Its becoming pretty obvious

[vikingjedi]

That Chloe is the right woman for Clark. I would really like to see them end up together. And maybe they will if the Chloe/Lois theory is correct. Its the only thing that makes sense.

[tec611]

the whole Chlark issue is pretty upsetting for me. The writers have written their relationship so it would be really hard to not root for them not only to hook up, but to be together in the end. Its obvious how much he cares about her, and its more obvious how much she cares about him and how she seems to be the ONLY decent friend he has and what she would do for him to keep him safe. The fact that she has spent 5 years pinning for him and taken us along with her has made it harder knowing she wont get him in the end. She will loose him to someone else...again.

I know he and Lois are meant to be, and im actually a Clois shipper also...but why why WHY keep pushing the Chlark when we know it wont happen! and if it does, its doomed. Poor Chloe has been through enough!

[Netmaster]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
That Chloe is the right woman for Clark. I would really like to see them end up together. And maybe they will if the Chloe/Lois theory is correct. Its the only thing that makes sense.

It doesn't make sense. There is no Chloe/Lois (or Chloe=Lois).

There is only one Lois Lane in Smallville (according to Al Gough and Miles Millar), and she's being played by Erica Durance. Ericas character is going to be the one that eventually falls for Superman/Clark and marries him. Both Al and Miles have confirmed it.

Chloe will not become Lois Lane in any way, shape, or form and the series creators have been very clear about that (just look up some of their interviews on the Lois character). Lois is still growing into the Lois Lane we all know, she's just not there yet.

Chloe is not and will not be Lois. Sorry, it's just not going to happen. :rolleyes:

[-|loner|-]

eventhough clark will end up with lois, it sure would be nice to see him have a 'part time' relationship with chloe while lana is out of the picture.

they need to finish what they started in S1.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by Netmaster
Chloe is not and will not be Lois. Sorry, it's just not going to happen. :rolleyes:

That would just be, well, wrong. :p

The way to salvage the series:

1) Get rid of the Talon. That was Lana's cause.

2) Have Lois move into that big empty Kent house (with MK away alot with all her senator duties).

3) Throw in a small sliver of Red K (or my new Kryptonite 12+).

4) Let the fun begin.

Pinky and the Brain can do whatever. As Pinky has been ruined forever for any other man.

[Netmaster]

Originally posted by -|loner|-
eventhough clark will end up with lois, it sure would be nice to see him have a 'part time' relationship with chloe while lana is out of the picture.

they need to finish what they started in S1.

Exactly. I see no good reason why Clark can't date Chloe for a while. I'm sure Lois has hooked up with other guys on Smallville (Aquaman is the one we know of right now though).

Why not have Clark date Chloe for a while? It's not against any rules.


Years later Lois can say "You remember when you were dating my cousin Chloe for a while? Well I never admitted it but I was a bit jealous of you two" Clark: "Well you don't have be jealous anymore because I only have eyes for you baby!":D

[tec611]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
That would just be, well, wrong. :p

The way to salvage the series:

1) Get rid of the Talon. That was Lana's cause.

2) Have Lois move into that big empty Kent house (with MK away alot with all her senator duties).

3) Throw in a small sliver of Red K (or my new Kryptonite 12+).

4) Let the fun begin.

Pinky and the Brain can do whatever. As Pinky has been ruined forever for any other man.

I disagree with this. First the show does not need to be salvaged, it is a GOOD SHOW. otherwise I wouldnt and I assume you wouldnt, be here discussing it. It already proved its worth. It has bad episodes, but it has very good ones too.

2. the Talon isnt all that bad. I agree they need to downplay time spent there and focus more on Metropolis. But ever since PPR moved out and took all her hideous sparkles, canopys, and eternally burning candles EVERYWHERE with her, its much more tolerable.

3. Lois should NOT move back into the Kent house for 2 reasons
a. they show needs to focus on Clark growing up and maturing with these new responsiblities without his father. And Martha needs to spred her wings now as well. The two of them together need to form a new relationship thats based more on reliance and support more than it was before. If Lois were to move in this would shift the directions of all three characters to much. Lois would get in the way of character development at home.
b. and B, Lois needs to get AWAY from the Kents more and focus more on Metropolis. If she moves back in for the 3RD TIME, her and Clark will be way to close and establish to much of a relationship. They shouldnt have to strong a connection now because that needs to come later along with everything else with them. As of now, them knowing each other is good enough. 'that'll do pig'

4. no more red k please. we have had 5 episodes with it already, and considering all it does is manage to get Clark naked it seems, we have Clark getting naked all on his own now

but I quite agree with you on the pinky thing. If ANOTHER man wants to be bulldozed by her NEVER being satisfied and having her grass is greener on the other side mentality, let them be morons.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by tec611
I disagree with this.

are you stalking me???? :p

if you read my post a little closer, you might see that i'm not being completely serious.

and how can you disagree with my Kryptonite 12+. You don't even know what it is! C'mon man! :p

[Netmaster]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
are you stalking me???? :p

if you read my post a little closer, you might see that i'm not being completely serious.

and how can you disagree with my Kryptonite 12+. You don't even know what it is! C'mon man! :p

Well, I knew you were only kidding.:D

[tec611]

well you cant really hear voice inflection through the internet and ive seen people write what they think would save the series and (have the most outlandish ideas ever BTW!) and be utterly serious.

yours seemed tonque in cheek but I wasnt sure haha

[Praxis]

The Chlois theory popped in to my head during this episode. As people were apparently switching bodies with Kryptonite, I was imagining Chloe dying but accidentally switching bodies with Lois just before the death...

[Deana]

It's obvious that she's his ultimate friend, but that's it.
My dreams of Chlark ended mid season four, with that episode when Chloe was under that lovespell. With a guy acting so uninterested when a girl is throwing herself at him, it was time for me to throw in the towel.

[constancelight]

but why why WHY keep pushing the Chlark when we know it wont happen! and if it does, its doomed. Poor Chloe has been through enough!


Seriously. They have a beautiful Chlark relationship, probably the healthiest relationship in SV, and thus makes it too easy to root for Chlark. It makes it feel completely horrible when they give Chloe the shaft once again.

[TARDIS Team]

I was screaming mad when Chloe said, “Let’s just be friends,” at the beginning of season 2, so I’m also of the opinion that Chloe is so much better for Clark than Lana. Then again, Lana is a selfish, self-absorbed, spoiled girl. Okay, so maybe the spoiled bit has worn off, but she’s still pretty self-absorbed. She can’t get over Clark keeping secrets, never mind the reasons he could be keeping them. She never puts the pieces together to realize that Pete left for a reason.

Anyway, Chloe is my favorite and she’s so innocent and cute ... all those times Clark and Lana have been all snuggly and happy, I just try to imagine it is Clark and Chloe and it always ends up looking so insanely cute.

[myankskent]

You're all missing the point. You keep saying that Chloe and Clark get along so well and they have a good relationship but that's because they are just friends. If they were more than friends then their relationship would be just as rocky as anyone's on Smallville. So given this, if any romantic involvement between Chloe and Clark occurs down the road then this show will turn into the ultimate soap opera which is what I do not want to see happen.

[bluelila]

I dont knw if i'm imaginig things, but when clark was in the hospital talking to chloe, i had the impression that he was in the verge of crying. Am i crazy or what?

[hickorylane]

Clark and Chloe have a relationship that just makes poor Lois look even worse. She isn't smart, tough, driven, etc, and she is a rotten friend.

The Chlark makes the Clois worthless. Poor Lois, second rate even in marriage. Oh well, don't like her anyway, so I don't care.

[lanakk1]

doesnt make sense at all because clark does not have a single bit of attraction for her.

[SoulCystic]

Originally posted by Praxis
The Chlois theory popped in to my head during this episode. As people were apparently switching bodies with Kryptonite, I was imagining Chloe dying but accidentally switching bodies with Lois just before the death...

I see Chloe dying, but maybe telling Lois the secret so Clarky won't be alone. In love with Clark till her dying breath Chloe is.

[Lara Lane]

Let's not make into another Chloe=Lois theory or this thread might get closed, please.

And I seriously don't think Chloe and Clark should get a relationship, albeit short because, what's the point? We all know that wouldn't last and the only one that would end up hurt would be Chloe. She has suffered enough because of him and she has managed to see him as a friend and is getting over him, or she wouldn't have allowed him to make her his "Krypto hag". What I mean is that now Chloe is comfortable enough with their friendship that she's able to talk with him about his relationship with Lana.

Why to make her go back all the way she's been through for a guy who doesn't love her? Seriously, Chloe doesn't need to hook up with the main character to have a spot light, she has it already.

Now of course Clark loves Chloe very much and she is his closest friend, she's saved him, kept his secret and been loyal to him. I think Clark sees her as a sister, maybe there were sparks in earlier seasons but they transformed into this great friendship they have now.

And BTW, bashing Lois' character won't make those facts go away.

[SoulCystic]

Originally posted by Lara Lane
Let's not make into another Chloe=Lois theory or this thread might get closed, please.

And I seriously don't think Chloe and Clark should get a relationship, albeit short because, what's the point? We all know that wouldn't last and the only one that would end up hurt would be Chloe. She has suffered enough because of him and she has managed to see him as a friend and is getting over him, or she wouldn't have allowed him to make her his "Krypto hag". What I mean is that now Chloe is comfortable enough with their friendship that she's able to talk with him about his relationship with Lana.

Why to make her go back all the way she's been through for a guy who doesn't love her? Seriously, Chloe doesn't need to hook up with the main character to have a spot light, she has it already.

Now of course Clark loves Chloe very much and she is his closest friend, she's saved him, kept his secret and been loyal to him. I think Clark sees her as a sister, maybe there were sparks in earlier seasons but they transformed into this great friendship they have now.

And BTW, bashing Lois' character won't make those facts go away.


For the record, I love all the womens of SV.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Lara Lane
And I seriously don't think Chloe and Clark should get a relationship, albeit short because, what's the point? We all know that wouldn't last and the only one that would end up hurt would be Chloe.

Going by that logic, there's no reason Clark should ever get with anyone (Lana included) besides Lois. But, as folks keep saying, Clark isn't Superman yet. And he isn't married to Lois yet. And it is possible for someone to truly love other people before finally settling down with their eventual life-mate.

There's no reason why Chloe and Clark couldn't have a genuine romantic relationship (in which both love each other), but it doesn't work out long-term (for whatever reason), they agree to a mutual split (so Chloe isn't necessarilly left devestated) and they still remain good friends.

Now I happen to not want to see Chloe/Clark because I don't trust the writers to do it as well as it could be done, without Chloe somehow getting the short end of the stick. But the writers wouldn't have to do it that way, and I'd love them to prove me wrong.


I think Clark sees her as a sister,

Xander saw Willow as a sister for a long time. That didn't stop him from eventually getting the hots for her.

Just saying that, "Well, he sees her as a sister" thing isn't a barrier. Not unless Chloe is actually Clark's sister. And I don't think even SV would try to pull of that particular plot twist.

[Lara Lane]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Xander saw Willow as a sister for a long time. That didn't stop him from eventually getting the hots for her.

Yeah, but Xander saw Willow first as a sister and then as a romantic interest, and in SV is was all the way around. It's easier to upgrade a relationship from friendship to attraction than an attraction to friendship and then back to attraction again. I really don't think that'd work out.

And how's that Buffy always makes her way into this forum? :D:D I liked the X-Files more!

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Lara Lane
Yeah, but Xander saw Willow first as a sister and then as a romantic interest, and in SV is was all the way around. It's easier to upgrade a relationship from friendship to attraction than an attraction to friendship and then back to attraction again. I really don't think that'd work out.

Says who? It happened to me. When it comes to romance, anything is possible, and the current state of a relationship has nothing to do with how it could be later on.

[FireFemme]

I think Chloe and Clark should get together in a relationship for a while. Maybe a couple years or so. And at the end, CHLOE breaks it off because her career and life is truly taking off and she realizes that Clark and her just don't belong together. Or maybe Chloe can fall in love with someone else. This way, if edLois IS the real deal (which I am not in favor of--go Chlois!) then that leaves room for her and Clark to develop a relationship because Chloe has 100% moved on.

[Lara Lane]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Says who? It happened to me. When it comes to romance, anything is possible, and the current state of a relationship has nothing to do with how it could be later on.

Says me :p ;)

And well, if a relationship goes from filial love to romance then back to filial love and again back to romance, then the most probable thing is that the relationship never went back to said flilial love but remained with an active attraction and UST present.

Maybe that's what happened to you, but currently, Clark has no attracttion toward Chloe in a male/female kind of way. It could be possible that Chloe still feels something for him, but Clark does not. Period, there's no mutual UST in that relationship.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Lara Lane
Maybe that's what happened to you, but currently, Clark has no attracttion toward Chloe in a male/female kind of way. It could be possible that Chloe still feels something for him, but Clark does not. Period, there's no mutual UST in that relationship.

And I'm saying you can't write anything off, not in real life or on a TV show.

But, hey, I'd be perfectly happy if they just remained friends, and all hints that Chloe still has feelings for Clark vanished. Still, it does tickle me all the reasons people can come up with for why two characters just can't possibly ever be together romantically. (I've been in fandom for a long time, so I've seen a lot of those "reasons".) So, I almost feel compelled to argue the other side. It's my way. :D

[Crazy4Smallville]

I think Chloe and Clark should date for a while - and then have Chloe let him go because she will realize that he's much bigger and has a bigger destiny to fulfill than just her. She already see's the potential in Clark - for what he already is and for what he can become. She's has been selfless up to this point. But, when/if Clark pursues her, she'll give into her hearts desire, until she realizes the world needs him more than she does - and she'll let him go, because her love for him will desire what's best for him.

She may even die in the process, but not without first giving him a little future advice - about how hard it would be for the woman he loves to have a relationship with him. For him to have compassion on her and never let her know the whole truth or else perfect that kiss of forgetfulness.

That way she would be 'a' love of his life - not necessarily 'the' love - Lois.

[FREAK4LLL:P]

Originally posted by Netmaster
It doesn't make sense. There is no Chloe/Lois (or Chloe=Lois).

There is only one Lois Lane in Smallville (according to Al Gough and Miles Millar), and she's being played by Erica Durance. Ericas character is going to be the one that eventually falls for Superman/Clark and marries him. Both Al and Miles have confirmed it.

Chloe will not become Lois Lane in any way, shape, or form and the series creators have been very clear about that (just look up some of their interviews on the Lois character). Lois is still growing into the Lois Lane we all know, she's just not there yet.

Chloe is not and will not be Lois. Sorry, it's just not going to happen. :rolleyes:

Makes sense to me. The ending to the series will suck any other way.

I agree that ur probably correct but that just makes AlMiles hacks. I mean Lois on SV has been done so poorly that I'd hope they're smart enough to take the name back, lol! I mean, Lois Lane is this..."average(at best)?!?"

Thank Heaven that Chloe is the Lois on SV(the way her character is used, not name or Chlois).

AlMiles trumped Lois Lane with a "new" character, lol. Lois Lane had a better, younger cousin? Who knew!? I'm not worrying about ships changing canon though. This Clark's an idiot often so it would figure he'd end up with one as well=ED!Lois.

On topic, AM was, again, worth watching:)

[Lara Lane]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
So, I almost feel compelled to argue the other side. It's my way. :D

Yeah, and isn't it fun?? :D:D

[FREAK4LLL:P]

Originally posted by tec611
I know he and Lois are meant to be, and im actually a Clois shipper also...but why why WHY keep pushing the Chlark when we know it wont happen! and if it does, its doomed. Poor Chloe has been through enough!

I thought it was obvious why there isn't any Chlark. TPTB are leaving Chlois open and Lois and Clark haven't been ok'd to have a romantic relationship on SV...I thought.

I mean, if Chlois came about, would you have wanted them to have dated at this age? I wouldn't. It would ruin Chlois more than introducing ED imo.

...then again, AM would make it all work, probably.


Originally posted by hickorylane
Clark and Chloe have a relationship that just makes poor Lois look even worse. She isn't smart, tough, driven, etc, and she is a rotten friend.

The Chlark makes the Clois worthless. Poor Lois, second rate even in marriage. Oh well, don't like her anyway, so I don't care.

Not even a close second rate. But one day, she will decide to become just like her awesome cousin and THEN she will be worth something.

LOL! Lois becomes a carbon copy of her cousin! How ironic!


Originally posted by Lara Lane
And BTW, bashing Lois' character won't make those facts go away.

Course not. That's why our bashing is usually factually based. Fact is, she's Lois Lane and her younger cousin outshines her in any way that means something.

Believe me, I loved Lois Lane b4 SV. If DC AND the movie team accept this Lois then she isn't what I thought and Chloe is.

Chloe>Lois. Out with the old.

[margroks]

The girl with the name hasn't got anything else and Chloe has always challenged Clark when Lana and now Lois never do. The rag on him and are otherwise worthless. Chloe has it all but the name. SHe's the real Lois in every way but that and a rose, as we all know, by any other name would smell as sweet.

[Nerial]

Originally posted by margroks
The girl with the name hasn't got anything else and Chloe has always challenged Clark when Lana and now Lois never do. The rag on him and are otherwise worthless. Chloe has it all but the name. SHe's the real Lois in every way but that and a rose, as we all know, by any other name would smell as sweet.

I'm just not quite getting this. Other than the journalism thing, I don't see Chloe and Lois having hardly any other personality traits.

They're both curious people (Chloe more so than Lois at this point), and they both obviously get something out of investigation and discovery. But, other than that, I just don't see it.

Chloe is an open book. She's sweet and funny, but her emotional armor is as thin as a paper bag. I'm NOT saying she's not a strong character--she is, and I love that she doesn't have to be this feminist-warrior woman to be strong. I think her love and talent for finding the truth in the world--the bizarre, specifically--is because she's such an honest person, she pushes to expose even the strangest discovery for what it really is. She can relate to honesty, and admires it.

Lois, on the other hand--you have to break the armor. She can be sweet and funny, but she's a fighter. This does't always work for her because inside that metal shield, she's a soft person. She thinks that showing that soft-side will expose her weakness, and when that armor breaks, there's no way to repair it. Her eventual love and talent for finding truth in the world will be because she's trying to crack open and expose the reality of things--knowing how it can be hiding behind its own armor, and allowing people to see it for what it really is. Because, no matter how strong Lois tries to be, she wants people she loves to see underneath her armor, and accept her.

Maybe that's just my opinion here.

That's why I always thought that Lois and Clark having little to no chemistry on the show (as a couple) made sense. They both have armor, but neither really realize it about the other. Clark's won't let anyone in to see all sides of himself; neither does Lois'.

In the future, I think Clark will realize that about Lois (she'll like Clark as a friend at first, but be head over heels for Superman) because she's a fighter with Clark and journalism, but all lovey-dovey with everything Superman.

[MyOwnSuperhero]

A Chlark - that ship that never quite makes it into the harbor, even though everyone knows it should...

I've been saying this for a long time now - in order to really end Clana and have Clark move on (and in a good direction, which means towards Clois) it only makes sense to put Clark with Chloe for a while. It would help him realize that he can have an honest relationship that isn't filled with tragedy and angst. It would certainly help him grow getting his head out of the pink Lana clouds. Plus, Clark needs to get moving on the Journalism front. Right now, he's just a cow pie shovelling college drop-out. He needs to get moving up in the world, and Chloe would be great to kick start that.

[hickorylane]

Bashing Lois with evidence isn't bashing, I think it is truthtelling. Chloe>Lois, in temperment, brains, loyalty, drive, passion, wits, etc.

The Chloe character is so perfect for Clark, whether comics canon say so or not. We may not ever see Chlark simply because it outshine the Clois, in energy, acting, with TW, in chemistry, etc.

I think Clark does see Lois as a sister though, he even asked about it in "Blank". He certainly doesn't see Chloe as his sister, the elevator scene in "Bound" and the kiss in "Blank" do confirm that. Poor Lois, second to her cousin, and not even a close second.

[SuperStupidPower]

Clark can only love those with the initials L. L.

[jimmyolsenblues]

We need a whole folder for shipper threads.

[muffinpeddler]

Originally posted by Netmaster
Exactly. I see no good reason why Clark can't date Chloe for a while. I'm sure Lois has hooked up with other guys on Smallville (Aquaman is the one we know of right now though).

Why not have Clark date Chloe for a while? It's not against any rules.


Years later Lois can say "You remember when you were dating my cousin Chloe for a while? Well I never admitted it but I was a bit jealous of you two" Clark: "Well you don't have be jealous anymore because I only have eyes for you baby!":D

Makes sense. we know Lois isn't a virgin, as evidenced in spell!:D

[ClarksGirl21]

I can't believe i'm saying this, but I really want Chloe to be with Clark too. I have always loved Clana, but now, ever since the 100th episode, Lana gets on my nerves.

[10-5-4-9]

The entire Chloe forum has no problem with that.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by SuperStupidPower
Clark can only love those with the initials L. L.

exactly. Chloe and Clark are better as friends than anything else.

IOUOTE]Originally posted by hickorylane
I think Clark does see Lois as a sister though, he even asked about it in "Blank". He certainly doesn't see Chloe as his sister, the elevator scene in "Bound" and the kiss in "Blank" do confirm that. Poor Lois, second to her cousin, and not even a close second. [/QUOTE]

What KISS in Blank??:confused: I don't remember any KISS in Blank? And as for the scene in Bound, I think he was a little bit flasttered at her agressiveness.

[shirkie]

Clark doesn't deserve Chloe. He's not even close to good enough for her.
shirkie

[sari_chem]

I don't want Chloe and Clark to date. They are best friends. Their friendship is pretty awesome. It would suck for them if they lost that. Plus, girlfriends/boyfriends come and go...but friends are forever, right?

Furthermore, if TPTB pursue a Chlark relationship, then I think Chloe would be devastated when she and Clark break up (and they will...because Lois is Clark's destiny.

[Timester]

Originally posted by hickorylane
Bashing Lois with evidence isn't bashing, I think it is truthtelling. Chloe>Lois, in temperment, brains, loyalty, drive, passion, wits, etc.

The Chloe character is so perfect for Clark, whether comics canon say so or not. We may not ever see Chlark simply because it outshine the Clois, in energy, acting, with TW, in chemistry, etc.

I think Clark does see Lois as a sister though, he even asked about it in "Blank". He certainly doesn't see Chloe as his sister, the elevator scene in "Bound" and the kiss in "Blank" do confirm that. Poor Lois, second to her cousin, and not even a close second.

Now that's a changing, finally saying that Chloe Sullivan is great by herself, that she doesn't need the name "Lois Lane" to be great. :p

[bobser]

The problem with the Chloe is Lois theory is that it would wreck DC continuity. Half of the plot lines for adult Clark centers around him hiding his identity from Lois with his bumbling, spilling, and falling around her in the Daily Planet.

They'd have to erase Choe's memory (they already used up the get out of jail free crystal!), Chloe already mocked the spin the globe routine (which would be both ironic, funny, and evil to do just to erase her memory). I really don't think Smallville will get the ok to make Chloe into Lois. It's just messy and would tick many people off, though the way the show is written, they'd be perfect.

[Deana]

The Lois hate to justify Chlark has also turned me away from the ship.

Chlark will never be Clois and if they are it's the second rate. The only thing that Chloe has in common with the Lois I know and love is they are reporters. Oh yeah, also the lines that are some sweetly ripped from Lois in L&C.

They will always be better as friends. At this point the writers will convince me that Clark wants a romantic relationship with Chloe when pigs fly. Although it being the wb, he may magically develop a love for her...

[tec611]

Originally posted by Deana
The Lois hate to justify Chlark has also turned me away from the ship.

Thats not true. Im a Clois shipper and I said in my first post in the thread that I thought the way the story is being written right now, that its near impossible to NOT want Chloe to end up the Clark. I always root for Lois because they are meant to be, but I get frustrated because the writers keep throwing story-lines that push and push and push how great Chlark are together.

what they need to do IMO, is have Lois focus more on Metropolis and her future, dear lord finally give Chloe some lovin' from someone who really loves her, and have Clark start realizing Lana isnt perfect and that the flaws she does have are the ones that are fatal to their relationship.

[Timester]

Originally posted by bobser
The problem with the Chloe is Lois theory is that it would wreck DC continuity. Half of the plot lines for adult Clark centers around him hiding his identity from Lois with his bumbling, spilling, and falling around her in the Daily Planet.

Isn't much because of that, but because the core personality. But we better stop talk about this or else the "Chlois Police" will appear and say there is a thread for this. :p

[Deana]

Originally posted by tec611
Thats not true. Im a Clois shipper and I said in my first post in the thread that I thought the way the story is being written right now, that its near impossible to NOT want Chloe to end up the Clark. I always root for Lois because they are meant to be, but I get frustrated because the writers keep throwing story-lines that push and push and push how great Chlark are together.

what they need to do IMO, is have Lois focus more on Metropolis and her future, dear lord finally give Chloe some lovin' from someone who really loves her, and have Clark start realizing Lana isnt perfect and that the flaws she does have are the ones that are fatal to their relationship.

I'm not talking about ever Chlark fan. It's the snide comments that's made about Lois to justify how great Chloe and Chlark is that turns my stomach.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I am way more afraid of the "Clana" police then the "Clois" police.

Clana police are super scary and super senstitive.

Go ClarAlicia Police !

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
That Chloe is the right woman for Clark. I would really like to see them end up together. And maybe they will if the Chloe/Lois theory is correct. Its the only thing that makes sense.
The theory isnt correct, you should know this by now. And you actually think it makes sense?? Ok then. :\

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I am way more afraid of the "Clana" police then the "Clois" police.

Clana police are super scary and super senstitive.

Go ClarAlicia Police !

now we're talkin' :D

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
That Chloe is the right woman for Clark. I would really like to see them end up together. And maybe they will if the Chloe/Lois theory is correct. Its the only thing that makes sense.
I think Chloe could have been right for him at one time, but at this point I don't agree. I wondered how TPTB would handle Lois, given that we'd already seen two women who, each in her own way, seemed right for Clark. And I was with the group that thought Chloe was really Lois. But now, seeing ED's Lois in action, I like her better for Clark. I like her read on him. She gets him, better than Lana or Chloe. And I like the sparks. And I like the way she doesn't pry -- even though she knows that something's up.

That said, the Chloe and Clark scenes are taking over the show. They're wonderful. Such wonderful chemistry between AM and TW. Funny -- I think KK has better chemistry with MR, and TW has better chemistry w/ AM. I'm glad TPTB are using it.

[photogirl]

Chloe is obviously the one for Clark..or at least I think so. I was so upset with him during this episode. I mean, I know he doesn't like her like that, but after your best friend goes through getting kidnapped and everything he doesn't realize that this would be a good point to hug Chloe!!!! What? I think that Chloe and Clark could date at some point, and should, but hey, that's just me.

[hickorylane]

Chloe is so far superior to Lois, that if EDLois does end up with Clark, it will only be as a default Lois.

Lois has panicked in tight situations, twice, Lois should never panic. She has shown herself to be a hypocrite, not very bright, lazy, and self absorbed. She can't handle stress, or tight situations. Lois dear, people don't try and commit suicide because they are in college and working for their dream career. You might, but most people don't.

Lois didn't even know about Chloe's mom, how dense is that. And no Lois ever, would be using voodoo and magic, ala the Talon smoke scene in "Tomb" ever. She would be too smart for that.

Chloe has shown to be resourceful, smart, driven, talented, and accepting of others, something Lois never is. Besides, ED and TW come off as siblings. Ick.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by hickorylane
Chloe is so far superior to Lois, that if EDLois does end up with Clark, it will only be as a default Lois.

Lois has panicked in tight situations, twice, Lois should never panic. She has shown herself to be a hypocrite, not very bright, lazy, and self absorbed. She can't handle stress, or tight situations. Lois dear, people don't try and commit suicide because they are in college and working for their dream career. You might, but most people don't.

Lois didn't even know about Chloe's mom, how dense is that. And no Lois ever, would be using voodoo and magic, ala the Talon smoke scene in "Tomb" ever. She would be too smart for that.

Chloe has shown to be resourceful, smart, driven, talented, and accepting of others, something Lois never is. Besides, ED and TW come off as siblings. Ick.
What?! Ok, this isnt the hate on Lois thread.

[photogirl]

I love Clois!! They're awesome together. Since I know that eventually that's what's going to happen, I am okay with it, but for now, I am defintly a Chlark shipper, and I would rather have them be together...

[amberdawn]

I love Clois too and am a true fan at heart, but its not their time yet, so I wouldnt mind some Chlark lovin.

[Skywalker]

Lois has panicked in tight situations, twice, Lois should never panic.
WTF? That makes no sense at all. Im guessing you would never panic in a life threatening situation. :rolleyes:


Lois dear, people don't try and commit suicide because they are in college and working for their dream career. You might, but most people don't.
She didnt mean it like that at all, and you know it. All it meant was that she could understand that balancing both school and working at the DP could have been causing alot of stress on Chloe.


And no Lois ever, would be using voodoo and magic, ala the Talon smoke scene in "Tomb" ever. She would be too smart for that.
?

Dude your seriousley grasping at straws here, trying to bash Lois. :rolleyes:

[watcher4]

TPTB need to do something about this.......and quick! They may end up "painting themselves into a corner".

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by hickorylane
And no Lois ever, would be using voodoo and magic, ala the Talon smoke scene in "Tomb" ever. She would be too smart for that.
Just FYI, this is a Native American tradition for cleansing an environment. Given Smallville's connection w/ the Kawatchi culture, I thought it was a cool scene. :cool:

[Christine C]

I love the Chloe and Clark relationship. These two are acting like a future L/C team. They gave Chloe all of Lois Lanes characteristics and now they say she's not really Lois? I can't root for a future relationship with a Lois that is nothing like what the real Lois Lane is like. Besides, Chloe is the one that understands Clark the most. They share everything. She does get him, and he gets her. Most importantly, they trust one another. I rather watch Clark fall the girl that really deserves his love, not one that doesn't. Even if its for now. Chloe is the Lois in Smallville, even if she doesn't have the name.

[amberdawn]

She was never Lois to begin with though. I think Lois on SV is similar to the Lois Lane we all know and love, but remember, she is still young and has much growing up to do. Clark on SV is nothing like Superman/Clark of the future yet, so its the same with him.

[Deana]

Originally posted by hickorylane
Chloe is so far superior to Lois, that if EDLois does end up with Clark, it will only be as a default Lois.

Lois has panicked in tight situations, twice, Lois should never panic. She has shown herself to be a hypocrite, not very bright, lazy, and self absorbed. She can't handle stress, or tight situations. Lois dear, people don't try and commit suicide because they are in college and working for their dream career. You might, but most people don't.

Lois didn't even know about Chloe's mom, how dense is that. And no Lois ever, would be using voodoo and magic, ala the Talon smoke scene in "Tomb" ever. She would be too smart for that.

Chloe has shown to be resourceful, smart, driven, talented, and accepting of others, something Lois never is. Besides, ED and TW come off as siblings. Ick.

The same thing can be said if Lois ends up with Clark, because he's a default Clark.

Yeah, Lois panicked a few times, but most of the time she doesn't have to sit around and wait for Clark to save the day.

Lois was six when Chloe's mom disappeared. I'm sure her Nancy Drew skills were concentrated on Barbie's Dream House.

Trying to get rid of a ghost by using mystical means is, dare I say it, smart.

Give Lois and Clark, since people tend to forget he's the most out of character of them all, their chances to mature into the characters they will be in Metropolis.

[mallory]

Originally posted by Netmaster
It doesn't make sense. There is no Chloe/Lois (or Chloe=Lois).

There is only one Lois Lane in Smallville (according to Al Gough and Miles Millar), and she's being played by Erica Durance. Ericas character is going to be the one that eventually falls for Superman/Clark and marries him. Both Al and Miles have confirmed it.

Chloe will not become Lois Lane in any way, shape, or form and the series creators have been very clear about that (just look up some of their interviews on the Lois character). Lois is still growing into the Lois Lane we all know, she's just not there yet.

Chloe is not and will not be Lois. Sorry, it's just not going to happen. :rolleyes:

Yes, the producers confirmed it. Then they give us about nine million reasons to believe they are wrong, lying, or just plain crazy.

Chloe is everything Lois is supposed to be. ED Lois is everything her detractors say.

Smallville's Lois is already a grown woman. Her personality ain't gonna change. Her work habits? Forget it -- Pygmalion (My Fair Lady) is a fairy tale. How then is the magical transformation going to take place?

I, too, doubt this show will take the radical step of Chloe somehow becoming Lois. Shame the writers/producers, knowing so many viewers long for that, keep playing us along.

[clois1938]

The whole Chloe is Lois thing is pretty ridiculous and an exercise in grasping at straws by Chlarkers. Lois Lane is much more than being a friend and a reporter or else Clark might as well have married some other reporter or Jimmy Olsen.

Chloe is a bit boring in the same vein that Pete was. While sweet and vulnerable, Chloe wears her heart on her sleeve too much. She also still gets that wounded face around Clark, lapping after him like a dog. Which is in contrast to how IconicLois is supposed be towards Clark in the beginning (cool attitude just as EDLois portrays her). And SV Clark at this point is no prize! IconicLois would never be so in love with the BDA we've been getting. What an insult to IconicLois!

IconicLois is someone that is spunkier, fiestier and stronger than Chloe. IconicLois is an army brat trained in hand-to-hand combat and firearms, Chloe is not. Lois is someone that can stand toe to toe with Superman, give as good as it gets. And most importantly, brings out the fighter in Clark rather than mother him like Chloe.

Also unlike Chloe, IconicLois is not defined by an interest in journalism, people seem to forget that IconicLois enters journalism in order to bring the bad guys down. And while Chloe can hack and gather information, these are pretty mundane desk work type actions. SV Lois is more like the “anything for a story” Lois of the comics. I mean, I can't see Chloe scaling a wall and sneaking a paper out, hidden in her mouth yet I can see EDLois doing that. Or telling Lex Luthor off while stripping out of her dress before storming out? Can anyone seriously see Chloe doing what IconicLois does?

I also suspect when Lois gets a job at the daily planet, it will be because she brings in a scoop (possibly on the Luthors), which is in keeping with IconicLois. Or do people forget that IconicLois didn't get the job by writing some lame vampire story. IconicLois' rise at the Planet is also supposed to be meteoric, Chloe's hasn't been. Lois has the raw talent to do it. She ran a successful campaign for Pa Kent. Being a campaign manager is no easy task. A good campaign manager is crucial to a win. You develop similar skill sets as needed for being a reporter. She had to handle the press, convince voters, paint a picture that makes people believe who she stands by. Much like how a reporter must move readers and gain their confidence. So she has now done this successfully on a wide forum, which is something Clark and Chloe have yet to do. Lois helped get a good person get elected, which has a bigger impact on society than Chloe writing obituaries.

Also to bring the topic back to Tomb, when IconicLois got the job, she started with the police beat not shuffling papers in the daily planet basement. Inkeeping with the comics, from 'Tomb', we know EDLois has been talking to the new sheriff, which can lead somewhere... at the very least more contacts ;)

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
But now, seeing ED's Lois in action, I like her better for Clark. I like her read on him. She gets him, better than Lana or Chloe. And I like the sparks. And I like the way she doesn't pry -- even though she knows that something's up.
It's no coincidence that both Lana and Chloe got advice from Lois when they found out his secret. Goes to show Lois always understands Clark best!

[mar1013]

yeah, it's the same to be a manager campain than a good, well she must be the best, reporter.
On the other hand it's really lame that Pa Kent gave her the job, anyone can explain me why, or how?
Right now, i would never believe that EdLois could become a reporter, not saying the best one.
"Lois has the raw talent to do it" yeah right, where does she have it? because i don't see it

[Lara Lane]

Originally posted by mallory
Smallville's Lois is already a grown woman. Her personality ain't gonna change. Her work habits? Forget it -- Pygmalion (My Fair Lady) is a fairy tale. How then is the magical transformation going to take place?

SVLois is not a grown woman. She is written as being about 20/21 years old and that is still an age of transition.

I know for sure I don't have the same personality and work habits now, at 24, than when I was 21. Young adults tend to change and mature and I see in Lois all what's needed to become the passionate reporter she is bound to be.

[clois1938]

Originally posted by mar1013
On the other hand it's really lame that Pa Kent gave her the job, anyone can explain me why, or how?
All you gotta do is watch the scene. :) Pa Kent hires Lois after seeing her passionately call out the former campaign manager. Pa Kent liked her pitch, even though she wasn't even trying for the job. It is that burst of energy and fire that is a hallmark of IconicLois. And calling out the campaign manager is exactly in keeping with IconicLois' penchant for wanting scum to go down.

I thought of another example of Chloe not being Lois, Chloe/Clark mugging scene. If Chloe were Lois, then this scene is all wrong. You know IconicLois would have been the more agressive one in the scene, telling Clark he was the one that needed to put more feeling in it, not the other way around. IconicLois wouldn't give up.


Originally posted by mar1013
"Lois has the raw talent to do it"
Because everytime Lois wants something done, she succeeds. Quality over quantity. Be it putting pen to paper for a Torch article or running the campaign, she succeeds. Be it chatting people up to get information('devoted'), distract them ('commencement') or convince them ('recruit'), she succeeds. For example in Recruit, not only does she convince Clark that she needed to stay at the kent farm, she manages to get Clark who at that point 'supposedly' didn't like her to be the one that invites her.

People seem to forget there isn't just one road to the top. And if you are a one of a kind ace reporter, it is more likely that you don't travel the mundane path to get there. ;) The few posters that dislike Lois, I tend to hear bitterness in their posts. Frankly, begrudging Lois for becoming an ace reporter is like begrudging Clark that he's Superman. Some people are just blessed to be gifted. Fact is, there are people in the world that skyrocket on raw talent alone, rather than resume.

[mallory]

Originally posted by clois1938


It's no coincidence that both Lana and Chloe got advice from Lois when they found out his secret. Goes to show Lois always understands Clark best!

Lois understands Clark best??? She has been surrounded by the most remarkable being on the planet, and maybe the universe. Yet she is so clueless about who he is, for years she called him Smallville.

Clark has not pulled his mild-mannered bumbling reporter act with Lois, either. She knows his real personality. She is not impressed. I would say ED Lois understands just about nothing about Clark Kent.

[aoa4life]

I have a funny feeling that as much as people love AM(Chole) she is not going to make it to season 6...i have no proof nor have i heard any rumors but there has to be some jeopardy for her character knowing clark's secret

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

I don't get why people can't love Chloe for who she is, instead of wanting her to be someone else? That to me makes it sounds like Chloe has NO importance at all unless she's someone else. That's selling Chloe very short.


Originally posted by Deana
The Lois hate to justify Chlark has also turned me away from the ship.

Chlark will never be Clois and if they are it's the second rate. The only thing that Chloe has in common with the Lois I know and love is they are reporters. Oh yeah, also the lines that are some sweetly ripped from Lois in L&C.

They will always be better as friends. At this point the writers will convince me that Clark wants a romantic relationship with Chloe when pigs fly. Although it being the wb, he may magically develop a love for her...

Well said :D I feel the same way at times.

Oh they rip off L&C lines for Clana too :rolleyes:

Anyways the new Smallville Magazine Al Gough talks about how now that they had Lois on the show, the execs wanted to go ahead with the Lois Lane series that they originally pitched, but it didn't pan out. So as far as the higher ups are concerned ED is Lois :D

[Red Larson]

Originally posted by mar1013
On the other hand it's really lame that Pa Kent gave her the job, anyone can explain me why, or how?

She had the most important qualification to be the campaign manager of a dirt-poor campaign -- she worked for free.

As far as campaign managers and reporters needing similar skillsets, I'd have to say no.

The campaign mangaer is primarily a manager. That's why we call them that.

Even when there are no other paid staff, there are dozens of volunteers to be managed -- that is, kept busy and kept happy.

There's usually an element of PR and copywriting as well, but the three main requirements of the job are being well-organized, being good at setting priorities, and having strong people skills.

[attitudejc]

if chlark does start how is it suppose to end. to me, they are perfect for each other. so, what could go wrong?

[mar1013]

shelby could work for free as well,
If this is the most important qualification that someone needs to become a manager... i'm still wondering how could pa Kent win the campaign, maybe he wons because of LIONEL's help, and i'm not talking about the money he gave them. He didn't want his son to became a senator, ans this is what he got, maybe Pa kent didn't win the campaign because of Lois and her skills, maybe he won because of Lionel

[knb18]

Originally posted by Deana


Lois was six when Chloe's mom disappeared. I'm sure her Nancy Drew skills were concentrated on Barbie's Dream House.



Where do you get this from? Chloe said that she was 12 when her mother left. So if she was 12 and Lois is older, wouldn't that make Lois like 14 or something at that time?

It totally bothered me that Lois didn't know this about Chloe's mom. They are supposed to be so close and all...

[jimmyolsenblues]

Good point about Lois not knowing about Chloe's mom.
I missed that one.
I guess I was so upset with the whole ghost can cut Chloe but ghost can not hurt the evil nurse guy who has been working in the building for the past 10 years right next to the ghost's dead body.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
Good point about Lois not knowing about Chloe's mom.
I missed that one.
I guess I was so upset with the whole ghost can cut Chloe but ghost can not hurt the evil nurse guy who has been working in the building for the past 10 years right next to the ghost's dead body.

I don't think the ghost cut Chloe on purpose. There are lots of stories (whether you believe them or not) about people who've made psycic contact with a ghost, and ended up with the same injuries or illnesses the ghost had. It's not that the ghost was trying to hurt them. The connection is just so strong that the spirit unintentionally transfers whatever they are feeling, and sometimes even their wounds, to the living person.

And, just like Chloe was the only one who could see Gretchen, Chloe would also be the only one Gretchen could "touch", too.

I mean, we're dealing with the paranormal, here. Things make sense, it's just a wacky kind of sense.

[Lara Lane]

Originally posted by knb18
Where do you get this from? Chloe said that she was 12 when her mother left. So if she was 12 and Lois is older, wouldn't that make Lois like 14 or something at that time?

It totally bothered me that Lois didn't know this about Chloe's mom. They are supposed to be so close and all...

One more plot hole to the list. as simple as that. :rolleyes: :mad:

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by knb18
It totally bothered me that Lois didn't know this about Chloe's mom. They are supposed to be so close and all...
It could be a reflection of how much Chloe trusts Clark. Remember she didn't tell anyone about her mom for months after finding out. And I think she finally told Clark only because of what they shared in the episode Scare. So it's may not mean that she and Lois aren't close. It may just mean that she and Clark are the only ones who know each other's deepest secrets.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by Lara Lane
One more plot hole to the list. as simple as that. :rolleyes: :mad:
Yeah, really. :rolleyes: Oh well

[jimmyolsenblues]

I mean, we're dealing with the paranormal, here

Give me a boring superman stopped the train or caught the helicopter story any day.

If I want paranomal , I will watch x-files. When I watch Smallville, I am looking for a Superman.

[magoo]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
That Chloe is the right woman for Clark. I would really like to see them end up together. And maybe they will if the Chloe/Lois theory is correct. Its the only thing that makes sense.

what's the chloe/lois theory? that Chloe takes on the name Lois Lane?

Sorry but for me Chloe and Clark don't look right together as a couple should. Best friends yes.

[Lara Lane]

Originally posted by magoo
what's the chloe/lois theory? that Chloe takes on the name Lois Lane?

Sorry but for me Chloe and Clark don't look right together as a couple should. Best friends yes.

what is the Chloe=Lois theory?

go here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46902

[Editted because couched commentary about posters isn't allowed; more over, this type of post should be a PM.]

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
It could be a reflection of how much Chloe trusts Clark. Remember she didn't tell anyone about her mom for months after finding out. And I think she finally told Clark only because of what they shared in the episode Scare. So it's may not mean that she and Lois aren't close. It may just mean that she and Clark are the only ones who know each other's deepest secrets.


Agreed. Lois and Chloe are like sisters. The fact that Chloe's mother is in a mental hospital is not something one is usually proud of. Mental illness in one's family is something that people could unfairly judge you on. Chloe keeps Clark's secret.
He is returning the favor for his friend who felt better opening up to someone who understands what it is like to keep a secret.:cool:


Originally posted by Christine C
I love the Chloe and Clark relationship. These two are acting like a future L/C team. They gave Chloe all of Lois Lanes characteristics and now they say she's not really Lois? I can't root for a future relationship with a Lois that is nothing like what the real Lois Lane is like. Besides, Chloe is the one that understands Clark the most. They share everything. She does get him, and he gets her. Most importantly, they trust one another. I rather watch Clark fall the girl that really deserves his love, not one that doesn't. Even if its for now. Chloe is the Lois in Smallville, even if she doesn't have the name.

I get that ED Lois still has her growing up to do but to me Chloe is so much closer to iconic Lois than this Almiles version of the character. Chloe also has her share of growing up to do also. I think she has done more growing up then any other character on the show. "I'm a big girl now". Of course she still loves the farmboy, who wouldn't. But the episodes of the hurt or jealous looks are not the norm.

I love the sister relationship the two of them share and it will be interesting to see if in the future Chloe is around to talk about Lois' relationship with Clark. Maybe they will have alot more in common then being cousin's.;)
I just don't think that EDLois does the character of LL any justice being introduced so early in this Almiles version of the mythology.
I love the character of Lois Lane, that's why I think they should have respected the character enough to leave her out of SV and left her for the future Supes in Metropolis.

I like when the writer's take liberities. I am all for shaking up the mythology A LITTLE, for the purpose of storytelling and producing a TV show. IMHO the character of Lois was just brought in too early and for the wrong reasons.Season 4 needed something new. "I know let's bring in Lois" even though it seems at times the writers have to find ways of fitting/forcing her into the plotline when her character really isn't needed other then for contract obligations.

I like Lois too much to believe iconic Lois would ever be a college dropout peddling muffins even as a young woman trying to find herself. The character of Lois Lane deserved better.
I would love to see alittle Chlark action before Clark marries LL. Heck I'll admit it I would like to see the Chlois theory happen, even though I don't believe it will and not because Al says it won't..... We all know you can't believe a word that lying @#%&* says:rotfl: just kidding i love ya Al!

[superman_115]

Sorry, but they will never be a Clark/Chloe relationship as long as Lana is running around sucking the life out of Clark with her drama.

Besides, I would like to see Clark date a mermaid just to end this thing he has had for Lana the past 5 seasons.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by superman_115
Sorry, but they will never be a Clark/Chloe relationship as long as Lana is running around sucking the life out of Clark with her drama.

Besides, I would like to see Clark date a mermaid just to end this thing he has had for Lana the past 5 seasons.

*drum roll* bring in Lori Lemaris.:lol:

[loistickyfingerz]

I have to admit I agree with the sentiment behind this thread.

I am a Clois shipper, but in the character of Chloe, the writers created a block that can only logically stand between Clark and Lois. I do not believe in the Chloe=Lois theory, the Lois on the show is the Lois Lane Clark Kent will marry.

However, this whole series is partially about how Lana is Clark's first love and how that doesn't work out because of who they are as people. They can't be together. Clark needs a woman like Lois Lane.

But there is a woman he knows much better than Lois Lane that loves and trusts him named Chloe Sullivan. Admittedly, Lois is distinctive from Chloe is subtle ways, mainly she's tougher and more like the woman that will fit the tough, double-sided man Clark will become, however, on his journey from farm-boy to Superman/Clark Kent, it only seems logical that the woman who fits him in that in-between stage is Chloe Sullivan.

As the writers and creators of the show and the character, I think at this point it would be cruel not to allow Clark to experience the real, more adult Chloe. It actually might help him understand who is, who he is becoming, and the perfect kind of woman for who he is becoming. In a way, she's performing the same kind of function that a land-locked Lori Lemaris might.

A relationship between them can also help underscore the differences in Chloe and Lois, and eventually help Clark to see that Lois is a tougher version of Chloe and she is perfect for him.

That logic is not fair to Chloe's character, but it's a bind the creators created for themselves when they created her character.

True, she might die, and that might paved the way for Lois, but that's not fair to Lois Lane, either. Clark has to come around and see that despite all, Lois Lane is perfect for him, and a relationship with Chloe might help him realize that, and fulfill poor Chloe's long-denied desires.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
I just don't think that EDLois does the character of LL any justice being introduced so early in this Almiles version of the mythology.

I like when the writer's take liberities. I am all for shaking up the mythology A LITTLE, for the purpose of storytelling and producing a TV show. IMHO the character of Lois was just brought in too early and for the wrong reasons.Season 4 needed something new. "I know let's bring in Lois" even though it seems at times the writers have to find ways of fitting/forcing her into the plotline when her character really isn't needed other then for contract obligations.
I agree with much of what you say. I would only add that Al and Miles have said that they've wanted to bring in Lois since the beginning of the series, but were waiting until the right time to do it. For what it's worth, this was the commentary from the Season 4 DVD.

The only other thing I might say is that I see ED's Lois as close to the comic book Lois in a couple of ways. One, she comes out swinging. I don't see Chloe as being agressive in that way. Also Chloe does a lot of her research on the computer. I imagine Lois as getting out from behind the computer more. JMHO.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by loistickyfingerz
I have to admit I agree with the sentiment behind this thread.

I am a Clois shipper, but in the character of Chloe, the writers created a block that can only logically stand between Clark and Lois. I do not believe in the Chloe=Lois theory, the Lois on the show is the Lois Lane Clark Kent will marry.

However, this whole series is partially about how Lana is Clark's first love and how that doesn't work out because of who they are as people. They can't be together. Clark needs a woman like Lois Lane.

But there is a woman he knows much better than Lois Lane that loves and trusts him named Chloe Sullivan. Admittedly, Lois is distinctive from Chloe is subtle ways, mainly she's tougher and more like the woman that will fit the tough, double-sided man Clark will become, however, on his journey from farm-boy to Superman/Clark Kent, it only seems logical that the woman who fits him in that in-between stage is Chloe Sullivan.

As the writers and creators of the show and the character, I think at this point it would be cruel not to allow Clark to experience the real, more adult Chloe. It actually might help him understand who is, who he is becoming, and the perfect kind of woman for who he is becoming. In a way, she's performing the same kind of function that a land-locked Lori Lemaris might.

A relationship between them can also help underscore the differences in Chloe and Lois, and eventually help Clark to see that Lois is a tougher version of Chloe and she is perfect for him.

That logic is not fair to Chloe's character, but it's a bind the creators created for themselves when they created her character.


Well put. I certaintly agree that the writers wrote themselves into a bind with Chloe. It would have been interesting if Almiles would have gotten their wish for Lois instead of Lana in the beginning. I love the Chloe character and am so torn about her future knowing that it is LL that Clark will eventually marry. In the end I really want Chloe to find her happy ending.

[Crazy4Smallville]

All three girls have their heroic moments. However, only Chloe pursues justice as a passion and as a conscience decision. Lana only reacts to situations she's in, but she doesn't even know who or what she wants out of life. She's had this battle with her identity since season one when she quit the cheerleading team to work at the Beanery. Then she pursued the Talon, but not because that was her passion, but because she couldn't let go of her parents. Then she went to Paris to study art, not because it was was her passion (I mean come on... have you seen or heard Lana do anything that has to do with art?) but to run away from Clark. Now, she is pursuing Astronomy because of the space ship and second meteor shower. She's a very selfish character who doesn't even know who she is, which is opposite against the trait of a leader.

Lois is in-between Lana and Chloe. She doesn't quite know what she wants to do in her life and she too is running away (just not from a boy, but her father), but she knows who she is - she's her father's daughter. She's tough as nails and knows what she likes and dislikes. She is like Chloe in the respect that she hates injustice and when the battle rages, she has no qualms about jumping right into the matter, no matter the danger she faces.

I think that Lana and Chloe was made to encompass the traits of Lois on polar extremes. Clarks love for both Lana and Chloe will find balance in his love for Lois.

Also, what makes Chloe a hero is the fact that she doesn't have any superpowers, but that doesn't stop her from trying to bring justice and truth to the world. Her weapon/superpower is her pen - and she uses it responsibly and well. She's as much a hero as Clark, if not more at the moment - because at this point she uses what power/gifts she had to make a difference in the world and Clark is still thinking about himself right now and what he wants. He hasn't seen the bigger picture yet, but I think with Chloe's help, he will.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Crazy4Smallville
All three girls have their heroic moments. However, only Chloe pursues justice as a passion and as a conscience decision. Lana only reacts to situations she's in, but she doesn't even know who or what she wants out of life. She's had this battle with her identity since season one when she quit the cheerleading team to work at the Beanery. Then she pursued the Talon, but not because that was her passion, but because she couldn't let go of her parents. Then she went to Paris to study art, not because it was was her passion (I mean come on... have you seen or heard Lana do anything that has to do with art?) but to run away from Clark. Now, she is pursuing Astronomy because of the space ship and second meteor shower. She's a very selfish character who doesn't even know who she is, which is opposite against the trait of a leader.

Lois is in-between Lana and Chloe. She doesn't quite know what she wants to do in her life and she too is running away (just not from a boy, but her father), but she knows who she is - she's her father's daughter. She's tough as nails and knows what she likes and dislikes. She is like Chloe in the respect that she hates injustice and when the battle rages, she has no qualms about jumping right into the matter, no matter the danger she faces.

I think that Lana and Chloe was made to encompass the traits of Lois on polar extremes. Clarks love for both Lana and Chloe will find balance in his love for Lois.

Also, what makes Chloe a hero is the fact that she doesn't have any superpowers, but that doesn't stop her from trying to bring justice and truth to the world. Her weapon/superpower is her pen - and she uses it responsibly and well. She's as much a hero as Clark, if not more at the moment - because at this point she uses what power/gifts she had to make a difference in the world and Clark is still thinking about himself right now and what he wants. He hasn't seen the bigger picture yet, but I think with Chloe's help, he will.


Great take on the three ladies in Clark's life. I have to agree with your assessment.

[OneWayFilms]

Everyone keeps saying that Chloe and Clark are just friends, but if you remember once when he was sick, she sat beside him and read to him about her REAL feelings she has for him. She LOVES him, but she wont reveal it becasue she's afraid of loosing him forever. PLUS, she knows that he loves Lana, so she wont get in the way of that.

In Clark's eyes, she's just a very close friend, but he can't see that she wants more from him than just his friendship. So, now that she shares his secret and has drawn MUCH closer to him, and they work together so well, OF COURSE we root for her to end up with Clark.

And everytime she see's Clark and Lana together, you can almost see that hurt look in her eyes. She has to FIGHT to not allow that jealousy show. Poor Chloe.

We ALL know that Calrk will end up with Lois, but the way this show is going, I'm ready to vote out Lois and root for Chole as well. Not only is she the RIGHT person for Clark, she's faithful, loyal, smart AND she's a KNOCK-OUT.

I think it's time to let Lana go on her own. I LIKE Lana, but I think it's cruel to keep them in this on-again/off-again relationship, becasue we already KNOW it wont work between them in the end. So why should we invest so much time in it now?

If there's ANYWAY that Chloe COULD becoem the Lois Lane we know from the Legend......THAT WOULD SO ROCK MY WORLD!

Lois could get killed in a mission, or wind up missing. And Chloe could get BANNED again from the Daily Planet, so she go's under the name of Lois so her stories will still be published. And THAT would begin the wonderful future of Clark & Lois.

Just a suggestion.

[Chiriru]

Chlois goes in the Chlois thread people. Both pro and con.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by OneWayFilms
Everyone keeps saying that Chloe and Clark are just friends, but if you remember once when he was sick, she sat beside him and read to him about her REAL feelings she has for him. She LOVES him, but she wont reveal it becasue she's afraid of loosing him forever. PLUS, she knows that he loves Lana, so she wont get in the way of that.


Do I remember! Just look at my avatar and the tagline! I quoted that letter. As I recall, TPTB left the letter in which Chloe pours her heart out to Clark in Lana's hands (Fever). I would love to see that letter resurface someday. Now that would be continiuty. :)

[Lara Lane]

Continuity? In SV? I wouldn't hold my hopes high for that...

[jaime,oburg]

No, i don't think we will ever see the infamous letter again either but a fan can hope, hey the continuity is certainly better this season but of course it has never been great with the show.

[Crazy4Smallville]

I'd love to see that letter resurface as well. Maybe Chloe can find it in their dorm room and that is what sparks the confrontation between the two?

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by OneWayFilms
If there's ANYWAY that Chloe COULD becoem the Lois Lane we know from the Legend......THAT WOULD SO ROCK MY WORLD!

Lois could get killed in a mission, or wind up missing. And Chloe could get BANNED again from the Daily Planet, so she go's under the name of Lois so her stories will still be published. And THAT would begin the wonderful future of Clark & Lois.

Just a suggestion.
I really really doubt that.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
the Chloe and Clark scenes are taking over the show. They're wonderful. Such wonderful chemistry between AM and TW. Funny -- I think KK has better chemistry with MR, and TW has better chemistry w/ AM. I'm glad TPTB are using it.

I agree about the chemistry! Chloe is more iconic Lois Lane IMHO then EDLois. I guess that's why I've always been a Chlarker.:D

[Netmaster]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
I agree about the chemistry! Chloe is more iconic Lois Lane IMHO then EDLois. I guess that's why I've always been a Chlarker.:D

Well that's exactly what that is: your opinion.

Cause the fact is, that like it or not their is only one Lois Lane on this show and she's not being played by Allision Mack.;) Chloe was only created in the first place so they could have a "Lois like" character on the show. Just because she is similar to Lois in some ways does not make her Lois. Lois does not wear her heart on her sleeve as much as Chloe does and Lois is able to protect herself a hell of a lot more than Chloe. Lois can down right kick major ass if someone tries anything with her (providing she isn't snuck up from behind like in Tomb). I could list a number of other differences between the characters but I'll just save it for now.

Just because something may seem "like" something else, it doesn't change anything. It's just like Clark looking "like" a human doesn't make him a human. Cause the fact is, he's still an alien. Lois is still Lois. I think everyone just needs to be a little more patient and give her character time. Once she is the iconic Lois that we all know and love, the show will be over. The same goes for Clark becoming Superman. So why rush it?
Give her some time sheesh. :rolleyes:
I'm so sick of all the: "Chloe is more like how Lois should be", and "Chloe should turn into Lois" crap.
Both Al Gough and Miles Millar have confirmed that Erica Durance is Lois Lane and that Chloe will not "become Lois" or "turn into her" in any way.

Chloe and Clark are just friends, and that's all. Romance is not gonna happen for them. It's just hopeless.

[Lara Lane]

Amen to that.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Netmaster


their is only one Lois Lane on this show and she's not being played by Allision Mack.;)

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Geez, thanks for clearing that up for everyone. We didn't know that.
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Just because she is similar to Lois in some ways does not make her Lois. I could list a number of other differences between the characters but I'll just save it for now.


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No you don't have too, We're aware of the differences between the one cousin actually interested in journalism and the other one pushing muffins in SV.
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Both Al Gough and Miles Millar have confirmed that Erica Durance is Lois Lane and that Chloe will not "become Lois" or "turn into her" in any way.

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Once again, nothing that everyone doesn't already know.
The fact is that EDlois is NOTHING like iconic Lois. The SV version of Lois Lane does not due the character any justice. I love the character of Lois Lane and dislike the way tptb have written her on SV. It is a disservice to a great character. I don't like waiting for her to become the Lois we all know and love, and wish she wasn't introduced so early in this version of the mythology. Her character deserves better writing. I like the sister relationship the two characters have. Chloe just has been written to be more "Lois" then Lois is right now on the show so maybe that's why many find Chloe entertaining. You have your opinion leave me to mine
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Netmaster

I'm so sick of all the: "Chloe is more like how Lois should be", and "Chloe should turn into Lois" crap.


Well that's extactly what that is: your opinion.;)

[amberdawn]

Yes, its just your opinion.

[shy175223]

You know sometimes I think, even Almiles states hundred times over that Chloe isn't and will NEVER turn into Lois, that somehow they still be speculation that she will be and this probably will stop until at least Chloe leaves SV and Lois finally starts to go toward her destiny which I believe WILL happen.

As for EDLois NOT being iconic Lois of the comics, you have to remember that this is their version of the Lois when she as a young adult which has never been covered much like Superman's boy years. She hasn't gotten interested in journalism which is also true. Not one really know for sure how Lois got to into journalism in the first place. Whether she got into it be herself or if she was inspired which i hope WILL be covered next season. It's understandable that someone might think Chloe IS Lois just because she happens to have the characteristics of the Iconic Lois BUT the SV Lois hasn't even found her place in the world yet much less knows what she wants in life...YET! I think it's interesting to see how Lois might have become a journalist even they don't show actually how the iconic Lois might have. But than this is a girl in her early twenties who hasn't yet to be or suppose to be Iconic Lois. But I'm sure that will change within the next season.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by shy175223

As for EDLois NOT being iconic Lois of the comics, you have to remember that this is their version of the Lois when she as a young adult which has never been covered much like Superman's boy years. She hasn't gotten interested in journalism which is also true. Not one really know for sure how Lois got to into journalism in the first place. Whether she got into it be herself or if she was inspired which i hope WILL be covered next season. It's understandable that someone might think Chloe IS Lois just because she happens to have the characteristics of the Iconic Lois BUT the SV Lois hasn't even found her place in the world yet much less knows what she wants in life...YET! I think it's interesting to see how Lois might have become a journalist even they don't show actually how the iconic Lois might have. But than this is a girl in her early twenties who hasn't yet to be or suppose to be Iconic Lois. But I'm sure that will change within the next season.

I agree.
I fully support that writers can take some liberities when writing for TV. All characters have their growing up to do. Lois is no exception. Although I do have a hard time with that even as a young woman trying to find herself she was a muffin peddling college dropout. LOL!
I would hope that by next season we get to see more of the Lois we all know and love. I hope that by this season tptb will at least show her having an interest in journalism. She could at start Met U next year after spending some time with Chloe at the DP.
I don't think that Chloe is going to become Lois Lane (and not because AL says so because we know that he has said other things that didn't extactly pan out like he told us they would;)
But I respect the opinion of fans that support the Chlois theory. Heck I'll admit I wouldn't mind if that happened.
I am along for the ride of this Almiles version of the mythology even when I don't necessarily like the way they have written a certain character.:)

[Conner]

The characters have a lot of growing to do, I don't think the writers are going to suddenly go in to a Clois ship. Her character DEFINITELY needs some development first. When Lexana begins (and I am pretty sure it will), Clark will need a shoulder to cry on. Who will that be? Chloe! The attachment could grow from there, and they could have a healthy relationship for awhile. Hey, it COULD happen.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Conner
The characters have a lot of growing to do, I don't think the writers are going to suddenly go in to a Clois ship. Her character DEFINITELY needs some development first. When Lexana begins (and I am pretty sure it will), Clark will need a shoulder to cry on. Who will that be? Chloe! The attachment could grow from there, and they could have a healthy relationship for awhile. Hey, it COULD happen.

I would like to see a little Chlark time before Clois. It would be a transition from Lana to Lois. But it would have to be Chloe moving on from Clark for it to work for me. Chloe has had the crap end of the stick too many times already on the show and it's getting old. I would like for her character to find her happy ending also.:cool:

[caradoc]

One of the main themes of the show is "friendship and secrets". By sharing in Clark's secret, she attains a closer relationship than either Lara or Lex. But the sacrifice she must make is her own romantic feelings.

[Kezz]

I'm almost certain that there will be some Chlark before the show airs for the last time. Not only has Chloe been uber-friend extrordinaire this season, but she is the balance between Lana's small town fluffiness and Lois' city girl abruptness and there has to some form of transition between the two. Therefore: Chlark.

I think Chloe's character deserves better and am hoping for a Chlois ending to the show. Even though it has already been denied I live in hope. Let's face it Millar/Gough seriously need to invest in a more competent continuity editor, it wouldn't be the first time they did a complete one-eighty on something. Chloe's loss of her virginity to a boy who had originally been a lie to make Clark jealous is just one example. Personally I thought that was taking the concept of an imaginary friend waaaayyy too far!.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Kezz
[B]I'm almost certain that there will be some Chlark before the show airs for the last time.

And I'm almost certain that the only Chlark there will be allll the way up to the series end, is Friendship . That is the way is should be. IMO, Chloe is definitely her own character.

Hopefully Jimmy Olsen shows up to give Chloe some deserved loving.:p

[auxvis]

I agree...I don't think there will ever be a Chlark romantic relationship...Besides that would really complicate the future with Lois seeing how loyal she is to her family...

But the only reason we see Clark and Chloe so close in this episode is because he cares about her as a friend and doesn't want to see someone exploiting her...especially when it is Lex involved who he doesn't trust at all (of course Lana doesn't seem to get that)

[love_sv]

There may not be a Chlark romantic relationship, because tptb are so masochistic to Chlark, but I think they are so perfect for each other and would really like to see it. It's not completely out of the question because they have such a strong friendship to build on and how can that be destroyed by a romantic relationship?

It is true that Chloe deserves better than Clark but it is also true that Clark often gives his best to Chloe. Look how he held out for her in this episode, and how he's trusted her with his secret. I see a certain tenderness in all Chlark scenes that makes a Chlark relationship fill me with excitement!

He was a BDA going after Lana for centuries but "love"(lust) does that to people.

I may be dreaming but I look forward to Chlark-love and definitely think it's obvious that Chloe should be with Clark.

[auxvis]

Wait a minue...Chloe deserves better than Clark? I disagree...

Chloe isn't exactly the angel in their relationship...Personally I feel that Clark has always been upfront with Chloe about his feelings and any time that she gets upset about it is over things she has problems with in her own mind and not really things that Clark did to make her upset...

[love_sv]

Well, I said Chloe deserves better than Clark because of Clana. I don't want to Lana/Clana bash here but really, I fail to see why he pined after Lana when Chloe is better in so many ways. Chloe may not be an angel but compared to Lana she certainly is.

[Kezz]

Originally posted by auxvis
Wait a minue...Chloe deserves better than Clark? I disagree...

Chloe isn't exactly the angel in their relationship...Personally I feel that Clark has always been upfront with Chloe about his feelings and any time that she gets upset about it is over things she has problems with in her own mind and not really things that Clark did to make her upset...

You're right Chloe isn't an angel she's human, one who messes up sometimes just like the rest of us bipeds. Then again Clark isn't exactly perfect himself now is he? No one who repeatedly runs out on a friend just for their crush can really be classed as perfect.