Phalen, all the FOTWs), granted, but he's not mature enough to handle sharing his secret with his girlfriends. At least that's not an unknown, it's obvious.
Lana whines. She doesn't like not knowing things about the people she's with, and understandably so. But once it's been proven that the person she wants to know "secrets" about isn't going to open up and stop lying, she should have enough ovaries to get herself out of that situation for good. She chooses to gripe and pine and rehash old offenses, and it's nauseating.
That being said, I do believe there was a better way for Clark to go about breaking things off, and likewise, a better way for Lana to handle the news. Clark should've just been honest about his feelings -- he still loves her, but their relationship isn't healthy and they're better off apart; Lana should've realized this herself from the beginning and, if he didn't say it, tell him that she can't handle being lied to anymore and they need to not be together. Neither of them did the right thing -- Clark lied and said he doesn't love her; Lana basically demanded his declaration of love as a contradiction to the problems in their relationship.
Clark lies to Lana, but Lana lies to herself. Neither of them are blameless and they're better off without each other.
Watching Smallville
03-31-2006, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
That being said, I do believe there was a better way for Clark to go about breaking things off, and likewise, a better way for Lana to handle the news. Clark should've just been honest about his feelings -- he still loves her, but their relationship isn't healthy and they're better off apart.
He tried that in Season 3, and it didn't work. They would have gotten back together eventually, unless he said what he said. He wanted a real break-up this time. And real break-ups are harsh.
jimmyolsenblues
03-31-2006, 09:27 AM
Clark lies
He did not lie in episode 100 and she left him for drunken lex.
SnarkMasterJ
03-31-2006, 09:40 AM
The point stands that Clark does lie. Maybe not all the time, but he does do it.
Originally posted by Watching Smallville
He tried that in Season 3, and it didn't work. They would have gotten back together eventually, unless he said what he said.
I don't believe that's true. Clark has never actually told her he loves her but he can't trust her, and they shouldn't be together because of it. Even in Season 3, he broke things off with her because of a lie.
Originally posted by Watching Smallville
He wanted a real break-up this time. And real break-ups are harsh.
Yes, some of them are. But some aren't. Doesn't make them any less real than the harsh ones.
And I don't think he wanted a "real" break-up; he wanted an easy way out. Obviously, it's easier to say "I don't love you" than it is to say "I love you but I don't think we're right for each other". In his mind, the former made more sense.
Watching Smallville
03-31-2006, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
TYes, some of them are. But some aren't. Doesn't make them any less real than the harsh ones.
And I don't think he wanted a "real" break-up; he wanted an easy way out. Obviously, it's easier to say "I don't love you" than it is to say "I love you but I don't think we're right for each other". In his mind, the former made more sense.
I think with the history that these two have been through, a nice sweet break-up -- if there is such a thing when at least one person in the couple still loves the other -- was not in the cards.
SnarkMasterJ
03-31-2006, 10:06 AM
I don't and didn't negate that fact. I merely stated what I thought would've been a better way for them to handle their relationship. But you're right -- given what's happened with them over the course of five years, last night's break-up was unavoidable.
Fish1941
03-31-2006, 10:33 AM
SO I honestly dont blame him. I question to some extent him not telling her the secrest, but if he has his reasons he has his reasons.
I don't think that Clark really has an excuse. I think he should have told her the truth and allow Lana to decide whether she wanted to continue the reputation or not. If I recall from "Spiderman 2", Mary Jane Watson had more or less said the same thing to Peter Parker.
puddinpiester
03-31-2006, 10:35 AM
Lana is not always the most honest and forthcoming person either. How does the old saying go? If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones.
I felt badly for both Clark and Lana. Lana showed great hurt and disappointment. Clark has got to be feeling hurt and disappointment too. I think he really does love her. To hurt her so deeply and to also lose her so completely and to risk her hating him (and her wrath). Clark is stinging! Guess he couldn't really show how he truly feels, 'cause the break-up wouldn't taken. (Maybe that's why he looked so flat and stoic when he told her he didn't love her. I like that explanation better than saying TW was off on his line delivery.) Must be hard to look someone in the eye knowing you are about to wreck their world and your own as well, yet still go through with the ruse. Tragedy.
Fish1941
03-31-2006, 01:24 PM
Why is it that so many fans are willing to take Clark's side in this issue and not Lana's?
He is always given an excuse by the fans, while Lana is castigated.
Lana may not have been perfect, but it seemed obvious to me that Clark has done more to ruin their relationship than she has. I'm sorry, but I can't really buy this "pity poor Clark" campaign.
cotton candy girl
03-31-2006, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Fish1941
Why is it that so many fans are willing to take Clark's side in this issue and not Lana's?
He is always given an excuse by the fans, while Lana is castigated.
Lana may not have been perfect, but it seemed obvious to me that Clark has done more to ruin their relationship than she has. I'm sorry, but I can't really buy this "pity poor Clark" campaign.
I agree! Lana gets blamed for just about everything, and poor little Clarky is the victim. Well Clarky has acted like an embecile, and....just man what a mess. Now we get Lexana and stalkerman.
justsuper
03-31-2006, 02:37 PM
You have to feel sorry for Lana. However, I think Clark did do the right thing - but not in the right way.
I also fault the writing and directing to not give fans a real understanding of the Clark's struggle in "Hypnotic." Generally, Welling delivers the goods and we see what he is going through emotionally - if the directing and writing are there.
But with some imagination, I can see what is going on here and I think it comes down to Clark trying hard to put others before himself and also trying to be logical about the best way to handle things. But Clark logic isn't perfect. This is the way it shakes down for me....
When Clark became human, he thought he had a perfect opportunity to finally be with Lana. Despite the love he has for her, he probably would not have entered into this relationship if his alien status hadn't changed. He also stopped lying to Lana in Reckoning - but found out that, by telling her the truth, he would be putting her life at risk. Some, like Chloe, urged him to tell Lana the truth and that there doesn't necessarily have to be a Reckoning repeat - i.e. that if he tells Lana the truth, she doesn't necessarily die. However, if you truly love someone - why would you take the chance? At least that is "Clark logic." Others might argue that Clark is destroying Lana by his lies and, that were she to be given the choice, she would want to know the truth despite the risks. But Clark wouldn't be able to live with himself if his secret ended up being the reason for Lana's death? So all this makes perfect sense as to why he cannot now be honest and why he has to break it off: because he cannot risk telling her the truth again. It's not a matter of lies or trust - because he trusted her with the truth in Reckoning.
Now, as for Hypnotic, I think Clark could have been more sensitive in breaking it off with Lana. I also think the "hating Clark" aspect to the episode is just a way for the writers to have Lana be the "woman scorned" and advance some (hopefully) very cool plot lines with Lex and Lana and the both of them unraveling the mystery of Clark Kent together; Lana doing things to Clark she later regrets; her eventually finding out the truth despite Clark's best efforts; and finally understanding the (heroic) motives behind his actions. (Could be very fun!)
There is some "Clark Logic" to the idea of making it easier for Lana to move on if she "hates Clark." Clark is also not perfect with respect to how he deals with the women who love him. Irregardless of his motives, Lana is definitely suffering and without any real understanding of why - which sucks. So you have to feel for her.
Timester
03-31-2006, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Fish1941
Why is it that so many fans are willing to take Clark's side in this issue and not Lana's?
He is always given an excuse by the fans, while Lana is castigated.
Lana may not have been perfect, but it seemed obvious to me that Clark has done more to ruin their relationship than she has. I'm sorry, but I can't really buy this "pity poor Clark" campaign.
And the ""pity poor Lana" campaign? BOTH are to be blame here.
myankskent
03-31-2006, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by margroks
That's not at all the case. Lana whines and gripes constantly, demands Clark's repeated declarations of undying love despite the fact that she constantly berates him for having secrets and not wanting to have sex and feels free to dump him (Reckoning although the writers can't seem to remember that they did break up) and still demand he say he loves her, never caring how she might be hurting him.
Suddenly, when Lana gets dumped, it's a tragedy or epic proportions and she never hesitates to run to Lex for comfort. Meomo to Lex: Lana will always cheat on her boyfriend if you give her time to feel under-worshipped. You don't have to do anything.
Do you watch the show or just make bogus statements hoping that no one will call you on it? When did Lana cheat on Clark? Even if she does kiss Lex two episodes from now, it would certainly not be cheating on Clark seeing as how they are broken up. She didn't cheat on Whitney with Clark because she wanted to break it off with him first. Then 10 episodes after that, she hooked up with Clark at the end of season 2. She never cheated on Jason, Jason was long gone when she and Clark started dating at the beginning of season 5. So apparently you must not be watching the episodes properly.
To continue on this theme, once again you have it wrong because Lana never dumped Clark in Reckoning, she said that she needed time away from him. We are to assume that the time away from him only lasted between episodes, but that is bad writing. Also, Lana presses Clark, no doubt, but that is only because Clark gives her reason to press him. If he told her that he didn't love her and didn't give her all of his usual indications that he wants to be with her, she would've walked away, just as she did in this episode. If anything that is what this episode has clarified about Lana.
This was a pitiful episode in general but most disappointing not to see Clark dump Lana because he finally sees her for what she really is: selfish and unfaithful. Niow that would have been worth watching.
This statement is such a disgrace. You must not have watched the episode because to my recollection, Clark dumped Lana because he was too afraid to tell her the truth about himself, so he decided to make it easier on himself and let her go. He didn't see her as being selfish or unfaithful. Please at least watch the show before making such remarks. I'm always up for a debate but you have to at least bring up factual examples to help your case instead of just making things up.
Kryptonian Snake
03-31-2006, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by myankskent
Do you watch the show or just make bogus statements hoping that no one will call you on it? When did Lana cheat on Clark? Even if she does kiss Lex two episodes from now, it would certainly not be cheating on Clark seeing as how they are broken up. She didn't cheat on Whitney with Clark because she wanted to break it off with him first. Then 10 episodes after that, she hooked up with Clark at the end of season 2. She never cheated on Jason, Jason was long gone when she and Clark started dating at the beginning of season 5. So apparently you must not be watching the episodes properly.
To continue on this theme, once again you have it wrong because Lana never dumped Clark in Reckoning, she said that she needed time away from him. We are to assume that the time away from him only lasted between episodes, but that is bad writing. Also, Lana presses Clark, no doubt, but that is only because Clark gives her reason to press him. If he told her that he didn't love her and didn't give her all of his usual indications that he wants to be with her, she would've walked away, just as she did in this episode. If anything that is what this episode has clarified about Lana.
I'm going to have to disagree with you somewhat. In "Shimmer" Clark and Lana would have kissed on her porch had Nell not interrupted them. Later in that episode, Lana goes to Clark's loft to watch a sunset, knowing full well how Clark feels about her and how she feels about Clark. Had Whitney who caught them in either of these situations, he'd have every right to be upset with Lana even though you could defend her actions on the technicality that nothing physically happened with Clark.
In "Reckoning", Lana clearly tells Lex that she and Clark had their last fight. To me, that sounds like a break up, even if she said she "needed a break" rather than "it's over". I've always found this distinction to be ridiculous ever since I saw that infamous Friends epidsode. If Lana had simply been upset with Clark and the status of their relationship, she could have simply left and remained upset. To me, the word break means finished, and shouldn't be used if you don't mean it that way.
mobiusklein
03-31-2006, 03:41 PM
Both are dumb. Every advice column tells a woman that if she keeps picking someone who's not right for her, there's something wrong with HER. Vice Versa, BTW.
myankskent
03-31-2006, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
I'm going to have to disagree with you somewhat. In "Shimmer" Clark and Lana would have kissed on her porch had Nell not interrupted them. Later in that episode, Lana goes to Clark's loft to watch a sunset, knowing full well how Clark feels about her and how she feels about Clark. Had Whitney who caught them in either of these situations, he'd have every right to be upset with Lana even though you could defend her actions on the technicality that nothing physically happened with Clark.
In "Reckoning", Lana clearly tells Lex that she and Clark had their last fight. To me, that sounds like a break up, even if she said she "needed a break" rather than "it's over". I've always found this distinction to be ridiculous ever since I saw that infamous Friends epidsode. If Lana had simply been upset with Clark and the status of their relationship, she could have simply left and remained upset. To me, the word break means finished, and shouldn't be used if you don't mean it that way.
Alright, I understand what you're saying about the Whitney example, but the bottom line is that she didn't hook up with Clark, so therefore, she never did cheat on Whitney. I mean some people feel that Lana cheats on all of her boyfriends and the only example that can be brought up is a "near" case of Lana cheating on Whitney. Plus, Whitney hung Clark from a tree and lied to Lana about it in the first episode. I don't think what Lana almost did with Clark in that moment was worse than what Whitney did.
As for Reckoning, the same can be said at the end of cyborg. Clark and Lana weren't exactly close at the end of that episode and now in Hypnotic they are going dancing and stuff. Now if Lana was the only one who tended to "forget" what happened in Reckoning and again in Cyborg with their breakup, then you can say that Lana is a nutcase, but Clark too has gone along with it. He was perfectly fine at the beginning of Hypnotic and then as soon as Lana inferred sex, he pulled away again. So they are both at fault for not making their breakups stick. It isn't Lana pressing Clark to get back together again.
puddinpiester
03-31-2006, 06:10 PM
Because we can understand, maybe not accept, Clark's behavior and his rationale, it is easy for some of us to feel badly for the guy. All of Smallville is a tragedy of sorts. No one is gonna end up happy in SV. I see reasons for all of the characters to be sad. They just handle their sadness differently. Lana will latch onto someone. Lex will become an antisocial (and I don't mean in the unfriendly way; more like a severe case of a sociopathic disorder) criminal. Lois will become a super journalist. Martha will join Jonathan. Lionel will die, but I don't think he will join Ma and Pa Kent. And Clark. He will become Superman,
LexLuthorMetropolis
03-31-2006, 06:13 PM
Clark's a moron and he screwed up big time. Burying his relationship in lies was a death wish in his own right. Didn't help that Lana was lying herself.
jimmyolsenblues
03-31-2006, 07:58 PM
Clark is innocent on this one, if she did not go over to lex he never would have turned back time and bring lana back. Clark is not to blame for the death of Clana. She should have kept out of lex's house and not been hit by a school bus.
spideyfan
03-31-2006, 09:03 PM
If you guys should feel sorry for someone it should be Clark. You should feel sorry that him because he HAD to do this.
He could have stayed with Lana in a fake relationship and not tell her his secret or he could tell her. In the latter case (as seen from Reckoning) that could be a fatal move considering how close she is with Lex.
Clark did this so Lana could move on (he even said it!), so she could live her life and be with someone that can give her what she wants. IMO Clark did the right thing.
justsaynotokryptonite
03-31-2006, 09:19 PM
I think they are both to blame...they just didnt work well together...better apart than together...but i kinda thought lana added insult to injury when she said she "was waiting for clark to grow up"...what an effin biznatch...and i hate the fact that she always gets the last word in...always...i wish clark had said "yeah forever" as she moped outta the loft...
puddinpiester
04-01-2006, 07:24 AM
Lana did set the whole death ball in motion during Reckoning when she felt more compelled to comfort Lex and than to participate in Clark's family celebration. Priorities. Like Pappa Jor el said, fate will find a balance regardless of what we do.
I just don't think Clark was mean or selfish here. He may not yet be Superman, but he is the clay from which Superman will come and Superman is just not mean.
Xsmallville_obsessedX
04-01-2006, 11:06 AM
I feel sorry for Lana and Clark. They're relationship has been screwed up from the beginning.
I feel horrible for Clark for having to keep his secret and protect Lana. BUT, when in all reality, Lana would completely understand if he exposed his true self. HELLO, doesn't Clark remember how she took it when you told her in Reckoning? She was completely fine with it. Yes, I understood he didn't want her to die, but he could have just saved her from the accident the second time around. He's so set on not telling Lana to protect her. Does he not realize that Chloe's in danger too? But, he really doesn't act like he cares about that. If he wasn't going to tell Lana his secret, then he should've ended it a long time ago instead of feeding her secrets and lies this entire season after he said he wouldn't, and that was hard for me to say, being a die hard Clana fan and all.
Everyone's always going on and on about how Lana whines about Clark not being honest with her. Well wouldn't you if your boyfriend acted as ridiculous as Clark sometimes? He is always lying to her, and after a while, I would get sick of it, too. Especially since she finally just decided to "wait for Clark to grow up and get over any hang-ups he might have" and then he goes and ends the relationship forever? Good job, Clark. Yes, I agree Lana is to blame for the rocky realtionship, too. They are both equally to blame. I hate it when people target Lana when it is both of them.
Ok, I'm finished ranting now.:D
dizzy
04-01-2006, 03:33 PM
This episode did something I never thought Smallville would ever do for me:....... I felt bad for Lana!!! ( for the first loft scene anyway)
:D THANK YOU MARTHA !! I knew I loved her for a reason.
Krypton935
04-01-2006, 03:37 PM
Yeah I do feel bad for her. He sort of just dumped it on her all at once.
Fish1941
04-03-2006, 03:07 PM
When Clark became human, he thought he had a perfect opportunity to finally be with Lana. Despite the love he has for her, he probably would not have entered into this relationship if his alien status hadn't changed. He also stopped lying to Lana in Reckoning - but found out that, by telling her the truth, he would be putting her life at risk.
Are you saying that if Clark ever decides to tell Lana, events will always play out like it did when she had died in the other timeline? That doesn't make any sense.
All about Clark
04-03-2006, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by ferd
Yeah. At the end of Reckoning she said she they needed a break, and then now all the sudden it's a big shocker that they're splitsville? Please.
Their days have been numbered for years, I don't know why everyone is in such shock. It was so obviously a doomed relationship from the start.
As far as this dignified break up everyone thinks they deserve... Weren't we served that up in Reckoning? Haven't we seen them do the slow motion "it's over" walk out of the barn thousands of times?
Was it the "I don't love you" that made it so harsh? Did she not ask him to say that?
Was it Martha's knowing "maybe she's not 'the one'" bit that did everyone in.
As I said, I don't recall ever experiencing a pleasant or 'dignified' break up. They are hard, sad, hurtful, and unpleasant. You say mean things, and you cry. But one day, you'll wake up and move on and look back on it as a stepping stone in your life. Yes, he loved her, but she is not the love of his life. She is not the one. And I guess it's sad to have that said so bluntly.
I agree with this completely. I really think Lana had it coming. She's been pretty hard on him. Going behind his back twice, ready to hop on a plane with Lex to Honduras, in Reckoning leaving him at the election party to go give comfort to Lex. Clark did the right thing, if she's not the one, then end it.
enamored
04-04-2006, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Xsmallville_obsessedX
I feel sorry for Lana and Clark. They're relationship has been screwed up from the beginning.
I feel horrible for Clark for having to keep his secret and protect Lana. BUT, when in all reality, Lana would completely understand if he exposed his true self. HELLO, doesn't Clark remember how she took it when you told her in Reckoning? She was completely fine with it. Yes, I understood he didn't want her to die, but he could have just saved her from the accident the second time around. He's so set on not telling Lana to protect her. Does he not realize that Chloe's in danger too? But, he really doesn't act like he cares about that. If he wasn't going to tell Lana his secret, then he should've ended it a long time ago instead of feeding her secrets and lies this entire season after he said he wouldn't, and that was hard for me to say, being a die hard Clana fan and all.
Yes, Lana accepted Clark when he told her his secret but the big problem is not with Lana knowing his secret. The big problem is with Lex realizing that Lana knows. As soon as he saw the engagement ring Lex knew that Clark had revealed his secret because Lana had made it clear to Lex that she could never committ totally to Clark unless he came clean with her. Clark figures this out and knows that he can not put Lana in that position again. The only way that he can come clean with Lana is if there is no future between the two of them or else Lex will know. That is why Chloe is not in the same kind of danger knowing Clark's secret. She has no romantic relationship with Clark, is not close to Lex, and has not complained continuously to Lex about Clark lying to her.
So essentially, Lana unknowingly doomed her own relationship with Clark when she became a confidante of Lex. This is not really Lana's fault because at the time she started confiding in Lex he was a better person, but she should have been a bit more careful talking about Clark considering Lex's not so well concealed obsession with Clark.
xrayvision
04-04-2006, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by enamored
Yes, Lana accepted Clark when he told her his secret but the big problem is not with Lana knowing his secret. The big problem is with Lex realizing that Lana knows. As soon as he saw the engagement ring Lex knew that Clark had revealed his secret because Lana had made it clear to Lex that she could never committ totally to Clark unless he came clean with her. Clark figures this out and knows that he can not put Lana in that position again. The only way that he can come clean with Lana is if there is no future between the two of them or else Lex will know. That is why Chloe is not in the same kind of danger knowing Clark's secret. She has no romantic relationship with Clark, is not close to Lex, and has not complained continuously to Lex about Clark lying to her.
So essentially, Lana unknowingly doomed her own relationship with Clark when she became a confidante of Lex. This is not really Lana's fault because at the time she started confiding in Lex he was a better person, but she should have been a bit more careful talking about Clark considering Lex's not so well concealed obsession with Clark.
An excellent post. It couldn't have been said better. You hit the nail right on the head.
Originally posted by enamored
Yes, Lana accepted Clark when he told her his secret but the big problem is not with Lana knowing his secret. The big problem is with Lex realizing that Lana knows. As soon as he saw the engagement ring Lex knew that Clark had revealed his secret because Lana had made it clear to Lex that she could never committ totally to Clark unless he came clean with her. Clark figures this out and knows that he can not put Lana in that position again. The only way that he can come clean with Lana is if there is no future between the two of them or else Lex will know. That is why Chloe is not in the same kind of danger knowing Clark's secret. She has no romantic relationship with Clark, is not close to Lex, and has not complained continuously to Lex about Clark lying to her.
So essentially, Lana unknowingly doomed her own relationship with Clark when she became a confidante of Lex. This is not really Lana's fault because at the time she started confiding in Lex he was a better person, but she should have been a bit more careful talking about Clark considering Lex's not so well concealed obsession with Clark.
fair enough i agree with all that.....but clark and lana are both adults now (or supposed to be?) Clark had the added bonus of knowing what the consequences of telling Lana his secret and all.
With all this information....im sure Lana and Clark could have continued being happy together, Lana could have "confided" in Lex, and told him how she has accepted Clark over time....with their relationship on the rocks, and suddenly jumping into marriage, an idiot wouldn't get suspicious let alone Lex right? so if Clark told it all to Lana, not propose, play it cool for a while, sooner or later Lex would lose interest in their relationship and/or mess things up with Lana along the way being the sort of person he has become....there are other ways of dealing with this problem, which is why i didn't buy this whole end of the relationship....the problem is, because it's season 5 now, i think the writers themselves were gettin tired of it....and it would have been nice to see Lana show some substance in all of this and work with Clark to secure their happiness, with no suspicion from Lex, if that IS what they really wanted for 4 and a half years....its not as if Lex can't be manipulated, hell his father has been doing it for years!
xrayvision
04-04-2006, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by GooN
With all this information....im sure Lana and Clark could have continued being happy together, Lana could have "confided" in Lex, and told him how she has accepted Clark over time....with their relationship on the rocks, and suddenly jumping into marriage, an idiot wouldn't get suspicious let alone Lex right? so if Clark told it all to Lana, not propose, play it cool for a while, sooner or later Lex would lose interest in their relationship and/or mess things up with Lana along the way being the sort of person he has become....there are other ways of dealing with this problem, which is why i didn't buy this whole end of the relationship....the problem is, because it's season 5 now, i think the writers themselves were gettin tired of it....and it would have been nice to see Lana show some substance in all of this and work with Clark to secure their happiness, with no suspicion from Lex, if that IS what they really wanted for 4 and a half years....its not as if Lex can't be manipulated, hell his father has been doing it for years!
In order for what you're saying to work, Lana would have to stay away from Lex and show very minimal interest in being his friend. Even with that, Lex may think that Clark revealed info and the secret may be part of it. As we saw in the night in Reckoning, as long as Lana went to Lex, she would be doomed to get into the accident (whether or not Clark stopped it).
I think the best way to solve this is for Clark or Clark & Chloe (maybe even Lois) to expose Lex to the public and make everyone get disgusted with him (Lana included). Something like this won't probably happen until the end of Smallville when Lex leaves and goes to Metropolis.
BabyAngel
04-04-2006, 09:56 PM
I havent watched the show in a while and I will never feel sorry for her!
Watching Smallville
04-05-2006, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by enamored
So essentially, Lana unknowingly doomed her own relationship with Clark when she became a confidante of Lex. This is not really Lana's fault because at the time she started confiding in Lex he was a better person, but she should have been a bit more careful talking about Clark considering Lex's not so well concealed obsession with Clark.
I fault Lana somewhat for talking to Lex about Clark behind his back. From the conversations between Lex and Lana, when Lex says "How many times have you come to me because Clark was hiding something" -- it's not a good reflections on Lana. It makes me think she's running to Lex all the time to complain about Clark, to talk with him about whether Clark is different. Bringing Lex Clark's medical records just shows how far she had gone in talking to Lex about Clark. It's isn't good. And although I do feel sorry for Lana because she is clearly heartbroken, I think she's been using really poor judgment in dissing her boyfriend to another male on a regular basis. I won't say "disloyal" -- but it's very close.
jimmyolsenblues
04-05-2006, 07:55 AM
So essentially, Lana unknowingly doomed her own relationship with Clark when she became a confidante of Lex.
I am sorry I do not buy that Lana was unknowing. Anyone with a pulse could figure out Clark is the good guy. Lex is the bad guy. Go be friendly with bad guy and good guy won't trust you. Wasn't there tons of evidence that Lex did not have clark's best interests at heart and Lana knew something about it. I would love for Clark to be happy with Lana, Chloe, Lois, or whomever. I only wish the character good times. But as I said before, once Lana threw her her time to Lex, I do not feel sorry for her. I feel that Lana does not understand why being friends with Lex would only upset Clark. Clark sees Lana going to lex for support and that is a sign, "Hey this ain't the one, Because the girl who really loves me would never spy on me or befriend the enemy.".
All about Clark
04-05-2006, 10:08 AM
Good posts, jimmyolsenblues and watchingsmallville, spot on.
lanaclark1
04-05-2006, 10:25 AM
omg i have always been a fan of the clana nad for clark to do this is insane i mean kristin kreuk (lana) is gorgeous i would date her if i had the chance and if i was gay lol. but what clark did to her was low and wrong .i mean why doesnt he tell her his secret already he did once and she accepted it so y the hell is he so afraid to do it now he could protect her and she would know why he does the things he does. Ugh Tom Welling (clark) ur so damn hott its hard for me to say that u make stupid love choices
Originally posted by All about Clark
I agree with this completely. I really think Lana had it coming. She's been pretty hard on him. Going behind his back twice, ready to hop on a plane with Lex to Honduras, in Reckoning leaving him at the election party to go give comfort to Lex. Clark did the right thing, if she's not the one, then end it.
no beacause if u have ever been in love then u will realize that love can put u through the biggest obstacles of ur life. lana tries to seek comfort in lex because he is always trying to manipulate her into thinkin that he is a great guy that does no harm. but in may occasions lana has seen that lex only wants her for.... but clark really shows that he loves her. but not all the time that is his mistake he needs to tell her the truth and if she really loves him as they both claim to do clark will tell her she would be ok with it and theyll be happy because lex is only trying to split lana and clark so that lex could get lana to make that dream of his come true :mad:
TLMSKent
02-04-2008, 03:44 PM
I am sorry I do not buy that Lana was unknowing. Anyone with a pulse could figure out Clark is the good guy. Lex is the bad guy. Go be friendly with bad guy and good guy won't trust you. Wasn't there tons of evidence that Lex did not have clark's best interests at heart and Lana knew something about it. I would love for Clark to be happy with Lana, Chloe, Lois, or whomever. I only wish the character good times. But as I said before, once Lana threw her her time to Lex, I do not feel sorry for her. I feel that Lana does not understand why being friends with Lex would only upset Clark. Clark sees Lana going to lex for support and that is a sign, "Hey this ain't the one, Because the girl who really loves me would never spy on me or befriend the enemy.".
I agree with you completely. Clark never does anything but try to save the people he loves, and when he lies, he lies because of that reason and that reason alone, making himself miserable while doing it. Talk about selfless. And Lex? Lex lies because he wants to achieve his stupid petty human things like power and money and knowledge and what not. Lex lies for himself, while Clark lies for others, that's the difference between their lies.
And hello, other than that, just look at what Lex has done. Clark is selfless and tries to see the good in everyone. Lex doesn't care for other people's lives as long as it gets him what he wants. How on earth can Lana be mad at Clark for not being truthful and trust Lex at the same time? How can she possibly believe that Lex is the better of the two? If she really thinks that, then breaking up with her was the best thing Clark ever did, because she sure as hell doesn't deserve him.
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