Lex unfairly portrayed as the villan?

[KryptonX81]

I thought in tonights episode Lex was made out to be the villan when in fact he did nothing wrong.

His company is trying to give new life and hope to those who have lost everything. Victor would have died if Lex hadnt saved him twice. I know that he was keeping him locked up, but he said himself that it was only temporary until they were sure he would be ok.

Think of all the benifits that this technology could have. People that have lost limbs or have been in horrible accidents can lead normal lives.

He was definatly justified in lieing to Clark. Clark seems to have a way of playing the moral judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to what he sees as wrong. Alot of Lex's easily justifyable operations have "mysteriously" gone bad once Clark has found out. If I were him, I would want Clark finding out either.

They portrayed Victor as a tragic charachter who wishes that he could have died and as Lex as a bad guy for saving him. If Victor hates being alive so much, how come he was upset when he realized that he was "bleeding" to death? He also seemed pretty happy to be alive at the end when he met up with his girlfriend. None of that could have ever happened if Lex hadnt saved him.

Imagine all the other Lives that can be saved this way. Lex is the true hero for what he did.

[Aloof]

Yes, but he was also lying and using manipulation, too.

[asparks]

I don't find him being a hero by trying to play god and experimenting on humans. Victor said that he is the only one to survive the experiments.

As for the fact that he didn't want to die when he got shot. He wanted to see his girlfriend. He also wanted to die with his family, not be brought back to life.

[MBCorp]

Wouldn't Lex also have been behind the death of that doctor in the car?

[GhostRaider]

Ok then what was the point of Lex trying to have Victor's brain fried and having his emotions taken away. That doesn't sound like a nice thing to do at all does it? It's like Victor said himself, "Your trying to turn me into a drone". Lex wasn't trying to save Victor. Lex was just trying to create another weapon for him to market and profit off of plain and simple.

[Tyrfing42]

*looks at the title of the thread*

.....

No....just no.

[KryptonX81]

Lex said himself that the chip wasnt anything like that. It was a chip that prevented extreme emotions from conflicting with his bionics. It was for his own safety.

Victor would have never been able to see his girlfriend again if he wasnt alive. That is enough to live for.

[MBCorp]

The part about the chip freaked me out. Can you imagine having all of your emotions and feelings taken away from you, and to just become an unfeeling robot? That's what Lex wanted to do to poor Victor. *shivers*

[GhostRaider]

Yeah and we know that Lex is a bastion of truth. He was lying like he always does. He just wanted his toy and was willing to tell him anything to pacify him to get compliance.

[Serena]

Oh NO WAY he was perfectly EVOL! :)

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by MBCorp
The part about the chip freaked me out. Can you imagine having all of your emotions and feelings taken away from you, and to just become an unfeeling robot? That's what Lex wanted to do to poor Victor. *shivers*
It wouldnt have taken away all of his emotions. Like Lex said "You watch way too many sci-fi movies"

All the chip does is calm him down when he gets extremely mad to prevent damge to his body. It is no diffrent from the idea of a pacemaker. It had to be done to insure his survival.

[shy175223]

yeah, he knew where victor would go to when he escaped. He knew he would go to his girlfriend's house and that he the had the doctor be there.

[OutlawAngel]

Implanting a chip in a guys head and using him as a lab rat. Yeah that is a great guy right there.

[KryptonX81]

He saved his life. He didnt use him as a lab rat. There was some risk envolved, but the only risk is something that would have happened anyway if he had just left him in the car.

And like In have said, numerous times, the chip was both nessessary and for his own good. NOT a mind control device.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
It wouldnt have taken away all of his emotions. Like Lex said "You watch way too many sci-fi movies"

All the chip does is calm him down when he gets extremely mad to prevent damge to his body. It is no diffrent from the idea of a pacemaker. It had to be done to insure his survival.

Yeah, and Lex was saying all of this with the creepiest, most sinister look on his face. He was lying! Through his teeth! Dude, this is like, the first episode ever where we get Lex acting really, really evil and MB-ish, let's not ruin this proud moment by trying to excuse his actions away.

[k18]

But Victor didn't ask to be saved. Who is Lex to say who should be saved and who shouldn't? Lex didn't let him go so easily. Lex was lying and manipulating everyone else to get what he wants. He is truly becoming evil and I don't think he helped Victor at all.

[GhostRaider]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
It wouldnt have taken away all of his emotions. Like Lex said "You watch way too many sci-fi movies"

All the chip does is calm him down when he gets extremely mad to prevent damge to his body. It is no diffrent from the idea of a pacemaker. It had to be done to insure his survival.

Allright what was Lex basing this on then. Victor was pissed plenty of times this episode I never saw him doing great harm to himself except when Lex's goons shot him. Isn't it a hell of alot more likely that the chips sole purpose was to pacify Victor's emotions to ensure he wasn't going to run away anymore. As I said before just another way to keep his toy.

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Yeah, and Lex was saying all of this with the creepiest, most sinister look on his face. He was lying! Through his teeth! Dude, this is like, the first episode ever where we get Lex acting really, really evil and MB-ish, let's not ruin this proud moment by trying to excuse his actions away.
No way, il defend Lex till death! :D

Basicly waht you are saying is, it doesnt matter what good Lex has done, he talked in a mildly creepy voice so he must be evil.

Sorry guys. He isnt evil yet. I think he was at one of his most noble moments tonight.


Allright what was Lex basing this on then. Victor was pissed plenty of times this episode I never saw him doing great harm to himself except when Lex's goons shot him. Isn't it a hell of alot more likely that the chips sole purpose was to pacify Victor's emotions to ensure he wasn't going to run away anymore. As I said before just another way to keep his toy.

You have nothing to base that off of. It is just a wild accustation. Until there is proof that the chip was for that purpose, your arguement isnt valid.

[Tyrfing42]

Oh yes. Supporting human testing, out of which, cyborg was the only survivor, is a perfectly noble act.

[WangTang]

Lex was truly at his worst tonight, and i think the writers pulled it off very well. He obviously wanted to use vic for a weapon, and hell he almost suceeded. You can't restrict ones emmtions, its what makes them human after all. Lex new if Vic couldn't feel, he would not try and escape to go look for his girlfriend. Clark saved stone, and lana found his girlfirend. that part was great with Cyborg and his girl.

[shinedown]

LEX IS EVIL!!!!! you cant lie that much and condone someone being turned into a robot w/o being evil. thats the lex we've all wanted to see for sges and its finally here. he was most definately accurately represented as the villan

[Shreas]

Who's to be held accountable for the doc that got killed via carbon monoxide? Did Lex / the evil doctor kill him, or did he kill himself for some reason? If Lex's explanation that the evil doc did it is true, then why did he collaborate with him later in the episode?

I think we all know which direction Lex is headed toward.

[KryptonX81]

Please stop with the weapon arguement. It is just a wild accusation based on your unjustifyable bias tword Lex. You have nothing to back it up and until you do, it isnt valid.


But Victor didn't ask to be saved. Who is Lex to say who should be saved and who shouldn't?
According to your logic, we should shut down all emergency treatment departments in hospitols and fire departments. From now on, anytime someone gets in an accident, we will just leave them there to die unless we are sure that they want to be saved. After all, according to you, who are we to decide such a thing?

[spideyfan]

No..he is rightfully portrayed as the villan :)

[MBCorp]

I don't care how you try and excuse it, forcing someone against their will to be part of a lab experiment and then trying to implant a chip that will take all of their emotions and feelings away is EVIL. There's really no excuse for that. I really do think that Lex wants to create an army of unfeeling robots, or he at least wanted to use Victor as some sort of weapon in his quest for power. He certainly didn't have Victor's best interests at heart!

[Tyrfing42]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
Please stop with the weapon arguement. It is just a wild accusation based on your unjustifyable bias tword Lex. You have nothing to back it up and until you do, it isnt valid. What we do have is the other "failed expirements". And, Lex's deciet about a scientist who's death was partially his fault. He makes a good villian. He's supposed to. Get over it.

[KryptonX81]

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Originally posted by shinedown
LEX IS EVIL!!!!! you cant lie that much and condone someone being turned into a robot w/o being evil. thats the lex we've all wanted to see for sges and its finally here. he was most definately accurately represented as the villan
Those robotic enhancements saved his life. Victor would have died and never have been able to see his girlfiend if Lex hadnt helped.

Every single happy moment that Victor and his girlfriend have after this is owed to Lex.

[shinedown]

my words exactly, lex is the best badass that ever graced out tv screens and he showed that this episode!

[GhostRaider]

KryptonX81 dosen't look like anyone here at all is buying your arguement at all does it.

[Kryptonian Snake]

The problem is that the surgical procedures were highly experimental and Victor was basically used in a clinical trial without his consent. In the end, he was saved and got a second chance at life. But what about all the others who died before this success? Just because it's a life-saving procedure doesn't mean you can skip testing stages in the experimental process.

I wouldn't say Lex was 100% evil, but I can't really justify throwing ethics out the window and treating people like lab animals.

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by Tyrfing42
What we do have is the other "failed expirements". And, Lex's deciet about a scientist who's death was partially his fault. He makes a good villian. He's supposed to. Get over it.
Those failed experiments wernt a bad thing. The only risk involved is something that would happened anyway if the experiments never happened.

[myankskent]

Lex is evil, don't think of ways to make him look better or else this show will spin it's wheels for another few seasons. I like what they are doing to Lex, he is slowly but surely getting worse and I am loving every minute of it. I just want the Lexana gone and then I'll be happy. Note to TPTB, do you see what an awesome episode you get when you simply show Lex doing bad things rather than softening him up with Lana? Get rid of that storyline, it's sheer trash.

[Tyrfing42]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
Those failed experiments wernt a bad thing. The only risk involved is something that would happened anyway if the experiments never happened. And what about the scientist who died because he objected to the experimenting?

Do you really think that helping people was his objective? No, it was the research. He didn't mind helping people, but it's clear from the fact that he doesn't care who gets killed for his goals that his intentions weren't noble.

[KryptonX81]

Yes, I do think that helping people was his goal.

All I know is, if a billionare personaly saves me from the brink of death, spends millions in experimental medical proceedures and advanced prostecics, monitors my recovery closely, all to insure that I can lead a normal life and have a second chance, I would be a bit more grateful.

[hanemg]

According to your logic, we should shut down all emergency treatment departments in hospitols and fire departments. From now on, anytime someone gets in an accident, we will just leave them there to die unless we are sure that they want to be saved. After all, according to you, who are we to decide such a thing?
Tell you what, you show me a hospital where after they save your life they let your loved ones continue believing that you're dead, then keep you drugged and caged, and when you finally escape pursue you, shoot you, assault the person you are with, kidnap your girlfriend as a threat to make you return with them and then attempt to subject you to a medical procedure despite the fact that you consciously and vigoriously refuse and I might buy your comparison.

In the mean time I'm going to have to say Lex is behaving just a tad suspiciously.

[Tyrfing42]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
Yes, I do think that helping people was his goal.

All I know is, if a billionare personaly saves me from the brink of death, spends millions in experimental medical proceedures and advanced prostecics, monitors my recovery closely, all to insure that I can lead a normal life and have a second chance, I would be a bit more grateful. If all he wanted was for him to live a normal life, he could have stopped about half a billion dollars ago.

It was clear he was fully capable of surviving as he was towards the begining of the episode. Why the need to keep him locked up? And even shoot him to get him back?

Also, your still skating around the death of the scientist. Just like Lex would actually. Trying to distract us with with other points. Mighty suspicious.

[KryptonX81]

Becuase he needed to put that chip in. Without the chip, anytime Victor gets too emotionaly upset, he could die.

[supercode]

I think Lex's motives might. possibly have been noble, but he definantly took things too far. We don't know Lex was responsible for the doctor's death,( might have been the psycho scientist and Lex covered it up to keep his " life saving" experments going)and the chip may have been to help cyborg, but if you can't feel what's the point of being alive? Either way, Lex went too far, the only question is why?

[Tyrfing42]

Originally posted by supercode
I think Lex's motives might. possibly have been noble, but he definantly took things too far. We don't know Lex was responsible for the doctor's death,( might have been the psycho scientist and Lex covered it up to keep his " life saving" experments going)and the chip may have been to help cyborg, but if you can't feel what's the point of being alive? Either way, Lex went too far, the only question is why? Because he is a villian. He feels that his goals (whatever they may be) are above morals and the concerns of others. It's called determination. And it's the one character trait identifies his villiany. He's not sadistic like some villians, he's just determined.

[GhostRaider]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
Becuase he needed to put that chip in. Without the chip, anytime Victor gets too emotionaly upset, he could die.
Again what was Lex basing this on? What proof did he have that Victor would die?

[MBCorp]

I really do not think that Lex's motives were noble. There is just nothing noble about holding someone in a lab against their will, experimenting on them, and then wanting to give them some creepy chip that will take away all of their emotions and feelings. Nothing noble about that at all and I can't see how there could be any noble motivations behind it.

[OutlawAngel]

Originally posted by hanemg
Tell you what, you show me a hospital where after they save your life they let your loved ones continue believing that you're dead, then keep you drugged and caged, and when you finally escape pursue you, shoot you, assault the person you are with, kidnap your girlfriend as a threat to make you return with them and then attempt to subject you to a medical procedure despite the fact that you consciously and vigoriously refuse and I might buy your comparison.

In the mean time I'm going to have to say Lex is behaving just a tad suspiciously.

WORD! :D

[LuckyKrypto]

I totally can't believe some of the rationalizing I am reading in regards to Lex. Do we really need to analyze him?? Lex has already told us "He IS the villain of the story" :D

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by GhostRaider
Again what was Lex basing this on? What proof did he have that Victor would die?
He said it himself. extreme emotions in the brain can interfere with the functions of his biomechanical implants. Without those implants, he would die.

Let me ask you a question, do you people have some moral objection against pacemakers? Becuase they are basicly the same thing. They just calm you down when you get dangerously upset.


Lex has already told us "He IS the villain of the story"

Youd do remember the context that those words were spoken in, right?

[Tyrfing42]

Again, it comes down to the scientist who set him free. He was a smart guy. If Cyborg was in danger of dying, and their intentions were only to save him, why would he release him. Just cause he's an a$$hole?

[GhostRaider]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
He said it himself. extreme emotions in the brain can interfere with the functions of his biomechanical implants. Without those implants, he would die.

Let me ask you a question, do you people have some moral objection against pacemakers? Becuase they are basicly the sae thing. They just calm you down when you get dangerously upset.

Pacemakers don't calm you down they just keep your heart beating at a consistent and normal rate no matter what. They have nothing to do with controling ones emotions. These to things have nothing in common so your arguement here has no basis.

That chip would have robbed him of a god given emotion and that isn't Lex's decesion to make at all.

[MBCorp]

People, this is like, one person arguing against everyone else. It's really not much of a debate.

[d.g225]

lex is evil get it thourgh your narow minds he ant good !!!!!!! he is bad for lana and the wrold that is why he is the villian !! god im am so sick of people deffending him !!! he is lex luther for god sakes! some people are so stupid!!!!!

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by MBCorp
People, this is like, one person arguing against everyone else. It's really not much of a debate.

Ditto!

[hanemg]

Let me ask you a question, do you people have some moral objection against pacemakers? Becuase they are basicly the sae thing. They just calm you down when you get dangerously upset.
No, they regulate the rhythm of the heart when you have some physical defect that interferes with that muscles normal movement and response to signals from the brain. You're still free to feel however you want. You can get mad, sad, happy, irritated or whatever. You can also feel the need to escape from mad nazi scientists wishing to imprison and operate on you. This is just a hunch, but I think that chip would have worked just a bit differently.

[d.g225]

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[myankskent]

Originally posted by GhostRaider
Pacemakers don't calm you down they just keep your heart beating at a consistent and normal rate no matter what. They have nothing to do with controling ones emotions. These to things have nothing in common so your arguement here has no basis.

That chip would have robbed him of a god given emotion and that isn't Lex's decesion to make at all.

Do you even know what show you are watching? Did you get the memo that Lex Luthor is the bad guy? Try watching the superman movies or something because saying that Lex is not evil at this point is ludicrous.

[OutlawAngel]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
He said it himself. extreme emotions in the brain can interfere with the functions of his biomechanical implants. Without those implants, he would die.

Let me ask you a question, do you people have some moral objection against pacemakers? Becuase they are basicly the same thing. They just calm you down when you get dangerously upset.



Youd do remember the context that those words were spoken in, right?

That's just what Lex said. Lex was telling a lie. Just notice his actions and mannerisms. the man was telling a lie through his teeth.

And i dont think this show believes in pacemakers. Jonathan's death proved that.

[GhostRaider]

Originally posted by hanemg
No, they regulate the rhythm of the heart when you have some physical defect that interferes with that muscles normal movement and response to signals from the brain. You're still free to feel however you want. You can get mad, sad, happy, irritated or whatever. You can also feel the need to escape from mad nazi scientists wishing to imprison and operate on you. This is just a hunch, but I think that chip would have worked just a bit differently.

Thanks for saying this a hell of a lot better than I did.

[Kal'sGirl]

Originally posted by KryptonX81
Those failed experiments wernt a bad thing. The only risk involved is something that would happened anyway if the experiments never happened.

by this logic then all human experimentation should be allowed since everyone eventually dies.

:rolleyes:

[GhostRaider]

Originally posted by myankskent
Do you even know what show you are watching? Did you get the memo that Lex Luthor is the bad guy? Try watching the superman movies or something because saying that Lex is not evil at this point is ludicrous.

I believe that is what i was saying.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
I totally can't believe some of the rationalizing I am reading in regards to Lex. Do we really need to analyze him?? Lex has already told us "He IS the villain of the story" :D

Exactly. Once you admit to it, your kinda committed. Besides, we all know how he is gonna turn out, so why prolong the inevitable? :)

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by myankskent
Do you even know what show you are watching? Did you get the memo that Lex Luthor is the bad guy? Try watching the superman movies or something because saying that Lex is not evil at this point is ludicrous.

I'm tellin ya. No matter what context you want to put it in Lex said it best ....
"I AM the villain of the story"
(Incase there was ever any doubt ;) )

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

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