"I always loved, I always have and I always will "

[shy175223]

Pretty onimous words there! Notice he didn't say yes" I still love you" back. Ummm.

[Xsmallville_obsessedX]

Well he said he will always love her, so that clearly means he loves her now. I know I still love my first love and always will. Besides, these two have been so deep in love soo many times, how can they just drop all feelings for each other? We all know Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark, and they will "no matter what happens" like Clark said.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Xsmallville_obsessedX
Well he said he will always love her, so that clearly means he loves her now. I know I still love my first love and always will. Besides, these two have been so deep in love soo many times, how can they just drop all feelings for each other? We all know Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark, and they will "no matter what happens" like Clark said.

I'm not saying he just quit his feelings now, I'm just saying that he does'nt seem so sure ABOUT his feelings toward Lana. He never said 'I love you' back. He sort of said like in the past tense or something. Like he is not sure about their relationship now.

[smchic92]

did anyone notice at the end of the scence with clark and lana, when lana was walking down the steps of the loft, that she seemed upset? and when clark told lana ' i love you and always will' she sort of reacted like that wasn't the answer she wanted to hear or expected. Also, at the DP when lana mentioned something about victor lieing to his girlfriend, we all saw chloe look at clarkand clark look at chloe. well lana noticed it too! omg! do you think she knows chloe is involved with clark's secret??

and to answer your question, i do think he loves her(he always will) but i really think he's unsure of his feelings right now. maybe he's pulling away after what happened in reckoning? maybe he knows he can only be close to her if he tells her his secret and he knows what will happen if he does? so he's just decided to end it. I don't know...i guess we'll just have to wait until april.

[k18]

I noticed at that stuff too! We all know clark and Lana love each other and always will but I think lana was upset because he wouldn't tell her what he was hiding and he said he will lover no matter what happens, meaning he is anticipating a break up. He knows it won't last and so does she. I think they are going to end it next episode (for good).

[Nospam]

Yeah, and on top of all that we haven't seen a single lovey dovey moment between the two of them since Reckoning.

Lana can't complain though since they are on a break! Don't the writers ever read the scripts they've written?

[smchic92]

Originally posted by k18
I noticed at that stuff too! We all know clark and Lana love each other and always will but I think lana was upset because he wouldn't tell her what he was hiding and he said he will lover no matter what happens, meaning he is anticipating a break up. He knows it won't last and so does she. I think they are going to end it next episode (for good).


yeah! thats what i'm getting at. they probably will break it off soon. :( thats sad...me being a clana fan and all. but i don't know why she seemed upset. like, i saw her reaction when clark said 'i love you and always will' but when she left, he must have or she must have said something to get her a little ticked off? like maybe he broke up with her then? i don't know..maybe i'm trying to find something thats not there but for me, it just doesn't fit.

[ma200]

Originally posted by k18
I noticed at that stuff too! We all know clark and Lana love each other and always will but I think lana was upset because he wouldn't tell her what he was hiding and he said he will lover no matter what happens, meaning he is anticipating a break up. He knows it won't last and so does she. I think they are going to end it next episode (for good).

heh. I was wondering why Lana ran out like that...in slo-mo too :lol:

[shy175223]

Originally posted by smchic92
and to answer your question, i do think he loves her(he always will) but i really think he's unsure of his feelings right now. maybe he's pulling away after what happened in reckoning? maybe he knows he can only be close to her if he tells her his secret and he knows what will happen if he does? so he's just decided to end it. I don't know...i guess we'll just have to wait until april.

That's what I'm saying though. That he isn't sure about their relationship at this point. Or maybe you're right maybe he is trying to pull away from he after what happen in 'Reckoning".

[spideyfan]

Lana knew what he meant when he said those words...CK will always love her but not the way she wants...She was ''upset' because CK will always care for her but not ever open up to her or ever form as strong a relationship as they had before.

[k18]

Yeah, Lana was upset because deep down she knows that Clark can't giver her what she wants right now: honesty in a relationship. I hope she finds out the truth soon, though so they can be friends and she can be his confidant (besides Chloe).

[JB5150]

Well, the tone of voice when he said all that was the kicker for me. He laid out always have always will in a matter of fact tone of voice that said louder than words he's pretty much giving up on trying to make things work. This makes me pretty happy, as I'm getting a little sick of all her not-so-subtle digs at him. WE GET IT! you're annoyed that he won't open up. Even HE has to get it by now.

His whole tone of voice thing came over even clearer for me after the Cyborg/GF scene in the barn. Just clark and lana looking at each other past them, and having an entire conversation of "see, it can work if you just TELL me" and clark's happy for cyborg smile fading as he remembers his own same issue and how it won't ever work out followed by her seeing it in his face

Clark seems FINALLY resigned to the fact that it'll never work, Lana isn't quite there yet, but hey... there's always April...

[myankskent]

Clark does love Lana, he is just scared to get close to her again because the lying is getting to him. If he were able to tell Lana his secret, they would live happily ever after. Instead, he is afraid that Lana will be put in too much danger, particularly from Lex. If you ask me, that is just ridiculous. Lana is in danger every episode anyway so it shouldn't matter that she knows Clark's secret. Also, I believe that if she never finds out, going to Lex constantly will get her killed anyway, either by him or by people that Lex is involved with. No girl is ever affiliated with Lex and lives through it.

[Sayzak]

He clearly sees the bigger picture now. She can never take advantage of him again because he can't/won't bring himself to obsess over Lana. When has Lana ever NOT been desired by someone? She's got Lex. This is how Clark will know that Lana is not the one, when she turns to Lex for comfort and security. When Lex is the one obsessing over Lana. And that Lana doesn't actually love Clark, she loves herself.

So ironic... until my dad died 9 days ago I was still obsessing over my ex girlfriend too. Now I'm not. At all.

[k18]

I have a feeling that she will find out soon after they're broken up but will remain friends. I really hope they break up on mutual terms and can still be good friends, like in the comics. Lexana will probably last to the end of the season.

[Cookie 28]

I don't know why they bother filming new loft scenes with Clark and Lana. They should just go back to the past episodes and replay them. Its the same thing everytime.

[ma200]

Originally posted by JB5150
Well, the tone of voice when he said all that was the kicker for me. He laid out always have always will in a matter of fact tone of voice that said louder than words he's pretty much giving up on trying to make things work.

Meh. I'll believe it when I see it. And by seeing it, I meant seeing Clark say "I think I can live without Lana blah blah blah"

[xrayvision]

When she ran out, I thought that signified that they broke up (instead of showing them say it verbally).

[Toppa]

Wow. Those were ominous words. That's like saying "I love you, but I'm not or I can't be in love with you." I think that's the way Lana read it and that's why she was so upset. To me that was the signal for the strictly platonic relationship Clark will grow to have with Lana.

Wow. Those were ominous words. That's like saying "I love you, but I'm not or I can't be in love with you." I think that's the way Lana read it and that's why she was so upset. To me that was the signal for the strictly platonic relationship Clark will grow to have with Lana.

[Kal EL2380]

Its like in the future. He loves her, but not the way she wants. She will always be in love with him, and that my friends forshadows to how she pines over him for the rest of her life even when shes "inlove" with other guys. I dont hate Lana, but she seems so selfish in her constant persute of his secrets. This just seems like a perfect way to end it. This is indeed bittersweet.

[Zungas]

Maybe one of these times Clark will catch up to Lana outside the barn and tell her the secret...maybe.

[bkzcici]

Breaks are not unusual in relationships. Don't go all nuts because Lana asked for a break 3 episodes ago. Personally, I hate when Lana asks questions, she ruins the mood. But I guess any girl would question their boyfriend. Girls always want to know the truth. But I have to say when Cyborg and his gf are back together, the looks on Clark and Lana's face.. they both wish they can be like them! Of course, Clark wants it more bc he does want Lana to know his secret without any risks. Their looks are priceless.

[Toppa]

Originally posted by Kal EL2380
Its like in the future. He loves her, but not the way she wants. She will always be in love with him, and that my friends forshadows to how she pines over him for the rest of her life even when shes "inlove" with other guys. I dont hate Lana, but she seems so selfish in her constant persute of his secrets. This just seems like a perfect way to end it. This is indeed bittersweet.

This is her just uppance! *I love Stewie from Family Guy* :lol:

No but, think about it, Clark has pined over her since he was 7 (according to him) so it's only fair that she does some pining now. ;) In her defence however, she wasn't bad in this episode, I may start liking her again. She wasn't annoying and running to Lex for everything.

[amberdawn]

I agree with a whole bunch of you. Great posts.


Originally posted by Cookie 28
I don't know why they bother filming new loft scenes with Clark and Lana. They should just go back to the past episodes and replay them. Its the same thing everytime.
I know. Same mopey looks at one another and pretty much the same dialouge, just in different words. Boooring.

[Black cat]

What stood out to me is that she had to ask him if he loved her. Before he would have jumped to reassure her but now, it's like he's distancing himself. I also noticed that SHE keeps going to him, not the other way around. Heck, he goes to Chloe more than he goes to her!

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Black cat
What stood out to me is that she had to ask him if he loved her. Before he would have jumped to reassure her but now, it's like he's distancing himself. I also noticed that SHE keeps going to him, not the other way around. Heck, he goes to Chloe more than he goes to her!

That's because Chloe knows his secret and Lana does not. How would Clark go to Lana about Braniac or the ship?

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by Black cat
What stood out to me is that she had to ask him if he loved her. Before he would have jumped to reassure her but now, it's like he's distancing himself. I also noticed that SHE keeps going to him, not the other way around. Heck, he goes to Chloe more than he goes to her!
I think we are finally seeing Clark begin to let go.

[Black cat]

Originally posted by myankskent
That's because Chloe knows his secret and Lana does not. How would Clark go to Lana about Braniac or the ship?

His mother knows the secret too, yet he goes to Chloe for emotional support. And I don't mean about the sex thing, but about things he could have talked to his mother about. If Clark felt closer to Lana, just being in her presence would calm him. That's not the case, especially since he feels he can't tell her the secret. She's all "secrets and lies" anymore and he can't take it. He's pulling away.

[MBCorp]

I think Clark's about as bored with Clana as I am.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Black cat
His mother knows the secret too, yet he goes to Chloe for emotional support. And I don't mean about the sex thing, but about things he could have talked to his mother about. If Clark felt closer to Lana, just being in her presence would calm him. That's not the case, especially since he feels he can't tell her the secret. She's all "secrets and lies" anymore and he can't take it. He's pulling away.

Clark doesn't go to martha because he doesn't want her to get worried, especially about the death earlier in the season. I'm not saying that Clark feels close to Lana. He clearly doesn't because he can't tell her the secret. But if she knew about it, and accepted him, he would probably go to her more.

[Toppa]

Originally posted by Black cat
What stood out to me is that she had to ask him if he loved her. Before he would have jumped to reassure her but now, it's like he's distancing himself. I also noticed that SHE keeps going to him, not the other way around.

Very true. I pointed that out last week. It's usually Clark trying to reach out to Lana and reassure her and whatever. But now it's Lana's turn. The way he said it...damn...:lol:

[Black cat]

Originally posted by myankskent
I'm not saying that Clark feels close to Lana. He clearly doesn't because he can't tell her the secret. But if she knew about it, and accepted him, he would probably go to her more.

My point exactly. He doesn't feel close to her at all anymore. He's distancing himself, and growing closer to the girl who does know the secret and still accepts him. They may not have a romantic pairing (yet!) but a much more intimate relationship without a doubt.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Black cat
My point exactly. He doesn't feel close to her at all anymore. He's distancing himself, and growing closer to the girl who does know the secret and still accepts him. They may not have a romantic pairing (yet!) but a much more intimate relationship without a doubt.

You have to understand something and all of the Chloe/Clark lovers need to understand this as well. The reason why Chloe and Clark work well at this point is because romantic feelings are not involved. If they were to ever put Clark and Chloe together at this point, it would not only be short lived, but it would destroy their whole friendship. If I was a Chloe/Clark fan, I wouldn't be hoping for any kind of romantic storyline for them.

[Black cat]

Originally posted by myankskent
If I was a Chloe/Clark fan, I wouldn't be hoping for any kind of romantic storyline for them.

I'm not. I'm hoping for Chlois.

[sari_chem]

Wow. Those were ominous words. That's like saying "I love you, but I'm not or I can't be in love with you." I think that's the way Lana read it and that's why she was so upset. To me that was the signal for the strictly platonic relationship Clark will grow to have with Lana.

That's an interesting point of view. It's very possible.

But I did feel bad for Lana when he said "I will always love you etc." I agree that it sounded like he will always love her, but right now he's not sure that he's in love with her.

Trust me, it doesn't feel good when someone says that. Take it from someone who's gotten the "I love you, but I can't love you" line.

[Black cat]

Originally posted by sari_chem
But I did feel bad for Lana

I think that Lana has recieved all the pity she deserves. She wanted to go on a break. This is what she gets.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by myankskent
You have to understand something and all of the Chloe/Clark lovers need to understand this as well. The reason why Chloe and Clark work well at this point is because romantic feelings are not involved. If they were to ever put Clark and Chloe together at this point, it would not only be short lived, but it would destroy their whole friendship. If I was a Chloe/Clark fan, I wouldn't be hoping for any kind of romantic storyline for them.

I feel the same way. It's one of the reasons why I would never ship Chloe/Clark, because it would break up one of the few decently written friendships on the show.

[BadToad]

IMO, With the circumstances surrounding his fathers death, something broke, perhaps irrevocably, in Clark. And right or wrong, Lana is part and parcel of that. He can't seperate her from that fateful day. He can't ever know for sure what part of saving her played a role in his fathers death. I can only imagine that being close to Lana now is just painful. And how could he possibly explain that to her? Even if he was honest with her about his powers, it changes nothing about that day. Not only that, but how would that information impact Lana. "Oh Lana, I went back in time to save you...and then my father died". We already know Clark is struggling with guilt and remorse, and wouldn't the truth burden Lana with the same? There is no comfort in Lana for Clark anymore. She's not a refuge, she's a painful reminder. Not her fault, of course. But it is what it is.

Having said that, Lana hooking up with Lex = deadtomeLana. Right now, my breaks for the girl. Lexana will change that.

Its a very sad thing, but when some things break, you can't repair them. Best for them to move on, and try and salvage a friendship. Perhaps down the road a little when they've had some time to heal.

[Black cat]

Originally posted by BadToad
There is no comfort in Lana for Clark anymore. She's not a refuge, she's a painful reminder. Not her fault, of course. But it is what it is.

Word. He will never look at her the same way again.

Hi BadToad! I'm DarkFeline at TWoP!

[Kefala323]

I thought it was more that the type of relationship they've been trying to have will never work. I believe Clark realized that in the 100th ep. I think this is more I love you like my sister, or something like you are the first girl I ever loved but we just will never have that intimacy again. In the comics they are very close friends and she does know his secret, she is very much like Chloe is now, she protects his secret, she is with Lex but for different reasons. When he leaves smallville in the comics, he takes Lana out to a field, doesn't say a word, just takes off in front of her and flies away. This really could be the setup for that kind of scenerio. I think they are setting it up for that sort of close friendship love not intimate love.

[SmallvilleMan]

I have to disagree on many accounts here. I think he's saying that he will alaways love her, despite what happens in the future. I don't think he's to the sister point or friend point of it yet. He's still in love with her in the way he's always been, but he's trying to make himself face the truth. He's trying to prepare himself for the fact he can't be with her, not because he doesn't want to, but because he believes he can't.

[lanakk1]

I just don't get Clark. If they were on a break, aint this a good time to repatch things? When he said I always love you, he said it back so fast that he didn't have his heart in it when he said it. And he wasn't staring to lana eyes like every clana loft scene in the past. I feel bad for lana.

[uncsuperman]

Originally posted by BadToad
IMO, With the circumstances surrounding his fathers death, something broke, perhaps irrevocably, in Clark. And right or wrong, Lana is part and parcel of that. He can't seperate her from that fateful day. He can't ever know for sure what part of saving her played a role in his fathers death. I can only imagine that being close to Lana now is just painful. And how could he possibly explain that to her? Even if he was honest with her about his powers, it changes nothing about that day. Not only that, but how would that information impact Lana. "Oh Lana, I went back in time to save you...and then my father died". We already know Clark is struggling with guilt and remorse, and wouldn't the truth burden Lana with the same? There is no comfort in Lana for Clark anymore. She's not a refuge, she's a painful reminder. Not her fault, of course. But it is what it is.

Having said that, Lana hooking up with Lex = deadtomeLana. Right now, my breaks for the girl. Lexana will change that.

Its a very sad thing, but when some things break, you can't repair them. Best for them to move on, and try and salvage a friendship. Perhaps down the road a little when they've had some time to heal.

this is interesting. i'm not sure if anyone here ever watched Dawson's Creek.

but Dawson's dad died, in a car accident, but it was a night when he had gotten in a fight with Dawson for moving back home to be with Joey.

so in a way, it was Dawson's fault, and somehow directly linked to Joey. therefore, Joey simply brought up all these horrible feelings of sadness and anger and the past and how it would never be the same again. before his dad's death, Dawson and Joey were like on the verge of getting together and being all happy and stuff.

i hadn't thought about it until now, but the situation you've proposed about Clark and Lana is eerily similar in circumstance to that of Dawson and Joey.

[svsabbiesv]

I didn't like the fact that he said no matter what happens...it seem like he knows already that Lana won't ever get over the "secrets" which will most likely make Clark make the decision for both of them to end their relationship, but won't Clark realize this will make her lean towards Lex. But look at Lexmas, Lex asks "how did I end up with Lana" and Clarks says "I couldn't give her what she wanted" damn smallville!!!! argh

[SmallvilleMan]

He said he'll love her no matter what happens, because he thinks he can't be with her. That's the main point here for Clark. He believes he can't be with her without her dying or getting hurt physically. He'll never get the imagine for her laying there dead and the blood on his hands out of his head. That imagine is imprinted in Clark's mind and every time he sees her, he sees that, imo.

[uncsuperman]

damn......i would tell Lana everything

i mean EVERYTHING - maybe that would be the wrong thing to do, maybe it would be the only righ thing to do....i dunno

but if you tell her EVERYTHING, then she'll understand why you've been hiding for so long, that it was all for her, for her protection.

and she'll understand that Lex is pure evil, and that she MUST stay away from him

then they can live happily ever after in Smallville universe

[myankskent]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
He said he'll love her no matter what happens, because he thinks he can't be with her. That's the main point here for Clark. He believes he can't be with her without her dying or getting hurt physically. He'll never get the imagine for her laying there dead and the blood on his hands out of his head. That imagine is imprinted in Clark's mind and every time he sees her, he sees that, imo.

As I've stated in another thread, or maybe this one, I can't remember, the idea that Clark can't be with Lana because it puts Lana in danger is ridiculous. SHE IS IN DANGER EVERY EPISODE!!! Everyone in Clark's life is in danger as long as this show continues. I really don't like how they are setting up the end of Clark and Lana. They are not only dragging it out, but their relationship might very well be the biggest waste of time in television history if it goes down with Clark not being able to tell Lana the truth.

[SmallvilleMan]

As I've stated in another thread, or maybe this one, I can't remember, the idea that Clark can't be with Lana because it puts Lana in danger is ridiculous. SHE IS IN DANGER EVERY EPISODE!!! Everyone in Clark's life is in danger as long as this show continues. I really don't like how they are setting up the end of Clark and Lana. They are not only dragging it out, but their relationship might very well be the biggest waste of time in television history if it goes down with Clark not being able to tell Lana the truth.

Not Clark it isn't ridiculous. Not to mention you have to remember two things:

1. She not knowing the secret, protects her from Lex coming after her, like he did in reckoning.

2. Clark has her blood on his hands and will never forget it.

The second one might be as important as the first.

[ma200]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
1. She not knowing the secret, protects her from Lex coming after her, like he did in reckoning.


Lex came after her in both timelines. And Lana died in car crash in the first timeline and she almost died in the second since Clark saved her at the last minute. So...yeah, him telling her the truth did not cause her to die and keeping it from her certainly does not protect her from Lex comin' after her since he's gonna come after her one way or another.


Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
2. Clark has her blood on his hands and will never forget it.


So he still believes that him telling her the truth caused her death. What a load of crock. BDA he is.

[Supercanuck]

I don't want to sound cruel but:

Those lines, to me, sound like the nice way of saying

Na Na Na Na
Na Na Na Na
Hey Hey Hey
Goodbye.....

Maybe I'm wrong, but that walk said it all.

[abarsami]

Originally posted by Supercanuck
I don't want to sound cruel but:

Those lines, to me, sound like the nice way of saying

Na Na Na Na
Na Na Na Na
Hey Hey Hey
Goodbye.....

Maybe I'm wrong, but that walk said it all.

Exactly... beautifully saying ... goodbye Clana.

[photogirl]

The way he said it almost felt like he had to say it, like it was just something that is, and he is too confused about lana to change how he feels, or admit to his feelings.

[umm]

The saying: ´I have always loved you and I always will´, is never a good thing to hear! It usualy means a deffinite break-up is in the near future, if not right away, so there won´t be any Clana in the season 6., that´s for sure!

[jaime,oburg]

Clark is starting to realize that love sometimes does not always conquer all as he is growing up. It isn't because his feelings for Lana weren't strong enough, he is just maturing and maybe his feelings towards love are maturing too. The obsession teenage puppy love stage is gone. They are both realizing this and are starting to accept that their worlds won't fall apart if they were not meant to be together. This realization is what made Lana so upset leaving the loft. She knows like everyone else Clana days are coming to an end.

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by myankskent
You have to understand something and all of the Chloe/Clark lovers need to understand this as well. The reason why Chloe and Clark work well at this point is because romantic feelings are not involved. If they were to ever put Clark and Chloe together at this point, it would not only be short lived, but it would destroy their whole friendship. If I was a Chloe/Clark fan, I wouldn't be hoping for any kind of romantic storyline for them.

Well...I might partially agree with this.

Except for totally different reasons.

I personally wouldn't want Chlark because I don't trust the writers to make them work like they should. I actually wouldn't trust the writers with a penny right now, 'cause all they'd do is try and make us believe it's supposed to be a dollar. But I digress...

The real point is that, at this juncture, I wouldn't doubt Chlark's ability to make things work as a couple. To me, they've already started to show more signs of what a true relationship is than any other couple has on the show (save Ma and Pa Kent, God rest his soul); they're completely open and honest with each other, they go to each other when they need help, they have a great friendship...I think the only base they haven't covered would be playing the kissy face "I love you, no I love YOU" game that Clana had down so well. I still see unresolved sexual tension between them, in brief spurts, but it's there.

And all that was horribly off the topic of the thread, but I felt I had to respond.


Now...for Clana...

Whoever said Clark was distancing himself from the relationship because it was going to end was absolutely spot-ON. It couldn't be any more obvious how he was feeling -- his tone of voice, the words he used -- it was almost as clear as him saying "I will always love you, BUT..." would've been. If they'd filmed the scene for two more seconds, he would've broken up with her. That's how I took it.

[Ares]

Woo for the last time already let this relationship end.. Its annoying.. Get something with Lana an Lex .. Or bring Sam Jones III back an make them be all lovey get married.. i dont care.. I just want it all to end.. Lets see more of Clark an Lois things ..

[Liriel]

We all know clark and Lana love each other and always will

See, that's what bugs me. He won't always love her. He thinks he will, but he won't. And that makes scenes where he says he'll always love her painful - and not a dramatically-satisfying painful either.

[lexs&os]

I know a lot of this has already been posted, it's just easier to repeat it than quote every post and say "agreed". The deliverence was blanked face, matter-of-fact and their's a lot of history between them, that it wouldn't be unusual for them to still love one another, just not be in love with one another anymore. Love is funny like that and I've seen it and experienced it in real life - how quickly one can realize that they are no longer "in love" but still love as a really good friend. Going back to SV land, especially in regards to Clark's situation - he's had to grow up quickly and it the death of a parent tends to make one reflect on the path that's currently being taken, sometimes it's a good reflection - right where I should be and other times it means things have to change kind of relection. Clark being the one to end things, is what needs to happen for Clana to finally be done - for Clark to finally move on.
As a side note, when Lana commented "we've gone 'round and 'round and can't move ahead...." I started laughing, thinking - gee maybe the writers do visit the boards -I've posted that before and read it a number of times before...

[Piiike]

did anyone notice Lex's theme music when Lana left the loft upset? big forshadowing

[jimmyolsenblues]

"Always will" is latin for "We can still be friends".

[Mydhrin]

K, ill give it a take after rechecking the scene.

Its obvious on Lanas part that she does love him deeply and that she wants it to work between them. But now, its all about Clark.

When she asked if he still loved her, Clark answered without hesitation. I take this as a sign that Clark never questionned his feelings for Lana, they were, are and always will be there. He answered:"I always loved you and i always will ... no matter what happens".

Now, there are 2 things that can be interpreted differently, the pause before the "no matter what happens" and the "no matter what happens" itself. Why did Clark pause before saying this? I believe it was to emphasize to Lana that he loves her and always will, but thats not all there is to it.

This is exaclty what the "no matter what happens" part indicates, that Clark loves her, always will, but that he CANT make it work. He knows something must be done and so does Lana, he knows what must be done and so does Lana, but he knows he CANT do it and that is the part that Lana cant understand and never will understand until he tells her.

Yes, Clark made a realization about his relationship with Lana, not that he doesnt lover her enough, not that his love his fading for her, but like others said, that he cant, actually wont, give her what she wants: himself.

Just before Lana talked about love, she asked why Clark cant tell his real feelings to her and he didnt answer. Of course, he cant say a thing because of his secret and this will surely always be the case and hes starting to realize this. He has finally realized for real what Chloe told him before, that that relationship wont work if he doesnt tell her. Lana loves Clark, the whole Clark, but Clark cant be Clark around Lana because of his secret.

EDIT:

I think that part of the reason Lana went away upset was exactly because of that. He loves her, yet he cant be himself with her and she cant see why. Clark knows this and this is what will bring him to end it with her, because even though he loves her, his secret is a wall between them. A little bit of rehash of season 3...

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
"Always will" is latin for "We can still be friends".

:lol:

That's great...

[271ingy]

Originally posted by xrayvision
When she ran out, I thought that signified that they broke up (instead of showing them say it verbally).


That's what I thought as well, so maybe there could be a flashback of the breakup in the next episode. On the other hand would it be an event that you 'do' by flashback? Either way I think the writers will do a good job at the final breakup because they pretty much blow at the romance side of clana.

[lexs&os]

I didn't know if it was because they broke up or if it was a realization of what was to come or what - I actually rewatched the scene a few times and couldn't get the walk out scene - I get she was walking out and get the slow-mo dramatic effect, but the pause and look to the side seemed kinda off to me - (of course I had my 15 month old climbing all over me and in-laws that wouldn't be quiet...so I wasn't in a very analytical state of mind....)

[mpowerd]

i saw it as being a visual dramatic moment. as she walked out alone silhouetted against the bright lighting, walking out of clark's "fortress" into the light of something else (lex?). i don't think it is a coincidence the 2 luthor's are moving into the space of the 2 main women in clark's life. the drama unfolds...

[Supergirl Jam]

When he said he loves her and always will blah blah blah...I noticed he said it without showing emotion in his face, like with no feeling at all. I guess he realized he does love her but he can't be with her because of his secrets that he won't tell her.

[myankskent]

We're all analyzing this scene too much. There is no closure yet for Lana and Clark so we should just wait to see how it all plays out. Looking at individual moments is pointless because we never know what message the writers are trying to send to us, I doubt even the writers know what they want to do at this point.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Mydhrin
This is exaclty what the "no matter what happens" part indicates, that Clark loves her, always will, but that he CANT make it work. He knows something must be done and so does Lana, he knows what must be done and so does Lana, but he knows he CANT do it and that is the part that Lana cant understand and never will understand until he tells her.

Yes, Clark made a realization about his relationship with Lana, not that he doesnt lover her enough, not that his love his fading for her, but like others said, that he cant, actually wont, give her what she wants: himself.



You can interpret this scene in a few ways, but I think this is the "correct" one. I was puzzled last week when they fought and Clark said... nothing. But after this, it makes more sense. Basically, after Reckoning, Clark decided that it is simply too dangerous for her to know his secret, period. He told Chloe as much when she tried to convince him that he could just stop her from being killed, that it didn't mean he had to keep lying to her. He said that there would always be someone coming after her for his secret. After that acknowledgement, he decided that he's not going back on that.

So, last week when they fought, as much as he would have wanted to make things better, any attempt to mollify her would only involve either a) more lies or b) a discussion leading towards his secret. No point in either, so he said nothing.

This week, he can see that she loves him, he knows that he loves her, but his decision stands. He can't tell her, and for her, not knowing all of him is never going to be enough. At this point, during this conversation, he can see the inevitable result of those two forces. So he tells her that he loves her, will always lover, no matter what happens. "What happens" will be the end of their relationship, because its inevitable under those circumstances, but he would rather she moved on and was out of danger than tell her. Argue the wisdom of that all you want, but that's the decision he's made, and this conversation shows that he knows what the inevitable result will be.

I don't think the slow-mo was them actually breaking up, but I think you could see on Lana's face that she knew what he was saying without him actually saying it. Remember, Lex told her that he didn't think Clark would EVER trust her with his secret. She didn't want to believe that, and she told Lex that, but I think the slow-mo look was her realization of the same inevitable fate of their relationship.

[k18]

Originally posted by Mydhrin
K, ill give it a take after rechecking the scene.

Its obvious on Lanas part that she does love him deeply and that she wants it to work between them. But now, its all about Clark.

When she asked if he still loved her, Clark answered without hesitation. I take this as a sign that Clark never questionned his feelings for Lana, they were, are and always will be there. He answered:"I always loved you and i always will ... no matter what happens".

Now, there are 2 things that can be interpreted differently, the pause before the "no matter what happens" and the "no matter what happens" itself. Why did Clark pause before saying this? I believe it was to emphasize to Lana that he loves her and always will, but thats not all there is to it.

This is exaclty what the "no matter what happens" part indicates, that Clark loves her, always will, but that he CANT make it work. He knows something must be done and so does Lana, he knows what must be done and so does Lana, but he knows he CANT do it and that is the part that Lana cant understand and never will understand until he tells her.

Yes, Clark made a realization about his relationship with Lana, not that he doesnt lover her enough, not that his love his fading for her, but like others said, that he cant, actually wont, give her what she wants: himself.

Just before Lana talked about love, she asked why Clark cant tell his real feelings to her and he didnt answer. Of course, he cant say a thing because of his secret and this will surely always be the case and hes starting to realize this. He has finally realized for real what Chloe told him before, that that relationship wont work if he doesnt tell her. Lana loves Clark, the whole Clark, but Clark cant be Clark around Lana because of his secret.

EDIT:

I think that part of the reason Lana went away upset was exactly because of that. He loves her, yet he cant be himself with her and she cant see why. Clark knows this and this is what will bring him to end it with her, because even though he loves her, his secret is a wall between them. A little bit of rehash of season 3...


EXACTLY! Couldn't say it better myself. Clark loves her and always will but the fact that he knows he can't make it work is why he is distancing himself from her. Some people think he meant that he loves her but not IN love with her, which I disagree with. He is IN love with her but knows the relationship can't work. Lana probably ran off because she knows they can't work and he probably said it too. There will most likely be closure to this relationship in the next episode and then it's dead. (romantic relationship is dead, but there is still hope for a good friendship!)

[superman8]

i think of it like this.... in all the loft scenes clark when lana walks down the stairs if she still likes him she'll look back if she doesn't she walks of. las night in cyborg she walked off...and didn't look back. as much as i love clana i think its almost over. and she refered to whene they were in love as the glory days. whink in ept means the good days are done and gone.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by myankskent
There is no closure yet for Lana and Clark so we should just wait to see how it all plays out.
I agree. No closure. No breakup. No change. The relationship is at the same place it was at the end of Hidden. The characters have made some progress, the relationship has made none. :rolleyes:

[smallville_fetish]

Yeah which is pissing off both sides, the Clana fans who get no Clana action/moments and the Clana haters who have to put up with the on-off marry go around angst.

I agree with Watching Smallville about the characters progressing, but the relation being on pause and repeat.

[smchic92]

Originally posted by Kefala323
When he leaves smallville in the comics, he takes Lana out to a field, doesn't say a word, just takes off in front of her and flies away. This really could be the setup for that kind of scenerio.


wow i just thought of something....what if in the very last ep. of the series, clark does that. i don't mean the very last scene, but the last scene between clark and lana. wow. that'd be really cool. at least i think so.

[God-Man]

Originally posted by shy175223
Pretty onimous words there! Notice he didn't say yes" I still love you" back. Ummm.

I was shocked that Clark unflinchingly professed his love for Lana. He rarely does that. From watching the scene, I felt that the show was planting the seeds for a permament breakup. I think that Clark is finally getting over Lana, and is ready to accept the fact that he will not spend the rest of her life with her. I still think it's ridiculous that he won't tell her his secret. They are going to break up becasuse Clark keeps his secret from Lana. Whether or not she knows the secret, Lana will always be a target for people who want to find out Clark's secret because she has a relationship with Clark in the first place. She is in danger because she knows Clark and maintains a relationship with him. Clark doesn't want Lana to know the secret because he is afraid of her dying like she did in "Reckoning". Yet he is still Lana's boyfriend. Maybe Clark is hoping against hope that Lana will get over the fact that Clark is keeping a secret. But as long as they are together, she will be in danger. I think Clark is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to A)keep his secret from Lana, and B) still maintain a relationship with her. But if he still refuses to tell Lana, then their relationship is over. And I think that Clark has come to that realization. I have said this a million times: If Clark and Lana are going to date, then Clark should tell Lana the truth. If he won't tell her, then they should be broken up permanently.

[kal-el_Girl]

WHY can't lana just accept clark as he is, she knows he's got secrets but don't we all?

clark needs to do something, he's getting on my nerves, but I'm still in love w/ him . *cries softly*
lana's on her way to lex's as we speak.
LOL

[cotton candy girl]

Lana shouldn't have to accept Clark lying to her.

Lois doesn't have to...why should she?

[Kal-El-Ottawa]

I found the selection of music interesting. I have a feeling that Lana is going to move on to Lex. This is a big mistake.

I would like to see Lana problem solve a little on her own. She must feel that Clark is not telling the truth. He is not telling her because he believes that she will die if he does. I would like to see Lana accept that Clark has secrets and to do some research as to why he won't tell her. I don't want to see Lana move on to someone else just because things have not worked with Clark.

It's the classic if it does not work out with Clark then I will find someone else. She has to see through Lex. I would like her to find out who Clark is by putting it all together by herself.

Maybe comparing notes with Lex but with the intent to help Clark. Why did she go to Lex at all? This is a huge mistake.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by kal-el_Girl
WHY can't lana just accept clark as he is, she knows he's got secrets but don't we all?

clark needs to do something, he's getting on my nerves, but I'm still in love w/ him . *cries softly*
lana's on her way to lex's as we speak.
LOL

Because the lies that Clark is telling are not small ones. He is hiding who he really is from her and she can see it. You can't have a successful relationship if you are hiding who you really are from the other person. Secrets are not bad as long as they are not significant.

[smoky]

If you told someone a secret & the same day they died because of the secret, if you could do it over again, would you tell them that secret?

[Liriel]

Originally posted by smoky
If you told someone a secret & the same day they died because of the secret, if you could do it over again, would you tell them that secret?

If you did it over again and they only didn't die because you knew the future, would you blame the secret?

Knowing or not knowing had no effect on Lana's death - only Clark's knowledge of what was going to happen to her did.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
"Always will" is latin for "We can still be friends".

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Lana shouldn't have to accept Clark lying to her.

Lois doesn't have to...why should she?

I agree Lana should not have to put up with Clark lying to her. I think she is finally accepting Clark is not going to be honest and she is coming to the realization that it is time to move on.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by smoky
If you told someone a secret & the same day they died because of the secret, if you could do it over again, would you tell them that secret?

Except she didn't die because of the secret, b/c the second time on her way to her impending death, she didn't even know the secret.

[Mydhrin]

The secret had no part in Lanas accident or not and the second time around proved it. The only thing that saved Lanas life was Clark stopping the bus and this couldve very well happen the first time around if he had knew. The secret was no factor in all of this...

[mobiusklein]

Lex found out that she knew because he knows that Lana would NEVER marry Clark if there were any more "secrets & Lies". Besides, I bet Clark finally got a clue that Lana's constant blathering about it was what tipped Lex off because she will always go "boohoo" about her past boyfriend to the backup boyfriend. Come on, Clark finally got a clue.

Her inability to face down Lex about the secret makes it all about the secret. She's a danger not only to herself but Clark as well.

[puddinpiester]

Whether or not Lana is/was in jeopardy because of Clark telling her his secret is not really the point. Clark's PERCEPTION is that the danger Lana is/was/could be in because of her knowledge of his secret is real. And that perception, right now, is dictating Clark's decision to not tell Lana. Often times, I think, one's perception of a situation has as much influence as, if not more than, the reality of the situation. Fear of heights for example. The height won't hurt you but you're afraid of it just the same. Of course, falling off that high thing could be a problem. But it is the fear of heights that keeps you close to the ground. At least for me. Until Clark comes up with a more reasonable or accurate perception of the reality of the situation, he won't tell Lana. She'll have to figure it out for herself unless someone other than Clark tells her.

[thedarknight]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Except she didn't die because of the secret, b/c the second time on her way to her impending death, she didn't even know the secret.


Thats not the point though. Clark said in the episode himself, someone will be watching her if they are together. If she finds out, Lex will know she knows, because Clark will tell her everything including Lex's many schemes to find out his secret. And once Lana breaks her friendship with Lex, no doubt Lex will do something very dastardly.

Clark is lying to her to protect her.

[happycamper]

I agree with all those who believe Clark still loves Lana, but will sacrifice their relationship - and his own happiness - to protect her.

It doesn't matter whether we viewers think it is ridiculous (although I'm not fully convinced it is, in any case), but it is what Clark believes, so he will act accordingly.

He is fully prepared to make his sacrifice, and will do so absent any action from Lana that forces his hand, such as her acceptance of him as is along with her professed unwillingness to allow him to leave her.

That's the basis of what I feel to be the tragedy, that he will actually give up Lana because he loves her so much. In turn, Lana feels rejected, and cannot find it within herself to stay, despite loving him so deeply herself.

Lots of anguish and pain, and (interested) unhappiness on the part of the viewers (at least for those who appreciate just how wonderful CLANA has been, should be, and might still become in an alternate universe).

[Old Juan]

The whole not telling her in order to protect her is fallous reasoning. Because as "Mortal" and even other episodes have shown us that Lana ends up in danger regardless of whether or not she knows Clarks secret. Ultimately its about trust in the person he tells being able to handle the secret and trusting the person to make the right decisions. Because if Clark truley believes that it was his secret alone that put Lana in danger then I'd have to say that it makes him a pretty cruddy person for telling Chloe because by that reasoning she's technically in the same boat as Lana was by Clark's reasoning. I can't see Clark knowingly put anybody in what he deems a dangerous situation. Not Lana, not Chloe.

[mpowerd]

make sense, obi wan, i mean old juan

[mallory]

The only ominous part is, "no matter what." The rest is a complete declaration of Clark's love for Lana. That love is about as deep as it comes: he sacrificed his relationship with her, so she could live. And she doesn't and can't even know it.

BTW, "loving" is a whole lot better than "being in love with."

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by Old Juan
The whole not telling her in order to protect her is fallous reasoning. Because as "Mortal" and even other episodes have shown us that Lana ends up in danger regardless of whether or not she knows Clarks secret. Ultimately its about trust in the person he tells being able to handle the secret and trusting the person to make the right decisions. Because if Clark truley believes that it was his secret alone that put Lana in danger then I'd have to say that it makes him a pretty cruddy person for telling Chloe because by that reasoning she's technically in the same boat as Lana was by Clark's reasoning. I can't see Clark knowingly put anybody in what he deems a dangerous situation. Not Lana, not Chloe.

Well said, Old Juan.

While maybe in earlier seasons I might've bought the idea of keeping his secret to protect those he cares about, it doesn't fly anymore. Like Old Juan said, he told Chloe -- he told Pete too, but they always seemed to get in trouble no matter what. Lana is the same way.

[unPTC]

I think this line was confusing to viewers because of the iciness with which it was delivered. This is an example of the marked change in Clark's attitude toward Lana since Reckoning --specifically the final loft scene in which he seemed devastated when Lana said she needed a break- which hasn't been adequately explained/revealed. It would be perfectly reasonable for him to feel numb towards her b/c everytime he looks at her he can't help thinking that in saving her he lost his father. Or is he trying to be detached b/c he feels the relationship is doomed? This could easily be done in a conversation with Chloe or Martha. To me, he is now genuinely detached...keeping his physical and emotional distance rather than trying to be ths way...It's a bit more clear why Lana is hanging in there, but why he is has not been explained well at all...other than, of course, to give a reason for a more catastrophic break up, but after 4.5 years of protracting this relationship with every angle examined by Clark, this just seems to be sloppy writing and a big fizzle...

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by Old Juan
Because if Clark truley believes that it was his secret alone that put Lana in danger then I'd have to say that it makes him a pretty cruddy person for telling Chloe because by that reasoning she's technically in the same boat as Lana was by Clark's reasoning.
I agree that Clark's "knowing the secret = increased danger" theory is fallacious. However, I'd have to disagree with the quoted statement. In the case of Chloe, she already knew Clark had superpowers. That piece of information is probably equally as dangerous as knowledge that Clark is an alien. Telling Chloe about being an alien doesn't put her in any more danger than she was in before Arrival, so there was no real benefit to keeping her in the dark about Clark's origins.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by unPTC
I think this line was confusing to viewers because of the iciness with which it was delivered. This is an example of the marked change in Clark's attitude toward Lana since Reckoning --specifically the final loft scene in which he seemed devastated when Lana said she needed a break- which hasn't been adequately explained/revealed. It would be perfectly reasonable for him to feel numb towards her b/c everytime he looks at her he can't help thinking that in saving her he lost his father. Or is he trying to be detached b/c he feels the relationship is doomed? This could easily be done in a conversation with Chloe or Martha. To me, he is now genuinely detached...keeping his physical and emotional distance rather than trying to be ths way...It's a bit more clear why Lana is hanging in there, but why he is has not been explained well at all...other than, of course, to give a reason for a more catastrophic break up, but after 4.5 years of protracting this relationship with every angle examined by Clark, this just seems to be sloppy writing and a big fizzle...


I think there are two unrelated things at work here. The first is Clark's attitude and the second is the writers' plans for the season.

First, with Clark's attitude - I think he made the decision in Reckoning that he could never tell Lana, period. He said as much to Chloe, when she tried to convince him that saving her the second time around didn't mean he had to keep lying to her. He dismissed that by saying that there would always be someone watching, waiting to exploit her knowing his secret. He made that decision at that point (cemented his earlier position really, since he's been wrestling with that for years) and has stuck to it - no matter what. He also realizes that this decision is probably going to result in the end of their relationship, given the way things have been going. Thus, you have the "I will always love you, no matter what happens" line. He realizes that not telling her the truth will drive her away, ultimately, but he is going to stick to that decision, come what may.

The second thing is the writers' plan for the season. I am not one of the writers, so I have no idea what that overall plan is. But I would just bet that they have a certain target "event" episode in mind, maybe around 17 or 18, that will be the end of their relationship (or this stage of their relationship, given the show's history). I don't know what is significant about that episode, or why that was chosen as the "end of the end" for them. But that's not for us to know. The point is that, with that out there in the future, all of the scenes between, say, Reckoning and that point are only designed to lead us along the path, not to provide any type of resolution to what's going on. Therefore, we get scenes like the two loft scenes from Tomb and Cyborg, that are terribly and needlessly abridged.

I mean, in either one of those conversations, all they had to do was stay in the same place for a little longer and one of two things would have happened - a) Lana would have finally laid down the ultimatum and gotten Clark to come clean with her, or b) Lana would have laid down the same ultimatum and he would have told her that he can't tell her no matter what, and they break up. The fact that she just walks out - when she is the one wanting greater communication between them - is a disservice to her character, and a silly writing ploy to string things along towards that "event".

I think she is prepared for whatever is to come, but in reality the way it would go in any normal relationship would be for her to sit down on the couch and refuse to leave until there was some resolution - for better or worse. But since we can't have resolution - yet - we get her walking out. It's a shame, because it's a contrivance that makes no sense and, like I said, is a disservice to her character.

[Watching Smallville]

The frustration I'm having is that there is no longer a valid reason for Clark to keep the secret from Lana unless he doesn't trust her to resist Lex's attempts to discover the truth. Chloe knows the truth, Martha knows the truth, Jonathan and Pete knew -- and other FOTWs who have seen Clark at work know the truth, and would probably glady tell Lex. People Clark cares about are all in danger from Lex, if Lex decides to pursue them. So what makes Lana different? That he loves her? He loves his mom. He loves Chloe as a friend. Either the writing has just failed miserably on this point, or Clark doesn't trust Lana's relationship with Lex -- which doesn't say much for Clark or Lana, given the situation with everyone else. It's very lame, at this point, for them to keep making this secret an issue.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
The frustration I'm having is that there is no longer a valid reason for Clark to keep the secret from Lana unless he doesn't trust her to resist Lex's attempts to discover the truth. Chloe knows the truth, Martha knows the truth, Jonathan and Pete knew -- and other FOTWs who have seen Clark at work know the truth, and would probably glady tell Lex. People Clark cares about are all in danger from Lex, if Lex decides to pursue them. So what makes Lana different? That he loves her? He loves his mom. He loves Chloe as a friend. Either the writing has just failed miserably on this point, or Clark doesn't trust Lana's relationship with Lex. That's the only thing I can see that would keep him from telling her. It's very lame, at this point, for them to keep making this secret an issue.

Completely agree. The *presumed* reason is that he doesn't trust her growing relationship with Lex - but again, who's fault is that? Telling Lana the truth would also entail filling her in on all of the nefarious activities that Lex has been up to. She may have been growing closer to him, and starting to trust him, but given their past it wouldn't be a huge leap for her to believe that Lex is capable of some pretty despicable things. One conversation about Lex and Victor Stone would probably do the trick.

If she doesn't know all of these things, and Clark doesnt trust her because of it, that's only his fault since he hasn't filled her in. Chloe is less at-risk from Lex because she knows just what a snake he is ("I've seen his scales") and can try to steer clear of him. Lana has no real idea and has no real reason at this point to stay clear of him, putting her right in his sights. But that's Clark's fault for not trusting her in the first place.

The thing that is confusing to me is what we are supposed to get from Clarks' actions? Are we supposed to think he is making the right call by cutting her out? Is that supposed to be the noble thing to do? Because right now it seems like a complete contrivance to usher in the new Lex/Lana relationship - which is doomed from the start anyway. Is it supposed to be the "noble" choice to shun the people you love, place zero faith or trust in them, and cut them out of your life? If so, then that is a complete disservice to Lana's character, and a stupid call for Clark's character.

[Daphne]

Originally posted by Sayzak
He clearly sees the bigger picture now. She can never take advantage of him again because he can't/won't bring himself to obsess over Lana. When has Lana ever NOT been desired by someone? She's got Lex. This is how Clark will know that Lana is not the one, when she turns to Lex for comfort and security. When Lex is the one obsessing over Lana. And that Lana doesn't actually love Clark, she loves herself.

So ironic... until my dad died 9 days ago I was still obsessing over my ex girlfriend too. Now I'm not. At all.

I had to read it a few times before I realized what you said. I am so sorry to hear about your dad. Well wishes your way.

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by k18
I have a feeling that she will find out soon after they're broken up but will remain friends. I really hope they break up on mutual terms and can still be good friends, like in the comics. Lexana will probably last to the end of the season.
Lana heats up in two episodes when she kisses Lex. I am hoping it is manipulation by Lana on Lex for a change. It would be the perfect time to finally strengthen her character and would give her a huge new storyline beside object of desire. TPTB claim Clana will be a bittersweet ending and so far we are only seeing the bitter.

[unPTC]

Originally posted by jwoodie
I think there are two unrelated things at work here. The first is Clark's attitude and the second is the writers' plans for the season.

This is my point...they shouldn't be unrelated! The writers plans are why we don't have Victor or Clark letting Lana know about Lex's role when in SV seasons 1-3, such a lapse wouldn't have happened or would have been addressed. Rather than find a more creative route to Lexana, they have Lana improbably thinking highly of Lex when there's been very little case built for her to do so.
My original point is that Clark's attitude change towards Lana is such a dramatic shift that really should be given some explanation. The story went from the why aren't we having sex obsession to there being a force field between them. And Clark is not even feigning interest in getting close to Lana which he always did before. Indeed, he looks annoyed almost every time they're in a scene where such intimacy might come into play. My point is that all their issues that came to a head in Reckoning have been swept aside, ignored...they shouldn't be back together in any sense with no discussion, when the whole Clana bit has been so painfully drawn out for years....

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by unPTC
This is my point...they shouldn't be unrelated! The writers plans are why we don't have Victor or Clark letting Lana know about Lex's role when in SV seasons 1-3, such a lapse wouldn't have happened or would have been addressed. Rather than find a more creative route to Lexana, they have Lana improbably thinking highly of Lex when there's been very little case built for her to do so.
My original point is that Clark's attitude change towards Lana is

Again, I agree completely. I'm not even arguing with your case here. And I'm not saying that it's a good thing they are doing here, that just seems to be how it is being handled.

There's at least a dozen more-plausible ways for this relationship to go, but they're just not doing that. That's why I say they must have this target in mind - probably Lana hooking up with Lex. How implausible is that? Pretty implausible in my opinion. If you think of all the things that have to be ignored (ie. that Lana has to either actively ignore or be completely unaware of) for that to make sense, that list is long and distinguished.

So, the only way to make that in *any way* plausible, is to cut short all of these conversations. It has the effect of driving a further wedge between them and keeping her in the dark - both of which lead towards Lex. But it's so unnatural in terms of a real relationship that it makes the whole Lex/Lana thing that much more contrived. These abridged conversations have always been a hallmark of Smallville - you always get the impression that Clark and Lana *never* talk except for what is shown on-screen - but here they're willfully cutting out even the most basic of dialogue in a contrived attempt to reach that future goal of putting Lex and Lana together. Not good, and a serious disservice to both Clark and Lana.

I think its possible to imagine Clark and Lana having a very healthy relationship and *still* not ending up together. No more secrets, no more lies. If they wanted to honor this relationship that they've built up for 4+ years, and the fans that follow it, there's any number of ways to go about that. But that just doesn't appear to be in the cards, at least for this season.

[unPTC]

Abridged conversations...good way to describe the Clark and Lana conversations...I think Lex and Lana had been planned from the start of the series with hints dropped every now and then, with a big one in Legacy when Lex eggs Lana on to consider that Clark may never change...that was when Lana's Lex blinders first became so obvious and hard to take...the last few episodes of S3 provided a lot of foreshadowing of where these relationships were heading...in between then and now. however, the writing has just gotten so sloppy...why they bothered to have Lana pissy towards Lex at the beginning of this season and then suddenly switch that off is beyond me...And of course they could not do a reveal of the secret and have it stick b/c that's something they're saving for the end of the series, or at least Lana's role on the series...Now they have freed up Lana to learn Clark's secret in some other way...and I'm certain it won't be him telling her...that will not be redone...I recently watched "Witness" again. The scene when Lana lets her recently discovered father go so he can save his marriage was the kind of self-sacrifice I always assumed would be replayed when she and Clark parted..but that's when there was some consistency in the writing of her character...when it looked like she would always struggle between her legitimate needs for intimacy and doing the right thing...I'm willing to wait and see what happens with the Lex, but the way it's been written so far, I'm not too hopeful.

[Old Juan]

I agree that Clark's "knowing the secret = increased danger" theory is fallacious. However, I'd have to disagree with the quoted statement. In the case of Chloe, she already knew Clark had superpowers. That piece of information is probably equally as dangerous as knowledge that Clark is an alien. Telling Chloe about being an alien doesn't put her in any more danger than she was in before Arrival, so there was no real benefit to keeping her in the dark about Clark's origins.

Yeah but the show has shown that one of the primary factors in Clark keeping the secret from her for so long was the "percieved dangers" on Clark's part of the person knowing. Look at what happend to Pete in season three. What happened with Pete was what stopped him from telling her in season three. Actually I'd say that Clark's alien heritage would put Chloe in more danger than just knowing Clark has superpowers. Heck all the incidents that have happened in Smallville have given rise the notion of superpowered or mutated people. This really wouldn't make Chloe's knowing only of Clark having superpowers that valuable in and of itself. But knowing that Clark is an alien is a completely different matter. If Clark truely believed the knowledge itself was too dangerous to know, this logic should apply to all the people that he could in theory tell but didn't because of this concern. With his parents he had no choice because they found him but with Pete, Chloe, and Lana he did/does.

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by Old Juan
Actually I'd say that Clark's alien heritage would put Chloe in more danger than just knowing Clark has superpowers. Heck all the incidents that have happened in Smallville have given rise the notion of superpowered or mutated people. This really wouldn't make Chloe's knowing only of Clark having superpowers that valuable in and of itself. But knowing that Clark is an alien is a completely different matter.
Knowledge of Clark's powers is extremely valuable. Rogue showed us that someone with knowledge of Clark's powers (Phelan in this case) can blackmail Clark to do what they want. In Mortal, the Kents and Lana were put in danger because Lex wanted evidence of Clark's powers. That episode also showed us (along with the 33.1 project from Jinx) that there was an interest in experimenting on meteor mutants. Heck, even Ryan was subject to Garner's experimentation at Summerholt even though he was just a human boy with a brain tumor.

The only way knowing Clark is an alien puts someone in more danger is if the person is interrogated, spills the beans about Clark's abilities, but can't convince the interrogator that s/he isn't withholding more information.

[SnarkMasterJ]

I took Old Juan to be referring to Chloe's knowledge of Clark's abilities, not just Joe Bloggs on the street, which was the case with Phalen. I would of course agree that the basic knowledge of powers/abilities is very valuable, and dangerous as well.

[I am the Superman]

Im sick of the writers not letting this relationship have wheels. From season 1-5 weve seen clark and lana almost get together, after s3 they needed to either let it flourish or let it crumble, and have done neither since. In the context of this show, clark and lana are PERFECT for each other and should be allowed to be together. Even until the end of the show, this is smallville and he isnt superman YET. I personally think they should have lana be with clark in this universe, screw lois.

[Sweetie]

Originally posted by I am the Superman
Im sick of the writers not letting this relationship have wheels. From season 1-5 weve seen clark and lana almost get together, after s3 they needed to either let it flourish or let it crumble, and have done neither since. In the context of this show, clark and lana are PERFECT for each other and should be allowed to be together. Even until the end of the show, this is smallville and he isnt superman YET. I personally think they should have lana be with clark in this universe, screw lois.


Clark can never become superman if he stay with Lana.She's the maine raison why he didn't accept his kryptonian heritage.He could become the superhero sooner if he wasn't after her all the time.Lana & Clark could never work.They tried and tried again,they keep breaking up and they come back for more.Reminds me too much as a couple on a soap opera.When a relationship is going so wrong it's because it's not meant to be.When Clark will tell Lana the big secret(he will),it will be the end of this crazy rollercoaster ride.Forget about Reckoning,her reaction won't be the same for sure.

[GooN]

Here's my two pennies (London baby).

Clark wanting to protect Lana is stupid, cos of many of the reasons people have already said, especially him coming clean would include how lex is a bad bad man.

I can BUY the whole, him saving her caused her dad to die, and now she is too painful to be around, cos thats a touchy subject.....but he knew someone close to him was gonna die BECAUSE of jor-el....so someone else dying cos of him shouldnt be an issue, life for a life you know?

As for this scene which has been analysed more than JFK gettin shot......you won't know what to expect, the writers can either be really stupid, or really dumb about how to continue with this cos they left it at a good point...neither would suprise me.

I think pressure+money+whatever are making the writers decisions on how they develop their characters and the storyline clouded. They should remember what they set out to do when they first started with this series....and if they just makin it up as they go along, well, that can and HAS been dangerous. sort it out.

[shy175223]

^Two pennies well spent, I'd say.^

[TackleDummy8]

Originally posted by Sweetie
Clark can never become superman if he stay with Lana.She's the maine raison why he didn't accept his kryptonian heritage.He could become the superhero sooner if he wasn't after her all the time.Lana & Clark could never work.They tried and tried again,they keep breaking up and they come back for more.Reminds me too much as a couple on a soap opera.When a relationship is going so wrong it's because it's not meant to be.When Clark will tell Lana the big secret(he will),it will be the end of this crazy rollercoaster ride.Forget about Reckoning,her reaction won't be the same for sure.



I'm not sure,and I'm not saying this is a spolier, but my friend reads the comics and he told me that she eventually figures it out on her own.

[shy175223]

Well, this definitely not the comics in this version. In some versions he eventually tellls her but in this universe which is Almiles's version it remains to be seen IF he will ever tell her.

[TackleDummy8]

oh, the smallville series doesn't follow the comics?

[shy175223]

not at least not this version as what I'm told.

[TackleDummy8]

oh, so lana and pete won't get married?

[shy175223]

nah at least I don't think so. Hard to tell with Almiles though.

[TackleDummy8]

I'd be pretty upset if they did. I've always expected chloe and pete to end up.

[shy175223]

yeah, that would very cool to see Chloe have a happy ending no matter if it was Pete or someone else.

[TackleDummy8]

Yeah i said in another thread that at first i didn't really like her, but as i rewatch the seasons, im starting to grow fond of her.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by TackleDummy8
oh, the smallville series doesn't follow the comics?
In some things yes, in others, no.

[TackleDummy8]

What do you mean? Can you give me an example?

[sid8810]

Its great to see the crumbling of the never ending epic of Clana ...ive waited patiently for my lois to step on the scene and hopefully these exec producers will finally realise that lois is the one that needs the attention more now. Clark more a less said it in Cyborg about lana so things are looking bleak for the Clana fanatics

It has to be said Lana still looks the same as she did when she first started but she can act good on the other hand she can make one of the meaniest faces when shes angry. Going back to Cyborg ...i wasnt too happy to see Cyborg played by that dude ...i would have prefered someone like Aqua man (similar).

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by sid8810
Its great to see the crumbling of the never ending epic of Clana ...ive waited patiently for my lois to step on the scene and hopefully these exec producers will finally realise that lois is the one that needs the attention more now. Clark more a less said it in Cyborg about lana so things are looking bleak for the Clana fanatics

It has to be said Lana still looks the same as she did when she first started but she can act good on the other hand she can make one of the meaniest faces when shes angry. Going back to Cyborg ...i wasnt too happy to see Cyborg played by that dude ...i would have prefered someone like Aqua man (similar).

I not sure if I completely agree with the Lois portion of your post, but the Meanest faces remark is dead on. Oddly, there have been times where I've actually liked Lana this season (perhaps liked is not the right word.....more like....I have enjoyed some of the performances that KK has turned in as of late), but then....just like clockwork..... Lana has one of those pouty, angry, and supremely self rightous moments that make me just want to scream "Come on Clark!......Lex!.......Chloe!......Somebody.....An ybody! Just slap her!.....Get that angry pout off her face". I swear....I didn't think it could get any worse......but then came the "did you get that from a fortune cookie" remark.......and I was like....Damn, there's just no escaping this angry pink poutyness.........but hopefully....if a large number of us are lucky enough.....maybe we can escape the Clark/Lana hamster wheel that we have had to endure for the last season and a half (it seemed to have worked better the the first 3 seasons). Oh, I'm not saying that we will escape it completely.....can't expect to much from TPTB......but enough to make it bearable. At least the "I always will" remark showed that Clark's got a pair.

It makes me wonder if time will be kind to the memory of those two....but the more I watch the older episodes....the more I laugh my head off at those two. At least Clark was more noble and innocent in the first few seasons....now he's just an idiot with occasional moments of being noble.

Oh, and I also would have to disagree about Aquaman.....I thought the Cyborg guy turned in an awesome performance....unlike the Aquaman dude. At least that's my view.

[TackleDummy8]

Lois and Clark are too much like brother and sister to start having them move in towards each other. I get the hint from the two that there are feelings somewhere. If you watch blank, when shes in the loft and she says "whats your gut tell you about me" and he says "it tells me that we don't like each other very much" she had a weird expression like thats kind of what she wasn't expecting.

Overall, I think its too soon to start the Clois thing, so I'm sticking with Clana. Besides if you read the new spoilers, things get hectic!

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Black cat
His mother knows the secret too, yet he goes to Chloe for emotional support. And I don't mean about the sex thing, but about things he could have talked to his mother about. If Clark felt closer to Lana, just being in her presence would calm him. That's not the case, especially since he feels he can't tell her the secret. She's all "secrets and lies" anymore and he can't take it. He's pulling away.

Excellent Point.


Originally posted by myankskent
You have to understand something and all of the Chloe/Clark lovers need to understand this as well. The reason why Chloe and Clark work well at this point is because romantic feelings are not involved. If they were to ever put Clark and Chloe together at this point, it would not only be short lived, but it would destroy their whole friendship. If I was a Chloe/Clark fan, I wouldn't be hoping for any kind of romantic storyline for them.

Sorry, but that's not a given. As always (and I've always said it) it's in the creative talents of the writters. Who's to say it couldn't work out between the two, only to one day have Chloe's heritage kick in and force her to leave of her own accord.....or.....she does somehow die (God I hope not).....so I for one wish you wouldn't say that "we"....."need to understand". I've seen a lot of people who were just friends turn out exactly like you've described....but I've also seen just as many turn out great romantically.....as far as relationships go. Heck, even the ones that turned out spliting up were 50/50. Half the time they still remained good friends. I only hope that the writters can do a story that pleases me as a Chloe fan.....a story that justifiably pulls Chloe out of the picture, and pulls her cousin in.......after all...who better to walk in your footsteps than family.


Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Well...I might partially agree with this.

Except for totally different reasons.

I personally wouldn't want Chlark because I don't trust the writers to make them work like they should. I actually wouldn't trust the writers with a penny right now, 'cause all they'd do is try and make us believe it's supposed to be a dollar. But I digress...

The real point is that, at this juncture, I wouldn't doubt Chlark's ability to make things work as a couple. To me, they've already started to show more signs of what a true relationship is than any other couple has on the show (save Ma and Pa Kent, God rest his soul); they're completely open and honest with each other, they go to each other when they need help, they have a great friendship...I think the only base they haven't covered would be playing the kissy face "I love you, no I love YOU" game that Clana had down so well. I still see unresolved sexual tension between them, in brief spurts, but it's there.

And all that was horribly off the topic of the thread, but I felt I had to respond.


Now...for Clana...

Whoever said Clark was distancing himself from the relationship because it was going to end was absolutely spot-ON. It couldn't be any more obvious how he was feeling -- his tone of voice, the words he used -- it was almost as clear as him saying "I will always love you, BUT..." would've been. If they'd filmed the scene for two more seconds, he would've broken up with her. That's how I took it.

Now this makes more sense.......the only fear I do have about Chlark is whether the writters can make it work as good on a romantic level....somehow....I think they can.....but I have to be honest....I'd still be very nervous. It's ironic that each of the girls has something that the other desprately needs. Although, Chloe seems to be needing it less and less these days.......either that or she's just a trooper and carries on.....me....I think it's a little of both.....but definately more of the latter.

As far as Clana, I don't think it will ever truly be gone....but perhaps it will not be so forced, or pretentiously pink and rosey now......maybe just an occasional knod to what they once had......I sure hope so.....because I can live with that.

[TackleDummy8]

Well if you read the new spoilers, it shows that clark pulls away, so lana starts to drift towards lex, and in return, clark starts to realize what he's missing and heads right back down the same path.

[Indiago Child]

Did anyone pick up on the hint that the producers put at the end of the conversation that Clark had with Lana, in every other episode where Lana is upset that Clark wont open up to her, he either hears her crying, is upset himself or watches her leave from the loft.
This time however he didn’t, he even had his back to the window when she left, that and the fact that the camera slowed down as Lana left means it truly is the end of Clark and Lana!!!

[sid8810]

I dont see why clois cant start the ball rolling now but with little hints then increasing with clever storylines, the reason is im desperate to see Lois and Clark and i mean THIS Lois and Clark they just have this something that makes me want to watch it over and over i still watch some of the season4 dvd and its great especially facade,lucy,gone etc but this season im afraid has been a bit frustrating despite me enjoiying most episodes. I dont want to see clois start something right at the end of the show! ...i mean if it was up to me i would dedicate a whole 2 season to them two, with chloe in the background also the others. Season 5 has had very little Clois footage in my opinion i guess people will start to bring up that same old boring say "oooh the comic book dont do it that way" forget the bloody comic book if they kept following the comic book exactly word for word it would have been dead ages ago especially with US networks, This is smallville they have changed things before and rightly so as long as they keep the backbone of it . I dont see any harm in bringing Lois more on the mainstream doing more work with clark and the start of a TRUE great romance

im frustrated with the echelon .....although i love the god damn show!! i agree with all the opinions here too i respect it and understand everybody has their own taste and interest


Originally posted by CK&CK
I not sure if I completely agree with the Lois portion of your post, but the Meanest faces remark is dead on. Oddly, there have been times where I've actually liked Lana this season (perhaps liked is not the right word.....more like....I have enjoyed some of the performances that KK has turned in as of late), but then....just like clockwork..... Lana has one of those pouty, angry, and supremely self rightous moments that make me just want to scream "Come on Clark!......Lex!.......Chloe!......Somebody.....An ybody! Just slap her!.....Get that angry pout off her face". I swear....I didn't think it could get any worse......but then came the "did you get that from a fortune cookie" remark.......and I was like....Damn, there's just no escaping this angry pink poutyness.........but hopefully....if a large number of us are lucky enough.....maybe we can escape the Clark/Lana hamster wheel that we have had to endure for the last season and a half (it seemed to have worked better the the first 3 seasons). Oh, I'm not saying that we will escape it completely.....can't expect to much from TPTB......but enough to make it bearable. At least the "I always will" remark showed that Clark's got a pair.

It makes me wonder if time will be kind to the memory of those two....but the more I watch the older episodes....the more I laugh my head off at those two. At least Clark was more noble and innocent in the first few seasons....now he's just an idiot with occasional moments of being noble.

Oh, and I also would have to disagree about Aquaman.....I thought the Cyborg guy turned in an awesome performance....unlike the Aquaman dude. At least that's my view.

yes he was okay but i would have gone for a aquaman type build and looks, tan etc. I agree with you when i watch older episodes makes me laugh too (clana). Give Lois some credit lol

[shy175223]

Originally posted by sid8810
[B]I dont see why clois cant start the ball rolling now but with little hints then increasing with clever storylines, the reason is im desperate to see Lois and Clark and i mean THIS Lois and Clark they just have this something that makes me want to watch it over and over i still watch some of the season4 dvd and its great especially facade,lucy,gone etc but this season im afraid has been a bit frustrating despite me enjoiying most episodes. I dont want to see clois start something right at the end of the show! ...i mean if it was up to me i would dedicate a whole 2 season to them two, with chloe in the background also the others. Season 5 has had very little Clois footage in my opinion i guess people will start to bring up that same old boring say "oooh the comic book dont do it that way" forget the bloody comic book if they kept following the comic book exactly word for word it would have been dead ages ago especially with US networks, This is smallville they have changed things before and rightly so as long as they keep the backbone of it . I dont see any harm in bringing Lois more on the mainstream doing more work with clark and the start of a TRUE great romance

im frustrated with the echelon .....although i love the god damn show!! i agree with all the opinions here too i respect it and understand everybody has their own taste and interest.

What would be the point in bringing Clark and Lois together in SV.?? because there isn't ANY. I know that SV doesn't go by the comics book lore but what would be the point in bringiing them together at all. Lois is suppose fall in love with Superman first that Clark Kent. AS so many ppl have pointed it out it is too early for them to get together let alone start a romantic relationship comic book lore or not. For one thing these two ppl aren't exactly the ppl they are going to be yet! I would lilke them to first start being becoming the ppl they are destine to become maybe see other ppl before they get together in Metropolis. At least keep that part of the comic book lore alive . Maybe leaving a little foreshadowing and a bit a banter but that is as far it would go. I think during the next season we may get to see more Lois and Clark and how their relationship maybe turn in that of a close friendship. Than may somehow evolve into the TRUE romance that is well-known later in their lives.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by sid8810
I dont see why clois cant start the ball rolling now but with little hints then increasing with clever storylines, the reason is im desperate to see Lois and Clark and i mean THIS Lois and Clark they just have this something that makes me want to watch it over and over i still watch some of the season4 dvd and its great especially facade,lucy,gone etc but this season im afraid has been a bit frustrating despite me enjoiying most episodes. I dont want to see clois start something right at the end of the show! ...i mean if it was up to me i would dedicate a whole 2 season to them two, with chloe in the background also the others. Season 5 has had very little Clois footage in my opinion i guess people will start to bring up that same old boring say "oooh the comic book dont do it that way" forget the bloody comic book if they kept following the comic book exactly word for word it would have been dead ages ago especially with US networks, This is smallville they have changed things before and rightly so as long as they keep the backbone of it . I dont see any harm in bringing Lois more on the mainstream doing more work with clark and the start of a TRUE great romance

im frustrated with the echelon .....although i love the god damn show!! i agree with all the opinions here too i respect it and understand everybody has their own taste and interest



yes he was okay but i would have gone for a aquaman type build and looks, tan etc. I agree with you when i watch older episodes makes me laugh too (clana). Give Lois some credit lol



I hated Lois in her early episodes....but now that Erica has stopped playing her over the top (at least when compared to those first few intro episodes)....I've really grown to like her.....especially with her Cousin. And I can understand her fans wanting to see more of her......however, this is not really her time to be at the fore front.....especially with the excellent characters that they have and because of the mythology time line. It would make the future storyline very difficult and unbelievalbe...if not literally ludicrous in my opinion.

Now, a lot of us have to admit that regardless of whether she should be in Smallville or not......she has had some great moments.......but to me, this "Lois Now" thing, well, its like seeing Superman fans invade the second season of a show called Smallville and wanting Clark to become Superman already.....never mind that the show is about Smallville and is mostly tailored for fans of that chapter in Superboy's life. Hints and foreshadowing are perfectly fine to me......so long as they don't over due it.....like the end scene in Aquaman. In contrast, I loved the episode where Clark was talking about "ever loving anyone the same" and then Lois pulls up. That was subtle.....and very well played to me. Hinting and foreshadowing is great so long as they don't hit me over the head with a "Lois & Clark" 2 by 4.

I have to admit that I've never been a big Lois fan.....comics and most screen appearances (Big & Small)....mostly because of the following (and both these things are true with respect to me)

1. none of the Lois versions have ever been played (except for maybe Teri Hatcher) in quite as fun a way as Erica has played her(although again, I hated her over the top intro episodes in Season 4)......and then there's Lois' cousin (and this is due in great part to Allison's portrayl) who to me is the best Lois version ever......and is yet still different as a character as well.....She's more Lois than Lois...(except that Lois has a harder edge to her....which is one of Lois' strengths......I feel each cousin has there own strengths in addtion to the similarites they share).

2. I've always felt Supes and Lois looked too much a like....especially the hair. This always seemed quite boring to me. Erica is now Lois Lane to me....and yet she's not dark haired like Lois in the Comic book....which means her look is not that of the classic icon....but I think it's a really cool version however. Also, I've always really liked the difference between Superman and Supergirl....mostly the hair. I always felt they looked good together (not romantically...just physically).....This is another reason why I love the idea of Chlark. They have this look that I'm talking about. And they connect in that couple way.....even if they are not at the moment.....hell, even if they never are.

What I like about your post that is different from a lot of others is that you talk about what you would like to see happen or why you think it could happen. Now that I can respect.....heck...it even makes me wish for more Clois fore shadowing/bantering....for your sake. In contrast, I dislike posts that say things like "it will never happen on Smallville".....as if it was some absolute. Because it's up to DC , and to the writters. And so long as it doesn't go completely against the Mythology (Clark giving up his Superman destiny, Lex becoming permanently Good, or Clark and Lana just staying together "4-Eva").......I will believe that any countless number of storylines are possible. And this is why I hope that Clark's "I always will" comment means the final crumbling of Clark/Lana....because I would like to see the Superboy/Superman story just finally move along instead of Clark running around in circles......circles around Lana that is. Okay Clark....you got laid by the "once cheer leader/Coffee girl"......now GROW UP YOU DE-VIRGINIZED FOOL!........AND MOVE TOWARD YOUR DESTINY!.........you dumb Alien.

Sorry, just like my favorite Snarky little reporter.....I'm doing it yet again. But I am glad that Clark (with that line) is finally starting to not take any of Lana's crap......not that it was completely wrong in the beginning because Clark did at one point owe it to her....but now....If Lana doesn't want to accept the fact that he won't share his secrets....then she shouldn't put up with it and just leave. If this were real life......I think Lana would be such a fool.......if she could only have just let the secrets thing go or have accepted it......as well as just being there for him.......Clark would probably have let her in on the secret by now. But in this storyline.....she won't let it go......she wants to live by her rules.......So Clarkie.......I just hope you stick to yours.

[TackleDummy8]

I think the biggest reason he doesn't want to tell her is because he doesn't know how shes gonna react, in earlier episodes, she expresses her dislike for Meteor Freaks, because most try to kill her. Although, after Reckoning, clark knows how shes going to react, he just doesn't want her to know because of the iminant danger thats is going to follow her everywhere.

[sid8810]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CK&CK
I hated Lois in her early episodes....but now that Erica has stopped playing her over the top (at least when compared to those first few intro episodes)....I've really grown to like her.....especially with her Cousin. And I can understand her fans wanting to see more of her......however, this is not really her time to be at the fore front.....especially with the excellent characters that they have and because of the mythology time line. It would make the future storyline very difficult and unbelievalbe...if not literally ludicrous in my opinion.

Now, a lot of us have to admit that regardless of whether she should be in Smallville or not......she has had some great moments.......but to me, this "Lois Now" thing, well, its like seeing Superman fans invade the second season of a show called Smallville and wanting Clark to become Superman already.....never mind that the show is about Smallville and is mostly tailored for fans of that chapter in Superboy's life. Hints and foreshadowing are perfectly fine to me......so long as they don't over due it.....like the end scene in Aquaman. In contrast, I loved the episode where Clark was talking about "ever loving anyone the same" and then Lois pulls up. That was subtle.....and very well played to me. Hinting and foreshadowing is great so long as they don't hit me over the head with a "Lois & Clark" 2 by 4.

I have to admit that I've never been a big Lois fan.....comics and most screen appearances (Big & Small)....mostly because of the following (and both these things are true with respect to me)

1. none of the Lois versions have ever been played (except for maybe Teri Hatcher) in quite as fun a way as Erica has played her(although again, I hated her over the top intro episodes in Season 4)......and then there's Lois' cousin (and this is due in great part to Allison's portrayl) who to me is the best Lois version ever......and is yet still different as a character as well.....She's more Lois than Lois...(except that Lois has a harder edge to her....which is one of Lois' strengths......I feel each cousin has there own strengths in addtion to the similarites they share).

2. I've always felt Supes and Lois looked too much a like....especially the hair. This always seemed quite boring to me. Erica is now Lois Lane to me....and yet she's not dark haired like Lois in the Comic book....which means her look is not that of the classic icon....but I think it's a really cool version however. Also, I've always really liked the difference between Superman and Supergirl....mostly the hair. I always felt they looked good together (not romantically...just physically).....This is another reason why I love the idea of Chlark. They have this look that I'm talking about. And they connect in that couple way.....even if they are not at the moment.....hell, even if they never are.

What I like about your post that is different from a lot of others is that you talk about what you would like to see happen or why you think it could happen. Now that I can respect.....heck...it even makes me wish for more Clois fore shadowing/bantering....for your sake. In contrast, I dislike posts that say things like "it will never happen on Smallville".....as if it was some absolute. Because it's up to DC , and to the writters. And so long as it doesn't go completely against the Mythology (Clark giving up his Superman destiny, Lex becoming permanently Good, or Clark and Lana just staying together "4-Eva").......I will believe that any countless number of storylines are possible. And this is why I hope that Clark's "I always will" comment means the final crumbling of Clark/Lana....because I would like to see the Superboy/Superman story just finally move along instead of Clark running around in circles......circles around Lana that is. Okay Clark....you got laid by the "once cheer leader/Coffee girl"......now GROW UP YOU DE-VIRGINIZED FOOL!........AND MOVE TOWARD YOUR DESTINY!.........you dumb Alien.

Sorry, just like my favorite Snarky little reporter.....I'm doing it yet again. But I am glad that Clark (with that line) is finally starting to not take any of Lana's crap......not that it was completely wrong in the beginning because Clark did at one point owe it to her....but now....If Lana doesn't want to accept the fact that he won't share his secrets....then she shouldn't put up with it and just leave. If this were real life......I think Lana would be such a fool.......if she could only have just let the secrets thing go or have accepted it......as well as just being there for him.......Clark would probably have let her in on the secret by now. But in this storyline.....she won't let it go......she wants to live by her rules.......So Clarkie.......I just hope you stick to yours. [/

Thank you, i sometimes get carried away with my own ideas!, yes i agree with you when you said Erica plays Lois better than predecessors and there are a few superman fanatics who just want to see the mythology which is great i love all that but smallville was really never going to go all the way to superman stuff this is why i would love to see Lois and clark start things i mean feelings ...it doesnt necessarilly have to be in the daily planet or with superman ? they should alter it slightly because the chemistry is there for me and many fans out there ....just like how they did in season 4 with them hints. One of the other member on this forum was saying why i would want lois to be with clark this quick?? well im not saying i want it to happen at the click of the finger but gradually as long as the producers give me and other lois fans something to enjoy and not right at the end! lol In my opinion Lois and Clark is everything and i have to admit im a Clark Kent fan - i like him doing all the superpowers (Tom) No dean, or reeve - aaah cant beleve i said that!! forgive me superman ...Not too much interested in the blue leotard. As you said some people act like they know whats best "it will never happen" but you just dont know... who would have thought Mr Kent would die? Clark had both his parents in the superman adventures which just proves anything can happen ...Hopefully Lois and Clark please!!! we all have our own interests right?lol

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shy175223
[B]What would be the point in bringing Clark and Lois together in SV.?? because there isn't ANY. I know that SV doesn't go by the comics book lore but what would be the point in bringiing them together at all. Lois is suppose fall in love with Superman first that Clark Kent. AS so many ppl have pointed it out it is too early for them to get together let alone start a romantic relationship comic book lore or not. For one thing these two ppl aren't exactly the ppl they are going to be yet! I would lilke them to first start being becoming the ppl they are destine to become maybe see other ppl before they get together in Metropolis. At least keep that part of the comic book lore alive . Maybe leaving a little foreshadowing and a bit a banter but that is as far it would go. I think during the next season we may get to see more Lois and Clark and how their relationship maybe turn in that of a close friendship. Than may somehow evolve into the TRUE romance that is well-known later in their lives.

What would be the point? well thers many points its a whole new direction from the sam old Lana stuff and meteor freak storylines this way they have something to pull in the wider audience and ratings ...people always like a good romance and this Lois and Clark ....not any old people. I admit it i love the episodes when they are together bickering or hinting makes me want to watch it although i like everything else but as for too early them being to gether?? im saying start the feelings now slowly and continue it untill they love each other deep down over 2 seasons thats when he will be ready for daily planet forget all the superman stuff this is Clark kent in smallvile its a young adult kind of teeny sci fi so this would work and the writers are so far proving me right...otherwise they would have never started all the hints in exposed,lucy,aqua etc. If you think their relationship might evolve next season ...well all i can say is im a lot more relaxed after you said that because apart of me was worried especially after erica landed a main role on a us show it gives me hope ...why dont you just become a Clois fan like me ?? i get worreid you know especially nearing the end of smallville will i ever see Erica and Tom start something? - it will bug me forever. I really like those two.

[TackleDummy8]

crap bro can you summerize that? I don't want to read it all :(

[shy175223]

Originally posted by sid8810
If you think their relationship might evolve next season ...well all i can say is im a lot more relaxed after you said that[/B]

What I meant was that their relationship will evolve from a frienship stand point NOT the romantic It is still too early for that comic book lore or not.

[TackleDummy8]

Who's relationship? Clana? Lexana?

[shy175223]

Lois and Clark's of coarse!

[TackleDummy8]

Thats not happening in smallville. Thats way overbeat.

[sid8810]

you know im just getting fed up with this not happening stuff are you guys exec producers or something??? you want kryptonian sci fi crap go watch superman movies and watch everything ...trust me you will see lois and clark get close and closer. Tackle dummy whats crap??? my msg ? well it wasnt intended for you ...dont give me that common street "bro" stuff speak proper english

Whats with all this no in smallville regarding Lois and Clark?? why is it so against the bloody law??? just because she fell in love with superman??? ALSO there not exactly kindergarten now they are practically near the daily planet if it makes you guys feel any better ?? geeez - but saying that watch the superman film lois had feelings for clark before she met superman when reeve bought lana a ring, lois was jealous ...the lana character was played by Anette otool. I have to go to the Lois sections i dont know why i entered this part of the forum where people are so into the nitty gritty details of crap like its "its too early" , Clark hasnt become a man, they have not developed into Adults, - i mean that is way to geeky to focus on this kind of things . yeah dont get me wrong im into all the charcter changes as they mature but NOT that focused

[Theshadow129x]

Hey guys this is my first post haha didnt people get it though? Lana asked clark why he always hides his feelings when she was talking about the football games. and she thought that perhaps he was also hiding his feelings about how he really felt. its hard to really believe someone that lies all the time about whats going on with them.

[TackleDummy8]

welcome to ksite.

and don't tell me how to speak sid.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by sid8810
you know im just getting fed up with this not happening stuff are you guys exec producers or something??? you want kryptonian sci fi crap go watch superman movies and watch everything ...trust me you will see lois and clark get close and closer. Tackle dummy whats crap??? my msg ? well it wasnt intended for you ...dont give me that common street "bro" stuff speak proper english

Whats with all this no in smallville regarding Lois and Clark?? why is it so against the bloody law??? just because she fell in love with superman??? ALSO there not exactly kindergarten now they are practically near the daily planet if it makes you guys feel any better ?? geeez - but saying that watch the superman film lois had feelings for clark before she met superman when reeve bought lana a ring, lois was jealous ...the lana character was played by Anette otool. I have to go to the Lois sections i dont know why i entered this part of the forum where people are so into the nitty gritty details of crap like its "its too early" , Clark hasnt become a man, they have not developed into Adults, - i mean that is way to geeky to focus on this kind of things . yeah dont get me wrong im into all the charcter changes as they mature but NOT that focused

I can understand how it's annoying when people say things are "not gonna happen" but they actually mean don't expect it to happen. There are things like flight that Al/Miles said won't happen, but look at how they went back on that.

But you have to remember that Lois likes Superman, not Clark (and I mean this as a romantic interest). She doesn't like Clark as a boyfriend/etc until before she gets married to Superman and he reveals his identity. This is universal in the Superman world and since this is a show based on Superman, they have to follow certain rules. Otherwise, they have no business using the names Clark Kent, Lex Luthor, Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Jonathan & Martha Kent, and Pete Ross on this show and should instead give them alternate generic names. They are bound to certain rules by DC Comics who owns most of the characters in this show (and kryptonite). Lois should have never met Clark in Smallville (or been in Smallville) since her character background (military father) and destiny (becoming a great reporter) don't mix in the Smallville environment (this is besides the fact that this never happened in the comics). Instead, they could have made her appear every once in a while to visit Chloe. Now, by having her there, her character can't be developed as it is supposed to be. They are trying to squeeze as much of his Superman life in Smallville, and it's not working with Lois. They already have Chloe who is like Lois, and she would be a good gf for Clark (if not her, I'm sure they can find someone else).

Without the comic-based mythology, this show would be crap (just another Dawson's Creek); just take a look at Season 4, which had little-to-none of it. This show is good because it takes those elements from the comics and adds the writers' own original twists (like Clark & Lex meeting in Smallville after he saved Lex, the Lionel Luthor character, the Chloe Sullivan character, and more). It also has some good drama with a lot of good acting (see Memoria, Shattered, Asylum, Onyx, and many others).

[TackleDummy8]

I agree with you on the acting episodes.As for the lois thing, as big of a clana fan i am, They could always have Clark Like her but just not have her like him in return. That would always be a possiblity.

[sid8810]

guys there's many people on this forum who dont see anything mortifying about Lois/Clark. I happen to be one of the first clois fans but regarding the whole superman stuff...regarding Lois okay she fancied him but she had inner feelings for Clark before she met superman -in one of the films Lois was getting jealous when clark but Lana(anette otool) a ring. Guys i respect your interest in the whole DC comics and how you dont prefer Clois, Also how shes "like Chloe" . My opinion chloe should move to write a book now and miles/gough should focus on clois with feelings growing for one another how they did with clana....i just don't wana see the show end without Erica/Tom have "great clois moments" as much as i love the powers/mythology ...nothing puts a smile on my face more than little tiny moments (clois)....imagine if the echelon gave more for us Pro Clois lobby ...i would be ecstatic. Lois can be fit in ....shes got the looks,personality etc, a few investigative episode s with clark would change all the negative views. DC comics is really p* me off. Guys were all smallville fans so lets understand each other...i have my interests just like you guys

By the way im sure in the new adventures Lois fancied Superman then he told her Clark is the one for her - which she knew deep down then she goes with clark and gets married. Then before she had amnesia Clark said Im Superman

Lois and Clark in smallville reaches out to wider audience a lot of people girls/guys on my street,work, all just talk with excitement regarding Lois/Clark - That is tecnically 70% of superman. 30 % is when his getting bad guys with that awful outfit! ...im sorry but i prefer smallville and the timezone "early years" how is developing when its only clark doing it his way with the superpowers. Gough/miles know deep down thats why the stuck with a show similar to a soap and no superman outfits,or disguise of the face those kinds of things put me off.

[sid8810]

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