Just keep on lying!!

[SVSpector]

Wow...Hit the nail on he head......

Lana: What is he just going to lie to her and hope she doesn't notice how different he is............................

Clark and Chloe....looks at each other ominously.....

[AnimeJoe]

IN b4 the 20 page Lana-bashing begins! ;) :]

[asparks]

She deserves to me lied to!

[loisnlana]

I love how Lana acknowledged the look Clark and Chloe gave eachother. Know she knows Chloe's in on it.

[SVSpector]

Not bashing Lana....if she can figure that out so quickly, she should be able to see whats right in front of her......

[Rosey]

Originally posted by loisnlana
I love how Lana acknowledged the look Clark and Chloe gave each other. Know she knows Chloe's in on it. I loved that look. She knows something's up. Maybe not exactly what, but something.

[chole_fan]

I agree. That look from Lana said alot. Even if she hasn't put it all together yet, she knows somethings up and I think she is starting to suspect that Chloe knows. Really, she would have to be the worlds most oblivious person to not notice something!

:lol:

[Lana_Lang #1]

No the world's most obvious person spot is reserved for future Lois.

Glasses and a hair change? Come On!

[joeybw]

She didnt question his quick exit out of the Talon but atleast she noticed it

[Vatusia]

I think Lana has become season-1 Lex. This isn't a bad thing. :D

[OutlawAngel]

Lana: What is he just going to lie to her and hope she doesn't notice how different he is....

Oh I laughed at that. I howled. There were tears in my eyes I asked Lana (yes I talk to the characters on tv)

'Yes Lana he does hope that and you prove that it is possible'

But really its obvious Lana knows something is different with Clark. You can tell she is trying to get it out of him in every conversatin she has with him.

[shinedown]

i loved that part so much i had to pause and replay. it was very expressive, and i love the fact that clark and chloe share something that lana doesnt know about. thats the one dynamic of their relationship that the shpw has been lacking and im glad it was expressed tonight

[sheltiemom]

I think I said duh at the screen. Lana is so out to lunch sometimes. I loved the looks between Chloe and Clark.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by Lana_Lang #1
No the world's most obvious person spot is reserved for future Lois.

Glasses and a hair change? Come On!

lol!! :lol: That is true!!

I felt bad for Lana. There at the end, Clark is watching what could (And what I think would) happen if he told Lana, and yet he keeps his stupid mouth shut. Round of applause please. :rolleyes: Does anyone else here think that Lana is at least suspicious of Clark? She didn't seem suprised when Clark supersped off to find Victor. I think that she is definatly suspicious of Clark at this point. :)

But I admit, I just laughed when Lana said that line. Oh the irony..... :D

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by OutlawAngel
Lana: What is he just going to lie to her and hope she doesn't notice how different he is....

Oh I laughed at that. I howled. There were tears in my eyes I asked Lana (yes I talk to the characters on tv)

'Yes Lana he does hope that and you prove that it is possible'

But really its obvious Lana knows something is different with Clark. You can tell she is trying to get it out of him in every conversatin she has with him.

Exactly!

[farmboy20]

i liked the look between chloe and clark too. chloe kind of looked like, "I'm not touching that one."

i think lana is starting to catch on because when clark sped off she just sighed and looked like "not again."

[BlueNRed2]

They really need to finish that arc up soon. Its really getting beyond old....more like ancient at this point. The 100th left me sour and every episode they drag it out just irritates me now.

The rest of the episode was awsome tho. And yes, that look Lana gave to Chloe and Clark said a lot.

[myankskent]

Everyone says that Lana and Clark will be over soon which I agree with, but does anyone think that maybe Lana and Chloe will be over as well when Lana finds out that Chloe has been keeping this secret from her too? I'm not a girl, but I do know that girls hate it when they keep secrets from each other, especially when a guy is involved. My guess is Lana will be angry at Chloe if she were to ever find out.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by myankskent
Everyone says that Lana and Clark will be over soon which I agree with, but does anyone think that maybe Lana and Chloe will be over as well when Lana finds out that Chloe has been keeping this secret from her too? I'm not a girl, but I do know that girls hate it when they keep secrets from each other, especially when a guy is involved. My guess is Lana will be angry at Chloe if she were to ever find out.

That's true. My theory is that they will just be ticked off at each other for a while, then Lana will wreck another car and they will realize how stupid they where for fighting over something Clark should have told Lana. :D Or it will just be one of those stupid grudges that girls have that last for all of an hour. :)

[dmb2718]

So Lana is becoming more and more suspicious exspecially in this episode, as everyone has seen. Do you think the show is moving towards "the reveal" (in whatever form it may come)? and do you think it will come this season? lol I'm a HUGE Clana fan if you cant tell.

[LuckyKrypto]

So is it going to take Lana telling Clark she knows for him to finally fess up about his abilities??

[BlueNRed2]

Personally, i think they will drag it out to the season 5 finale. Probably something like Clark using his powers against Zod, Brainiac or both in front of her.

Would be our luck that the final scene will show Lana's mortified face as the truth is revealed and we will have to wait forever to get closure...

[myankskent]

One things for certain, Lana will either find out about Clark on her own or Clark will be forced to use his powers in front of her. I really don't think they will set everything up the same way that they did in Reckoning, it will be handled differently and it will probably be a lot more complicated.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by myankskent
Everyone says that Lana and Clark will be over soon which I agree with, but does anyone think that maybe Lana and Chloe will be over as well when Lana finds out that Chloe has been keeping this secret from her too? I'm not a girl, but I do know that girls hate it when they keep secrets from each other, especially when a guy is involved. My guess is Lana will be angry at Chloe if she were to ever find out.

Maybe Lana will have Lex ship Chloe out to Belle Reve again.

[Smallville_addict88]

CLARK JUST TELL HER ALREADY ITS KILLING US ALL :eek:
so we know that the 2 won't end up together but do we really have to sit aound waiting for her to find out about him ..... guess so! j/k i know i'm being cliche but its actually worth the wait

[amberdawn]

^^ LOL xrayvision


One things for certain, Lana will either find out about Clark on her own or Clark will be forced to use his powers in front of her. I really don't think they will set everything up the same way that they did in Reckoning, it will be handled differently and it will probably be a lot more complicated.
Yep, as time passes this is how I see it playing out.

[Toppa]

Originally posted by joeybw
She didnt question his quick exit out of the Talon but atleast she noticed it

LOL I loved the resigned look on her face. Priceless.

[Happy Random]

She definatly has to know something. That reaction more or less proved it. I wonder if she will go to Chloe with her suspicions? And then Chloe will relize that Clark is being a big dumb moron in not trusting her and, being the awesome person that she is, persude him to tell her and then life would be good.:D Except that we still probably wouldn't have Clois. :\;)

[supercode]

She definantly knows something is up. Clark is such a moron. just because Lana died once when he told her his secret doesn't mean it will happen again,he could even help Lana take precautions to make sure it doesn't. Although I can't figure out how she died in the first place,Clark had a couple seconds advance notice( being able to run at mach 12 not fast enough Clark?)

[jdot]

Lana quite clearly knows that Clark's secrets have something to do with powers of some sort. After everything she's been through, especially in the last year, she's putting the pieces together and is slamming people upside the head with ANVILS that scream "JUST TELL ME ALREADY YOU BIG DUMB FARMBOY!"

In short, she's become Lana Lang from the old Superboy comic books. Which is actually kind of cool!

[sari_chem]

I love how Lana acknowledged the look Clark and Chloe gave each other. Know she knows Chloe's in on it.

I agree. From the look that Lana gave, it looks like she either figured out that Chloe knows, or she suspects that Chloe knows. Either way, that really wouldn't feel too good. Imagine the man who claims that you are the love of his life, has a secret and tells...his best friend and not you. Really sucks.

Clark, suck it up and tell her your secret already. If you really love her, stop torturing her!

[charmedchick]

Originally posted by SVSpector
Wow...Hit the nail on he head......

Lana: What is he just going to lie to her and hope she doesn't notice how different he is............................

Clark and Chloe....looks at each other ominously.....



Did you see lana looking at chloe and clark looking at each other when lana said that? Its so obvious that chloe knows Clark's secret and lana is just to dumb to notice. or she does and just too stupid to mention anything??

[Shalamarke]

Lana definitely acknowledged that the ominous silence following her remark meant something...

One thing I was thinking during this episode, which had so many references to this issue from the angle of "will Lana accept me if I tell her" is that the final reason in the end, as to why he will still not tell her, is because he truly believes she will come to harm if she knows.

He got over the idea that she wont accept him in Reckoning. He already knows that if he asked her to marry him, she would say YES!

Following the line of "will she accept me" is a waste of time and an insult to an intelligent audience.

I do still hope she will find out, and no, he won't likely tell her unless he is forced for some reason. She will find out "by accident" or from someone else.

Who knows... maybe Lionel will tell her. Safe secret my patootie.

[-|loner|-]

Originally posted by Shalamarke


Who knows... maybe Lionel will tell her. Safe secret my patootie.

funny you mention that. What if lionel already told lana and she has known clark's secret? This is the reason why she's so redundant and persistent in asking him. Think of it as a test for clark.

[LuckyKrypto]

I can totally see that.

Lana is much more patient then I think I would be ;)

[superman_115]

Lana knows somewhat, but she wants Clark to be honest with her, for if Clark is honest with her, then that would show Lana how much Clark trusts her and loves her.

However, since Clark hides that from Lana, it is only going to lead to them moving further apart.

[charmedchick]

For all we know. Lana might alread know his secret.. and like you said she wants to hear it from clark himself.

[ibecj83]

What i thought was really funny when she kept on saying *he cant keep lieing to her*.

It's not lieing, she thinks he's dead. he's not even talking to her.lol

And my friend brought up how it's funny when they turn to look for clark, they never go out and look in the hallway for him lol.

[Tomsgurl88]

OMG i was baggin up on how Chloe made that look soooo obvious!! She mine as well just tell her now! LOL

[lexs&os]

It was an amusing look Clark and Chloe shared and Lana's response was perfect. At this point, I don't think I want Clark to tell Lana - if she already knows - whatever, that's great - but I really don't want to see a Clana angst conversation regarding it anymore - Lana's line about "...we keep going 'round and 'round and never move foreward...." sums my feelings complety

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by lexs&os
- Lana's line about "...we keep going 'round and 'round and never move foreward...." sums my feelings complety

Exactly!!
I know it sums up mine
:rolleyes:

[Cookie 28]

Yea. Somebody please stop the merry go round. I want to get off now.l

[last man of krypton]

I wonder, did anyone else pick up on the lie Lana told?
"This guy ran out in front of my car, I didn't have time to brake".

a) Lana didn't see the guy run out. Looked to me like he was just casually walking across the road, oblivious to the road menace that is Lana. (3 episodes ago she almost ran into a schoolbus. You'd think she'd pay attention to the road)
b) Maybe she would've had time to brake if she wasn't so focused on her coffee.

[k18]

I think he did run out in front of the car, but even if he didn't, who cares? Just another attempt to blame Lana for "lies and secrets".

[Liriel]

He still came out in front of her without looking both ways though. She took her eyes off the road, but only for a second.

I think, morally, that Clark should tell Lana. I think Lana will accept him (we saw it) but that ultimately she wouldn't be able to handle his daily heroics.

From a viewer's perspective I don't care if Lana knows. Just please end this relationship. Preferably with them as friends (not particularly close or particularly casual) and not in love and not angsting and Lana not being "the one that got away."

[Miss L]

A big part of Clark not telling Lana now is the Lex factor. He's not going to tell Lana unless he feels she would be safe from Lex. Maybe he's just waiting for Lex to screw up so Lana sees the danger in being close to him. And I don't see this happening quite yet.

And yeah, I'm sure Lana has been putting pieces together, but because of the nature of their relationship, she can't seem to just confront Clark with what she suspects. We might be on the merry-go-round for a while. :rolleyes:

I really want to see Lana and Chloe start hashing this out. I still think it's weird that they don't seem to talk much to each other.

[Liriel]

A big part of Clark not telling Lana now is the Lex factor. He's not going to tell Lana unless he feels she would be safe from Lex. Maybe he's just waiting for Lex to screw up so Lana sees the danger in being close to him. And I don't see this happening quite yet.

See, that doens't make sense to me because in Reckoning events would have ended the same regardless of Lana's knowledge, if Clark hadn't know about the accident. Her knowing made no difference.

What Clark is doing is essentially letting her go into battle unarmed. He could at least tell Lana about some of Lex's more nefarious deeds (torturing AC, trying to put the chip in Victor, etc).


I really want to see Lana and Chloe start hashing this out. I still think it's weird that they don't seem to talk much to each other.
They've hardly ever talked to each other, even when they were living together the first time. I do not want to see Chloe tell Lana anything - it's not her place.

I don't know how close they really are these days. Chloe once regarded her as a sister, but they haven't been close since. And Lana's never regarded Chloe as family. They've been friends, but they've rarely opened up to each other.

I'd like to see more scenes like the traded glances between Clark and Chloe this ep and Lana noticing, so that Lana begins to suspect Chloe knows the truth.

Or catching Clark in lies - I assumed he was lying about having been at the DP with Chloe, and thought it might have been interesting if Lana caught him at it (because he didn't tell Chloe he was supposed to have been there, so she said something, etc.).

I thought they were going to play up the "best friend knows/girlfriend doesn't" theme, but they really haven't. Maybe towards the end of the season - it could be really great. We could either have a blow-out confrontation or Lana feeling betrayed and turning to Lex.

[Miss L]

Originally posted by Liriel
See, that doesn't make sense to me because in Reckoning events would have ended the same regardless of Lana's knowledge, if Clark hadn't know about the accident. Her knowing made no difference.

What Clark is doing is essentially letting her go into battle unarmed. He could at least tell Lana about some of Lex's more nefarious deeds (torturing AC, trying to put the chip in Victor, etc).

The difference between the 2 car chase scenes in Reckoning was Lana calling Clark and saying "I don't know how he knew I knew, but he knew..." That's what put Lana in danger, car accident or not. The car accident is a side point in the danger argument. Her knowing is what puts her at risk. Knowing Lana "knows" would make Lex amp up his manipulation of her, and put her in a very precarious situation.

Her not knowing makes her less of a target for Lex's curiosity. He won't hurt her if she doesn't know. He can't use her as leverage to get to Clark. He can manipulate her in to trying to get answers for him, but he can't squeeze out of her what she doesn't know.


They've hardly ever talked to each other, even when they were living together the first time. I do not want to see Chloe tell Lana anything - it's not her place.

I don't want to see Chloe tell Lana anything either. I agree that it's not her place. But Lana knows Chloe knows something. And Chloe is in a difficult position between Clark and Lana. Here are the 2 women Clark loves.... There's a conversation between them that is just waiting to happen. And it's weird that it hasn't happened yet. Maybe after the whole exchange of looks between Chloe and Clark and Lana taking note...maybe now is the right time.

[AnimeJoe]

Lana is basically Clark in Seasons 1 - 3..

i.e.- Good friends with Lex, she's heard about his past dealings but thinks he's different and isn't evil like his father is/was.

And despite what people told Clark about Lex, he chose to believe in him and see what kind of person he is for himself, and not be influenced by the opinions of others. I see Lana doing the exact same thing so I'm not going to fault her for acting pretty much the Exact same way Clark did the first 3 Seasons.. I'm glad Clark stood his ground and without saying it, basically told people to screw off and let him come to his own conclusions about Lex. That's the way it should be, and I think Lana deserves that same chance.

[Miss L]

I totally agree, AnimeJoe. I'm glad that Clark sees that Lana needs to come to her own conclusions about Lex. I think Clark sees more of the big picture now, and is making some decisions based on that.

[Jephael]

The funny thing about this whole storyline is that even if Lana doesn't ever find out, she could still be put in danger due to her relationship with Clark, AKA Superman.

[Liriel]

The difference between the 2 car chase scenes in Reckoning was Lana calling Clark and saying "I don't know how he knew I knew, but he knew..." That's what put Lana in danger, car accident or not. The car accident is a side point in the danger argument. Her knowing is what puts her at risk. Knowing Lana "knows" would make Lex amp up his manipulation of her, and put her in a very precarious situation.

I disagree. He chased her whether she knew or not. She was going to get hit by a bus, whether she knew or not.

If Lana knew the secret (and Clark told her about the stuff Lex did) then Lex wouldn't be able to manipulate her, because she'd know what he was really up to.

[puddinpiester]

I do not care if Lana finds out or not. I do not like how Lana has treated Clark over that past 4.5 seasons (collectively speaking, of course). Lana seems to want to be thought of as the sweet little selfless girl whose parents died when she was 3. She was three. How much can she remember about what it was like to have parents. I'm not saying that she didn't grow up missing the idea of parents, but she couldn't miss her parents per se. I know first hand that you can miss the idea of having, say a father or mother, but if you do not remember them personally, how could you miss them specifically? I am soooo sorry Lana's parents died. The world that is SV would be a better place had they lived. Lana needs to move on with her life and stop looking back all the time. I think Clark loves her unconditionally, at this point. I think Lana loves Clark as best she can, at this point. They both have issues they need to settle with themselves before they can settle their issues with other. I am ready for Superman. Not yet ready for Lois. I want to see the training, the emotional maturing, the learning, the maturation of Superman's caring personna and selfless ideals. Enough of the angst already.

[Miss L]

Originally posted by Liriel
I disagree. He chased her whether she knew or not. She was going to get hit by a bus, whether she knew or not.

If Lana knew the secret (and Clark told her about the stuff Lex did) then Lex wouldn't be able to manipulate her, because she'd know what he was really up to.

OK, yes, I agree that Lana would've been hit by the bus either way. I think it's Lex's reaction to suddenly realizing Lana must know Clark's secret that brings the point home for me that Lana is in more danger if she knows. That's why, for me, the bus crash is not the issue.

She couldn't hide it from Lex that she knew. And yes, I agree that she could be in more of a position of power if Clark came clean with her, but at the same time, her friendship with Lex complicates the issue. She hasn't figured out what Lex is truly capable of yet, so she's not ready to walk away from him even if she learns Clark's secret.

And yes, being associated with Clark puts her in danger, period. But there's a balance right now with her "friendship" with Lex and her not knowing: a balance that was tipped in that scene in Reckoning when Lex lost it when he realized she knew.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Liriel
I disagree. He chased her whether she knew or not. She was going to get hit by a bus, whether she knew or not.

If Lana knew the secret (and Clark told her about the stuff Lex did) then Lex wouldn't be able to manipulate her, because she'd know what he was really up to.
That's a really good point about the bus.

What has always bothered me is that Lex never went after Chloe until there was an opportunity in Tomb. And he knows she knows something. So I'm not clear that he would necessarily go after Lana. I think Lana's friendship with Lex is what puts her in danger. Knowing Clark's secret would put her in the same position as Chloe in relationship to Lex -- if she weren't friends with him.

I'm wondering if now Clark's excuse for not telling her is becoming her friendship with Lex. Honestly, he needs to tell her.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Miss L
She couldn't hide it from Lex that she knew. And yes, I agree that she could be in more of a position of power if Clark came clean with her, but at the same time, her friendship with Lex complicates the issue. She hasn't figured out what Lex is truly capable of yet, so she's not ready to walk away from him even if she learns Clark's secret.


This is the biggest issue, and Clark even said this explicitly in Reckoning. When Chloe tried to convince him that he could stop her from dying, that it didn't mean that he had to keep lying to her, he said that there would always be that threat to Lana if she knows. It was at that point that he decided he's not ever going to tell her. In the episodes since, he's stuck to that and it seemed clear after their conversation at the end last night that he's going to let her go (the inevitable conclusion to their relationship) rather than tell her. Period.

Now, I think she will find out on her own, and that could be interesting. But the fact that he doesn't tell her himself will mean that they can never be together again. Just knowing will mean a lot of (finally) answered questions for Lana, but the fact that he couldn't tell her himself will be a big deal for her.

[Coyote]

Clark knows that his relationship with Lana isn't meant to be. He also knows that Lex could get any secret out of Lana in less than 20 minutes. For once Clark is doing a smart thing and not telling her.

Lana of course caught the look between Clark and Chloe and knows something is up. Maybe she got the idea that Clark and Chloe were secretly hooking up. They could have a cat fight. That would be funny.

[smallvillerocks45]

Originally posted by loisnlana
I love how Lana acknowledged the look Clark and Chloe gave eachother. Know she knows Chloe's in on it.

You know...I'd really like to see a scene in the future that addresses this. As you and others have said, Lana noticed that something's up and Chloe knows about it.

Now, I'd like to see Lana ask Chloe about it. This could be interesting and complicated - especially since she's friends with both, and actually shares a dorm room with Lana...not to mention this is a huge secret that she promised Clark she'd never reveal. I'd just really like to see how Chloe would handle the situation.

[sari_chem]

And despite what people told Clark about Lex, he chose to believe in him and see what kind of person he is for himself, and not be influenced by the opinions of others. I see Lana doing the exact same thing so I'm not going to fault her for acting pretty much the Exact same way Clark did the first 3 Seasons.. I'm glad Clark stood his ground and without saying it, basically told people to screw off and let him come to his own conclusions about Lex. That's the way it should be, and I think Lana deserves that same chance.

Agreed :)

[RockGod815]

I think clark needs to tell lana his own version of the truth but not tell her everything and be careful about what he says. he should also talk to jor-el about it and find out if she'll die again if he tells her anything. Otherwise he needs to improve on lying or break it off with lana. it's getting rediculas. he could always tell lana he was affected by the meteors so there are gonna be somethings about him she'll never understand. Clark has a good heart but now he needs to start using his brain.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by jwoodie

Now, I think she will find out on her own, and that could be interesting. But the fact that he doesn't tell her himself will mean that they can never be together again. Just knowing will mean a lot of (finally) answered questions for Lana, but the fact that he couldn't tell her himself will be a big deal for her.

Yep, I totally agree.

[Lobby4Chloe]

Seems like the only way they can be together is if she finds out on her own. That way, he won't be able to do anyting about it. There are different versions from the comics, I think, as to how Lana knows, a) he tells her, or b) she just figures it out. Eventually (and they may drag it out until the end of the show), she *will* know, but maybe by then, he won't want her anyway, especially if she hooks up with Lex.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Lobby4Chloe
Seems like the only way they can be together is if she finds out on her own. That way, he won't be able to do anyting about it. There are different versions from the comics, I think, as to how Lana knows, a) he tells her, or b) she just figures it out. Eventually (and they may drag it out until the end of the show), she *will* know, but maybe by then, he won't want her anyway, especially if she hooks up with Lex.
I'm thinking the only way they can be together is if he tells her. We already know from Reckoning that she will be okay with the secret if Clark tells her. But if she finds out on her own, her attitude may not be the same. The fact that Chloe knew the truth before she did will probably bother her, too.

I'm getting more and more confused over this story line. He always loved Lana, he always will. What about Lois? Knowing the secret will put Lana in danger from Lex. But isn't Chloe in danger, too, then? The more TPTB concoct reasons for Clark to keep his secret from Lana, the more convoluted this whole thing becomes. :rolleyes:

Can he just tell her, already?


Originally posted by Liriel
I disagree. He chased her whether she knew or not. She was going to get hit by a bus, whether she knew or not.

If Lana knew the secret (and Clark told her about the stuff Lex did) then Lex wouldn't be able to manipulate her, because she'd know what he was really up to.
And I want to go back to this for a moment. The fact that Lana would have been hit by a bus in either case tells me that it's not knowing Clark's secret that put her in danger -- it's her friendship with Lex. In both cases, she goes to see Lex, in both cases, she gets hit by a bus. Only in the second case, Clark intervenes.

Clark should have realized this once he rescued Lana in the second scenario. And it should be even more motivation for him to tell her the truth and put an end to Lexana.

[Miss L]

We're just going to have to disagree on the whole Lana-in-danger-in general vs. Lana-in-more-danger-if-she-knows argument. ;)

Yes, Chloe is in danger--as evidenced by Lex jumping on an opportunity to pick her brain, so to speak, in Tomb. He just doesn't have ready access to Chloe without drawing unwanted attention or raising questions. Perhaps he is plotting even now how to get information out of her.

The difference with Lana that he is romantically interested in her. This keeps him from crossing the line...Of course that could change.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the nature of his relationship with each woman is different. And that complicates his means to his end with each of them.

[Lobby4Chloe]

And I want to go back to this for a moment. The fact that Lana would have been hit by a bus in either case tells me that it's not knowing Clark's secret that put her in danger -- it's her friendship with Lex. In both cases, she goes to see Lex, in both cases, she gets hit by a bus. Only in the second case, Clark intervenes.

Clark should have realized this once he rescued Lana in the second scenario. And it should be even more motivation for him to tell her the truth and put an end to Lexana. [/B][/QUOTE]


I can't believe he isn't more upset about that too! After losing his dad and going through all that. I think I would be pretty upset at her. I wouldn't be surprised if he doubted her now. And that scene in 'Cyborg' where she let Victor leave, he looked pissed at her. She seemed like she knew they would argue about it too.

[puddinpiester]

If Clark doesn't become a little more secretive with his abilities, he won't have to tell Lana. She'll see it on the evening news program on tv. Maybe that's why he has become so sloppy about using his powers in public and everywhere else. Maybe subconsciously he wants Lana to find out. He thinks his telling her his secret put her in danger. But, if she just happens to find out on her own, maybe his perception of the danger she'd be in would be more palatable in that the danger would seem less. (As I scrunch up my face wondering if what I just said is really what I wanted to say.) Anyways, he does want Lana to know about him. He just can't bare the thought of the possibility of her getting hurt or killed being related to his secret. He really is a nice guy. Just misguided sometimes.

[sari_chem]

Whether or not Lana and Clark are a still couple, he should still tell her his secret. You can't just get that emotionally, intimately, and physically close to someone, and not tell them who you really are. It's not fair to the person you are lying to.

If he tells her the truth, then she will accept him for who he is. Even if they decide not to be together anymore, she will still care for him. Now if Lana finds out on her own, and finds out that Chloe has known all of this time, then she may get very angry. And she would have every right to feel angry, hurt, and betrayed. She would think..."Clark thinks I'm good enought to sleep with, but not good enough to share his secret with?" That would hurt any person.

[lexs&os]

If Lana finds out on her own - great, and way back when, Clark probably should've said something. At this point, I have no desire to watch a Clana angst conversation about it at all and am not in favor of him telling her now. We know they're not gonna be together and have started to see the end of Clana - please, don't beat this horse anymore - what's the point? I haven't been a strong shipper anywhich way, after seeing Clana going "round and round" it's turned any "awe, that's cute" comments with them to "oh, vomit, not again" comments. If he was gonna tell her the truth, he should've done it a long time ago - not after we've seen a number of recent ep portraying the decline of Clana. So, instead of having to keep lying to her, it's time to just end it.

[GooN]

clark is dumb for not tellin her sometime after his dad died. lana is dumb for "trusting" lex more than clark recently and not finding out about clark in the first place.
their whole situation is dumb. and the writers are dumb for keeping this rollercoaster of a relationship, which started off as a Montu, but is now more like bumper cars.....going.

and im dumb for pointing out the obvious. have a nice day.

oh and Season 6 should be the last....the TV ratings would sky rocket cos of the superman movie coming out this summer, coupled with the fact that its the last season, and if they carry it on anymore it would be, well, u know...

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

"Yea. Somebody please stop the merry go round. I want to get off now."

I totally agree...Each Clana that I see know, my stomach turns into knots. Its so painful to watch anymore.

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by ClLaLeChFAN01
"Yea. Somebody please stop the merry go round. I want to get off now."

I totally agree...Each Clana that I see know, my stomach turns into knots. Its so painful to watch anymore.

Yeah, I actually liked it up till season four, I mean they just kept dragging it out! Plus, Lois was on the show by then, so ya know. :)

[MrED]

Clana has always been lame! Bring on the Chlark or som Clois foreshadowing

[cotton candy girl]

Clana's not lame.

[Deana]

Clana is been like beating a dead horse since Season 3.

No one seems to say that he can't tell her the secret, because she doesn't have the capacity to keep it around Lex.

He saw right through her lie. Why in the world would Clark tell her the secret when he knows she's getting herself more entangled with the very person who can weasel the truth out of her?!!!!

Where's the logic in that?

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by asparks
She deserves to me lied to!
No one in a relationship deserves to be lied to or they should just end it. Lana is the one with the cahonies to ask the tough questions while our superhero stares into space. YES everyone is tired of the merry go roung because the writers can't get it right for any of the shippers. It has been stale since Aqua. Let Cyborg be the end of nothing and the beginning of a refreshing storyline. Just not Lexana. Bring in Mark from Kristin's "other show" at least they fought.

[GooN]

nonono, if he told her EVERYTHING he could also tell her how lex investigated him and his many bad deeds....and dont forget she was engaged when she "lied about clark" the 1st time and lex was drunk.
like ive said before just dont propose to her, take it one step at a time or just BREAK UP DAMMIT!

[LuckyKrypto]

Maybe this has already been said, but I think this creation of Lana is going to have to find out on her own!! Dang it girl, just find out his secret and lay it out for him that you know and surprise surprise you were able to stay alive and keep it a secret!!
Wouldn't that just kill Clark?!?!?:)

Seriously, I don't know if this is right or not, but I thought I read somewhere that the Lana in the comic books was always trying to find out Clark's secret. Maybe that was where TPTB were trying to go with this whole Clana??
I don't know.........

[myankskent]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
Maybe this has already been said, but I think this creation of Lana is going to have to find out on her own!! Dang it girl, just find out his secret and lay it out for him that you know and surprise surprise you were able to stay alive and keep it a secret!!
Wouldn't that just kill Clark?!?!?:)

Seriously, I don't know if this is right or not, but I thought I read somewhere that the Lana in the comic books was always trying to find out Clark's secret. Maybe that was where TPTB were trying to go with this whole Clana??
I don't know.........

It's getting really ugly and it is ending up to be something that most people don't even want to see anymore. I think they have waited too long for clark to tell lana and even worse, he never told her again in Reckoning. The thing that is really annoying is that Clark and Lana probably won't even end up together in the end so they are just torturing the fans week after week with the ending probably not to the Clana fans liking. That's why they need to just end it now if that is what they want to do or else their "breakup" won't be as significant when it eventually does come.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by myankskent
It's getting really ugly and it is ending up to be something that most people don't even want to see anymore. I think they have waited too long for clark to tell lana and even worse, he never told her again in Reckoning. The thing that is really annoying is that Clark and Lana probably won't even end up together in the end so they are just torturing the fans week after week with the ending probably not to the Clana fans liking. That's why they need to just end it now if that is what they want to do or else their "breakup" won't be as significant when it eventually does come.

Very true, but I will have to go back and read. I thought in some of the older comics I had, Lana was in love with Clark and was always trying to find out his secret??
And before anyone says it, yes I know this show isn't like the comics, but I have wondered if that is maybe were TPTB are trying to go with the whole Clana relationship.
I honestly have no idea, and I have no idea why I care at this point. :rolleyes:

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Shalamarke
One thing I was thinking during this episode, which had so many references to this issue from the angle of "will Lana accept me if I tell her" is that the final reason in the end, as to why he will still not tell her, is because he truly believes she will come to harm if she knows.

He got over the idea that she wont accept him in Reckoning. He already knows that if he asked her to marry him, she would say YES!

Following the line of "will she accept me" is a waste of time and an insult to an intelligent audience.

I agree 100%

[ckfan]

It is not the fear of rejection anymore that is keeping him from telling her. He knows from Reckoning that she would accept him - and even marry him!

Now I truly think that the writers are trying to show that he feels he cannot tell her because of his close relationship with her. I mean, he cannot continue to be her boyfriend AND also tell her, because people like Lex (in particular) will always put her in danger pressing her for the secret. It's true that they could do the same to Martha or to Chloe, but there is nothing he can do about that anymore and it wasn't his fault that they know his secret.

He cannot willingly subject someone to that danger because if Lana ever died because of it, he could not live with himself.

However, I do think (and hope) that at some future point when they are clearly not "in love" and have become just friends, he does ultimately tell her. At that point, the threat to her will be gone because no one will assume that she must know because of her closeness to Clark.

In the future, he can tell Lois, because at that point he will have separated "Clark" from "Superman," and thus removed the danger from people who are close to Clark.

[netlynn]

Originally posted by dmb2718
So Lana is becoming more and more suspicious exspecially in this episode, as everyone has seen. Do you think the show is moving towards "the reveal" (in whatever form it may come)? and do you think it will come this season? lol I'm a HUGE Clana fan if you cant tell.

God I hope so.....everything is right in front of her I just want to to know and remember!

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
Maybe this has already been said, but I think this creation of Lana is going to have to find out on her own!! Dang it girl, just find out his secret and lay it out for him that you know and surprise surprise you were able to stay alive and keep it a secret!!
Wouldn't that just kill Clark?!?!?:)
Right now the only way this story line is going to interest me is if Lana already knows and is just waiting for Clark to say something. That would be a killer! :D

[jaime,oburg]

Lana has to know that something is up with Clark. I mean Geezzz she can't possibly believe what she told Lex in Hidden that he is just like everybody else. If she does believe that she has got to be in denial like Lex says just so she can stay in a relationship with him. Either way she is showing that it is getting old for her too. About time girl!:D

[cotton candy girl]

I agree Jaime. And I'm glad to see Lana getting some props from someone other than Lana/ Clana fans.

And I'm not mad at Lana if in fact it IS getting old for her.

[Sweetie]

In my opinion,Lana will ask Chloé some questions.The look on her that she gave to Clark & Chloé prouved that she defenetly know that something is up between Clark & her roomate.But,I think that she will find out like Chloé did:she will see him in action and he would have to tell her.

By the way,it would be a really stupid develloppement if Lana already knows Clark's secret.She would be the meanest and the most careless person in the world for making him fells extremely guity for not telling her the thruth all this time.She will be even worst lier than him.

[Watching Smallville]

But that's what Chloe did. And she did it because she respected Clark, not to be mean to him.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
But that's what Chloe did. And she did it because she respected Clark, not to be mean to him.

Chloe held her tongue for a long time out of respect for Clark's need to keep his own secret. But that's not the same as what Lana is doing - if Lana did in fact know his secret, then went through the whole "secrets and lies" thing in every conversation they had together, that would be horrible. That's why it doesn't make any sense that she already knows and is just waiting for him to tell her. Chloe didn't make it a big guilt trip thing when she knew his secret, she just held her tongue and tried to be supportive of Clark, hoping he would finally come to the point of being able to tell her himself.

The thing that is driving Lana crazy now is the same thing that drives Lex crazy - they both KNOW that Clark is different somehow but they can't put their finger on why, and she can't figure out why he wont' tell her the truth. The reason she's been with him this long is because she also knows that he has been honest with her about his feelings for her, which makes it all the more perplexing that he won't share himself completely with her. She said as much to Lex in Reckoning, saying that she thought she could just patient and eventually he would let her in, but he just never did.

[Watching Smallville]

I guess you're right.

You're more patient than I am. :) I'm so bored with the back and forth. I was just trying to think of a way to spice up the angst. :D

[Happy Random]

You know, it all boils down to one thing. Clark needs to just open his fat mouth and tell her his secret. As LuckyKrypto and others have pointed out, Lana is supposed to know, she isn't supposed to be left in the dark. :\ :)

[SnarkMasterJ]

Originally posted by ckfan
Now I truly think that the writers are trying to show that he feels he cannot tell her because of his close relationship with her. I mean, he cannot continue to be her boyfriend AND also tell her, because people like Lex (in particular) will always put her in danger pressing her for the secret. It's true that they could do the same to Martha or to Chloe, but there is nothing he can do about that anymore and it wasn't his fault that they know his secret.

He cannot willingly subject someone to that danger because if Lana ever died because of it, he could not live with himself.

I think it's that, but also something else. The whole "If Lana found out, she'd be in danger" idea just doesn't fly with me on its own. I don't buy it. Everyone on the show is in danger for one reason or another, Lana included, and more often than not, Clark isn't always directly related. He's just the hero (which he's supposed to be).

And we can't neglect the fact that Clark had his opportunities to be open and honest with Lana LONG before the events of "Reckoning"; he even talked with Chloe about it and said, "I can't expect her to be as understanding as you", or something to that degree. That doesn't sound like protection. That sounds like distrust.

Now that being said, he may or may not think that his secret could bring Lana to harm; we see that because of what happened in "Reckoning" -- Lana and Lex fought, Lex chased her down, she got hit, she died. Fine.

I think it's a bit of both. But I'm more inclined to believe, at this juncture, that there's a level of trust that isn't there.

[SVSpector]

The only reason she was in danger was because Clark asked her to marry him. If he doesn't do that right away Lex would never be able to guess that she knows because she wouldn't be fully committed to him so quickly. Over the long haul it could have worked out.....but we all know that it does not.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
Now that being said, he may or may not think that his secret could bring Lana to harm; we see that because of what happened in "Reckoning" -- Lana and Lex fought, Lex chased her down, she got hit, she died. Fine.
And the crash would have happened in both scenarios, whether Clark told her or not, except for his intervening. So the "protecting her from Lex" rationale doesn't fly for me. Especially when there are so many other people who know -- Chloe, Martha, every FOTW in Belle Reve, Pete, the friendly FOTWs that are still wondering around.

I agree with you -- there's visible distrust of Lana's relationship with Lex, and IMO this is how the writers are now justifying the secret-keeping. They keep coming up with excuses for Clark not to tell her. And I'm finding this particular excuse particularly lame.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
And the crash would have happened in both scenarios, whether Clark told her or not, except for his intervening. So the "protecting her from Lex" rationale doesn't fly for me. Especially when there are so many other people who know -- Chloe, Martha, every FOTW in Belle Reve, Pete, the friendly FOTWs that are still wondering around.

I agree with you -- there's visible distrust of Lana's relationship with Lex, and IMO this is how the writers are now justifying the secret-keeping. They keep coming up with excuses for Clark not to tell her. And I'm finding this particular excuse particularly lame.

This is where I don't agree with many on this board. I don't think that Clark thinks that there is something going on with Lana and Lex. I just think that he realizes that he is not there to protect her all of the time because of the fact that she doesn't know his secret. Clark doesn't know about what happened in Lexmas and he also realizes that he imagined what he saw in Splinter. The only two instances he saw Lana and Lex together was after the second accident in Reckoning and at the hospital during Lockdown. In both cases, it wasn't like Lana and Lex were in love with each other, they were just there for each other as friends, something that Clark can't do for Lana without telling her his secret.

[Watching Smallville]

I don't think he's suspicious that there's a relationship. I totally agree with you there. I just think he doesn't believe Lana can hold her own against Lex. Or, to be more accurate, I think the writers are saying that Clark doesn't think Lana can hold her own against Lex. :rolleyes:

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by myankskent
This is where I don't agree with many on this board. I don't think that Clark thinks that there is something going on with Lana and Lex. I just think that he realizes that he is not there to protect her all of the time because of the fact that she doesn't know his secret. Clark doesn't know about what happened in Lexmas and he also realizes that he imagined what he saw in Splinter. The only two instances he saw Lana and Lex together was after the second accident in Reckoning and at the hospital during Lockdown. In both cases, it wasn't like Lana and Lex were in love with each other, they were just there for each other as friends, something that Clark can't do for Lana without telling her his secret.

I think Clark's motivations are vague enough, after the past 6 episodes or so, that it can be interpreted in a number of ways, all of which you can support with references to this scene or that scene. And that's the problem - his motivations are all over the board. I think his distrust of their growing relationship is one factor. I think it's clear enough that he views Lex/Lana as at least *having* a growing relationship, which is enough for him to be mistrustful of. But I would submit that it's Clark's fault that Lana would even consider turning to Lex, since it would take almost nothing to reveal enough of Lex's indiscretions to turn her away from him forever. And he could do that without revealing anything about his secret. That's the problem I have with where Clark/Lana stand AND where they are going with Lex/Lana. Neither makes sense, and it's Clark's vague/suspect motivations that stand at the crux of both of those.

[Daphne]

You know, Clark does have a good reason for not telling Lana his secret. Pete found out and was beaten badly. Lana found out and within the day Lex was all over her because he knew she knew and then she was dead. Lex has made the move to get at Chloe.
Clark may be able to tell her, things could work out, but he doesn't know that. I think he doesn't want to risk it and he's willing to sacrafice his happiness for it.
The only thing is that he should break things off with her completely, because dragging her along unhappy isn't right either.

[Sweetie]

Originally posted by Daphne
You know, Clark does have a good reason for not telling Lana his secret. Pete found out and was beaten badly. Lana found out and within the day Lex was all over her because he knew she knew and then she was dead. Lex has made the move to get at Chloe.
Clark may be able to tell her, things could work out, but he doesn't know that. I think he doesn't want to risk it and he's willing to sacrafice his happiness for it.
The only thing is that he should break things off with her completely, because dragging her along unhappy isn't right either.



I agree.

[cotton candy girl]

Chloe hasn't even broken a nail from knowing the secret. :\

[Daphne]

This is true, I thought about that myself. But Lana does not seem to have Chloe's luck, does she?
And it's a mystery to as why Lex hasn't tried to get the info from Chloe. A big hole in the writing actually.

[Watching Smallville]

Chloe knows how to protect herself. I think that's the difference between Chloe and Lana knowing Clark's secret. Lana is very vulnerable where Lex is concerned.

[cotton candy girl]

Daphne, what do you mean Lana doesn't seem to have Chloe's luck? What about the fact that she was going to die anyway without knowing the secret, if Clark hadn't stopped the bus?

[photogirl]

I stopped feeling bad for lana a long time ago...she can choose to walk away from clark...he's better off not being obsessive over her anyway!!!

All the freaks of the week chasing her and stuff, well I feel a little bit bad. Lana has had a hard life, but the whole Clark thing needs to end.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by Daphne
You know, Clark does have a good reason for not telling Lana his secret. Pete found out and was beaten badly. Lana found out and within the day Lex was all over her because he knew she knew and then she was dead. Lex has made the move to get at Chloe.
Clark may be able to tell her, things could work out, but he doesn't know that. I think he doesn't want to risk it and he's willing to sacrafice his happiness for it.
The only thing is that he should break things off with her completely, because dragging her along unhappy isn't right either.
Agreed.

[Daphne]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Daphne, what do you mean Lana doesn't seem to have Chloe's luck? What about the fact that she was going to die anyway without knowing the secret, if Clark hadn't stopped the bus?

What I meant by "luck" was in regards to Chloe's good luck in not getting beaten up or killed for Clark's secret. Pete found out and was beaten up. Lana found out and immediately Lex knew and was on to her and chasing her around in her car. Chloe is the only one who "hasn't broken a fingernail."
I was only speaking about "luck" in regards to what happens after getting the Clark info.

[Miss L]

What I meant by "luck" was in regards to Chloe's good luck in not getting beaten up or killed for Clark's secret. Pete found out and was beaten up. Lana found out and immediately Lex knew and was on to her and chasing her around in her car.

Not yet, at least. I think it was a pretty close call in Tomb with Lex nearly having Chloe in Belle Reve, and it was just a good thing that Clark was there to intervene. It wasn't even Lex's idea, so it sure would have been unlucky for Chloe to end up where Lex could take advantage.

So many possibilities. I wish there weren't 5 more weeks to consider what all could happen....

[PKII]

I didn't read the last three pages before this post so if its been discussed sorry.

However I was rewatching it today and when I noticed something. When Victor was looking at his arm when it was leaking oil from his power cell. Anyone notice the look in Lana's eyes. She looked at his arm then directly over to Clark. (thinking to herself hmm...could he be just like Victor) IMO that is what she was thinking. lol then right at the end Lana's eyes did a sideways view of Clark again.

:lol:

[son2380]

I have always said that Smalleville Clark kent was a DC version of Ultimate Spiderman. And after reading some of teh post in this forum, i really believe it now. In a recent Story arch Peter Parker broke up with his one and only girlfriend MaryJane. The reason he broke up with her is the same reason why Clark refuses to date and tell Lana his secret. He felt that anyone close to him will die because of Spiderman.

Peter has good reason to become a loner and just be a real social out caste. Because every villain and super hero in the Ultimate universe knows his secret. So every friend family and girlfriend he has is in great danger everytime they are around him. Peter didn't realize this until after Gwen Stacey died by the hand of Carnage that everyone around him is in danger. I see a little similarity in what the TPTB are trying to do in Smalleville but they are doing a bad job. To me clark at this moment in this time zone has no reason to keep his secret from Lana. If someone would die because of that secret then yeah I can see him keeping it away from Lana to protect her but no one has really died because of his secret.

I think the writer are reading ULT Spid and are using it to help write this story excuse as the reason why clark refuses to tell Lana, but unlike Peter Parker who actually has real reasons to keep people away from him, clark really doesn't have an excuse.

[jmf1]

Clark will tell Lana when he's good and ready. Maybe Clark will stop lying when Lana stops lying. She's the one that was investigating the ship with Lex. She's the one that killed Jason's mother and forgot to mention it. Who cares if Clark has his secrets? Lana has secrets she keeps from Clark. He's not without his suspicions but he doesn't flip out at her about it. She asked him to trust her about why blood was on the stone and he never brought it up again.

And, whatever happened to Clark gets to choose to tell Lana when he wants her to know. That's Clark's decision to make; not Chloes. And, if Lana wants to get pissed at Chloe for not telling her Clark's secret, that's just messed up. Lana should be mad at Clark for not sharing - not Chloe. It isn't Chloe's personal information to share. Good for Chloe that she knows how to be a friend and trustworthy confidant.

I've had people ask me all the time why didn't I repeat things I knew about common friends. And, I always tell them. Because they asked me not to say anything and if they wanted you to know they'd tell you. I wouldn't betray their trust just like I won't betray yours. That's what a good friend does unless its dangerous and destructive and then you just gotta tell the friend up front that those are your conditions. IF you murder someone and tell me or something close to that, then I can't promise I'll keep your secret.

Like Lois said. If knowing the secret doesn't hurt anything (and believe me I put Lana's dumb I feel left out why won't Clark share - in that category) then Chloe shouldn't tell. And if Clark doesn't want her to know, that's his decision.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I agree.

I think that Clark has a pretty good reason to not tell Lana, but I think that he should tell her. So what about Lex I say! I like to see that part played out again. Lex knows that Lana knows CLarks secret. He tries to get it out of her......Oh the possiblities!!!!

[SacredK]

Originally posted by Tyrrath
I think Lana has become season-1 Lex. This isn't a bad thing. :D

LOL. I believe that too. Maybe later she'll become Lex's wife cuz like Lex, she feels hurt for Clark not trusting her. :)

[SlickBlonde]

Let me say I'm new here, in fact I'm new to forums in general, so bare with me.

But anyway, one thing that has always bothered me about Clark's reasoning regards his statement to Chloe and a similar statement he made to his mom: that he can't expect Lana to react to his secret the way Chloe and Pete did. I mean how can he possibly deduce that she is "the one" for him if he cannot trust her to love him unconditionally. I would think that just the simple fact that he DOESN'T have that magnitude of faith in her should be a red flag to him that she is not the one. Someone said earlier that there is lack of trust in their relationship that Clark is either too stupid or too subborn to acknowledge. Well, I wish the BDA would come to his senses and realize that his instincts may be telling him all he needs to know

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I mean how can he possibly deduce that she is "the one" for him if he cannot trust her to love him unconditionally. I would think that just the simple fact that he DOESN'T have that magnitude of faith in her should be a red flag to him that she is not the one.
Martha said as much to him in -- was it Lockdown? Now he doesn't have that excuse. He has seen how Lana would accept him in Reckoning. But he found another reason not to trust her with his secret.

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
Someone said earlier that there is lack of trust in their relationship that Clark is either too stupid or too subborn to acknowledge. Well, I wish the BDA would come to his senses and realize that his instincts may be telling him all he needs to know
It is weird that he chases so hard after someone he keeps running away from. :rolleyes:

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville

It is weird that he chases so hard after someone he keeps running away from. :rolleyes:

No Kidding!! That just drives me crazy with him

[Daphne]

Also have to remember that Clark's arrival to Smallville killed Lana's parents and that's got to be a factor for him. Will she hate him?
I agree that he has seen now that she would accept him. But he just doesn't want her ending up Lex's lab rat. Just like Lex tried to put Chloe in Belle Reeve.

[clana20]

How about this.
Clark could simply ask lana, in one of there endless end of the episode scenes, if what he was hiding from her/would tell her, could directly lead to her being in danger and possibly dying, and if she still wanted to know, then just tell her. Then the pressure would be off and he could do his best to try to protect but beyond that it was her decision to know. That would be great in my opinion.

[Daphne]

I could see that. I just think he's not that into her anymore. With his father passing away and bigger things out there. Maybe he's just not that into her.

[All about Clark]

Well I think he is still into her as you put it. But knowing that saving her cost him his father's life puts stress on the relationship. And it's got to bug him how much time she spends with Lex. So even though he is still into her, he's distancing himself. He's giving up his needs to make sure she lives. Lex won't hurt her if she doesn't know anything.

Lana isn't tough like Lois, knowing the secret wouldn't be safe for Lana because Lana can't seem to figure out who the bad guys are vs. good guys.

I think if she finds out the secret, Clark will further distance himself from her so that no one will expect she knows.

[Daphne]

Maybe, but the tormented Clark Kent is getting boring. I think we should see him move on.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Daphne
I could see that. I just think he's not that into her anymore. With his father passing away and bigger things out there. Maybe he's just not that into her.

I don't believe this. I think he will love her for a long time.

[mobiusklein]

Why does he have to remain in love with her? It's not her story. All that talk about abandonment, well, it's finally going to happen to her.

[cotton candy girl]

I think he will love her for a long time. He's loved her for years, and he's not going to stop loving her that quickly, IMO.

[Daphne]

I don't know. Most high school sweethearts end up being very sweet fond memories (not all but most), but one usually moves on and grows so much. Lois is his true love. Though it may not seem it now.

[cotton candy girl]

I'm not even talking about that.

But...Lois may be his true future love, but Lana is the first woman he's ever been in love with in his life.

[Daphne]

I never denied that he loved Lana. I just stated I was hoping and I thought it might be time to move on. Not be so obessed with Lana. We know it happens at some point, why not now?

[cotton candy girl]

I guess we don't disagree, but truly if I had my way, he and Lana wouldn't break up until the end of the last season. But I think they're about over.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Daphne
I never denied that he loved Lana. I just stated I was hoping and I thought it might be time to move on. Not be so obessed with Lana. We know it happens at some point, why not now?

I think those of us that like this relationship could live with that if it weren't for such contrived reasons. I mean, the list of excuses that Clark has come up with for NOT telling her has worn very very thin and it just doesn't make any logical sense any more. So if they are hell bent on him not telling her, then fine, let's move on. But do we really think this is the end for them as a couple and as friends? Are we expected to believe that she is going to be with Lex and that Clark and Chloe are just going to let that happen without giving her SOME kind of heads up as to what Lex has been up to? (as recently as Cyborg) If this was the end, then fine, we can move on. But the back-and-forth is going to keep going on, and as long as it is - under the current set of circumstances - it is completely contrived and their "split" is very unsatisfying.

Now, if they were to break up for the right reasons - say, that she learns his secret and they both realize that his destiny is much, much bigger than her own and that's why they can't ultimately be together, then that would sit a lot better with those of us who are still in their camp. But for now it just seems like a contrived situation to get her and Lex together.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by jwoodie
I think those of us that like this relationship could live with that if it weren't for such contrived reasons. I mean, the list of excuses that Clark has come up with for NOT telling her has worn very very thin and it just doesn't make any logical sense any more. So if they are hell bent on him not telling her, then fine, let's move on. But do we really think this is the end for them as a couple and as friends? Are we expected to believe that she is going to be with Lex and that Clark and Chloe are just going to let that happen without giving her SOME kind of heads up as to what Lex has been up to? (as recently as Cyborg) If this was the end, then fine, we can move on. But the back-and-forth is going to keep going on, and as long as it is - under the current set of circumstances - it is completely contrived and their "split" is very unsatisfying.

Now, if they were to break up for the right reasons - say, that she learns his secret and they both realize that his destiny is much, much bigger than her own and that's why they can't ultimately be together, then that would sit a lot better with those of us who are still in their camp. But for now it just seems like a contrived situation to get her and Lex together.

Very well said. ;)

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
I guess we don't disagree, but truly if I had my way, he and Lana wouldn't break up until the end of the last season. But I think they're about over.

Given what I said above and how important this relationship has been to the show (say what you will about it, this much is true) I'm fairly certain that this is NOT the end for them. Why would it be? I mean, this is one of the pillars of the show so why abandon it in such a careless way. Just isn't going to happen. Your feeling about them breaking up at the end of the last season is probably right on, and it's a virtual certainty that this is not their last season, ergo, they're not done yet, IMO.

[Daphne]

I never had a problem with the Lana/Clark relationship really. It's just old now, as you said it's wearing thin! Clark seems to be changing a lot lately also. The passing of a beloved father can make one look inside and start deciding what is really important.
In the real story Clark tells Lana and they do not end up together for the reasons you stated. This will have to happen at some point. I am saying, why not now? I am pretty sure Clark and Lana stay friends in the future and that's how it should be.
I am thinking the Lex and Lana thing won't last long. It can't.

Thinking of Clark and Lana going back and forth for yet another season woudl drive me crazy. Be done with it! Or go full steam ahead. One or the other.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by jwoodie
I think those of us that like this relationship could live with that if it weren't for such contrived reasons. I mean, the list of excuses that Clark has come up with for NOT telling her has worn very very thin and it just doesn't make any logical sense any more. So if they are hell bent on him not telling her, then fine, let's move on. But do we really think this is the end for them as a couple and as friends? Are we expected to believe that she is going to be with Lex and that Clark and Chloe are just going to let that happen without giving her SOME kind of heads up as to what Lex has been up to? (as recently as Cyborg) If this was the end, then fine, we can move on. But the back-and-forth is going to keep going on, and as long as it is - under the current set of circumstances - it is completely contrived and their "split" is very unsatisfying.

Now, if they were to break up for the right reasons - say, that she learns his secret and they both realize that his destiny is much, much bigger than her own and that's why they can't ultimately be together, then that would sit a lot better with those of us who are still in their camp. But for now it just seems like a contrived situation to get her and Lex together.

I agree with this, and this is why I think the show will shift gears coming up. Clark and Lana will break up, possibly because of something having to do with Lex, but they could still get back together later on if they both are still in love with each other. The only way for it to end for good is to have Lana find out the secret and then for them to both realize that it is not something that they both want, because then Lana could find out next season and they can play it out so that Lana understands why Clark never told her and she could decide to stay with him. I really don't know how the writers are going to work this out and something tells me that the definitive answer will not come this season.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Daphne
I never had a problem with the Lana/Clark relationship really. It's just old now, as yu said it's wearing thin! Clark seems to be changing a lot lately also. The passing of a beloved father can make one look inside and start deciding what is really important.
In the real story Clark tells Lana and they do not end up together for the reasons you stated. This will have to happen at some point. I am saying, why not now? I am pretty sure Clark and Lana stay friends in the future and that's how it should be.
I am thinking the Lex and Lana thing won't last long. It can't.

It could be that they are never together again as a couple, that's definitely a possibility. But, they were only a couple for, say, 16 of the past 105 episodes, so that's pretty much the status quo.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Daphne
I never had a problem with the Lana/Clark relationship really. It's just old now, as you said it's wearing thin! Clark seems to be changing a lot lately also. The passing of a beloved father can make one look inside and start deciding what is really important.
In the real story Clark tells Lana and they do not end up together for the reasons you stated. This will have to happen at some point. I am saying, why not now? I am pretty sure Clark and Lana stay friends in the future and that's how it should be.
I am thinking the Lex and Lana thing won't last long. It can't.

Thinking of Clark and Lana going back and forth for yet another season woudl drive me crazy. Be done with it! Or go full steam ahead. One or the other.

I am thinking that this probably will not end between Lana and Clark because the writers are not going to go into the Clois relationship on this show, at least romantically. Therefore, they probably need to keep this Lana/Clark thing around so they can use it later on before they end the show.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by myankskent
... something tells me that the definitive answer will not come this season.

Just so. The only thing that *might* happen is for Lana to "discover" something in the season finale, either about Lex's really, truly dark side or about Clark's secret, all on her own and for them to setup what the ramifications that might have next season.

[Daphne]

I don't think that the Lois /Clark relationship should be on this show either. He doesn't fall in love with Lois until he works with her at the Daily Planet. That's years away.
I guess if the writers think the only way to keep viewers is to have a huge relationship thing going on then it will have to be Clana until the end..... But knowing that Clark and Lana don't end up together is one reason why the relationship on the show is so unfullfilling to me, I guess.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Daphne
I don't think that the Lois /Clark relationship should be on this show either. He doesn't fall in love with Lois until he works with her at the Daily Planet. That's years away.
I guess if the writers think the only way to keep viewers is to have a huge relationship thing going on then it will have to be Clana until the end..... But knowing that Clark and Lana don't end up together is one reason why the relationship on the show is so unfullfilling to me, I guess.

I know a lot of people feel this way, and it's understandable. The inevitability of their relationship demise makes it hard to really get invested in them. Me, I have no problem with that :) But I understand that tendency.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Daphne
I don't think that the Lois /Clark relationship should be on this show either. He doesn't fall in love with Lois until he works with her at the Daily Planet. That's years away.
I guess if the writers think the only way to keep viewers is to have a huge relationship thing going on then it will have to be Clana until the end..... But knowing that Clark and Lana don't end up together is one reason why the relationship on the show is so unfullfilling to me, I guess.

It's unfulfilling if it doesn't end properly. If it ends because Lex sleeps with Lana or something stupid like that, it won't be fulfilling. But if it ends with Lana knowing Clark's secret and she becomes his closest friend, and Chloe is out, then it will be fulfilling. You're right, the Lois/Clark relationship should not be on this show partly because Lois is a broken character right now. She is not in college and she doesn't work as a journalist. Why would Lois and Clark fall in love now? It would be another high school type of relationship because neither one of them knows what they want to do the rest of their life. I mean really, Clark is only in his first year of college at this point and he dropped out after Jonathan died.

[mobiusklein]

Considering how flagrantly they poo on canon, I don't think they will end up life long friends. They're not even really friends now. Lana's sneaking around Clark's back, teaming up with Lex and Clark doesn't tell her doodoo. And making Lana a martyr doesn't make any sense because he eventually does find someone and it DOESN'T interfere with his destiny. Let's face it, Lana's not cut out to be his permanent SO and painting it as the grandest sacrifice ever is just plain silly. I'd be OK if she just left him because getting strangled and possessed was just too much for her and he let her go because she's just too high maintenance.

[Watching Smallville]

There's only one legitimate way for Clana to end that won't seem contrived to me -- and that's for Clark and Lana to realize that they don't really love each other. Not that the secret is too big, or Lex is in the way, or any of the other side-stepping tactics show has been relying on over the years. We've seen in Reckoning that Lana will really step up when it comes to accepting Clark's secret. Good for TPTB for showing us that. Clark knows it now. That excuse is gone. It's time for Lana to know the truth.

That's a prerequisite to presenting a real exploration of a Clark/Lana relationship instead of all this shadow dancing, and that would be interesting. I'd love to see them struggle through a romance that doesn't work and then find a way to remain friends. One of the problems with Clana is that it has no realistic dynamic. Either it's idyllic and on, or it's whiny and off. I can only remember them having one real argument that wasn't related to Clark's secret, and that was in Extinction when they were arguing over whether meteor freaks deserved compassion. I'd like to see more of that kind of exploration -- not necessarily arguing, but something of substance to show us what ties these two together or breaks them apart.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
There's only one legitimate way for Clana to end that won't seem contrived to me -- and that's for Clark and Lana to realize that they don't really love each other. Not that the secret is too big, or Lex is in the way, or any of the other side-stepping tactics show has been relying on over the years. We've seen in Reckoning that Lana will really step up when it comes to accepting Clark's secret. Good for TPTB for showing us that. Clark knows it now. That excuse is gone. It's time for Lana to know the truth.

That's a prerequisite to presenting a real exploration of a Clark/Lana relationship instead of all this shadow dancing, and that would be interesting. I'd love to see them struggle through a romance that doesn't work and then find a way to remain friends. One of the problems with Clana is that it has no realistic dynamic. Either it's idyllic and on, or it's whiny and off. I can only remember them having one real argument that wasn't related to Clark's secret, and that was in Extinction when they were arguing over whether meteor freaks deserved compassion. I'd like to see more of that kind of exploration -- not necessarily arguing, but something of substance to show us what ties these two together or breaks them apart.

Great insight here, especially about that Extinction reference. You're right, that's the only "philosophical" discussion I think we've seen between them that didn't last longer than 2 sentences of dialogue. In that way, Clark and Chloe have had WAY more talks like that.

The problem I have with the first paragraph is if it's not one of those things, then what would it be? I mean, Clark revealing himself to her is a forever thing and that bell can't be unrung. And if he does it so that she will know him completely, so they can be together, and she accepts him.... then what would it be that breaks them up? They can't agree on the color of the drapes in the Fortress of Solitude? Everything else seems very small by comparison. If they were to successfully get over that obstacle then its hard to imagine what would break them up for good, you know what I mean?

[Daphne]

Some times you just grow out of a person and have to stand for bigger and better things. They are so young right now.

[jwoodie]

Originally posted by Daphne
Some times you just grow out of a person and have to stand for bigger and better things. They are so young right now.

And Clark more than most people. Most people at their age aren't sure who or what they want to be and end up changed people over the next few years of life. That's why relationships during this period tend to fall apart as two people grow in different directions. But for Clark, he's *literally* going to be a different person in a few years, and once he makes that turn - accepting his destiny and moving to Metropolis to make it happen - there's no going back. That, to me, is why it works with Lois and doesn't with Lana. Lois will only really get to know him after he's made that turn, is more mature and they can grow together. With Lana, they're just going to grow in different directions, as is really true this season.

But what do I know? I married my wife when she was Lana's age, and that was 12 years ago... Nevermind, scratch that last paragraph :)

[Daphne]

That's awesome, my parents married at that age also and they will be married 42 years this year. I have tried to use the words "usually" and "most times" due to cool exceptions.
Yes, they will grow apart and Clark will realize his true destiny and then fall for Lois.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by jwoodie
The problem I have with the first paragraph is if it's not one of those things, then what would it be? I mean, Clark revealing himself to her is a forever thing and that bell can't be unrung. And if he does it so that she will know him completely, so they can be together, and she accepts him.... then what would it be that breaks them up? They can't agree on the color of the drapes in the Fortress of Solitude? Everything else seems very small by comparison. If they were to successfully get over that obstacle then its hard to imagine what would break them up for good, you know what I mean?
I can think of something from this year -- Clark says that Chloe cares more about other people than anyone he knows. Is that important to him for someone he's in a relationship with? It's this kind of substance -- what matters to someone in another person -- that we haven't seen. We know what Lois wants. What does Lana want, besides security? We've seen major crushing between Clark and Lana, but what do they have in common? I know more about what Clark and Chloe have in common than what Clark and Lana have in common. And why doesn't Clark trust her still? Is there anything behind that feeling other than less-than-stellar writing?

So I think there's plenty to explore -- and plenty to break them up or put them together, depending on what we find out.

[Miss L]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
One of the problems with Clana is that it has no realistic dynamic. Either it's idyllic and on, or it's whiny and off. I can only remember them having one real argument that wasn't related to Clark's secret, and that was in Extinction when they were arguing over whether meteor freaks deserved compassion. I'd like to see more of that kind of exploration -- not necessarily arguing, but something of substance to show us what ties these two together or breaks them apart.

We've seen major crushing between Clark and Lana, but what do they have in common? I know more about what Clark and Chloe have in common than what Clark and Lana have in common. And why doesn't Clark trust her still? Is there anything behind that feeling other than less-than-stellar writing?

So I think there's plenty to explore -- and plenty to break them up or put them together, depending on what we find out.

And here is my biggest frustration with Clana. We know Clark has had a crush on Lana since Elementary School, and yet after 4 1/2 years of Smallville, there still isn't any substance to their relationship. We see that there's plenty to explore between them that is real relationship interaction, but we still aren't seeing it on the show. We should know more...or should have gotten more of what they have in common when they were still officially a couple. So now this weird winding down is hard to swallow.

They are young, and they are both changing. Even without Clark being Superman, they could be naturally growing in different directions. Unfortunately, we don't know enough about what they have in common to see them naturally growing apart. Secrets or no secrets, I wish they were more real as a couple. then the impact of the secrets might be ring more true.

[Happy Random]

Actually, they do have one thing in common that has been made very clear. Secrets. ;) :D

[xrayvision]

They are both liars. And I wouldn't be surprised if they both had Dr. Fine as their professor. He can easily run between the 2 campuses. Man, I would love to see Clark's expression if he would run to Met U to see what Lana is doing to uncover his secret only to see Fine there. That would be a priceless scene.

[RedQ]

doesn't know.

Originally posted by Liriel
See, that doens't make sense to me because in Reckoning events would have ended the same regardless of Lana's knowledge, if Clark hadn't know about the accident. Her knowing made no difference.

What Clark is doing is essentially letting her go into battle unarmed. He could at least tell Lana about some of Lex's more nefarious deeds (torturing AC, trying to put the chip in Victor, etc).

They've hardly ever talked to each other, even when they were living together the first time. I do not want to see Chloe tell Lana anything - it's not her place.

I don't know how close they really are these days. Chloe once regarded her as a sister, but they haven't been close since. And Lana's never regarded Chloe as family. They've been friends, but they've rarely opened up to each other.

I'd like to see more scenes like the traded glances between Clark and Chloe this ep and Lana noticing, so that Lana begins to suspect Chloe knows the truth.

Or catching Clark in lies - I assumed he was lying about having been at the DP with Chloe, and thought it might have been interesting if Lana caught him at it (because he didn't tell Chloe he was supposed to have been there, so she said something, etc.).

I thought they were going to play up the "best friend knows/girlfriend doesn't" theme, but they really haven't. Maybe towards the end of the season - it could be really great. We could either have a blow-out confrontation or Lana feeling betrayed and turning to Lex. http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1923507#post1923507
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1883054#post1883054
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1885188#post1885188
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1895215#post1895215

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1900848#post1900848-Post #97 of 147
Also in that scene is the part where he mentioned that "he's afraid on how she will react" shows that Clark still fears the rejection on top of fear of harm but he should have rejected that notion cause he knows for a fact in 'Reconing' that she will react better.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1922455#post1922455 unless clark knows/does something that hurt the relationship.

Originally posted by ISUZU
Did you see the look that Lana made when she saw Chloe and Clark stare at each other after Lana made the comment about the girlfriend not expecting to know Mr. Cyborg's secret since he was changed ? - I think in weeks to come Lana my ask Chloe if she knows Clarks secret. Interestingly enough in this episode Lana may have noticed Clarks "Quick Exits" - this usually triggers a suspicion in the Smallville women unless of course you are Lois. This episode may have opened up some background issues we were hoping for. http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1886574#post1886574

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1912206#post1912206
How soon peoiple for get about Alicia who DID die because of his secret. and the fact that Clark is still young and worries alot and sti;; trying to get a sense of himself. and the strugle of a Hero is universal and Marvel can't patent that.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1913044#post1913044
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1901254#post1901254
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1916038#post1916038
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