Clark v Lex

[flcn6]

So, in the scene where Clark barges in to Lex's study (Lex needs to find better security :p ) was I the only one rooting for Lex? I mean, Clark barges in, and jsut accuses Lex. Duh, Clark. Learn some subtlety!

Comments?

[RedPhoenix23]

Sounds awesome! But alas, I still have another 26 minutes until showtime over here. *pouts*

[Domilicious]

Same old, same old...

[jimmyolsenblues]

I do not like Clark barging in to Lex's. I know they have to cut down on time, but I am sick of Clark just walking into Lex's den. Then expects lex and lionel not to barge in on the farm.

[Remus]

No wonder Lex goes all evil, everyone accusing him of things all the time... >>;

[ferd]

:lol:

Poor woobie, so misunderstood. :\

But yes, imagine that--having people barge in and demand answers from you all the time. No wonder he goes evil, he's already being accused of it, might as well have some fun with it.

[Rosey]

And Clark was right, was he not?

[SmallvilleFanBlue]

And another Lex denial of people's suspicion's against him. However, seems to happen frequently... HAHA

[MBCorp]

I thought it was incredibly stupid of Clark to reveal to Lex that he knew all about Victor. He's all suspicious of Lex, and yet he pretty much comes out and tells Lex that he knows all about Victor, therefore making it easy for Lex to surmise that Victor is at the Kent Farm. Yeah, great thinking there, Clark. :rolleyes:

[KryptonStones]

I thinkt hat Clark can sometimes be impulsive in his actions when pertaining to strong emotions about someone or something. I think we're all like that, well I know I am. If I'm upset at someone I tend to lose my temper and not think logically. I mean it was dumb, yes, but I don't believe we should jump on Clark Kent too much. But I believe Lex was right because I wouldn't like my friend, much less a former friend, barging into my home to accuse me of something.

I thinkt hat Clark can sometimes be impulsive in his actions when pertaining to strong emotions about someone or something. I think we're all like that, well I know I am. If I'm upset at someone I tend to lose my temper and not think logically. I mean it was dumb, yes, but I don't believe we should jump on Clark Kent too much. But I believe Lex was right because I wouldn't like my friend, much less a former friend, barging into my home to accuse me of something.

[Chlarker#1]

When Clark barged in, Clark said, "I haven't accused you of anything, Lex." And he hadn't.

[flcn6]

Originally posted by Chlarker#1
When Clark barged in, Clark said, "I haven't accused you of anything, Lex." And he hadn't.

Lex isnt stupid. Clark has only been showing up to accuse Lex of some misdeed. I cant remember the last time he went over there to ask for Lex's help. So yeah, Lex is going to think, now what? And with the tone of Clark's voice, Lex knew he was being accused.


But as it turns out, Lex knew all about it. Still, Clark shouldnt go barging into ppl's homes and accusing them of wrongdoings.

[MozartRequiem]

"And with the tone of Clark's voice, Lex knew he was being accused."

Yeah, like Lex said, "You didn't have to. You have that self-righteous tone in your voice". LOL That was great! :) Clark was right, but at the same time, Lex, in his own twisted way, had a point.

I like that Lex and Clark are really at odds because of their MORALS and not because of Lana. That's superb! Lana is just a side-factor, a character that adds to their tension, but doesn't catalyze it. I'm very glad they're taking this direction. I'd have hated it if their rift was caused by a love interest. That'd be too "Dawson's Creek" and not very Superman (love "Dawsons' Creek" but its an entirely different type of show!) :)

[j-kent]

we'll usually when they are accusing lex they're usually right so it's definite he was born evil not become

[-|loner|-]

clark accusing lex of lying : lana accusing clark of lying :: potato : potah-to

[flcn6]

Originally posted by -|loner|-
clark accusing lex of lying : lana accusing clark of lying :: potato : potah-to

Very true. But then the question arises, Is Clark being evil by with holding the truth from Lana? And if he isnt, then why is Lex evil?

[umm]

Originally posted by flcn6
So, in the scene where Clark barges in to Lex's study (Lex needs to find better security :p ) was I the only one rooting for Lex? I mean, Clark barges in, and jsut accuses Lex. Duh, Clark. Learn some subtlety!

Comments?

So what! he doesn´t waste time, and he was right wasn´t he? Please like I am going to feel sorry for Lex! That´s the least he deserves! Boo-hoo! Poor Lex!:o

[rumpuso]

I got a very strong Superman vs. 'Evil" Lex Luthor vibe last night. Lex is showing his hand now, and Clark is stepping up his game and calling him on it.

[EmtWarrior]

So he barged into Lex's mansion. So what. Clark was right wasn't he. Wasn't he! Lex would have turned Victor into a freaking drone. But we want to get mad at Clark for not knocking. Come on. You remember when Clark was the only one who beleived in Lex? When every one thought that he was no good. Even Clark's own father. Heck Clark was the one that suggested to Lana that Lex was just challenging her when he turned her down to rebuild the Talon. THAT is why Clark has virtually no patience for Lex. He caught lex investgating him twice, went nuts to find those stones, slaugtered a ton of marine life and let it happen so he could get a defense contract, tortured A.C. , and tried to turn Victor into a drone. Heck yeah he should barge in. Heck yeah he should accuse him. If anything we should be happy that Clark is taking the postion of "You don't get to mess with people's lives. Not on my watch!" And Clark was right anyway, if he had trusted Lex and just let him deal with it, Victor would be a souless machine.

[Ares]

bleh bleh bleh

[EmtWarrior]

Originally posted by Ares
bleh bleh bleh


I take it your a huge lex fan? lol

[SoulCystic]

i got the whole "why Lex hates Supes thing" last night. and you can kind of see that in many many comics. Supes always just walks right in. he has no respect for due process. He always expects to have Lex's undivided attention when he speaks. Very passive aggressive behavior. Or maybe not Passive agressive, but agressive aggressive but without the straight out violence.

It actually when you think about it, has been a consistent play to how their relationship is in the comics.

[flcn6]

Originally posted by SoulCystic
It actually when you think about it, has been a consistent play to how their relationship is in the comics.


True. What I'm having a problem with is that Clark is treating Lex like a criminal (Lex is, but anyway) but Clark still goes to Lex and expects Lex to tell him everything. Duh. If you treating Lex like your enemy, treat him like your enemy. Clark still expects Lex to tell him EVERYTHING that he is doing. How fair of a relationship is that?

[SoulCystic]

I don't know, I guess it is like gang / mafia mentality. You may be rivals but as long as you don't go too far over the line things are tense but not eruptive. But have you also noticed for every time Clark busts in and accuses there is a subsequent next move by Lex? Clark is helping push him to the dark side. not so in the first 2 seasons or so. Clark and the friendship held him back, now the lack of it pushes him further.

[Summers]

Originally posted by EmtWarrior
So he barged into Lex's mansion. So what. Clark was right wasn't he. Wasn't he! And Clark was right anyway, if he had trusted Lex and just let him deal with it, Victor would be a souless machine.

He was right this time. How about in "Fanatic" when he bold face wrong and "Exposed". There are countless times Clark has been wrong also. The writers decide when Lex does something about an experiment company we know nothing about until that episode occurs. It's so contrived. This is the very few he was right. I really didn't like the scene. I liked that they talked about things many of us has already said about bargeing in and accusing.

[tejdog1]

I'll root for Lex the whole way - I've been a fan of his since Season 1. This is Clark's fault. He deserves Lex as his enemy, GO LEX!

[MBCorp]

There have been alot of times in the past when Clark has stormed in the mansion yelling, "LEX!" in that accusing, self righteous tone, and then it turns out that Lex has nothing to do with what Clark's accusing him of. I like the fact that Lex actually calls Clark on this in this episode. They aren't friends now, why in the world does Clark think he can just waltz in any time of the day like he owns the place? I would love to see Lex call his guards out to throw Clark out of the mansion or say something like, "Clark, get the hell out of here and don't let me see you on my property again!" Lex is evil now, he doesn't have to pretend to like Clark anymore!

[greggbray]

Originally posted by KryptonStones
I thinkt hat Clark can sometimes be impulsive in his actions when pertaining to strong emotions about someone or something. I think we're all like that, well I know I am. If I'm upset at someone I tend to lose my temper and not think logically. I mean it was dumb, yes, but I don't believe we should jump on Clark Kent too much. But I believe Lex was right because I wouldn't like my friend, much less a former friend, barging into my home to accuse me of something.



I agree.

But...has anyone actually COUNTED the number of times Clark burst in with an accusation.

Now let's compare that to how many times Clark gave Lex the benefit of the doubt?

In all fairness, until the last episode of Season 3, Clark was rooting for Lex all the way.

In season 4, Clark and Lex temporarily made up. It wasn't really until Mortal, in Season 5, that Clark came in swinging.

So, yeah, Clark was misguided in the past by barging in so much, but compared to how many times he came in to help, I think it's a fair ratio.

I can imagine them on the shoot, though. Standing on the other side of the door in the Luthor Mansion. Tom asking, "How was my 'LEX!'?' Too much? A good variation? Does it read too season 4, episdoe 2?

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by EmtWarrior
So he barged into Lex's mansion. So what. Clark was right wasn't he. Wasn't he! Lex would have turned Victor into a freaking drone. But we want to get mad at Clark for not knocking. Come on. You remember when Clark was the only one who beleived in Lex? When every one thought that he was no good. Even Clark's own father. Heck Clark was the one that suggested to Lana that Lex was just challenging her when he turned her down to rebuild the Talon. THAT is why Clark has virtually no patience for Lex. He caught lex investgating him twice, went nuts to find those stones, slaugtered a ton of marine life and let it happen so he could get a defense contract, tortured A.C. , and tried to turn Victor into a drone. Heck yeah he should barge in. Heck yeah he should accuse him. If anything we should be happy that Clark is taking the postion of "You don't get to mess with people's lives. Not on my watch!" And Clark was right anyway, if he had trusted Lex and just let him deal with it, Victor would be a souless machine.

This was said perfectly. I have to say I don't get you Lex lovers. He's the bad guy, you know. It's one thing to love the actor, and quite another to love the character. I'd rather see Clark accuse Lex than to go behind his back. I absolutely loved the part when Lex said he'd pursue it and Clark said so will I. It was perfect, and about time Lex knows that Clark isn't going to stand by and watch him do wrongful things.

[SoulCystic]

I completely disagree. What was Clark's quote to Lex? "The ends always justify the means with you?" or something like that.

So just because Clark is right in the end means he can do whatever he wants to get there? Isn't that a dictator like attitude?

I think the genius of Smallville is that they try to show that Clark's actions aren't always "right". If you buy into the Superman is supremely good, then yeah I guess he can barge in wherever he wants to just to accuse.

But if this were the real world, I don't think anybody would want that to happen.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by All about Clark
This was said perfectly. I have to say I don't get you Lex lovers. He's the bad guy, you know. It's one thing to love the actor, and quite another to love the character. I'd rather see Clark accuse Lex than to go behind his back. I absolutely loved the part when Lex said he'd pursue it and Clark said so will I. It was perfect, and about time Lex knows that Clark isn't going to stand by and watch him do wrongful things.

Dude, I know Lex is the bad guy, but I still love him anyway. I find Lex to be one of the most complex and interesting characters on the show. You don't like him, fine. But don't be putting down other people for liking him.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"we'll usually when they are accusing lex they're usually right so it's definite he was born evil not become"

No, no, no! :) The entire show has been about Lex's becoming evil, whilst Clark becomes Super. I don't think that anyone is born evil. But then again, this is up for debate. You have an intriguing theory, but I think that Lex was one of the most heroic, admirable characters for the longest time. But you've seen the changing of Lex, the evolution. He wasn't evil all along. He became evil through years of abuse and neglect, and no one trusting him. All these things added up and pushed him further to the dark side. Usually, when Clark would accuse him, in the past, he'd be wrong. There's MANY occassions where Clark was WAY out of line (examples: In "Ryan" when Clark said, "Do you really care about him at all or is he just an intriguing experiment to you?" Lex: "I just spent the last twelve hours on the phone looking for doctors for his condition. What do you think?" Or in "Suspect" when Clark irrationally said, "Are you trying to frame my dad?" and Lex was doing nothing of the sort, or in "Legacy" when Clark overheard Lex talking to the FBI and accused him of breaking into his barn and home, when it was really Lionel, or in "Krypto" when Clark accused Lex of wrongdoing but Lex wasn't doing anything too wrong really, just experimenting; there's SO many examples I can't think of them all!)

[sari_chem]

I agree with Lex when he told Clark (I don't remember which ep) that Clark's days of barging in are over. They are not friends anymore...but Clark thinks that he can accuse Lex and Lex will give him full disclosure? No way. Of course, Clark's heart is always in the right place.

And the viewers love Lex because he is such a complex character. We don't condone his evil-doings, of course...but his character's evolution is so incredibly intriguing. He started off trying to be good, trying to get out from under his father's shadow. Now as this internal conflict progresses, the evil is winning out. So many factors of his descent to evil come into play. We see Lex lying, manipulating, intimidating, torturing would-be superheroes, supressing information. But then, he attends JK's funeral out of respect in an amazingly beautiful scene. He hasn't fallen completely yet...but he's almost there...so much so that even Lionel, the great and powerful MB, is scared of what Lex will become.

[insp henderson]

Originally posted by rumpuso
I got a very strong Superman vs. 'Evil" Lex Luthor vibe last night. Lex is showing his hand now, and Clark is stepping up his game and calling him on it.

me too





Originally posted by sari_chem
I agree with Lex when he told Clark (I don't remember which ep) that Clark's days of barging in are over. They are not friends anymore...but Clark thinks that he can accuse Lex and Lex will give him full disclosure? No way. Of course, Clark's heart is always in the right place.

And the viewers love Lex because he is such a complex character. We don't condone his evil-doings, of course...but his character's evolution is so incredibly intriguing. He started off trying to be good, trying to get out from under his father's shadow. Now as this internal conflict progresses, the evil is winning out. So many factors of his descent to evil come into play. We see Lex lying, manipulating, intimidating, torturing would-be superheroes, supressing information. But then, he attends JK's funeral out of respect in an amazingly beautiful scene. He hasn't fallen completely yet...but he's almost there...so much so that even Lionel, the great and powerful MB, is scared of what Lex will become.

Well said.

[LexLuv180]

Originally posted by Rosey
And Clark was right, was he not?

Yes but there's been as many times as when Clark has been wrong. Of course we never see him appologizing for it though. :rolleyes: I'd get aggrivated if someone just barged in and accused me of crap all the time too. Lex did make jokes about it before, but it's probably starting to grate him