So, About that Kryptonite...

[Hurricain]

First off, I don't know much about the comics of Superman. I have been wondering something though.

I thought kryptonite was supposed to be rare and hard to find. Yet in Smallville its everywhere.

So whats happens when he becomes Superman? Won't it be easy for his all his enemies to acquire Kryptonite? Assuming that secret ever comes out, which in Smallville it does every other episode it seems like.

[smallvillefanforlife]

i know but with a tv show i guess they need alot of obstacles so he doesnt just save them and thats it

[SuperDub2]

ye good point but nobody actually knows that clark is hurt by kryptonite and i just assumed that while its plentiful in Smallville its not found anywhere else so as long as people dont really know he will probly never come across it on his travels elsewhere!

[i love u tom]

well people wont know he's vulnerable to it, and if they do, i doubt they would know to go to smallville and go and get it. but still, maybe by the time he becomes superman they would get rid of all the rocks in smallville. in the superman movie lex got the green-k all the way in like egypt or sumthin.

[photogirl]

One thing I wondered was why would that Gabriel guy want to blow smallville up to get rid of all the Kryptonite, when all that would really do is blow up the kryptonite more, so that it would be in places other than smallville as well.....I don't get it..

[UpandAtom]

As long as Clark's in Metropolis no one will ever hear or know about the meteor rocks.

[smallvillerox05]

Originally posted by photogirl
One thing I wondered was why would that Gabriel guy want to blow smallville up to get rid of all the Kryptonite, when all that would really do is blow up the kryptonite more, so that it would be in places other than smallville as well.....I don't get it..
Um, Gabriel tried to launce a NUCLEAR WARHEAD. That wouldn't spread the Kryptonite, that would DESTROY IT. A nuke is a very powerful weapon.

[ProudPenny]

:lol: Yes, one of the contrivances of the entire show is that apparently GIGATONS UPON GIGATONS of Kryptonite fell to earth during the meteor shower.

[LionelLuthor]

Gabriel didn't want to destroy the rocks, he wanted to destroy the meteor freaks. The nuke would have got rid of both.

In the comics, Clark didn't arrive in a meteor shower, they created this scenario for Smallville so that they could have a reason for there being a FOTW in every episode.
And PP, it does seem like gigatons fell agreed!

[Jellie]

smallville is 90% kryptonite 8% corn 2% alien

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
Gabriel didn't want to destroy the rocks, he wanted to destroy the meteor freaks. The nuke would have got rid of both.

In the comics, Clark didn't arrive in a meteor shower, they created this scenario for Smallville so that they could have a reason for there being a FOTW in every episode.
And PP, it does seem like gigatons fell agreed!

I'm confused. Didn't Lex in the comics mention a meteor shower occurring.

[Jellie]

Where is Hal Jordan when you need him?

[UpandAtom]

The comic was Supergirl #2.

[Jellie]

Thank you

[LionelLuthor]

Ar, sorry don't read Supergirl/any comics.
And there's soooo many different versions that I wouldn't know where to start. HAL JORDAN!?! If you can hear us, we need your infinite knowledge.

[Martin le Magicien]

I don't get why Clark doesn't ask his friends and family to collect the kryptonite and then maybe find a way to destroy it.

I guess it would be too logic. Or too hard. Smallville is a big place after all. :rolleyes:

[UpandAtom]

The kryptonite is useful in case Clark goes out of control and they can't stop him.

[hopeless]

But what about the red, the silver...
Wouldn't his friends want all those other variants destroyed after all would you want the most powefulest "meteor freak" unleashed on humanity where you actually need to surprise him to get that green kryptonite to be actually useful.
I sincerely hope that silver stuff was a one off and there's the black... and the gold variants too (don't ask)

[LionelLuthor]

Well- the silver doesn't really count as Kryptonite.
Yep, there's a LOT of Kryptonite in Smallville, but Clark seems to be building up a bit of a resistance towards it.

[hopeless]

About b****y time!
Sorry, I just don't understand why they didn't realise that prolonged exposure of that sort would have resulted in Clark developing the equivalent of terminal cancer.
Don't get me started about "Crater" Lake!
Smallville, the only place on Earth where Clark Kent would definitely rather not visit!

[dontkillchloe]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
Gabriel didn't want to destroy the rocks, he wanted to destroy the meteor freaks. The nuke would have got rid of both.

In the comics, Clark didn't arrive in a meteor shower, they created this scenario for Smallville so that they could have a reason for there being a FOTW in every episode.
And PP, it does seem like gigatons fell agreed!

so how did they explain clarks arrival in the comics then?

[LionelLuthor]

He arrived in a ship still, but did not bring a meteor shower with him.

[dontkillchloe]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
He arrived in a ship still, but did not bring a meteor shower with him.

was there Kryptonite in the comics? and if there was was..how did they explain the presence of it? since there was no meteor shower?

[Smokethatkryptonite]

There would have been some kind of meteor shower in any version of Superman. How else would kryptonite be on earth?

[UpandAtom]

In the Superman comics there wasn't really a meteor shower. Random kryptonite meteors just collided the earth once in a while.

[Nerial]

Kryptonite fell, but in little doses all over the world. Making it a very rare substance to obtain.

Personally, I would LOVE to see something happen at the end of the series, (be it Jor-EL or some environmentalist group), that goes through and wipes out all the kryptonite somehow. It doesn't make sense to have that much of it used so wastefully, and then for it to be so hard to get in the future.

In the comics, people sell toy kryptonite in stores along with other Superman merchandise. So, it's clearly something people will know about.

[LionelLuthor]

Ok, in the comics, there was no meteor shower like I said.
A small amount of Kryptonite was pulled to earth by Clark's ship.
And random chunks did fall to Earth every now and then.

[Videogamer49107]

Originally posted by hopeless
About b****y time!
Sorry, I just don't understand why they didn't realise that prolonged exposure of that sort would have resulted in Clark developing the equivalent of terminal cancer.
Don't get me started about "Crater" Lake!
Smallville, the only place on Earth where Clark Kent would definitely rather not visit!

It doesn't have a lasting effect on Clark I don't think. It does on humans, but not on Clark. But yeah, I agree with you on Crater Lake. What happened to it being filled with kryptonite? I was just watching that episode..."Cool"? I think it's called. He falls into crater lake and becomes this heat sucking vampire, but now it's a normal lake...

[FireFlyFan]

There was a story line from the Superman comics along time ago that transmuted all the kryptonite on earth into iron. From I have read they did this mostly because, like in Smallville, kryptonite was everywhere and it is really hard to have a superhero with a weakness you can buy at every Walgreens. They were still able to make kryptonite and some would fall from space every now and again but it was really cleaned up from the planet.

FFF

[smallvillerox05]

Yeah I read that comic FFF. The Kryptonite was destroyed, but there was still Kryptonite residue that affected Superman and somehow another Superman was created (?) Something like that, it's been a while since I read it.

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by FireFlyFan
There was a story line from the Superman comics along time ago that transmuted all the kryptonite on earth into iron. From I have read they did this mostly because, like in Smallville, kryptonite was everywhere and it is really hard to have a superhero with a weakness you can buy at every Walgreens. They were still able to make kryptonite and some would fall from space every now and again but it was really cleaned up from the planet.

FFF

That wasn't exactly the reason. The storyline decreased Superman's powers so writers thought that he didn't need a weakness anymore. When his powers grew again, the writers knew that they needed kryptonite back and had it fall from space.

[heyzalle]

Perhaps Lex or Lionel will clean the town of kryptonite and keep it for themselves to experiment with. Or some government agency will finally realise it's dangerous and clean it up.

But that won't happen knowing the writers. :rolleyes:

[The Petri Dish Kid]

True hey. What's the deal with Kryptonite?

It's everywhere in Smallville due to the meteor shower and it has like a zillion and one uses. It gives people Superstrength, can be a subsitude for Nitro in cars, gives dogs superstrength for god's sake, used in everything and anything.

It's like "Hey let me just mix you up a cocktail." "Uh you got any kryptonite?" "Sure. You want some?" "Yeah bring it on! Let's go crazy for a while."

[Coyote]

The Kents were negligent parents. Why would they continue to stay in the only place in the world that was full of toxic radiation deadly to their kid?

[smallvillerox05]

Coyote, Clark himself was ignorant to Kryptonite and why it weakened him until Metamorphasis. By the time they realized that, Clark was already settled into his life. Of course, it wouldn't kill them to hunt for Kryptonite now.

[xrayvision]

IIRC, there was no kryptonite until the 50's during a Superman radio show where they introduced it and DC stuck with it.

[SuperStrength]

He will do an outfit which includes Lead.

So that kryptonite will not effect him!

His Superman costume includes lead.

[smallvillerox05]

Originally posted by xrayvision
IIRC, there was no kryptonite until the 50's during a Superman radio show where they introduced it and DC stuck with it.
That's correct. The actor that voiced him had a 2 week vacation so they invented Kryptonite to explain why Superman sounded different. Says so on the Red commentary.

[The Petri Dish Kid]

So exactly how many colours of Kryptonite are there?

There's the very obvious Green "cocktail" one, the Red "rampage" one, Black "Mommy-I-Love-You" one, Silver Kryptonite is tricky cause it looks like Brainiac was the one who kinda "created" it from part of himself.

What else and what effects do they have on Superman?

They should have like Pink Kryptonite or something that makes Clark forget that's he's superman and abilities etc.

[LionelLuthor]

Green Kryptonite:
In superpowered Kryptonians, causes immediate physical pain and debilitation and kills within hours. Has no short-term effects on humans (though strictly in post-Crisis continuity, long-term exposure is apparently lethal to humans) or non-superpowered Kryptonians. In one early Silver Age story, Superboy built up immunity to specific chunks of Green Kryptonite through repeated non-fatal exposure, as seen in the story "The Great Kryptonite Mystery" (Superboy (volume 1) #58, July 1957). The most common form of kryptonite.

Red Kryptonite:
Created from Green Kryptonite that passed through a mysterious red-hued cloud en route to Earth. Red Kryptonite inflicts random effects on Kryptonians, typically creating an initial "tingling effect" in those affected. Each specific chunk of Red Kryptonite has the same effect on all Kryptonians, but no two chunks have the same effect. Red Kryptonite effects typically last for 24–48 hours (though sometimes as long as 72), after which the Kryptonian in question is always immune to that specific chunk of Red Kryptonite. Superman has suffered the following effects upon exposure to various pieces of Red Kryptonite: being turned into a dragon, a non-powered giant, a midget, an ant-headed humanoid, a lunatic, or an amnesiac; made unable to see anything colored green; growing incredibly long hair and beard; being rendered totally powerless; gaining the ability to read thoughts; losing his invulnerability along the left side of his body; being split into an evil Superman and a good Clark Kent; rendered unable to speak or write anything but Kryptonese, the language used on Krypton; growing an extra set of arms; swapping bodies with the person nearest him upon exposure to it; and rapid aging. In post-Crisis continuity, Red Kryptonite first appeared as an artificial construct of Mr. Mxyzptlk; a second variety was later revealed as a synthetic variant created by Ra's al Ghul, using notes he stole from Batman.

Gold Kryptonite:
Removes superpowers from Kryptonians permanently; however, in one story, a temporary antidote was developed that negated this effect for a short period of time. For obvious reasons, this variety was little used in Superman stories. It played key roles in both the 1982 miniseries "The Phantom Zone", and in the 1986 noncanon tale "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" Additionally, it appeared briefly in the post-Crisis DC Universe, when Superman used it on a trio of Kryptonian criminals while visiting the Pocket Universe (Adventures of Superman #444, Superman (volume 2) #22). As cited in World's Finest Comics #159 (1966), Gold Kryptonite has an effective range of two feet.

White Kryptonite: Kills all plant life, whether Kryptonian or not. Induces decay immediately upon exposure, with a range of about 25 yards. The most prominent use of White Kryptonite in the comics was to destroy Virus X, which was revealed in a storyline in 1968's Action Comics #362-366 to actually be a form of plant life.

Blue Kryptonite: The result of using Professor Potter's "duplicator ray" on some Green Kryptonite. Blue Kryptonite kills Bizarros, but has no effect on Kryptonians or humans.

Anti-Kryptonite:
Has no effect on superpowered Kryptonians, but has the same effects as Green Kryptonite on non-superpowered Kryptonians. This version of kryptonite is what killed most of the residents of Argo City in the pre-Crisis comics. It was likely introduced to cover a writer error, as the original Argo City story does not call it Anti-Kryptonite. Post-Crisis, it is the power source of Ultraman, Superman's evil counterpart who lives in an alternate antimatter universe.

X-Kryptonite:
Created by Supergirl while experimenting with Green Kryptonite in hopes of finding an antidote. It has no effect on Kryptonians, but bestows temporary superpowers on Earth lifeforms, most prominently Supergirl's pet cat, Streaky. Not to be confused with Kryptonite-X.

Jewel Kryptonite:
Jewel Kryptonite amplifies the psychic powers of Phantom Zone residents, allowing them to project illusions into the "real world" or perform mind control. It was made from what was left of a mountain range on Krypton called the Jewel Mountains. (It is shown in one comic story to be used by Zod and Ursa outside the Zone in the "real" world as well, to blow up the piece they had and transport themselves back to the Phantom Zone. So it is probable that any Kryptonian can make use of Jewel Kryptonite as long as they are in close proximity to it.) In the post-Crisis Silver Age miniseries, a "prismatic gem from the Jewel Mountains of Krypton" was used by the Injustice League to amplify the psychic powers of the Absorbacon, but was not referred to as Jewel Kryptonite.

Slow Kryptonite: A modified variety of Green Kryptonite produced by a Terran scientist that decelerates the speed of nerve impulses and movements of both Kryptonians and Terrans. Appeared in The Brave and the Bold #177.

Purple Kryptonite: Gives Kryptonians mental/psychic powers, allowing them to create matter out of thin air. This effect only lasts 12–24 hours and all matter created disappears with the powers.

Magno-Kryptonite: A piece of kryptonite that is magnetically attracted to all substances originally from Krypton, according to Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen #91.

Bizarro Red Kryptonite: Affects humans the same way Red Kryptonite affects Kryptonians. Appeared in Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen #80.

Pink Kryptonite:
From an alternate timeline in a 2003 Supergirl storyline by Peter David, this variety of kryptonite apparently turned heterosexual Kryptonians into homosexuals; it was seen in just one panel, with Superman giving flattering compliments to Jimmy Olsen about his wardrobe and decorative sense. It spoofs the many varieties of kryptonite introduced over the years, as well as the more "innocent times" of the Silver Age (Lois Lane is depicted in this story as not understanding what's gotten into Superman). This version of kryptonite has not been used in mainstream comics continuity.

Kryptonite-X or Kryptisium:
A form of filtered/purified kryptonite. Professor Emil Hamilton used the term "Kryptonite-X" (The Adventures of Superman #511, April 1994, page 13) to describe the substance that restored Superman's powers after a confrontation with the villain known as the Cyborg Superman in Engine City (Superman (volume 2) #82, part of the "Return of Superman" storyline). This substance was created when the Cyborg used a huge chunk of kryptonite in an attempt to finally kill the weak, powerless, recovering Superman. The Eradicator, who had fashioned a faux-Kryptonian body using a Kryptonian matrix, jumped in front of Superman before the release of the kryptonite energy could kill him. Despite the Eradicator's efforts, the kryptonite energy hit Superman, but instead of killing him, it transferred all of the characteristic Kryptonian powers from the Eradicator to Superman, as well as saturating Superman's body with a purified/filtered form of kryptonite. This substance eventually led to Superman becoming an over-muscled giant, due to his accelerated sunlight absorption and overstorage of energy. This kryptonite is not to be confused with X-Kryptonite.

Black Kryptonite:
Black Kryptonite was first introduced in the Smallville television series, in the fourth season premiere episode "Crusade," as kryptonite with the potential capacity to split a person or a person's personality into two separate entities. It later made its first appearance in a DC comic in September 2005's Supergirl #2, where it apparently possessed the same abilities. In Supergirl #3, Luthor used Black Kryptonite on Supergirl, which caused her to split into two separate people, one wearing Supergirl's traditional costume, and another wearing a black-and-white version. Her black-and-white costume is similar to the one that Superman was wearing when he returned from the dead.
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Simulated kryptonite
Green Lantern Corps rings can be used to emit simulated Green Kryptonite radiation. This radiation is apparently just as powerful and painful to Superman and other Kryptonians as the genuine rays.
Synthetic kryptonite (usually the green or red variety) has been successfully produced by Lex Luthor, Batman, and Ra's al Ghul in the comics. It has proven to be less powerful than genuine kryptonite, to be extrememly difficult to create, and to have a short half life that renders it useless after a short period of time.
Magic: Users adept at the use of magic may be able to create kryptonite, such as Mr. Mxyzptlk did in the "Krisis of the Krimson Kryptonite" storyline (though his version of Red Kryptonite differed from the traditional version in its workings).
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Hoaxes
In the comics, some varieties of kryptonite that turned out to be hoaxes include:

Silver Kryptonite:
A fictional variety of kryptonite that was used in a hoax perpetrated by Superman's friends, in honor of the 25th (or "silver") anniversary of Superman's arrival on Earth. (For the Silver Kryptonite created by Brainiac in the television series Smallville, see below.)

Yellow Kryptonite: Another fictional variety, this one was used in a hoax masterminded by Lex Luthor.

[smallvillerox05]

^

That's from the comics of course. :)

[The Petri Dish Kid]

"Pink Kryptonite:
From an alternate timeline in a 2003 Supergirl storyline by Peter David, this variety of kryptonite apparently turned heterosexual Kryptonians into homosexuals;"

Hahahaha....that's hilarious!

[LionelLuthor]

Haha agreed, we need this on Smallville! Or not :p

[Mistryman]

Hey all

Couldnt find this on another thread and wasnt sure where to put this so ive gone with here. I know of some of them below and others i had never heard of until viewing another website which i have posted the link for. The first list has all the ones ive seen on smallville and the next has ones i hadnt heard off or have seen in the film but not sm. Just thought some people would be intrested in the GOLD one.


Green-k (weakens clark)
Red-k (rebellious and evil clark)
Black-k (splits into two beings - one good, one bad (Kal-El))
Silver-k (makes him go a bit crazy i think)

Blue-k (toxic only to Bizarro creatures)
Gold-k (permanent loss of powers)
White-k (harmful to plant life only)

Can anyone remeber seeing any of the later ones (blue, gold, white), if so in which episodes??

http://www.smallvilleph.com/index.php?cat=kryptonite

[superhippie2000]

this has been posted somehwere but anyway blue green and white have not been on the show.

there is also pink that turns kryptonians gay.
there are also so man made ones that where discorvered by scientists and stuff.

[number8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite

[McKeznak]

Originally posted by superhippie2000
this has been posted somehwere but anyway blue green and white have not been on the show.

there is also pink that turns kryptonians gay.
there are also so man made ones that where discorvered by scientists and stuff.

ya like the black kryptonite made by Gus Gorman with the tar

[UpandAtom]

The one made by Gus Gorman wasn't black kryptonite, it was just a man made version of kryptonite, which the comcis often refer to as Luthorite.

[Craig_445]

I think there is some sort of Rainbow k , as said by al/miles in 'HEAT' commentary

[UpandAtom]

There wasn't a "Heat" commentary.

[Mistryman]

I cant get over the pink-k its so funny. Never new the whole spectrum of kryptonite, man theres loads.

Kind of annoyed theres so many versions, kinda spoils the whole superman thing

[UpandAtom]

I like the multiple versions. You never know what a new type of kryptonite is going to do.

[superhippie2000]

well not all kryptonite affects clark. half effect clark and the other half basically hurts things on earth or other planets.

i would really like to see pink K cause that will be funny with clark doing a whole makover on his home and stuff. but people will get all pissy and say its not nice making fun of gays blah blah when its not really. thats one thing that stinks about these days cause everyone get mad if its something that has protest groups. superman was probably able to do more when the comics first came out then they can air on tv now.

[TackleDummy8]

I'm kind of homophobic, so i don't think i'd enjoy that too much, but as for the kryptonite, it was caused due to the radiation exposded from krypton after it exploded, like a nuclear holocaust. That turned the rocks into the different types of kryptonite, it stored radiation and thats what affects clark. I know of

Gold
Black
Green
Red
Blue
White
and I believe there is rainbow.

Silver was one made by Fine/Brainiac to make clark delusional. As for rainbow, i'm not sure if it really exsists, but its supposdly can turn kryptonite into any color.

[GooN]

i thought silver kryptonite was fake, and that liquid guy just made it up.

[TackleDummy8]

yea thats what i said above. it was created by Professor Fine/Brainiac to make him delusional. Hence the "splinter" episode. :)

[superhippie2000]

Originally posted by GooN
i thought silver kryptonite was fake, and that liquid guy just made it up.


ya brainiac made the silver k and i heard that the 25th annaversery of superman they made it so the justice league created silver k to make him go insane. not sure if it was insane like in the splinter episode or just insane like he was worried about what it would do to him.

[TackleDummy8]

why would the justice league create it if he's on thier team? ;)

[NdN_aPoLLo]

I'm not a big fan of the Red K because the writers changed it from its original purpose. The comics Red K made random things happen (he grows wings, he turns into an ant, etc). I mean the idea of having Clark amoral is great, they should have just done it with an unused color imo.

[TackleDummy8]

really? I've never heard of that before.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

yea, red k's novelty was that each piece of the red k caused a different thing to happen to Superman. one piece could make him grow twice his size. another one could change his color. Either way, the effects were always temporary, and was more of an annoyance.

and for clarification, red on the show doesn't make him "evil" it just makes him not care... about laws, feelings, etc.

[superhippie2000]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
why would the justice league create it if he's on thier team? ;)

they used silver cause like the 25th year is like silver annaversery and it was a gag gift to play a joke on him not to hurt him

[TackleDummy8]

Well, didn't he have to have it removed from him in smallville? How'd they remove it from him then?

[NdN_aPoLLo]

the silver kryptonite was just made up for Smallville... and it was removed from Clark by Brainiac... which should be easy enough considering it was Brainiac who sent him the rock to begin with

[TackleDummy8]

no no no, i was wondering how they removed it in the JL one.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

silver kryptonite never existed outside of Smallville...

it was actually a hoax... which means it couldn't hurt him even if it was in him

Silver Kryptonite made an appearance in the fifth season episode entitled "Splinter". Unlike the previous comics incarnation, this Silver Kryptonite was not a hoax. In the episode, Clark pricked his finger on a rock that was black and had silver-metallic clusters, and subsequently became increasingly paranoid, hallucinating that others were conspiring against him. In the episode's final scenes, it was revealed that a splinter of the element entered Clark's bloodstream. It was also shown that Silver Kryptonite was not naturally occuring, but instead created artificially from the liquid metal which forms Brainiac's body.

^^^ courtesy of Wikipedia

[Welling_is_pretty]

Originally posted by NdN_aPoLLo
yea, red k's novelty was that each piece of the red k caused a different thing to happen to Superman. one piece could make him grow twice his size. another one could change his color. Either way, the effects were always temporary, and was more of an annoyance.

and for clarification, red on the show doesn't make him "evil" it just makes him not care... about laws, feelings, etc.
My fave redK bit from the comics was when it turned Clark into a girl! I wish I could find scans of that.....

[NdN_aPoLLo]

i'd love to see what all weird effects they've done to Superman so far with the red k... it's hard to find out much about it though

[UpandAtom]

I liked the mental effect of red K much better than the varying effects. It makes sense that green K affects him physically while red K affects him emotionally.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

yea, i agree about the idea of a kryptonite messing with his mind, like the Green k messes with his body. I just am a fan of keeping things as it is... If they had done the powers of red k but with a differnt color like... Fuschia... or something. lol

Black Kryptonite was just one of those things that the writers threw in because they knew of no other way to get Kal-El to go back to being Clark... Seperating the good and evil? Wtf?

[UpandAtom]

The powers of Black K was actually one of the powers of Red K in the comics. One variant was able to split Clark into Superman Red and Superman Blue.

[GooN]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
yea thats what i said above. it was created by Professor Fine/Brainiac to make him delusional. Hence the "splinter" episode. :)

sorry i have a problem with reading any posts apart from the first....and replying.:o

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by GooN
sorry i have a problem with reading any posts apart from the first....and replying.:o

Its cool, i do that too. I never read them all, i just skip to the last few. :p

[NdN_aPoLLo]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
The powers of Black K was actually one of the powers of Red K in the comics. One variant was able to split Clark into Superman Red and Superman Blue.

yea but neither of them were evil as far as i can remember... i think they just had different outfits and a slightly different personality

[TackleDummy8]

I thought the red one was evil?

[NdN_aPoLLo]

he's not actually evil whenever he touches red... he's just selfish, arrogant, carefree... basically, only what he wants matters... that doesn't mean he's evil.

[superhippie2000]

well for the purpose of the red k it is ment to make him evil. i dont think they are going to be like hey lets make him evil like the devil and make him rape babies and get high and drunk. red k makes him evil for a family environment. like he loses his soul and the ablity to control himself.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

meh... he chooses not to control his behavior... i still wouldn't consider that evil.. just very egotistical

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by NdN_aPoLLo
meh... he chooses not to control his behavior... i still wouldn't consider that evil.. just very egotistical


I meant the red superman, not the red kryptonite!

and what he's saying is when he is exposed, it doesn't make him evil, its just makes him not give a crap about anything that he usually cares about and makes him only care about himself.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

yea... that's what I was saying... I think...

and the Red Superman, he's just hot tempered, rash, impulsive... Blue Superman was cool, collected... of course, when I am talking about those 2 supermen, I'm talking about the following... the Supermen who split after Superman became an energy being

http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/asimov/20/srsb3.jpg

Supermen that were split by the kryptonite... that was a really old comic (i believe) and as far as i can remember, they were pretty much the same...

correct me if im wrong somebody

[TackleDummy8]

Well i never read the comics, but if I did remember reading somewhere that he was split into two, a red one and a blue one. btw i can't see whatever you tried to put up, it just says fortune city.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

crap...

ok here..

http://www.*************.com/images/costumes/superman-red.jpg

http://www.*************.com/images/costumes/superman-blue.jpg

[TackleDummy8]

now i got two little white boxs with x's

[NdN_aPoLLo]

or click this link, and go to the bottom of the page... it shows Superman Blue and Superman Red there

http://www.*************.com/superman.php?action=costumes

[TackleDummy8]

the site edited the link hahaha

[NdN_aPoLLo]

frigg... I didn't know the forum would do that...

[Jellie]

Some links are not allowed like links to other forums etc.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

its not a forum though

[TackleDummy8]

well other sites that take up banditwith i think.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

ok that's it, i give up.. it won't let me show it...

I'll go home and upload the pics that I have on my computer... that way u can see what the difference is.

[TackleDummy8]

try using www.imageshack.us

[NdN_aPoLLo]

alright one more try...

Superman Blue
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9770/supermanblue6gb.th.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanblue6gb.jpg)

Superman Red
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9523/supermanred1kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These 2 appeared after Superman became a pure energy being. Red being the hot tempered one, Blue being the calm one. Once again, these 2 are not the ones that were separated due to kryptonite

[TackleDummy8]

there we go!

[NdN_aPoLLo]

i know!

but back on topic

black kryptonite... was not needed... really... it was a cool color that they could have used in place of red... You have an entire planet blow up, and create different colors of rock, and one of them was created for the sole purpose of seperating personalities within Kryptonians? F- for creativity

[TackleDummy8]

yeah i agree with that. But Black kryptonite wasn't originally made on krypton during the big bang. It was man made because of excessive heat. Swanns asst. said that they made it, and when lex split, it was from heat. so yet again its like silver, it didn't previously exist. But i do agree with you on the fact that its stupid. :lol:

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by NdN_aPoLLo
yea but neither of them were evil as far as i can remember... i think they just had different outfits and a slightly different personality

Well, you could argue that Kal-El wasn't really evil. His goals were the same as Clark's, but Kal-El was just more outgoing.

But, I think the black kryptonite was definetely supposed to represent a split between Superman Red and Superman Blue. If you look closely at the cave scene in "Crusade", you can see that Clark has a blue lining while Kal-El has a red lining.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

yea that's basically what I've been saying... that Kal-El was never evil... As for the red and blue lining, I can't remember seein that.

[TackleDummy8]

Yeah i don't remember that either. I just remember kal-el having the scar on his chest and clark not. or the otherway around.

[Ra's Al Ghul]

<img src=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Action_comics_310.jpg>

Jewel Kryptonite: Jewel Kryptonite amplifies the psychic powers of Phantom Zone residents, allowing them to project illusions into the "real world" or perform mind control. It was made from what was left of a mountain range on Krypton called the Jewel Mountains. (It is shown in one comic story to be used by Zod and Ursa outside the Zone in the "real" world as well, to blow up the piece they had and transport themselves back to the Phantom Zone. So it is probable that any Kryptonian can make use of Jewel Kryptonite as long as they are in close proximity to it.) In the post-Crisis Silver Age miniseries, a "prismatic gem from the Jewel Mountains of Krypton" was used by the Injustice League to amplify the psychic powers of the Absorbacon, but was not referred to as Jewel Kryptonite.


Purple Kryptonite: Gives Kryptonians mental/psychic powers, allowing them to create matter out of thin air. This effect only lasts 12–24 hours and all matter created disappears with the powers.


Bizarro Red Kryptonite: Affects humans the same way Red Kryptonite affects Kryptonians. Appeared in Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen #80.


Anti-Kryptonite: Has no effect on superpowered Kryptonians, but has the same effects as Green Kryptonite on non-superpowered Kryptonians. This version of kryptonite is what killed most of the residents of Argo City in the pre-Crisis comics. It was likely introduced to cover a writer error, as the original Argo City story does not call it Anti-Kryptonite. Post-Crisis, it is the power source of Ultraman, Superman's evil counterpart who lives in an alternate antimatter universe.


X-Kryptonite: Created by Supergirl while experimenting with Green Kryptonite in hopes of finding an antidote. It has no effect on Kryptonians, but bestows temporary superpowers on Earth lifeforms, most prominently Supergirl's pet cat, Streaky. Not to be confused with Kryptonite-X.


Slow Kryptonite: A modified variety of Green Kryptonite produced by a Terran scientist that decelerates the speed of nerve impulses and movements of both Kryptonians and Terrans. Appeared in The Brave and the Bold #177.


Magno-Kryptonite: A piece of kryptonite that is magnetically attracted to all substances originally from Krypton, with such incredible force that not even the strength of Superman or Bizarro can escape it according to Supermans Pal, Jimmy Olsen #91.


Kryptonite-X or Kryptisium: A form of filtered/purified kryptonite. Professor Emil Hamilton used the term "Kryptonite-X" (The Adventures of Superman #511, April 1994, page 13) to describe the substance that restored Superman's powers after a confrontation with the villain known as the Cyborg Superman in Engine City (Superman (volume 2) #82, part of the "Return of Superman" storyline). This substance was created when the Cyborg used a huge chunk of kryptonite in an attempt to finally kill the weak, powerless, recovering Superman. The Eradicator, who had fashioned a faux-Kryptonian body using a Kryptonian matrix, jumped in front of Superman before the release of the kryptonite energy could kill him. Despite the Eradicator's efforts, the kryptonite energy hit Superman, but instead of killing him, it transferred all of the characteristic Kryptonian powers from the Eradicator to Superman, as well as saturating Superman's body with a purified/filtered form of kryptonite. This substance eventually led to Superman becoming an over-muscled giant, due to his accelerated sunlight absorption and overstorage of energy. This kryptonite is not to be confused with X-Kryptonite.


Silver Kryptonite: A fictional variety of kryptonite that was used in a hoax perpetrated by Superman's friends, in honor of the 25th (or "silver") anniversary of Superman's arrival on Earth. (For the Silver Kryptonite created by Brainiac in the television series Smallville, see below.)


Yellow Kryptonite: Another fictional variety, this one was used in a hoax masterminded by Lex Luthor.

oops the html didn't work it is supposed to be a picture of the cover of the comic that featured jewel kryp... but yeah these are just some types that haven't been mentioned in this thread you can find out more at this link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite

[TackleDummy8]

holy crap, thats a lot of types purple sounds interesting

[UpandAtom]

Were the effects of Silver K in the comics different from its effects on Smallville?

[NdN_aPoLLo]

Silver K had no effects... it was fake... as far as i know anyway

[TackleDummy8]

It was fake in the show. I never realized it was on the comics?


Thats also funny how in the one comic picture, superman says there is only 5 types, but in your post, it speaks of much more.

[NdN_aPoLLo]

ok I'll try to explain, cause I've been doin a bad job so far.. lol

Silver K wasn't fake in the show. Although I can't remember on how they explained the origin of silver kryptonite in the show, it really did cause Clark to become delusional, and very very paranoid. It was removed by Brainiac, which also wasn't explained on how exactly he did it (with that sucky machine thingie I guess) and then Brainiac looked like the good guy, even though he was the one who sent the silver kryptonite to Clark.

In the comics, it was a fake, and it did nothing to Superman and was meant more as a gag. Silver was used because it was his silver anniversary or some jazz. Again, not much to go on, but it didn't harm Superman

TV Silver: hurts Clark
Comic Silver: doesn't hurt Superman

and a lot of those extra kryptonite were just gimmicks brought in due to lazy writers. Can't explain something? Bring in kryptonite. Can't figure out how to make something happen? Bring in kryptonite.

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by NdN_aPoLLo
and a lot of those extra kryptonite were just gimmicks brought in due to lazy writers. Can't explain something? Bring in kryptonite. Can't figure out how to make something happen? Bring in kryptonite.

Sounds like the writer of the comics had a lot in common with the writers of Smallville.

[TackleDummy8]

yeah i always though kryptonite was hard to find. yet it seems to be everywhere

[Ra's Al Ghul]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8

As for rainbow, i'm not sure if it really exsists, but its supposdly can turn kryptonite into any color.

I think I recall the rainbow k. It randomly switches to different color of kryptonite.

[SnowQueen]

Does anyone know why Smallville was taken off the ABC Family schedule? it was showing at 7pm EST every nite and now they are showing 2 ep. of 7th Heaven! :(

[TackleDummy8]

I think it's because they reached the end of season four. They might start it up again from season 1?

[xrayvision]

Nah, I don't wanna see Clark buy shares of the Talon back from Lex and make lattes and crash his SUV's only to go back to the Luthor mansion so that Lex can buy him more after giving him "services". Yechh! Might as well give Lana the Superman suit in that case.

[UpandAtom]

Clark doesn't need Pink Kryptonite to make him gay. He already is.

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
As long as Clark's in Metropolis no one will ever hear or know about the meteor rocks. Well not really. Remember that at one point Lionel has a huge collection of Kryptonite formed into large bars piled up in his vault in Metropolis.

I don't think anyone has pointed this idea out. I've thought about it for a couple years. At some point they need to get rid of most of that SV kryptonite.
Remember the ship he came to earth in removed the radiation from Lana's necklace so it turned clear?
I've been waiting for the ship to fly all over SV doing the same to the town. Then there would only be the Meteor rock left that LuthorCorp has in its research facilities.
If not the ship, then surely the Fortress should have some technology laying around that would do the same thing.

[UpandAtom]

I think the way Smallville is progressing, the kryptonite is needed when Superman becomes an adult. If Clark's this powerful now, then in ten or 20 years he'd be able to bash planets with his bare hands. There has to be something that keeps him check.

[TM1960]

I understand the need for the kryptonite as a means to keep Clark/superman in check, but please. It seems every other person Clark comes into contact with has a piece of it somewhere.

Let's face it, if a metorite crashed anywhere in the country, the government would collect every bit they could find to test it for signs of life in the cosmos, the origins of the universe and things along that line.

Instead, we have people eating it, inhaling it, injecting it, tatooing themselves with it, using it for skin cream, etc and getting strange powers from it. And seeing how most of them get caught and placed in prison or mental institutes or end up dead, no outside agency ever bothers to investigate the strange goings on in a little town in Kansas.

I realize this is just a television show and is meant for entertainment, but it seems to me writers have completely bastardized the superman mythos for the sake of a few dollars.

I watch from time to time hoping it will get better, but so far, it's been one let down after another.

[TackleDummy8]

Smallville overuses kryptonite.

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
Smallville overuses kryptonite. agreed:\

[TackleDummy8]

Hey we've hit a dead end, lets use some kryptonite.

[DreadShamus]

Someone mentioned Clarks apparent growing resistance to Kryptonite, yet in a recent episode he was completely helpless more than he had been in a long time because it helped the storyline of the 'female vigilante' learning his weakness.

I just wish they would pick a level of pain for the kryptonite, or lower it in a consistent manner.

Lois & Clark did a really good job with that.

[TackleDummy8]

the more there is, the worse he is. If you noticed, when he's around alot, he'll fall to the ground.

ex. insurgence: when he enters linoels office with the refined meteor rocks, he drops to the ground.

Yet where theres less, it just hurts him

ex. In Facade I think,(one of the football ones) Clark takes an itsy bitsy piece of kryptonite and holds it in his hand so he can play like the (normal kids) while in the barn throwing through a tire.

[DreadShamus]

The vault was more kryptonite than he had ever been around before, but when morgan edge had him trapped by an average fist sized he managed to stuggle away when it was taped to his chest. With the female vigilante it was a smaller amount and it wasn't even taped to him yet he couldn't escape...

I don't think they are consistent enough.

[TackleDummy8]

I guess...

[Firebunny]

Originally posted by DreadShamus
The vault was more kryptonite than he had ever been around before, but when morgan edge had him trapped by an average fist sized he managed to stuggle away when it was taped to his chest. With the female vigilante it was a smaller amount and it wasn't even taped to him yet he couldn't escape...

I don't think they are consistent enough.


I fanwank that there are different grades of Kryptonite. Traveling through space, entering the Earth's atmosphere, sitting around in the dirt for the past 15 years, have added impurities to the meteor rocks. And since each individual rock has its own unique history, they all have different strengths when it comes to affected Clark.

The refined stuff used for experiments is the strongest. All the impurities have been taken out. Andrea's little sliver in 'Vengence' is probably pretty pure too. But the big boulders at the bottom of crater lake are very low grade Kryptonite, since Clark doesn't seem to have any problem swimming there.

[UpandAtom]

I don't think the kryptonite at Crater Lake is low grade. They seemed to create a very powerful glow when Sean Kelvin was dumped there.

[TackleDummy8]

I've noticed the brighter ones are most effective.

[xrayvision]

I wonder what kryptonite's 1/2 life is. Has it ever been mentioned.

[He Who Lurks]

Kryptonite decays in a unique fashion compared to familiar radioactive material. I mean, if Clark was "allergic" to any form of terrestrial radiation, he'd get weak around more than just Kryptonite.

As far as I know, there is no "scientific" data on Kryptonite available. Comic scientists haven't told us about its activity or half-life or composition. It's just supposed to be that mysterious green stuff that makes Superman weak.

Then again, I'm not an avid comic fan or anything, so maybe there is some information out there that I don't know about.

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I wonder what kryptonite's 1/2 life is. Has it ever been mentioned.

What do you mean by that?

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by Firebunny
I fanwank that there are different grades of Kryptonite. Traveling through space, entering the Earth's atmosphere, sitting around in the dirt for the past 15 years, have added impurities to the meteor rocks. And since each individual rock has its own unique history, they all have different strengths when it comes to affected Clark.

The refined stuff used for experiments is the strongest. All the impurities have been taken out. Andrea's little sliver in 'Vengence' is probably pretty pure too. But the big boulders at the bottom of crater lake are very low grade Kryptonite, since Clark doesn't seem to have any problem swimming there. I'm not sure I can buy the different grades, but the impurities sounds good. Kind of like the Superman III Tobacco Kryptonite!
However when it comes to the lake, maybe its the nonkryptonite rock covering the kryptonite that hinders its affect on Clark when he's present.

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I wonder what kryptonite's 1/2 life is. Has it ever been mentioned.

Kryptonite is radioactive so it can't be very stable. I remember an issue of the comics (don't remember which one) that said that the half life of kryptonite was 3 or 4 years. Doubt that's the case on Smallville.

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
Kryptonite is radioactive so it can't be very stable. I remember an issue of the comics (don't remember which one) that said that the half life of kryptonite was 3 or 4 years. Doubt that's the case on Smallville. half life in earths atmosphere? because the kryptonite in space that floated past earth caused superman to have to hide underground until it was gone. and that had been floating since superman rocketed to earth.

[Kryptofan]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
As long as Clark's in Metropolis no one will ever hear or know about the meteor rocks.

Maybe Lex will..

[Green Honor]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
Gabriel didn't want to destroy the rocks, he wanted to destroy the meteor freaks. The nuke would have got rid of both.

In the comics, Clark didn't arrive in a meteor shower, they created this scenario for Smallville so that they could have a reason for there being a FOTW in every episode.
And PP, it does seem like gigatons fell agreed!

or all the people who died in smallville will be affected from the kryptonite because the radiation level in the kryptonite went up from the explosion, and they will all turn into zombies and ghosts and try to eat other alive people lol just kiddin. maybe if that happend maybe something will happen to the dead corpes. i dunno, just a guess.
:rotfl:

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by Green Honor
or all the people who died in smallville will be affected from the kryptonite because the radiation level in the kryptonite went up from the explosion, and they will all turn into zombies and ghosts and try to eat other alive people lol just kiddin. maybe if that happend maybe something will happen to the dead corpes. i dunno, just a guess.
:rotfl: Now that would be a great story. Maybe they can do that as a alternate world storyline! :lol:

[TackleDummy8]

it would be pretty sweet to see clark fight a ton of zombies.

[DreadShamus]

Kryptonite zombies!:rotfl:

[TackleDummy8]

actually, one of my favorite fights was when Clark and Jonathan fought in exile/phoenix. I'd love to see clark fight another person with his powers, and have it be a long fight. That would be awsome.

[DreadShamus]

how many has it been now? jonathan and kara? those are the humans given temp kryptonian powers yes?

[TackleDummy8]

and that indian dude.

[UpandAtom]

Any freak with super strength is a good enough match for Clark.

[TackleDummy8]

Not really. Because he always has speed, heat vision, and all the others. Hence the "witness" episode. I'd like to see it where it would be a dead even fight.

[DreadShamus]

yeah, cuz its the invulnerability (even though his isn't at full strength yet) that gives him the edge over your typical 'strong' superfreaks

[UpandAtom]

But with those kryptonian vs. kryptonian fights who would win. They obviously wouldn't be able to hurt each other so they'd end up fighting forever.

[TackleDummy8]

well, you always have kryptonian metal.

[DreadShamus]

but don't the have the ability to hurt each other like any other superstrong person can? I thought kryptonians were so strong that even with invulnerability they could draw blood on each other.

[UpandAtom]

We saw a Jonathan/Clark fight in "Phoenix" and neither one of them seemed the slightest bruised. And when Fine fired his heat vision to Clark in "Splinter" there were no burns on him.

[DreadShamus]

Those weren't long enough fights...

Plus I wonder how any Kryptonian could instantly be as powered up as Clark seeing as they haven't spent as much time under Earth's yellow sun.

[UpandAtom]

The powers have more to do with age that the actual length of time spent on the planet. The two aliens in "Arrival" were just as strong as Clark despite having only been on the planet a few minutes.

[DreadShamus]

Except its the energy of the Yellow sun that gives a kryptonian his powers. So it shouldnt be like that LOL

At least thats how it is in the TV/Movie/comics

[UpandAtom]

Maybe it means that Kryptonian powers don't come from the sun. That they have the powers on the planet as well.

[DreadShamus]

:confused:

[TackleDummy8]

They get there powers from our sun. On krypton, they didn't have any powers.And who ever said your powers get better through age, you're right. So it doesn't matter, thats why jonathan was able to put up a fight, and in the end, win it.

[UpandAtom]

That has never been proven on Smallville. If people on Krypton didn't have superpowers why would they consider sending Jor-El to a place where he was treated as a god be a punishment.

[Antithesis]

Originally posted by DreadShamus
but don't the have the ability to hurt each other like any other superstrong person can? I thought kryptonians were so strong that even with invulnerability they could draw blood on each other.

The way I always took it is each person had strength( at least if not the other powers in some way)proportional to their original strength. Like ten times their normal stregth or something. So when both powered kryptonians are fighting it would be pretty much the same proportionally as if neither of them had powers.

That's mostly going by phrases used in the city battle in Superman II.

To put it another way. I just watched the Goliath episodes of Knight Rider. If Goliath had been a normal eighteen wheeler, even with it's size it porbably wouldn't even dent KITT. The fact that Goliath also had KITT's molecular bonded shell made it just as invulnerable as KITT so it affect KITT like he was a normal car because Goliath was basically stronger being so much bigger and have the molecular bonded shell.

Does that make sence?

Anyway, that's how i see a Kryptonian battle going. Whoever is the strongest normally would be that much stronger with the powers.

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
That has never been proven on Smallville. If people on Krypton didn't have superpowers why would they consider sending Jor-El to a place where he was treated as a god be a punishment.

because they didn't know he would obtain the powers. Wouldn't they have used thier powers on krypton in the movies if they had powers there? Its the yellow sun that gives the powers. Krypton had a red sun.

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
because they didn't know he would obtain the powers. Wouldn't they have used thier powers on krypton in the movies if they had powers there? Its the yellow sun that gives the powers. Krypton had a red sun. Well once the comics created the Yellow sun rule decades ago they would have powerless superman under Red suns. There was even an awesome issue where Lex Luthor (pre-crisis) in a fist fight with Superman under a Red Sun planet.

They don't seem as worried about the comic's rules in SV though.

[He Who Lurks]

Remember, in Smallville Clark's powers went haywire during the solar flare. This proves at least some relationship between the sun and him. Really, the way they talked about it made it seem like obviously Clark's powers came from the sun.

And I was under the impression that Kryptonians actually stored up a reserve of solar energy, which is the explanation for Superman having powers in the depths of space or on planets without a yellow sun.

And the way I see it, all adult Kryptonians get powers immediately upon exposure to the yellow sun. They just build up a larger reserve the more time they spend under it. The reason Clark's powers came gradually is because of his young age upon first exposure. This explains how the movie villains and the Smallville villains had powers so soon.

[DreadShamus]

Pre-crisis kryptonians were immediately effected by whatever sun they were under, it wasn't until they redid Superman after the crisis that they put in solar storage.

I've never understood how the show works out ppl getting instant full powers as a gift from Jor-El or coming from another planet.

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by He Who Lurks
Remember, in Smallville Clark's powers went haywire during the solar flare. This proves at least some relationship between the sun and him. Really, the way they talked about it made it seem like obviously Clark's powers came from the sun.

And I was under the impression that Kryptonians actually stored up a reserve of solar energy, which is the explanation for Superman having powers in the depths of space or on planets without a yellow sun.

And the way I see it, all adult Kryptonians get powers immediately upon exposure to the yellow sun. They just build up a larger reserve the more time they spend under it. The reason Clark's powers came gradually is because of his young age upon first exposure. This explains how the movie villains and the Smallville villains had powers so soon.

They said that Clark's powers come from the sun. It was never stated clearly that it was the yellow sun. So that could mean that Kryptonians had powers under their red sun as well.

[TackleDummy8]

If they had powers under thier red sun, wouldn't they have used them in the movies, or at least made an apoint to say so?

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Antithesis
The way I always took it is each person had strength( at least if not the other powers in some way)proportional to their original strength. Like ten times their normal stregth or something. So when both powered kryptonians are fighting it would be pretty much the same proportionally as if neither of them had powers.

That's mostly going by phrases used in the city battle in Superman II.

To put it another way. I just watched the Goliath episodes of Knight Rider. If Goliath had been a normal eighteen wheeler, even with it's size it porbably wouldn't even dent KITT. The fact that Goliath also had KITT's molecular bonded shell made it just as invulnerable as KITT so it affect KITT like he was a normal car because Goliath was basically stronger being so much bigger and have the molecular bonded shell.

Does that make sence?

Anyway, that's how i see a Kryptonian battle going. Whoever is the strongest normally would be that much stronger with the powers.

Well, if they go by the comics, Superman uses his stored energy, so I'm sure if there was a battle between Kryptonians, the winner would be the one with more stored solar power or the one who doesn't deplete their energy first (fights wiser).

I always thought they should have a Clark vs. Kal-El battle where both would be invulnerable as in Superman III but where Kal-El has all the powers and Clark only has the ones he has now. It would be the best battle they ever had on the show. This would work very well for a season finale and into the following season opener.

By the way, nice to see another Knight Rider fan. You should check out the episode Junk Yard Dog. There are many others I like (Good Day at White Rock, Knight of the Juggernaut, Dead of Knight, Short Notice and more).

[Antithesis]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Well, if they go by the comics, Superman uses his stored energy, so I'm sure if there was a battle between Kryptonians, the winner would be the one with more stored solar power or the one who doesn't deplete their energy first (fights wiser).

I always thought they should have a Clark vs. Kal-El battle where both would be invulnerable as in Superman III but where Kal-El has all the powers and Clark only has the ones he has now. It would be the best battle they ever had on the show. This would work very well for a season finale and into the following season opener.

By the way, nice to see another Knight Rider fan. You should check out the episode Junk Yard Dog. There are many others I like (Good Day at White Rock, Knight of the Juggernaut, Dead of Knight, Short Notice and more).

That's a great idea. I loved the fight in Superman III and other places they've done like in Highlander with the dark quickening and Trust doesn't rust, KITT vs KARR, and also the Goliath eps in Knight Rider.

Also nice to see another Knight Rider fan. I have seen Junk Yard Dog. Good episode now; I remember I hated it as kid since in my mind they destroyed KITT. I know he came back, but I don't know if I saw the ending the first time because I remember being very upset that they made kITT white(primer color, but at the time I thought it was white) and that he seemed different. I can't wait for season 4 to come out. I actually like Super Pursuit mode now. That was another thing I hated growing up because they'd changed KITT.

I've seen the others you mention as well. I forget which ep, but when I got season 3 on DVD I was suprised to see the actor who played Non in Superman III guest stared in one ep.

Anyway, what made me think that originally about the kryptonians battling was the line the person next to Lois said in SupIII:

"The big one is just as strong as Superman!"

That made me think she thought the other two weren't.

[hopeless]

There was an audio play where Superman was put on trial and the Guardians of Oa was the judge. Luthor had secured Superman using chains endowed or made from Kryptonite but their effect faded after time allowing Superman to break free and finally speak up having been kept silent that long due to the effect the Kryptonite was having on him.
In regards to the Kryptonians has anyone heard where they learned they possessed powers under a yellow sun?
From what I've seen so far it takes time for the stored charge to build up to a point and this means had Clark faced those two during the night time they would have lost since they hadn't been storing up a charge given how they had been using it (and I didn't see them flying either!)
Its more likely that whilst in that ship they were being sustained by Brainiac and may have been exposed to yellow solar radiation after they were freed from that lump of Krypton since otherwise they wouldn't have survived the trip. Did they ever explain how Jor-El returned to Krypton is it possible that portal also had a way to reach Krypton from the Caves?

[TackleDummy8]

I think they found out about the powers when Jor-El was sent to earth as punishment. And i also think that there is indeed a portal in the cave that leads back to Krypton. Mostly because it wouldn't make sense if he had to travel 6 some years to earth, then 6 back.

[hopeless]

If that was the case what prevented Zod or others of his type just faking their deaths and coming to earth or a world like it and ruling like gods?
Even if only to research how to store this bountiful energy so they can manufacture something to simulate it like a powersuit so they can use these abilities back on Krypton?

[TackleDummy8]

Im not sure that Zod and the others knew of earths location. I think that when the blood fell upon the crystals, thats what triggered everything. The second meteor shower, and the abilty to let zod and the others figure out where it was.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Antithesis
That's a great idea. I loved the fight in Superman III and other places they've done like in Highlander with the dark quickening and Trust doesn't rust, KITT vs KARR, and also the Goliath eps in Knight Rider.

Also nice to see another Knight Rider fan. I have seen Junk Yard Dog. Good episode now; I remember I hated it as kid since in my mind they destroyed KITT. I know he came back, but I don't know if I saw the ending the first time because I remember being very upset that they made kITT white(primer color, but at the time I thought it was white) and that he seemed different. I can't wait for season 4 to come out. I actually like Super Pursuit mode now. That was another thing I hated growing up because they'd changed KITT.


Thanks. I always thought at the end of KITT vs. KARR, they should have showed a person's hands picking up KARR's cpu (which was still working) and walking away with it (not showing their face). They obviously showed the cpu to be working so they could bring back KARR in the future, but the show got cancelled so that never happened. I'm sure NBC wishes they had a show like that now.

Anyway, if they do have a 7th season, it would be great to see this Clark-Kal-El fight at the end of S6 and into S7. I don't know if they would run out of material before then. I can definitely see a S6 coming, but S7, I just don't know. I think S6 should be one where he starts learning from Jor-El while Lex starts building up his empire and we see some battles between him and Lex's freaks from Level 33.1 (which they can easily bring back). S7 can start with him defeating his Kal-El side and gaining the rest of his powers (flight, superbreath if he won't have it before then). Then the rest would have him fight Lex & his plans week after week and they could wrap up the Lionel character, what happens to Chloe, and perhaps make Clark & Lana good friends and set up Lois' character. Clark would be doing all the things he does as Superman, but would have problems hiding his identity until the series finale where the gets the suit.

[Antithesis]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Thanks. I always thought at the end of KITT vs. KARR, they should have showed a person's hands picking up KARR's cpu (which was still working) and walking away with it (not showing their face). They obviously showed the cpu to be working so they could bring back KARR in the future, but the show got cancelled so that never happened. I'm sure NBC wishes they had a show like that now.

Anyway, if they do have a 7th season, it would be great to see this Clark-Kal-El fight at the end of S6 and into S7. I don't know if they would run out of material before then. I can definitely see a S6 coming, but S7, I just don't know. I think S6 should be one where he starts learning from Jor-El while Lex starts building up his empire and we see some battles between him and Lex's freaks from Level 33.1 (which they can easily bring back). S7 can start with him defeating his Kal-El side and gaining the rest of his powers (flight, superbreath if he won't have it before then). Then the rest would have him fight Lex & his plans week after week and they could wrap up the Lionel character, what happens to Chloe, and perhaps make Clark & Lana good friends and set up Lois' character. Clark would be doing all the things he does as Superman, but would have problems hiding his identity until the series finale where the gets the suit.

What would be even nicer is if it had happend and we later find out the person who picked it up was Garth knight who somehow survived the fall into the water.

Interesting season 7 idea as well. It might be corny, but I;d want to see it happen pretty much the same way as in Superman III where Kal-El was back for an episode or two and we end the arc with them splitting and duking it out.

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
I think they found out about the powers when Jor-El was sent to earth as punishment. And i also think that there is indeed a portal in the cave that leads back to Krypton. Mostly because it wouldn't make sense if he had to travel 6 some years to earth, then 6 back.

Kryptonians knew about powers before Jor-El came to earth. Someone had to have put the stones there and then they would've found out that they had the power of gods here.

I don't think there's a portal leading back to Krypton. If there was, what was stopping Jor-El from sending his son through the portal instead of with the spaceship.

[TackleDummy8]

Well, if they knew about the powers. Why send Jor-el there for punishment?

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Antithesis
What would be even nicer is if it had happend and we later find out the person who picked it up was Garth knight who somehow survived the fall into the water.

Interesting season 7 idea as well. It might be corny, but I;d want to see it happen pretty much the same way as in Superman III where Kal-El was back for an episode or two and we end the arc with them splitting and duking it out.

Hmm, I always wondered what it would have been like if Garth met KARR. The thing with KARR is that he/it would always be out for itself since that is the dominant program, so Garth would not be safe. It would be cool though. It would be the originals (Garth and KARR) vs. the copies (Michael whose face was patterned after Garth and KITT who was mostly patterned after KARR, the prototype). I also liked Adriene Margot (from Soul Survivor & Goliath Returns). She was a hardcore villian and returns as a different character in Knight in Retreat. Some other good villians were Mr. Renard (from Dead of Knight), that Chameleon guy (man that guy was hard to catch), the mob guy in Custom Made Killer, and the guy who played Mr. Nordstrom in Knight of the Juggernaut (also played LaSalle in Knight in Disgrace). There were many others I liked as well.

As for Clark vs. Kal-El, I say the same. We need 2 full episodes of an on-off battle and a cameo of Kal-El in the episode before the battle. It would be the best fight the show ever had. Perhaps it can be a result of Clark not being able to beat Brainiac and relying on black-k to release his Kal-El side. They can team up to beat Brainiac and then battle it out for the control of Clark's body.

[TackleDummy8]

That would probaly be a cool approach, but i doubt the writers will do it.

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
Kryptonians knew about powers before Jor-El came to earth. Someone had to have put the stones there and then they would've found out that they had the power of gods here.

I don't think there's a portal leading back to Krypton. If there was, what was stopping Jor-El from sending his son through the portal instead of with the spaceship. SV has been really weak about explaining specifics. Obviously there must have been some previous knowledge because of the Indian Caves and the stone in China, however, how did Kryptonite end up guarding a stone... Kryptonite didn't exist until the radiation from the planet exploding created it. Just another case of the writers not thinking things through all the time.

[pal-el2]

Originally posted by DreadShamus
Kryptonite didn't exist until the radiation from the planet exploding created it. Just another case of the writers not thinking things through all the time.

That is in fact only one explanation of how kryptonite was created. There are a few different explanations in the different comic era's I believe. Perhaps someone like Timester can enlighten us:D

[TackleDummy8]

Actually, Kryptonite was made because superman used to be a radio show and they used to get two week vacations. So when they'd bring in a new actor with a new voice, they made kryptonite to explain the change in the voice. :D

[pal-el2]

OHHH TIMESTER?????

[TackleDummy8]

actually, I'm 15. Heard it on the radio while playing basketball. :)

[Pal-El]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
actually, I'm 15. Heard it on the radio while playing basketball. :)

:confused: :confused:

[DreadShamus]

It is true that a mysterious rock was created for the radio show. It endowed normal humans with amazing powers, but caused pain to Superman. The comic later made it into Kryptonite from his own planet.

[TackleDummy8]

yeah, thought so.

[DreadShamus]

Yes.

[TackleDummy8]

ya, radio can do some good sometimes.

[DreadShamus]

Sometimes. Unfortunately, the radio, tv and movies can have negative effects... Way too often the comics will start copying new powers or costumes from them. I can't stand it. Batman caused changes after the original movie, and Spiderman even changed the webbing rules for the comic after the movie changed things. Although I'm not sure how long that lasted.

[TackleDummy8]

Batman was such an awsome superhero simply because he was the only one without powers.

[Green Honor]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
The powers have more to do with age that the actual length of time spent on the planet. The two aliens in "Arrival" were just as strong as Clark despite having only been on the planet a few minutes.


but they were in our milkey way galaxy for longer, meaning they were in the path of our yellow sun for a long period of time, allowing them to build their power.

[hopeless]

They may have been exposed to yellow solar energy but they were also inside a lump of Krypton and that means Kryptonite and whilst Brainiac could protect them I doubt they would have gained the kind of power you're considering it would have strained Brainiac's resources to grant them that kind of power boost when it would have been sufficient to just protect them until they reached the planet's surface having freed itslef of its meteorite shell.

[TackleDummy8]

im not so sure its a charge? Maybe its just if they are exposed they obtain the powers. And you maybe stronger as you age? Just like humans?

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by hopeless
They may have been exposed to yellow solar energy but they were also inside a lump of Krypton and that means Kryptonite and whilst Brainiac could protect them I doubt they would have gained the kind of power you're considering it would have strained Brainiac's resources to grant them that kind of power boost when it would have been sufficient to just protect them until they reached the planet's surface having freed itslef of its meteorite shell. Great point. Being inside a giant lump of rock and Kryptonite should have kept the sun's energy from empowering them... However, if Jor-El can turn a girl in a cave wall into a Kryptonian powered woman, then surely Brainiac can do the same inside of a spaceship.

[TackleDummy8]

what was teh power she used to incinerate the car?

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
what was teh power she used to incinerate the car? Who knows. Just creating new powers like they did in the first 2 superman movies.

[TackleDummy8]

haha thats funny. jor-el could have given her the power considering he basically created her.

[Clark+Lois]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
haha thats funny. jor-el could have given her the power considering he basically created her.

Jor-El could have done that. But he didin't & i don't get why.

[TackleDummy8]

you're sure he didn't?

[Pal-El]

Originally posted by Clark+Lois
Jor-El could have done that. But he didin't & i don't get why.

:confused: How else would she have got that power? :confused:

[TackleDummy8]

yeah thats exactly what i was thinking... haha.