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SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
And just how does Clark know that lana can't handle herself around Lex? Clark is never in the room to witness this so how can he know that Lana can't keep anything from Lex? The events in Reckoning were a one time deal. You're telling me that based on that, Clark can come to the conclusion that Lana can't handle keeping a secret? Especially after she would've died in that accident if not for Clark's heroics.

Also, Clark was kind of told the wrong information on the phone from Lana. Lana told him that Lex knows about him and that she doesn't know how but Lex knows. Well Lex doesn't know the truth because Lana never told him. I'm not sure that Clark is aware of this.

Actually she said "...he knows, I don't know how he knows, but he could tell I was hiding your secret", she didn't say he knows your secret. So he was given the right information because thats exactly what happened.

But, No, based on one event I wouldn't expect Clark to draw that conclusion. But that thing about Clarks heroics, thats a nice point, but not THE point. It's not about her not wanting with all her guts and glory to keep his secret, its the fact that she wears her heart on her sleeve, she's not good at fooling people. I would argue Clark knows this without considering the events of reckoning.

But anyway, I'm not sayiing this is correct or even a very strong argument, I'm saying its a potential agrument to why Lana would be more unsafe knowing the secret than Martha or Chloe. I was just throwing ideas out there.

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 09:40 PM

The only reason Lex knew or why anyone would know, is because of the wedding ring. You're not giving Lex enough credit here, he knows Clark and Lana all too well. Lana as anyone here would know, wouldnt marry clark with his secrets. Lex also knows that.

Jokerisdaking

03-30-2006, 09:42 PM

Clark doesnt want to be with Lana anymore, he doesnt think it will work, he is no longer of the opinion that she is "the one". Ending the relationship was the responsible thing to do.

cotton candy girl

03-30-2006, 09:43 PM

He didn't do it in the responsible way, imo.

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 09:45 PM

Clark doesnt want to be with Lana anymore, he doesnt think it will work, he is no longer of the opinion that she is "the one". Ending the relationship was the responsible thing to do.

Who say he isn't for the opinion that Lana isn't the one? He never said that and secondly, he does want to be with Lana, just not with the secrets and the lies. The responsible thing to do was for him to tell her that, instead of lying again.

cotton candy girl

03-30-2006, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by God-Man
I wish that when Clark was going to break up with Lana, it was because he was sure that he did not love her with all his heart. I got the feeling that he is still depply in love with her, and that we'll see Clark moping around, pining for Lana.

This is true. It's still unresolved, hence his impending stalkerman routine.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by sdogg1m
The problem is he is not protecting her. In fact, he has hurt her over and over and over again.

This reminds me of Spiderman 2 when Spiderman is faced with the same dilemma and Mary Jane tell him thats her decision to make.

Clark should just lay everything out on the table and ask Lana whether or not she is willing to take that risk. I have little doubt that she would say yes.

Clarks too much of a noble control freak for that. If he can completely protect her ( and stop hurting her over and over again) by ending their relationship, thats what he's going to do. Call it a character flaw but thats always how supes has been

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 09:47 PM

I wonder if Clark was smart enough to realize that by ending it with Lana she's sending him to Lex. I'm willing to bet he didn't and he's going to be in complete shock when she is. He just doesn't think anything through.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
The only reason Lex knew or why anyone would know, is because of the wedding ring. You're not giving Lex enough credit here, he knows Clark and Lana all too well. Lana as anyone here would know, wouldnt marry clark with his secrets. Lex also knows that.

Well yeh obviously the wedding ring gave it away. Lex's intelligence doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm talking about. It's about Lana and how she interacts with other people whether they're Lex or Lionel, or Morgan Edge of the next thug to come along. Like I said before she's not good at fooling people.

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 09:54 PM

Well yeh obviously the wedding ring gave it away. Lex's intelligence doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm talking about. It's about Lana and how she interacts with other people whether they're Lex or Lionel, or Morgan Edge of the next thug to come along. Like I said before she's not good at fooling people.

She's no worse than Chloe or Clark. Clark is the easy person to tell he's lying. Lex has known Chloe knows about Clark since the season opener. The only people who are good at hiding Clark's secret are the kents or just martha now.

OutlawAngel

03-30-2006, 09:54 PM

Ending the relationship might of been responsible, but ending it the way he did was not responsible and wasnt fair to her at all.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I wonder if Clark was smart enough to realize that by ending it with Lana she's sending him to Lex. I'm willing to bet he didn't and he's going to be in complete shock when she is. He just doesn't think anything through.

Yeh well, this is defnitely a plothole I can't think of any other way around. He knows she trusts Lex because she's been working with him on the spaceship. And he knows Lex wouldn't hesitate to get information out of her and that he's not trustworthy in any respect

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 09:56 PM

Yeh well, this is defnitely a plothole I can't think of any other way around. He knows she trusts Lex because she's been working with him on the spaceship. And he knows Lex wouldn't hesitate to get information out of her and that he's not trustworthy in any respect

I really don't think Clark believes Lex is capable of hurting her, at least not until what happened in reckoning. But if she knew what happened in reckoning, that would no longer be a problem.

F-Stop Blues

03-30-2006, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I really don't think Clark believes Lex is capable of hurting her, at least not until what happened in reckoning. But if she knew what happened in reckoning, that would no longer be a problem.

But the real question is does Lana remember the events of Commencement? Lex was pretty malicious and clearly did not have her best interests in mind. Lana knew this but apparently she doesnt care now.

Batman_Beyonder

03-30-2006, 10:00 PM

I'm not mad about the breakup, I'm made at how the writers choosed it to happen. Damnit. :)

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
She's no worse than Chloe or Clark. Clark is the easy person to tell he's lying. Lex has known Chloe knows about Clark since the season opener. The only people who are good at hiding Clark's secret are the kents or just martha now.

Well, the only rebuttle I've got to that is they're both good at talking their way out of and around people questions (again lets not just focus on lex, lets look at the big picture), I've never seen Lana be able to do that with anybody. But other than that I got nothing else for you. Thanks for the debate, though

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I really don't think Clark believes Lex is capable of hurting her, at least not until what happened in reckoning. But if she knew what happened in reckoning, that would no longer be a problem.

Yeh I don't think he thinks Lex would hurt her either. But I doubt he's not aware that Lex has the capacity to manipulate her

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:04 PM

But the real question is does Lana remember the events of Reckoning? Lex was pretty malicious and clearly did not have her best interests in mind. Lana knew this but apparently she
doesnt care now.

That he was, but then again, what Lex did could be looked upon as trying to be carrying and just going out of line. Off course we know that was it, but heck the writers don't want Lana to have an actually brain when it comes to these situation. Lex was drunk too. That situation is sitting different from the other one though.

Well, the only rebuttle I've got to that is they're both good at talking their way out of and around people questions (again lets not just focus on lex, lets look at the big picture), I've never seen Lana be able to do that with anybody. But other than that I got nothing else for you. Thanks for the debate, though

Anytime, I'd just say you know right away when Clark isn't telling the truth. He gives it away with his eyes. Chloe it's a little harder, but still noticable.

But I doubt he's not aware that Lex has the capacity to manipulate her

After tonight, I'm sure he isn't, because if he knew she would go with Lex. He would have stayed with her, just to protect her from him. It would have been nice for Chloe to throw that in.

F-Stop Blues

03-30-2006, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
That he was, but then again, what Lex did could be looked upon as trying to be carrying and just going out of line. Off course we know that was it, but heck the writers don't want Lana to have an actually brain when it comes to these situation. Lex was drunk too. That situation is sitting different from the other one though.

I just think that Lana should have reservations about Lex but I dont think she does.

Jokerisdaking

03-30-2006, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Who say he isn't for the opinion that Lana isn't the one? He never said that and secondly, he does want to be with Lana, just not with the secrets and the lies. The responsible thing to do was for him to tell her that, instead of lying again.

His silence spoke volumes

MBCorp

03-30-2006, 10:06 PM

You would think Lana would remember Commencement.

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:08 PM

I just think that Lana should have reservations about Lex but I dont think she does.

She most definitely should! But with Clark AND Chloe keeping things from her, she doesn't have any and wants to believe she can trust Lex.

His silence spoke volumes

Not really....

You would think Lana would remember Commencement.

EXACTLY! But I'd be surprised if Al/miles remembered commencement. I'd be surprised if they remember what happened tonight.

F-Stop Blues

03-30-2006, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
You would think Lana would remember Commencement.

Exactly!! Has she forgotten what happened then? Lex wasnt exactly trustworthy but Lana has a selective memory I think.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan

After tonight, I'm sure he isn't, because if he knew she would go with Lex. He would have stayed with her, just to protect her from him. It would have been nice for Chloe to throw that in.

yeh that's why I say it's a plothole that there's just no way around, because Clark at this point shouldn't be quite so dumb not to know that Lana would go to Lex. But his actions say that he is.

And thats true about chloe. I really want them to bring her into this more somehow, if anybody can put the pieces together for Clark its going to have to be her

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:11 PM

Everyone has a selective memory. Like for example Clark, who imo seems to have forgotten that Lex was responsbile for Lana's death in reckoning.

ma200

03-30-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Not really....

Well, he didn't say she wasn't the one but he also didn't insist that she is the one either.

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:13 PM

yeh that's why I say it's a plothole that there's just no way around, because Clark at this point shouldn't be quite so dumb not to know that Lana would go to Lex. But his actions say that he is.

Welcome to Smallville, the world of the dummies.

Well, he didn't say she wasn't the one but he also didn't insist that she is the one either.

That's because he's given up, plain and simple, he quit.

ma200

03-30-2006, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan

That's because he's given up, plain and simple, he quit.

Just becuz' he knows that him and Lana would never work does not mean he can't persist that she's the one

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:18 PM

Just becuz' he knows that him and Lana would never work does not mean he can't persist that she's the one

Does to me, because there's no point in going around saying she's the one, when he knows it can never happen. Not to mention it would make him feel worse. I remember said in Lockdown, that he can't imagine loving anyone else. So, i'd say right there he called her the one, when he hadn't given up on them. Now he has, so he quit.

Timester

03-30-2006, 10:18 PM

A normal day in Smallville: an awful ending to a boring, contrived arc. You all guys should already know better AlMiles and Smallville.

But now, CAN WE JUST MOVE WITH THE STORY and STOP ALL THE SHIPS IN THE SHOW, Alfred Gough and Miles Millar? :\

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Welcome to Smallville, the world of the dummies.

That's because he's given up, plain and simple, he quit.

Like I've said in other posts. I think what he did and how he did was the best choice. Of course there is disagreement as to whether or not he should tell her his secret, for the sake of argument lets say he can't.

In breaking up with her, if he told her he still loved her, her next question would be then why can't we be together. Which leads to him having to tell her his secret, or just breaking up with her for seemingly no reason which would drive her crazy and still pining for him and not to mention STILLwaiting for him to come around him, none of which he wants for her. He wants her to be with someone who can give her what she wants and needs.

SmallvilleMan I know you're not big on him keeping it from her and I can understand that. But you gotta admit if he hadn't said the I dont love you thing, this rollercoaster would have at least a few more go-rounds before we got off

You've also got to leave the potential for Clark to have underlying reservations about her "One-ness" that not even he has been aware of

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:24 PM

This is what he should have said imo.

Clark: Lana, I do love you, but we can't be together. I know you can't understand why, but it never work. The secrets I carry will haunt us forever, no matter if I tell you or not. This for your protection, because I love you that much. We can never be together.

He could have said that and drop in a little tears. Instead he lied to her, which made her more anger. He could have save that and it would end.

You've also got to leave the potential for Clark to have underlying reservations about her "One-ness" that not even he has been aware of

If anything, Clark believes he's destined to be alone.

Timester

03-30-2006, 10:27 PM

AlMiles are sadistics. I'm being saying this for more than a year.

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:28 PM

not telling me anything i dont know

Summers

03-30-2006, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Timester
AlMiles are sadistics. I'm being saying this for more than a year.

Time many of us have been saying that for a very long time now :lol:.

Timester

03-30-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Summers
Time many of us have been saying that for a very long time now :lol:.

Just try to remember that to everyone, that we always should except the worst with Smallville. That way, the show isn't that bad... No, wait, the show is bad. :p

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:34 PM

Just try to remember that to everyone, that we always should except the worst with Smallville. That way, the show isn't that bad... No, wait, the show is bad.

I do picture the worst, but somehow it just keeps getting topped:rolleyes:

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
This is what he should have said imo.

Clark: Lana, I do love you, but we can't be together. I know you can't understand why, but it never work. The secrets I carry will haunt us forever, no matter if I tell you or not. This for your protection, because I love you that much. We can never be together.

He could have said that and drop in a little tears. Instead he lied to her, which made her more anger. He could have save that and it would end.

Not in Lana world. She wouldn't accept that. Not as much as she loves him. He doesn't want her longing for something that can never be, he needs her to gracefully move on with her life. She would never be able to do that if he did what you suggested. She loves him just as much as he loves her, and as long as she believes he loves her, she wouldn't settle for anything less than the truth from him. So perhaps this is what Clark does in the comics and thats why she ends up stalking him and lois

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan

If anything, Clark believes he's destined to be alone.
Careful, now you can't argue that he ever believed she was the one

ma200

03-30-2006, 10:44 PM

Also, Smallvilleman, think about how he has told everyone he cares about about that one part of himself. He never really tells anyone unless he felt he has to. Chloe, Pete, Alicia, etc.

Even Lana. He only told her becuz' he was afraid he might lose her. THAT'S not the greatest way to propose to a girl. Heck, that's not how I wanted to be proposed to.

Alphacooler

03-30-2006, 10:44 PM

ALL MOOT.

None of this matters when you once again consider the fact that the reason for their breakup is Clark not telling Lana b/c he wants to protect her.

It is just flawed reasoning. The writers & producers know it, but it is what was set in motion long ago and they were stuck with it.

I don't really need to explicate the argument for how incredibly absurd it is for Clark not to tell her...its been beat to death on these boards.

Oh and I love how they throw in at the end that he KNEW deep down all along that she wasn't the one. R-I-G-H-T. That line coupled with the ridiculous look on his face actually made me laugh out loud.

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:47 PM

Not in Lana world. She wouldn't accept that. Not as much as she loves him. He doesn't want her longing for something that can never be, he needs her to gracefully move on with her life. She would never be able to do that if he did what you suggested. She loves him just as much as he loves her, and as long as she believes he loves her, she wouldn't settle for anything less than the truth from him. So perhaps this is what Clark does in the comics and thats why she ends up stalking him and lois

She would have to accept it, what is she going to do? Follow Clark around? Some things you have to accept and she would have to. And trust me when I say that road leads to a better place than this road does.

Careful, now you can't argue that he ever believed she was the one

How can't I? Remember, Clark has always said two things. That he is destined to be alone and that Lana is the only girl he's loved or can imagine loving. Being "the one" to someone doesn't mean that they don't think they'll end up alone. All it means, to me anyways, is that you love them more than anyone else and you're willing to do anything for them. The one person you'd sacrifce anything for.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Alphacooler
ALL MOOT.

None of this matters when you once again consider the fact that the reason for their breakup is Clark not telling Lana b/c he wants to protect her.

It is just flawed reasoning. The writers & producers know it, but it is what was set in motion long ago and they were stuck with it.

I don't really need to explicate the argument for how incredibly absurd it is for Clark not to tell her...its been beat to death on these boards.

Oh and I love how they throw in at the end that he KNEW deep down all along that she wasn't the one. R-I-G-H-T. That line coupled with the ridiculous look on his face actually made me laugh out loud.

Yeah, thats true and all, but then what would be the purpose of our lovely debate. Debateing is fun, it exercises the brain, makes you think about things more explictly

RedPhoenix23

03-30-2006, 10:50 PM

Clark was willing to make Lana his wife but chickened out after Lex caused her death, so saying that Clark knew that Lana isn't the one is in fact flawed reasoning. Clark just isn't man enough to handle an "adult relationship" as Martha called it.

Oh well, at least this way it looks like I might finally get full on LEXANA!!! Mwuhahahaaaa!!! And its Clarks fault!! Mwwuahahaaa!!

-----Long Live Team Lexana!!!-----

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
Yeah, thats true and all, but then what would be the purpose of our lovely debate. Debateing is fun, it exercises the brain, makes you think about things more explictly

Very true. :D

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:50 PM

Even Lana. He only told her becuz' he was afraid he might lose her. THAT'S not the greatest way to propose to a girl. Heck, that's not how I wanted to be proposed to.

But he told her, did he not? He didn't just tell her, he purposed to her. If he didn't think she was the one, he wouldn't have told her or purposed to her. And you can say he did it, because he was afraid, I say he did it, because he loved her. We can go back and forth all day on that one.

Also, Smallvilleman, think about how he has told everyone he cares about about that one part of himself. He never really tells anyone unless he felt he has to. Chloe, Pete, Alicia, etc.

He has too, as in they already found out. That's the difference between those people and Lana. She's the one he wanted to spend the rest of his life with, he said it himself.

sdogg1m

03-30-2006, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Hey, welcome to the world of Clark's twisted logic. The problem is, Clark fails to realize that, despite what anyone says. All Clark see's is Lana laying there on concrete dead. All Clark see's, is the tears she has cried over him. And with what's happened between them, Clark's protective mode has gone up and he doesn't see what's right in front of his face.

Yes he should, but he doesn't realize the full consequences of his actions.

I agree to an extent, but this just kills him.

When the series started I appreciated Clark's charm and thought that he and Chloe would be a great match but the way the producers have caused his character to treat Lana then I think it would be best if he stay single for a lengthy time period.

SmallvilleMan

03-30-2006, 10:52 PM

I think it would be best for him to get someone else to write him.

sdogg1m

03-30-2006, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Alphacooler
ALL MOOT.

None of this matters when you once again consider the fact that the reason for their breakup is Clark not telling Lana b/c he wants to protect her.

It is just flawed reasoning. The writers & producers know it, but it is what was set in motion long ago and they were stuck with it.

I don't really need to explicate the argument for how incredibly absurd it is for Clark not to tell her...its been beat to death on these boards.

Oh and I love how they throw in at the end that he KNEW deep down all along that she wasn't the one. R-I-G-H-T. That line coupled with the ridiculous look on his face actually made me laugh out loud.

Wow, very well stated!!! Please stick around these boards.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
She would have to accept it, what is she going to do? Follow Clark around? Some things you have to accept and she would have to. And trust me when I say that road leads to a better place than this road does.

Perhaps, certainly not always. My honest thought is that she would attempt to find out what this big secret is thats keeping them apart on her own. Which would completely defeat his purpose...

How can't I? Remember, Clark has always said two things. That he is destined to be alone and that Lana is the only girl he's loved or can imagine loving. Being "the one" to someone doesn't mean that they don't think they'll end up alone. All it means, to me anyways, is that you love them more than anyone else and you're willing to do anything for them. The one person you'd sacrifce anything for.

Yeh, thats what the one means to me too, in my life, in my universe. But I think the one that Martha and others of us are referring to is much bigger than that. Perhaps it's because we're primed with the notion of Lois Lane, but Clarks "one" seems like it should be the one he spends his life with. And besides, his fear of being alone obviously isnt that pervasive or he wouldn't have asked her to marry him

ma200

03-30-2006, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
But he told her, did he not? He didn't just tell her, he purposed to her. If he didn't think she was the one, he wouldn't have told her or purposed to her. And you can say he did it, because he was afraid, I say he did it, because he loved her. We can go back and forth all day on that one.

You don't let a girl get past your defenses just becuz' you're afraid you might lose her. You let her becuz' you want to, not becuz' you're insecure about the possibility of her leaving you; when you're at this place that it does not matter if you and her marry or not, becuz' she's never gonna leave you. Now that's a good time to propose and that's the greatest way to show a girl how special she is.

Also, he's the one that said he could feel her slipping away. His words, not mine.

He loves her? Sure, in his own way but just becuz' he thinks she's the one does not mean he knows she's the one. Otherwise he has a crappy way of showing it.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 11:05 PM

wow, that was weird, part of my post is in your quote

Originally posted by ma200
You don't let a girl get past your defenses just becuz' you're afraid you might lose her. You let her becuz' you want to, not becuz' you're insecure about the possibility of her leaving you; when you're at this place that it does not matter if you and her marry or not, becuz' she's never gonna leave you. Now that's a good time to propose and that's the greatest way to show a girl how special she is.

Also, he's the one that said he could feel her slipping away. His words, not mine.

He loves her? Sure, in his own way but just becuz' he thinks she's the one does not mean he knows she's the one. Otherwise he has a crappy way of showing it.

I think he loved her, but I think he did it because he was afraid she was "slipping away". I honeslty don't belive if their relationship had been going smoothly, proposing would have crossed his mind so soon.

smallvillerocks45

03-30-2006, 11:09 PM

I think that I was more upset with the fact that Lex had something to do with the break up. Even though Clark ultimately decided to break it off, had Simone never entered his life (thanks to Lex), the relationship would've ended differently IMO.

I was also a little thrown off by Lana's line: "Look me in the eye and tell me you don't love me"....didn't she use that one on Jason?... tsk, tsk, tsk...doesn't she know (from experience) that is the wrong question...

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 11:11 PM

lol, yeh the same exact line, but i think its the writers' way of reiterrating her insecurities with men

ma200

03-30-2006, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
wow, that was weird, part of my post is in your quote

I think he loved her, but I think he did it because he was afraid she was "slipping away". I honeslty don't belive if their relationship had been going smoothly, proposing would have crossed his mind so soon.

I did say Clark loves Lana is his own way. I mean she's the one that showed him that love is possible. But it's not true love with her becuz' he doesn't respect her and he keeps doing that. Same thing with Chloe too.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by ma200
I did say Clark loves Lana is his own way. I mean she's the one that showed him that love is possible. But it's not true love with her becuz' he doesn't respect her and he keeps doing that. Same thing with Chloe too.

Yeh i know, i was agreeing with you

ma200

03-30-2006, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
lol, yeh the same exact line, but i think its the writers' way of reiterrating her insecurities with men

I think it's hilarious when Lana said "It's over b/w us." I was like yeah...he was the one that dumped you! Oh well, I can kinda understand.

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
Yeh i know, i was agreeing with you

:p

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by ma200
I think it's hilarious when Lana said "It's over b/w us." I was like yeah...he was the one that dumped you! Oh well, I can kinda understand.

:p

I mean seriously, people don't give the writers any credit on this show, but this is one place where they've rose to challenge. Lana is needy, a little pathetic, and annoying, apparently just like in the comics. I don't know if they've done better with replicaing any other personality

I'm outtie folks, It's been real

jblatz

03-30-2006, 11:38 PM

I knew the breakup was coming but this episode really sucked and as people have said It's like Clark was a different person at the end because we all know Lana isn't the one but at this point in his she is. He said he didn't love her but that's a lie and probably by the end of the season they will get back together after Lana finds out how evil Lex is. I also thought it was petty and stupid for Lex to use Simone to break Clark and Lana up in the first place just so she would go running to him. If Lex wanted Lana so badly he could have gotten her without Simone as Clark or Lana probablly would of ended the relationship anyway. I think it's time that I get cast on Smallville as Lana's boyfriend for the season I mean getting to kiss Kristen would be hard work but I'm sure I would be up for it! LOL!

-Jade

svsabbiesv

03-30-2006, 11:54 PM

i think im more irritated on the fact that if he is suppose to be super"man" he's being childish in the fact that he is using the hypnosis an easy way out to get out of this relationship. I understand hurting lana is more blah blah but I'm so over that. Just tell her your secret and let her deal with it. Lex is bound to find out either way...ayes..it got me teary eyed bc lana was so devastated. like this whole time we thought lana would be the one to end it..n then clark to tell her my feelings for you are different, i dont love you..wat a load of cr*p. thanks for listening

jason127

03-31-2006, 03:44 AM

well i just plain ahted this episode, the clana break up, not enough action, its like a repeat of season 2 episode 2 "Heat" im also afraid that this is really the end of romantic clana, they did so much foreshadowing in this episode that i think it can be the end. the writers are never really good with the continuality so im hoping im wrong and they can end theiur romantic relationship with class i imagine in the 6th season where they can stay friends. i just hope the next couple of episodes will be better, we have to see Lexana (yuck), but im hoping for some more action and seeing zod in the finale and at least we get to see Pa Kent next episode.

PPIRKITG

03-31-2006, 04:19 AM

lol

thmallville

03-31-2006, 04:20 AM

I actually cried when Clark was like "I don't love you." I was screaming at my TV, "YES YOU DO!!!!!! YES HE DOES!!! HE'S LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH!" and then I started crying but my sister was downstairs with me so i had to cover my face with my hands but i kept making these snuffly noises so it didn't do anything....

This was really really really sad. And Clark broke up with her because he didn't want to lie to her anymore, but he doens't consider telling her his secret, and their relationship was finally back together, and then he breaks it off with her- by lying. Confused? I am.

smallvilleobsessor17

03-31-2006, 04:24 AM

Even though he's a fictional character, I am REALLY, REALLY MAD at Clark! That idiot! HE DID NOT HAVE TO BREAK UP WITH LANA!!!

thmallville

03-31-2006, 04:33 AM

YESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE CLARK NOW!!!!!!!

CallMeClark

03-31-2006, 04:34 AM

I actually was mad at how he handled the situation. He broke her heart...

Violas

03-31-2006, 04:56 AM

Im very sad about the break up but It was inevitable. But one thing I dont understand and that's the reason for them not to be together is not strong enough!!!. OMG she will die if she knows the secret, but let's face it, every girl that clark hooks up with will be in danger!!!

I mean come on, when Clark and Lois hook up in the future what will be different from the Clana realationship?

Why wont Lois be in a danger like Lana, what's the difference between them. It think that the writers have maid an awful mistake.

Summary:

The reason that Clark and Lana can't be with eachother is not strong enough!

netlynn

03-31-2006, 05:17 AM

I agree....I was soooo pissed last night after watching that stupid episode. We all new Clana would never last but they didn't have to do it that way :)

Fly by guy

03-31-2006, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by Violas
Im very sad about the break up but It was inevitable. But one thing I dont understand and that's the reason for them not to be together is not strong enough!!!. OMG she will die if she knows the secret, but let's face it, every girl that clark hooks up with will be in danger!!!

I mean come on, when Clark and Lois hook up in the future what will be different from the Clana realationship?

Why wont Lois be in a danger like Lana, what's the difference between them. It think that the writers have maid an awful mistake.

Summary:

The reason that Clark and Lana can't be with eachother is not strong enough!
The writing is not strong enough. I am getting sympathy pains for Lexana and Clois fans because we all know TPTB can't write a decent relationship. I'd say bring the torches and pitchforks but it's not worth the effort. They've dug their bunker too deep and for too long.:mad:

Timester

03-31-2006, 05:31 AM

The prediction has come true. Clark would be the hated one and Lana would still be the perfect one... :\

Why, oh, Why should Clark tell anything to the girl that spend her time with his arch-rival and ASKED for a break? IT'S. STILL. EVERYTHING. ABOUT. HER. She loved Clark so much that is already jumping to another man. :rolleyes:

Clark is a jack***, but Lana is also guilty here.

KrissO

03-31-2006, 05:35 AM

God damn it. I cried too.
All I want is for this to end the right way, not hurt the fans and piss them off.

Who think's there's a possibility Clark will tell Lana ?
Just to get it over with...

hbkid21

03-31-2006, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by Violas
Im very sad about the break up but It was inevitable. But one thing I dont understand and that's the reason for them not to be together is not strong enough!!!. OMG she will die if she knows the secret, but let's face it, every girl that clark hooks up with will be in danger!!!

I mean come on, when Clark and Lois hook up in the future what will be different from the Clana realationship?

Why wont Lois be in a danger like Lana, what's the difference between them. It think that the writers have maid an awful mistake.

Summary:

The reason that Clark and Lana can't be with eachother is not strong enough!

Well Clark did his feeling have change for her...Plus, the difference between Lana and any other girl Clark will date in the future up to Lois is that Lana is best friends with Lex!!! And in reckoning, it shows that Lex knew that Lana knew the secret without even telling him. And face it, Clark cant make her stop hanging out with Lex.

SadaBeem

03-31-2006, 06:34 AM

Oh, my gosh! I was trying hard not to cry. Lana looked SO sad. It was seriously the most upsetting Clana moment of my life. There were hardly any Lana scenes in which I wasn't feeling sorry for our deary Miss Lang. Clark was.. I don't know. I can't bring myself to be mad at him, but he was still a jerk. If he would just tell her his stupid secret!!! Oh Clark... I'm sorry Lana!

mrs lana kent

03-31-2006, 06:39 AM

Total sum up... Smallville has already changed the plot by bringing in Lois Lane, and adding Chloe or Pete instead of Jimmy. See, little things like that!!! So why can't they just let Clana be together? Man, any Clana fan would have been crying their eyes out when she sat up against the barn after Clark broke it up... U Know i was!!!I'm so mad!!!!! I'm gonna keep praying that they get back together, Simple as that...

Kryptonian Snake

03-31-2006, 07:00 AM

The main problem with this entire relationship, especially this season, has been that Clark's secret is the only thing that ever breaks them up and puts distance between them. This has been the case since season two. For me, to have Clark's secret be the reason for the breakup is unsatisfactory because his reasons for keeping the secret are essentially universal for anyone he meets. He's always kept his secret because he felt:

- people might not accept him
- keeping the secret would be too burdensome
- knowing the secret would put the person in danger

With Lana, the first concern was eliminated in the first half of "Reckoning", and the other two still universally apply to any potential friend/significant other in Clark's life. Furthermore, the third concern is based on flawed reasoning since being close to Clark is what puts people in danger, not the specific knowledge of the secret itself.

In season 4 Clark could have faced his fears and taken a risk by confiding in Chloe, his best friend. That didn't happen, though. Instead we got a situation in which Clark tells Chloe everything because there's no possible way he can deny it. He had another opportunity in this season with Lana. Until "Fanatic" Lana had pretty much kept her mouth shut about Clark's secrecy. She didn't press him about the meteor mutants' comments regarding Clark's reputation in Belle Reeve and she didn't press him for an explanation of his ressurection. She also kept quiet about the sex issue for months. Clark, however, seemed content with Lana's lack of interest and I got the impression that he would have been perfectly happy had Lana never asked him to open up for the rest of their lives. If he could avoid being honest and get away with it, then he would. If there were ever a time to face his fears and risk confiding in someone, it would have been last season with Chloe or this season with Lana. (I'm ignoring "Reckoning" because he confided in Lana when the relationship was going south, so he was honest out of desperation).

At this point, it's hard for me to believe Clark will ever face his fears and confide in someone without it being the lesser of two evils. We've seen plenty of anvils that Lois and Clark are destined to end up together. However, they have yet to convince me that Clark will ever take the risk of confiding in her. Then again, maybe he'll end up telling her for the same reason he told Lana in "Reckoning" -- to preserve a dying relationship. Or maybe he'll take a course in logic next year and realize his reasoning is flawed.

It would have been preferrable if they showed Clark reexamining his feelings for Lana after "Reckoning". Maybe he would notice her hypocrisy about keeping secrets or he'd view her differently for leaving the victory party to see Lex on the day they got engaged. Instead we got another case of someone telling him about something before he thinks about it himself. It loses significance when Clark thinks about his true feelings for Lana after dumping her.

I just hope they keep the romantic relationship between these two dead and buried.

clana4love

03-31-2006, 07:06 AM

OK, I LOVE Clana and I was kinda pissed at the episode. I mean, I respect Martha and all, but that was kinda sad when she said, "Maybe you thought, deep down, that she wasn't the one?" I was all , "Huh?" When I heard that. But at least Clark said, "I'll always love Lana." It was kinda sad though. (sniff). It makes me think that they might be steering toward Clois now, but if they do, I'm not watching it anymore. (Oh, and my cousin says neither will she, she's a big Clana fan too.)

Kryptonian Snake

03-31-2006, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Timester
Why, oh, Why should Clark tell anything to the girl that spend her time with his arch-rival and ASKED for a break? IT'S. STILL. EVERYTHING. ABOUT. HER. She loved Clark so much that is already jumping to another man. :rolleyes:

That's a very valid point. The problem is the reason Clark breaks up with Lana this episode is to stop continuously hurting her, not because he feels differently about her. We never saw Clark think about the fact that Lana left the victory party to see Lex. We never saw him pull away from her because of her hypocrisy about keeping secrets. We never saw him question their relationship status when Lana referred to the two of them as a couple in "Tomb". Showing Clark realize that his feelings for Lana were changing would have been a much better way to go and it would have made his statement about not loving Lana anymore an honest one.

Bugbait

03-31-2006, 07:53 AM

I think the biggest gripe is that until this episode Clark has never intentionally hurt Lana. He often did accidentally or should I say incidentally but that can happen in relationships. This time, although he was "trying" to do the right thing he intentionally hurt her. The possible reasons have already been mentioned many times. That's the sore point I think.

Regarding Martha Kent's advise I think she's barking up the wrong tree. Lana is the only person Clark has trully wanted to tell about his secret. He felt compelled, rightly or wrongly to tell Pete and Chloe found out through Alicia. He wanted to tell Lana at the end of Season 3. He still didn't feel a need to tell Chloe at this stage.

Regarding Lana running to Lex, that's reasonable. He's always "appeared" to be supportive of her and whenever she has pressed him, even told her most of the truth. After someone you've loved deeply and for a long time crushes you (note, not just breaking up) then running to a friend it perfectly normal. It's not like she's intimate with Lex in the same episode.

EDIT: Regarding Lana keeping secrets from Clark...

Like what? The plans about the spaceship? When he busted her she came 100% clean. Her investigation into the meteor showers? Once again, she came clean. On the flip side whenever Lana confronts Clark he avoids/deflects/lies.

After this episode it's very difficult to defend the actions of Smallville Clark (see Smallville Legacy thread). Damn it! :)

margroks

03-31-2006, 07:59 AM

Not me. Lana never deserved Clark's affection. and she proved why last night. Five years of this stuff is too much; Clark should never have gotten involved with her to begin with. I wish they'd had a yelling match with Clark telling her how self centerd and unsupportive she's always been. The constant "I don't want to hurt her" is BS, too. Martha is right. He knows she's not the one. SHe never was and her running to Lex to complain about Clark and saying she was so foolish for ever thinking she loved him is exactly why. Lana always has to be the center of attention or she's not happy and when she gripes about Clark lying to her, it's that need to know all and control all that shines through. It's five years past time for Clana to end.

Kryptonian Snake

03-31-2006, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Bugbait
EDIT: Regarding Lana keeping secrets from Clark...

Like what? The plans about the spaceship? When he busted her she came 100% clean. Her investigation into the meteor showers? Once again, she came clean. On the flip side whenever Lana confronts Clark he avoids/deflects/lies.
Lana has always gotten upset with people because they hide things from her, even when they come clean after being busted. For her, the initial lie is just as bad as the deflection/avoidance. She's lied and kept secrets herself, so that makes her a hypocrite.

LuckyKrypto

03-31-2006, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Bugbait
I think the biggest gripe is that until this episode Clark has never intentionally hurt Lana. He often did accidentally or should I say incidentally but that can happen in relationships. This time, although he was "trying" to do the right thing he intentionally hurt her. The possible reasons have already been mentioned many times. That's the sore point I think.

Regarding Martha Kent's advise I think she's barking up the wrong tree. Lana is the only person Clark has trully wanted to tell about his secret. He felt compelled, rightly or wrongly to tell Pete and Chloe found out through Alicia. He wanted to tell Lana at the end of Season 3. He still didn't feel a need to tell Chloe at this stage.

Regarding Lana running to Lex, that's reasonable. He's always "appeared" to be supportive of her and whenever she has pressed him, even told her most of the truth. After someone you've loved deeply and for a long time crushes you (note, not just breaking up) then running to a friend it perfectly normal. It's not like she's intimate with Lex in the same episode.

EDIT: Regarding Lana keeping secrets from Clark...

Like what? The plans about the spaceship? When he busted her she came 100% clean. Her investigation into the meteor showers? Once again, she came clean. On the flip side whenever Lana confronts Clark he avoids/deflects/lies.

After this episode it's very difficult to defend the actions of Smallville Clark (see Smallville Legacy thread). Damn it! :)

I like what you said at the beginning of your post, I think that is a very good point.

Speaking of the 'Smallville Legacy..'thread...you'll think of something;)

hbkid21

03-31-2006, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Bugbait
Regarding Lana running to Lex, that's reasonable. He's always "appeared" to be supportive of her and whenever she has pressed him, even told her most of the truth. After someone you've loved deeply and for a long time crushes you (note, not just breaking up) then running to a friend it perfectly normal. It's not like she's intimate with Lex in the same episode.

EDIT: Regarding Lana keeping secrets from Clark...

Like what? The plans about the spaceship? When he busted her she came 100% clean. Her investigation into the meteor showers? Once again, she came clean. On the flip side whenever Lana confronts Clark he avoids/deflects/lies.

After this episode it's very difficult to defend the actions of Smallville Clark (see Smallville Legacy thread). Damn it! :)

Lana running to Lex is not at all reasonable. I know he helping her investigate the spaceship and all, but how do you run to someones that your boyfriend really doesn't like. Not to mention she KNOWS Lex investigated Clark(Hidden). And why does Lex have to be the first to know? I understand Clark for keeping his secret from Lana(this season anyway) unlike a lot of people. As soon as Clark told her in Reckoning, Lex figure out she knew because her and Lex are real close so go figure. And Lex is a smart guy. Even if Clark didn't propose, Lex would of known she knew. You can't tell your secret to someone who close with you nemesis. That like giving candy to a kid with cavities.

cotton candy girl

03-31-2006, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by CallMeClark
I actually was mad at how he handled the situation. He broke her heart...

I agree. :mad:

SnarkMasterJ

03-31-2006, 09:12 AM

True enough, what Clark said was harsh. But Lana didn't really leave him any other choice. He started off saying that they shouldn't be together, and she basically forced him to say he didn't love her. What else was he supposed to do? Say he does love her and he didn't mean what he just said, making him even more of a liar? She was selfish to demand that of him rather than realizing that maybe he was right.

She's also very naive to think that love, in and of itself, is enough to fix the problems in their relationship. Just like he was naive to think he could stay in a relationship with her for this long and not be honest with her.

They're a match made in syndicated hell.

Bugbait

03-31-2006, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Lana has always gotten upset with people because they hide things from her, even when they come clean after being busted. For her, the initial lie is just as bad as the deflection/avoidance. She's lied and kept secrets herself, so that makes her a hypocrite.

She starts off upset and then forgives them once they tell the truth, that's what I've always witnessed. It would be the same with Clark if he actually got to the truth telling stage. Remember Reckoning? After all those years of lies she didn't hold it against him. Sure, she yells and accuses Lex a lot (sometimes with reason) but after he tells her the truth she has forgiven him, which is why they're still friends.

Now consider that she has often forgiven Clark and still offers to wait for him even when he hasn't told her the truth, and in this episode he blatantly lies to her it's still her fault how?

Originally posted by hbkid21
Lana running to Lex is not at all reasonable. I know he helping her investigate the spaceship and all, but how do you run to someones that your boyfriend really doesn't like. Not to mention she KNOWS Lex investigated Clark(Hidden). And why does Lex have to be the first to know? I understand Clark for keeping his secret from Lana(this season anyway) unlike a lot of people. As soon as Clark told her in Reckoning, Lex figure out she knew because her and Lex are real close so go figure. And Lex is a smart guy. Even if Clark didn't propose, Lex would of known she knew. You can't tell your secret to someone who close with you nemesis. That like giving candy to a kid with cavities.

Considering Clark hides almost all his emotions from Lana and refuses to be honest with her and has no hard proof that Lex is a bad man (that he has shared with her anyway) why should she stay away from him? Sure, she knows Lex has investigated Clark and he's openly told her on many occasions that he thinks Clark is hiding a big secret, which she also believes. Why would she hate him for it?

Lex was drunk when he "attacked" Lana in Reckoning but also realised he was wrong and attempted to apologise which ultimately contributed partially to her accident and death. However, this was not malicious. Would he have used it against Clark? Maybe, but would he have harmed Lana to get to Clark? Debatable, since he's not the Ubah Evil Lex yet.

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
True enough, what Clark said was harsh. But Lana didn't really leave him any other choice. He started off saying that they shouldn't be together, and she basically forced him to say he didn't love her. What else was he supposed to do? Say he does love her and he didn't mean what he just said, making him even more of a liar? She was selfish to demand that of him rather than realizing that maybe he was right.

She's also very naive to think that love, in and of itself, is enough to fix the problems in their relationship. Just like he was naive to think he could stay in a relationship with her for this long and not be honest with her.

They're a match made in syndicated hell.

No, he had the choice of being honest and decided to take the easy way out. How many times have his friends told him that Lana may not be as weak or fragile as he suspects? I know Chlole tells him repeatedly. Chloe even tells him that it's Lana's choice and he should give her the benefit of the doubt.

Any relationship is based on trust, whether it's romantic or not. She wanted to know if he still loved her so she could try to understand why it wasn't working and why he couldn't trust her. That's perfectly reasonable. When you love someone you don't easily give up on them so if he did still love her like he claimed in Cyborg then she would stay. Clark knew this but there are better ways to break it off.

I doubt Lana believes that their love for each other is enough. In fact their lack of communication is the breakdown and they both know and acknowledge it (ie. Cyborg again). Even if they can't be together romantically they could remain friends but the way Clark broke it off with her that's going to be hard to rectify. It's easier for Clark if she hates him but not the best road to take.

Jokerisdaking

03-31-2006, 10:24 AM

I feel like im repeating myself here but it was established by the conversation with Martha that Clark simply doesnt feel like Lana is the one he can spend the rest of his life with anymore so he did what was fair to both of them and ended it. That he proposed in Reckoning is immaterial, feelings can change and its been established for awhile that Clark has begun to feel estranged from Lana. Clana fans just dont want to recognize this, they dont want to admit that Clark doesnt feel that way for her anymore. Well im a clana fan and i've managed to accept it. Also as for this "he should just tell her" business. Why? If he realizes that their not meant to be then what point is there in sharing the secret now? Especially with the way she's hanging out with Lex who has shown unequivocably his villianous colors this season.

JorEl23

03-31-2006, 10:35 AM

there are some hard truths that us clana fans are forced to face and maybe its the romantic in me speaking but the clana breakup DOES suck and unless TPTB get this delicate transition right (including NOT making lexana a long standing item) i am going to have a hard time liking the show in the same way...

it feels like we are on the precipice between Superman II and III. If Al/Miles throw in too much of these moronic plotlines ala lexana the elements of what we love will still be there but the story will pretty much bite!!

Offworlder 1

03-31-2006, 10:40 AM

Another moaning and groaning from the clana fans. Not that I'm not happy but its a cold hard written in stone fact that Clark and Lana will NEVER end up together. If the creaters saw Lana as the perfect soulmate for Clark they would have written the comic that way but guess what they didn't. There was probaly a large debt over it years ago when Superman was at that crossroad but they choose Lois.

Lana is also what keeps him tied to Smallville since shes shown after shes left for a short time and came back she likes it there and Clark is meant to leave smallvile for a greater good. Clark would never be the hero he becomes if he stayed with Lana cause of her inability to not help herself if in trouble , Lois can and does as is shown in varies comics and somewhat in Smallville.

Sorry Clana fans but its over , Clark needs to be a man and get out in the real world accept who he is and move on to bigger and better things.

Supergirl Jam

03-31-2006, 10:49 AM

Jokerisdaking

03-31-2006, 11:02 AM

Aloof

03-31-2006, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by eas
I'd rather see a Lexana make-out session.

So would I! :p

Watching Smallville

03-31-2006, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Jokerisdaking
I feel like im repeating myself here but it was established by the conversation with Martha that Clark simply doesnt feel like Lana is the one he can spend the rest of his life with anymore so he did what was fair to both of them and ended it. That he proposed in Reckoning is immaterial, feelings can change and its been established for awhile that Clark has begun to feel estranged from Lana. Clana fans just dont want to recognize this, they dont want to admit that Clark doesnt feel that way for her anymore. Well im a clana fan and i've managed to accept it. Also as for this "he should just tell her" business. Why? If he realizes that their not meant to be then what point is there in sharing the secret now? Especially with the way she's hanging out with Lex who has shown unequivocably his villianous colors this season.
I agree with you Jokerisdaking. I think if Clark were more confident in the relationship, he would have done something different. But I think the events in Reckoning have affected him -- not only that he lost his dad, but that Lana left to see Lex. Those things are bound to affect the way he feels. So the marriage proposal -- which was to some extent out of desperation -- has been overidden by these other events.

cotton candy girl

03-31-2006, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Jokerisdaking
Completely agree, Clana is over, it needed to be over, and i think the breakup was handled very well, Clark being a man about it.

Oh, him lying to her face was being a man?

Watching Smallville

03-31-2006, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Oh, him lying to her face was being a man?
I think Clark making a decision was being a man. He needed to tell her the truth or let her go.

cotton candy girl

03-31-2006, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Offworlder 1
Another moaning and groaning from the clana fans. Not that I'm not happy but its a cold hard written in stone fact that Clark and Lana will NEVER end up together. If the creaters saw Lana as the perfect soulmate for Clark they would have written the comic that way but guess what they didn't. There was probaly a large debt over it years ago when Superman was at that crossroad but they choose Lois.

Lana is also what keeps him tied to Smallville since shes shown after shes left for a short time and came back she likes it there and Clark is meant to leave smallvile for a greater good. Clark would never be the hero he becomes if he stayed with Lana cause of her inability to not help herself if in trouble , Lois can and does as is shown in varies comics and somewhat in Smallville.

Sorry Clana fans but its over , Clark needs to be a man and get out in the real world accept who he is and move on to bigger and better things.

So why not allow us to moan and groan and not worry about what we do? I'm sad, and I'll admit it. Why can't I be sad and vent my frustration about the way TPTB have written this relationship? For non-Clana fans it's easy to say let him move on, but when a person has been waiting for them to be in a relationship, and they finally are, and it's written like this, it's hard not to be upset.

I accept Lois (not necessarily EdLois) and the fact that in METROPOLIS they are together. But tell me why Clark and Lana has to end right now. I don't believe it does. It doesn't have to end until it's toward the end of the series. And I don't think Clana is really over. How many times have we heard it before?

netlynn

03-31-2006, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I think Clark making a decision was being a man. He needed to tell her the truth or let her go.

But he didn't tell her the truth....he lied again! He said he didn't love her and he still does!

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
So why not allow us to moan and groan and not worry about what we do? I'm sad, and I'll admit it. Why can't I be sad and vent my frustration about the way TPTB have written this relationship? For non-Clana fans it's easy to say let him move on, but when a person has been waiting for them to be in a relationship, and they finally are, and it's written like this, it's hard not to be upset.

I accept Lois (not necessarily EdLois) and the fact that in METROPOLIS they are together. But tell me why Clark and Lana has to end right now. I don't believe it does. It doesn't have to end until it's toward the end of the series. And I don't think Clana is really over. How many times have we heard it before?

Well said Cotton Candy Girl:)

Watching Smallville

03-31-2006, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by netlynn
But he didn't tell her the truth....he lied again! He said he didn't love her and he still does!
It's possible his feelings have changed. From his conversation with Martha, I would believe that.

I'm not saying Clark didn't mess up. I think he did -- but he messed up a few episodes back. Whatever he did after Hidden was the big mistake, when he got his powers back and didn't say anything. He let things go so long that he painted himself into a corner where there was no honorable way to break up with Lana. At this point, I see what he did in Hypnotic as the only way to end it -- if he wasn't going to tell her the truth.

F-Stop Blues

03-31-2006, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by netlynn
But he didn't tell her the truth....he lied again! He said he didn't love her and he still does!

Does he though. He didnt really deny that she might not be the one to Martha and he didnt tell Lana that he's inlove with her in Cyborg. He will always love her, that we know is true but maybe he's not inlove with her anymore. It is possible.

I think right now Clark thinks that he cant be with anyone ever. But I think he just falls inlove with Lois without outright looking for a romance. Plus when he decides to be 2 people (Clark and Superman) then he can be with someone.

cotton candy girl

03-31-2006, 12:11 PM

The honorable way to break up with Lana would have been to tell her the truth.

Watching Smallville

03-31-2006, 12:14 PM

I agree -- but he decided not to -- for her own safety. We can't have it both ways. Either he's right to keep the secret and protect her -- and that leads to the break up... OR it's not legit for him to keep the secret to protect her.

At this point, I'm too confused to have an opinion about whether he should tell her. People have good arguments on both sides. I keep changing my mind about it.

angelfire east

03-31-2006, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
For non-Clana fans it's easy to say let him move on, but when a person has been waiting for them to be in a relationship, and they finally are, and it's written like this, it's hard not to be upset.

But tell me why Clark and Lana has to end right now.

I don't believe it does. It doesn't have to end until it's toward the end of the series. And I don't think Clana is really over. How many times have we heard it before?

Not just clana fans are unhappy it's been written like this. Ever since this season started Clark has gone more and more down hill. And a lot of that is involved with clana (the way he treats lana). I really don't know who tptb think people will buy this Clark Kent ever becoming Superman (remember superman and Clark are the same person so....)

Clana has to end right now because of the stupid lex/lana/clark love traingal(sp). I've not even getting into how much I hate that love traingal. Also because tptb are so in love with angst:rolleyes: Another thing I hate.

Clana isn't over, it's going to be draged out till the end of the show. I don't believe anymore that near the end of the show there will just be clana friendship (use to believe that back in season 1).

I agree how many times have we heared "it's over" and it's still dragged on and on and on and on

cotton candy girl

03-31-2006, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east
Not just clana fans are unhappy it's been written like this. Ever since this season started Clark has gone more and more down hill. And a lot of that is involved with clana (the way he treats lana). I really don't know who tptb think people will buy this Clark Kent ever becoming Superman (remember superman and Clark are the same person so....)

Clana has to end right now because of the stupid lex/lana/clark love traingal(sp). I've not even getting into how much I hate that love traingal. Also because tptb are so in love with angst:rolleyes: Another thing I hate.

Clana isn't over, it's going to be draged out till the end of the show. I don't believe anymore that near the end of the show there will just be clana friendship (use to believe that back in season 1).

I agree how many times have we heared "it's over" and it's still dragged on and on and on and on

We agree on this. I don't even like Clark much right now; he's supposed to become Superman?

Watching Smallville, I'm in the camp that says he should tell her. He has to protect everyone close to him anyway. And look at Chloe. Is it really realistic that she's pretty much unscathed?

netlynn

03-31-2006, 12:33 PM

I agree with Cotton Candy Girl I go to the same camp! He should tell Lana already!

angelfire east

03-31-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
We agree on this. I don't even like Clark much right now; he's supposed to become Superman?

Watching Smallville, I'm in the camp that says he should tell her. He has to protect everyone close to him anyway. And look at Chloe. Is it really realistic that she's pretty much unscathed?

I haven't liked Clark in a very long time:(

I don't buy this "can't tell her because it'll put her in danger" excase Clark has. If he told her everything, and I mean everything! Not just his secret, he needs to tell her all about Lex and all that stuff. Lana can and would cut herself off from wihtout letting on she knows the sercet (if she was smart about (telling him she knows what he did in Mortal to her and the Kents and just not talking to him again)). Besides Lex knows Chloe knows the secret and still alive. Lex is in love with Lana (she knows this) so he wouldn't kill her or anything. The only reason things went down so bad in Rackoning is because Lex was drunk. A sober Lex wouldn't out right hurt Lana ecause 1.) he loves her, 2.) he won't risk losting a chance at knowing; he's rather try manulate(sp) her.

LexLuthorMetropolis

03-31-2006, 12:34 PM

This break up should have happened ages ago. They just dragged out the relationship to the point, where it really wasn't a relationship at all and did an awful job with it.

muffinpeddler

03-31-2006, 12:36 PM

i think every possible opinion and theory has been repeated at least three times by now.

LexLuthorMetropolis

03-31-2006, 12:43 PM

Yeap, beating a dead horse. :)

F-Stop Blues

03-31-2006, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by angelfire east

I agree how many times have we heared "it's over" and it's still dragged on and on and on and on

Word. We all remember the promises in season 3 and 4.

Timester

03-31-2006, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
i think every possible opinion and theory has been repeated at least three times by now.

That happens when we have a Adam-like horse in the show. Poor Stompy. :(

thmallville

03-31-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Jokerisdaking
Completely agree, Clana is over, it needed to be over, and i think the breakup was handled very well, Clark being a man about it.

Wow... what a man..... I'm sure I want every single guy who ever breaks up with me to do it the same way Clark did... I mean smashing a girls heart into 10000000 tiny pieves is really the way to go...

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I think Clark making a decision was being a man. He needed to tell her the truth or let her go.

But..... he wasn't a man!! He lied to her face AGAIN!!!!! He made a decision to crush her so he woudlnt' have to lie to her anymore, and by doing so he LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really want to kill TPTB right now... not just because of the Clana break-up (which had me in tears) but because of all the stupid non-reasons

Timester

03-31-2006, 01:05 PM

Now we can to the point I always said, Clana is bad for Clark, Lana and the show.

Fly by guy

03-31-2006, 01:32 PM

I thought earlier I might have been harsh in my comments about Clark, so I rewatched all his scenes in the episode. Now I realize I am not only mad at Clark, but Martha, Lois, Lex, and Lana. At least I still like Chloe who performed admirably again, giving good advice and kicking some butt. I'm glad Jonathon isn't around to see this mess. Smashing the heart of someone who is obviously deeply in love with you make a person a heartless bastard. Martha turning to Lionel, Lana to Lex, and Lois beign useless and rude as usual is making SV hard to watch.
Of course breaking up is hard, especially when there is such a long history and still alot of love left. I don't think Brainiac, Zod, or the fortress can save me now. Come on season 6 and maybe I'll get the Rectification that Jor-el mentioned, and I don't mean a person's death.

gottaralane

03-31-2006, 01:42 PM

Don´t you think that maybe Clark is hurt too because the way he broke up with her. I think it´s very unfair that you people blame Clark for all that went wrong in this relationship "cause he doesn´t tell her the truth" He has reasons people, he knows how is Lana, we know how is Lana we know that she is the target for all meteor freaks, kidnappers, obbsesed friends etc and knpwing Clark´s secret even more the next time she gets trapped by one of this beings she is going to die (I know she isn´t going to say anything) Look what happened in Reckoning she couldn´t spend a day with the secret when at the end she was dead. She can´t hide anything, how Lex knew that she was hidding something? Come on is Lex Lex!!! the guy who allways is fooled by Clark and his stupid excuses.
If you want to keep Lana on the show you should accept the fact that she can´t know Clark´s secret otherwise she necesarily had to leave it just like Pete.
What TPTB are doing is endig Clana (in a good or bad way) cause they are finally hearing tha people and maybe the actors who are sick of the way that this relationship is developping.
They are ending Clana cause surely they want to start with Clark´s destiny , I´m not saying that they are moving to Clois but
they are heading to a place in which Clark can focous in being superman and finally realising that Lana is not the only girl in the world, that he has a lot of choices, he has Chloe he has Lois two beautifoul and smat women Martha suggest this when she said that maybe Lana is not the one and Clark is learning that in the hard way. Ok this maybe will happen in season 6
At first Clana was wonderfoul to see but since season 4 is getting ridiculous I´m so glad that finally they end this romantic Clana, I totally can see a Clana friendship but a romantic?? I don´t think so.

Watching Smallville

03-31-2006, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by thmallville
But..... he wasn't a man!! He lied to her face AGAIN!!!!! He made a decision to crush her so he woudlnt' have to lie to her anymore, and by doing so he LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really want to kill TPTB right now... not just because of the Clana break-up (which had me in tears) but because of all the stupid non-reasons
I see your point, but I have a question. With Lana saying she's williing to wait as long as it takes, and Clark deciding he's not going to tell her the truth about himself, what did you want him to do? I'm really asking, because I don't see how the satisfying break-up would play out.

kikidee

03-31-2006, 02:14 PM

I thought that after a full day to calm down that I could see things more rationally. Nope! Still Pissed!

This is Smallville people. When I'm ready to see superman flying around Lois, I'll go to the movies and watch the bad remake of Superman this summer.

Aloof

03-31-2006, 02:23 PM

Off topic, but why does everyone said the word 'Word'. It's not cool for adults to say it, it sounds to ghetto, mainly kids say it. :eek:

muffinpeddler

03-31-2006, 02:42 PM

Maybe *GASP* Some us are kids! (I'm 16)

Violas

03-31-2006, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by ferd
"I don't love you." :eek:

Bye bye sunset. Bye bye Lana.

*climbs off the rollercoaster and throws up*

Um, she's saying it's over?! Uh, he just said he didn't love her first. I think he has dibs on that break up.

I got this impression

Clark broke up with her but then she said to him that " It's over forever". So the thing is that Clark broke up temporary ( maybe he thought that at the moment ) but when Lana say "It's over forever"....the look on Clarks face was a surprised one, he realized that it was over forever :(

What do u guys think about this theory?

LuckyKrypto

03-31-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Violas
I got this impression

Clark broke up with her but then she said to him that " It's over forever". So the thing is that Clark broke up temporary ( maybe he thought that at the moment ) but when Lana say "It's over forever"....the look on Clarks face was a surprised one, he realized that it was over forever :(

What do u guys think about this theory?

That's funny, I thought I was just reading Clark wrong, but I thought there for a moment that his expression reflected what you said there. Almost as if it really sunk in to him that this is it. It's over. Maybe he thought they would still be friends or something or he expected a different response from her, I couldn't tell. But he did seem surprised I thought by her reaction.

cmm

03-31-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Violas
I got this impression

Clark broke up with her but then she said to him that " It's over forever". So the thing is that Clark broke up temporary ( maybe he thought that at the moment ) but when Lana say "It's over forever"....the look on Clarks face was a surprised one, he realized that it was over forever :(

What do u guys think about this theory?

I thought her saying it's over forever was a bit redundant IMO. But what makes it worse is that the breakup could of been smoother if she had not asked him to look into her eyes and say that he didn't love her. Then she wouldnt' have felt as burned as she did. Ergo imo nobody wouldn't feel as mad as they are now.

Violas

03-31-2006, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by cmm
I thought her saying it's over forever was a bit redundant IMO. But what makes it worse is that the breakup could of been smoother if she had not asked him to look into her eyes and say that he didn't love her. Then she wouldnt' have felt as burned as she did. Ergo imo nobody wouldn't feel as mad as they are now.

Yeah that part when Lana said, "look me into the eyes and say that u dont love me", you could almost guess that lana would say something like that, if im not wrong she has said something similar before?
Anyway it was pretty ruff to look her into the eyes and say that he dont love her when she loves him madly. But immediately after he said it u could see how she first was devastated then u could se how much she hated him in a dark way ( kind of Anakin turning into Darth Vader way :P .

Jokerisdaking

03-31-2006, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by thmallville
Wow... what a man..... I'm sure I want every single guy who ever breaks up with me to do it the same way Clark did... I mean smashing a girls heart into 10000000 tiny pieves is really the way to go...

It wasnt working, Calrk realized their relationship had no real future to it, knowing that Clark realized that the best thing for both of them was to end it, he did.

And i wish people would stop telling me he should tell her about his powers

1. Their no longer any of her business
2. The truth killed her last time
3. She's spending a lot of her time with Lex who has shown his villainous ways, how does he know that somewhere along the line she wouldnt tell him.

smallvillerocks45

03-31-2006, 06:36 PM

I know it was kind of harsh (the way Clark broke up with her), but I just can't help but wonder why it was so depressing for her. In Reckoning, she said she wanted a break and then told Lex that she and Clark had just had their last fight. Suddenly, Clark's father dies and they're dating again. It sounds more like the Whitney situation, where she dated him out of guilt...I'm seriously starting to think that Lana is more upset with the fact that Clark broke up with her, not the other way around.

Oh, and by the way, I'm a huge Clana fan, but I can't stand it when they fight and talk about the same stuff over and over again. Every conversation was about the same thing- "Tell me the truth. What truth? Nevermind, let's go be "alone". I can't. . . oh. okay. Maybe tomorrow then? Maybe."
Mortal Clana - excellent. Post hidden- was just okay. It had it's moments, but it was bound to end.

Aloof

03-31-2006, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
Maybe *GASP* Some us are kids! (I'm 16)

I'm 16, too. But other people who are way older than us are saying it. Not cool!

MBCorp

03-31-2006, 06:45 PM

Is saying "word" really ghetto? :lol: Um, anyway, I say "word" because it's short and to the point. I guess I could say something more adult though like, "I thoroughly agree with your statement concerning the subject matter at hand" I'll do that next time instead of saying, "Word!" :p:p:p

But I would never, ever say, "Word" in real life, OMG. Just when I post on ksite.:p :lol:

muffinpeddler

03-31-2006, 07:05 PM

true. I don't say "LOL" instead of laughing in real life. LOL!

shirkie

03-31-2006, 07:36 PM

Once I DID start to LOL in real life-- and I quickly choked it back down my esophagus!!
shirkie

Thil_EL

03-31-2006, 07:58 PM

off discussion question
when lana basially begged for sex
what did clark say? something about rain ?

justsaynotokryptonite

03-31-2006, 08:26 PM

I'm not mad about the breakup...if it gets clark to move on then im all for it...what i am mad about is that fact that lex always "wins"...he always gets away with the smooth on the DL bastardness....how bout a score for the good guy once in a while writers!!

LovelyLoisLane

03-31-2006, 09:52 PM

Here are my thoughts on it.

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Bitter-sweet ending huh? BITTER-SWEET ENDING!?! More like a knife right into the clana fans hearts. Heck, that wasn't bitter, it was gut wrenching!

I've never been a Clana or Lana fan, but I agree. Clark has become a sniveling coward who lies more about the normal issues in his life than he does about his origins.

If he hadn't have known that he had to further the split he acted like he would have let the issue with Simone never be uncovered and that he would have preferred Chloe to never set the issue straight and let that event do the legwork. Thusly preferring to keep someone he had feelings for in the dark instead of enlightening them.

However, knowing that he might actually have to get his poor little hands dirty he instead lied to her face. (am I the only one that finds it disturbing that a boy that is suppose to become Superman, a Superman that tells Lois Lane "I never lie.",can lie so easily?) Hardest thing he had to do my @ss. I haven't been this disgusted with one of his blatant lies since "Spirit" where he lied to Chloe's face and told her the reason he showed up at the prom was because he would've regretted not seeing her with a tiara on, when in actuality the only reason he went was because Dawn!Lois dragged him there.

In Gough's interview he calls Clark's break up to be a heroic thing . . . bull sh*t! That was one of the more cowardly ways I've seen it done. It would've been only slightly more cowardly if he had broken up with Lana on a Post-It note. At least the Post-It would have been a cheerful color. If he didn't want to risk a relationship with her fine, but that was a p*ss poor way to end things and he didn't even bother going into depth about his reasons either.

"I just can't see this relationship going any further, I'll always care about you, but I just can't see us being anything more than friends. It was wrong of me to string you along for so long, but I guess there was just a part of me that was hoping things would work out, but then I started to realize that I was putting forth all this effort to make something work that I hadn't even noticed that what I was fighting for wasn't something that was ever going to work out. Any words I would say to express how sorry I am just aren't enough . . .I hope you can forgive me and find someone in your life that can love you the way you deserve to be loved."

Those were the parting words of Callister (not verbatim because it’s been awhile since the read but I think the above is fairly close) in a very old novel I read back in the seventh grade called "Game of Chance" I remember that many of my classmates, especially the girls, thought Callister had taken the cowards way out, but in truth thinking on last night's debacle it seems a far more heartfelt admission than Clark's.

It's hard to cheer on a coward that feels telling someone a lie in two sentences or less is the way to go and then later lamenting that he ran away with his tail between his legs over a cup of tea. He should write a book titled "The quickest way to git 'er done in one minute or less!" or take a note from the Happy Bunny. "It's not you, it's me. I'm dishonest and I like it that way . . and your hair is ugly."

It's about time for the REAL future Superman to show his face and let a giant kryptonite anvil fall from the sky and crush this doppleganger into mushy bits.

Bugbait

04-01-2006, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by Jokerisdaking
And i wish people would stop telling me he should tell her about his powers

1. Their no longer any of her business
2. The truth killed her last time
3. She's spending a lot of her time with Lex who has shown his villainous ways, how does he know that somewhere along the line she wouldnt tell him.

1. Considering they're not even friends any more you're probably right.

2. No it didn't. Rewatch Reckoning. If Clark kept status quo between the first and second half Lana would've died again. She was fated to die. Remember that episode in S2 (I think) where the FotW could see how people died? It's heavily implied that Clark is special in that he can alter fate/destiny. If he hadn't stopped the bus the second time Lana would've died all over again. His direct intervention saved her.

3. If Lana understood the dangers then she would be in a better position to portect him like Chloe does. I'm actually hoping this is the case. I'd like to see Lexana just so Lana has the opportunity to grow into a better, more useful character.

Nightvision

04-01-2006, 07:41 AM

Even though I'm a Lexana shipper, I have to say that the writers did a terrible job breaking Clana apart. I feel real bad for the Clana shippers out there.

I am glad, however that it's over but annoyed with the way they did it. They should have made it better and given it a respectful ending.

I really hope, since I agree with Aloof that Lexana is like gold for us shippers (Seeing that Clana had a lot more action than Lexana did.), that the writers really make it beautifully written. I mean, if they did, I think it can be a great.

I'm also hoping that Lana being with Lex will make her more of a thrilling character. :D

SirJono

04-01-2006, 09:27 AM

I would have rather he came clean with her, then just walk away.
he could always break up with her, but it's like they never really had a relatopnship. I never understood why they got back together ("there's some parts of me I can't explain", basically meaning "I'm still gonna lie but you're ok with it now")
I'm just glad it's over, and they'd better not try bringing it back. season 5 clana has been a waste of valuable screentime, compared to what it could have been.

abc123

04-01-2006, 09:50 AM

im new here, but here are my two cents. i am a clana fan, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SHOW ONLY, that is, i think that the best way to finish off smallville (which i think will happen next season) is for clark and lana to be together, at least for a good chunk of it. lemme try to convince you. I think that the whole clark and lana relationship this season has served a double purpose. this first is to drive clarks development and to create tension in the show (which it does pertty well). the second is all about lex. this show is supposed to be about how clark AND lex become who they will be, and lana is central to both of those developments. starting with lex...this whole season he has been getting closer to the dark side, but also closer to what he wants: the truth....and lana lang. both of these desires drive different parts of lex...the search for the truth is what he feels is his path to become great, to transcend the limitations of his humanity (all those near misses that began with him hitting clark etc). lana on the other hand is lex's only remaining connection to humanity. she represents the goodeness that he wants out of life (like his dream in Lexmas). the irony is that to win lana, lex has been thoroughly evil. i think that when lana finds out what he has done( which i hope she will this season) it will sever his last link with his good side and hurl him totally into the wonderfully evil and brilliant lex we all want to see. hes going to know that his obsession with the truth is more powerful than anythign else and will no longer be bound by any level of morality. i think taht lana is the perfect way for this to happen and i hope that the writers realize this.
if you are still reading this, lets move on to clark. the reason i think that at least for a good long chunk of whats left of this show (including season 6) clark and lana should have a good normal relationship -- and that means lana knowing clarks secret -- is that lana ends up having the opposite effect on clark. she represents his link to humanity. in my favorite versions of the superman mythology (and there are many) everyone always refers to clarks greatest gift as being his connection to humanity despite being so different and powerful. i think taht the point of this message is that despite his godlike powers he is still grounded and understands that his powers are just tools -- tools that can either help or harm. its his connection to his human side that ensures that he will always use his gifts for good. a huge part of this connection, in the versions of the early superman mythos that i like best and where i think smallville should go, is his relationship with lana. through that relationship he learns about loving someone, his responsibilities to taht person, and also about his unique situation and that sometimes he has to sacrifice what he wants because his power also means that he has greater responsibilities ( sorry for the spiderman rip). hearing these things from jonathan and martha are one thing, but experiencing them is another. thats one thing that i think 'smallville' got right -- clark doesnt just obey JK and MK, he has to feel things out for himself. the clark lana breakup is clarks low point, but i think that the right place to go with it from here is to have clark go even lower...into self doubt, mistakes, etc. he thinks that the only safe course of action is to keep everyone as far from him as possible so that they dont get hurt, but what ends up happening is that he ends up alone and totally disconnected from humanity, and this disconnect is his lowest point. hes left with a lot of power but no sense of how to live his life because the most important of hi human relationships are always denied to him. this is clarks true lowest point and i think seeing that in the show would be fantastic. i hope that this coincides with the season finale/next season premiere where we see clark all messed up and totally defeated by zod/braniac/lex and really just willing to give up. i know a lot of ppl wont agree with this, but i think it has to be lana who saves him at this point. i hope that lana sees clark totally beaten and destroyed, and that she tells him that she still cares for him and that whatever his secrets she still wants to be with him and that he should trust her. at this point clark should reveal the truth about being kal-el and lana should be the one that convinces him to get back up and keep going. this would re-establish his connection to humanity in the most powerful way and set up the beginning of shi true transformation into superman, which is based on a good, happy life and a belief in human goodness. evenually this role is played by lois, but i think the worst thig the show could do would be to bring clark and lois closer together. taht is the exact opposite of the shows philosophy, which is the formation of personalities of clark and lex. lois falls in love with an adult clark and an adult superman. she is clarks endgame, not what helps form his personality. thats lana's job. sorry for the absurd length, just wanted to get that out and see what people think. or maybe im a writer for the show and im just testing out ideas...

Bugbait

04-01-2006, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by abc123
im new here, but here are my two cents. i am a clana fan, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SHOW ONLY, that is, i think that the best way to finish off smallville (which i think will happen next season) is for clark and lana to be together, at least for a good chunk of it. lemme try to convince you.

/snip

Nicely articulated ideas. Only thing I personally would change is Clark telling Lana his secret, I think she needs to discover it herself for various reasons previously covered.

One tip: Paragraphs are your friend. That huge block of text was painful on the eyes.

Jokerisdaking

04-01-2006, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Bugbait
1. Considering they're not even friends any more you're probably right.

2. No it didn't. Rewatch Reckoning. If Clark kept status quo between the first and second half Lana would've died again. She was fated to die. Remember that episode in S2 (I think) where the FotW could see how people died? It's heavily implied that Clark is special in that he can alter fate/destiny. If he hadn't stopped the bus the second time Lana would've died all over again. His direct intervention saved her.

3. If Lana understood the dangers then she would be in a better position to portect him like Chloe does. I'm actually hoping this is the case. I'd like to see Lexana just so Lana has the opportunity to grow into a better, more useful character.

2. Your right, i was unclear on this point, Clark thinks the truth killed her last time.

3. But would she? Thats the real question, Im nit sure Miss "secrets are bad" Lang wouldbe willing to keep this from Lex now, not when their on this crusade to find alien life.

Supermangeek

04-01-2006, 10:04 AM

Wasn't Clark ready to get married to her only a few episodes ago? Now - he suddenly isn't in love with her. How convenient.

Bugbait

04-01-2006, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Jokerisdaking
2. Your right, i was unclear on this point, Clark thinks the truth killed her last time.

3. But would she? Thats the real question, Im nit sure Miss "secrets are bad" Lang wouldbe willing to keep this from Lex now, not when their on this crusade to find alien life.

2. Yeah, Clark thinks the truth killed her but he's wrong :). His judgement is being clouded by his guilt and emotion (ie. Seeing her dead must be lingering in his mind). Some would say he's just being stupid and I'd have to partially agree.

3. Lana lives by the philosophy that lies and secrets shouldn't exist between friends and especially loved ones. This is not unreasonable. If she knew Lex had bad intentions and also knew Clark's secret then I think she would be able to keep it from Lex. Sure, she did a crappy job of it in Reckoning but it's not like Lex got any specifics from her. He seemed more angry that she wouldn't share after he had helped her, something that wouldn't have happened if Clark was honest but we're going in circles. Then again, at this point Lana is not aware of Lex's true nature. This is why she needs to get closer to him and get burned.

Originally posted by Supermangeek
Wasn't Clark ready to get married to her only a few episodes ago? Now - he suddenly isn't in love with her. How convenient.

Watching Hypnotic again it's clear that he still loves her deeply. Watch the scene where Lana tells him "It's over, forever" and you can see him almost want to change his mind. He's just going about it all the wrong way but I do see a possible story arc coming from this.

Jokerisdaking

04-01-2006, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Supermangeek
Wasn't Clark ready to get married to her only a few episodes ago? Now - he suddenly isn't in love with her. How convenient.

Like i posted ealrier that is immaterial, feelings can and do change.

Also, to all the people who think he was cowardly in his breakup what do you think he should have said?

Lana, you should know im an alien, I have super powers, yeah ive been lying to you about that for years but my parents told me to do it, ive saved your life like billion times over the past five years, I used to love you alot and even wanted to marry you at one point but now i realize your not "the one", well im glad that's done, by the way dont tell people im an alien.

His secret is no longer any of her business so its dumb to suggest he tll her it in his breakup speech. Secondly, the talk with Martha showed us that Clark does in fact not want to e with her anymore and thats what he tod her.

abc123

04-01-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Bugbait
Nicely articulated ideas. Only thing I personally would change is Clark telling Lana his secret, I think she needs to discover it herself for various reasons previously covered.

One tip: Paragraphs are your friend. That huge block of text was painful on the eyes.

sorry about the huge block of text.

as for lana figuring it out for herself...
i semi agree. i was thinking that this would make for a better few scenes (certainly less akward) but i think that it kinda defeats the purpose of clark telling her, and ths trusting her. anyhow, it was just a thought.

i really do hope that lana discovering that lex manipulated the situation is what drives him over the edge.

hbkid21

04-01-2006, 11:02 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bugbait
[B]
2. No it didn't. Rewatch Reckoning. If Clark kept status quo between the first and second half Lana would've died again. She was fated to die. Remember that episode in S2 (I think) where the FotW could see how people died? It's heavily implied that Clark is special in that he can alter fate/destiny. If he hadn't stopped the bus the second time Lana would've died all over again. His direct intervention saved her.

Actully, the second time around Lois was suppose to die. Remember Clark went up stairs to find her on the floor. Lana saved her the first time around when she was falling. Clark save her the second time around from being shock to pieces. When Clark did that, then fate change and it was Lana turn.

Bugbait

04-01-2006, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by hbkid21
[BActully, the second time around Lois was suppose to die. Remember Clark went up stairs to find her on the floor. Lana saved her the first time around when she was falling. Clark save her the second time around from being shock to pieces. When Clark did that, then fate change and it was Lana turn. [/B]

Although I agree about Lois the connection to Lana's accident is not direct. If Clark hadn't saved Lois the second time round how would this have effected Lana's accident since it essentially played out the same as before?

hbkid21

04-01-2006, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Bugbait
Although I agree about Lois the connection to Lana's accident is not direct. If Clark hadn't saved Lois the second time round how would this have effected Lana's accident since it essentially played out the same as before?

The thing is, it wouldn't of play out the same if Clark did not save her ya know. The epi is compare to final destination and it true. If Clark didn't save Lois, then there be no victory party. And of course it Smallville. It would of been 2 minutes b4 Lex or Lana found out. Curse of a small time to quote Lex so the Lex and Lana scene would prob never happened.

eXistenZe

04-02-2006, 05:58 AM

I'm freaking pissed they broke up like this!! Someone needs to reveal Clark's secret to Lana. Just like how Alicia did with Chloe, this way every prob will be settled more or less. It sure beats waiting for Clark to tell her cause he has some pretty weird logic that keeping his secret from her will protect her. That's total bull man. This break-up feels like it's being forced down our throats!!:mad:

Kryptofan

04-02-2006, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by eas
Well, I'm not a Clana fan (Clois all the way) but I don't like how they're doing it. Clana does deserve some respect and it would be way better if they showed that both Clark and Lana know they need to move on. That'll show that Clark has matured, too.

Though I'm a Clana fan,I think you're right.Ok we got it,they're not "meant"to be together but that's not a way to break up for good.They need both to understand that they have to move on and not just hurt someone's feelings in such a bad way.I hope I get it right.:\

If Lana figures it herself about Clark then this would be the end of Clana IMO.She'll be mad at him for not trusting her and this is how I think it will be.He'll never tell.

Daphne

04-02-2006, 09:17 AM

Lana in the end knows Clark's secret and decides they won't be together, at some point this will happen. All will work out for the best in the end.

Pal-El

04-02-2006, 09:19 AM

So she wont die or leave then?

*sobs uncontrollably*

netlynn

04-02-2006, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Jokerisdaking
Also, to all the people who think he was cowardly in his breakup what do you think he should have said?

I would have preferred either him telling her, or her finding out another way. And then they decide not to be together instead of him crushing her heart after all these years!

hime

04-02-2006, 12:24 PM

:( oh well, even if we all know that the Clark-Lana thingie is not going to last, it is somehow sad to know that they have stressed all that they need to do in order for the reslationship work, yet there are really some things, that only fate can decide...

Watching Smallville

04-02-2006, 12:33 PM

It's such a difficult set-up in the first place. You have two people who seem to fit, especially in Seasons 1 and 2, and because TPTB made their relationship so appealing and made people root for them, they also created this horrible task of finding a reason to break them up. The writers have been struggling with that problem since the beginning of Season 3.

muffinpeddler

04-02-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by abc123
im new here, but here are my two cents. i am a clana fan, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SHOW ONLY, that is, i think that the best way to finish off smallville (which i think will happen next season) is for clark and lana to be together, at least for a good chunk of it.

They just can't. One thing DC Comics has made certain is that Clark & Lois is absolute canon. Not that it'll happen on SV, just saying the show won't end on a Clana note.

OutlawAngel

04-02-2006, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by hbkid21
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bugbait
[B]
2. No it didn't. Rewatch Reckoning. If Clark kept status quo between the first and second half Lana would've died again. She was fated to die. Remember that episode in S2 (I think) where the FotW could see how people died? It's heavily implied that Clark is special in that he can alter fate/destiny. If he hadn't stopped the bus the second time Lana would've died all over again. His direct intervention saved her.

Actully, the second time around Lois was suppose to die. Remember Clark went up stairs to find her on the floor. Lana saved her the first time around when she was falling. Clark save her the second time around from being shock to pieces. When Clark did that, then fate change and it was Lana turn.

Lois was suppose to die both times. The only thing that saved Lois the first time is that Lana caught her whe she nearly fell. Lana was choice #2 and then Jonathan was choice #3

Originally posted by Aloof
Off topic, but why does everyone said the word 'Word'. It's not cool for adults to say it, it sounds to ghetto, mainly kids say it. :eek:

Maybe because
1) this is a free country

2) How do you know only kids say it? I only hear it being said on the internet

(and oh by the way I am only 17, but I dont see any big deal about someone saying a 'word' that aint hurtful or anything)

Jokerisdaking

04-02-2006, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by OutlawAngel
Lois was suppose to die both times. The only thing that saved Lois the first time is that Lana caught her whe she nearly fell. Lana was choice #2 and then Jonathan was choice #3

Maybe because
1) this is a free country

2) How do you know only kids say it? I only hear it being said on the internet

(and oh by the way I am only 17, but I dont see any big deal about someone saying a 'word' that aint hurtful or anything)

WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theshadow129x

04-02-2006, 09:25 PM

gosh im glad its over i mean they had practically already broke up it was going to happen anyways and lana doesnt deserve clark she maes everything about her

OutlawAngel

04-02-2006, 09:35 PM

thmallville

04-03-2006, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I see your point, but I have a question. With Lana saying she's williing to wait as long as it takes, and Clark deciding he's not going to tell her the truth about himself, what did you want him to do? I'm really asking, because I don't see how the satisfying break-up would play out.

I still thought that one day he would see and remember that Lana completely accepted him for who he was, and know that he could still trust her. It is a risk, I'll admit that, and Lana would be in danger if she knew his secret. but Clark could still warn her about the dangers and Lex beforehand, and that would really show that she loves him.
There is still a chance that Clark can be cool and not break my heart by no Clana!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JorEl23

04-03-2006, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Offworlder 1
Another moaning and groaning from the clana fans. Not that I'm not happy but its a cold hard written in stone fact that Clark and Lana will NEVER end up together. If the creaters saw Lana as the perfect soulmate for Clark they would have written the comic that way but guess what they didn't. There was probaly a large debt over it years ago when Superman was at that crossroad but they choose Lois.

Lana is also what keeps him tied to Smallville since shes shown after shes left for a short time and came back she likes it there and Clark is meant to leave smallvile for a greater good. Clark would never be the hero he becomes if he stayed with Lana cause of her inability to not help herself if in trouble , Lois can and does as is shown in varies comics and somewhat in Smallville.

Sorry Clana fans but its over , Clark needs to be a man and get out in the real world accept who he is and move on to bigger and better things.

I personally understand and appreciate the ending of Clana being inevitable but have issues with the nature of the breakup and most specifically this whole lexana angle is pathetic.

Obviously, even the biggest Clana supporters knew it would have to end to propel Clark to his destiny but its not necessary to crap all over 4 1/2 seasons to do so...

hbkid21

04-03-2006, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by OutlawAngel
Lois was suppose to die both times. The only thing that saved Lois the first time is that Lana caught her whe she nearly fell. Lana was choice #2 and then Jonathan was choice #3

Well if that the case Lana was never suppose to die in the first place. Suppose to be Lois huh? Cause even the second time around Clark saved Lois.

TLMSKent

02-04-2008, 03:01 PM

[QUOTE=OutlawAngel;2002920][QUOTE]Originally posted by hbkid21
[B]

Lois was suppose to die both times. The only thing that saved Lois the first time is that Lana caught her whe she nearly fell. Lana was choice #2 and then Jonathan was choice #3

QUOTE]

Just for the rekord, that is absolutely not true. You got something wrong there. Lana was choice #1, then Clark managed to convince Jor-El to give her a chance, and so Jonathan became choice #2. Lois had nothing to do with it, she's not even that close to Clark. If Jor-El had really intended for her to die, do you think that Lana could have changed that? No way. Lois almost falling, and then falling, off that chair was only so that Clark would have to go away and save Lois and give Lana time to go to Lex unnoticed by Clark. And besides, it doesn't make sense in any way. Lois is only in the picture for Clark to have to leave Lana so she goes to Lex in the second time around too.

That being said, I just wanted to add that yes, I AM SO MAD ABOUT THE CLANA BREAKUP!!!!!!! I love them together and after all those years, they just belong together. Seriously, the Smallville pairing is Clark and Lana and it will always remain that way. They should not have broken them up, it just sucks that they broke up. I wish that Clark could be happy for once. And besides, what an annoying way to break them up. Of course there's no real reason because they are meant to be, but well, there's no real reason and the whole thing is just ... wrong. no thanks, they should have just let them stay together forever.