Regaining Your Faith In The Show

[Antonios]

I havent missed any episode of Smallville for 5 years now. If you come to think about it I was 21 when it started and I am 26 now. However season 5 didnt sink in well. I dont now what happened but I fould myself going fast forward in many episodes. I am happy to say that the last episodes have been what Smallville was all about. Perhaps I liked the fact they were in High School in the first seasons but it seems that the last episodes were coming to the same Smallville I have get used to. Episode 5x13 was one of the best episodes thus far. Indeed it changes the show's dynamic. Lets hope for the best.

[HalJordan4184]

i think it could get better, though at this point, I'm not holding my breath.

[attitudejc]

i actually am loving this season. i think it is the best thus far. to me, it couldn't get any better.

[tw190]

I think this season is great as well. My favorite, in fact. Well, I can see what you mean, but my view is: the characters are getting older, moving around a bit more and starting to face their destinies.

[Antonios]

Of course its a step forward the fact they are getting old. Anyway this allowed for some very interesting episodes. Even the actors changed as well. Would like to see how Lana is going to be drawn to Lex and how Lois is going to be interested in journalism. The one person that changed to the better is Allison Mack by the way. When did she become that more beautiful. Also a question: I think I read somewhere that the 100th episode means syndication. What does this mean? I am from Europe, Greece actually, so excuse the ignorance.

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by tw190
I think this season is great as well. My favorite, in fact. Well, I can see what you mean, but my view is: the characters are getting older, moving around a bit more and starting to face their destinies.
finally, it only took them 5 years :p


Originally posted by Antonios
Of course its a step forward the fact they are getting old. Anyway this allowed for some very interesting episodes. Even the actors changed as well. Would like to see how Lana is going to be drawn to Lex and how Lois is going to be interested in journalism. The one person that changed to the better is Allison Mack by the way. When did she become that more beautiful. Also a question: I think I read somewhere that the 100th episode means syndication. What does this mean? I am from Europe, Greece actually, so excuse the ignorance.

don't feel bad. im from america and i still don't know what that means. :D

[Antonios]

With the magic of Google. Check these two links:

http://www.answers.com/topic/television-syndication

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=9718lffoqtldb?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=100+episodes&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc07a&linktext=100%20episodes

[attitudejc]

thank you. :D

[LionelLuthor]

My faith has been regained from 'Commencement' on wards.
Ok, 'Thirst' 'Aqua' 'Exposed' and 'Fanatic' could have been better, but in every season we had seen bad episodes by this point.
'Vengeance' was an unbelievable episode and from what I see in the spoilers, it seems things can only get better.

[bertman]

each week gets tougher to watch. kill of chloe, get lois writing at the planet, and put clark in the suit already!

[Alan]

... and rename the show superman

I'm actually enjoying season 5, ok a few episodes were bad, the time travel bit I hated in 100, but that aside I think the second half of this season is going to be good.

[Antonios]

As I said, the death of the JK will change the show entirelly. Not to mention that the actors themselves are allowed to perform not only based on the script but using their current age. The Lanex (Lana+Lex) relationship for instance will be of great importance.

[DARKRAGE]

Never lost faith in the show oh no not me, gonna enjoy this ride till the end

[Clark Kent 86]

My faith was never shaken I love Smallville and always will!

[knightofkrypton]

I lost my faith after Season4. Which DESTROYED my faith in SV. Personally. I have no faith in 5.

I currently have no cable but have kept up with what is going on through Kryptonsite.

clark having sex with Lana???
(You know not disclosing that he's an alien (even though he was "normal" at the time. Thats a big risk.))

Clark begging for Lana's life and in the process getting his Father killed???


I donno.....

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Faith went out the door in S4, too. I'm watching it purely as an Elseworld show and mainly for Erica Durance.

[k18]

I still have faith in the show. Season 4 was not as bad as some people make it out to be. It wasn't the best, but it wasn't awful either. I've been watching the show as an Elseworld since day 1. That way, I was never disappointed. It's just a different take on the mythology, which is quite cool.

[Summers]

I have to say it started in S4 and went downhill, and thus began the tarnishment of DC Characters. From not speaking from a traditionlist point of view I would have to say S4 and S5 has proven to me the writers don't know what they heck they doing. Plus hearing the creators say all Clark wants to do is "get laid" is not encouraging as a viewer since S1 :lol:.

[-L-]

It sort of went downhill for me somewhere along the line but I keep watching it :lol:
The episodes always seem like they could have been done better. But, hey, maybe that's just me.

[ryb]

But enough about my complaint about the thread and the "leading" tone of it -- I've never lost my faith in the show, and the reason is because I look at the show as a means of entertaining escape -- and week after week it succeeds. No, it's not the best written show on television. No, it's not innovative or ground-breaking. My opinion. Who cares? It's fun and/or engrossing. Not much more to ask for for a genre-show like this.

I strongly disagree with the opinion that the writers have no idea what they're doing -- although at times they tend to get away from themselves (sometimes due to outside forces), their trend has been toward story arc and away from one-episode-wonders. And although many things are not completely coherent yet, I think much of that is intentional (e.g., Lionel and Jor-El). I think Season 5 has been very focused and ofen narrowly driven (<-- That's a positive).

As for the "get laid" comment by Al Gough -- totally taken out of context. First off, Gough never says that's "all" Clark is interested in (<-- He mentions other things as well). Secondly, I believe that's a theme of the show -- that Clark cannot become Superman if he continues his relationship/love for Lana (I also believe this is a theme, however told, of the 100th episode).

Ok, rant over. Haven't lost faith in the show.

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[Summers]

Originally posted by ryb

I strongly disagree with the opinion that the writers have no idea what they're doing -- although at times they tend to get away from themselves (sometimes due to outside forces), their trend has been toward story arc and away from one-episode-wonders. And although many things are not completely coherent yet, I think much of that is intentional (e.g., Lionel and Jor-El). I think Season 5 has been very focused and ofen narrowly driven (<-- That's a positive).

As for the "get laid" comment by Al Gough -- totally taken out of context. First off, Gough never says that's "all" Clark is interested in (<-- He mentions other things as well). Secondly, I believe that's a theme of the show -- that Clark cannot become Superman if he continues his relationship/love for Lana (I also believe this is a theme, however told, of the 100th episode).


They specifically said in S4 that they didn't even have a concentrate road-map for Lionel. They liked to mess with his character in every episode. Their words. That's just an example of their many screws ups and disorganization. The Death Arc and the Stones Arc are other examples.

Oh yea they mentioned sports :rolleyes:. I may have mis-quoted him by using the word "all", but laid is an objective for Clark he mentioned numerous times since S4 and even now. Gough said Clark wants to laid, and as a way to promote Aquaman's show. He continued to say A.C. wants to get laid. Give me a break. The fact neither Clark nor Lana was getting laid was one of the two primary variables to why they went on a "break". They heavily influenced that sex was a big issue to the "break" of Clana. Sex is part of life, but they treat like it is the only thing...one of prime objectives in a guy.

[angelfire east]

My faith in Smallville left in season 4 and hasn't retruned. Nothing in the spoilers or past episodes has made even feel like coming back. In fact the way things have been lately killed any faith I had left in Smallville.

[kewl]

loved the 1st half of S5E12, u know where clark gets to tell lana everything, proposed to her and lana in return accepted everything which means no more lies, no more secrets... but i definitely didn't like the 2nd half, pa kent has to die and now clark is back to all his lying and more secrets... ugh! i'll keep on watching though ;)

[knightofkrypton]

I don't have cable, nor do I have poor people cable. So I have yet to see any of Season 5. I have Season's 1 through 4 though.

4 made me angry, constantly. I lost all my faith in the show during that season. I have to say that everything I've read about Season 5 has severley disappointed me and made me loose even more faith.

I will probably buy 5 when it comes out, as I hate to have a series on DVD and not have it completed. Jus tliek I will buy Season 3 and 4 of Lois and Clark - out of my love for the first two seasons and the fact that I'm anal and can't have an uncompleted set.

[abarsami]

Season 5 regained my faith, since it started off so well. Smallville has been one of the only shows on tv that I watch relegiously, in addition to having all season's dvds.

However, I fear the writers are getting desperate and hope they don't blow the season.

I personally hope there will be at least 1 more season. Since there is nothing else to watch on tv.

[Amylopan]

I think the stones/Countess story arc in S4 was definitely a low point. The two weeks that Thirst and Exposed aired made me wanna throw in the towel, too.

Ep. 100 may help to change the dynamic in the show to something new (or "fresh" as the WB calls it- :( )

What keeps me watching? I'm very interested in seeing how the Brainiac & Zod stories end up.

Sadly, I get the feeling that we'll look back years from now and see the Countess story arc as the point in which the show jumped the shark....I would love to be proven wrong, though.

[Saber]

I lost my faith in Smallville in season 3 when they made Clark into a thief and they justified it by having him return the money with no other responsibility for that behavior. I only watch because MR is brilliant as Lex but now I see they are destroying his character also(Lexanna).
I can only wish now it will get better but with the 100th episode I ain’t wishing no more. I lost my fascination there. :\ .

[knightofkrypton]

Yeah, Season 3 started my disappointment but Season 4 cemented it.

I didn't like the whole Red K incident because he KNEW what it did to him and still kept it up. Being a thief, etc.

I didn't like him tattling on Lex to Lionel. Supes nor Clark would EVER do that.

and of course him leaving Lex to be placed in Belle Reve when he KNEW Lex wasn't crazy, and KNEW Lionel was behind it. But, Clark ran cause Lex knew his secret.

Then Season 4 came along and just about killed everything.

I am scared to watch Season 5.

[LionelLuthor]

Red K was an amazing story arc at the beginning of season 3, and it was the most entertaining opener for me.
That's just my opinion however, and Season 3 was Smallville at its best and it remains (with season 2 hot on its tail) my favourite season. Perfect opening. Perfect closing. Best episode 'Memoria'.

Nope Season 4 is where it definately went wrong, but season 5 really does show great promise and I have loved it a lot more than I have hated it. I found season 4 unwatchable at times, from the dreadful 'Recruit' to the even worse 'Forever' and to the down right embarrassing 'Ageless'.
'Commencement' as I said earlier, set up this season and regained my faith. Ok, I'm watching season one now, and I realise how much it's changed since the glory days- but I prefer more complex story lines.

Knightofkrypton, do not be afraid to watch season 5, but approach it with an open mind. You never know, you may actually get excited.

[knightofkrypton]

Originally posted by LionelLuthor
Red K was an amazing story arc at the beginning of season 3, and it was the most entertaining opener for me.

Yes it was BUT the problem with it was it made Clark Kent a "drug" addict if you will. He KNEW the effects it would have on him, he purposefully CHOSE to use the ring, which led to him going on a theiving rampage throughout Metropolis, alienating his family and friends with wild mood swings, etc. One Red K Clark was a druggie, who got an intervention from his father and then was forgiven right away because "he's special".

Yes, Season 3 had some AWESOME episodes. BUt when looked at as a whole especially with the whole Superman/Clark Kent character in mind, it failed miserably. Clark was SO un Clark Kent. He allowed a friend to be taken to a mental hospital when he KNEW and had PROOF that he wasn't crazy. He tattled to Lionel Luthor when Lex was trying to get his memories back that were stolen from him.

What gives Clark the right to make these decisions that hurt people??

His secret. I suppose that justifies everything.

When I do watch Season 5 I will try to keep an open mind. I will find it hard though as I've been keeping up with it on Kryptonsite and so far I'm just as mad and disappointed. Sex with Lana before disclosing his secret (yes he was "normal" but STILL). Begging for Lana's life which resulted in his fathers death. And thats just the main ones.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by Saber
I lost my faith in Smallville in season 3 when they made Clark into a thief and they justified it by having him return the money with no other responsibility for that behavior. I only watch because MR is brilliant as Lex but now I see they are destroying his character also(Lexanna).
I can only wish now it will get better but with the 100th episode I ain’t wishing no more. I lost my fascination there. :\ .

Yep that's when I lost ANY and ALL hope for SV was during that season.

[Magus]

the 100th ep was when i gave up on smallville. and tomb? please. that episode was worse than ageless!

[Gaara]

I lost hope for Smallville last season; I remember having to choose between Lost and Smallville in the beginning of the year, then by November, I'd be watching Lost, then recording Smallville, then by February, I'd even forget to record Smallville, and just watch Lost.

I regained faith in the show this season, but it still isnt exactly what I'm looking for. I've seen better writing for this show in the "fanfiction" section.

The aquaman series, Mercy Reef, was reported by one website to already be picked up by The CW. But I hope that series will be better then Smallville. But since its being made by the same people, I think it may have a chance of being worse. I think Smallville's height was in midseason 3; when Lionel put Lex in the mental institution, but then it just slowly went down from there, then it took a steep drop in season 4. This show needs some new writers; I'd suggest getting more writers from Angel or Alias.

[k18]

During season 4, I'd forget to watch some episodes. I missed the episodes, Crusade, Devoted, Jinx, Spell, Bound, Sacred, and Ageless. So I guess I was in and out throughout last season. This season is better but Tomb sucked! I don't care if it was a Chloe episode, it still sucked.

[BringBackSarah!!]

Season 5 has been the best. The first 3 episodes were awesome and so was the 100th! These episodes have been so dramatic! The last two kinda sucked, but all seasons have their flops. You have to remember the good ones.

Arrival, Mortal, Hidden, Reckoning... These eppys gave so much, the creation of the FOS, the human form relationship of Clana, a Chlark filled eppy with the death of Clark, and the ultimate reckoning with JK's death!!!

What more could you ask for?

Solitude, Splinter..... some fun episodes... not the best.... but we have some great times seeing what Braniac can do!! WOOO!!

What a ride!!! This season has been a joyride... with the other episodes as speed bumps and potholes. Yes... tomb sucked. lol. That was like a big crater in the road! But this season rocks in general!!

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[k18]

I agree, this season has been pretty good. I liked Reckoning (probably the minority) and Arrival and Splinter. Tomb and Thirst were the only flops IMO. Exposed was great (because of ED) although Aqua wasn't my favorite but not that bad either. The rest of the episodes were ok in my book.

[attitudejc]

the only episode that i really don't like is Aqua. but i think cyborg is going to replace that position. but, im still gonna watch smallville. nothing can keep me from it.

[photogirl]

I never lost faith in the show, and I'm gaining faith in my wonderful Chlark....

[RJK62284]

My faith never left Smallville

Loved it from the first ep. to the most recent. With just a few bumps in between.

[watcher4]

Although part of the Superman movie and mythos, Jonathan's death has been the catylist that has really caused me to lose faith in the show. I just feel that the show has taken on a new direction that does not include the older viewer. The majority of viewers are teens and the show is going more into that direction, as I guess it should.

However, these boards are addictive. I enjoy coming on here and reading what people have to say. I still respond to some of the posts that I can.

[dontkillchloe]

Clark can't be perfect..he's still a teenager..SMALLVILLE in no way is about superman..yes of course superman wouldn't do that stuff but CLark isn't superman..he still makes mistakes..he learns from them..he could have easily slipped on Red K after JK died..but he's matured more then he was 2 seasons ago..(yes i know people will argue and say.."where would he get Red K") but aside from that..he's growing up..let him make mistakes..its what will eventually make him who he is supposed to be
If Red K is supposedly a drug..then clark was acting just like anyone would on drugs..he couldn't get away..he liked the feelings that he was experiencing from it.

[HalJordan4184]

Yeah, he was acting just like anyone else. When does Superman go around acting like everyone else.

You say the show isn't abotu Superman. Yes, it is. If Clark adn Superman were two different people I could agree with you. But what seems lost on most people, is taht Clark, IS SUPERMAN. He might not put on tights and cape for a few years, but he is Superman. Everything he does as a kid, effects the credibility and such of Superman. And SMallville, has made Superman, a hypocrite. He has to be. Because Clark can't claim the moral high ground, when he hasn't lived it himself.

[UpandAtom]

After watching "Reckoning" and "Tomb" I have to agree. Clark has made some bad decisions in the past which resulted in bad consequences. Yet, he continues to make the bad decisions over and over.

[Madguitarist]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Yeah, he was acting just like anyone else. When does Superman go around acting like everyone else.

You say the show isn't abotu Superman. Yes, it is. If Clark adn Superman were two different people I could agree with you. But what seems lost on most people, is taht Clark, IS SUPERMAN. He might not put on tights and cape for a few years, but he is Superman. Everything he does as a kid, effects the credibility and such of Superman. And SMallville, has made Superman, a hypocrite. He has to be. Because Clark can't claim the moral high ground, when he hasn't lived it himself.

I was going to say the same thing.

They've stripped away Clarks morals so that they could make him easier to identify with, easier to write, and more vulnerable. When they did it though they stripped away almost everything that makes him Superman in the future.

Any faith I had left in Smallville vanished during season four.

[dontkillchloe]

how can you expect clark not to make any mistakes..he's still a regular kid..he's not superman..he isn't even close to being superman..his mistakes that he's still making is something KEEPING him from becoming superman..until he learns to accept things..he won't be..and once he does..it'll be towards the end of the show..he'll learn that he can't solve every problem or be able to help anyone..this is the story of how superman became superman..every superhero is bound to have made mistakes somewhere along the way..why does clark have to be perfect? before he is even who he is supposed to be
and it doesn't affect his credibility..no one knows that he is superman..superman is kind of like him starting over..thats why he still has a secret identity..sure he could easily be superman 24/7..but he wants to be a normal person..and normal people make mistakes..if clark was alway ssuperman..he wouldn't care about displaying his powers..but instead he finds different ways to solve his problems when he can't use his powers

[watcher4]

Originally posted by dontkillchloe
how can you expect clark not to make any mistakes..he's still a regular kid..he's not superman..he isn't even close to being superman..his mistakes that he's still making is something KEEPING him from becoming superman..until he learns to accept things..he won't be..and once he does..it'll be towards the end of the show..he'll learn that he can't solve every problem or be able to help anyone..this is the story of how superman became superman..every superhero is bound to have made mistakes somewhere along the way..why does clark have to be perfect? before he is even who he is supposed to be
and it doesn't affect his credibility..no one knows that he is superman..superman is kind of like him starting over..thats why he still has a secret identity..sure he could easily be superman 24/7..but he wants to be a normal person..and normal people make mistakes..if clark was alway ssuperman..he wouldn't care about displaying his powers..but instead he finds different ways to solve his problems when he can't use his powers

Maybe veiwers were expecting more of a sudden change in Clark now that Jonathan is gone. I still remember reading countless posts about how Jonathan was in the way of Clark becoming Superman. It could be that veiwers are wanting him to become Superman-now! Since that might be the case, veiwers may be measuring the present Clark against the Superman of the future. Of course, he would not measure up.

[Videogamer49107]

I love this season so far. I think the only really bad episode was 'Lexmas'. Other than that I've really enjoyed the rest of this season. Season 4 was pretty in my opinion, it had it's good spots, but it had it's really bad spots. I've been watching the show since I was a freshman in high school and Clark was also just starting his freshman year, so that's kind of cool. I don't think I've ever really lost faith in this show, it's just dissapointed me some times when they've come so far only to take steps back in caliber of writing and acting...but season 5 has been excellent. I hope they keep this going for a long time. Season 6, 7, etc.

[HalJordan4184]

To say what he does doesn't affect his future credibility is pure bull. Just because no one knows hes a drug addict, and felon, doesn't mean he's not a hypocrite. Superman isn't about Clark starting over, and never has been. Superman is about Clark being a good person, plain and simple. Not about him overcoming his past mistakes. Because quite frankly, Smallville is nothing like how SUperman grew up. He's the unique hero who's life isn't riddled with tragedy, pain, and sorrow. He had a quiet boring life, away from the worlds problems. That's how he came to be. Not by being a druggie bank robber, who never has to own up to his mistakes. Do i want a perfect Clark, no. Do i want a clark who isn't the total opposite of what he's supposed to be, yes.

[dontkillchloe]

and you're forgetting that smallville is its own mytho..its Almiles take on how superman became superman..they aren't going to follow the same storyline as the comics did..bc the movies never really showed clarks childhood..and im not entieraly sure about comic books..but regardless..Smallville is its own world..they are making clark more human then superhuman which is fine..all these mistakes he makes..just pushes him closer..because you can see how these decisions are affecting him..and he will realize he cant control everything and he can't always grab a crystal and go back to the beginning of the day..this is just a different take on clark grew up as a kid...deviating from what i guess the comics portrayed clark as..bu then again..i doubt they went this much in depth on supes life before he was supes

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by dontkillchloe
how can you expect clark not to make any mistakes..he's still a regular kid..he's not superman..he isn't even close to being superman..his mistakes that he's still making is something KEEPING him from becoming superman..until he learns to accept things..he won't be..and once he does..it'll be towards the end of the show..he'll learn that he can't solve every problem or be able to help anyone..this is the story of how superman became superman..every superhero is bound to have made mistakes somewhere along the way..why does clark have to be perfect? before he is even who he is supposed to be
and it doesn't affect his credibility..no one knows that he is superman..superman is kind of like him starting over..thats why he still has a secret identity..sure he could easily be superman 24/7..but he wants to be a normal person..and normal people make mistakes..if clark was alway ssuperman..he wouldn't care about displaying his powers..but instead he finds different ways to solve his problems when he can't use his powers

I don't think that Clark shouldn't make mistakes. I think that Clark should end up learning from his mistakes, which he doesn't.

For example, when Clark refused to take Lex to an asylum in "Shattered", Lex ended up hurting Lana and killing Morgan Edge.

Now he was in the same position in "Tomb" where everyone thought that Chloe was crazy, but he refused to get her some help. In the process he endangered her life, Lois's life, and caused the death of the orderly.

[HalJordan4184]

dontkillchloe, the point is, you can't change the entire beginning, and say the rest is just the same.

You are right, this is Al/Miles version of how Superman grew up. Unfortunately, they have no idea who or what Superman is, outside flashy powers and a cape. They don't know the person, they don't how the character thinks. Clark isn't everyhero, which is what smallville is about. How any superhero came to be. This isn't how the greatest, most well respected, best superhero came to be. This is how Clark became anyhero. And that's the problem, because Superman, isn't an anyhero. He's THE HERO. He can't be that because of his past, adn Al/Miles don't get that, because they have no idea what they are doing, and have admitted in the past, their complete lack of understanding of their own cahracters. Al claims he invented Lana Lang.

[KryptonX81]

Things that must be done to fix smallville

1. Dont make Lex completly evil yet. Save that for the final season. Right now, make him like he was in season four. Still inherently good and friends with Clark, but with darker hidden agendas.

2. The show's name is Smallville, not Metropolis. Is it too much to ask for the majority of the show to be set there?

3. Stop making every single shot take place at night.

4. Bring back Johnathan. He was a critical part of the show. Martha is an ok charachter but nothing compared to the mentor roll that he filled and that Clark really needs. Crazier things have been done. It is possible.

5. Less throwaway episodes.

6. Make the dialouge smarter and better written. It feels rushed, cheesy, and illogical in some parts.

[knightofkrypton]

Cheesy? Yes, much, but bringing back Jonathan would probably come off cheesy.

Haljordan is right, Clark isn't everyhero. He's NOT Peter Parker, cursed by his gifts who basically guilted himself into being a hero (i.e. the death of Ben pushed him through guilt to be a hero)

Clark in SV is that way, he saves people mostly because he feels guilty over the Kryptonite, or Lana's parents, or whatever. He moans and groans about Lana all the time, when it isn't his powers that made them have a bad relationship, it was his constant lying to her that resulted in their bad relationship.

They're trying to put a modern, more "acceptable" spin on a hero that isn't modern, nor acceptable anymore BECAUSE of his principles and goals that make him MORE than just every other hero out there.

If you took the Clark from Lois and Clark and compared him to Clark from SV, yu get two completely different people, and NOT because one just happens to be older and more mature.

Clark from L&C was The Hero (as haljordan puts it) he was the hero in and out of costume, he lived by his principles and wouldn't back down on them, even at times if it meant his secret getting out.

I've always held the opinion, that for some reason people hold on too long to Superman tv shows and series, until they are pushed into cheesiness, camp, and corny plots. THe Superman movies, did it, L&C did it, and I fear SV is not far behind.

[UpandAtom]

I think Smallville has already done the cheesy plotlines, back in Season 4.

[lois_lane-kent]

Originally posted by Antonios
I havent missed any episode of Smallville for 5 years now. If you come to think about it I was 21 when it started and I am 26 now. However season 5 didnt sink in well. I dont now what happened but I fould myself going fast forward in many episodes. I am happy to say that the last episodes have been what Smallville was all about. Perhaps I liked the fact they were in High School in the first seasons but it seems that the last episodes were coming to the same Smallville I have get used to. Episode 5x13 was one of the best episodes thus far. Indeed it changes the show's dynamic. Lets hope for the best.
I'm starting to lose my faith in the show too. I find myself not wanting to watch the show. But I think it's natural for a show like this. This season is the show's transitional season - out of high school and into the real world. I had the same feelings about Season 4 of Buffy.

[HotRodTE]

i think out of all the seasons season 4 was the worst

[attitudejc]

you guys are crazy! season five, in my opinion is the best ever! i have never lost faith. and is never gonna!

[KryptonX81]

Originally posted by knightofkrypton
Cheesy? Yes, much, but bringing back Jonathan would probably come off cheesy.

If they handled it right it could be the greatest episode of Smallville ever.

[watcher4]

Originally posted by knightofkrypton
Cheesy? Yes, much, but bringing back Jonathan would probably come off cheesy.

There was a very popular show that aired from 1978 to 1991 called "Dallas". One of the main characters who had been "killed off" came back. The explaination is that the entire season he was gone was explained as someone's dream. When I read this, it reminded me of that.

[Summers]

The famous Bobby Ewing in the shower. The whole season was just a dream. My mom still says she felt jilted as a viewer even if it was a crappy season :\.

[Smallville Dominator]

How could anyone lose faith to such an amazing show. Season 5 has rocked since episode one and I'm already drooling over the episodes to come. After the last one I can hardly resist reading the spoilers.

This season shows how well the writers have formed to the minds of the directors. Every episode comes with meaning to episodes coming up. Thats what I like about this show so much. In the past seasons you didn't see that, there were shows that had no relevance to episodes that followed, like Nicodemus. In this season it is bang on the money. Every episode with meaning pushing characters into their future roles in the superman mythology

[HalJordan4184]

You yourself just said it. It took FIVE years to get to the basic premise of the show since season one. I for one, didn't want to wait four years, before anything signifigant finally happened. I watch TV to get a story, and entertainment. Not wait five years for the story and entertainment to finally get to where they should have been

Season five has been alright so far. Personally, season one is still my favorite. It held the most promise. Before they went and mucked it all up. Back in season one, Clark was closer to being SUperman than he is now. He had the attitude, morality, and personality that Superman is supposed to have. Then they decided that wasn't good enough, and no we have how Marvel's Superman might have come out.

[attitudejc]

Refer to my post below for Edit. -Lex

[Summers]

Loyal to the Superman Franchaise no matter what crappy incarnation it may be ;).

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
Because this isnt just a smallville forum, there is veronic mars, lois and clark, superman in general, birds of prey, aquaman and al the other tv shows that are discussed here.

yet it is under the "gerneral smallville discussion" :confused:

[Jellie]

I like most of the people here and have made a few friends. Thats why I post.

[Summers]

Color me confused. I thought these type of questions weren't allowed anymore since it creates animosity :confused:.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by Summers
Color me confused. I thought these type of questions weren't allowed anymore since it creates animosity :confused:.

They aren't? Oops, I didnt know.

Deleting my posts now...

[Summers]

Not yours silly lol. This question "then what are you doing here?"

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

10) We cannot stress this enough: DISCUSSION ON THIS BOARD SHOULD AT ALL TIMES BE ABOUT THE SHOWS THEMSELVES, NOT OURSELVES, THE BOARDS, OTHER POSTERS OR OTHER FANS. Threads about why people like Lana more than Chloe (or Logan more than Duncan or WHATEVER) or posting things like "People who think that are just stupid and prudeish" or attempting to psychoanalyze the reasons why another member of this board feels the way they do, or even couching it under "positive" terms such as "I'm glad people stopped talking about that really stupid and annoying subject!" or "I'm glad most people have the sense to agree with me!" are not allowed.


Originally posted by attitudejc
if you guys really have lost faith in smallville that much, then what are you doing here?

I recommend that you re-read the rules and truly get familiar with them before you post again.

[MBCorp]

I haven't regained faith in the show but I am enjoying it alot more this season. I've discovered that the best way to watch SV is if you're slightly drunk while watching it. Stuff that used to bother me about the show doesn't bother me as much. Plot inconsistencies, bad character development, lame plotlines, etc, if you're kind of drunk then you don't even notice them. It just makes it a more pleasurable viewing experience all around and I heartily recommend it to anyone who finds that they can't enjoy the show anymore.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by Summers
Not yours silly lol. This question "then what are you doing here?"

Oh... Okay, d'oh. lol.

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by Smallville Dominator
How could anyone lose faith to such an amazing show. Season 5 has rocked since episode one and I'm already drooling over the episodes to come. After the last one I can hardly resist reading the spoilers.

This season shows how well the writers have formed to the minds of the directors. Every episode comes with meaning to episodes coming up. Thats what I like about this show so much. In the past seasons you didn't see that, there were shows that had no relevance to episodes that followed, like Nicodemus. In this season it is bang on the money. Every episode with meaning pushing characters into their future roles in the superman mythology

i couldn't have said it better myself.

[UpandAtom]

I won't regain my faith in the show until the writing improves. It seems to be the same plots over and over again. Every episode can fall into one of these categories:

1. A freak is obsessed with a regular

2. Clark meets a future superhero

3. Clark tries to run away from his destiny

4. Clark tries to get with Lana

I just don't feel like we're getting anything new.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Agreed UpandAtom.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Smallville Dominator
How could anyone lose faith to such an amazing show. Season 5 has rocked since episode one and I'm already drooling over the episodes to come. After the last one I can hardly resist reading the spoilers.

This season shows how well the writers have formed to the minds of the directors. Every episode comes with meaning to episodes coming up. Thats what I like about this show so much. In the past seasons you didn't see that, there were shows that had no relevance to episodes that followed, like Nicodemus. In this season it is bang on the money. Every episode with meaning pushing characters into their future roles in the superman mythology

Thats your take on the show.
Not everyone thinks that it it is soo amazing.

Personally it has been going downhill ever since s4 when erica durance was intoduced.
She and her character Lois are just pathetic IMO.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Thats your take on the show.
Not everyone thinks that it it is soo amazing.

Personally it has been going downhill ever since s4 when erica durance was intoduced.
She and her character Lois are just pathetic IMO.

So why are the episodes that she isnt even in, just as bad?

[Summers]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
I won't regain my faith in the show until the writing improves. It seems to be the same plots over and over again. Every episode can fall into one of these categories:

1. A freak is obsessed with a regular

2. Clark meets a future superhero

3. Clark tries to run away from his destiny

4. Clark tries to get with Lana

I just don't feel like we're getting anything new.

Agreed. Similar plotlines and such. Just more Clana angst than ever.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
So why are the episodes that she isnt even in, just as bad?

There were a few good ones.
Hidden and mortal..for instance.
And Splinter......

[Summers]

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
So why are the episodes that she isnt even in, just as bad?

I know many blame ED, however; I think some are pulling The Yoko Factor(not BtVS episode :lol: ) where many blamed Yoko Ono for The Beatles breaking up, but the truth was The Beatles were already having trouble before she came along. Same with SV. Nothing really changed in S1-S3 we did great development of:
-Chloe
-Lex(though it was just more backstory)
-Lionel
-Jonathan Kent
but everything else nothing happened really. S3 trouble was brewing with Clark's development, and how they do the episodes then and now. They are either rip-offs of movies and tv shows concepts, but badly executed. The dialogue isn't that great anymore either. It's the same set-up all the time. I find it hard to blame just one actress for that :\.

[UpandAtom]

Erica Durance didn't help, that's for sure. I enjoyed seeing her for two or three episode, but after that it was "Come on, already!" She didn't serve any point to the show and all she could talk about was how much she hated Clark and give numerous in-jokes. Now she's basically become eye candy for the viewers.

[Summers]

True, but it's not her fault. It's the writers, and what they are doing with her character. She's just there to deliver lines and do the best she can with them. But it's the writers job to give her an arc, and some more depth. Actresses can give give depth to a character when the writers come half-way with their part. I did like her arc with the Kents this season. It was small, but it was something. I just tend to blame the writers and creators more on this.

[UpandAtom]

Are you talking about Lois's run as Jonathan's campaign manager? That doesn't really add depth to her character. Lois is supposed to become a journalist and yet she's doing something completely unrelated to that. That arc would've been something better suited for Pete.

[Summers]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
Are you talking about Lois's run as Jonathan's campaign manager? That doesn't really add depth to her character. Lois is supposed to become a journalist and yet she's doing something completely unrelated to that. That arc would've been something better suited for Pete.

Uh...I know ;). Hence why I said "It was small, but it was something" lol. I didn't say it was depth either I was just pointing out the very little she did do I liked. Pete's not here, so obiviously to them they couldn't do anything else. I'm just saying the blame shouldn't be on ED. She got a paying job, and she is doing what TPTB is telling her to do. She doesn't have that much power. Hence the blame on the writers. See?

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
I won't regain my faith in the show until the writing improves. It seems to be the same plots over and over again. Every episode can fall into one of these categories:

1. A freak is obsessed with a regular

2. Clark meets a future superhero

3. Clark tries to run away from his destiny

4. Clark tries to get with Lana

I just don't feel like we're getting anything new.

this is just my opinion, but every time it is a little bit different at least, which makes it better. its not like they are repeating line by line the same thing. not arguing.

[watcher4]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
I won't regain my faith in the show until the writing improves. It seems to be the same plots over and over again. Every episode can fall into one of these categories:

1. A freak is obsessed with a regular

2. Clark meets a future superhero

3. Clark tries to run away from his destiny

4. Clark tries to get with Lana

I just don't feel like we're getting anything new.

I feel the same way. However, I still enjoy coming to this forum.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by attitudejc
this is just my opinion, but every time it is a little bit different at least, which makes it better. its not like they are repeating line by line the same thing. not arguing.

I really have to say they are just repeating it in a different method reproducing exactly the same event to take us back to the same square we started with hence the lack of development and growth of the relationship. It would be different if every year these characters grew and developed instead of being light switched but they always end up coming back to that particular method.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
I really have to say they are just repeating it in a different method reproducing exactly the same event to take us back to the same square we started with hence the lack of development and growth of the relationship. It would be different if every year these characters grew and developed instead of being light switched but they always end up coming back to that particular method.

This is where I think that Reckoning failed. I'm sorry, but losing Jonathan Kent in that episode was not enough to drastically change the show or these characters. I do feel that his death will have impacts later on in the show, but his character doesn't effect many characters in this show, only Clark and Martha. I do feel that Martha's character is given a bigger role now, but aside from her, Clark is still behaving the same way and Chloe, Lana, Lois and Lex aren't even effected by the death. Lois is the big problem with this show, in my opinion. Sure Clark's development or non-development is a problem, but Lois brings nothing to the show but comedic relief. Every other character at least has a purpose...Lana is Clark's love interest, Chloe is Clark's search engine, Martha is now senator, Lex, Clark and Lionel aren't even worth mentioning because they have the best roles on the show. Lois has no love interest and no job. This, I believe, is because Chloe is still around. Chloe is still the Lois in Clark's life minus the romantic feelings. If they plan on having Chloe in this show, they shouldn't have brought Lois into it. You can't have both at this point because part of what we expect to see is Lois becoming the great journalist that she is supposed to be along with Clark. If Chloe were gone, Lois could step up and become who she is supposed to be and she can also become a major character in this show. She's just being wasted now, I hate to say it, but she is.

[UpandAtom]

I agree. It's hard to believe that one death will change Clark's outlook on life and make him realize that he needs to act like a hero. We've seen the deaths of Whitney and Alicia which were significant as well, but Clark still acts the same when presented with similar situations.

[Summers]

Don't forget Ryan as well :(. I loved Ryan, and now it's like he never even happened. We only got one reference to him in "Memoria", but that's it.

[HalJordan4184]

ryan, the proto jon kent. The first death that was supposed to teach Clark, you can't save everyone, and your actions have consequences.

Whitney was more, see what you can do with your life, you can do something noble and brave, and even if you die, and fail, you tried yoru best and risked it all. First major lesson not yet learned IMO.

Ryan was the second major lesson, Clark miraculously unlearned two episodes later.

I'm not even sure the point of alicia's death outside of shock value.

Now Jon Kent. His death serves to show us, well, that Lana is more important, and Clark doesn't think things through. Thanks for clearing that up TPTB. I mean, obviously he picked up the nickname BDA because of his well thought out, intelligent plans and decision making skills.

:\

[watcher4]

Originally posted by myankskent
This is where I think that Reckoning failed. I'm sorry, but losing Jonathan Kent in that episode was not enough to drastically change the show or these characters. I do feel that his death will have impacts later on in the show, but his character doesn't effect many characters in this show, only Clark and Martha. I do feel that Martha's character is given a bigger role now, but aside from her, Clark is still behaving the same way and Chloe, Lana, Lois and Lex aren't even effected by the death. Lois is the big problem with this show, in my opinion. Sure Clark's development or non-development is a problem, but Lois brings nothing to the show but comedic relief. Every other character at least has a purpose...Lana is Clark's love interest, Chloe is Clark's search engine, Martha is now senator, Lex, Clark and Lionel aren't even worth mentioning because they have the best roles on the show. Lois has no love interest and no job. This, I believe, is because Chloe is still around. Chloe is still the Lois in Clark's life minus the romantic feelings. If they plan on having Chloe in this show, they shouldn't have brought Lois into it. You can't have both at this point because part of what we expect to see is Lois becoming the great journalist that she is supposed to be along with Clark. If Chloe were gone, Lois could step up and become who she is supposed to be and she can also become a major character in this show. She's just being wasted now, I hate to say it, but she is.

Gosh! During the death watch guessing game there were SO MANY people who were saying that Jonathan was the one standing in Clark's way and that when Johnathan died Clark would be able to fulfill his destiny. Well, Jonathan is dead and Clark still has not donned on the blue tights.

Now, you say that Chloe is in Lois' way. Good grief! The writers of this show are the ones who are in the way.The writers are stuck in one mode and they keep going back to the same method.....with different 'window dressing". However, it is pretty much the same thing. It appears that TPTB still don't give SV fans enough credit for their intelligence.

[knightofkrypton]

chloe has ALWAYS been in Lois' "way"

She was the proto-Lois, before they decided to bring Lois into the mix.

She's just like Lois should be. Pushy reporter that always finds herself in trouble and falls in love with the hero.

She holds everything that Clark will find that he likes in Lois. Chloe is the one I thought would die because out of all of them she's the ONLY one that doesn't have a place in the future story.

[IstvanSK]

Originally posted by knightofkrypton
chloe has ALWAYS been in Lois' "way"

She was the proto-Lois, before they decided to bring Lois into the mix.

She's just like Lois should be. Pushy reporter that always finds herself in trouble and falls in love with the hero.

She holds everything that Clark will find that he likes in Lois. Chloe is the one I thought would die because out of all of them she's the ONLY one that doesn't have a place in the future story.

I agree whit you....

[UpandAtom]

I agree that Chloe is in Lois's way. Had Chloe actually died in "Covenant", we might've seen Lois acting more like a reporter and helping Clark around. Instead, they made the stupid decision to keep her alive and now they can't have two Lois Lanes running around.

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by knightofkrypton
chloe has ALWAYS been in Lois' "way"

She was the proto-Lois, before they decided to bring Lois into the mix.

She's just like Lois should be. Pushy reporter that always finds herself in trouble and falls in love with the hero.

She holds everything that Clark will find that he likes in Lois. Chloe is the one I thought would die because out of all of them she's the ONLY one that doesn't have a place in the future story.

what about lionel?

[myankskent]

Originally posted by knightofkrypton
chloe has ALWAYS been in Lois' "way"

She was the proto-Lois, before they decided to bring Lois into the mix.

She's just like Lois should be. Pushy reporter that always finds herself in trouble and falls in love with the hero.

She holds everything that Clark will find that he likes in Lois. Chloe is the one I thought would die because out of all of them she's the ONLY one that doesn't have a place in the future story.

I totally agree. In order for this show to move forward, Chloe has to go. Her character has been explored enough already, we have seen the best out of her character. Now we have to see the best out of Lana and Lois' character, and Clark for that matter.


Originally posted by attitudejc
what about lionel?

Lionel isn't holding any character back. Lex is still gaining his evil edge even with Lionel in the picture. Chloe has halted every characters development. Lois is a waste with Chloe in the show. Lana's character has suffered as well and Clark's character has suffered. Clark and Lois will never be the big reporters with Chloe in this show. She has been the reporter for long enough, it's time for the real people to take over.

[attitudejc]

yes, i agree he isn't holding anyone back, but someone said that Chloe was the only character created for the show, and i thought lionel was too.

[knightofkrypton]

Lionel has existed before but he's never actually been a factor in Lex's life. Usually he's dead in the other incarnations, or he's nothing of consequence.

In SV they took Lionel and made him into a great part.

Chloe is the only real character that they completely made up. And truth be told they just made a young Lois and named her Chloe.

[UpandAtom]

In the comics, Lex's father wasn't named Lionel. He was named Arthur. The Lionel Luthor of Smallville acts more like a post-Crisis Lex Luthor than anything else.

[Timester]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
In the comics, Lex's father wasn't named Lionel. He was named Arthur. The Lionel Luthor of Smallville acts more like a post-Crisis Lex Luthor than anything else.

Currently retconned Birthright-Lex has a "father" named Lionel (a guy that he pays off to pass as his father during his time in Smallville).

[UpandAtom]

Did the Birthright comics mention what happened to his real father?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

He was burned alive in one of Lex's experiment in Smallville, which also made him bald as a result and forced Lex to leave Smallville.

[Timester]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
Did the Birthright comics mention what happened to his real father?

They still die on the car crash planned by Lex. Lex, then, uses the money from the insurance to hide himself and hire an "father" (an actor) named "Lionel". The actor dies on the Smallville accident.

[Welling Is Hot]

I actually was losing some faith in season 4 as it was on the network with the whole stone witch nonsense but after I bought the DVD and watched it again I was a little more content with it I personally think Season 5 is actually a pleasant recovery from last season and have had some of the most powerful episodes of the series right up there with ones like shattered, exile, memoria etc.

[watcher4]

First, many people said that Jonathan HAD to go for the story to move forward. Now, people are saying that Chloe HAS to go in order to move the story forward. No wonder I have lost faith in the show! How many people is it going to take who HAVE to go!

[myankskent]

Originally posted by watcher4
First, many people said that Jonathan HAD to go for the story to move forward. Now, people are saying that Chloe HAS to go in order to move the story forward. No wonder I have lost faith in the show! How many people is it going to take who HAVE to go!

First of all, I never said that Jonathan had to go. I never wanted him to go not because I liked his character, which I do, but I realized that his death was not going to change as many characters as a Chloe death would, and by change I mean a change in their personalities and interests. I hate to say it, but Chloe has been in the way ever since Lois entered the show. There, I said it. How can I say that Lois is in the way when she has a major part in the superman mythology? Therefore, I have to say that Chloe is not just in the way of Lois becoming a big time reporter and Clark as well, but she is also in the way of Lana's role in Clark's life. Lana is the one who is supposed to be his closest friend, a person who he is able to share his secret with. Now the death of Jonathan is over, it can't be reversed unfortunately, but I still think TPTB need to make a decision, Lois or Chloe, one must go. Sorry, but you can't have both and make it work. You can't have Chloe stay on this show and continue to work her way up the corporate ladder at the daily planet and expect to do justice to Lois' character as well. It's just not possible.

[hassenmorad]

Originally posted by Antonios
The Lanex (Lana+Lex) relationship for instance will be of great importance.

That made me laugh. It's Lexana. Don't worry, though. You'll get it soon enough.

[knightofkrypton]

Amen. The problem is I've thought from day one that Chloe would be the one to die.

1. Because she is too much like Lois. If he likes all those qualities in Lois why not in Chloe?

2. Clark isn't that interested into journalism. With her death it would catapult him into fighting for truth justice and the american way i.e. through the newspaper. Not to mention dedicate his powers and abilities to something like (her death) never happening again.

3. Chloe is the only character in the show that isn't a "real" comic character. She has no place in the Superman mythos.

But as to regaining my faith. I'm not so sure about that. I've lost so much.....

[DreadShamus]

Originally posted by attitudejc
yes, i agree he isn't holding anyone back, but someone said that Chloe was the only character created for the show, and i thought lionel was too.
Right around the Crisis in the mid eighties there was a Lois Lane mini-series where she was investigating Lex Luthor having killed his slum living/abusive parents when he was a child. It was never fully pulled into the main story lines, but it helps explain where the SV writers got some ideas.

I lost a lot of faith in the show during season 4. I actually didn't even watch the end of the season because I got tired of waiting for the month long spring break to end.
I caught them later on, but still wasn't impressed.

But I have had a problem for a while with the lame ways they keep coming up with to explain why 'super genius' Lex is too stupid to have figured out Clark's Kryptonian connection. I just accept this as a 'Elseworlds' superboy/clark kent story and enjoy it as much as possible. At this point they have made it impossible for Clark to be Superman in the future without Lex and several other villains knowing his secret identity.

As for the Chloe topic: I was thrilled when they blew her up at the end of season 3. I loved the way they introduced Lois. It brought Lois and Clark together as 'investigative reporters' and started the classic love/hate relationship. Then Chloe returned. BLAH! I've always seen Chloe as a way of explaining Clark later become a reporter as part of his SI. Now she's just been played out.

If they now start seperating Clark from his SV setting a little at a time (just enough to keep the show going) they can get to his later leaving to become Superman without all the childhood ties holding him back.

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by watcher4
First, many people said that Jonathan HAD to go for the story to move forward. Now, people are saying that Chloe HAS to go in order to move the story forward. No wonder I have lost faith in the show! How many people is it going to take who HAVE to go!

I never thought Jonathan's death would change anything. Al Gough obviously hasn't seen his own show if he's saying that Jonathan's death will cause Clark to go from Superboy to Superman. Ever since Season 4 Jonathan has become less and less important to the point where Clark didn't even need his advice anymore. If they really wanted JK's death to have an impact, they should've killed him off in Season 3.

As for Chloe, she does need to go. Her death doesn't need to be the catalyst for Clark becoming Superman or Lois going into journalism, but she should just be killed off because she's an superfluous character. Her presence itself is what prevents the writers from having Lois or Clark do the investigative reporting.

[tjpw fanatic]

I've never lost faith..Hypnotic was a little shaky..but they had to pick up the story-line somewhere! lol so i still have complete faith in Smallville and it's characters:)

[Jason1779]

Theys are the things that need to happen for the show to move on and not just get frigging boring:

1.Clark needs to get the power to fly, he is 18 rite now he should be fully developed with all of his powers, plus the show needs to get some spice added into it, clark hasen't gotten a new power in like about 2 seasons (half way threw season 3 to half way threw season 5) if he doesn't get it than the show can't move on because clark will still remain slightly childish because its like he still hasen't developed and is 18..........

2.Clark needs to tell lana his secret for good. (she can't remain a character if she is always bitter towards clark and can't trust him because she is suppose to be his closest friend.)

3. Cloe needs to get killed off (the show can't progress if she is still around because it keeps clark from getting wit lois.)

4. Clark and lois need to get together.... if they don't than there is no point in even having lois in the show because she serves no other purpose.....

[tjpw fanatic]

Originally posted by Jason1779
Theys are the things that need to happen for the show to move on and not just get frigging boring:

1.Clark needs to get the power to fly, he is 18 rite now he should be fully developed with all of his powers, plus the show needs to get some spice added into it, clark hasen't gotten a new power in like about 2 seasons (half way threw season 3 to half way threw season 5) if he doesn't get it than the show can't move on because clark will still remain slightly childish because its like he still hasen't developed and is 18..........

2.Clark needs to tell lana his secret for good. (she can't remain a character if she is always bitter towards clark and can't trust him because she is suppose to be his closest friend.)

3. Cloe needs to get killed off (the show can't progress if she is still around because it keeps clark from getting wit lois.)

4. Clark and lois need to get together.... if they don't than there is no point in even having lois in the show because she serves no other purpose.....

^^sure she does..comic relief! her and clark hating on eachother=:rotfl:

[clarkandlana2]

up until mortal, this was by far the best season ever(for me and all clana fans)
now it just sucks, horribly sucks......

[tjpw fanatic]

^^nah i think its time for clana to be over..no offense to the clana fans..its just getting old..but dont get me wrong id much rather have clana than lexana cause thats just disguisting

[ginnyfan]

As I was losing my faith in Smallville... Season 4 was disappointing to me... My Smallville buddy stopped watching after Spell (hahaha!)... My sister came home over break and reluctantly started watching my DVD's of Seasons 1,2,3 out of bordom and she really got into it... She's a tough sell so I rediscovered the fun of Smallville through her enthusiasm for the show and she's become my Smallville buddy :)