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[Unbreakable Lex]

Its January and the best season in all of sports has started.

We saw two excellent games yesterday and the Jets and Rams advanced.

Both underdogs won Saturday and I have a feeling both home teams will win today.

Indy 35 - Denver 20

GB 31 - Vikes 26

Pitt 24 - Jets 17
Indy 34 - NE 31

Phili 23 - Rams 17
GB 20 - Atl 14

GB 30 - Phili 28
Indy 24 - Pitt 20

Indy 45 - GB 31

Thats what I see.

(may have been extra nice to Indy GB, but we shall see)

[Kal-L, The Original]

Both games yesterday were fantastic, especially the Jets-Chargers. We can only hope the rest of the playoffs live up to those two games.

I think the AFC title will come down to Indy in Pittsburgh, and while I like Indy, I don't think the visitor there has the defense to stop Bettis and Co.

As for the NFC, I think Philly loses AGAIN in the title game, this time to Atlanta. I know GB has Favre, but I just don't know what else they have.

Which makes it a Pitt-Atl. SuperBowl and Big Ben becomes the second quarterback in Steeler history to lead them to a World Championship.

[Sharkie]

I like Kal-L's superbowl match ups better. But, if Atlanta (Or Miami, but that's not going to happen) is in the Superbowl, I will watch it. Otherwise I'd watch the Motor City Bowl first :p

[jgkemper]

I've got to agree with every pick you made UL. I would absolutely love to see the Colts with the Super Bowl this year.

The only game I see that could be different is Pittsburgh beating the Colts. Big Ben will throw for a TD and have good numbers and Bettis will get his usual 100 yards but it won't be enough. I just believe that Payton's going to be to much for Pittsburgh's defense to stop. I see Edgerrin having acouple big plays in the begining of the game which will open up the passing game for Payton, leading to the close win.

Great picks again UL and I can't wait to see how they hold up.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Sharkie
I like Kal-L's superbowl match ups better. But, if Atlanta (Or Miami, but that's not going to happen) is in the Superbowl, I will watch it. Otherwise I'd watch the Motor City Bowl first :p

Oh come on, Farve vs Manning?

:p

Doesnt get better.

:D

Atlanta is an enigma to me. I do think they are capable of pulling it out, but will they?

Since the NFC sux, I choose Farve. He is still the man.


Originally posted by jgkemper
I've got to agree with every pick you made UL. I would absolutely love to see the Colts with the Super Bowl this year.

The only game I see that could be different is Pittsburgh beating the Colts. Big Ben will throw for a TD and have good numbers and Bettis will get his usual 100 yards but it won't be enough. I just believe that Payton's going to be to much for Pittsburgh's defense to stop. I see Edgerrin having acouple big plays in the begining of the game which will open up the passing game for Payton, leading to the close win.

Great picks again UL and I can't wait to see how they hold up.

Well, the colts dont have to worry about Pitt until they beat NE. IF they can go up to Boston and win, Pitt fans should be worried.

Manning is just sick. Seriously, watch him play a game, its not fair.

[jgkemper]

I guess I was getting a little ahead there by having the Colts already in the championship game :P


IF they can go up to Boston and win, Pitt fans should be worried.
Your right about this. If Indy can pull off the win in Boston, it'll get that cold weather monkey off of Payton's back and will put a big scare in the Pittsburgh's fans.


Manning is just sick. Seriously, watch him play a game, its not fair.
I'm hoping that next season I can convince one of my friends to drive with me to watch the Colts play in Indianapolis, I live in MN.

[LilWonderWoman]

i know im living on a prayer

and i might get the crap out of my but....

J-E-T-S

JETS!!!!

JETS!!!!

JETS!!!


yesterdays game was awesome!!!!

[Kal-L, The Original]

I only picked Indy over the Pats because of NE's depleted secondary. Plus the fact that the officials won't let DBs mug receivers anymore this season. ;)

And I can see the Colts scoring on Pitt, but I don't see them stopping Smashmouth, Inc. :) from rolling up the yards and winding down the clock.

Truth be known, I hope UL's right, because I would rather see his Super Bowl than mine. Manning against Favre? Just doesn't get any better than that.

Man, the Colts are ladling out an @$$-kicking today, aren't they? :lol: Ouch!

[Unbreakable Lex]

:lol:

One superbowl pick is no more.

I forgot about Randy wanting to make a statement and the vikings practicing like training camp.

:lol:

So perhaps this is good for atlanta!

[M.D.]

Go ATL! and New Jersey/B (soon to be the New YORK Jets!)

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
:lol:

One superbowl pick is no more.

I forgot about Randy wanting to make a statement and the vikings practicing like training camp.

:lol:

So perhaps this is good for atlanta!

I was afraid of this; GB's defense sucked. But I did think they'd get by Minnesota. I think Sherman should be fired, to be honest. The team is just not progressing, and the defense, which was middle of the road last year, has really fallen apart-- at least partly due to his firing a good defensive coordinator because of bad execution on one play last season.

The Vikings are gonna have to beat Philly to make a believer out of me. They see the Pack twice a season, every season, and if there's any team they should know it should be them. And Philly's D, unlike the Pack's, doesn't suck. ;)

As for Randy Moss: He's damn lucky he was picked by a team with such weak management and coaching staff as the Vikings. If he had been picked by a team like Baltimore, or Pitt, or Philly, he would've either straightened out by now or he'd be out of the league.

For all the whining that went on about TO in here a few weeks ago-- and I made it clear there I don't like him either-- I'd much rather have Tyrell Owens on my team than Randy Moss.

[Chi Town]

Unfortunetly the only team in the NFC that I want to really root for is Atlanta who I don't think has what it takes to get to the SB.
Unfortunetly Vick is going to pay big one time when he leaves the pocket one of these times.

I can't stand the Vikings (Moss inparticular) or GB. (Bears fan)
How his teammates can put up with Randy Rules is beyond me but I guess it helps when you are winning.

Eagles take or leave'em. (Not a T.O fan but I will take Pom Poms over a mooning any day not to mention a guy who ignores a traffic cop.)

[fanofsteel]

Whoa. I guess it's true the Pats get no respect.
The Pats "depleted" secondary has competently handled the offense of the Chiefs and the Rams. Ty Law's injury occurred in October, so it's not like they are in panic mode because of his absense. Peyton Manning and the Colt's offense is worthy of all praise, but the Colts defense is suspect, and the Patriots also have a very good offense. Corey Dillon gives them a weapon that can help them maintain good ball and clock control, keeping the Colts offense off the field, and Tom Brady has consistent success against the Colts. The Colts are a climate control dome team, and it's going to be according to long range forecasts, in the 20's in NE this Sunday PM, and they are gonna run the sprinkle system in Gillette Stadium every day this week :).
Go Pats!!!!!

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by fanofsteel
Whoa. I guess it's true the Pats get no respect.
The Pats "depleted" secondary has competently handled the offense of the Chiefs and the Rams. Ty Law's injury occurred in October, so it's not like they are in panic mode because of his absense. Peyton Manning and the Colt's offense is worthy of all praise, but the Colts defense is suspect, and the Patriots also have a very good offense. Corey Dillon gives them a weapon that can help them maintain good ball and clock control, keeping the Colts offense off the field, and Tom Brady has consistent success against the Colts. The Colts are a climate control dome team, and it's going to be according to long range forecasts, in the 20's in NE this Sunday PM, and they are gonna run the sprinkle system in Gillette Stadium every day this week :).
Go Pats!!!!!

I wouldn't go so far as to say they don't get any respect. They're going to be favored in the game and if they win I don't think anyone in here would be hugely shocked. I just think that the rap against Manning before last postseason was that he couldn't win a playoff game and he did that, and the rap against him this year is that he can't beat NE-- kind of the way everyone complained about how Favre couldn't beat the Cowboys early in his tenure in GB-- and I think he'll overcome that this year.

But your complaint against the Colts D is well-founded. They're not exactly the Steel Curtain, are they? :lol: More like the Papier Mache Standup a lot of the time. :rotfl: But they are very young and have progressed during the season.

We'll see.

[fanofsteel]

One thing that is for sure; if you're a football fan this weekend is nirvana !:D

[Zungas]

E-A-G-L-E-S....EAGLES!!!!! On the Road to Victory!!!!

[Unbreakable Lex]

I soooo hope the eagles win this week.


So they can loose for the forth str8 championship game!

Forget the Bills, atleast they won something.

:lol:

Sucka's

(Redskin fan with notable grudge against philly fan, cannot stand them, it sux when you feel like a minority being a skins fan at a skins home game against philly)

[truemeathead]

I HATE THE PATS. Does anyone remember the pump fake fiasco against my team the RAIDAS. I hope Manning can finally handle the Pats and that the Eagles don't even get to the Championship game, my buddy is a big time Eagles fan and I tell him all the time there is no quarterback better at choking in the big game the Donovan I hope this holds true this year, Big Ben is on the brink of doing something pretty amazing this year but can he finish what he started-we'll have to wait and see. I pick The Colts to pull it out finally come on Peyton do it for the best bad team quarterback ever-YOUR DADDY!

[Kal-L, The Original]

I don't have a problem with the Pats. They are the epitome of a great team in which the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. I don't have any special dislike for them or anyone on their team. I just think the Colts are in a position to win this game, and I think they will.

But what is going on with Vanderjagt? What the hell is wrong with this guy?!? :lol: Jeez-- what is he _thinking_? First he calls out The Franchise a couple years ago and now the reigning NFL Champs?!?

Now the coolest thing here is that if Peyton Manning had said this stuff, or maybe Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeney-- anybody else on the team other than the punter ;) -- it would actually be all right. I don't think any of those guys have it in them to be like that, but at least they have something to do with winning the game. You can win Super Bowls with very average kickers-- it's done with regularity-- but not very often do you have a championship team that doesn't have a superior quarterback or receivers or defensive players.

Mike Vanderjagt should show up Sunday with his mouth taped shut. :rotfl:

I give the Patriots credit, though. It's not like they're taking what he said seriously.

Oh, and as for the Eagles-- if they don't win this week Andy Reid should be fired. There's just no way they should lose to the Vikes.

[fanofsteel]

Originally posted by truemeathead
I HATE THE PATS. Does anyone remember the pump fake fiasco against my team the RAIDAS.


I'll never forget it !!!!!:D

[Zungas]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
I soooo hope the eagles win this week.


So they can loose for the forth str8 championship game!

Forget the Bills, atleast they won something.

:lol:

Sucka's

(Redskin fan with notable grudge against philly fan, cannot stand them, it sux when you feel like a minority being a skins fan at a skins home game against philly)

I admire your courage coming to Philly to see the game. We have a lot of nutjobs who know nothing but eagles football and love to rag on opposing fans. That's why were the city of brotherly love. I'm 19 and have not witnessed a pro championship with any of the 4 Philly teams. We're cursed. At least we continue to beat the Redskins and actually make the playoffs. The Redskins have a bright future with.......who's your QB?

[M.D.]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
Now the coolest thing here is that if Peyton Manning had said this stuff, or maybe Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeney-- anybody else on the team other than the punter ;) -- it would actually be all right.

a) He is a kicker, not a punter.

b) try telling that to the team that loses by three points because their average kicker missed a field goal. (and New England would NOT have won several games without their talented and quite above average kicker.)

c) It would not be all right for anyone to make those comments. It is stupid to guarantee a victory before the game. The football gods do not look kindly on such hubris.

[Chi Town]

Originally posted by M.D.


c) It would not be all right for anyone to make those comments. It is stupid to guarantee a victory before the game. The football gods do not look kindly on such hubris. [/B]

Except if your Joe Nammoth.
:lol:

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Zungas
I admire your courage coming to Philly to see the game. We have a lot of nutjobs who know nothing but eagles football and love to rag on opposing fans. That's why were the city of brotherly love. I'm 19 and have not witnessed a pro championship with any of the 4 Philly teams. We're cursed. At least we continue to beat the Redskins and actually make the playoffs. The Redskins have a bright future with.......who's your QB?

ohhhhh you are on my **** list.

Ill name some quarterbacks,

Theisman
Williams
Rypien

Do you know what these three have in common?

A superbowl ring.

Who do you have with anywhere near that experience?

Jaws??

[Zungas]

I'm talking about the future not the past. I have nothing but respect for the Redskins past success. I guess just stating reality get's a special spot on your **** list. Enjoy the games this weekend.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by M.D.
a) He is a kicker, not a punter.

b) try telling that to the team that loses by three points because their average kicker missed a field goal. (and New England would NOT have won several games without their talented and quite above average kicker.)

c) It would not be all right for anyone to make those comments. It is stupid to guarantee a victory before the game. The football gods do not look kindly on such hubris.

a: I know he's the kicker, that's why I said any other player on the team OTHER than the punter. I was differentiating the kicker and punter from the rest of the team.

b: As for great kickers: I know they can be important, but the New Orleans Saints had one of the five or six best kickers in NFL history for years and never made it past the first round of the playoffs the one or two times they actually made it there at all. Pittsburgh, Dallas, San Francisco, and Green Bay have all won multiple Super Bowls with non-descript kickers.

c: I'm not arguing that anyone should guarantee victory, although it did work out pretty well for Broadway Joe, just saying that if anyone's going to it should be someone in a position to affect the game in a substantial way. I don't care how great your kicker is, if the offense can't drive the ball into his range he's irrelevant. Likewise, if the defense can't stop the other team, the kicker is irrelevant.


Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
ohhhhh you are on my **** list.

Ill name some quarterbacks,

Theisman
Williams
Rypien

Do you know what these three have in common?

A superbowl ring.

Who do you have with anywhere near that experience?

Jaws??

Now, I _know_ you're not saying you'd rather have Mark Rypien playing for you than Donovan McNabb. :rotfl:

I think Gibbs will probably go with Patrick Ramsey at QB next season. I've always liked Brunell, but he just wasn't getting the job done. You never know, though, Gibbs has said that Brunell's not done. We'll just have to wait and see.

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by fanofsteel
I'll never forget it !!!!!:D

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhh!!!!!!!!!!:mad:


Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
ohhhhh you are on my **** list.

Ill name some quarterbacks,

Theisman
Williams
Rypien

Do you know what these three have in common?

A superbowl ring.

Who do you have with anywhere near that experience?

Jaws??


that first line just made me laugh out loud and catch a what the hell are you doing look from my supervisor:rotfl:

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Zungas
I'm talking about the future not the past. I have nothing but respect for the Redskins past success. I guess just stating reality get's a special spot on your **** list. Enjoy the games this weekend.

Yes, reality sux for me, as I have endured 12 years of hell from my beloved skins, not even our savior seems to be able to change that!!!

I'm joking with you by the way. No hard feelings!


Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
Now, I _know_ you're not saying you'd rather have Mark Rypien playing for you than Donovan McNabb. :rotfl:

Who has the ring?


Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
I think Gibbs will probably go with Patrick Ramsey at QB next season. I've always liked Brunell, but he just wasn't getting the job done. You never know, though, Gibbs has said that Brunell's not done. We'll just have to wait and see.

Im actually not sure Ramsey is going to stay, Gibbs has said that he is the starter but last week he went through the roster and there is rumbling in DC that both of them may be gone.

[TATEone]

VIKINGS VIKINGS VIKINGS!!!!

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[Zungas]

It's all good. Randy is getting ready for the Eagles boot this Sunday.

[fanofsteel]

Originally posted by Zungas
It's all good. Randy is getting ready for the Eagles boot this Sunday.


Got a kick outta that!!!!!!!!:lol:

[TATEone]

Originally posted by Zungas
It's all good. Randy is getting ready for the Eagles boot this Sunday.

Good one:mad:

:D



Everyone knows that Randy got slapped with a 10 G fine for his mooning impression. Today this is what he had to say about it....

Reporter: "Write the check yet, Randy?"

Moss: "When you're rich you don't write checks."

Reporter: "If you don't write checks, how do you pay these guys?"

Moss: "Straight cashm homey."

Reporter: "Randy, are you upset about the fine?"

Moss: "No, cause it ain't [expletive]. Ain't nothing but 10 grand. What's 10 grand to me? Ain't [expletive] ... Next time I might shake my [expletive]."



I know there are probably a lot of haters out there, but I love the guy. You never know what he is gonna say. :D

[Chi Town]

Wonder how much he gave to tsunami relief or charity. I mean I really don't know but it is his money.

I don't like Randy and I didn't approve. But when I found out that GB has a tendency to moon the other bus I was a lot less irked and actually didn't mind it.

Either way oh well.
:rolleyes:

[TVHOG]

You may not believe me, but at the first of the season, right after the first games, I picked Indy and Atlanta to go to the Superbowl this year. My score: Indy 31 - Atlanta 17. Not sure if Atlanta can make it now though. Vick is a very dangerous runner, but not the best passer (yet). From what Ive seen so far Indy will be there unless Manning gets injured.

[fanofsteel]

Cough................ahem...............
Manning + Game against the Patriots = no Indy SuperBowl this year.

[TVHOG]

I think this is the year the Pats go down. Sorry.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Its time, greatest weekend in all of sports!!!!

The NFL elite 8!!!!!!

Jets at Pitt - Can the rookie play not like a rookie? Whose ground game is going to win out, will Martian run over the #1 defense or will the Jets be catching the bus?

Pitt - 24 - Jets - 13

Rams at Falcons - The greatest show on turf collides with the greatest show in cleats. Will the Falcons front four pressure Bulger into making bad decisions or will he eat up their secondary. Can Vick buck the Rams defense? Can anyone other then Superman make a play for the A T L?

Rams - 34 - Falcons - 28

Vikes at Philly - Can the Vikings win outdoors? Can Culpepper find Moss deep? How will McNabb do without Mr. Showboat? Will Westbrook make the Vikes D look ameture?

Philly - 27 - Vikes - 20

Now for THE MAIN EVENT. The real SUPERBOWL!!

Indy at NE Once again, Manning and his arsenal make a visit to Foxboro where the defending champs try to once again shutdown the greatest offensive arsenal since, well, Warner and Faulk. Can playboy Brady make enough plays behind the running of Mr. Bengal, and can the Pats depleted secondary stop any of Manning's Colts? The NFL changed its rules because of this game, was it worth it?

Indy - 38 - Pats 20

[Zungas]

Couldn't agree more with the picks.

[TATEone]

You got the Steelers right, but as of right now the Falcons are whipping the Rams.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Steelers-Jets: Damn, what a great game! I seriously thought Pitt was gone when Roethlisberger threw that interception at the end of the game. I couldn't believe the Jets kicker missed that second kick. But the Steelers won, and that's all that mattered.

Falcons-Rams: Damn, what a great game-- uh-- the Falcons had! :lol: They smacked the Rams around in a way I didn't think was possible for them. The Falcons are generally a defensive team that controls the ball and wears their opponent's defense down while sacking their offense into submission. They just flat-out _hammered_ the Rams, looking even more impressive than Indy did last week.

My Super Bowl is still intact. Tomorrow we find out who gets to lose to these two teams in the Conference Championship Games. ;)

I'm picking Indy and Philly, but the Eagles would be the only real surprise if they lost-- and that would be a shocker! The Pats are still the NFL Champs and they were 14-2 this season; it just can't really surprise anyone if they win a game against _anyone_ at home.

[Sharkie]

Go Atlanta! WOOOOOOOOOOOT!

[TATEone]

If the Vikings can win tomorrow I will be happy. Not only cause I am a Vikes fan, but I hate the Eagles.

[Zungas]

Originally posted by TATEone
If the Vikings can win tomorrow I will be happy. Not only cause I am a Vikes fan, but I hate the Eagles.

Maybe next year;)

[M.D.]

Looks like Indy is choking..

[TATEone]

Damn Vikings! Why must they let me down every year! Anyways atleast its not the first time. Man what happen to Indy today. I guess the Pats are once again Peytons daddy.


Originally posted by Zungas
Maybe next year;)

:D GO FALCONS:D
;)

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[M.D.]

Yeah, I hope the Falcons roll it! It would be cool if they blow out NE.. I would be routing for NE in the superbowl (cause I like dynasties), except it really pisses me off that the NE commentators immediately come out gloating with "Peyton sucks, Brady is the better QB" articles. Their reasoning is always, Look who has the superbowl ring. Dudes, TRENT DILFER has a super bowl ring. Are these NE guys seriously saying Dilfer is a better QB because he has a superbowl ring and Peyton doesnt? I agree NE was the better team, but please stop with the Peyton-hatin'... And just because of the NE attitude... Go Falcons!

[TVHOG]

I guess Manning better learn how to pass in the snow, cause the Pats stopped him cold, again.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Well, I was 2-1-1 last weekend-- the tie was the Jets-Chargers, which was just too close to call, and the loss was Vikings-Packers, which I still have a hard time believing-- and I was 3-1 this weekend. The only game I let my heart overrule my head was Indy-NE because I like Peyton so much, and it was, predictably, the only one I lost. I still can't believe the way the Colts were man-handled but that's what happened. Hats off to the Patriots coaching staff and players, who came up with an effective game plan against one of the best offenses in football history and executed it to perfection. My only problem with this now is that Peyton and Tony Dungy are now left with this game as the last memory of this stellar season, and now they have to answer all the questions, while no one is going to ask Bill Polian why he would waste _any_ draft pick on an offensive player, especially in the first three rounds, when this team so desperately needs defensive help.

My Super Bowl's still intact, but I really wish Indy had won because the Pats did to them what I expected the Steelers to do :lol: , now I'm not sure what's going to happen. The coolest thing about this game is that it matches a quarterback who's never lost a playoff game-- Brady-- against a quarterback who's never lost a game in the NFL at all-- Roethlisberger-- and now something's gotta give. I'm not changing my pick, but I have to say that NE may be the team again this year. This should be a great game.

Philly is at home and they have a great defense and a great offense and the game is outside in the cold and it's probably going to be snowing and Atlanta's a dome team with nothing on offense except a running game and Vick's athleticism and a good offense that doesn't match the Eagles'. Despite all that I'm sticking with the Falcons. I think this is going to be a great game as well, probably lower scoring than it would appear from this weekend's games in which both of these superior teams played sub-par defenses.

[Zungas]

I'm praying the fourth time is a charm of the eagles. The city and I can't handle another disappointment.

[fanofsteel]

Originally posted by M.D.
Yeah, I hope the Falcons roll it! It would be cool if they blow out NE.. I would be routing for NE in the superbowl (cause I like dynasties), except it really pisses me off that the NE commentators immediately come out gloating with "Peyton sucks, Brady is the better QB" articles. Their reasoning is always, Look who has the superbowl ring. Dudes, TRENT DILFER has a super bowl ring. Are these NE guys seriously saying Dilfer is a better QB because he has a superbowl ring and Peyton doesnt? I agree NE was the better team, but please stop with the Peyton-hatin'... And just because of the NE attitude... Go Falcons!

Brady is the better quarterback, undefeated in the playoffs, 2 SuperBowl wins, back to back 14-2 seasons, the evidence is there to see and difficult to argue against; but that doesn't infer that Manning sucks.
Some of the ire here was generated by the canonization of Manning and the vaunted Colt's offense without a peep about the Patriots capabilities.
Pittsburgh's game against the Jets didn't exactly look impressive. If they bring the same effort against the Pats next Sunday they are done!
Phillie should handle Atlanta fairly easily. The Falcon's are a one trick pony ( Vick ).
Gonna be another great day for football fans!

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by fanofsteel
Brady is the better quarterback, undefeated in the playoffs, 2 SuperBowl wins, back to back 14-2 seasons, the evidence is there to see and difficult to argue against; but that doesn't infer that Manning sucks.


But this is exactly the kind of nonsense MD was talking about. See, the problem with that argument is that Tom Brady didn't go 14-2 the last two years, and Tom Brady didn't win two Super Bowls-- the New England Patriots did. Tom Brady had a hand in it-- and I'm by no means saying he's a "caretaker" here; he is definitely a playmaker-- but your argument says that he would've done these same things if he played for the Arizona Cardinals, and that's just not reality.

Look at what happened two seasons ago, when the Pats couldn't run the ball at all and their defense wasn't as strong. Did Tom Brady win the Super Bowl that season? Did he even get into the playoffs that season? Did he even have a winning record that season? The answer to all these questions is no. And my question now is, "Why didn't he?"

He didn't because this is a team game and without a solid team around him no quarterback, no matter how good he is, can win a championship.

As for your picks this weekend: I don't really have an argument. NE can beat Pitt-- it wouldn't be a huge surprise; the Pats are battle-tested, although I still think the Steelers are the better team this season-- and Philly is actually a better team than Atlanta-- but the Eagles were a better team than Carolina last season, too, so I'll believe it when I see it from them.

[Disco]

I've learned long ago never to bet against the Patriots. Not that they will win again but they just have a nack for squeeking by when needed.

[TVHOG]

I have to take it up with you on Philly being a better team last year than Carolina. Last year the Panthers beat the Eagles because McNabb couldnt get it in the inzone. Carolina had/has the best front four in the NFL and they played really great defense on the Eagles receivers in that game. So maybe Philly had a better record than the Panthers, but I still dont think they were a better team. This year, I would have said that the Eagles would be in the Superbowl, but when Owens got hurt I counted them out. They played great against the Vikes, but Atlanta is total different team. I think it will be close, because of the Hotlanta defense and for the simple fact that Owens probably will not play.

[fanofsteel]

Kal-L, when did I say that Tom Brady could make Arizona a Super Bowl contender?
Of course there has never been a quarterback who can single handedly carry a football team to victory on a consistent basis, he must be surrounded by equally capable players, both on offense and defense, and the coaching staff must also be strongly factored in.
Tom Brady has absolutely no input that allowed the Pats defense to shut down the Colt's, but I think you can agree that the quarterback is the central position on a football team, and it makes pefect sense to evaluate the talent of a quarterback based on the consistent success of the team he plays for. I certainly recognize that Peyton Manning is also a great quarterback and if he played for the Patriots he also would be collecting the rings, but my personal opinion is that Tom Brady is the better player.

My response to M.D. was spurred on by his comparison of the quality of Tom Brady's quarterback play to Trent Dilfer because Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring also? I was pointing out a record that demonstrates the futility of that argument.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by fanofsteel
Kal-L, when did I say that Tom Brady could make Arizona a Super Bowl contender?
Of course there has never been a quarterback who can single handedly carry a football team to victory on a consistent basis, he must be surrounded by equally capable players, both on offense and defense, and the coaching staff must also be strongly factored in.
Tom Brady has absolutely no input that allowed the Pats defense to shut down the Colt's, but I think you can agree that the quarterback is the central position on a football team, and it makes pefect sense to evaluate the talent of a quarterback based on the consistent success of the team he plays for. I certainly recognize that Peyton Manning is also a great quarterback and if he played for the Patriots he also would be collecting the rings, but my personal opinion is that Tom Brady is the better player.

My response to M.D. was spurred on by his comparison of the quality of Tom Brady's quarterback play to Trent Dilfer because Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring also? I was pointing out a record that demonstrates the futility of that argument.

You said Tom Brady won two Super Bowls; I pointed out that he was a member of a _team_ that won those games. And the Cardinals only came into it because the "<name a quarterback> won x number of championships" argument excludes the team concept and the logical extension of that line of reasoning is that that player would win anywhere, with any other players around him and that just doesn't make any sense.

Same with the amount of wins a pitcher has being used to determine the Cy Young winner.

BTW, sorry if the earlier post seemed harsher than I meant it to.

[fanofsteel]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
You said Tom Brady won two Super Bowls; I pointed out that he was a member of a _team_ that won those games. And the Cardinals only came into it because the "<name a quarterback> won x number of championships" argument excludes the team concept and the logical extension of that line of reasoning is that that player would win anywhere, with any other players around him and that just doesn't make any sense.

Same with the amount of wins a pitcher has being used to determine the Cy Young winner.

BTW, sorry if the earlier post seemed harsher than I meant it to.

No problem here Kal-L.

We totally agree , especially in football. No one player is the show.

But again I think that the consistent success of a football team is a valid factor to site when evaluating the quality of the quarterback play.

[Unbreakable Lex]

That’s like saying that Elway was a better quarterback then Marino. It simply is not true.

Brady is a great leader, an above average quarterback.

Many can say that you have to judge a quarterback by his record, and I find that unfair. What if Brady had guys dropping passes or fumbling or a defense that couldn’t stop anyone? What if their O line was horrible? Too many factors are involved in football to rate a player on their won - loss ratio.

The best way to judge a quarterback is yards per attempt.

That, by the way, is also the same exact stat you should use to uncover the team that has the best chance to win the superbowl. ;)

Check it out.

But to say Brady is better then Manning because of the rings and his won loss record is absolutely ridiculous.

[fanofsteel]

I believe it is a valid factor, but not a be all end all rule.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by fanofsteel
I believe it is a valid factor, but not a be all end all rule.

My only question there is if you admit that Manning would have those rings and would've won those games had he played for the Pats, how can you then turn around and say that Brady is a better QB? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

[M.D.]

Sorry to have started the Bruhaha guys! :p I think that Brady is a phenominal QB to have led his team to 2 superbowl wins, but like UL, its like comparing Marino and Elway.. Elway was more successful at his position, but Marino was more proficient at his position. See the difference? Obviously, Brady is a more successful QB. Manning is more proficient.

[fanofsteel]

Originally posted by M.D.
Sorry to have started the Bruhaha guys! :p

Heck why, sports discussions like this are fun.:)



Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
That’s like saying that Elway was a better quarterback then Marino. It simply is not true.

What about a Montana / Marino comparison?
Montana won games, and Marino produced stats.;)



Brady is a great leader, an above average quarterback.

UL I hope you're baiting me with this, otherwise I'ld have serious doubts re. your judgement of quarterback talent.:confused:




The best way to judge a quarterback is yards per attempt.That, by the way, is also the same exact stat you should use to uncover the team that has the best chance to win the superbowl.



That would be the Colts?! :confused: :confused: ;)




Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
My only question there is if you admit that Manning would have those rings and would've won those games had he played for the Pats, how can you then turn around and say that Brady is a better QB? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

Peyton Manning is a very good quarterback and the Patriots are a very good team, there's no reason that he shouldn't enjoy success also. That really has nothing to do, I think, with who the better player is. Ultimately the result of a Brady / Manning debate will be easier decided after their careers are over and there is a comprehensive body of work to consider. I would say at this point tho, that in the clutch give me Tom Brady anyday

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by fanofsteel
But again I think that the consistent success of a football team is a valid factor to site when evaluating the quality of the quarterback play. Not nessecarily. Some great QBs had success at different times. Look at John Elway for instance. He never played in a bowl game at Stanford, let alone win a Pac-10 Championship, but he is always listed among the greats.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by fanofsteel
Heck why, sports discussions like this are fun.:)
What about a Montana / Marino comparison?
Montana won games, and Marino produced stats.;)

UL I hope you're baiting me with this, otherwise I'ld have serious doubts re. your judgement of quarterback talent.:confused:

That would be the Colts?! :confused: :confused: ;)

Peyton Manning is a very good quarterback and the Patriots are a very good team, there's no reason that he shouldn't enjoy success also. That really has nothing to do, I think, with who the better player is. Ultimately the result of a Brady / Manning debate will be easier decided after their careers are over and there is a comprehensive body of work to consider. I would say at this point tho, that in the clutch give me Tom Brady anyday

For arguments sake, lets switch teams. Lets put Manning with the Pats and Brady with the Colts.

Who wins then?

I win. :p

[truemeathead]

I hate the Pats but they are good team. Peyton is a far better quarterback than Brady but the pats defense and mother nature combined can conquer Peyton. There are two types of quarterbacks in the retrospect sense of speaking the winners and the record holders, Joe Montana didn't have the greatest arm strength and couldn't run a 4.5 40 but he led his team to 4 rings Marino although great never won the great game. To put it in perspective look at it like this would you rather have a quarterback who is gonna put up records on your team or one who will have a above average season but the goods and know how to take your team to a superbowl victory. I for one want the ring I could care less if my qb breaks a record I wanna a W in the big game.

[fanofsteel]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
For arguments sake, lets switch teams. Lets put Manning with the Pats and Brady with the Colts.

Who wins then?

I win. :p

You'ld have to play the game, wouldn't you, but for arguments sake, it's a playoff game a do or die no tomorrow pressure cooker, and using the history of each quarterback and their respective records in similar games ( 2 Superbowl MVP awards ) I'ld have to go with...............................:D

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by truemeathead
I hate the Pats but they are good team. Peyton is a far better quarterback than Brady but the pats defense and mother nature combined can conquer Peyton. There are two types of quarterbacks in the retrospect sense of speaking the winners and the record holders, Joe Montana didn't have the greatest arm strength and couldn't run a 4.5 40 but he led his team to 4 rings Marino although great never won the great game. To put it in perspective look at it like this would you rather have a quarterback who is gonna put up records on your team or one who will have a above average season but the goods and know how to take your team to a superbowl victory. I for one want the ring I could care less if my qb breaks a record I wanna a W in the big game.

Yeah, but could Montana have won a Super Bowl with no running game-- which Marino never had until the very end of his career-- no defense-- which Marino only had twice in his career and the first time he took the Dolphins to the SB-- and no West Coast offense?

I'm not saying Montana's not a great QB, but I have to point out that the 49ers also won a SB with Steve Young after JM left for the Chiefs-- a team that ran the same offense as the 49ers and had a comparable defense and running game but that Montana never took anywhere.

All I'm saying is that there's a lot that goes into making a championship team, from the front office that allows for the signing and retention of players to the coaching staff that puts those players in situations where they can be successful to the players who have to execute the game plan they've practiced to. To put all the blame or credit on the QB is ridiculous.

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
Yeah, but could Montana have won a Super Bowl with no running game-- which Marino never had until the very end of his career-- no defense-- which Marino only had twice in his career and the first time he took the Dolphins to the SB-- and no West Coast offense?

I'm not saying Montana's not a great QB, but I have to point out that the 49ers also won a SB with Steve Young after JM left for the Chiefs-- a team that ran the same offense as the 49ers and had a comparable defense and running game but that Montana never took anywhere.

All I'm saying is that there's a lot that goes into making a championship team, from the front office that allows for the signing and retention of players to the coaching staff that puts those players in situations where they can be successful to the players who have to execute the game plan they've practiced to. To put all the blame or credit on the QB is ridiculous.


Ask Dan Marino if he would rather have his records or Joe Montana's rings and you'll find your answer-also I never put anything on qb's that was the discussion when I popped in here they aren't called football quarterbacks they are called football TEAMS trust me I know that I was on a FOOTBALL TEAM and know it isn't one player but 53 offense, defense, and special teams

[fanofsteel]

Lets look at this discussion from another angle shall we.
There have been many very good quarterbacks and they are or were a major contributing factor to the success or failure of their team, other than the center they hold the ball on every offensive play. However as has been argued quite well the quarterback is not the only owner of a teams winning record and is not the only person responsible for it. Simply put no one player can win a football game it's a team effort, however one player can certainly lose a football game, and the great quarterbacks seldom if ever lose the game, and in the playoff games and the Superbowls the Pats have been in that is what Tom Brady has done. He may not have single handedly led them to victory, (although it's worth pointing out that in both Super Bowls he was awarded the MVP)but neither did he cost them any victories. That's were the difference lies.

[truemeathead]

Just to reiterate the whole team concept Trent Dilfer was the qb on The Ravens superbowl team when they stomped the Giants and we all know Dilfer isn't a great qb but he helped his TEAM get the job done-defense should never be overlooked unless it is a offensive shootout:D

[Zungas]

Defense wins Championships.

[TVHOG]

Actually according to SI.com, thats a myth. They compiled statistics on that statement and its not necessarily true. I think it was more true that a good defense and offense wins championships. They may still have that column up.

[truemeathead]

Oh defense for sure wins look at Baltimore and Tampa they pitched shut outs but, look at Indy great offense but New England's d shut them down bad.

[TVHOG]

New England has a great offense overall and If I recall Baltimore had a great running game while Tampa had a good passing game. All Im saying is that defense alone cannot win. Defense and offense must be good. I think a team can be built around defense, but they must have atleast a good offense to move the ball and put points on the board.

Washington had a good defense this year, but their offense sucked. Denver's defense was like ranked 4th of 5th, but their offense faltered at the end (So did their defense, but Manning was on fire in that game). Dallas had a good defense, but they couldnt move the ball enough. I could go on, but you get my point.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by truemeathead
Oh defense for sure wins look at Baltimore and Tampa they pitched shut outs but, look at Indy great offense but New England's d shut them down bad.

Do the Rams ring a bell?

Regarding the Quaterback discussion, statistics are all that really matters. Joe Montana had Jerry Rice and a "new" passing attack called the "west coast" offense. Montana had some help. Not until Elway got the "zone" blocking o line was he ever going to win a championship.

In the past 20 years, the only player that I think single handedly won a championship for his team is Brett Farve and he didnt even win the MVP award.

So really, comparing them isn't real fair. Brady doesn't put up the numbers of a Manning or a Marino or a Warner for that matter. He is surrounded with decent players but not one of them is a real "standout". Its a team game and the pats win as a team. Brady is the right qback for that TEAM. Thats really what it boils down too.

Rothelswhatshisname is a perfect example of that and so is Dilfer, Rypien, Brad Johnson, Phil Simms and Joe Montana. It doesn't mean any of those quarterbacks are any better then other quarterbacks, they just fit the system and did what they were asked of.

I think the superbowl is going to be

New England Vs. Atlanta.

Take that with a grain of salt since im only batting around 500 in the playoffs. :lol:

[truemeathead]

Baltimore has had and does have a notoriously bad offense for years now Jamal Lewis is the only offensive weapon they have, (and Todd Heap)and I'm not even sure if he was part of the superbowl team. I'm not saying defense only but if you have a below average offense and a stellar defense you can win big time. The Ravens shut down the giants (I think) at the tune of 34-7 and the Ravens had a crappy offense that year. And the defense scored like two or three td's against my RAIDAS in the superbowl.

Mediocre offense + stellar defense=better shot at winning
stellar offense + mediocre defense=better shot at losing

My RAIDERS were the best offense in 2002 Gannon was a madman that year but we got shut down bad (Gruden knew the plays because THEY WERE HIS)
The Colts were a offensive juggernaut this year but a good defense held them to 3 points and posted 20-at that rate 6 points would have been more than enough to win because the defense shut them down. Yes it's a team game but a better defense gives you a better chance to win. Look at offensive oriented teams over the past couple of years
Vikings-lost to the Falcons in 99 the year they had 500+ points
the Chiefs got stomped last year

Lets look back a couple of years last year Pats beat Carolina, year before Tampa beat Oakland, year before that Pats beat the Rams 20-17 that was when the Rams were "the greatest show on turf" and they got held to 17 points year before that was Balt. The last offense oriented team to win the big game was St Louis when they beat tennessee. So in closing yes everyone needs to play and play at least decent but I'd take a shut down defense and a offense with the ability to give me 17 points a game over a offense that can score 30 with a defense that will give up 31.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Do the Rams ring a bell?

Regarding the Quaterback discussion, statistics are all that really matters. Joe Montana had Jerry Rice and a "new" passing attack called the "west coast" offense. Montana had some help. Not until Elway got the "zone" blocking o line was he ever going to win a championship.

In the past 20 years, the only player that I think single handedly won a championship for his team is Brett Farve and he didnt even win the MVP award.

So really, comparing them isn't real fair. Brady doesn't put up the numbers of a Manning or a Marino or a Warner for that matter. He is surrounded with decent players but not one of them is a real "standout". Its a team game and the pats win as a team. Brady is the right qback for that TEAM. Thats really what it boils down too.

Rothelswhatshisname is a perfect example of that and so is Dilfer, Rypien, Brad Johnson, Phil Simms and Joe Montana. It doesn't mean any of those quarterbacks are any better then other quarterbacks, they just fit the system and did what they were asked of.

I think the superbowl is going to be

New England Vs. Atlanta.

Take that with a grain of salt since im only batting around 500 in the playoffs. :lol:

The year they won the SB, I'm almost positive the Rams were in the top ten in total defense-- I think they were eighth.

The only other real argument I would have with any of this is that _no_ player wins a championship singlehanded, not even Favre-- the Packers had a pretty good running game and a very solid defense--, and I would submit that he wasn't even the team MVP at that time. That was probably Reggie White.

As for your _current_ SB pick: Some of us <ahem> are still stuck with our original picks, since none of _our_ teams got knocked out in the <cough, cough> FIRST FREAKIN' ROUND!!:rotfl: LOSER!! LOSER!!! Nyah, nyah!!!

There we go-- that was mature, handled in an adult manner. :rotfl:

Seriously, though, if it turns out to be NE vs. Philly I will not be surprised at all. If NE goes and loses to either Atl. or the Eagles I'd be surprised. The only problem at all with Pittsburgh is Roethlisberger, but did he look like crap against NY last week because the Jets just match up against him better-- he didn't play well against them earlier this season, either-- or was it the pressure of the playoffs? We'll see this weekend.

Still sticking by my picks-- but I admit I'd feel a lot better right now if Indy'd gotten by the Pats. :lol:

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Do the Rams ring a bell?

Regarding the Quaterback discussion, statistics are all that really matters. Joe Montana had Jerry Rice and a "new" passing attack called the "west coast" offense. Montana had some help. Not until Elway got the "zone" blocking o line was he ever going to win a championship.

In the past 20 years, the only player that I think single handedly won a championship for his team is Brett Farve and he didnt even win the MVP award.

So really, comparing them isn't real fair. Brady doesn't put up the numbers of a Manning or a Marino or a Warner for that matter. He is surrounded with decent players but not one of them is a real "standout". Its a team game and the pats win as a team. Brady is the right qback for that TEAM. Thats really what it boils down too.

Rothelswhatshisname is a perfect example of that and so is Dilfer, Rypien, Brad Johnson, Phil Simms and Joe Montana. It doesn't mean any of those quarterbacks are any better then other quarterbacks, they just fit the system and did what they were asked of.

I think the superbowl is going to be

New England Vs. Atlanta.

Take that with a grain of salt since im only batting around 500 in the playoffs. :lol:

Yes the Rams do ring a bell does 44-17 ring a bell that would be the score of the Falcons Rams game last week. That vaunted St Louis offense got shut down by Jim Mora's excellent defense. They were held scoreless in the second half and Atl's d got a safety, a pick, a forced fumble, and four sacks. Oh and let's not forget about the bell ringing Rams defense that gave up 44 points ok 37 counting the Rossum td. So let's recap the Falcons and the bell ringing Rams: good defense shuts down a good offense and a ok offense (which the Falcons are this year they have had good moments and bad but this year's success is all the D's they beat the CARDINALS by a score 6-3 this year when Vick had to do it all they snuck in the back door then lost in the 2nd round) post 44 points on a below average defense. One team is on vacation the other is in the NFC championship game-the one with a good D.

Kal l- Desmond Howard won the MVP that year the Pack won due to his two great kick and punt returns.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by truemeathead
Kal l- Desmond Howard won the MVP that year the Pack won due to his two great kick and punt returns.

I meant team MVP for the season, not just the one game.

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
I meant team MVP for the season, not just the one game.

If that is what you meant then you were wrong Favre won that year and the year before when he was co mvp with Barry Sanders he is one of the few to win multiple mvps and even fewer to win back to back.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by truemeathead
If that is what you meant then you were wrong Favre won that year and the year before when he was co mvp with Barry Sanders he is one of the few to win multiple mvps and even fewer to win back to back.

I wasn't talking about the award-- I'm not sure Reggie White ever won an MVP Award-- I just meant that I believe he was more important in Green Bay getting to and winning the SB that season than any other single player, including Brett Favre.

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
I wasn't talking about the award-- I'm not sure Reggie White ever won an MVP Award-- I just meant that I believe he was more important in Green Bay getting to and winning the SB that season than any other single player, including Brett Favre.

Then your still wrong Favre played a way bigger role than Reggie and as you can see I've been ranting about defense in this thread but no way you can say Reggie played a bigger role than Brett in their superbowl season. That might very well have been Brett Favre's best year, Reggie's best years were with Philadelphia-don't get me wrong he was a great player and he played extremely well in Green Bay but he wasn't in his peak and Brett was. And it is highly unlikely that a guy will win a league MVP award and not get his teams mvp award that makes no sense.

[fanofsteel]

If we saw the playoff Roth.. yada.. yada in the Jets game, the AFC is a lock and the Pats defense will be the Pats offense, Brady and company just have to hold on to the football and not turn it over. If not the Pats are in for a very tough challenge.
In the NFC battle of the birds the Eagles should handle the Falcons with ease. Shut down Vick and Atlanta is grounded.

Super Bowl: Patriots vs Philladelphia

Can't wait for Sunday afternoon!

By the way; Widescreen or Fullscreen?

[TVHOG]

My pick for weekend games: As much as I would like to see the Steelers win this game, I have go with the Pats. Roslewhathisname will not be able to overcome his inexperience in playoff situations. The Pats and Brady have been here many times. Pats - 24 Steeler 14. As for Philly and Atlanta, I really would like to see Vick pass for 300 yards and run for 80 or more, but it aint gonna happen. The wet/cold field conditions will hinder him greatly. Philly 21 Atlanta 13.

As for the defense vs offense discussion, I have to say that if I was building a team I would probably start with defense (depending on who is available in the draft). But offense is very important, because if your defense is always on the field, no matter how good they are, they will eventually wear down. Thats why a team with a decent offense will run the ball a lot sometimes. The are trying to wear them down and open up the passing lanes. Geez, I sound like John Madden. LOL!

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by truemeathead
Then your still wrong Favre played a way bigger role than Reggie and as you can see I've been ranting about defense in this thread but no way you can say Reggie played a bigger role than Brett in their superbowl season. That might very well have been Brett Favre's best year, Reggie's best years were with Philadelphia-don't get me wrong he was a great player and he played extremely well in Green Bay but he wasn't in his peak and Brett was. And it is highly unlikely that a guy will win a league MVP award and not get his teams mvp award that makes no sense.

Okay, have it your way. I'm wrong. And so is Ron Wolfe, who built the team and said Reggie White was the single most important factor in their getting to the SB, and so is Mike Holmgren, the team's coach who has said the same thing.

Like I said: I'm not talking about any kind of organized award given by media personnel. It's simply my contention that the signing of Reggie White opened Green Bay to players it previously had no chance at getting, and changed the dynamic of the team in such a way that it got them to the SB, rather than getting knocked in the first round by Dallas as was the case before RW went there.

And I wasn't _wrong_. I said that was my opinion and it is.

[TVHOG]

Take your pick. I dont think the pack would have made it to the SB without Reggie or Brett. They were/are two great players.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by TVHOG
Take your pick. I dont think the pack would have made it to the SB without Reggie or Brett. They were/are two great players.

I understand what you're saying.

Let me put this another way, maybe explain what I mean better. I'm going to offer a concrete example of what I'm talking about. I am _not_ comparing RW, BF, or anyone else's impact to this athlete but just for argument's sake...

Jackie Robinson is one of the five most important athletes in American history. I can understand-- sort of-- how an argument could be made that he's not _the_ most important athlete, but I see no way conceivable that any truly rational argument could be made that he's not in the top five. I mean, the guy basically opened _all_ of professional sports to black athletes.

Now, he's one of the five most important, but I don't think he's in the top 100 _best_ athletes in American history. Hell, I don't think he'd be in the top five baseball players if he was playing now.

When I say that RW was so important to the Packers, I mean that he was important, not that he had great stats, but that his presence was immensely important to the franchise itself in a way that no other acquisition, including getting Favre from Atl.-- and having grown up in Metro-Atl. with a Mom who always had Season Tickets to the Falcons I can tell you we all threw a party when they got rid of that lunk :rolleyes: :rolleyes:--, was.

<The Falcons have always had such _keen_ administrative people. :rotfl: :rotfl: >

BTW, yours and fanofsteel's picks are very well reasoned. I chose my SB at the beginning of playoffs and I'll stick with it til they're both gone, but it would be no huge shock if that was this weekend.

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
Okay, have it your way. I'm wrong. And so is Ron Wolfe, who built the team and said Reggie White was the single most important factor in their getting to the SB, and so is Mike Holmgren, the team's coach who has said the same thing.

Like I said: I'm not talking about any kind of organized award given by media personnel. It's simply my contention that the signing of Reggie White opened Green Bay to players it previously had no chance at getting, and changed the dynamic of the team in such a way that it got them to the SB, rather than getting knocked in the first round by Dallas as was the case before RW went there.

And I wasn't _wrong_. I said that was my opinion and it is.

Hope I wasn't coming off as a dickis I understand what you are saying and agree that Reggie is a great player but they had good players at that point Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Dorsey Levins, Chmura, Eugene Robinson, and that other safety aghhhh I don't remember his name, Sterling Sharpe etc etc. I don't think he opened up doors perse but he solidified the front four and helped them immensely but I think the Pack still wins the SB that year with or without Reggie. Brett Favre is this generations Bart Starr to cheeseheads.

To change the topic really quick Big Ben might surprise some people. The Jets made him look bad the first time they played and the last time and they got REALLY LUCKY last week but he now has a playoff victory under his belt and going up against a team he should have some confidence against since they beat the pats soundly the first time they played and the weather conditions shouldn't be that much of a factor because Pitt is pretty cold so that should balance out, I hope The Steelers beat the Pats I can't stand them-Brady did great in his rookie year in the playoffs and is still undefeated in the playoffs so it isn't set in stone that Ben will choke.

Also Kal-l you mentioned them getting knocked out in the first round by Dallas you must not remember when Dallas beat them the year before they won the SB because Reggie was on that team. I remember tripping out because Reggie is so quiet and respectful and a preacher but he was throwing his helment and cussing, and he was pissed that fox was filming him on the sideline. So Reggie helped win but Dallas whooped them good when Reggie did play for them so that Dallas crack doesn't hold all that much water.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by truemeathead
Hope I wasn't coming off as a dickis I understand what you are saying and agree that Reggie is a great player but they had good players at that point Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Dorsey Levins, Chmura, Eugene Robinson, and that other safety aghhhh I don't remember his name, Sterling Sharpe etc etc. I don't think he opened up doors perse but he solidified the front four and helped them immensely but I think the Pack still wins the SB that year with or without Reggie. Brett Favre is this generations Bart Starr to cheeseheads.

To change the topic really quick Big Ben might surprise some people. The Jets made him look bad the first time they played and the last time and they got REALLY LUCKY last week but he now has a playoff victory under his belt and going up against a team he should have some confidence against since they beat the pats soundly the first time they played and the weather conditions shouldn't be that much of a factor because Pitt is pretty cold so that should balance out, I hope The Steelers beat the Pats I can't stand them-Brady did great in his rookie year in the playoffs and is still undefeated in the playoffs so it isn't set in stone that Ben will choke.

Also Kal-l you mentioned them getting knocked out in the first round by Dallas you must not remember when Dallas beat them the year before they won the SB because Reggie was on that team. I remember tripping out because Reggie is so quiet and respectful and a preacher but he was throwing his helment and cussing, and he was pissed that fox was filming him on the sideline. So Reggie helped win but Dallas whooped them good when Reggie did play for them so that Dallas crack doesn't hold all that much water.

All I can say at this point is that you obviously didn't read that last post. I'm finished trying to explain what I meant.

[Zungas]

What's better than Playoff Football in the Snow?

[M.D.]

A playoff game in the mud and rain. Snow is second to that.

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by Zungas
What's better than Playoff Football in the Snow? Watching all the Eagles fans cry as Atlanta gives them 4 straight NFC losses.

[Zungas]

Auburn National Champs:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Unbreakable Lex]

Philly NFC Champs :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Yuui]

I would very much like the Eagles to soar over the Pats in Jacksonville.

Ruthlessberger is playing too much like a rookie.

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by Zungas
Auburn National Champs:rotfl: :rotfl: And who do you like? Pittsburg? A pathetic 8-4 team from the pathetic Big East? Grow up.

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
All I can say at this point is that you obviously didn't read that last post. I'm finished trying to explain what I meant.


Sounds like someone got schooled, no comment on Dallas spanking the Pack with Reggie on the team huh.

[TATEone]

Alright first my team the Vikings went down to the Eagles (very badly too) :(
Next I said the Falcons would win, but that didn't work :(
Now I will say....Go Patriots!!!
~hopefully this third time is a charm.
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/3347630_7_1.jpg

[TVHOG]

The patriots will demolish the eagles. Pats 35 - Eagles 20. I wanted Pittsburg vs Atlanta. Oh well.

[Zungas]

Originally posted by Sharkie
Watching all the Eagles fans cry as Atlanta gives them 4 straight NFC losses.

:rotfl: We're crying all the way to Jacksonville.


Originally posted by Sharkie
And who do you like? Pittsburg? A pathetic 8-4 team from the pathetic Big East? Grow up.
What are you talking about? I'm just a part of the 99.9% of people who know USC is the lone national champion.

[TVHOG]

Auburn would have given USC a serious run for their money.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by truemeathead
Sounds like someone got schooled, no comment on Dallas spanking the Pack with Reggie on the team huh.

No. Actually I was avoiding making the comment that you evidently are not bright enough to understand the point I was making, whether you agree with it or not.

And you _still_ evidently are not bright enough to understand it. But I'm not arguing with you anymore.


Originally posted by TVHOG
The patriots will demolish the eagles. Pats 35 - Eagles 20. I wanted Pittsburg vs Atlanta. Oh well.

So did I! :lol:

I'm now 5-4-1 through the playoffs-- thanks to my _stellar_ 0-2 yesterday. :rotfl:

At least the Eagles-Falcons was close for more than a half, but then Philly pulled away, which is the mark of a superior team. I knew the Eagles were the better team, but I had to see it.

NE is the best team in the NFL. That wasn't a fluke yesterday, folks. They exerted their will on another strong team on that team's home turf. They're just the best there is right now.

Which is why I'm picking the Eagles :p -- just kidding! I'm not much on picking scores, but I do believe NE wins this one pretty easily.

Congratulations, Pats fans and Eagles fans!

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
No. Actually I was avoiding making the comment that you evidently are not bright enough to understand the point I was making, whether you agree with it or not.

And you _still_ evidently are not bright enough to understand it. But I'm not arguing with you anymore.

Sorry dude I couldn't resist messing with you-lighten up bro

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by Zungas
What are you talking about? I'm just a part of the 99.9% of people who know USC is the lone national champion. First of all, Auburn won a national fan poll by 65% of the votes compared to 11% for USC. So obviously I'm not alone, and if I was, I don't care. The poll system is so messed up the AP wants out and the coaches won't tell us who they voted for, it can't be trusted anymore.

Auburn played a tougher schedule and won more impressivly. You can not tell me USC would have gone undefeated in the SEC. They had too many problems with teams like Oregon State and Stanford to effectivly shut down Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn.

USC was not that good in the Orange Bowl, Oklahoma was that bad. USC's 38 points off of turn overs were created by Oklahoma's offensive stupidity. Take away all those stupid mistakes by Oklahoma, and the score would be 17-19 Oklahoma wins.

Would USC beat Auburn? Maybe. I have no idea, and you have no idea. No one knows. And that is why there are two National Champions.

Anyway, Philly did good and deserved to win.

[Zungas]

I respect your opinion but your argument is incorrect. The system is flawed but USC was clearly the best team in the nation. I don't need a poll or a what if? scenario to come to that conclusion. How many TDs does Leinart have to throw to get your attention. Auburn didn't exactly dominate VTech. Auburn had an outstanding season but was hurt by their non-conference schedule. USC shared it last year and retains sole possession this year.

[TVHOG]

USC is good and no question about it, they had the game plan to beat Oklahoma, but Sharkie is right. USC may have beaten Auburn if they had played, but it should have between those two teams. I watched Auburn play several times this year and believe me they would have given USC a game.

[truemeathead]

USC sucks donkeys toes:D

On a serious note they should have played eachother but the bcs is a sham and it has been since day 1. College needs a playoff system like div 2a

[Kal-L, The Original]

The non-conference argument really falls flat here. Auburn had a tougher strength of schedule than USC, period. Are they to be penalized for playing in a stronger football conference than USC?

I'm not saying that USC wasn't a great team-- their destruction of OU, while greatly aided by Oklahoma playing horrible football, speaks for itself-- just saying they should've proved it on the field against Auburn.

Back on topic: Anyone think TO _isn't_ going to play in the SB? I personally think he will but I don't know how effective he'll be or how far he'll be able to go.

And why does it seem that everyone is picking the Pats in a blowout? They didn't blow out the Rams or the Panthers the last two times and I think Philly is a stronger team all around than either of them.

[TVHOG]

I just dont see Philly breaking the defense of New England. They always throw something at the opposing offense that is unexpected. Philly may adjust in the second half, but it may be too late. Another reason is TO is out or will be limited and now appears Chad Lewis will also miss the game. McNabb will throw well, but the Eagle receivers are not fast enough or tall enough to win this game. Thats my opinion

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by TVHOG
I just dont see Philly breaking the defense of New England. They always throw something at the opposing offense that is unexpected. Philly may adjust in the second half, but it may be too late. Another reason is TO is out or will be limited and now appears Chad Lewis will also miss the game. McNabb will throw well, but the Eagle receivers are not fast enough or tall enough to win this game. Thats my opinion

Sorry I didn't say this earlier. I expect the Pats to win, mostly for the reason you start off with. I was just wondering why everyone expects a blowout when the Pats haven't done that yet and are now playing a more complete team than either of the other two times they were in the SB.

That, plus the fact that no one gave the Pistons any chance against the Lakers, either.

[fanofsteel]

Respectfully, weren't you watching, Kal-L?
The Pats defense blew out the Colts, the Pats offense blew out the Steelers. The Colts vaunted offense only generated a field goal and the Steelers were never in the game. The final score misleading as Pittsburgh's final touchdown was a gimme.
And not to beat a dead horse but is anybody ready to concede that Tom Brady is rapidly joining the ranks of the greatest?:D

[Triple Lex]

I think it was Atlanta and Philadelphia, but did anybody else see that idiot fan run on the field and get speared by the security guard right before Atlanta punted? :rotfl:

That was great. :D

[fanofsteel]

Atlanta shoulda signed the security guard on the spot and slapped pads on him.:D

[TVHOG]

LOL! Funny Fanosteel. Anyway I think Philly may just be happy to be in the Superbowl. The Pats have been here before and will know how to handle all the hype. I dont necessarily think it will be a blowout. It wont be 49-3 or anything. I just dont think the Eagles will get within striking distance.

[Zungas]

Originally posted by Triple Lex
I think it was Atlanta and Philadelphia, but did anybody else see that idiot fan run on the field and get speared by the security guard right before Atlanta punted? :rotfl:

That was great. :D

That moron got nailed:lol:

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by fanofsteel
Respectfully, weren't you watching, Kal-L?
The Pats defense blew out the Colts, the Pats offense blew out the Steelers. The Colts vaunted offense only generated a field goal and the Steelers were never in the game. The final score misleading as Pittsburgh's final touchdown was a gimme.
And not to beat a dead horse but is anybody ready to concede that Tom Brady is rapidly joining the ranks of the greatest?:D

Yeah, I watched the Patriots in the SB twice now. They won by three points and they won by three points.

The Pats defense blew out the Colts because it was snowing and cold and Peyton Manning evidently lost the keys to Edgerrin James on the way to the stadium that day :lol: . I'm not saying the Colts would have won if they had run the ball more, but they had a better chance that way in that weather than doing what they did-- it was only 6-3 at the half. I still think the Pats would have won because they were a better team.

In the Steeler game I saw a rookie quarterback with a dead arm-- he'd never played more than 13 games in a season in his life-- and I don't say that as a slap at the Pats defense, but take away the three interceptions Roethlisberger threw and that score is a lot closer. The Pats still might've won the game, but it wouldn't have been by 14 points. On the last Patriot TD, a Steeler had his hand on the ball-carrier as soon as he touched the ball but couldn't quite get enough of him to bring him down-- he gets a full hand-hold on him wouldn't have been 14 point spread.

Again, not trying to take anything away from the Patriots. They are a great team who I fully expect to beat the Eagles. But I was told last year they were going to blow out the Panthers, too.

As for Brady-- I have thought about it since we talked. I said then I thought he was an excellent QB and I still do.

[truemeathead]

It looks like the defense wins championships talk again. You guys know how I feel I've listed the last five SB results and some playoff losses were good defenses shut down the opponents it's happened this year and will hopefully stay that way.

On a happier note did anyone hear about TO he wants to play and dr says he shouldn't but he probably will and he might tear or break something even worse this time-GOOD:D:D:D:D

Oh yeah that dude who got speared was great me and my cunow (sp) (brother in law in spanish pronounced koon yow) were playing darts and we just barely caught that they were like why won't they show it I told them they don't give those guys airtime anymore which sucks

[Mr Boejangles]

i see it as pretty even the pats are very good yes... BUT so are the eagles, they have not played each other since the eagles added all these new guys this year, the eagles defense is much better than before and so is their offense.

i say this game will be a draw. and both teams will have to share the trophy and the rings.

[M.D.]

HA! That would be the worst Superbowl ever... a 6 hour triple overtime spectacular..

[Kal-L, The Original]

Coolest part of these arguments is that it's the NFL and in a week and a half we'll actually know what happened, unlike Div 1A college football. ;)

[TVHOG]

Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! Good one Kal-L.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Its a shame they can't work something out so that half the D1 can't go to a bowl game.

:rolleyes:

If USC played in three games this year due to a playoff, the Pac-10 would still make a ton of money.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Its a shame they can't work something out so that half the D1 can't go to a bowl game.

:rolleyes:

If USC played in three games this year due to a playoff, the Pac-10 would still make a ton of money.

:lol: It is awful, isn't it, how strict they've gotten about bowl games.

What I don't understand about the playoff is that the schools would make more money, the majority of the fans, coaches, players and media are for it, the players won't be missing any school-- certainly not as much as the basketball players do during the regular season and March Madness--, so what's the problem?

[Sharkie]

Because University presidents have more sticks up their asses than Alabama has injuries this year.

[Kal-L, The Original]

So, it's been a week. Does anyone think TO will play? And, if he does, how effective do you think he'll be?

[Zungas]

I see him only playing about 10-15 plays. It's going to be cool seeing a Willis Reed moment.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by Zungas
I see him only playing about 10-15 plays. It's going to be cool seeing a Willis Reed moment.

So you think he'll have an impact on the game?

BTW, what do you think Freddie Mitchell has for Rodney Harrison? :rotfl: 'Cause I'm pretty sure I already know what Harrison has for Mitchell.

[Zungas]

Freddie believes Freddie is God's gift to the world. The more I hear TO is going full speed and expected to play a large amount of time.

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by Zungas
Freddie believes Freddie is God's gift to the world. The more I hear TO is going full speed and expected to play a large amount of time.

Oh-- so maybe that's why FM's talking smack-- he figures he won't have to play much. :p

I heard someone on the radio last night compare Harrison with Jack Tatum. I don't know if that's accurate, because I think Harrison is a better athlete than Tatum was, but there is definitely a similarity in their hitting.

[truemeathead]

I used to love Freddie Mitchell when he played for UCLA I was at the game against USC when he broke Danny Farmer's all time receiving record that was pretty sick but they still lost-bas****s.

I hope TO doesn't listen to his doc's and comes back and blows out his ankle I'll laugh so damn hard I hate that punk but damn is he good.

[TVHOG]

I doubt he will be very effective. If he can catch 1 or 2 passes, he might be a good decoy, though. By the way, if you think TO is tough for playing injured, go to SI.com and read the story of Jack Youngblood in the Monday Morning QB section. Now thats a tough son of a gun!

[truemeathead]

I don't need to read it, that dude was hardcore. Most of the old school players were way tougher than the guys today although the guys today are more athletic. I was reading a interview with some oldschool player I don't remember who he was but he said "I don't see what the fuss is about these two way players it's nothing new I used to be the starting center and the starting nose tackle for the whole game" now that is a tough sob.

[TVHOG]

Amazing. Wish I could have seen those guys play. I think today's players are probably better athletes over all, but those old guys are tough as nails.

And they made a whole lot less money!

[Kal-L, The Original]

Originally posted by TVHOG
Amazing. Wish I could have seen those guys play. I think today's players are probably better athletes over all, but those old guys are tough as nails.

And they made a whole lot less money!

Look at what Jerry Kramer did, too-- I think he was shot in the stomach in a hunting accident and came back to play, been awhile since I read it so I'm pretty fuzzy on the details. And Rocky Bleier, who was injured in Vietnam. And even Jim McMahon, who played with a lacerated kidney. And, then, of course, Ronny Lott, who had them amputate a finger (!) rather than give up the rest of a season.

Thing is, today's guys would do the same things as the oldtimers, they just don't have to. And they do make so much money that it doesn't make sense to risk their bodies unnecessarily.

[FlamedOzzy]

I believe the Pats are going to Win it all sorry Eagles fans lol.

[Zungas]

Ya Gotta Believe Philly

[FlamedOzzy]

LOL i can't its just this team is amazing when you watch them. But philly has a chance.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Atleast Freddie Mitchell is going to have a job after Harrison ends his career sunday.

:lol:

[smlvilleluva]

i hope that the game tomorrow is really really even and that the pats dont have an easy win. living here it is almost strange to say that i am not happy that they win so often and so easily... it is much more fun to watch a game that is neck-and-neck then one that has a team completely leading.

[wesley_wyndam_pryce]

Well since there is a hockey thread, I thought there should be a football thread. American Football that is.

Incase you haven't noticed i support the Steelers. Stupid Maddox.

[BeldarofRemulak]

I guess your from Pittsburgh..as well as I! soo of course I believe that the steelers are the best!! Although I do love Tommy Gun..he did make a lot of errors..bring back big BEN!!

*cough*Browns Stink*cough*

[Zungas]

E-A-G-L-E-S......EAGLES!!!!

[wesley_wyndam_pryce]

lol. actually I'm from Sewickley but close enough.
And yes, Ben needs to come back.


LOL, they do suck don't they.

[Sharkie]

Already threads for both the NFL and College Football.

[wesley_wyndam_pryce]

Really I searched the fourm and couldn't find any about the NFL. The only football related one I found was the College one.

[Steppenwolf]

My team went out before the season started:p , Two I'll be watching are Indy (of course), and Denver, surprisingly.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by wesley_wyndam_pryce
lol. actually I'm from Sewickley but close enough.
And yes, Ben needs to come back.


LOL, they do suck don't they.

I actually live on the border of Pittsburgh and kind of near you in Crafton...Birthplace of Bill Cowher!! The sad thing is he went to my high school and our football team has been stinking for the last (around) 10 years!! You would think if we could produce a NFL coach we would have a good team!!

[wesley_wyndam_pryce]

LOL. It would make sense for it to be that way. But most highschool teams suck. Well, especially mine. I'm QV.

That is really odd that your team should do better, after all Cowher came from there.

[LoisNClark]

wow some steelers fans...i'm also a Steelers Fan...and i hate Maddox...and am anxiously awaiting the return of BIG BEN!!!:D

[Sharkie]

My High School has been extremly well in recent years, but we only have one NFL guy so far.

[wesley_wyndam_pryce]

Originally posted by LoisNClark
wow some steelers fans...i'm also a Steelers Fan...and i hate Maddox...and am anxiously awaiting the return of BIG BEN!!!:D

Yeah. More Steelers fans. coolness.

[Slade]

My favorite team has always been and will always be the 49ers.

Right now theyre one of the worst teams in the NFL but hey it happens to the best of em and the 9ers are THE best :D

[trolly4va]

man united r my fav team

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by trolly4va
man united r my fav team Wrong sport dude.

[wesley_wyndam_pryce]

I loved that game. The Pitt/ Cinci game that is. What did anyone else think of it?

[BeldarofRemulak]

Steelers rocked!! I am glad the played Bettis moreand I am also glad Big Ben was back!!

[SWJaggy]

The Seattle Seahawks vs. Dallas Cowboys game rocked!!! I was so thrilled that Seattle beat the Cowboys. The game was great all the way to the end and then that pass that the Dallas QB threw, right into the Seahawks hands! 13-10 the game was the way it should be!

[BeldarofRemulak]

For some reason I always disliked the cowboys (could be they beat us (steelers) in the superbowl the last time we went) so I am glad the Seahawks won too!

Plus it would be cool if some different teams started winning a lot like the seahawks! It makes it more exciting to see some underdod win-age

[Tempest]

Let's talk all NFL here. The '05-'06 season may be over but the '06-'07 season will be here in no time. Will the Steelers become the next dominating Patriots? Jerome Bettis is gone but he left on a good note. Any young players for your team going to be stepping up now? Can the Seahawks get another chance for a title? Ask and answer NFL questions here.

[Matteo]

I like NFL.
My favourite team are New England Patriots and Dallas Cowboys.
I think Pats. are gonna win next Superbowl ;)

[Tempest]

i like the eagles

[Rafael122]

Skins fan here. 2006 NFC East Champions.

[Krypto-king]

colts fan my self. any one actualy play american* football, and if so what position, im a defencive tackel my self.

*Yes im english and yes we do have it over here.

[Tempus]

our schools not big enough to have football

[Zungas]

another depressed eagles fan.

[Krypto-king]

Originally posted by Tempus
our schools not big enough to have football

nah mine wasnt i had to go to a club, but it was well worth it.

[RJK62284]

GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!

[Tempus]

Eagles 06' Baby!!!!!

[Slade]

Played football since I was 7 all they way til I graduated high school. Texas football, oh yaaaa. :D

Anyways my favorite team is the 9ers.

[Krypto-king]

Originally posted by Slade
Played football since I was 7 all they way til I graduated high school. Texas football, oh yaaaa. :D

Anyways my favorite team is the 9ers.

ah cool, what position did u play?

[Platinum9703]

Michael Vick and his ATL Falcons for 06'!!

Personally, I think Steelers is a one time thing only and that Manning got robbed.

[BeepBeep]

I don't see how Manning got robbed. He was painfully mediocre versus Pittsburgh and made bad decisions on the final drive, settling for a long field goal instead of trying to get it closer. They were extremely fortunate to even have a shot at tying the game, as Bettis is one of the most consistent ballcarriers in league history. He fell apart against a 3-4 defense again and again showed why he is not a leader: when the going is tough, he slumps his shoulders, shakes his head and throws his hands up in the air.

To be honest, I don't think that the Falcons will never win a championship with Vick at the helm. He is the most overrated offensive player in the league and his inability to pass even decently means that he is complete garbage against fast and disciplined defenses like the ones he faces in the playoffs (Carolina, Tampa, Washington, Philadelphia, etc) because they limit his rushing ability and turn him into a terrible QB. Throw in potentially losing Dunn and a tough division and I don't see the Falcons making the playoffs.

I'm an Eagles fan, but both sides of the ball have major question marks. Offensively, McNabb needs to be fully healthy, but also they need to find somebody to replace T.O., possibly replace Runyan at RT and get a complement to Westbrook/Moats. Defensively, they just played poorly all season despite not having that many injuries. They need an upgrade at OLB and need to decide on who to play on the DL alongside Kearse and Patterson. They need a much better pass rush than last year.

[Krypto-king]

im a big colts fan but id be the first to admit he wasnet robbed he robbed us lol. he just seam to act so teribly under the pressure makes stupid mistakes where he usealy keeps a cool head about him, i was some what slighly disapointed i must say but it was a biliant game as well.

[Kalel33076]

Prediction for Superbowl XLI: New York Giants vs. Indianapolis Colts
Can you say Manning v Manning Superbowl?

[BeldarofRemulak]

Since I am from Pittsburgh, I say Steelers all the way...Bettis is leaving, but he wasn't the starter anymore (he was a "finisher")and Staley will be back and we still have Parker. Plus we have Hines Ward. My wish....Steelers VS Eagles..One State..One Crazy Game.

If the Steelers didn't make it....My hope would be for the eagles and the Jets to do well.

[Platinum9703]

As much as I like the Eagles, I don't think Donavon will ever be the same again. From now on, it will be a downward spiral for his career. So I can't see the Eagles getting back into the title picture anytime soon.

[Kalel33076]

Once again Manning vs Manning. Now the CBA signed the cap will increase allowing the giants to build up their defense and maybe sign another WR. Peyton and the colts are a winning machine, if they resign Edge they should be unstoppable

[BeldarofRemulak]

I think Peyton's a great QB, but the colts seem to fold under pressure. I can see The Bengals doing well next season if they stick with their formula (getting good pcks to eventually compiling a good team)

[sstray72]

Edge has gone to the Cardinals and the Colts offense is severely hurt. Being a Giants fan, I would love to see a Manning vs. Manning Superbowl, so hopefully the Gmen can get better and the Colts can stay good. I heard that LaVar Arrington was interested in signing with Big Blue! I am crossing my fingers for that one!!

[BeldarofRemulak]

Anyone's team pick up or lose anyone major?

[newfan]

How about those New England Patriots!! 8-0!! Any other Patriots or Tom Brady fans out there?? The man is on fire!! I dont know much about football, but I do watch it for this right here...


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb291/ali_paris/tombrady31.jpg

I hope he goes undefeated and beats the 1972 Miami Dolphins record!! That will be a glorius day in my house!

[newfan]

I took the day off work on Sunday just to stay home and watch the Patriots vs Colts game :rotfl: I hope they win!!

[jazel]

didn't see a College football thread, was nervous about starting one.
I'm from NE Ohio, Ohio State and LSU are playing the BCS Championship Game in New Orleans tonight. My only hope, is we learned something from the Gator fiasco last year, and no matter what happens we can be proud of the scarlett and gray.:)
Gooooooooo Bucks !!!

[newfan]

I only just started watching college football this year..my husband and brother are both huge Michigan Wolverines fans..and since thats where Mr Brady went to..I started watching the games with them. But I do love me the NFL now that I can follow a game..I took the time to learn it at the beginning of this season...the past few years my husband was tired of me just watching it for Tom Brady..said if your gonna oogle over him..at least learn the game..so I did! :rotfl: And I honestly LOVE Football! Could talk about it for hours! Cant wait till this weekend! Go Patriots!

Jazel..was it you that I had that conversation with about Tom Brady once..you said you didnt like him or something...I vaguely remember that in culture and thought it was you maybe. I was thinking after that..oh lord that girl probably thinks I am insane :lol: If I said something crazy Im sorry..just ignore me :lol:

[jazel]

I only just started watching college football this year..my husband and brother are both huge Michigan Wolverines fans..and since thats where Mr Brady went to..I started watching the games with them. But I do love me the NFL now that I can follow a game..I took the time to learn it at the beginning of this season...the past few years my husband was tired of me just watching it for Tom Brady..said if your gonna oogle over him..at least learn the game..so I did! :rotfl: And I honestly LOVE Football! Could talk about it for hours! Cant wait till this weekend! Go Patriots!

Jazel..was it you that I had that conversation with about Tom Brady once..you said you didnt like him or something...I vaguely remember that in culture and thought it was you maybe. I was thinking after that..oh lord that girl probably thinks I am insane :lol: If I said something crazy Im sorry..just ignore me :lol:
U R definately crazy, BUT that's what makes you so awesome,.:) Saw your pics in the member mug thread. You look like one of my cousins.:)
LOL, I believe we did have a convo about Brady, think I had a problem w/ the his ex having his baby.:lol:
BUT as QB he's mind-blowing. Go Green Bay....Favre is humble, Brady is not.LOL
As A Buckeye.....going to Ann Arbor, and denying them this year was SWEET.lol;)

[newfan]

U R definately crazy, BUT that's what makes you so awesome,.:) Saw your pics in the member mug thread. You look like one of my cousins.:)
LOL, I believe we did have a convo about Brady, think I had a problem w/ the his ex having his baby.:lol:
BUT as QB he's mind-blowing. Go Green Bay....Favre is humble, Brady is not.LOL
As A Buckeye.....going to Ann Arbor, and denying them this year was SWEET.lol;)


Well I wont deny that Im crazy :rotfl: Thanks jazel..your pretty awesome yourself! :)

I thought it was you! :lol: I do remember that now..you said something about the baby thing thats right..and I defended him of course. And that he thought he was so great or something like that..which..he is :p But yes..he is a mindblowing qb..thats been proven this season! And your right..he isnt humble at all..kinda why I like him! :p

[jazel]

lol that's the ONLY reason I don't like him ;)

[newfan]

:lol: Gotcha!

So is Green Bay your fave team then? Or just out of the teams left thats who you hope wins?

[jazel]

we're down to the wire right ? NYG and San Diego will both lose......
see GB and the Pats going Super Bowl....want GB (Favre is a southern gentlemen from Louisiana ;)), BUT Pats will win....they've had an awesome run this year.:)
Am from Cleveland....Browns town baby, really have high hopes for OUR next season,:)

[newfan]

Ya I hope your right..I mean I think the Pats can beat out San Diego..but I dont wanna get my hopes up :rotfl: I know they have had an awesome year and all but I just hope they make it to the end..and win it all!! God I will be so excited if they do :rotfl:

Oh you have the hottie Braylon Edwards on your team right :lol: I like him!

[Snake_Corda]

*named his son after Braylon Edwards because his father is a Michigan Wolverine homer*

[jazel]

I'm loving ALL my Browns players :)

[Snake_Corda]

*is huge Cowboy fan*

[sweet_whispers]

I am supporting the family of my beloved Peyton! :rotfl:

NFC Champions!

SUPER BOWL BOUND!!!

Go Giants! :p :rotfl:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/sweet_whispers/theli_manning.jpg

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http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/sweet_whispers/the_manning.jpg

[jazel]

*is huge Cowboy fan*
sorry for your loss

not sorry Colts, Steelers, and Titans went down.lol
sorry sweet whispers, but the Colts should have showed up, and played the Titans in the season closer.:lol:
something about the coaches having a "deal" in place.:rolleyes:

[Snake_Corda]

Thank you...I am frustrated that we have your first round pick, and you effing kept winning this year :lol:

[jazel]

It was a wild season.LOL

[newfan]

I am supporting the family of my beloved Peyton! :rotfl:

NFC Champions!

SUPER BOWL BOUND!!!

Go Giants! :p :rotfl:

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Can't go anywhere without running into a Manning around here :p

Well Tia..you should be saying..
I support my friend Ali in her pursuit to see Tom Brady! LMAO!
AFC CHAMPS!!
18-0!!!
SUPERBOWL BOUND!!

GO PATS!!!


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10 days till Superbowl!! Im so nervous! :rotfl:

[jazel]

Yeah, there's such a HUGE chance they might lose.lol:p

[meteor_phreak]

*is huge Cowboy fan*

i KNEW i hated you!

:mad: :mad:

*is from buffalo* :(

[newfan]

Yeah, there's such a HUGE chance they might lose.lol:p


Hey they could lose..you never know! :rotfl:

[jazel]

right.........think the deal they made with diablo, is still on the table.LOL

[meteor_phreak]

why make deals with themselves? :confused:

[jazel]

hahahaha....evil New Englanders.....don't even like the Sox's any more.

[TMLS]

Well, my American evening is complete. Went out to a New York-style restaurant this evening and now settling down for the showpiece. Who's everyone rooting for?

[sweet_whispers]

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From tonight's Superbowl XLII

[thmallville]

*weeps bitterly* I wanted the Patriots to win.

[smallvilleobsessor17]

Me too. :(

[jazel]

*weeps bitterly* I wanted the Patriots to win.

there, there....*patting your back, & lil hurricane's*
all will be well..........
there's always next year.:)
That's Cleveland's "catch" phrase........lol:p

[thmallville]

:lol: Thanks, Jazzy. :rotfl:

[jazel]

your welcome ! :D:D:D
forewarning-----> Browns are going ALL the way, next year......evil hahahaha....yeah I'm delusional too.LOL
TB #12 isn't going to Pro Bowl....YAY !!! Derek Anderson will be there. Think Tommy's licking his wounds, or maybe Gisele.LOL

[Smallville_Angel]

I have to say that being an Aussie, I completely lack interest in the Superbowl and Gridiron (so sue me, but I'll stick to suppoting my beloved NRL team, thanks:D). However, was rather dissapointed to hear that the Pats lost - you guys must be rubbing off on me... I had my fingers crossed for a Pats victory - perhaps if they'd had Peter Griffin playing for them they would have come out victorious!:lol:

[jazel]

NRL ? Rugby ? now that's a sport, I don't understand.
It looks like a game of keep-away, or hot potato.;)

[WickedJenn]

YAY BIG BLUE!

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[meteor]

Great to see the Giants take down the the Pats. Funny how in baseball the New York team is the evil empire, while in Football it's kind of become the Boston team. I know mostt football fans outside of New England today are rejoiicing in seeing Belichek taking his medecine.

[xrayvision]

Congrats to my G-Men for doing what I knew they had the potential to do. I gotta say things looked bleak at some points, but they played great and made the best out of the situation. Even though I'm not their fan, I have to give props to the Patriots for being one heck of an opponent. I would love to take off tomorrow and go to the parade but I'm too busy at work. Ah well.

Hopefully now the Mets (or if not them the Yanks) can win the World Series.

[Jaded Wolf]

Goes to show that in the end cheaters never win! I don't like either team but I was rooting for the Giants. The Patriots are sore losers and play football like high school varsity team with their better-than-thou attitudes and poor sportsmanship. Coach Belechick walking off the field before the last play could be played was distasteful. I'm glad the Giants won!

[Atomic girl]

I am sooooo glad the Giants won and those last 3 minutes were sooooooo good, had to go back and see them again today on tape.......

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I have a confession to make: almost ten years in the US, and I never watched the 'Super Bowl'.
Not a single time.
:p

[jazel]

I have a confession to make: almost ten years in the US, and I never watched the 'Super Bowl'.
Not a single time.
:p

not shocking, but I'm curious.....where were you before ?lol

Making fun of TB #12 this morning, and his Stetson campaign.....he's everywhere....Southwest, Middle America, Northeast....... except the end zone.lol

[meteor]

^^^ hehe...Brady is indeed a fantastic Quarterback and a true winner, but it sure was nice to see the top dogs get cut down to size by the puppies nobody gave a chance to win.

[WickedJenn]

Congrats to my G-Men for doing what I knew they had the potential to do. I gotta say things looked bleak at some points, but they played great and made the best out of the situation. Even though I'm not their fan, I have to give props to the Patriots for being one heck of an opponent. I would love to take off tomorrow and go to the parade but I'm too busy at work. Ah well.

Hopefully now the Mets (or if not them the Yanks) can win the World Series.

Did you happen to see the NY Post the day of the game? It was fabulous.

And as for the latter, LET'S GO YANKEES! :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

not shocking, but I'm curious.....where were you before ?lol

At home. Germany.
:)

[jazel]

At home. Germany.
:)

ahhhhhh.....lol......a German, no wonder I like you.;)
wantta play some futball/soccer ? :)

[newfan]

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Tia! :( I thought we were friends? How can you post such a sight?? *gags* hideous..just hideous! Looking at him makes me actually want to go and vomit!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

ahhhhhh.....lol......a German, no wonder I like you.;)
wantta play some futball/soccer ? :)

Fussball, yes.
:lol:

Here:
http://images.skysports.com/images/playerpics05_06/WorldCup2006/history/germany/matthaus_lothar1990.jpg
:D

[jazel]

At home. Germany.
:)

Germany ? No wonder, you're so liberal ! :lol:
WELCOME :D:D:D

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Fussball, yes.
:lol:

Here:
http://images.skysports.com/images/playerpics05_06/WorldCup2006/history/germany/matthaus_lothar1990.jpg
:D

sorry, the Latinos do it for me.....Rinaldo, Christiano...lol, whatever, they are ALL so young w/ much stamina.LOL ;)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Liberal? Yeah, well thanks......
:)
We haven't always been, unfortunately.

[jazel]

Tia! :( I thought we were friends? How can you post such a sight?? *gags* hideous..just hideous! Looking at him makes me actually want to go and vomit!

Are YOU okay, Ali ? :\

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Here, look at that:
It will make you feel better.....
;)
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[newfan]

Are YOU okay, Ali ? :\

No Im not at all. I knew I would take it hard but not this hard. This sucks, the trip sucked all of it sucked. But thanks for asking Jazz.

[meteor]

Here, look at that:
It will make you feel better.....
;)
http://www.goalvideoz.com/images/players/11933Cristiano_Ronaldo.jpg

You just made me spit up tomorrow's breakfast. Show him taking off his Man U jersey and you can have tomorrow's lunch on top of it.:eek:

seriously..I hate this guy:lol:..too bad he's so damn good.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Sorry!!!
:lol:
Well, my girlfriend loves him......I never particularly liked him.
I think there are better players.

[meteor]

Yeah I can see why he'd be a favorite of the lasses...personally I like Beckham in terms of players in that category. I like fussball but that whining, winging, diving stuff that Rinaldo is the posterboy for drives me bananas..hehe

nice picture of Lothar though...watching the Germans in the shootout is a thing of beauty. I on the other hand end up having to suffer through the horror show that is the English taking knockout stage penalties. it's enough to give children nightmares:lol:

[jazel]

No Im not at all. I knew I would take it hard but not this hard. This sucks, the trip sucked all of it sucked. But thanks for asking Jazz.

I'm TRUELLY sorry, Ali,:(
I really did NOT, see this happening.:(

Go away Stewie, you're 12 packs, are being much ogooled...lol...I MUST abstain from meat, on Fridays.:p

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Jasna, you know that Germany lost to Croatia in 1998, right???
:lol:

[newfan]

I'm TRUELLY sorry, Ali,:(
I really did NOT, see this happening.:(



Thanks Jazz :( I didnt either..well no I shouldnt say that, I did have the fear in my mind and thats what I kept saying to my husband..that they might lose and well they did. He was so sure they were gonna win too, but he is happy they lost which is really ticking me off more now.

[jazel]

Jasna, you know that Germany lost to Croatia in 1998, right???
:lol:

NO !!! we LOST to those DAMN French....Zidane, has 'issues".......we placed 2nd;)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

NO !!! we LOST to those DAMN French....Zidane, has 'issues".......we placed 2nd;)

* sigh *

Yeah, Zizou has issues, unfortunately.
But he's probably one of the best 3 players who ever lived, and maybe ever will have lived.
Maybe the best, but that's up to everyone to decide.....

Davor Zuker was pretty cool too.
:D

[jazel]

Thanks Jazz :( I didnt either..well no I shouldnt say that, I did have the fear in my mind and thats what I kept saying to my husband..that they might lose and well they did. He was so sure they were gonna win too, but he is happy they lost which is really ticking me off more now.

*hugs* I love ya sweetie !
LOL....your hubby, (sounds like mine) is 'typical', alpha male.;)
NO fear, babygirl.......ALWAYS, march forward.;)

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* sigh *

Yeah, Zizou has issues, unfortunately.
But he's probably one of the best 3 players who ever lived, and maybe ever will have lived.
Maybe the best, but that's up to everyone to decide.....

Davor Zuker was pretty cool too.
:D

:lol: well, well......FINALLY, somebody who KNOWS, his World Cup.:p
you are familiar w/, Davor ? :lol:
I gave birth to my youngest, on the day Croatia (a nobody), gave IT UP to France. Just imagine how "festive" my visits were.:lol:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

:lol: well, well......FINALLY, somebody who KNOWS, his World Cup.:p
you are familiar w/, Davor ? :lol:
I gave birth to my youngest, on the day Croatia (a nobody), gave IT UP to France. Just imagine how "festive" my visits were.:lol:
Did you name him Davor, at least???
:)

[newfan]

*hugs* I love ya sweetie !
LOL....your hubby, (sounds like mine) is 'typical', alpha male.;)
NO fear, babygirl.......ALWAYS, march forward.;)



*hugs* love ya too Jazz!
god I havent been called Baby girl on here in ages!!! :p
I know, I know, Im marching on...I wont lie though, Im still upset about it :rotfl:

[newfan]

Is it just me..or is anyone else around here really going through football withdrawl? I dont think Im going to make it to September..I really dont! :rotfl:

[newfan]

Anybody else watching the free agency preview? rumour has it Asante Samuel is going to Philadelphia. All Im concerned with is Randy Moss and him staying in New England.
football talk is keeping me sane at the moment.

[jazel]

Is it just me..or is anyone else around here really going through football withdrawl? I dont think Im going to make it to September..I really dont! :rotfl:

August.....preseason starts, in August.;)
Derek Anderson becomes a free agent at midnight....looks like Brady Quinn is gonna finally play with the big boys.;)

To answer Stewie's question, we named him Michael Sebastin, born on 7/8/98......miss you Stew.:(
As a floating Rose said in the Titanic, "come back.....come back !"

[newfan]

Yes true..August 3rd preseason..thats one good thing!!!!
Well Asante Samuel is no longer a Patriot :( Went to Philadelphia.
They had like 7 players as free agents...Moss, Samuel,Stallworth,Seau,Bruschi,Gaffney and Gay. I really didnt want to see Samuel go thats for sure.

[jazel]

Yes true..August 3rd preseason..thats one good thing!!!!
Well Asante Samuel is no longer a Patriot :( Went to Philadelphia.
They had like 7 players as free agents...Moss, Samuel,Stallworth,Seau,Bruschi,Gaffney and Gay. I really didnt want to see Samuel go thats for sure.

:lol:
Ali, KNOWS her draft...I don't care, UNLESS you send millions my way.:lol::cool:

[newfan]

I try to tell people that I actually do follow football, and not just Tom Brady..I mean obviously my MAIN reason is Tom Brady..BUT I do love the NFL and Im serious when I say the NFL network is on all the time in my house. :lol: I know whats going on with my team and major football news. Its honestly the only thing keeping me sane at the moment jazel lol.

Hey I thought of you yesterday..the Pats play in Cleveland this season, Chris said he would take me there since its not that far from us but him and my brother both said..."we wont be sitting in the same section as you Ali if we take you there", they said I wont surivive there in my Brady gear! lol


Well as of midnight the Pats had NO deal with Moss..oh no he's open to the highest bidder..not good at all :(

[newfan]

Well still no news on Randy Moss, which is really bothering me. *is worried* Anybody out there heard any other rumours about where he may go if not back to the Pats?

Teddy Brushchi resigned with the Pats yesterday apparently and
Donte Stallworth is visiting the Browns today and Randall Gay is visiting the Saints. Not that Im sure anyone cares unless there is other Pats fans on here..I think Im the only one besides my friend Tracy :lol:
But I like football talk so..Ill talk to myself if need be about it :rotfl: I feel like the reprensentative/reporter for the New England Patriots here LOL!
Im suprised there isnt more men in here honestly!

[newfan]

Ughh still no news on Randy Moss...rumour has it he is interested in going to Green Bay to play with Favre :mad:

And Dante Stallworth is a Cleveland Brown now. They really need to keep Moss in New England.

[newfan]

FINALLY!!!! Randy Moss signed a 3 year contract with the Patriots for $27 million dollars and $12 million in signing bonuses!!! The dynamic duo Tom and Randy..will play together again for the next 3 years!!! Can not wait!!! :D Best news Ive heard in awhile!!



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There's my boys!