Ok...that scene pissed me off...

[Rafael122]

Who in the hell gives Lana the right to take Chloe where she needs to be? Wow...unbelievably bad scene.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Who in the hell gives Lana the right
I agree. 100%

[LuckyStar]

Yeah, didn't we establish quite a while back that Bellrieve(sp) was EVIL!!!!

[Rafael122]

And then Lex is all like "Lana seems to think so." So if she says that walking through fire is OK, Lex is gonna say its OK too? Come on now...if they're gonna develop a relationship between those two, they have to clean up the writing, otherwise its gonna go like Whitney/Lana and Lana/Knight.

[Lifebound]

I think it was just inserted to play up the Lexana and the Clex rivalry. Otherwise purely superficial scene.

Besides, Lana couldn't be so naive as to think that Chloe would be "helped" in Bellereve especially after what Chloe tried to do to Garner. I think this signfifies Lana's turning evil ?

[flcn6]

Shouldnt Chloe have a say in it?

[Timester]

Lana officially forgot about Ryan. Good Lana. :rolleyes:

[LuckyStar]

Originally posted by flcn6
Shouldnt Chloe have a say in it?

well, "crazy" people rarely do, but i get your point.

[Rafael122]

Now, "Lex and I have been looking for you all night" and Lex is visiting Lana's dorm room?

Its gotten to a point where I may stop watching the season right now. The writing for those two is unbelivably bad.

[Lifebound]

Originally posted by Rafael122
Now, "Lex and I have been looking for you all night" and Lex is visiting Lana's dorm room?

Its gotten to a point where I may stop watching the season right now. The writing for those two is unbelivably bad.

Well, we all know that the bald billionare is willing to stoop to whatever low that may be necessary to bag his dream girl...Lana? Yeah, the scene was really corny. I doubt Lana would be sleeping when Chloe was in the room if she was looking for her and I doubt Lex would visit Lana's dorm room.

[HalJordan4184]

We've been looking for oyu all night. Really, was that before or after you went to bed? Geez, at lest make sure there is continuity in your own episode. Have Lana just walk in on her with Lex there, then at least it doesn't look that bad.

[Superman_Beyond]

Lana was just really concerned for her best friend. She really thought Chloe was crazy and figured if belle reve helped Lex, that it could help Chloe. You guys act like she just doesnt care about Chloe.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Superman_Beyond
Lana was just really concerned for her best friend. She really thought Chloe was crazy and figured if belle reve helped Lex, that it could help Chloe. You guys act like she just doesnt care about Chloe.

You, together with Lana, forgot about Ryan... :\

[Superman_Beyond]

Originally posted by Timester
You, together with Lana, forgot about Ryan... :\

I remember Ryan, but obviously the writers dont remember ryan.

[jimmyolsenblues]

This whole episode pissed me off. Were the writers caught on time and had to come up with a hack ghost episode. I mean I would love to know exactly how long it took to come up with tonight's plot and script. Boo! <-- most intelligent thing I could think of.

Boo!

[uncsuperman]

i think it has been established, without any question whatsoever...that bellereeve is a bad place

yea

[Chlark Kent]

Originally posted by Timester
Lana officially forgot about Ryan. Good Lana. :rolleyes:

Ryan was in Summerholdt, not Belle Reve.
And I don't think she knows what they did to Lex, so this one's not her fault imo.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Timester
You, together with Lana, forgot about Ryan... :\

Ryan was actually a patient at Somerhalt Institute not Belle Reeve. But your point is understood. I started a thread about Lana thinking Chloe should be at Belle Reeve prior to the episode airing and I had the same thought. Nothing ever good comes out of Belle Reeve. Lex is a pretty good example even if Lana hasn't figured it out already.

[flcn6]

Originally posted by LuckyStar
well, "crazy" people rarely do, but i get your point.

Thats true, I guess crazy people dont get much of a say. In which case, wouldnt it be her father who would say whether or not she should go? But, like mentioned in another thread, HE WASNT THERE!!! The writers really went for it this time. Almost all of them said "Damn continiuty (sp?)". The one who remember...was doing the scene where Lex was talking about Fine :p

[AngylWylde]

the thing is, belle reeve *didn't* help lex - quite the opposite, its a bad place. lex knows that. and lana should as well. the problem with lana is she gives up on her supposed friends and loved ones too easily - or at least she doesn't believe in them like she should. she has done this to practically every person on the show. i sure wouldn't want someone like her as a friend. with 'friends' like her, you almost don't need enemies.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by Lifebound

Besides, Lana couldn't be so naive as to think that Chloe would be "helped" in Bellereve especially after what Chloe tried to do to Garner. I think this signfifies Lana's turning evil ?

Oh my.......must.........refrain........;)

[shinedown]

well she keeps on running to lex even after knowing what a bad person he can be ...who knows...

[Timester]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Ryan was actually a patient at Somerhalt Institute not Belle Reeve. But your point is understood. I started a thread about Lana thinking Chloe should be at Belle Reeve prior to the episode airing and I had the same thought. Nothing ever good comes out of Belle Reeve. Lex is a pretty good example even if Lana hasn't figured it out already.

Ops, I got twisted there (don't know why I tough about Ryan :confused: ). I meant Tommy Lee and the Twins, the same ones that kidnapped her.

[asparks]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
This whole episode pissed me off. Were the writers caught on time and had to come up with a hack ghost episode. I mean I would love to know exactly how long it took to come up with tonight's plot and script. Boo! <-- most intelligent thing I could think of.

Boo!

Boo! Good one, that actually made me laugh.

[Cookie 28]

What about chloes dad. Maybe he should have had a say in her care. You think?

[muffinpeddler]

Exactly! That's what my mom said! Chloe's dad should have SOME say! As for Belle Reeve...most meteor freaks end up there. In the comics it is turned into a penitentry for meta-criminals!

[Toppa]

Originally posted by Timester
You, together with Lana, forgot about Ryan... :\

Ryan was at Summer Holt not Belle Reve right? But I agree, Lana was extremely naive in this episode. She's been getting on my nerves since Reckonning.

[Christine C]

How could they put Chloe anywhere? Only her Father could do that he'd have to give consent. I guess they think we forgot she has a Dad. This was the dumbest part of the episode. Where was he?

[Timester]

Originally posted by Toppa
Ryan was at Summer Holt not Belle Reve right? But I agree, Lana was extremely naive in this episode. She's been getting on my nerves since Reckonning.

Yes, I already corrected it afterwards. I meant Tommy Lee and the Twins.

[amberdawn]

Originally posted by Cookie 28
What about chloes dad. Maybe he should have had a say in her care. You think?
My thoughts exactly. Its like he fell off the face of the earth.

[dizzy]

I guess he can't find his way out of that tiny one bedroom apartment, we haven't heard a thing about that man since season 4 Gone

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by Timester
You, together with Lana, forgot about Ryan... :\

Was Ryan even in Bellereve?

I mean if Bellereve was such a bad place, Clark wouldn't had been so quick to get back with Alicia after she got out and said she got help there. :rolleyes:

[Toppa]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Was Ryan even in Bellereve?

I mean if Bellereve was such a bad place, Clark wouldn't had been so quick to get back with Alicia after she got out and said she got help there. :rolleyes:

Yeah but the Doctor who treated her turned out to be a bit queer.

[shirkie]

Chloe would have had to sign herself in of her own volition or else the legal system would have gotten involved... It would have DEFINITELY not involved either Lex nor Lana, who aren't family members or her legal guardians. The Lana/Lex connection to Chloe was thrown in there simply so those characters had something to do in this episode. 100% contrived.
shirkie

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by shirkie
[B The Lana/Lex connection to Chloe was thrown in there simply so those characters had something to do in this episode. 100% contrived.
shirkie [/B]

And for Clark to have a reason to take her away so that girl in the wall can get into Chloe

[mandylilc14]

yeah i thought that was so stupid.. why in the world would lana or lex have a say in where chloe goes.. especially lex.. the most contact they have had was in the cave at the end of season 4...i didn't realize that gave him the power to have her transferred

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by mandylilc14
yeah i thought that was so stupid.. why in the world would lana or lex have a say in where chloe goes.. especially lex.. the most contact they have had was in the cave at the end of season 4...i didn't realize that gave him the power to have her transferred

Lois didn't seem too upset with the idea of Chloe going there either. :rotfl:

[superspider02]

it was a bad scene.

[mandylilc14]

Originally posted by Kreukie
Lois didn't seem too upset with the idea of Chloe going there either. :rotfl:

it seemed to me that lois was just upset that clark took her out of the hospital...not that he kept her from goin to belle reeve...

[Kreukie]

this whole episode was just one big bad scene.


Originally posted by mandylilc14
it seemed to me that lois was just upset that clark took her out of the hospital...not that he kept her from goin to belle reeve...

Lois said "Maybe that's what she needs." when Clark told her they were planning on taking her to bellereeve.

[amberdawn]

Yeah, I dont think Lois wanted Chloe to go to Belle Reeve, but she wanted her to be taken care of. The hospital was the best place fot that.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by amberdawn
Yeah, I dont think Lois wanted Chloe to go to Belle Reeve

She didn't disagree with the idea. Watch the scene again.

[amberdawn]

But she didnt say it was what should happen. Stop doing that to me.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by amberdawn
But she didnt say it was what should happen.

Again, she.didn't.go.against.it.

She said it wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[amberdawn]

Okay, lets just drop it. We are going in circles.

[Shiver]

1) Ryan was not in Belle Reeve. He was in Summerholt.

2) As far as Lana knows, Belle Reeve cured Lex. It's the best place around for mentally ill Smallvillites.

3) As far as LEX knows, it's the best place. His memories of the place was fried, and at the time he believed Belle Reeve cured him. Chlark later told him that his father had paid off Lex's psychiatrist (who also worked at Belle Reeve), but that doesn't mean the *institution* is a house of evil. It's a place where Luthor money has power - but then again, so is Smallville hospital, where Lex can have Chloe packed up and moved within an hour.

4) Lois *did* agree with Lex and Lana's recommendation (that's what "maybe it's not a bad idea" means).

5) Clark is the only one who disagreed. And he disagreed because he *saw* what had happened to Lex in Belle Reeve - something that even Lex doesn't remember.

Let's be clear. Lana *was* trying to do the right thing for Chloe. So was Lois. The only one with questionable motives was Lex (but isn't that always the case?)

[shirkie]

OK, let's pretend for a moment that Lex/Lana/Lois all have the purest of motives for wanting to send Chloe to Belle Reve.

Let me see if I can phrase this correctly....

So... Freaking... What?

ARE LEX AND LANA AND LOIS LEGALLY ENTITLED TO SIGN A LEGAL ADULT INTO A FACILITY? Simple answer: NO. Only Chloe and, if deemed necessary, the court have the power to transfer her to Belle Reve.
shirkie

[Timester]

Only if people read ALL the thread... :rolleyes:

I already corrected the "Ryan in Belle Reeve", twice... :\

But Lana knows about Belle Reeve, or everyone forgot about Hidden?

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Lifebound
Well, we all know that the bald billionare is willing to stoop to whatever low that may be necessary to bag his dream girl...Lana? Yeah, the scene was really corny. I doubt Lana would be sleeping when Chloe was in the room if she was looking for her and I doubt Lex would visit Lana's dorm room.

Not to mention the fact that she was "sleeping" in her clothes and the clock on the wall behind Lana said it was 8 o'clock. I was thinking that it would have taken at least 3 hours to get back to Met U after she she just left the hospital in SV but let's not forget she then went to see Lex. It was dark out when the lightening hit so even if the lightening hits at 5pm after getting Chloe settled in the hospital to think that Lana got back to Metropolis and in bed at 8 is really playing with the time line. It should have been the middle of the night. The times were off a little but just the usual stuff we loyal SV fans should be used to. I'm forgiving even though I still look for all the little details in the story telling.:p

[KRAM-el]

Bad writing... bad writing... bad writing... Same old song. As some have said before, just an "inserted" scene to build on the Lexana/Clex situation. Not to mention giving "Lana" as much screentime as the story would allow. Take out her scenes & the Marionel scenes, & it wasn't that bad. AM did a fantastic job with what she had to work with. This should've been a true "Chloecentric" episode, & any 'Lana' scenes should have been brief if at all. This is TPTB's fault, once again. Screw everything up for the sake of Lana. Great going guys -- Can't wait to see what you do next week (sigh)... :mad:

[Tomsgurl88]

Yeah i thought it was weird too. I can understand Lana wanting to help Chloe, but BELLREAVE??!!!! When has that place helped anyone out? I mean that was almost cruel and unusual punishment for Lana to suggest.

[Liriel]

3) As far as LEX knows, it's the best place.

Lex also knows it's corruptable. Because of the Lionel thing in Mortal.

[rumpuso]

None of these kids on Smallville have a right to decide anything about Chloe. That is up to her missing father, Gabe and her doctors who are hopefully wise enough to advise properly.

The entire episode was based on a ridiculous premise.

[TW1977]

Originally posted by Rafael122
Who in the hell gives Lana the right to take Chloe where she needs to be? Wow...unbelievably bad scene.

Amen! What's with that? How does Lex manage to take over Chloe too? Since when is he able to have someone outside his family, committed? Ummm....Huh?

:mad:

[Shiver]

rumpso: agreed.

The point I was trying to make is that the audience can't take the Lexana decision re: Belle Reve as evidence of evil on Lana (or even Lex's) part.

Liriel: For the Luthors, *everywhere* is corruptible. And until we saw Chloe's mom tonight (presumably in a different town), BR is the *only* psychiatric facility that's *ever* been shown on Smallville. Where else would Lex move her to?

Timester: I read your correction and appreciated it. i was just trying to sum up the evidence. Re: Hidden - correct me if I'm wrong, the only thing Lana learns about BR is that Lex sends Lionel there, and it apparently "cures" him. If you're thinking of "Mortal" - well, Clark apparently never told her about Lex's suspected involvement. Lana already knows there's criminally insane meteor freaks in BR, but wealthy non-criminals (i.e. the Luthors) pay for treatment there all the time.

[bluelila]

Having her friend committed and no one has a problem with it.
It wasn't Lana's place to have Chloe committed with Lex's help. And really with her past experiences, how can she do that to Chloe : How many times has she gone crazy and not been committed? She was the one possessed by a witch, and it is just one examples among others. She should be the one to seek help.

And for Lex saying he'll take care of Chloe, it was only for Lana's sake because he is so wrapped around her finger she says jump he says how high. I am disgusted by what they are doing to his character.

[muffinpeddler]

Originally posted by shirkie
Chloe would have had to sign herself in of her own volition or else the legal system would have gotten involved... It would have DEFINITELY not involved either Lex nor Lana, who aren't family members or her legal guardians. The Lana/Lex connection to Chloe was thrown in there simply so those characters had something to do in this episode. 100% contrived.
shirkie

Well, Lex does have a lot of power and influence.

[shirkie]

Lex's power and influence wouldn't be able to circumvent the legal process of commitment for a non-relative over the age of 18, though.

It just had to be done for the sake of plot, methinks. And to give Lex and Lana something to do in this episode, because if you think about it, they really didn't get to do anything. This ep was wonderfully Chloe-centric. I'm surprised they didn't have Martha bake a pie for her.
shirkie

[Damali]

Originally posted by bluelila
Having her friend committed and no one has a problem with it.
It wasn't Lana's place to have Chloe committed with Lex's help. And really with her past experiences, how can she do that to Chloe : How many times has she gone crazy and not been committed? She was the one possessed by a witch, and it is just one examples among others. She should be the one to seek help.

Let's say for the sake of the arguement that it wasn't Lana's place to suggest Belle-rave, then it wasn't Clark's place to take Chloe out of the hospital, he has no more authority on the well-being of Chloe than Lana.

Besides Lana has never actually gone "crazy".... b!+<y, witchy, and a little vampy....yes but suicidal... no. Chloe being committed to Belle-rave had more to do with Possessed!Chloe slilting her wrists. If it was just "I see dead people" talk may be everyone would have reacted differently but Chloe was bleeding on the floor asking for help. Trying to get her help wasn't a bad thing or out of place.

[I_am_LEX]

I dunno if anyone said this or not and i dont feel like reading every single post to check but
Lana never said Chloe belonged in Belle Reeve. She ask Lex about his stay there & then Lex said he'd get the best doctors for Chloe. Lana just asked for help, not about Chloe actually being in Belle Reeve. Then when Lex went to the hospital he re-worked Lana's concern and made it seem like she actually wanted Chloe in Belle Reeve when talking to Clark... and obviously he did it on purpose to cause a problem for Lana and Clark. Lex will find any little thing her can to exploit for his benefit, and this is exactly what he did in those scenes.
When it comes to Lex having the power and Influence and people thinking he wouldnt be able to beat the law... umm, money talks people, not just on tv but in the real world too. He's a billionare for starters, he's got people from about everywhere in Smallville or Metropolis in his back pocket... just show the green and it's done and yes it's that easy. He threatens to make life difficult for people and they cave because they are afraid of the Luthor name, and in the real world there are people that cave as well. Like they say, "everyone has a price" whether thats money or a threat on their personal lives.... thats just life.

[midnite_spark]

Originally posted by I_am_LEX
I dunno if anyone said this or not and i dont feel like reading every single post to check but
Lana never said Chloe belonged in Belle Reeve. She ask Lex about his stay there & then Lex said he'd get the best doctors for Chloe. Lana just asked for help, not about Chloe actually being in Belle Reeve. Then when Lex went to the hospital he re-worked Lana's concern and made it seem like she actually wanted Chloe in Belle Reeve when talking to Clark... and obviously he did it on purpose to cause a problem for Lana and Clark. Lex will find any little thing her can to exploit for his benefit, and this is exactly what he did in those scenes.
When it comes to Lex having the power and Influence and people thinking he wouldnt be able to beat the law... umm, money talks people, not just on tv but in the real world too. He's a billionare for starters, he's got people from about everywhere in Smallville or Metropolis in his back pocket... just show the green and it's done and yes it's that easy. He threatens to make life difficult for people and they cave because they are afraid of the Luthor name, and in the real world there are people that cave as well. Like they say, "everyone has a price" whether thats money or a threat on their personal lives.... thats just life.

THANK U!! I've been thinking that lana never actually said to admit chloe to belle reeve. that she only wanted doctors to LOOK at chloe, the doctors that helped lex...lex just twisted everything around in that scene with clark. i was just like :eek: :mad: when that happened.

[DARKRAGE]

Originally posted by Rafael122
Who in the hell gives Lana the right to take Chloe where she needs to be? Wow...unbelievably bad scene.

Yes I agre Lana is a tool

[shirkie]

Please, enough with the "crazy" banter. Offensive. Better to say "they thought Chloe was mentally ill" and not offend people.
shirkie

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by shirkie
Please, enough with the "crazy" banter. Offensive. Better to say "they thought Chloe was mentally ill" and not offend people.
shirkie

not that i disagree but (from the dictionary):

crazy

adj 1: affected with madness or insanity;

so calling someone crazy is an appropriate use of the word.

[shirkie]

I am well aware of the difference between connotative and denotative meanings of words. Just as it may be technically correct (in a denotative sense) to call the late Christopher Reeve "a cripple," sensitive people don't say offensive things like that. If someone is offended by your speech, that should be enough to make you think twice.
shirkie

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by shirkie
I am well aware of the difference between connotative and denotative meanings of words. Just as it may be technically correct (in a denotative sense) to call the late Christopher Reeve "a cripple," sensitive people don't say offensive things like that. If someone is offended by your speech, that should be enough to make you think twice.
shirkie

like i said, i'm not arguing with you on that.

all i'm trying to say is that someone could take offense on almost anything someone says here.

a term like crazy is rather benign.

plus i assume we have posters from different countries who may not even see the word as being offensive. or we may use words/terms that seem innocent to us that can be highly offensive to those elsewhere.

how far do we take the political correctness????

just my $0.02

also, i would advise skipping any episode of South Park that you may come across :p

[Toppa]

Originally posted by shirkie
Please, enough with the "crazy" banter. Offensive. Better to say "they thought Chloe was mentally ill" and not offend people.
shirkie

Who is that offending?

[Jephael]

You'd be surprised how easily offended people get with this stuff. Someone in my media class once did his own short horror flick where someone escapes from a mental institution and when it was screened, some lady took immediate offense.

As for Lana, I really have no idea what she's thinking at this point and it makes me mad that Clark went and tucked his nuts back in after "Reckoning". She shouldn't even be bothering with Lex in the first place!

[jimmyolsenblues]

I think a lot of people are rightfully upset about the episode.
Most posts I read detail why they are upset.
Smallville is not a mediocre show, normally is well written and well acting.
Tomb fell far below my expectations.
I wish they re-lable Tomb to "Filler Tomb"

[Christine C]

This was morre like something for an episode of Supernatural, not Smallville.

[smallville_fetish]

Well Smallville has gotten a lot darker.. maybe they were also trying to attract the Supernatural viewers as well..

[Watching Smallville]

I wasn't thrilled with the tone of this episode either, although I thought there was good character progress. But I'l leave those coments for the review thread. :)


Originally posted by midnite_spark
THANK U!! I've been thinking that lana never actually said to admit chloe to belle reeve.
When Lana went to Lex, she said, "When you were at Belle Reve, the doctors helped you with [garbled], didn't they?" Lex answered, "I'll make the call."

So Lana is the one who brought it up. I agree with people who think it was inappropriate for Lana and Lex to consult no one but each other in deciding Chloe's best treatment. If they were concerned, they should have gone to Chloe's family. Anything else is overstepping.

[muffinpeddler]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Well Smallville has gotten a lot darker.. maybe they were also trying to attract the Supernatural viewers as well..

They don't have to. Supernatural moves to Thursday in March, or so I've heard.