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CallMeClark
02-16-2006, 04:49 PM
You know the drill.

superman79
02-16-2006, 07:12 PM
Thought it was great except for the whole Lana thing, and the ending was quite possibly one of the best ever!

ChaaBreh
02-16-2006, 07:12 PM
I am going to need to watch it again. The end was stunning - just great, with Lionel watching the video saying "your secret is safe with me - Kal-El".

So he is truly Lion-El!!! Setting up the blackmail to get closer to Martha ...HMMMM ....I think he has retained all of Jor-El's memories and from when he was downloaded with all the other info.

The Lana and Clark stuff ---- Lana is really trying and Clark has completely shut her down. He is not allowing himself to indulge in his romantic fantasies with Lana, and I'm sure it's killing him. She tries to break up with him, then keeps telling him how much she loves him....

I know that in the comics, Clark never thought that he could have a relationship/girlfriend because he thinks that their life would always be in jeopardy. That is until he met Lois Lane, who puts her life in jeopardy every day anyway!

The Cyborg story was OK, but didn't thrill me. I liked the backstories better (Lionel and Martha and Lex's subterfuge!

an 8 out of 10

Vatusia
02-16-2006, 07:13 PM
WE ARE THE CY-BORG. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISTANCE IS FU-TILE.

Of course I liked the ep because it reminded me of several storylines on my beloved Star Trek: TNG, including the eps involving Data and the emotion chip that his 'father', Dr. Noonian Soong, had designed for him but that his brother, Lore, had absconded with (then taunted Data with later). Finally Data was implanted with it, and had difficulty controlling the emotions, laughing at inappropriate times or weeping uncontrollably. I believe that for some time he had the implant removed, occasionally taking it out to stare at it longingly. When Data created his 'daughter', Lal, her cause of death was that her emotions overloaded and fried her circuits. The there were, of course, the Borg and their assimilation of organic entities into their cybernetic hybrid drones.

I don't know how much tonight's episode had to do with the Teen Titans comics storyline, but Cyborg combined a lot of these elements, from the Borg assimilation to all the talk of incompatibility between emotions and cybernetic implants (Jaime Sommers never had this problem! :eek: :lol: ). It wasn't distracting or offputting, I actually rather liked it.

I thought they picked a good guy to play Victor and that he had good chemistry with TW's Clark. I thought he and his girlfriend had a nice dynamic. I thought the latest evil scientist was appropriately creepy. I loved the side-by-side superjump!

But ok, onto what I REALLY liked about this ep! :lol: Lex has truly become MB Junior, definitely dastardly in his own right. He has finally taken the gloves off and has become a self-fulfilling prophecy - all the things Clark supposed him to be lying about in the past, Lex really IS lying about now! MR of course played all this brilliantly.

I'm finally getting where TPTB are going with Lana. Clark has - AT LAST - seen through her. He won't be telling her the secret, which Lana tipped her hand as at least holding suspicions about at several points in the episode. He withheld his declaration of love until Lana put him on the spot, at which point he said 'I've always loved you and always will - no matter what happens'. OK, I could be hopping mad about this because it does imply that she is his once and future love, which would make me a little sick, but he didn't delineate just *how* he loves her, and his declaration was wary, grim and decidedly lacking in romantic passion, so he could have simply meant it in a general way. He also implied that something bad could later go down, that his trust has been utterly destroyed - 'no matter what happens'.

I like where they're going with Lana's personality as well. She has basically taken on the same role Lex had in season 1 - of obsessive person alternately attached to Clark emotionally and filled with destructive, cat-killing curiosity about him. And you see what that got Lex - Lana may not have Lionel Luthor as a father (um, more on that later! :eek: ), but she does have Lex in her immediate vicinity, and he learned from the best! If TPTB keep this up, I may actually watch Lana scenes with glee soon. Bwahahahaha.

And now... Lionel! The magnificent, magnificent MB, who would blackmail Martha to drive her into his own arms - what an evil genius! He and his son are pursuing parallel paths with the women of their desire, and in both cases the women are in danger of taint from the Luthor magnificence - oh, it just warms the cockles of my little mischief-loving heart! :rotfl: And at the end, Lionel watching the DVD of Clark carrying Lana from the exploding warehouse, then saying 'Your secret is safe, KAL-EL!' Oh my, he DOES still retain Jor-El's memories! What else does he remember? What is the extent of his knowledge? What does he want? What will he do???? THANK YOU, PTB, FOR THIS STORYLINE!!! :D

Don't know about y'all, but I can't wait for next week! :D

jimmyolsenblues
02-16-2006, 07:13 PM
Very Good - Surprisingly

Great Scene with Lionel showing the video knowing he Kal-El
Good Plot with Cyborg.
Good showing Lex the bad guy.
Little corny how much effort Lionel is putting in so soon to get in Martha's good graces.

attitudejc
02-16-2006, 07:19 PM
i didn't like it. there was absolutely no point. well, except for the ending. I loved the ending! that was great. but, i just didn't like this one. i usually don't like the ones with comic book characters.

RJK62284
02-16-2006, 07:22 PM
Great episode I thought Lee Tompson Young was really good as Cyborg. And what an ending

shinedown
02-16-2006, 07:50 PM
superb episode!!!! this is the episode that was what we all wanted reckoning to be. smallville has redeemed itself. and the ending was a nice touch, very good cliffhanger. not to mention that cyborg was some damn sweet eye candy!

spideyfan
02-16-2006, 07:57 PM
Very good episode. Picked the pace up during the second half.

I like the fact that Lex was really the bad guy even though it was made out (by Chloe mainly) that he wasnt.

Martha was flawless and Lion-El kicks SERIOUS ASS! The ending was one of the best ever. The possibilities from here are endless.

Cyborg was cool. Very laid back and down to earth. So they changed up the story a bit...at this point, they had to...Cyborg and CK are not even close in age....The double building JUMP rocked!!

The worst part of the episode for me was when CK referred to Lana as his 'girlfriend' and she did him. I felt better though at the end when CK basically told her he loves her but I think she realized that it is pretty much over for them two. I'm glad thats settled...err...I hope :)

9/10

CallMeClark
02-16-2006, 07:59 PM
It was just okay for me. And Lionel is not Lion-El, IMO. He is trying to wiggle his way into Martha's suspenders. Good acting in this one goes to Lee Thompson Young and Annette. Finally some color back into the show.

I cannot wait to see some politics with Martha. And I also love how Jonathan continues to pop up. Sad there was not much Lex and Chloe in this one but glad to at least see them.

aoa4life
02-16-2006, 08:06 PM
I loved this episode...heck i love every ep...I know Lex and Lionel are evil but to see it played out makes you realize how evil they are...i feel dirty when i see them lying and manipulating..however to be fair we don't know if lionel has truly evil intentions yet ...he could be really protecting Clark as Jor-El....I still love Lana always have and always will...this was a great way to intro Cyborg...I loved this one alot

smallvillereporter27
02-16-2006, 08:18 PM
This episode ROCKED! The only part I didn't like was the way Clark and Lana interacted. I keep thinking their relationship is over, but they keep going on like they are still a couple.

Aside from that, the episode was awesome. I think Lee Thompsan Young did a great job as Cyborg and I LOVED the Martha and Lionel scenes. The last scene was the best!

9.5/10!!!

Smallville_addict88
02-16-2006, 08:28 PM
the episode was kind of a let down. I mean i liked it but it was like i expected more out of it because for a moment, just for a moment i actually thought Clark was going to tell Lana. I know I'm dumb, right? anyways i did like the awesome ending when lionel was watching the disk and actually knew Clark's kryptonian name. but I really don't understand the whole thing w/ Clark and Lana, they were taking a break but they're still acting like they're together. like when clark said tonight "..you hit my girlfriend"

greggbray
02-16-2006, 08:43 PM
one of the best episodes of the season.

Lex calls Clark on Clark's CONSTANT bursting into the mansion.
Clark was FINALLY Right and THE GOOD GUY in the arguments between Clark and Lex. And Lex was finally BAD. (Well, maybe misguided, but ultimately bad).

Cyborg was well-handled. I LOVED the X-Ray effect where we see some of Cyborg's workings underneath. Good nod to the comics.

And Lionel at the end? AWESOME!

The Clana angle is old, and dead. Enough is enough. Time for that just to be over. Its death rattle has taken too long.

I enjoyed the story between them when there was a story to tell. But there isn't a story now. Time to end the wheel spinning, and just move on.

Over all? 4.5 out of 5. The best episode since Solitude.

Saber
02-16-2006, 08:46 PM
It was ok nothing great. Too many plot tricks to Smallville now with not enough direction on where they are heading. The show has a different feel to it, I hardly recognize it. They are building Lionel up but keeping Lex indistinctive. A very mediocre episode.

sheltiemom
02-16-2006, 08:50 PM
I thought this was a wonderful episode. I really like Cyborg,much better than Aquaman. The diologue between Clark and Vic was teriffic. The Martha and Lionel thing is making me crazy.. I know they have to play the relationship up but the thought alone makes me sick.

StealthyMakoto
02-16-2006, 08:51 PM
Don't know about y'all, but I can't wait for next week!
Well it'll be a long week.... unless I'm mistaken, we have 6 weeks to go until another new episode. :(

But anyway, awesome episode, I thought Reckoning was very good, and they've pretty much all been up to par since then. Can't wait to see where they go with Lionel now.

tw190
02-16-2006, 08:53 PM
I liked everything but the Clana. :p

I think the ep was great, but I was eager to see more Cyborg action, like him crashing into the car. We could have seen the impact he and Clark made on the road when they jumped from the building, or him physically ripping off those doors, but I know there is a buget and yadda yadda so I won't complain.

One of the best endings of season five! Niiice. :D

I give it a 4.5/5 or 9/10, whichever number you like to go to.

attitudejc
02-16-2006, 08:53 PM
that sounds about right. man, im gonna have to find something to keep my busy.

MBCorp
02-16-2006, 09:08 PM
This is the first decent episode we've had since Lexmas. It had its weaknesses (Clana related, mainly) but at least there was some good plot development plus we got to see evil Lex, which is great. Victor was also a pretty sympathetic guest character and the actor did a good job with the character. And the Lionel plotline deepens and grows ever more intriguing. I give Cyborg a 7 out of 10, which is a pretty good rating from me.

F-Stop Blues
02-16-2006, 09:26 PM
One of my favorite eps this season. The ending was absolutlely phenomenal.

shadowcat20x
02-16-2006, 09:31 PM
Loved it!

cayayofm
02-16-2006, 09:50 PM
I was an okay episode it was not good, not bad, but you know what is the thing about Smallville is, is not joyful anymore. The show has not surprises at all, with plot moves that you can see from 10 miles away. Lex is evil!.... no surprise, is the same dance since season 1. I knew he was directly linked and knew everything from the star. Lionel helping Martha just to get the video that was sent to her, I saw this since the video arrived. There is nothing fresh, Lana and Clark in the I love you but you hide things from me. Lex trying to put out a face for Clark and the writters desperate to find a plot for Martha. I just get irritated everytime Lex opens his mouth, I find myself hating that character more and more every new episode. I can't get exited about scenes like the last one because I will be able to figure out everyone moves in the next episode into the first 5 minutes of it, because again the writters won't persue anything new.

superpyscho
02-16-2006, 09:53 PM
I give this episode a 4/10, kinda boring.

Good
Cool black actor
Lana getting in an accident
Lana in pain
Lana suffering
Clark taking out the two 'swat' guards
Lex's awesome evilness, he was really good
Clark kicking physician ass
Johnathan Kent's picture!
Lionel truly having proof of Clark
Lionel saying "Kal-El"

Bad
Senator Martha w/o any security?
Martha's squeamish reaction to the phone call, for god's sake, she's a Senator now.
Clark confronting Lex about Syntec
Lana and Clark's last scene , pointless
Martha's last scene, stupid, I'm sick of her crying
Barely any cyborg special effects
Lame character background for cyborg
No Lois!
Huh?
Clark still calls Lana a GF?

Vatusia
02-16-2006, 09:59 PM
:lol: Not a Lana fan I take it, superpsycho?

Slimrickc
02-16-2006, 09:59 PM
I really liked this episode because in past episodes like run or aqua. Clark was learning to use his abilities in different ways. Like too have fun with his powers and too think worldly with his abilities. But in this episode clark taught victor that being different was ok and that he can use his new abilities to help people also that ending was amazing.

abarsami
02-16-2006, 10:01 PM
One of the best episodes this season. It had a season finale flare to it.

Clark and Cyborg jumping off the roof at the same time was cool.

Seems like they were trying to end Clana in a nice sort of way.

BadToad
02-16-2006, 10:19 PM
I liked it. Not my favorite, but a fun episode with a very Superman-ly Clark.

charmedchick
02-16-2006, 10:21 PM
Hated it... The storyline was stupid.. the part of the episode i liked were martha and Martha/lionel scenes. This episode was just my cup of tee.

brainiacowen
02-16-2006, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by superpyscho
Martha's last scene, stupid, I'm sick of her crying
Lame character background for cyborg

She's a widow...widow's cry(usually because...their husbands have died!)

I actually like Cyborgs back ground. In the comics isn't just his father who brings him back after the accident? That's not cooler...

Son of Kal-El20
02-16-2006, 10:57 PM
I thought 'Cyborg' was really good. It was a lot better than last week's 'Tomb'. The acting and storyline was excellent. And the ending was one of the best this season. I did not expect that type of shocking ending for this particular episode.

All in all, this is one of the best Justice League guest star episodes in Smallville history. I give 'Cyborg' a 10/10.

-|loner|-
02-16-2006, 11:02 PM
i loved it.

Thompson was stunning doing the cyborg role. I especially liked the acting when he was in the loft looking at the news article on clarks computer. AM must have given him some good pointers.

I liked how the episode cut to the chase. There was clark confronting victor and gets thrown into the wall. Both know each other is different in the first couple of minutes, so they can spend the usual remaining 20 mins on something substantial.

I found the whole dvd player to be really predictable. I felt that lionel was behind the whole scheme the entire time. Glover didn't do quite as good an acting job as he normally does. When luthor paid off the middleman, it was clear that lionel was looking to use the secret to exploit martha now that she has the senate seat.

The clark and lana thing was typical. I think he finally broke it off though.

Ending was fantastic. Finally something we can pick at. I'm tired of hearing all of these manufactured rumors. Lionel knows clark is super.

Lex played a great part in the episode. It reminded me of the vile side he showed in aqua. The lying in front of clark to his face, and how he treated cyborg when he was restrained was just like ac curry. Lex is becoming evil...but lionel is proving he's after something much more powerful.

10/10.

vyperman7
02-16-2006, 11:18 PM
While this was not one of my favorite episodes, it was definately better than I thought it would be.

Obviously what made this episode so memorable was the ending. It makes you wonder if it is Lionel who knows the truth or "Lion-El". It was a great way to lead into the break too because it will create some buzz about the rest of the season.

I felt that Thompson did a fantastic job as Cyborg. Really top notch. His line delivery was great and overall he seemed to really be into the role. In fact, his performance was the best so far out of the guest heroes. Now Bart is still my favorite, and Run is in my top three in regards to all time favorite episodes. But Thompson came off as a better actor.

I also really liked the insight into Lex's character when he talking to the Cyborg character in the lab. Totally evil Lex.

There were things about this episode I disliked :

1) There wasn't enough action. The amount of scenes that Thompson had was minimal, and for a character that was supposedly on the run, he sure did an awful lot of sitting around. Now when there was action involved, it was first rate. I loved it when the two jumped off the building and the ground caved in. But not nearly enough action or displays of Victor's powers. Think about it. All we had was- the car crash scene, Victor throwing Clark into the building, and the dual jump. The reason I still feel Run is the best guest hero episode is we actually got to see Bart use his powers more than a few times.

2) I wanted more interaction. Clark spent so much time running around, that there really wasn't all that much interaction between the two. I really wish that in one of these episodes, they would have Clark do some power displays for the guest hero, instead of them just accepting he is different. The interaction was definately better than what we got in Aqua, but there still wasn't enough.

3) The Clana. Can't they just end it already. It really got on my nerves when Clark refered to Lana as his girlfriend.

4) How does Clark just continue to barge in to the mansion over and over? Can't Lex with all his resources afford better security?

This was definately better than Aqua, and it had things I really enjoyed. Thompson was awesome in the few scenes he had, fantastic ending, and great forshadowing of evil Lex.

I would probably give Cyborg a 4/5.

Kryptomaniac
02-17-2006, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by Tyrrath


I like where they're going with Lana's personality as well. She has basically taken on the same role Lex had in season 1 - of obsessive person alternately attached to Clark emotionally and filled with destructive, cat-killing curiosity about him. :D

Well said! Lana chasing Clark now. Kinda pathetic but what a switch. KK was pretty good in this ep.

Only thing wrong with CYBORG was that it was too short. I just thought the team blew it. Afterall, the dude playing CYBORG was terrific but his guest role wasn't utilized to full potential.

And they are making Martha's character DUMB. One week she's going to the mission in the worst part of town AT NIGHT to drop off her dead husband's clothes and ends up getting mugged, then this week she's too stupid to realize Lionel's motives and is in such a panic she meets with a blackmailer AT NIGHT, ALONE. This is NOT the Martha Kent I want to see.

A security camera able to catch Clark moving that fast? I don't think so.

But I LOVED this ep for so many reasons and hope CYBORG makes a return trip. At least he had a happy ending which you don't see too often in SMALLVILLE.:) :D

Rating 4.5 out of 5; minus .5 because, obviously, Shelby the dog has been killed off along with Jonathan.:confused: :)

constancelight
02-17-2006, 12:21 AM
I truly enjoyed this episode. It had heart, wit, humor, and action.

Thompson did an excellent job potraying Victor.

Could have used a little more Chloe, but then again, I can see why she wasn't needed in this episode.

I'm so glad that Lex wasn't fawning over Lana. He was proactive and becoming his evil future self.

The episode was written well, not too many plot contrivances, and also the directing and lighting was great.

All in all another great episode for season 5.

SamBanksJLA
02-17-2006, 12:51 AM
This episode was a whole lot better then Vengence, or the last 30 minutes of Reckoning. I figured Tomb would suck, so I didn't watch last week. But this was better than all those.

I am getting fed up with this whole Clex thing though. I wish Lex would just go all out evil, instead of doing this same old crap, with sidestepping Cleks questions, and all that stuff.

shattymcpants
02-17-2006, 12:54 AM
I'm just still confused about the cyborg/teen titan continuity
clashing with smallville...unless we assume that clark is one
of the other variations of superboy (Black shirt, superman
emblem and jeans)

Drew
02-17-2006, 03:34 AM
Awesome episode, you can clearly see the writings getting better, and the budget getting larger (thanks to higher ratings no doubt). Cyborg storyline was pretty good, but the Martha & Lionel storyline made this episode. Those two are such great actors, and their onscreen chemistry is amazing.

Your secrets safe with me Kal-El. PERFECT

Spindrift
02-17-2006, 04:44 AM
I thought it was basically lame-o, BUT that ending was AWESOME!

Ciao!

smallvilleobsessor17
02-17-2006, 05:25 AM
In the previews it seemed like the dumbest thing in the world, but then I watched it and I actually liked it!

CallMeClark
02-17-2006, 06:07 AM
I have to agree, it was a little boring... Overall I would say 8/10.

T'Pol
02-17-2006, 06:41 AM
I was very good except for the Clark/Lana interaction. Ugh! Enough already!! I really wish they would introduce a new love interest for Clark.

tw190
02-17-2006, 07:03 AM
I've already posted here... but I am getting so sick of the secrets, lies, honesty crap from Lana every other week. That was the only part I didn't like about this episode. :p

Fly by guy
02-17-2006, 07:05 AM
Best since Solitude. 8 of 10. Wish Victor or Clark had told Lana it was Lex that had the bionics done. The story was enough without going over the top. Thank goodness no Lexana.

greggbray
02-17-2006, 07:06 AM
"I'm just still confused about the cyborg/teen titan continuity
clashing with smallville...unless we assume that clark is one
of the other variations of superboy (Black shirt, superman
emblem and jeans)"

Smallville doesn't fit with any other variation of the comics, cartoons, films, or television programs. It's its own animal.

For the sake of argument, we can assume that Clark, at this point, is 'Superboy.' So, all the other characters being young isn't that much of a stretch. I mean, if they introduce a Clark-age Dick Grayson I may groan, but other than that, it's its own story, so some clashing may occur.

GREAT episode though. Best since Solitude, no doubt.

Liriel
02-17-2006, 07:32 AM
Tyrrath, I didn't think of TNG at all. I love TNG, and I love "The Offspring", but I hate that emotion chip so very much (and they repeated the mistake with Seven, IMO).

I liked this ep. Not sure what's going on with Lionel/Lion-El. I'm hoping fervently that Martha isn't really buying his lines, though, as I'd lose a lot of respect for the character if she is.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in both "Tomb" and "Cyborg" someone "on the run" is hiding out at Clark's place? And Martha doesn't talk to them? I mean, Chloe was in her house. It's like TPTB think Clark's room and the barn are five miles from the rest of the house.

adam_n_me
02-17-2006, 07:33 AM
i liked the episode. since i'm not a comic book fan i was sure exactly how cyborg (the character) should have been written/played, but i enjoyed that aspect of the episode.

anyone else hoping that lana would die from that head injury? j/k but seriously...

Clana is dead. Accept it and let's move on.

Mrs.Bizzaro
02-17-2006, 08:28 AM
i didnt like it that much...the ending was great...

but, here are a few things that i didnt like:

cyborg's acting was subpar.
he really didnt resemble the cyborg from the comic books which didnt bother me that much but whatever.
ma kent's trust in lionel...she knows the guy has agendas and has done wrong in the past...why trust him so much....plus, she knows jonathan would never approve of all that involvement with him - i know she's widowed and all, but martha is much stronger than that to be putting that much faith in lionel.
the set up lionel did to martha - saw it coming a mile away, but maybe that's because of watching this show from day one.
lana and clark's relationship - i liked clana from the beginning and liked them together when they were (and they were sooo cute together too) but enough is enough...five seasons and this chick still doesnt know and he still plays the same games...even Mrs.B must say: just break up already!
no lois...:(
little chloe time...:(
even evil lex was a little...ehhh.

overall grade: C+ (but only cause the ending made up for a lot)

Summers
02-17-2006, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by cayayofm
The show has not surprises at all, with plot moves that you can see from 10 miles away. Lex is evil!.... no surprise, is the same dance since season 1. I knew he was directly linked and knew everything from the star. Lionel helping Martha just to get the video that was sent to her, I saw this since the video arrived. There is nothing fresh, Lana and Clark in the I love you but you hide things from me. Lex trying to put out a face for Clark and the writters desperate to find a plot for Martha. I just get irritated everytime Lex opens his mouth, I find myself hating that character more and more every new episode. I can't get exited about scenes like the last one because I will be able to figure out everyone moves in the next episode into the first 5 minutes of it, because again the writters won't persue anything new.

I agree with that. I found it predictable even the ending with Lionel. I mean we knew since "Transference" all they way through Lionel knew. I don't how this is suprising :lol:. I don't mind if Lex is evil, but there was no transition and putting him in all black clothes don't cut it. I am getting tired of using Lex anytime they want for contrived experiments we heard nothing about until that episode occurs. I just don't buy it because of that. Ironically people say "Lex is EVOL" because he played God and didn't ask Victor. Well that's how Clark been nearly all season, and he played God in "Reckoning". The only difference is their intentions, but they both did the act for selfish reasons.

The in-emotional chip has been done before. I swear I thought I was watching scene out BtVS "Primeval" with Forrest and Riley(though there was no chip involved but been turned into a robot/human/demon hybrid would did just that) because the lines were so similar with Lex and Victor, or something out of TNG. The dialogue was just too similar to other shows for me to even like that scene.

Lee was great actor, but was underused. We barely saw any interaction with Clark. It was like he was just there for the sole purpose to promote more Clana and Lexana. He was drastically underused, and so was his powers. We know they downsized their budget, and the past two episodes emphasized(and S5). I would have liked see more of Victor's strength. I mean that's what wirework is for :lol:. Everything doesn't have to be CGI lol.

k18
02-17-2006, 09:24 AM
I really liked this episode. It was much better than last week's bomb! The last 5 minutes was definitely worth it. Can't wait until the show comes back in March. Great cliffhanger ending.

Samiosam
02-17-2006, 09:41 AM
I liked it, but than i didn't like it. I mean I hate to think that Lex is gonna fullfill his duty to be the devil of the world. I want him to be nice. Not that much Chloe!But I liked how Clark said her name like alot even though she wasnt with him. The Lana and Clark thing is getting on my nerves.


Lovedthat Lional knows there secret. He begening to seem like a little softy to me. The Martha and Lional thing is so cute. Loved the guy who played Cyborg! Great acting thats what kept me watchingthat episode.

Oh yea wasnt that girl whon played his girlfriend was the girl who played Mandy in the episode 'Truth' thats what seemed to me=)


Great episode!!!!!!!!

Nerial
02-17-2006, 10:25 AM
I enjoyed this episode more than I thought I would.

The Good:

1) Seeing Clark confront Lex, and actually be right about it.
2) The guy playing Victor did wonderful for a guest role.
3) The dialogue was so much better than Aqua.
4) Seeing the X-ray version of Victor look like the comic was a good idea.
5) The inner-conflict with Victor thinking he's just a thing, and how it relates to Clark's own issues.
6) Anything dealing with experimentations is just freaky.
7) Going to Martha--the whole blackmail issue.
8) Lionel's last line was a perfect way to end this chain of new episodes.

The Not-So-Good:
1) No enough action. I know, budget and all that, but I really would love to see Clark do something that takes more than two seconds.
2) Coincidences. Personal pet-peeve of mine: first, Lana is the one to hit Victor, and then, Clark knows him (at least by reputation). Annoying.
3) The blackmail, while creepy and interesting to see how Martha takes it, was predictable. You knew Lionel was behind it!
4) Martha calling Lionel her friend. Yeah, I know, Clark told her that Lionel changed after Transference, but geez! He's evil, Martha! Evil!

The Ugly:

Lionel hitting on Martha. Eeewwww.....

I give it an 8.5 out of 10. Which means, it was good. :)

Snarky
02-17-2006, 10:57 AM
Fantastic ending. Average epsiode.

Writers--Do not make Martha stupid. She's always been extremely intelligent. She's grieving, but she's not about to fall for Lionel's lies and subterfuge. This has so much potential to be an outstanding, intriguing storyline. Also a little more subtly with Lex's evilness. The anvils are giving me a headache.

END THE CLANA!!! Writer's please hear us END IT! :rolleyes:

mild_mannered
02-17-2006, 11:02 AM
I really liked it. Made up for last week in a big way.

MBCorp
02-17-2006, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Summers
Ironically people say "Lex is EVOL" because he played God and didn't ask Victor. Well that's how Clark been nearly all season, and he played God in "Reckoning". The only difference is their intentions, but they both did the act for selfish reasons.


Wow, good catch, Mel! You're right about that, Clark was playing god in Reckoning just as much as Lex was in this episode.

aoa4life
02-17-2006, 12:10 PM
My question is about the whole lionel marha thing is why hasn't clark found out about it yet....she should let him know that he's been coming around....i am hoping that lionel dies a horrible painful tragic death...anyone else think that Lex is going to kill Dad or have him killed?

sdcheesehead
02-17-2006, 12:15 PM
I thought this episode was one of Smallville's best episodes. So much going on, and the cliffhanger they left us with!!! This left me soooo confused!!! Okay, this is what I thought.

The actor that played Victor/Cyborg (Lee Thompson Young) did a great job. I loved the interaction between him & Clark. The "Milk does the body Good" was great. I loved it when the doctor told Victor to "just relax, Victor" and Victor's says "I'll relax when you put that drill away". That was just what I was thinking (with some more colorful words included). The Dual jump was AWESOME!!! The indentations should raise some questions.

I really enjoyed watching Lex & Clark going at it. It seems like the evil Lex is starting to emerge, and Clark is becoming more of a man, and not backing down. Lex must go through security personal like money, because Clark is still getting through and barging in on Lex at the mansion, or maybe he has just given up on preventing Clark from entering his house. When Lex shows up at Victor's GF house, and at Cybertech, this reminded me of Aquaman (Evil Lex...bring it on!!!).

Now, what's going on with the Clana thing. I thought Lana wanted a break, but every since the funeral, she's been following Clark around. Granted, she's tried to help him come to grips with Jonathon's death, finding the watch and locating Victor's GF. But lately she's been saying her "I love you's, but..."(secrets and lies). How much does she know about Clark? Did you notice her expression when she was in the DP, in the conversation with Clark, Chloe & her, about keeping secrets. It was almost like she knew Chloe knew more than her. She also didn't flinch when Clark went speeding off, while she was calling the police. I truly believe Clark still has feelings for Lana and for a moment last night, I thought he was going to tell her the truth, but than I realize that I don't think he'll ever tell her, so where does this leave their situation? I really don't care who TPTB match Clark with, be it Lana, Chloe, Lois or nobody, but they need to do something. If Lana is to know the secret, tell her!! Otherwise, move on, because the relationship will never work, and Clark needs to move on to become the "Superman" we know he is.

Now, onto Martha. Why doesn't she talk to Clark? Lately, she has become more secretive and making "stupid" moves, this isn't Martha. Why doesn't she talk to Clark about the blackmail package. If Clark would've seen the picture, he would've been the best person to know where the pic was taken, and possibly who was behind it (Lionel). Instead, she falls into Lionel's trap. She's trusting him to take care of the blackmailer, without finding out why she was being blackmailed. Yeah Right!!! She's worked for Lionel, and has witness enough to tell her not to trust this man. She meets the blackmailer at night, and Lionel just happens to show up. Crazy!!! and where did she get the money? Now, is this the same picture that was shown to Jonathon, which caused him to fight Lionel, and eventually have his heart attack?

Now onto to Lionel. Who is he? Is he Jor-El, Lionel or Lion-el? Will the real Lionel Luthor please stand up? I was confused back in Vengence, when he address Clark as his son, and Clark doesn't react and now he knows his birthname. Is this some kind of test Jor-El is putting the Kents through, especially Martha? If Jor-El is inhabiting Lionel's body, did he show the pic to Jonathon to cause his heart to race, which eventually killed him. Is Jor-El testing Martha, with the picture, to see if she is strong enough to keep Clark's secret? He didn't accept the blackmail money, and led her to believe everything had been taken care of.

Another thing I wondering. Do you think it's possible Brainaic is inhabiting Lionel? After watching this, I have so many unanswered question, and it's going to be a long 6 weeks until the next episode. I still loved this episode, it left me looking forward to April.

ClLaLeChFAN01
02-17-2006, 12:22 PM
I really like it...

However.....

I just want Clark to tell Lana about him and he wont. Which I dont get, is he afraid that she will get hurt or die? He has seen that she will accpet him for who he is. I just dont get it.

I like the Lionel and Martha scenes, even though I dont want Martha to buy into Lionels lies. I dont think that she will "fall for him" she is way too smart for that. Is just brings a freshness to the show.

The Cyborg scenes were really good, but i felt that they were missing something. I dont know what.

I will give it my 2 thumbs up!!!!

CallMeClark
02-17-2006, 12:23 PM
Clana's tragic end will not come until the end of this season. Come on, we all know this.

clark25
02-17-2006, 01:45 PM
Hey guys I really enjoyed this episode a
whole lot and it was a lot better then
(Auquaman episode) that was on a few
months ago and to.The ending was great
I got goosebumps when Lionel said I
know your secret KA-EL it sounded more
like Jor-el talking threw lionel.And to I
wonder if we won't see Cyborg again
I hope so anywho I enjoyed it a
whole lot better then last week's
epy

Number1Killerbee
02-17-2006, 01:57 PM
I thought it was a great episode!!! Im pretty bummed that another episode wont be on air until April but a great episode to start the break with. At the end Lana leaves looking devasted so it makes me think that Clark broke up with her. I can hardly wait to see the next epi.

bobser
02-17-2006, 02:09 PM
I enjoyed this weeks episode. Though its focus was on another hero, the acting (though KK was a tad...unconvincing) was solid. We see Clark making direct decisions to help another, being thrust (even as Cyborg said) in a heros role, as well as openly confronting Lex and finally from the position as the good guy. Lex actually was bad! He was behind it all, we saw it directly, Clarks accusations were not baseless, there wasn't some weird circumstance or angsty relationship involved...!

Lex actually had Cyborg hunted down, shot, pulled back into the lab, was going to wipe his emotions, lied to Clark, lurked in the shadows...

It was a villainous Lex and heroic Clark, which as pretty refreshing to see.

Lionel, or perhaps more accurately Lion-el is a surely going into an unknown direction. I find John Glovers acting very well played which only enhances the way the character is being scripted. I hope they don't run Martha all the way through with having a romantic affair with character, whoever may be inhabiting Lionels mind (himself, Jorel, Brainiac...who the heck knows) but am curious to see how that subplot pans out and Lionels true intent.

I also enjoyed the part where Lana, in her typically subdued and burdened way, professes a love for Clark. The good part of this scene was Clarks steely response to her. "I've always loved you like before and always will". For once, his eyes weren't all teary and wussed up, but he had a steely Superman style of delivery for her. You could feel the arctic cold from his seemingly emotionless response, it shocked her and sent her running off. Finally it seems he may be maturing as a character and putting his youthful emotions in check in lieu of more important things, which is exactly what the writers need to do.

Also, more Chloe in her great blouses. The girl is flat out beautiful.

smallvillerocks45
02-17-2006, 02:12 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. It was well paced, it was fun (that double jump was awesome!), and it left me wanting more.

First off, Lex's ability to stare someone in the eyes and just lie is amazing to me. I am really liking the transition to "bad" Lex. I always thought that it would be impossible for me to dislike Lex or see him in a negative light, but nope...MR is just that great of an actor. He can make you like him (Lex) and hate him all at once.

Second, I hope Victor/Cyborg returns. Lee Thompson Young did an excellent job! The fact that Cyborg is my all time favorite Teen Titan helps, but the acting is what really hooked me. I could almost feel Victor's internal pain as he tried to remain human despite his artificial innards. Plus, he had excellent chemistry with Tom Welling. I mean, Clark and Victor developed a mini-friendship, and I totally bought it. The acting wasn't forced or uncomfortable in the least bit, IMO.

There were so many good moments in this episode. The only bad thing about it, is that it's the last new episode that we're going to see for a while.

LLJ
02-17-2006, 02:30 PM
This was the first time I channel surfed during the airing of a new episode. I thought it was boring and predictable also.

FallenStar
02-17-2006, 02:51 PM
I though it was a terrific episode!

One of my favorites, what won me over was the ending...I cant WAIT for april!!!

I loved the cyborg and mionel storylines, suprisingly

I turned it on expecting a C or D+ episode, but I left it with an A rating

id give it an A+, but Clana pisses me off

CallMeClark
02-17-2006, 03:27 PM
And the tension between Clark and Lex could be cut with a knife right about now. But when will they actually not like each other? I am ready for bad Lex. I mean that was the catch phase (Good Sex. Bad Lex.) but we have not seen it to the extent we wanted!

FallenStar
02-17-2006, 03:29 PM
I have to guess it'll be this season , although, in my opinion, the hate eachothers guts. . .

(that was such a stupid catch phrase)

NotTodayPete
02-17-2006, 04:11 PM
I found it pretty boring. The writers need to recapture the magic of the past like in Flash. Even Aquaman and clark had an interesting bond and dynamic. They didn't use Cyborg's abilities much at all. The Clana theme is tired. The best part was with Martha and Lionel. Ovarall, this season's poorest episode, IMO, but definitely not an "Ageless"

Damali
02-17-2006, 05:09 PM
I enjoyed this episode. It was slightly better than average....but what I really liked was the ending and the whole.....Lionel/Jor-El? saying I will protect your secret Kal-El.... I didn't expect for him to say that.

Platinum9703
02-17-2006, 07:04 PM
4 out of 5 IMO.

I just thought the whole episode was great especially the end.

Definitely one of my favorite episodes of the season.

dhacker615
02-17-2006, 08:40 PM
Not sure why all the complaints about this episode. To my mind it was a slightly above average 'Smallville'. Very little huge happened, but very little bad did either.

The Good:
1) Lee Thompson Young was very good as Cyborg. SV has gotten better at casting other DC heroes each time IMO. Vic Stone was always lineman sized in the comics, but going against type a bit really worked.
2) The reaction from Lana to Chloe & Clark. She knows Clark is keeping a secret from her and she figured out that Chloe knows. I hope they pay this off.
3) The Lex-Clark rivalry stepping up a level. TW and MR didn't seem comfortable with this stuff earlier, but they've really found the right tone of betrayed trust.
4) The subtle nod to the look of the Cyborg character in the comics by Clark X-Raying him. That was very clever. Too bad they had nothing else visual worked out.
5) The ending. Is Jor-El still possesing Lionel? Does Lionel now know everything? Lots of questions.

The Bad:
1) This has been said before, but Martha suddenly trusting Lionel is a random 180 for the character. I am afraid with JK off the show, the writers are uncertain what to do with MK. Hence, the State Senate, etc.
2) I like that Clark and Lana are still nominally 'together', but they need to clean it up a little. I mean, no way she dumps him after his Dad dies. But, they cannot have one borderline break-up scene every single week.
3) Ummm ... there is no consistent theme to the various Lex-Lionel-Luthorcorp experiements. It might help if the tied some these plot points together. I am not asking much, just a quick "the robotics are based on the space ship you had us studying", or a nod to the back from the dead stuff Lionel was doing a couple seasons ago. Perfect would be some "Uh-oh, that's what Lex has been up to" moments, but that is probably too much to ask.

The Requests:
1) More mildly comic Chloe and Clark moments. They are funny together. She knows about his powers. This is an under used angle, which is rare for a show in its fifth year. Come on, just X-Ray Vision jokes could make an episode.
2) Less freedom in the Daily Planet please. Chloe is an intern, right? Why can she just randomly bring her friends in during the work day? Also, doesn't Perry White work there? Where is the Micheal McKean cameo? Better would be a Perry-Lois scene.
3) For the next DC character, what about the Legion of Super-Heroes? They have a long tradation with the Smallville-era Superman. Seen from a certain perspective, they are kind of creepy. I mean, a fan club from the distant future following you around?

thedarknight
02-17-2006, 11:15 PM
This episode was awesome. Pretty good plot, Lex is so bad now and Lion-EL is here. He has to either be Lionel with Krypotonian knowlege or Jor-El is acting through him. No other possible way he could know who Kal-El is.

greggbray
02-18-2006, 08:34 AM
"1) This has been said before, but Martha suddenly trusting Lionel is a random 180 for the character. I am afraid with JK off the show, the writers are uncertain what to do with MK. Hence, the State Senate, etc."

Remember that Martha once worked for Lionel, and was friendly with him. Yes, she turned her back on him after Clark's blood had been discovered, but Martha, herself, never had a problem with Lionel--it was JK.

I'm willing to overlook her trusting Lionel for the time being. After all, she is grief stricken and alone. Something this program has done quite well in the last few episodes is showing Martha's lonliness. She is alone in many shots, and several scenes. It gives her a feeling of isolation. Of course Lionel is going to swoop in, he's been wanting to since season 2. And, in her lonliness and grief, I can't hold her finding Lionel a friend a mark against her character.

Plus, I really enjoy the sentate angle. It's nice to see her character progress (we did see some background on her business prowess in season 2).

Liriel
02-18-2006, 08:40 AM
I can't overlook it. He's a murderer, and she knows it. He used electroshock on his own child. He switched bodies with her child even when it would have killed her child. He has a fifty-fifty shot at being her son's mortal enemy.

ISUZU
02-18-2006, 11:04 AM
I think this episode was one of the best in the season so far. We saw in this episode:

1) Clark becoming the hero and confronting Lex like he will in future years.

2) Lex really showing what he is and eventually become. Although the finishing line for Lex to become totally bad - is just one step away right now.

Only strange thing about this episode is the complex relation that is building up between Lionel and Martha. I dont quite understand this OR how much Lionel is Lionel/Jor-El. Personally I think Lionel is being controlled and has accepted the presense of Jor-El and that Martha is the person that Lionel needs to get close to if he is to have any relationship with Clark as the spirit of Jor-El Lurks inside him.

The other thing I liked about this episode is that it did not have the Kryptonite in it. I did at one stage think that Clark would fall to a collapsing state when he did his job to rescue Cyborg - as usually the substances being pumped into the 'Victim' of the week is a liquid form of Kryptonite. But I am glad that in this episode Clark was able to play the hero without the green green glow of home stopping him in his tracks.

I give it 9/10.

ChaaBreh
02-18-2006, 01:58 PM
Cyborg accomplished several things. By the way, I thought that actor that portrayed Victor Stone did a great job of showing various shades of emotion.

1) It's clear now that Lana knows that Chloe shares Clark's secret when Lana makes the remark at the Daily Planet that "is Victor going to keep lying to the woman he loves?" and then she sees the eye contact between Clark and Chloe in reaction to her remark.
2) Lex and Clark are now enemies and lie freely to each other. Lex has morphed into the evil man Clark has been accusing him of being.
3) Lionel has a secret identity and a split personality complex: Lionel and Lion-El. I first spotted it for sure in "Vengeance" after Clark rescued him from being thrown out of Luthor corp. Three sentences, alternating personalities. "Remarkable woman. Totally misguided" - British accent - Lion-El- "Why do I feel like you saved me more for her than for me"?- Lionel voice- "Whatever the case, thank you, SON" Lion-El British accent.
Now at the end when it is disclosed that Lionel probably set up the whole blackmail scenario and that he has the CD showing Clark holding Lana and saving her from the warehouse fire, and he says "your secret is safe with me, Kal-El" it is apparent that Lionel and Jor-El are both resident. That story line left us hanging for another 5 weeks until Smallville resumes on March 30th (sigh).
4) Lana has been more self-less in recent episodes. In "Vengeance" she makes a concerted effort to find Jonathan's watch at various pawn shops in Metropolis. In this episode, she finds Katherine and brings him to Victor. She sees that Victor is willing to confide his secret (part-bionic man) to her. She doesn't understand why Chloe knows Clark's secret and she, the woman he supposedly loves, doesn't. She appropriately asks him if he still loves her, after reaffirming to him that she loves him with all of her heart. He has backed off and doesn't even hug and kiss her anymore, treating her like a friend not a romantic partner. He replies woodenly to her that he "has always loved her and always will, no matter what happens".

Not making sense to her that a man who loves her won't open up to her, she leaves the barn, heartbroken.

I feel the last several episodes of Smallville have portrayed Lana in a more sympathetic light -a more selfless character who truly loves a man who won't open up to her. We know, as fans of the series, why he has backed off, but she doesn't.

It is inevitable that Lana will need closure to get over him. TPTB have stated that another character is on their way out. Candidates are:
Chloe - mental illness? Could be that "Tomb" is a set-up for that future story line...
Lana - goes back to Paris to get over Clark? (per the comics, she leaves town for many many years to try to get over Clark after he confides his secret to her)
Lion-el/Lionel - another person not in the adult Superman canon...perhaps with Brainiac coming back, something will happen there.

Anyway, there was a lot more going on in this episode than just another "Teen Titan" coming to town.....

dhacker615
02-18-2006, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by ChaaBreh
It is inevitable that Lana will need closure to get over him. TPTB have stated that another character is on their way out. Candidates are:
Chloe - mental illness? Could be that "Tomb" is a set-up for that future story line...

It makes sense. They have done a good job setting up the mental illness stuff with Chloe, so one would hope they paid it off. On the other hand, the Chloe-Clark dynamic has been a real treat this season. She was too often a wet blanket in Season 3 and it seemed plausible that they could kill her off. They got rid of Pete instead, which made the show a bit too female. However, since Alicia showed her Clark's secret, Chloe has been a constant treat.


Lana - goes back to Paris to get over Clark? (per the comics, she leaves town for many many years to try to get over Clark after he confides his secret to her)

Lana leaving Smallville after learning the truth about Clark is the right end point for their arc. More to the point, if Lana and Clark really do break up as a couple, then she is just taking airt time from someone with an active plot. That was a huge weakness in Season 4. If anyone goes, Lana is the most logical candidate.


Lion-el/Lionel - another person not in the adult Superman canon...perhaps with Brainiac coming back, something will happen there.

You have got to assume that the Lex-Lionel story ends very badly, so a murder here is always a possibility. However, there are already too few male regulars. The loss of Pete and JK leave Clark with no other men to turn to in his life. The loss Lionel makes Lex more one dimensional (i.e. Clark's rival).

greggbray
02-18-2006, 09:15 PM
I thought the character TPTB were hinting about was the sheriff. Is there another character on the way out?

ChaaBreh
02-19-2006, 08:48 AM
I thought I read in one of the many interviews that Al Gough gave about eppy #100 that another major character was on their way out. The sheriff died in eppy #99 and she really wasn't a major character (one who is in the opening credits every week).

Based on the active storylines going on, any of the ones I mentioned above are candidates.

greggbray
02-19-2006, 09:37 AM
Wow, that might be interesting. We'll see how it goes. :)

FallenStar
02-19-2006, 09:39 AM
oh lord, get ready for Season 5 deathwatch, Part II. . .

Fly by guy
02-19-2006, 11:17 AM
Cyborg was really good but the ratings don't show it. Since before Reckoning, Smallville has been receiving alot of press exposure but the numbers don't add up except for Reckoning. I realize everyone has their theory but here is mine. Too much angst and no Clana. Victor showed more emotions than Clark. Clark has been stiff, dumb, and dull. We've seen plenty of FOTWs and we've seen evil Lex. I think people want a resolution of Clana, makeup or breakup. No more round and round. Bring on DR. FINE, at least there is no guessing what he wants.

Watching Smallville
02-19-2006, 12:14 PM
I liked this episode a lot. It had all the elements that I love about the Smallville. I liked the principal story and the way it related to the main characters. Victor's story gave us more insight into Lex and his duplicity, and it also mirrored the relationship between Clark and Lana. The characters were smart instead of clueless, and purposeful about helping someone. The action was paced well. The camera work was great -- some of the scenes were just beautiful. And the special effects were fun.

Lee was a wonderful Cyborg. He had a warm, likable quality, his acting was good, and I thought the reaction of his character to his situation was believable. It's something I appreciated about SV when it first started -- treating the extraordinary situations as if they were really happening, and having people react in a believable way.

I'm out of patience with Clana, so I really didn't care what happened between Clark and Lana. It's become filler and a time waster for me in these episodes, so I was glad there wasn't too much of it in Cyborg. But I love the way Tom is playing Clark post Reckoning. He's so much calmer, more thoughtful, and it seems, more concerned about what goes on beyond his own little circle. It's a nice change, and Tom is playing it with a natural subtlety. I like it.

Lex is so wonderfully sincere when he's lying right in someone's face. MR couldn't have been better. His conflict with Clark is much more interesting now that he is plainly playing everyone and Clark openly distrusts him. I thought that when they lost their friendship, the complexity of their relationship would vanish, but it's even more intruqing.

Lionel is forever fascinating, and his friendship with Martha is touching. Every time I see Martha, I miss Jonathan, so Annette is playing her sadness and loneliness very well. I believe in good Lionel, so I'm glad someone is looking out for her, and I'm almost relieved to see him show up when she's in a scene looking so alone.

This episode made me feel good about the Smallville universe, so I give Cyborg a strong 4 out of 5.

Almontbball18
02-19-2006, 12:52 PM
This episode was very good, alot better then last week's Tomb. It was more upbeat, more involed.

Lionel is definitly Jor-El. There is no way for him to know the name Kal-El, and he is not one to say honestly to himself that Clark's secert is safe.

The whole Lana thing getting old. I've always have screamed at the TV for Clark to hook up with Chloe anyway but he knows that Lana will marry him, and he knows the danger in that. Yet the only person that has real suspisions of Clark is Lex. I think that if Chole can keep it hiden she knows, Lana can too. Since we know that will never happen, it's silly to get all excited about them breaking up becasue they are not getting back together despite i think it would work.

To Saber...i agree that smallville is hiding any direction, though i totally disagree with it not having it's identity anymore. Soon enough i'm sure the writers will begin to float to a more hero aspect and a Louis Clark thing will amerge.

AshyLarry
02-19-2006, 01:58 PM
This was a great episode. Lionel at the end was just mindblowing. I wonder where TPTB are taking this storyline?

gzzoom
02-19-2006, 02:40 PM
I really liked this one. I thought the guy that played Victor/cyborg was great!

Jeremy-El
02-19-2006, 06:48 PM
I thought the episode was great. I'm normally not all that crazy about the episodes that don't seem to do a whole lot for the story line, but the ones that have featured other superheroes are my favorite. The ending was great, but my favorite part was the interaction between Clark and Lex. That is getting more fun to watch every week.

attitudejc
02-19-2006, 10:26 PM
the only thing that actually sparked my interest was the last word.

Sweetie
02-21-2006, 01:51 PM
Martha and Lionel's storylines was very interesting and it was great to see Lex as the bad guy.Cyborg was good,I liked his interaction with Clark but,why the same boring storyline like Clana.I'm SO tired of it!!!I hate how Lana played teacher with this poor guy.Now she's an expert on relationships when hers his falling apart.

Craig-El
02-22-2006, 11:22 AM
Generally i really liked the episode. I thought the main cyborg story could have been stronger but the actor chosen to play Victor Stone was excellent and will hopefully be seen again. Lana and Clark's relationship confuses me i thought they broke up in Reckoning but i really think it's seen it's day now. The ending flabbergasted me for want of a better word, it's too bad it won't be back till the end of March cos i can't wait to find out what happens next.

Interesting point did anyone notice that in the scene where Lionel visits Martha he was framed in bright light almost making him appear righteous or angellic or something. I just thought it was an interesting piece of suggestive comedy.

Smallville Dominator
02-22-2006, 11:49 AM
This one was really good. I mean they"re all good but since Reckoning the shows seem to get better and better. I think that this is the best episode where a character is intruduced that isn't from Smallville.

Fly by guy
02-22-2006, 01:18 PM
This was a strong episode and I think it would have had Aqua type ratings if it had come earlier in the season instead of say, Thirst or Exposed or even Lexmas. Truly forgetable shows.

RJLCyberPunk
02-22-2006, 07:37 PM
I liked this episode, the introduction of other superheroes is always cool.
I give a 6 out of 10 easy...

smallvillerocks45
02-24-2006, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Craig-El

Interesting point did anyone notice that in the scene where Lionel visits Martha he was framed in bright light almost making him appear righteous or angellic or something. I just thought it was an interesting piece of suggestive comedy.

I did notice that! It was very funny, considering that Lionel is far from angelic, yet he was surrounded by white light, as though he were there to save the day. :lol: I can't wait to see what's in store for the future. I have a feeling it's all going to be very exciting.

loislane123
02-25-2006, 01:57 PM
Not my favorite, but it definetely wasn't worse than some others I have seen. The Cyborg storyline was okay, but I liked the backstory... and the whole Martha/Lionel thing that was going on...what a jerk Lionel is... I hated the Clana thing... almost barfed... they just need to decide where they're going with that. All in all, I think it was alright. The ending was GREAT though.

clana20
02-28-2006, 12:15 PM
It was a good episode. I liked how they tied in all the stuff about cyborg and his girlfriend and how it was just like clark and lana. If he would have just told her I would have been happy. Then clana fans and people who just want to see something finally happen or get over between the 2 of them would have been happy.

kate123349
03-04-2006, 03:19 PM
OMG That was soo great i loved it, especially the ending! HE said that secret is safe with him!! Thats soo cool now there is this whole new thing opening! I think the next episode is going to be great too!

Shadow09
03-04-2006, 07:20 PM
I Liked the ep a lot, some good tension between Lex and Clark once again... um... Dang I forgot what else I wanted to say. . . haven't seen the ep in a week.

Oh the talk with Victor and Clark about being honest to the one you love, the references with Lana knowing a bit more then we are led to believe... oh yea... some good moments in this ep for sure.

F-Stop Blues
04-18-2006, 09:19 PM
I was really down on this ep the week before it aired but it is one of my favorite this season and it really holds up to multiple viewings. Glad they brought back the opera music. :)

chloeloveclark
04-26-2006, 05:06 PM
it was kind of a good bordering boring kind of episode for me.

i guess im just fed up of those episode where lana is always asking clark's help and she had an accident again, but then she is alright that fast and fully recovered..victor crashed her car and she has only some small wounds on her forehead?? kinda lame for me.

i wanted more scenes for chloe not necessarily with clark because most of the time clark will just go to chloe for being his personal search engine;)

the last scene made me think for a while and sends a shiver to my spine....my friend and i had some discussions on how lionel knew kal-el is also clark but then we are just explaining the scene but no definite answer for that.

super stewie
05-22-2006, 07:49 AM
i thought the story line of cyborg was lame i mean it was hyped up really big and just didnt pay off for me. but i liked the lion-el and martha scenes through the episode but still i expected more

christian_kryptonian
06-09-2006, 12:31 PM
SWWWWEET! This episode was one of my favortes on the season and I'm definately voting for Lee Thompson Young in guest stars when the Kryptonsite awards come around.

ajwsmallville
07-22-2006, 10:28 AM
Looooooooooooooooooved it! I loved the scene where the cyborg dude and his girlfriend were hugging and Clark and Lana were just standing there! I would give it a 4 out of 5 stars.

Redemption708
09-28-2007, 11:11 PM
This episode was great.

open2freaks
04-24-2008, 02:42 PM
I mean when I first saw it I did not like it, but when I saw it again I thought it was was cool! I understood it then!:cool:

jesslang
05-13-2008, 07:16 AM
i thought it was cool when clarky X-Rayed him :)

Doomsday911
11-15-2008, 05:35 PM
i thought it was cool when clarky X-Rayed him :)
agreed

lana 9
02-07-2009, 07:16 PM
i give it a 9 love it

Ginx
06-10-2009, 07:33 PM
I had forgotten how many times Clark would burst into Lex's house and just start accusing him of stuff :lol:

Nimkong
02-28-2010, 06:41 PM
This episode is good but not on my top.Liked cyborg(hes one of the best superheroes,liked the plot and liked how lex was the bad guy again

SGuthrie27
08-22-2010, 02:01 PM
I appreciated the character of "Cyborg" a lot more when I re-watched this episode, and I can understand now why they've included him in the JLA in several episodes. I did feel like a lot of the scenes in which they made the analogy between him and his girlfriend to Clark and Lana seemed a bit heavy-handed, but I guess that was supposed to be their big last "hurrah" before all the horrific hoopla that followed in "Hypnotic." I was actually surprised by how dark Lex was in this episode, in how he betrayed Clark's trust and was about to turn Cyborg into a fairly emotionless drone. All in all, I will give this episode 8 bionic enhancements out of 10 for a pretty cool superhero intro episode!

Caught_In_The_Sun
09-25-2010, 01:09 PM
From memory...8. Good ep.

Mackenzie Gray as Dr. Alistair Kreig is great!