End of the Road for us Clana fans..

[smallville_fetish]

"I've always loved you, and I always will, no matter what happens."

The only thing I caught from that line was I thought he said something else afterwards.. something we didn't get to see, like him breaking up with her? But perhaps not...

I just found 3 Clana scenes in this episode that bugged me, or more like, made me depress. One was between Victor and Lana in the Talon, after Victor told her about his girlfriend, the music suddenly changed as that scene ended with Lana's face expression as if she was thinking of her own relationship: Clark keeping secrets from her, which she undoubtly probably is thinking.

The second scene, was when Victor and his girlfriend reunited, and it showed Clark and Lana on the OPPOSITE sides, looking at each other.. (Lana from Tomb: "I love you so much but I don't know how to talk to you anmore") is exactly what Clark and Lana are feeling and the exact point where their relationship is at right now. Them looking at each other across the room.. They still very much love each other but they don't know how to act upon their feelings anymore because so much has changed and drifted between them..

And lastly the last ending in the loft where Lana looks upset and is walking away from Clark.. that I'm guessing Lana expected more from Clark, because Clark just telling her how much he loves her without SHOWING her how much he loves her, says nothing about where they're at (relationship wise)

When Victor and his girlfriend were hugging and having their moment, while Lana was standing on the sidelines smiling at them, I kept screaming for Clark to go over there and put his arm around Lana.. but then agian, I forgot that their glory days really are over.

[TheKents]

The problem/fact is that we never can say that Clana is over, cuz somehow it always comes back..

[loislane123]

Exactly. AlMiles have tried to pull the 'Clana is over' card so many times I've lost count...

[TackleDummy8]

yeah well, maybe they should just make them a couple and stop prancing around it. I want them to be together so bad, but i know in the end they won't be together. They should just put them together and end it like that. It'd make me one happier man. :(

[myankskent]

They'll break them up this season, but that doesn't mean that they will not get back together at the end of the series. I mean in Superman 3, Clark gave Lana an engagement ring at the end of it. You also don't know how superman returns will handle the Clark/Lana relationship. I understand that the first movie will not have Lana Lang in the movie, but there will be sequels which could certainly open the door for her character, just like Superman 3. We'll see what happens.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by myankskent
They'll break them up this season, but that doesn't mean that they will not get back together at the end of the series.


Please let this be the very end period. Let both Clark and Lana get on with life and find someone else for Pete sake. no more Clana rollarcoaster.

[TackleDummy8]

wait is Lana Lang in the original series?

[jaime,oburg]

Lana was Clark's highschool sweetheart in some versions of the comics.
And I agree Clana can never really be considered over in Almiles SV universe. They really beat that relationship to death. The way tptb wrote the Clana relationship bugged both Clana and non Clana fans alike. A pretty hard thing to do when you think about it..:o

[hotkk]

with how they did the 100th episode, wouldn't it be a great idea that Clark finally tells her his secret and say something like "I can't stay with you. My secret could put you in great danger, and I love you too much to let that happen..."

This way it would be
1) Very over
2) Very noble for clark
3) Well, very over!

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Lana was Clark's highschool sweetheart in some versions of the comics.
And I agree Clana can never really be considered over in Almiles SV universe. They really beat that relationship to death. The way tptb wrote the Clana relationship bugged both Clana and non Clana fans alike. A pretty hard thing to do when you think about it..:o


Well then how come above they say something about clark proposing to lana in superman 3? im confused.

[shy175223]

Well, IMO, I don't think he ever proposed to her, at least not offically in the movies. Otherwise she would have reappeared in the next sequel which she didn't.

[TackleDummy8]

well how come i hear rumors that lana and pete get married?

[shy175223]

in the comics yes, don't know if it will happen in this universe.

[Jellie]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
Well then how come above they say something about clark proposing to lana in superman 3? im confused.

Clark gave Lana a diamond ring (to replace the ring Lana had to pawn). He didnt propose to Lana though , he just replaced her ring :)

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

Thats so sweet of Clark to do that. Im all warm inside.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by shy175223
Please let this be the very end period. Let both Clark and Lana get on with life and find someone else for Pete sake. no more Clana rollarcoaster.

Haha, I can't agree more. Oh and I like your Pete pun, whether it was intentional or not.

[shy175223]

it was unintentional but thanks anyway. ha.

[TackleDummy8]

Why are you guys so against lana and clark being together? If he just told her his secret, they'd be fine and wouldn't have all these problems. Shes so willing to accept his secret, he's just shooting himself in the foot.

When she died in Reckoning, it wasn't the secret that killed her, it was the bus. Not to mention, it happened both ways, so had he told her again and stopped the bus, it wouldn't have made much of a difference except everything would have happened again but they'd be together. =/

[shy175223]

Sorry, but Almiles have had them together long enough with the secerts and lies issue for 4 years, that Clana has just about run it's coarse. If they had Clark tell Lana his secert a long time ago, I'm sure most of his would be cheering for Clana but the fact is they didn't . They made it the agnst of the Clana so long that it's just becoming a real drag for some of us.. soo sorry.

[TackleDummy8]

Well, its not that I'm gonna be pissed off if they don't stay together, but it would just make a whole lot of sense. After watching all the previous seasons for like a third time in a row, she really wants to know his secret and she really wants to trust him, but he just won't tell her.

[shy175223]

I know. When Reckoning first aired, I thought this was it. He was finally going to tell her. But alas they had pull a cop out like the time reversal. But with Almiles it's never that easy.

[TackleDummy8]

I think the main reason they do it, is because it would start to be the end of the series. Its what keeps us watching. Wether we like to admit it or not, if they put them together, it would be like tieing loose ends.

[myankskent]

I don't know what they are going to do. Clark and Lois are so far from being together right now that I don't even want to see that happen. They have a brother/sister relationship and any romance with those two in this series would be so forced, in my opinion. They've ruined their potential romance already, if you ask me. I think Chloe and Clark, as much as I hate that pairing, would be better than Clark and Lois. I just don't want to see things change so dramatically and so quickly in these relationships on the show. Clana took forever to build up, to all of a sudden have all of these whacky couples come to fruition, like Lexana and Chlark and Clois, it would be too much to take in. I really do believe that they need to end this show with Clark alone. If you're not going to move into the superman years with a Metropolis spinoff show, then Clois shouldn't be forced, it has no place in this time period of Clark's life.

[TackleDummy8]

if they do a spinoff, would TW play clark? I probaly wouldn't watch it if it wasn't him.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
if they do a spinoff, would TW play clark? I probaly wouldn't watch it if it wasn't him.

If he wouldn't agree to come back, then they wouldn't do the spinoff. The only way the spinoff would work is if all of the cast agrees to do it. However, in order for the cast to even consider it, the writers have to agree to write it which is why it probably won't happen. For this reason, the ending of smallville worries me because I fear that they will try to squeeze what could be 2 years of storylines into 12 or so episodes so that they can end Smallville and link it to the movies or comics.

[TackleDummy8]

I don't really understand what the point of a spinoff would be if it would all be the same cast. Its techincally the same group of people so its still smallville, just in a new location. I think it'd be cool to have TW and a few of the members of the cast, but to add many new ones and maybe do his college years and then some? Either way, this is a clana form and i'd want lana back in ;)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
I don't really understand what the point of a spinoff would be if it would all be the same cast. Its techincally the same group of people so its still smallville, just in a new location. I think it'd be cool to have TW and a few of the members of the cast, but to add many new ones and maybe do his college years and then some? Either way, this is a clana form and i'd want lana back in ;)

They're doing the college years right now. Lana would still be involved in the spinoff. There would of course be more characters added like Perry White and Jimmy. I don't think they are going to do this though.

[jaime,oburg]

Consider the new Superman movies the spinoff. And Aquaman is what Almiles is hoping we will want to see on TV.:lol:

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by myankskent
They're doing the college years right now. Lana would still be involved in the spinoff. There would of course be more characters added like Perry White and Jimmy. I don't think they are going to do this though.


Then I take it Clark doesn't go to college? Because so far I haven't picked anything up about him and a college situation.




Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Consider the new Superman movies the spinoff. And Aquaman is what Almiles is hoping we will want to see on TV.


I don't think I'd be able to get as interested in Aquaman as I am Smallville. For some reason, Smallville relates to my life so much that it's ridiculous. I just think that Aquaman is Almiles way of closing off smallville and moving on.

[GooN]

Clana fans were never gonna be happy. Cos they cant be together forever n ever according to the superman story.

And if Clark doesn't go to college, how in the hell he gonna get into the Daily Planet, Lois too for that matter....we've already seen how hard Chloe found it. A life-long reporter, i think she was born with a microphone in her hand.........

[TackleDummy8]

Surprisingly, I never really liked chloe for some reaons. But as i rewatch the season i'm slowly gaining a fondness for her. But i get angrier and angrier that lana and clark get so close only to fall apart. In season 3, he was so close to telling her his secret, but when pete decided to move to witchita, it all changed. I threw the remote at the TV in agony. They should be together, we all know that he ends up with lois, it doesn't mean they can't make the viewers happy. If they end the series with them together, its not like it means thats the end of the world. They could easily break up in between. They're just to stupid to realize that.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
Surprisingly, I never really liked chloe for some reaons. But as i rewatch the season i'm slowly gaining a fondness for her. But i get angrier and angrier that lana and clark get so close only to fall apart. In season 3, he was so close to telling her his secret, but when pete decided to move to witchita, it all changed. I threw the remote at the TV in agony. They should be together, we all know that he ends up with lois, it doesn't mean they can't make the viewers happy. If they end the series with them together, its not like it means thats the end of the world. They could easily break up in between. They're just to stupid to realize that.

To respond to an earlier post, Clark is in college now. Remember that Brainiac posed as his professor. I think you mentioned that you don't recall there being any reference to college this season. Well there was. The thing that is annoying right now about Clana is that the writers have painted themselves in a corner with them. In my opinion, they should be together, how they're not is very unrealistic. If they decide to break them up forever, which they have to do according to the comics if they follow that path, it will take some pretty bad writing and some big inconsistencies to do it. That is the unfortunate thing about it.

[TackleDummy8]

Now that you mention it, I do recall him going to class, and not to mention I agree with you completely about the clark and lana situation. They should be together, Almiles just keep writing themselves into corners.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
Now that you mention it, I do recall him going to class, and not to mention I agree with you completely about the clark and lana situation. They should be together, Almiles just keep writing themselves into corners.

They should've ended their relationship a long time ago if that was going to be the end result. Their breakup clearly won't be handled properly. They will create some stupid plotline that breaks them up just so they can do it. It's like if you walk into a room and there is a 30 foot gap in the floor from the end you are on and the end you are trying to get too. Al/Miles are only worried about getting to the other end even if it is not possible to do. They could care less about realism. That's why we are watching Lexana right now.

[Watching Smallville]

All during this series, I've only had one question where Clana is concerned. Lois Lane is Clark Kent's soul mate and the love of his life. Not by default. Not because Clark couldn't get the woman he really wanted. So my question was, and still is, why isn't Lana Lang the love of Clark's life? I'd like them to answer that question. And they can't answer it if they keep the two of them apart.

They've done such a good job exploring the relationship between Lex and Clark. And it's never boring. Why can't they step up to the plate for Lana and Clark?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
All during this series, I've only had one question where Clana is concerned. Lois Lane is Clark Kent's soul mate and the love of his life. Not by default. Not because Clark couldn't get the woman he really wanted. So my question was, and still is, why isn't Lana Lang the love of Clark's life? I'd like them to answer that question. And they can't answer it if they keep the two of them apart.

They've done such a good job exploring the relationship between Lex and Clark. And it's never boring. Why can't they step up to the plate for Lana and Clark?

Well that's my main point right there. Lana is the love of Clark's life on this show, that is what they have made it. Whether it's true to the comics or not, on Smallville, that is the case. They waited too long on their relationship to make a breakup a possibility, a realistic possibility, and also to allow a Lois/Clark pairing a possibility as well. I mean Clark and Lois act like brother and sister right now. Those are not the types of characteristics you have for a "love of your life" kind of connection. So the writers either have to bite the bullet and put Clark and Lana together, which is how they've built up this particular version of clark's life, or they can create some stupid storylines to dig themselves out of this hole, no matter how bad the show gets because of it.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by myankskent
To respond to an earlier post, Clark is in college now. Remember that Brainiac posed as his professor. I think you mentioned that you don't recall there being any reference to college this season. Well there was. The thing that is annoying right now about Clana is that the writers have painted themselves in a corner with them. In my opinion, they should be together, how they're not is very unrealistic. If they decide to break them up forever, which they have to do according to the comics if they follow that path, it will take some pretty bad writing and some big inconsistencies to do it. That is the unfortunate thing about it.

Clark isn't in collage anymore remember. He dropped out of at the beginning of Vengence to help out at the farm.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by shy175223
Clark isn't in collage anymore remember. He dropped out of at the beginning of Vengence to help out at the farm.

Didn't Martha convince him not to? Doesn't matter anyway, they can just show him in class one of these next few episodes, continuity isn't a necessity on smallville:lol:

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by myankskent
Didn't Martha convince him not to? Doesn't matter anyway, they can just show him in class one of these next few episodes, continuity isn't a necessity on smallville:lol:

Martha tried to protest his decison about quitting college and Clark just snapped back "it's over". Although I didn't like the way he was addressing his mother I was glad that it was the first real decison we see Clark making on his own after the death of his father.

[shy175223]

well, it depends. will he go back to Kansas collage or enter Met u. will find out at the end of march. Besides I think that after all thats happen he might stay take a break from collage for a while.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
I mean Clark and Lois act like brother and sister right now. Those are not the types of characteristics you have for a "love of your life" kind of connection. So the writers either have to bite the bullet and put Clark and Lana together, which is how they've built up this particular version of clark's life, or they can create some stupid storylines to dig themselves out of this hole, no matter how bad the show gets because of it.
I think some people's soul mates start out in more of a tame manner -- like Smallville Clark and Lois. So this doesn't bother me as much as the fact that they won't address the Lana issue. I don't think the storyline necessarily has to be stupid. Lana and Clark may have some geniune "irreconcilable" differences -- I just want TPTB to show us what they are. We'll never find out unless they're together.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I think some people's soul mates start out in more of a tame manner -- like Smallville Clark and Lois. So this doesn't bother me as much as the fact that they won't address the Lana issue. I don't think the storyline necessarily has to be stupid. Lana and Clark may have some geniune "irreconcilable" differences -- I just want TPTB to show us what they are. We'll never find out unless they're together.

They only have one difference, Lana wants the truth and Clark wants it to stay hidden. All of the "fights" that they have had throughout this series have all traced back to Clark's secret. If Clark tells her the secret, game over. Maybe if they spent the time going into their relationship they could flesh out the idea that they don't have a lot in common, but the show hasn't done that to this point and I think that it is too late to do that now.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by myankskent
They only have one difference, Lana wants the truth and Clark wants it to stay hidden. All of the "fights" that they have had throughout this series have all traced back to Clark's secret. If Clark tells her the secret, game over. Maybe if they spent the time going into their relationship they could flesh out the idea that they don't have a lot in common, but the show hasn't done that to this point and I think that it is too late to do that now.

Almiles did say at the beginnig that they wanted to have a triangle between Lex-Lana-and Clark. That was their goal when it came to the big three. But at the time Lana wasn't legal and they couldn' t go that route. But now that she is, they can now explore that triangle in these few episodes left. I agree that Clark and Lana would have been done already minus the lies and all that. But they have overexposed that relationship so many times its getting to be a real drag to see all lies over and over again. I think that's how they intended it to be really. Smart move on their part, right?:rolleyes:

[Miss L]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
All during this series, I've only had one question where Clana is concerned. Lois Lane is Clark Kent's soul mate and the love of his life. Not by default. Not because Clark couldn't get the woman he really wanted. So my question was, and still is, why isn't Lana Lang the love of Clark's life? I'd like them to answer that question. And they can't answer it if they keep the two of them apart.

I would like them to answer that question, also. I don't think Lana is the love of Clark's life, though, I think she is Clark's first love--which can be a pretty intense and angsty thing sometimes. Still, I'd like to see Clark coming to that conclusion--Lana may not be the one--for all of us to see and not have that happen off-screen after a loft scene.

He and Lois are reaching a level of comfort together which could possibly mirror his friendship with Chloe and then develop into something more. But they are not there yet. And IMO they aren't supposed to be there yet. I hope this series ends without them being there yet, but with the possibility plainly in the future.

They've done such a good job exploring the relationship between Lex and Clark. And it's never boring. Why can't they step up to the plate for Lana and Clark?

I so agree. I so totally agree. I love this show and I liberally forgive it its faults, but come on! Four seasons of wasted opportunity to add some real depth to Clana. The first 3 eps of the season showed the end result of something we didn't get to see, and that made it a little hollow. And I like Clana, I've been rooting for it. Oh well.

edited because my mind is already numbed for the workweek

[myankskent]

Originally posted by shy175223
Almiles did say at the beginnig that they wanted to have a triangle between Lex-Lana-and Clark. That was their goal when it came to the big three. But at the time Lana wasn't legal and they couldn' t go that route. But now that she is, they can now explore that triangle in these few episodes left. I agree that Clark and Lana would have been done already minus the lies and all that. But they have overexposed that relationship so many times its getting to be a real drag to see all lies over and over again. I think that's how they intended it to be really. Smart move on their part, right?:rolleyes:

I never knew that they wanted to have a love triangle with them. If you ask me, it couldn't have come at a worse time. All that it is doing is holding all of the characters back, especially Lex. The more I think about it, the more I realize that they are probably doing this lexana storyline so that Lex isn't isolated from everyone else in the show. TPTB are probably scared of making him hated by everyone because then everyone would stay away from him.

[amberdawn]

I dont care what some people say. For me, as a comics fan as well as a SV fan, Lana will never be the love of Clarks life, not on SV or any other series/movie. No matter how much AlMiles want to make it seem that way, they cant.

[xrayvision]

A smart way of breaking them up (which should have been done last season if you ask me) was to have Clark comparing his relationship with Chloe to that with Lana. He should have noticed how Chloe is supportive of his heroism while Lana is holding him back from being the type of hero he's supposed to be.

One problem that stood in the way of this happening was how they made Clark a reluctant hero. If he wasn't one, then they could have used the above plan to break up Clana. I thought the best time to have ended the reluctant hero part was after Lex was brainwashed by Lionel. Any person with powers like his would vow to protect those in situations where their lives are in danger after that incident. Actually, this was his reaction ("Lionel will not get away with it" or whatever he said). Lack of continuity killed that though.

It would have been nice to have done it like that where he ends up with Chloe. From there whether they wanted to have Chloe change her name to Lois Lane to protect herself or do something else, it would have been cool. But instead they treated this Clana thing like beating a horse's corpse that has been nuked & vaporized. Enough already.

[TackleDummy8]

Well like i said earlier, Clark has so many years from the end of SV to the beginning of the movies. Its not that hard to end a series with clark with her and then break them up in between.

[shy175223]

I don't think that's a good idea. I rather perfer that he just told her his secert and realize because of the lies things wouldn't be the same. But toward the end of the series they remain good friends as they should be.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
A smart way of breaking them up (which should have been done last season if you ask me) was to have Clark comparing his relationship with Chloe to that with Lana. He should have noticed how Chloe is supportive of his heroism while Lana is holding him back from being the type of hero he's supposed to be.

One problem that stood in the way of this happening was how they made Clark a reluctant hero. If he wasn't one, then they could have used the above plan to break up Clana. I thought the best time to have ended the reluctant hero part was after Lex was brainwashed by Lionel. Any person with powers like his would vow to protect those in situations where their lives are in danger after that incident. Actually, this was his reaction ("Lionel will not get away with it" or whatever he said). Lack of continuity killed that though.

It would have been nice to have done it like that where he ends up with Chloe. From there whether they wanted to have Chloe change her name to Lois Lane to protect herself or do something else, it would have been cool. But instead they treated this Clana thing like beating a horse's corpse that has been nuked & vaporized. Enough already.

Let me ask you something, how in the world is Lana supposed to be supportive of his heroism if she doesn't know the secret? Maybe she should just magically push Clark forward in life even though she doesn't know the truth. I can see it now...
Lana: Clark, I don't know what you are hiding from me but I have this strange feeling that you should become a hero and put on a red and blue suit with a cape.

Because that would be believable.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
Let me ask you something, how in the world is Lana supposed to be supportive of his heroism if she doesn't know the secret? Maybe she should just magically push Clark forward in life even though she doesn't know the truth. I can see it now...
Lana: Clark, I don't know what you are hiding from me but I have this strange feeling that you should become a hero and put on a red and blue suit with a cape.

Because that would be believable.

The reason why she is unsupportive is because of her actions. She is too much of a liability. So much, that he lost his powers because of her getting injured by the Kryptonians, which led to his death and resurrection, which according to Jor-El caused an imbalance that ultimately led to the death of Jonthan Kent. This all started because she was obsessed with those stones and decided to hide the one she used to later kill Genevieve with. Because of that, she was in that helicopter that crashed where the Kryptonian ship landed.

Now, I know she has no way of knowing that would happen, but just look at how many times she has been in danger. She is too much of a liability to be around. Someone with that big of a secret (Clark) would have to be crazy to hang around her. He has to save her butt so much that he can't go out and help other people who need it.

In both of those timelines presented in Reckoning, she was going to die because of her association with Lex. She should be smart enough after how much danger she has been in to not put herself in such situations. She has failed every time and continues hanging out with Lex after all that happened.

Now after considering all this, her actions are in no way supportive of him becoming Superman. Lex will always be on his tail, he will always have to keep an eye on her, and will never be assured that he can go around saving the world.

Even if she knew his secret, it wouldn't matter. Lex already likes her and will not let her go now. Plus, she would either still hang out with Lex, and if not would find some other way to endanger herself or him (Thirst for example--she got in all that trouble by lying herself and it had nothing to do with the secret). She saw the true Lex in Onyx as Clark did. Only thing is Clark was smart enough to stay away from him after that. Lex was so obsessive with kryptonite and all that alien stuff that he would up releasing his evil side which I believe took greater control of him when the 2 sides merged again. Lana has this same obsession. Maybe, just maybe if she would have just let things be, he would have told her.

[myankskent]

This is an outrageous post but I'll take your points one at a time.


Originally posted by xrayvision
The reason why she is unsupportive is because of her actions. She is too much of a liability. So much, that he lost his powers because of her getting injured by the Kryptonians, which led to his death and resurrection, which according to Jor-El caused an imbalance that ultimately led to the death of Jonthan Kent. This all started because she was obsessed with those stones and decided to hide the one she used to later kill Genevieve with. Because of that, she was in that helicopter that crashed where the Kryptonian ship landed.

Now, I know she has no way of knowing that would happen, but just look at how many times she has been in danger. She is too much of a liability to be around. Someone with that big of a secret (Clark) would have to be crazy to hang around her. He has to save her butt so much that he can't go out and help other people who need it.


This is wrong. Lana didn't cause Clark to lose his powers, Clark caused Clark to lose his powers. He knew he had to be back by sunset and instead, he chose to stay to bring Lana to the hospital. He also didn't even care about losing his powers which shows no maturity on Clark's part. And what ultimately caused him to be in this situation is Chloe being at the fortress. If Chloe didn't go into the back room of the cave then she would never have been in the fortress and Clark would never have had to abandon his training and thus, the death of his father wouldn't be an issue. Now of course Chloe wouldn't have known that she would be sent to the arctic but Lana wouldn't have known that her being attacked would cause Clark to lose his powers. So according to your above post, characters should be blamed even if they have no knowledge of what would happen if they take certain actions. Also, Lana nearly stopped the disciples with the kryptonite in the safe, so in a way, she nearly stopped them with the help of Lionel. If their powers were like Clark's, they wouldv'e collapsed to the ground rather than being strong enough to cover up the safe.



In both of those timelines presented in Reckoning, she was going to die because of her association with Lex. She should be smart enough after how much danger she has been in to not put herself in such situations. She has failed every time and continues hanging out with Lex after all that happened.

This is your best point right here, but considering that Clark is not being totally honest to her about his destiny and the threat that Lex presents to him, I can't fault Lana in taking this action. Plus, they were working on the spaceship with each other and Lex has been more honest to her than Clark has this season. This all goes back to the fact that Clark needs to step up and tell Lana the "whole" secret already, not just that he is an alien, but that he has this great destiny ahead of him and that Lex is getting very close to learning his secret. Why would Lana think that Lex is a threat to Clark, she doesn't know the truth about him.



Even if she knew his secret, it wouldn't matter. Lex already likes her and will not let her go now. Plus, she would either still hang out with Lex, and if not would find some other way to endanger herself or him (Thirst for example--she got in all that trouble by lying herself and it had nothing to do with the secret). She saw the true Lex in Onyx as Clark did. Only thing is Clark was smart enough to stay away from him after that. Lex was so obsessive with kryptonite and all that alien stuff that he would up releasing his evil side which I believe took greater control of him when the 2 sides merged again. Lana has this same obsession. Maybe, just maybe if she would have just let things be, he would have told her.

It certainly would matter if she knew the secret. She would stay away from Lex and realize that he is a threat to Clark's secret. That's what people don't seem to get, Lana doesn't know that Lex is a danger to Clark. You refer to Onyx above, well same thing. What Lex did to Lana is no different than what Clark did to Lana in Transference as Lionel, and no different than what Clark did to Lana in Red. However, what Lex did to Clark is a different story. Clark is smart to stay away from Lex because he realizes what would happen if Lex found out about him. He would shoot his father, wear a kryptonite ring around his finger, and force Clark to take over the world with him. I think Clark's confrontation with Lex in that episode was just a little bit worse than Lana's, don't you think?

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by xrayvision
The reason why she is unsupportive is because of her actions. She is too much of a liability.
Chloe would be a liablility as well, though. We've seen her put in harm's way when she was digging up dirt on Lionel and Summerholt in season 3. She could have easily been put on Adam's radar that season as well if she'd been caught snooping in his apartment. She ended up on the brink of death in the Fortress of Solitude because she tried to get Lana from Lex's mansion before leaving Smallville and she almost got killed by Gabriel in Hidden because she was trying to save the town.

Being an investigative reporter is going to put Chloe in harm's way on a regular basis. Clark would still have to worry about her on a regular basis.

EDIT: I forgot that Chloe actually did get hurt by Adam in Crisis. He still could have posed more of a threat to her, though, had she been caught snooping.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe would be a liablility as well, though. We've seen her put in harm's way when she was digging up dirt on Lionel and Summerholt in season 3. She could have easily been put on Adam's radar that season as well if she'd been caught snooping in his apartment. She ended up on the brink of death in the Fortress of Solitude because she tried to get Lana from Lex's mansion before leaving Smallville and she almost got killed by Gabriel in Hidden because she was trying to save the town.

Being an investigative reporter is going to put Chloe in harm's way on a regular basis. Clark would still have to worry about her on a regular basis.

Plus, let's face it, Chloe is getting tremendously lucky this season for a person who knows Clark's secret. She hasn't been put in danger at all this season, I don't count Tomb and hidden because those episodes had nothing to do with keeping Clark's secret. She has miraculously escaped Lex even though he knows she's hiding something, she escaped Brainiac at the fortress...Brainiac's vision must be really bad for him not to see her right there and use her as a hostage to get Clark to do what he wants. Point is, everyone is put in danger on this show so you can't use that as an example to show that a particular character causes all of the problems with the plot.

[Daphne]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
All during this series, I've only had one question where Clana is concerned. Lois Lane is Clark Kent's soul mate and the love of his life. Not by default. Not because Clark couldn't get the woman he really wanted. So my question was, and still is, why isn't Lana Lang the love of Clark's life? I'd like them to answer that question. And they can't answer it if they keep the two of them apart.

They've done such a good job exploring the relationship between Lex and Clark. And it's never boring. Why can't they step up to the plate for Lana and Clark?

I see what you are saying. At some point Clark will tell Lana and they will have decisions to make. But I am thinking that there relationship is like most high school relationships, as important as they seem at the time, usually they end up a fond memory later in life. Not all high school relationships are that way, but I would say the majority end up that way.

[TackleDummy8]

I can understand where you're coming from with that. But the look and sincerity in her eyes is pure proof that she really wants him to trust her. The biggest reason that he won't tell her is because he always thought pete was ok with it, but pete finally fessed up and said its the hardest thing in the world and he'd never be able to live with himself if he slipped. Hence the fact he moved.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
This is wrong. Lana didn't cause Clark to lose his powers, Clark caused Clark to lose his powers. He knew he had to be back by sunset and instead, he chose to stay to bring Lana to the hospital. He also didn't even care about losing his powers which shows no maturity on Clark's part. And what ultimately caused him to be in this situation is Chloe being at the fortress. If Chloe didn't go into the back room of the cave then she would never have been in the fortress and Clark would never have had to abandon his training and thus, the death of his father wouldn't be an issue. Now of course Chloe wouldn't have known that she would be sent to the arctic but Lana wouldn't have known that her being attacked would cause Clark to lose his powers. So according to your above post, characters should be blamed even if they have no knowledge of what would happen if they take certain actions. Also, Lana nearly stopped the disciples with the kryptonite in the safe, so in a way, she nearly stopped them with the help of Lionel. If their powers were like Clark's, they wouldv'e collapsed to the ground rather than being strong enough to cover up the safe.

I can understand what you're saying about not blaming characters. But Lana is just looking for it too much. She was the one who took the stone & used it to kill Genevieve. Yes she was possessed, but what the hell did she think would happen if she would hide that stone from everyone? She saw what people were willing to do for it in Sacred, and she still wanted to be part of the deadly game. If you climb in the gorilla's cage, you better be prepared for dealing with the gorillas. She wasn't and the entire town of Smallville had to pay. And had Chloe not been at the Luthor mansion, who knows what would have happened as Clark would have remained where he was for Lex/the Kryptonians to find. She was dragged by Lex to the caves, so she didn't even go there on purpose. She wouldn't have even been at the mansion had she not been concerned about Lana. Plus she stopped Lex and protected Clark's secret. I give her many points for that. But, I still blame Clark for being naive and too concerned for Lana to not return to the FOS in time. I don't think he knew that his powers would be gone, but he should have expected something. The main thing though is that a LOT happened that day, and it could have slipped his mind after what happened to his parents, Lana, and everything else.


Originally posted by myankskent
This is your best point right here, but considering that Clark is not being totally honest to her about his destiny and the threat that Lex presents to him, I can't fault Lana in taking this action. Plus, they were working on the spaceship with each other and Lex has been more honest to her than Clark has this season. This all goes back to the fact that Clark needs to step up and tell Lana the "whole" secret already, not just that he is an alien, but that he has this great destiny ahead of him and that Lex is getting very close to learning his secret. Why would Lana think that Lex is a threat to Clark, she doesn't know the truth about him.

Well, to this, all I can say is that birds of a feather flock together. Both Lana & Lex are very obsessive. Lex with the Porsche accident on the bridge (plus many more incidents), and Lana with the tornado (plus many more incidents). They both have the need to investigate and can't learn to accept good things as miracles and just live on with their lives. Lex should be like that since it helps him get where he will end up, but Lana shouldn't be. If she saw the damage the ship did, then by all means she should stay away from it. Clark should tell her just to show her all the damage she caused with that 2nd meteor shower.


Originally posted by myankskent
It certainly would matter if she knew the secret. She would stay away from Lex and realize that he is a threat to Clark's secret. That's what people don't seem to get, Lana doesn't know that Lex is a danger to Clark. You refer to Onyx above, well same thing. What Lex did to Lana is no different than what Clark did to Lana in Transference as Lionel, and no different than what Clark did to Lana in Red. However, what Lex did to Clark is a different story. Clark is smart to stay away from Lex because he realizes what would happen if Lex found out about him. He would shoot his father, wear a kryptonite ring around his finger, and force Clark to take over the world with him. I think Clark's confrontation with Lex in that episode was just a little bit worse than Lana's, don't you think?

Yeah, it was definitely worse. The problem here is that when Clark started realizing what Lex was all about, Lex was already too close to her. She has been close to him the entire time, and I think this has made him uncomfortable. Deep in the back of his mind he probably knows that Lana is too involved w/ Lex to tell her. If he tells her now and she pulls away from Lex, Lex will just come after her or maybe even try to harm her. Even when Lex was "good" the wars between him & Lionel put innocents like Pete in danger, and I don't think Clark wants this to happen to Lana. This does makes a lot of sense. If someone's best friend left due to the pressure of keeping the secret, I doubt he would want anyone else to know that secret. Chloe learned thanks to Alicia, so she doesn't count.

I blame Clark though, because he knew all of this and still tried to have her as his girlfriend. After S3, Clana should have been done. S4 should have had them split apart and eventually become good friends. The problem is that they want to put her in the heat of things, and her character isn't as developed as Chloe or Lois for this to work out good.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I can understand what you're saying about not blaming characters. But Lana is just looking for it too much. She was the one who took the stone & used it to kill Genevieve. Yes she was possessed, but what the hell did she think would happen if she would hide that stone from everyone? She saw what people were willing to do for it in Sacred, and she still wanted to be part of the deadly game. If you climb in the gorilla's cage, you better be prepared for dealing with the gorillas. She wasn't and the entire town of Smallville had to pay. And had Chloe not been at the Luthor mansion, who knows what would have happened as Clark would have remained where he was for Lex/the Kryptonians to find. She was dragged by Lex to the caves, so she didn't even go there on purpose. She wouldn't have even been at the mansion had she not been concerned about Lana. Plus she stopped Lex and protected Clark's secret. I give her many points for that. But, I still blame Clark for being naive and too concerned for Lana to not return to the FOS in time. I don't think he knew that his powers would be gone, but he should have expected something. The main thing though is that a LOT happened that day, and it could have slipped his mind after what happened to his parents, Lana, and everything else.



Lana wanted the stone because of the tattoo that she had. She thought the stones were a link to the tattoo. If some mysterious tattoo showed up on you and you were possessed because of it, I think you might go after the stones too. And once again, she didn't know that blood getting on the elements would send a meteor shower. She didn't even kill Genevieve. Chloe and Lana's actions in Commencement were the same as far as I'm concerned. You can look at it this way if you want, Lana started the meteor shower and Chloe sent the course of events into motion leading to Jonathan's death. I think both are unfair to say, but if you blame Lana for the meteor shower, I'll blame Chloe for Clark losing his powers and his father dying.



Well, to this, all I can say is that birds of a feather flock together. Both Lana & Lex are very obsessive. Lex with the Porsche accident on the bridge (plus many more incidents), and Lana with the tornado (plus many more incidents). They both have the need to investigate and can't learn to accept good things as miracles and just live on with their lives. Lex should be like that since it helps him get where he will end up, but Lana shouldn't be. If she saw the damage the ship did, then by all means she should stay away from it. Clark should tell her just to show her all the damage she caused with that 2nd meteor shower.



Only one thing to say, if you want to talk about obssessive things, how about Chloe's wall of weird in high school, exposing all meteor freaks while wanting to get the truth. And how about all of the other times that Chloe never stopped until she got answers, prying into people's life when they didn't want her to. Come on, you can't make these points about Lana and not include Chloe. Of course, once Chloe found out Clark's secret, she changed her ways, tore down the wall, realized that she needed to stop investigating every little thing. Lana doesn't know the secret so that might make her more stupid or curious than Chloe at this point in time, but this is exactly how Chloe used to act. So once again, it all goes back to Clark coming clean to Lana.



Yeah, it was definitely worse. The problem here is that when Clark started realizing what Lex was all about, Lex was already too close to her. She has been close to him the entire time, and I think this has made him uncomfortable. Deep in the back of his mind he probably knows that Lana is too involved w/ Lex to tell her. If he tells her now and she pulls away from Lex, Lex will just come after her or maybe even try to harm her. Even when Lex was "good" the wars between him & Lionel put innocents like Pete in danger, and I don't think Clark wants this to happen to Lana. This does makes a lot of sense. If someone's best friend left due to the pressure of keeping the secret, I doubt he would want anyone else to know that secret. Chloe learned thanks to Alicia, so she doesn't count.

Anyone close to clark is a threat, whether they know the secret or not. Lana would still face the same danger whether she knew the secret or not. Even if she doesn't know the secret, the people kidnapping her would treat her the same way as someone who did confess to Clark's secret. The end result is the end result, if the person wants to cover their tracks, they will kill anyone that they interrogate about Clark so that they can never be ratted out. So from Clark's standpoint, you either cut everyone out of your life so no one is a target, or you decide to trust the people you love with the secret and take it upon yourself to protect them.



I blame Clark though, because he knew all of this and still tried to have her as his girlfriend. After S3, Clana should have been done. S4 should have had them split apart and eventually become good friends. The problem is that they want to put her in the heat of things, and her character isn't as developed as Chloe or Lois for this to work out good.


I agree that it is Clark's fault, but come on, you really think that Lois is a developed character in this show? She is a waste to the show, she brings nothing to the table. Chloe and Lana are on the same level, they are both developed characters, but they could both be a lot more developed. Lois isn't even on the same playing field as Chloe and Lana when it comes to development, physical appearance aside that is.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Chloe would be a liablility as well, though. We've seen her put in harm's way when she was digging up dirt on Lionel and Summerholt in season 3. She could have easily been put on Adam's radar that season as well if she'd been caught snooping in his apartment. She ended up on the brink of death in the Fortress of Solitude because she tried to get Lana from Lex's mansion before leaving Smallville and she almost got killed by Gabriel in Hidden because she was trying to save the town.

Being an investigative reporter is going to put Chloe in harm's way on a regular basis. Clark would still have to worry about her on a regular basis.

EDIT: I forgot that Chloe actually did get hurt by Adam in Crisis. He still could have posed more of a threat to her, though, had she been caught snooping.

Chloe has made her share of mistakes, but not even close to the amount that Lana did. But Chloe learned from them. She is well equipped to handle herself as a reporter and can take care of herself. When threatened by Lex, she had a nice comeback and he knows that she is *very* good at digging up dirt.

And everything that happened to Chloe with Adam was because of Lana. Lana is the one who let Adam into her life and gave him the Talon apartment after barely knowing him. What she did with Gabriel had to be done since Clark had no powers and she wanted to do anything to stop Smallville from being nuked.

You made a good point though about Chloe being an investigative will make her a liability as well. This is what Lois will become. Clark does have a lot to learn from Chloe though. Both Lois & her are far better choices for confiding in than Lana. Lana doesn't seem to be the type who would say "yeah honey, it's OK, go save the world and I'll go to the museum alone" whereas Lois and Chloe would.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Chloe has made her share of mistakes, but not even close to the amount that Lana did. But Chloe learned from them. She is well equipped to handle herself as a reporter and can take care of herself. When threatened by Lex, she had a nice comeback and he knows that she is *very* good at digging up dirt.

And everything that happened to Chloe with Adam was because of Lana. Lana is the one who let Adam into her life and gave him the Talon apartment after barely knowing him. What she did with Gabriel had to be done since Clark had no powers and she wanted to do anything to stop Smallville from being nuked.

You made a good point though about Chloe being an investigative will make her a liability as well. This is what Lois will become. Clark does have a lot to learn from Chloe though. Both Lois & her are far better choices for confiding in than Lana. Lana doesn't seem to be the type who would say "yeah honey, it's OK, go save the world and I'll go to the museum alone" whereas Lois and Chloe would.

Chloe learned from her mistakes because she knows Clark's secret. I don't understand how this is so hard to believe. When did Chloe's character change, after what event did she change? That's right, once she learned Clark's secret we finally got a chance to see her prove that she is a trustworthy friend to Clark. Well unfortunately, the same can't be said yet for Lana because she doesn't know the secret. She knew for literally hours in the first part of Reckoning and she didn't even know all of the details about Clark and how he even came to earth. I know what the problem is right now. People forget about what Chloe was like before she found out about Clark and now that she is involved in all of Clark's secrets, she can easily be compared to Lana's character now and the knowledge of Clark's secret is suddenly a non-issue.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
Lana wanted the stone because of the tattoo that she had. She thought the stones were a link to the tattoo. If some mysterious tattoo showed up on you and you were possessed because of it, I think you might go after the stones too. And once again, she didn't know that blood getting on the elements would send a meteor shower. She didn't even kill Genevieve. Chloe and Lana's actions in Commencement were the same as far as I'm concerned. You can look at it this way if you want, Lana started the meteor shower and Chloe sent the course of events into motion leading to Jonathan's death. I think both are unfair to say, but if you blame Lana for the meteor shower, I'll blame Chloe for Clark losing his powers and his father dying.

I don't know what else to say. I just can't compare Chloe unwantingly being dragged to the cave by Lex to Lana knowingly keeping & hiding the stone in Sacred knowing how badly everyone wanted it. If she trusted Clark with it in Commencement she had to trust him all along. That type of trust doesn't just happen. He proved over and over again that he's capable of protecting his friends. I know she wouldn't know that getting blood on the stone would cause a 2nd meteor shower, but she shouldn't trust herself with such a dangerous item as that stone. The only connection between the stone and the tattoo is that Isabel wanted it, and I would think the stone would only make Isabel possess her again.


Originally posted by myankskent
Only one thing to say, if you want to talk about obssessive things, how about Chloe's wall of weird in high school, exposing all meteor freaks while wanting to get the truth. And how about all of the other times that Chloe never stopped until she got answers, prying into people's life when they didn't want her to. Come on, you can't make these points about Lana and not include Chloe. Of course, once Chloe found out Clark's secret, she changed her ways, tore down the wall, realized that she needed to stop investigating every little thing. Lana doesn't know the secret so that might make her more stupid or curious than Chloe at this point in time, but this is exactly how Chloe used to act. So once again, it all goes back to Clark coming clean to Lana.

Yeah, Chloe was/maybe still is obsessed with that, but this is what made Clark aware of all these things and helped him help people. I don't think Lana could hide the fact she knows the secret from Lex at this point in time. She can be read too easily. I think she would have to learn by herself and sit quietly and notice the danger for her to learn how to keep it. Chloe has come very far since the pilot and has a lot of street smarts. IMO, Lana started out good, but has since regressed a bit.


Originally posted by myankskent
Anyone close to clark is a threat, whether they know the secret or not. Lana would still face the same danger whether she knew the secret or not. Even if she doesn't know the secret, the people kidnapping her would treat her the same way as someone who did confess to Clark's secret. The end result is the end result, if the person wants to cover their tracks, they will kill anyone that they interrogate about Clark so that they can never be ratted out. So from Clark's standpoint, you either cut everyone out of your life so no one is a target, or you decide to trust the people you love with the secret and take it upon yourself to protect them.

I have to agree with you here. Clark should start making a secret identity soon. He should start living a more normal life and wear something to hide his face (maybe a motorcycle helmet with a shaded visor).


Originally posted by myankskent
I agree that it is Clark's fault, but come on, you really think that Lois is a developed character in this show? She is a waste to the show, she brings nothing to the table. Chloe and Lana are on the same level, they are both developed characters, but they could both be a lot more developed. Lois isn't even on the same playing field as Chloe and Lana when it comes to development, physical appearance aside that is.

Well, yeah Lois isn't that much developed, but I like the way they're portraying her this season. I hated what they did with her in S4. I think Chloe has come a long way since the pilot. Much more than Lana. Her interactions with Lionel in S3 are mainly responsible. Learning Clark's secret also helped, but by S4 when this happened, she was already a much different & more mature person than in S3. She also was smart enough to know that Lex was responisble for what happened in Scare and didn't give him a pass like all the others (Clark included) did. She has to be the smartest one of Clark, Lionel, Lois, and herself.


Originally posted by myankskent
Chloe learned from her mistakes because she knows Clark's secret. I don't understand how this is so hard to believe. When did Chloe's character change, after what event did she change? That's right, once she learned Clark's secret we finally got a chance to see her prove that she is a trustworthy friend to Clark. Well unfortunately, the same can't be said yet for Lana because she doesn't know the secret. She knew for literally hours in the first part of Reckoning and she didn't even know all of the details about Clark and how he even came to earth. I know what the problem is right now. People forget about what Chloe was like before she found out about Clark and now that she is involved in all of Clark's secrets, she can easily be compared to Lana's character now and the knowledge of Clark's secret is suddenly a non-issue.

No, she changed before she learned Clark's secret. She was much different in Scare and pretty much all of season 4. It happened after the fiasco with Lionel. That is what taught her to be more careful. Before that, Chloe was in a way reckless, but still not as bad as Lana. It might have even been at the end of Truth (which was her lowest point) that she learned. Ever since then, she stopped pressing Clark to know his secret, and she didn't know it at that time. Lana, on the other hand, has never stopped pressing. My main gripe here is that Clark should have told her before getting as involved as he did with her.

In Reckoning when Lana knew the secret, she still went to Lex. After Clark told her, she should know that with the ship and all that Lex is involved with that it's not safe for her to be around him at least until maybe Clark or Chloe train her on how to deal with him. Her association with Lex is just dangerous. Chloe is not even associated with him. At least she stepped back away from him. Whether he follows her around again remains to be seen, but Lana is voluntarily associating herself with Lex, something Clark & Chloe have stopped doing themselves. Lana even saw in Shattered what hanging around Lex did to her and she blamed it on Clark rather than on Lex and his screwed up family. Clark should have told her about the drugging and all, but he didn't. Still, if I were in her place and was attacked by a horse after being thrown into the stall, I would stay away from him.

[TackleDummy8]

If i recall, chloe always thought that clark was a meteor freak untill he cleared it up with her in arrival.


As for Lana, I know that if someone told me a secret as big as this, I wouldn't be able to just throw my friendship with someone away, I'd just learn how to protect it.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I don't know what else to say. I just can't compare Chloe unwantingly being dragged to the cave by Lex to Lana knowingly keeping & hiding the stone in Sacred knowing how badly everyone wanted it. If she trusted Clark with it in Commencement she had to trust him all along. That type of trust doesn't just happen. He proved over and over again that he's capable of protecting his friends. I know she wouldn't know that getting blood on the stone would cause a 2nd meteor shower, but she shouldn't trust herself with such a dangerous item as that stone. The only connection between the stone and the tattoo is that Isabel wanted it, and I would think the stone would only make Isabel possess her again.


What did you expect Lana to do with the stone? Give it to Lex? She kept it for herself so it wouldn't end up in the wrong hands. That whole possession storyline was so stupid anyway so I can't judge any of the characters involved as a result of it. Lana didn't even know what she did when she was possessed, she never remembered what happened after Isobel left her.



Yeah, Chloe was/maybe still is obsessed with that, but this is what made Clark aware of all these things and helped him help people. I don't think Lana could hide the fact she knows the secret from Lex at this point in time. She can be read too easily. I think she would have to learn by herself and sit quietly and notice the danger for her to learn how to keep it. Chloe has come very far since the pilot and has a lot of street smarts. IMO, Lana started out good, but has since regressed a bit.


Well we will never learn how Lana will deal with it unless it actually happens. Chloe had a major advantage because she found out by herself and was basically forced to keep it to herself for fear of confronting Clark about it. I'm not going to say that Lana would definitely handle it in a worse way, Lex should be more suspicious of what Chloe knows now than what Lana knows. I blame the writers on this because they conveniently dismiss the things that could break new ground on this show. Instead, they bludgeon the Clark/Lana relationship some more by making you think that they are breaking new ground and then taking it all away in the second half of Reckoning.




Well, yeah Lois isn't that much developed, but I like the way they're portraying her this season. I hated what they did with her in S4. I think Chloe has come a long way since the pilot. Much more than Lana. Her interactions with Lionel in S3 are mainly responsible. Learning Clark's secret also helped, but by S4 when this happened, she was already a much different & more mature person than in S3. She also was smart enough to know that Lex was responisble for what happened in Scare and didn't give him a pass like all the others (Clark included) did. She has to be the smartest one of Clark, Lionel, Lois, and herself.

Lois is the same this year compared to last year. Being Jonathan's campaign manager is the only thing that she has done this season, and that only lasted for a few episodes. Chloe's interactions with Lionel came to a head at the end of the third season. She wasn't even in the show for the first episode of season 4. I found her to be the same character until she learned Clark's secret. She stepped up to Lionel, yes, but she also had no choice. She knew that she was toast if she didn't. But after she found out Clark's secret, that is when she really started to realize how bad her actions have been over the year with Clark. They have always made Chloe a smart character because she was the reporter, if anything, she knew too much early in the show. I find it hard to believe that a 15 year old can tap into secure networks to dig up information. But that's all part of the show. I don't view her character as any better than the others. I think Clark, Jonathan, Lionel and Lex are on the same level in terms of how strong their characters are. I think Chloe, Lana and Martha are on another level(taking the whole series into consideration, not just this season), and then you have Pete and Lois. I'd probably give Pete an edge on Lois but he did exit the show early.



No, she changed before she learned Clark's secret. She was much different in Scare and pretty much all of season 4. It happened after the fiasco with Lionel. That is what taught her to be more careful. Before that, Chloe was in a way reckless, but still not as bad as Lana. It might have even been at the end of Truth (which was her lowest point) that she learned. Ever since then, she stopped pressing Clark to know his secret, and she didn't know it at that time. Lana, on the other hand, has never stopped pressing. My main gripe here is that Clark should have told her before getting as involved as he did with her.

In Reckoning when Lana knew the secret, she still went to Lex. After Clark told her, she should know that with the ship and all that Lex is involved with that it's not safe for her to be around him at least until maybe Clark or Chloe train her on how to deal with him. Her association with Lex is just dangerous. Chloe is not even associated with him. At least she stepped back away from him. Whether he follows her around again remains to be seen, but Lana is voluntarily associating herself with Lex, something Clark & Chloe have stopped doing themselves. Lana even saw in Shattered what hanging around Lex did to her and she blamed it on Clark rather than on Lex and his screwed up family. Clark should have told her about the drugging and all, but he didn't. Still, if I were in her place and was attacked by a horse after being thrown into the stall, I would stay away from him.

Lana never pressed Clark as much as Chloe. Chloe pressed too much causing Clark to snap at her continuously. She finally took the hint later on. Lana kept saying things like you have to be honest with the other person for a relationship to work. Lana never tried to dig around looking for the answers herself, she wanted Clark to tell her. I still think that Lionel didn't cause a change in Chloe, it was the secret. Chloe still pressed pete at the end of season 3 which aggravated him and I think he told her that he at that point understood why Clark got so upset at her for for prying into his life. Chloe pressed people constantly, more than anyone on this show, and she finally changed her ways when realizing Clark's secret. Lana's relationship with Lex is not dangerous. What is Lex going to do to her? What criminal activity is Lana directly responsible for? The danger is an unknown one to Lana, and that is that Lex could find out about Clark's secret. Reckoning was so rushed and inconsistent that I don't think we can blame any of the characters for what went on. I mean, what did Clark really tell Lana, because onscreen, he didn't tell her much. I don't believe Lex was even brought up in Clark's confession to her. I can't assume Lana was warned by Clark about Lex offscreen and she flat out disobeyed him. Also, Chloe stepped away from Lex because she learned Clark's secret. Did she step away from him at the end of season 3 and beginning of season 4? She went to Lex for help, am I correct? Several episodes later, she found out the secret and then stayed away from Lex. As for the horse incident, it was explained to Lana that Lex had a psychotic break. It was Clark who brought him to her anyway. I can't see that one event causing Lana to stay away from Lex. He was better after that, and in Memoria, didn't Lana find Lex standing on the ledge outside of the mansion and then promptly told Clark about it afterward because she thought Lex was having another psychotic break?

[TackleDummy8]

The only reason chloe pressed was because she already knew once Alicia had shown her. Of course she wanted to know before hand, and as you saw in the truth episode, chloe was on her way to the kents to find out the whole truth, but she passed out. Soon enough alicia teleported her so she saw and after that she still pressed but i wouldn't say as much as lana. lana is constantly telling clark that he should trust her.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
The only reason chloe pressed was because she already knew once Alicia had shown her. Of course she wanted to know before hand, and as you saw in the truth episode, chloe was on her way to the kents to find out the whole truth, but she passed out. Soon enough alicia teleported her so she saw and after that she still pressed but i wouldn't say as much as lana. lana is constantly telling clark that he should trust her.

No, I was saying that Chloe pressed more than anyone before she found out about Clark. I don't think she pressed as much after that because she knew everything. At the current time, however, yes, Lana is pressing Clark but that's what you do when you want to spend the rest of your life with someone. Eventually, Lana will give up and walk away.

[TackleDummy8]

yeah i guess i understand where you're coming from with that, in a way i do understand. I'm just surprised lana hasn't picked it up already. In so many different episodes people state that clark can do amazing things right in front of her and she doesn't even realize it. Like in perry when hes about to jump off he says "you're super strong, shock proof, and fast" and lana is right there and when clark tells her he was dellusional she blows it off.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
yeah i guess i understand where you're coming from with that, in a way i do understand. I'm just surprised lana hasn't picked it up already. In so many different episodes people state that clark can do amazing things right in front of her and she doesn't even realize it. Like in perry when hes about to jump off he says "you're super strong, shock proof, and fast" and lana is right there and when clark tells her he was dellusional she blows it off.

Well I think you have to chalk it all up to bad writing in terms of why Lana doesn't know by now. The writers are not intentionally making her stupid, they are trying to continually have her be blinded by the truth and after 5 years of this show, it's just not working as well as it once did. In terms of why Lana hasn't left clark yet, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Clark is so hot and cold with her. He decides to get together with her at the end of season 2, then goes on red kryptonite and leaves her the following season. Then he promises her that it will be different at the end of season 4 and tells her that there will be no more secrets and no more lies in the 5th season premier. From this, Lana sees a change in Clark like he is not keeping everything locked up inside. Of course we know that he doesn't have his powers anymore but Lana just sees him as being more open. So now Lana is in the zone, if you will, with Clark. Clark gets his powers back but adjusts to the lies again with Lana. It starts getting too much for Clark so he pulls away from her during the second half of Reckoning. Now, Lana can't exactly walk away from Clark so easily at this point, she had sex with him and felt closer to him than ever earlier this season, so now she is confused over why he is acting this way, probably depressed as well causing her to go to Lex for advice, something that she has done all througout the show, but it bothers the viewers now because we all know that Lex is up to no good. This causes people to hate Lana. So there you have it, this is me rationalizing the Clana relationship from the beginning.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
What did you expect Lana to do with the stone? Give it to Lex? She kept it for herself so it wouldn't end up in the wrong hands. That whole possession storyline was so stupid anyway so I can't judge any of the characters involved as a result of it. Lana didn't even know what she did when she was possessed, she never remembered what happened after Isobel left her.


I expected her to give it to Clark. He has always protected her and she supsected he was involved in it. She even admitted it in Commencement. If I were possessed by someone who wanted to rule the world by getting all the stones, I would give it to my most trusted friend, which to her is Clark. It's possible Isobel could have taken over her body completely if she got all 3 stones. But it was a stupid storyline like you said, so I won't say anything else other than they could have done a good job with it. It was forced down our throats in Crusade and they never took the time to develop it like they should have.


Originally posted by myankskent
Well we will never learn how Lana will deal with it unless it actually happens. Chloe had a major advantage because she found out by herself and was basically forced to keep it to herself for fear of confronting Clark about it. I'm not going to say that Lana would definitely handle it in a worse way, Lex should be more suspicious of what Chloe knows now than what Lana knows. I blame the writers on this because they conveniently dismiss the things that could break new ground on this show. Instead, they bludgeon the Clark/Lana relationship some more by making you think that they are breaking new ground and then taking it all away in the second half of Reckoning.


I agree 100%.


Originally posted by myankskent
Lois is the same this year compared to last year. Being Jonathan's campaign manager is the only thing that she has done this season, and that only lasted for a few episodes. Chloe's interactions with Lionel came to a head at the end of the third season. She wasn't even in the show for the first episode of season 4. I found her to be the same character until she learned Clark's secret. She stepped up to Lionel, yes, but she also had no choice. She knew that she was toast if she didn't. But after she found out Clark's secret, that is when she really started to realize how bad her actions have been over the year with Clark. They have always made Chloe a smart character because she was the reporter, if anything, she knew too much early in the show. I find it hard to believe that a 15 year old can tap into secure networks to dig up information. But that's all part of the show. I don't view her character as any better than the others. I think Clark, Jonathan, Lionel and Lex are on the same level in terms of how strong their characters are. I think Chloe, Lana and Martha are on another level(taking the whole series into consideration, not just this season), and then you have Pete and Lois. I'd probably give Pete an edge on Lois but he did exit the show early.

Well, I meant that she's less annoying. She was ridiculously annoying in S4. I still disagree about Chloe. Her pressing ended with what happened in Truth, but she was still jealous of Clark's relationship w/ Lana until S5. But it was much less than before. And if you remember her reaction at the end of Scare, she showed her 1st sign of backing away from Lex. She was very angry that he was not held accountable. Learning the secret definitely accelerated the change in her, but I think it would have been inevitable. I really liked how she was so protective of him in Blank. Lana hasn't been given a chance yet to be like this, so I won't judge her.


Originally posted by myankskent
Lana never pressed Clark as much as Chloe. Chloe pressed too much causing Clark to snap at her continuously. She finally took the hint later on. Lana kept saying things like you have to be honest with the other person for a relationship to work. Lana never tried to dig around looking for the answers herself, she wanted Clark to tell her. I still think that Lionel didn't cause a change in Chloe, it was the secret. Chloe still pressed pete at the end of season 3 which aggravated him and I think he told her that he at that point understood why Clark got so upset at her for for prying into his life. Chloe pressed people constantly, more than anyone on this show, and she finally changed her ways when realizing Clark's secret. Lana's relationship with Lex is not dangerous. What is Lex going to do to her? What criminal activity is Lana directly responsible for? The danger is an unknown one to Lana, and that is that Lex could find out about Clark's secret. Reckoning was so rushed and inconsistent that I don't think we can blame any of the characters for what went on. I mean, what did Clark really tell Lana, because onscreen, he didn't tell her much. I don't believe Lex was even brought up in Clark's confession to her. I can't assume Lana was warned by Clark about Lex offscreen and she flat out disobeyed him. Also, Chloe stepped away from Lex because she learned Clark's secret. Did she step away from him at the end of season 3 and beginning of season 4? She went to Lex for help, am I correct? Several episodes later, she found out the secret and then stayed away from Lex. As for the horse incident, it was explained to Lana that Lex had a psychotic break. It was Clark who brought him to her anyway. I can't see that one event causing Lana to stay away from Lex. He was better after that, and in Memoria, didn't Lana find Lex standing on the ledge outside of the mansion and then promptly told Clark about it afterward because she thought Lex was having another psychotic break?

I think Clark's main reason for snapping at Chloe and not Lana was because he was in love with Lana all that time. Plus he found out that she had talked to Lionel in Whisper. I'm sure had he found out Lana dug into his medical files and brought them to Lex, he would have more than snapped. It may have been good intentions on her part, but he is clearly against people sneaking around his back into his personal/confidential stuff as when Chloe did it. Also, as I said above, Chloe stepped away from Lex in Scare (before she found out the secret, though not long before). What she said in Onyx about Lex's experiments always going bad tells us that she has thought about him this way since Scare (at least since then). As for the psychotic breaks, I'd have to say that the writing was bad. They should have made Clark tell her about what Lionel did to Lex in Shattered & Asylum, what he did to Clark in Memoria, what Lex did in Mortal, and how he knew of Adam's whereabouts (at least before he escaped) and didn't tell Lana. And don't forget what he was involved in Bound with the way he treated those women, which was made public.

They're doing it on purpose so they can have a Lexana arc. Other than that, I don't see any other reason for the writers to keep Lana in the dark.

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by myankskent
Well I think you have to chalk it all up to bad writing in terms of why Lana doesn't know by now. The writers are not intentionally making her stupid, they are trying to continually have her be blinded by the truth and after 5 years of this show, it's just not working as well as it once did. In terms of why Lana hasn't left clark yet, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Clark is so hot and cold with her. He decides to get together with her at the end of season 2, then goes on red kryptonite and leaves her the following season. Then he promises her that it will be different at the end of season 4 and tells her that there will be no more secrets and no more lies in the 5th season premier. From this, Lana sees a change in Clark like he is not keeping everything locked up inside. Of course we know that he doesn't have his powers anymore but Lana just sees him as being more open. So now Lana is in the zone, if you will, with Clark. Clark gets his powers back but adjusts to the lies again with Lana. It starts getting too much for Clark so he pulls away from her during the second half of Reckoning. Now, Lana can't exactly walk away from Clark so easily at this point, she had sex with him and felt closer to him than ever earlier this season, so now she is confused over why he is acting this way, probably depressed as well causing her to go to Lex for advice, something that she has done all througout the show, but it bothers the viewers now because we all know that Lex is up to no good. This causes people to hate Lana. So there you have it, this is me rationalizing the Clana relationship from the beginning.


I agree with you 100%, but wouldn't you think that if clark loves her so much it'd be worth the risk to tell her? I said somewhere else, no matter if he told her again or not in reckoning, she would have been in the same situation. If he played it out the same way again, he could have probaly stopped the bus again.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
I agree with you 100%, but wouldn't you think that if clark loves her so much it'd be worth the risk to tell her? I said somewhere else, no matter if he told her again or not in reckoning, she would have been in the same situation. If he played it out the same way again, he could have probaly stopped the bus again.

Again, as unsatisfying as this answer I will give you is, it's the truth. Bad writing is the only explanation I have for you. Logic tells you that Clark should tell Lana, but the writers are too scared to do that at this point. They haven't had enough time to plan it out, 5 years isn't enough for them. They'd like another 3 years before they do it because they are whimps.

[Daphne]

Clark's hormones would have helped him tell her years ago. :)

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by myankskent
Again, as unsatisfying as this answer I will give you is, it's the truth. Bad writing is the only explanation I have for you. Logic tells you that Clark should tell Lana, but the writers are too scared to do that at this point. They haven't had enough time to plan it out, 5 years isn't enough for them. They'd like another 3 years before they do it because they are whimps.


lets go beat them up.

and at the same time we can meet the cast :cool:

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
Again, as unsatisfying as this answer I will give you is, it's the truth. Bad writing is the only explanation I have for you. Logic tells you that Clark should tell Lana, but the writers are too scared to do that at this point. They haven't had enough time to plan it out, 5 years isn't enough for them. They'd like another 3 years before they do it because they are whimps.

Yup. I wanted to see Clark & Lana as good friends by now. I wonder if we will even see this by the end of the series. I actually wanted to see a whole bunch of episodes of this, like a season's worth. But they'll probably have to kill off Chloe for that, which is something I don't want to happen. I don't think they will have him having 2 close friends (especially female friends) at the same time. And by close, I mean knowing-the-secret-close. I can see them having maybe Pete & Chloe or Pete & Lana, but just not 2 girls or 2 male friends for that matter (which he has none of now).

I wish instead of having his father pay the price for his resurrection, they would have done something where nobody would recognize Clark when he returned and it would be up to him to tell the friends he chooses. It would be a cheap cop-out in 1 way, but I think it would allow him to start playing the Superman card, which is something we should see the beginnings of soon. If I were TPTB and would have done this, I would have a nice cliffhanger ending in 1 episode where Lionel would still call him Kal-El and it would be a mystery of how he still recognizes him and how he knows the name Kal-El.

[TackleDummy8]

That'd be really tough to pull off, and I don't know if I'd really like the idea of giving him a whole new personality. All he want to do is fit in, whats the point of becoming a new person after he's finally become popular?

[xrayvision]

Hmm, I wonder if they'll ever have him start acting like a clumsy nerd in front of Lana & the world but act like himself in front of Chloe. At least that would get rid of those annoying shirtless scenes he has.

Here is some dialogue they could have:

Lex: And I thought you were extraordinary....superhuman. You're just a nerd, Clark!!!

Clark: No Lex, don't take away my graphing calculator. No, not my laptop!!

Lex: Clark, let me take you down to Metropolis & introduce you to a real laptop.

Clark: Garsh...no Lex, um, no I'm OK.

Lex: Yeah, well let me strap you down to my table and we'll find out, won't we, muahahaha!!!!

Clark: Help me Lionel, someone!!

Lex: How could I have lost Lana to you!! How!!!! The world will pay. I am the villian of the story!

[TackleDummy8]

.... i don't think that would blow over so well.

[xrayvision]

I know. They made this Clark become a lady's man type and it seems like he will never wear the glasses on a regular basis on this show. I wonder if they will ever tease the fans with the "S" curl in the front of his hair. Nah, I think that "power" will come after flight.

[TackleDummy8]

Are Clark and Lex friends in the original superman?

[shy175223]

nope. They are enemies from the start. I don't they ever has Clark Kent MEET Lex in the movies face to face. they only had Superman and Lex going at it.

[TackleDummy8]

Well does Lex know Superman's weakness to kryptonite?

[Jellie]

He does

[Shadow09]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
"I've always loved you, and I always will, no matter what happens."

The only thing I caught from that line was I thought he said something else afterwards.. something we didn't get to see, like him breaking up with her? But perhaps not...

I sorta got that feeling as well, something that we missed after Lana walked away, like a scene was indeed missing.

But onto the topic, I am not all that upset about them over if they are indeed over, cause the relationship took along time to come into fruition. So I won't be loosing any sleep over them.

BRING ON LEX AND LANA! ! !

[TackleDummy8]

If Lex and Lana get together, I think Lana can kiss any chance of learning clarks secret away.

[CSBen]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
Are Clark and Lex friends in the original superman?

In the comic they were friends, Lex was doing experiments in his lab and it blew up, that's how he loses his hair, Clark saves him but Lex blames him for destroying his experiments and so they become enemies.

Have a look at this..

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/superwhoswho/luthor.htm#Lex Luthor

As for Lois not ending up with Clark, lol!

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/superwhoswho/loislane.htm

Just aint happening.

[TackleDummy8]

hmmm thats pretty funny how they portray him in all those different ways.

As for lois, she sure does seem to be able to get herself into trouble alot. Just like Lana. :o!

[Kryptofan]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
yeah well, maybe they should just make them a couple and stop prancing around it. I want them to be together so bad, but i know in the end they won't be together. They should just put them together and end it like that. It'd make me one happier man. :(

It'd make me one happier woman..:D

[TackleDummy8]

yeah, im about to make my own superhero. and pair him and lana up :D

[SnarkMasterJ]

I'll be glad when Clana is over. It's not even beating the dead horse anymore -- the dead horse's children have children now and they're getting beaten up too. I don't blame that horse for stomping on Lana; he was probably trying to honor his ancestor's memory.


Originally posted by myankskent
It certainly would matter if she knew the secret. She would stay away from Lex and realize that he is a threat to Clark's secret. That's what people don't seem to get, Lana doesn't know that Lex is a danger to Clark.

What about "Mortal" and "Hidden"? How obvious was it that she was mad at Lex for prying in to Clark's personal life? And that's not the only occasion where Lana has been exposed to the kind of person Lex is. She's even called him on it. Chalk it up to bad writing, but that's a serious case of selective memory. You can't tell me that, at this point, Lana shouldn't be at least a little suspicious of Lex's character and not be willing to trust him so readily.

All her issues with Clark aside, I don't buy Lex being the first person Lana should logically turn to, given their past and what she's been through with him. I mean, Season 4 and all that nonsense with the stones and Jason and blah blah blah? She looked like she was ready to take an ax to him. Now she has no reason not to trust him and Clark's the bad guy? Please.

[TackleDummy8]

if clark was the bad guy, she wouldn't be dating him. her priorities are just a bit mixed up :(

[RedQ]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Yup. I wanted to see Clark & Lana as good friends by now. I wonder if we will even see this by the end of the series. I actually wanted to see a whole bunch of episodes of this, like a season's worth. But they'll probably have to kill off Chloe for that, which is something I don't want to happen. I don't think they will have him having 2 close friends (especially female friends) at the same time. And by close, I mean knowing-the-secret-close. I can see them having maybe Pete & Chloe or Pete & Lana, but just not 2 girls or 2 male friends for that matter (which he has none of now).Put back pete in the equation and we have the new cast of 'Friends'
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51868

Originally posted by Praxis
It's the Lana's Boyfriend's Father Dies Syndrome.DARN Lana is really jinxed All the boyfriends she wanted to breakup with dies. does that mean Lexana will cause the MB's Death OMG NOOOOO!!!!!! I rather have Lana Die rather than MB (no offense to KK)
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1885253#post1885253
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52262

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52022
Clark the BDA Lana keeps reaching out to him but he keeps pulling back. Responsibility to the farm? and probably don't want to assosiate with someone who he had saved and lost his father because of it.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1913739#post1913739
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1917488#post1917488
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52153
I think this is the Forshadowing of them splitting up cause after clark's statement of "I will always love you ... no matter whatever happens" and Lana walks away in a slow-mo. so that means even if Lana walks away Clark still loves her.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1880553#post1880553
IF Clana Happens it will be the end of
Smallville. no more story line. So they are going to streach it. iF that means Poor Chloe will be the emotional punching bag again for more seasons.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51820&perpage=40&pagenumber=2
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1882058#post1882058
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1882019#post1882019
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51820&perpage=40&pagenumber=3
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1888682#post1888682
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1979700#post1979700
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1945967#post1945967
Try to give the writers some credit; your still hooked. they might be setting you up for something on the next like when clark didn't pull the doctor aside and tell about chloe's mom. and turned out better cause their conversation at her bedside in 'TOMB', and the Luthor calling clark "son", Martha confiding in Chloe.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1973727#post1973727