Ep 4.12 - Pariah

[e-µ-i]

He doesn't mention the Kawatche animal shape-changing girl either. Clark apparently gets over the death of his girlfriends really quickly. Kind of messed up! I mean, why would the writers kill someone off if they weren't going to have ramifications beyond that specific episode?

Exactly. Sometimes I think us fans would make a 10 times more logical and better story :confused:

[tyson08]

I just saw this episode and 'Unsafe' for the first time in the entirety. I didn't realize how great these episodes were and how much I really liked the character of Alicia. I was very upset with the way they killed her off without Clark or anyone getting to apologize about quickly accusing her of the crimes. I loved that Chloe found out and the way it happened was great. This is one of the best episodes of the season.

[dreamsofnever]

Exactly. Sometimes I think us fans would make a 10 times more logical and better story :confused:

Yes sometimes I think we would!

There are so many cases where 'Smallville logic' rears its ugly head.

There has to be a thread somewhere, listing all the little (and massive) inconsistencies!

Anyways, no offense to Alicia and Calicia fans, but I really wasn't a fan of Alicia. She was kinda cute in the beginning of Unsafe and the actress is definitely pretty, but I never quite got Clark being willing to look past the whole trying to kill Lana thing, so this episode kinda bugged me.

But c'est la vie.

[shase]

This episode just aired on tv here in Portugal and i really enjoyed it.
It's bad that Alicia died because they could have made something more with her.

[drew24]

Killing Alicia in this episode and for Clark never mentions her at all the following episodes shows me that the "writers" got scared that they've created this character (Alicia) who have an instantaneous spark and chemistry with Clark that the Lana Lang character might be in dire strait so they just abruptly killed her.:\ Why did I say abruptly? How many times has Lana, Chloe or his parents been in danger and somehow the writers make sure that Clark will be able to save them? A lot.
They should have at least pursue the realationship Clark and Alicia might have because they made it clear that Clark fell in love with her. I don't mind if the Alicias character die, but they made it too soon.

[shy175223]

I don't think he fall in love with her, he cared for her.

[disciples of zod]

this is one of my favorite episodes for season 4. i really felt for Alicia and honestly believed that she had changed after Unsafe. the ending is really good, too...classic Chloe! I love it.

~H

[kg1507]

The thing I hated the most about this episode was that Clark was so distraught over her death, and then he just goes right back to mooning over Lana. That sickened me. It's just like what's going on in Season 8.

What I liked best about Alicia was how hard she tried to convince Clark to tell everyone his secret because he'd always be alone if he didn't. Something about how she spoke to him about it made it seem so much more powerful to me. Plus, she risked her life to keep him safe by jumping in front of that bullet. That's compassion, if not love.

[SGuthrie27]

That's true, kg1507. I think the writers don't use enough continuity between episodes, at least in major story arcs. I would've been okay with it even if they'd given Alicia a mention or two over the next two episodes, but they didn't even do that. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the Lana departure in Season 8.

In spite of that, I LOVED "Pariah" -- one of the best episodes of Season 4, by far. It was the one Alicia episode that I really enjoyed, and allowed me to see the potential of that character. Her death was really tragic and sad, to be sure. I LOVED how Chloe found out Clark's secret, and made the decision to not mention it until Clark brought it up himself and just stay supportive in the meantime.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[TomTom44]

I have to admit. Season 4 was the absolute cutest Tom. He was absolutely breathtaking when, after Alecia had died, he was throwing a ball against the wall. His face looked so serious. His muscles were bulging through his t-shirt. That moment was the best he ever looked. Anyone remember that scene?

[BigT]

I don't think he fall in love with her, he cared for her.


WRONG!! Clark did love her. He even said it himself while battling Tim.

"I loved her and you took her away from me!"

[shy175223]

he said that out anger he didn't mean it that way.

[BigT]

he said that out anger he didn't mean it that way.


Then how do you explain the other 2 episodes?

Clark really did love her, dude.

[shy175223]

He liked her, he didn't really love not that way anyway.

[computermaster]

so whatever happened to the freak of the weak that killed alicia.

[chlo-el]

Clark loved Alicia. She made him smile, she made him feel normal and special at the same time. He defended her when no one else would. He totally loved her and that's why her death was tragic and he went a bit crazy and almost killed that guy in his grief.

He may have moved on later but he still loved her.

And anyway as for the guy that killed her I think he went to Belle Reeve.

[shy175223]

I think he cared for her but he didn't love her.

[BigT]

Pariah has to be one of the much better episodes of a rather lame season in this one.

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I think he cared for her but he didn't love her.

Well that's just you're opinion. Others will say otherwise.

[lifelovedestiny]

I would rate this episode an 8 there were some great (Lois & Clark) moments and also Chloe found out about Clark's secret which is important.

[SleepingBeauty]

I didn't really like Alicia but it was sad to see her die in this way.
8 of 10

[DarkKal]

I give it a 10. I think they were pretty much forced to kill Alicia off, because if she lived then Clark would have never got together with Lois.

[MjLaDy08]

I love how Lois can reach Clark even in his deepest that no one can ever do...

[pizzahead2490]

I think he cared for her but he didn't love her.

I agree. I don't think Clark loved her it's impossible he hardly know her. I do think he cared for her.

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I love how Lois can reach Clark even in his deepest that no one can ever do...

That is why I love Lois Lane. :)

[wendelboe]

I think he cared for her but he didn't love her.

Then how do you explain how Clark act when they were in Vegas? -
Red Kryptonite dampens he's inhibitions, and there were definitely love in that scene, or did he just do that because he "cared" for her ?
He may have only shown/told that he loved her when he's on RedK or after Alicia died, but that's just Clark worrying about himself and what people might think.

[shy175223]

Like I said he cared but didn't love her.

[krpto]

personally I think you have to love somebody to care about them at all that said I don't think clark's love for alicia was the same as his love for lois or his love for lana or any character on smallville.

[shy175223]

Let' just say that he cared for her very much..

[wendelboe]

Let' just say that he cared for her very much..

Say what you will, but Clark on RedK doesn't exactly get married right away with anyone (apparently not even when he was in Metropolis with a lot of girls), those repressed feelings he showed right there didn't show up with any other girl that he just cared about.

You have a right to your opinion that you didn't like Alicia, but it's pretty clear that Clark did love her. However you judge Clark's situation on this, Clark did love her anyway and lets face it, it's just history now old news.
Clark has moved on now and so should we ;)

[shy175223]

that's fine, you have your opinions and I have mine..but he wasn't in his right mind...so he didn't love her, he cared about her but he didn;t love her. He forget her within in a year, didn;t he?

[BigT]

Say what you will, but Clark on RedK doesn't exactly get married right away with anyone (apparently not even when he was in Metropolis with a lot of girls), those repressed feelings he showed right there didn't show up with any other girl that he just cared about.

You have a right to your opinion that you didn't like Alicia, but it's pretty clear that Clark did love her. However you judge Clark's situation on this, Clark did love her anyway and lets face it, it's just history now old news.
Clark has moved on now and so should we ;)


Yup! Clark has moved on and is now with his lady love, Lois Lane! I really liked Alicia but Lois will always be Clark's true love.

[Canary]

Yup! Clark has moved on and is now with his lady love, Lois Lane! I really liked Alicia but Lois will always be Clark's true love.


you said it ;)

[Nimkong]

This episode is the best alicia episode.Liked how of course alicia is in it,liked how clark cried at the death scene and like how chloe found out clarks secret

[Smokethatkryptonite]

Like I said he cared but didn't love her.

I agree. He even said in Mortal that Lana was the only girl he ever loved. Of course now that's change since he loves Lois now but at the time it proved of his three relationships (Lana, Kyla, Alicia) Lana was the only one he loved. If he did truly love Alicia he sure got over her pretty quickly. I would of though her death would have been a bigger reason for him not wanting to go to prom in Spirit not because Lana wasn't going with him

[KalEltheBoyscout]

Lois>Alicia>Lana, nuff said.

[Supsfan]

For whatever reason I always get a good chuckle out of Tim the sandman. Whenever I see people reminisce about the Grand Ol' Days of Smallville, he is the first thing that comes to my mind.

[BigT]

lois>alicia>lana, nuff said.


ITA! :D

Especially with the first two. We all know Lois is the love of CK's life so that's inveitable. Lois & Clark have come along way on the show since they first met in season 4. I know some ppl think they're relationship is more of a light-switch and I could understand that but if TPTB knew they were going to last 3 more seasons after season 7 then they definately would have taken the time to build it up more. But I think the way they handled Clois has been done very well. Not great but very well. Especially after that AoS in the middle of season 8. :mad: :p I think it will come full circle in season 10 and hopefully they'll do a great to wonderful job @ making them true soulmates. After all, it's endgame. Plus Tom and Erica have very good chemistry and play off each other very well. So hats off to them. It wouldn't have been possible without them. :D


Alicia definately comes @ a close second. She was someone that Clark could relate to because of their specialites. They didn't know about the other until that elevator accident @ the LuthorCrop building during that field trip. Plus I will say this to the day I die! Tom Welling and Sarah Carter had the best chemistry on the show. Bar none! And I think the reason why it was so short is why it makes Calicia more special. It's a true love that is rare. Even though SOME ppl heavily disagree, I think she was SV's version of Lori Lemaris or the closest thing to it. I'll always love Alicia Baker and I wish she would have stayed around for seasons 5-7. If she hadn't been murdered and if Lois wasn't endgame then I do believe Alicia would have been Clark's true soulmate.

Lana was nothing more than borderline obsession IMV. Clark was blinded by her beauty and automatically saw her as this perfect angel. You know? Like Al/Gough did! :lol: He saw all of this in her without knowing a SINGLE thing about her and claimed that he was in love with her since he was 7. :rolleyes: Talk about pushing the envelop. Now Clark, there is a HUGE difference between being in love and having a crush. Plus you were 7! You didn't even know the defintion of the word then! So yeah, that don't play with me. Granted Tom and Kristin had good chemistry and they relationship was pretty good in the first 2 seasons. But from season 3 and up, it was all about the angst. And after watching this show, I'm convinced that there is NOBODY more wrong for Clark than Lana. And unfortantely for us, we had to put up with 7 seasons and 5 episodes of the WORST ship on this show. :\ :mad: They did everything, and I mean EVERYTHING to convince us that Clark and Lana were true soulmates. Instead they suceeded in the complete opposite and failed miserably. Along with all the reasons they wanted us to love the Lana Lang character but instead they gave me EVERY reason to hate her! :eek: :lol:

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Again please, stop with this 'she could've been or could be their version of Lori Lemaris'. I see NO comparisons between these two characters. NONE. Clark was only happy because he didn't have to hide his abilities from her. THATS IT!

Hey, don't get me wrong. I probably would've like Alicia IF they hadn't turned her into some psycho stalker chick with unstable issues. And I would have like to see her live at least to make something of her life and leave Smallville. But TPTB, I guess, felt that she served her purpose so to speak other wise they wouldn't have killed her off.


Would you stop! Alicia was the closest thing we've EVER got to Lori Lemaris on this show. Granted they are differences in their characters but there are some notable similarites as well. Don't tell ppl that she's not this version of LL just because YOU don't like her. Plus Clark did love her very much and many of us fans felt it.

Yes, he got over her death rather quick but I think that falls on Al/Gough because they wanted to pair Clark with Lana by the end of the season. Yay! Yet some Clana fans say Clana isn't forced? Yeah right? That is why they killed her off. Not to mention they're ever lasting obession with Lana Lang.

If that wasn't the case we could have had something new and fresh. Even though Alicia did do some wrongs her mistakes are MINOR compared to Lana's. Alicia was more of a soulmate to Clark than Lana EVER would be. I would rather have someone like Alicia on the show that has flaws and issues as her own instead of a character who the producers are clearlt trying to forced down our throats as this perfect little princess. And the worst part is some ppl actually believe that! :eek:

[shy175223]

Would you stop! Alicia was the closest thing we've EVER got to Lori Lemaris on this show. Granted they are differences in their characters but there are some notable similarites as well. Don't tell ppl that she's not this version of LL just because YOU don't like her. Plus Clark did love her very much and many of us fans felt it.

Yes, he got over her death rather quick but I think that falls on Al/Gough because they wanted to pair Clark with Lana by the end of the season. Yay! Yet some Clana fans say Clana isn't forced? Yeah right? That is why they killed her off. Not to mention they're ever lasting obession with Lana Lang.

If that wasn't the case we could have had something new and fresh. Even though Alicia did do some wrongs her mistakes are MINOR compared to Lana's. Alicia was more of a soulmate to Clark than Lana EVER would be. I would rather have someone like Alicia on the show that has flaws and issues as her own instead of a character who the producers are clearlt trying to forced down our throats as this perfect little princess. And the worst part is some ppl actually believe that! :eek:

Sorry but I DONT see any similarities between these two characters EVER!!! That is just pure speculation right there.....Alicia doesn't EVENcome close to being Lori Lemaris...yes Clark cared for her very much but he didn't love her.BIG DIFFERENCE.:rolleyes:

[Dyanara]

No offense but there is no way you can know if Clark did or didn't love Alicia.
Just went back and saw the non stop debate over whether Clark loved Alicia or not. I don't think you can base this opinion on whether you like a character or not. A lot of people hate Lana but there is no denying that Clark loved her.
I hope I didn't say this already, but I wanted to smack Lana and Jason this episode. I also hate that those who believed Alicia was guilty didn't apologize. But I will say that Clark should not have brought Alicia to the talon. Lana could or would talk to her when she was ready if ever.

[shy175223]

I'm sure he cared for her BUT there;s NO way that he loved her.

[VilleFan]

I love Alicia. This episode made me very sad :(

[killerjax]

I'm sure he cared for her BUT there;s NO way that he loved her.

Ohh wait.. Clark claiming that he loved her and nearly KILLED for her doesnt mean he really loved her.. k

I guess your words weigh much more than the source itself.

This Episode was great, was sad to see Alicia die, her and Clark had a great dynamic and alot of Chemistry. Like alot of ppl said she had alot of potential, she could have atleast been a recurring character :P

What buffles me is the way Clark quickly forgets his ex's.. Even Lana - the supposed love of his life. As much as i love Clois, this version was rushed.

Edit: Jeez im like 7 months late lol

[shy175223]

see that just proves he didn't love her that much or Lana,.

[Raistlin]

well, I guess that's enough for some.

:lol:

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I usually don't hate Lana, but in this episode she was a total b*tch

As opposed to Lois taking a cheap shot over an open mike. I think there was more to Lana's angry rejection of Alicia's apology. I get the feeling when Lois made the marriage/date remark it was the first time Lana had heard of it. I think some of her reaction was due to jealousy.

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Just because it's human nature doesn't mean what Alicia did was right. She gave Clark her word that she'd keep his secret, and wasn't her right to reveal it. She was falsely accused and many assumed she was guilty, but it's not like the sherriff locked her up without a trial. Honestly, I can't completely blame Clark for having his doubts based on Alicia's history and the evidence. Blind loyalty is not a good thing.

Exactly right. The same thing applies to Lana's attitude. She had been attacked by Alicia once before. Alicia was the only person (they knew of) who could teleport herself, so it was not unreasonable to think she was up to her old tricks. No one was exactly rolling out the welcome mat for Alicia except Clark.

[killerjax]

see that just proves he didn't love her that much or Lana,.

Now your telling me he didnt love Lana that much.. You do know that were talking about smallville Clark, i mean even the comic Clark loved Lana.. I guess you find Clarks love for Lois much more then that for Lana? lol

Clark loved all of them, not on the same degree but he still loved them. The show actually shows who he loved the most but i guess thats not what were here to discuss. Clark did love Alicia, proven fact you cannot argue that, well unless you wrote smallville and know that what TW said was a script error, otherwise the fact still remains as Clark loved Alicia.

[toflyup]

He never mention her again because Lana was the siren song of Smallville ,leads men to their doom...:lol: Clark was a horn dog when you
consider women,who knows who is favorite was. I know I'm going to upset some of you but I didn't like Chloe finding out about Clark
that was when Clark became dumb. You know what would have been awesome Clark thinking for himself and keeping his identity from everyone
but his parents. A lot more superman y but they wanted to elevate Chloe oh well,:lol:

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What would have been neat to have Oliver be Clark's best friend,they could have been heroes together,keeping the women guessing..;)

[Raistlin]

I am not clear why Martha holds so much anamosity towards Alicia. Perhaps the powers that be wrote her that way to dispell the chemistry that had developed between her and Clark. I think Martha was extremely bothered by the magnetic effect she seemed to have on her son. After all, she actually had him considering exposing himself to the world. Martha probably felt that Alicia was just as dangerous to Clark as Kryptonite so her reactions were atypical of her normal behaviour. Obviously you felt the same way I did in that it was a cruel and unfair judgement.

Teleporting herself into Clark's bedroom probably went a LONG way in causing Martha's dislike for her. Parents don't really cotton to that sort of thing. You have to remember Ma & Pa Kent hadn't even met her when she showed up half-naked in their son's bed. Then add being nuts, trying to kill Clark and Lana and having no sense of boundaries, and I'd say Alicia pretty much cooked her goose with Mama Kent and was never going to get into her good graces.

That said, I think most of the Smallville regulars were quick to jump to conclusions and make snap judgments where Alicia was concerned. And none of them redeemed themselves, except Lois, of all people. Her advice to Chloe was intuitive and respectful. But as soon as Lois left, Chloe looked at her Wall of Weird and wondered why Clark didn't just tell her. In that moment, I really didn't like Chloe. Who the hell does she think she is? She is not entitled to every bit of information about her friends. They don't owe her any explanations, and that attitude just rubbed me the wrong way.

I really didn't like Chloe's appearance at Alicia's grave either, or her "comforting" words to Clark. I was left with the feeling that it was still all about Chloe trying to pry Clark's secret out of him instead of being really sorry for his loss and her part in the verbal "tar and feathering" of Alicia. Another barf-worthy moment, Ma & Pa Kent’s half-hearted platitudes in the loft. I liked them about as much as I liked Chloe in this episode.

One last thought, Lois looked at Clark like she'd never seen him before after he quit squeezing the life out of the FOTW. Her expression was an odd combination of awe and respect.

[killerjax]

That said, I think most of the Smallville regulars were quick to jump to conclusions and make snap judgments where Alicia was concerned. And none of them redeemed themselves, except Lois, of all people. Her advice to Chloe was intuitive and respectful. But as soon as Lois left, Chloe looked at her Wall of Weird and wondered why Clark didn't just tell her. In that moment, I really didn't like Chloe. Who the hell does she think she is? She is not entitled to every bit of information about her friends. They don't owe her any explanations, and that attitude just rubbed me the wrong way.

I really didn't like Chloe's appearance at Alicia's grave either, or her "comforting" words to Clark. I was left with the feeling that it was still all about Chloe trying to pry Clark's secret out of him instead of being really sorry for his loss and her part in the verbal "tar and feathering" of Alicia. Another barf-worthy moment, Ma & Pa Kent’s half-hearted platitudes in the loft. I liked them about as much as I liked Chloe in this episode.


You misinterpret Chloes intentions. Chloe is the most loyal friend Clark has ever had, she would never ever use his secret against him. She experienced first hand how lonely and terrible keeping her mothers secret from Clark was, She wondered why Clark never trusted her.

Your sort of comparing Chloe to Lex and Lana, Chloe never demanded to know everything about Clark (well she did in truth) but she matured. She never set tests for Clark inorder for her to learn his secret, she let him come to her.

And at the grave scene, another thing you misinterpreted. Chloe was sort of mourning Alicias death with Clark, ofcourse she didnt know her very well, but she hoped her words would comfort Clark, She compared Alicia to Clark, how it must be hell to think that No one would ever accept you because your different, because thats what Clark felt, no one would ever understand him, she reasured him that even though Alicia was gone she would always be there and nomatter what she would never look at him differently.

She was really sorry, because of her misjudgement and rash conclusions.

You are partly right about Ma and Pa, telling Clark it wasnt his fault made it even harder for him. I guess nothing in that moment would have made Clark feel any better.

[shy175223]

Now your telling me he didnt love Lana that much.. You do know that were talking about smallville Clark, i mean even the comic Clark loved Lana.. I guess you find Clarks love for Lois much more then that for Lana? lol

Clark loved all of them, not on the same degree but he still loved them. The show actually shows who he loved the most but i guess thats not what were here to discuss. Clark did love Alicia, proven fact you cannot argue that, well unless you wrote smallville and know that what TW said was a script error, otherwise the fact still remains as Clark loved Alicia.
okay I take that back about Lana however as far Alicia he cared for her but he didn't love her.

[wellinglover66]

Another missed opportunity...darnit!:lol:

[Raistlin]

You misinterpret Chloes intentions. Chloe is the most loyal friend Clark has ever had, she would never ever use his secret against him. She experienced first hand how lonely and terrible keeping her mothers secret from Clark was, She wondered why Clark never trusted her.

And at the grave scene, another thing you misinterpreted. Chloe was sort of mourning Alicias death with Clark, ofcourse she didnt know her very well, but she hoped her words would comfort Clark...

I haven’t misinterpreted Chloe’s actions and my opinion of her in this episode stands. Chloe proved herself to be a loyal and trusted friend over time. Based on her history of nosiness and prying, not to mention the damage she’s caused along the way, exactly why would Clark trust her with his secret? Why the hell would she even ask that question? Chloe has been guilty of treating Clark’s life like a mystery she had to solve. She dug into his adoption and caused some crazy woman to show up at his house claiming to be his mother. Who does that? Then she got mad because he liked someone better than her and signed up to be Lionel’s spy. She’s really lucky Clark didn’t exile her from his life permanently for those stunts. Trust has to be earned; you don’t just get it because you want it. Clark has had a lifetime of jealously guarding his secret not just a few short months, and Clark’s secret is far more significant and dangerous than Chloe’s mother being in a mental institution. No comparison.

All of Chloe’s heavy-handed attempts at letting Clark know he could talk to her always struck me as self-serving. She dropped enough anvils on Clark’s head that he even asked her about it.

And finally, you don’t sort of mourn. You either do or you don’t. Her presence at Alicia’s grave felt intrusive and her regret was too little too late.

[killerjax]

okay I take that back about Lana however as far Alicia he cared for her but he didn't love her.

Clark did love Alicia, I dont know why your arguing facts.. I mean sure if we were arguing if Alia loved Clark or not then i could understand your angle, but in this case, Clark himself said he loved her, the dude almost crossed his own Moral boundary..

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I haven’t misinterpreted Chloe’s actions and my opinion of her in this episode stands. Chloe proved herself to be a loyal and trusted friend over time. Based on her history of nosiness and prying, not to mention the damage she’s caused along the way, exactly why would Clark trust her with his secret? Why the hell would she even ask that question? Chloe has been guilty of treating Clark’s life like a mystery she had to solve. She dug into his adoption and caused some crazy woman to show up at his house claiming to be his mother. Who does that? Then she got mad because he liked someone better than her and signed up to be Lionel’s spy. She’s really lucky Clark didn’t exile her from his life permanently for those stunts. Trust has to be earned; you don’t just get it because you want it. Clark has had a lifetime of jealousy guarding his secret not just a few short months, and Clark’s secret is far more significant and dangerous than Chloe’s mother being in a mental institution. No comparison.

You forget back then that they were kids, Chloe had a teen crush on Clark and never got why he couldnt see past Lana. Everyone in smallville save the people that found him (the kents) treated Clark as a mystery needing to be solved. The reason was Clark was Openly secretive; People could sense that the dude was keeping something from them and blatantly insulting theyre intelligence while doing so. Im suprised non of them actually figured Clarks secret by season 2.

Clark has lashed out more times to earn the "get out of my life" card more times then Chloe has. Chloe on all ocassions has forgiven Clark without a second thought. Clark had a habit of randomly accusing people who didnt meet his self-righteous standards and making them feel guilty for something they never commited.

The Lana thing, tell me, how would you feel that your best friends with this really hot girl/boy and you just patched things up and promised to be totally honest with each other, then he/she goes and makes out with a girl/boy who is also your friend who your promised to also be honest and open with each other, witnessing all this while they both know how much you love your best friend? You have to understand Chloe felt betrayed, and her reaction was VERY much understandable. And yet at the end of the day she put her own families welfare below Clarks friendship/trust.


All of Chloe’s heavy-handed attempts at letting Clark know he could talk to her always struck me as self-serving. She dropped enough anvils on Clark’s head that he even asked her about it.

And finally, you don’t sort of mourn. You either do or you don’t. Her presence at Alicia’s grave felt intrusive and her regret was too little too late.

She wanted to ease him in, she knows how painful and lonely keeping something from people you care about is, she saw Clarks relationship with Lana crumble and im preety certain she deduced the fact that Clarks dishonesty was the cause. She was simply being a friend, Something Clark has tried to do to her more then once (the easing in thing).

You can sort of mourn someones death, ofcourse its not moral but depends on whose looking at it.

Her regret was too little to late? How was she to know that there was someone else who tried to kill Lana? Its not like it would have been Alicias first time.. She simply acted like how most people would have, I gotta rewatch the Episode but didnt she help Clark investigate? Atleast she showed regret for her actions unlike most of the people who were involved. She cared so much for Clark that she couldnt bare see him in that state.

[shy175223]

Clark did love Alicia, I dont know why your arguing facts.. I mean sure if we were arguing if Alia loved Clark or not then i could understand your angle, but in this case, Clark himself said he loved her, the dude almost crossed his own Moral boundary..OHHHH yeahhh than in one episode he forget about her than by he end of the season he wenr right BACK to Lana yeah he really did love her.








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[killerjax]

OHHHH yeahhh than in one episode he forget about her than by he end of the season he wenr right BACK to Lana yeah he really did love her.



Didnt he forget about Lana after requiem?

[shy175223]

Again that just shows how much he LOVES Alicia..i don't think so.

[killerjax]

Again that just shows how much he LOVES Alicia..i don't think so.

Your gauging your answer by how long it took to forget them? Seriously? So that means he never Loved Lana because he forgot about her? Seriously? The show disagrees with you

He loved Alicia. There is no Discussion involved. Unless as i said you know it was a Script error then Clarks words will always weigh over what you say.

[Raistlin]

You forget back then that they were kids, Chloe had a teen crush on Clark and never got why he couldnt see past Lana.

You are giving me a lot of reasons that don't address my perception of Chloe's past actions (that fly in the face of someone trusting her) and her self-serving behavior in Pariah. Her crush on Clark has nothing to do with her curiosity, which causes her to cross boundaries and intrude where she's not wanted. My point is based on Chloe's history and, at this point in time, Clark has no reason to believe he can trust her with his secret.


Everyone in smallville save the people that found him (the kents) treated Clark as a mystery needing to be solved.

None of Clark's classmates pried into his life like Chloe did.


The Lana thing tell me, how would you feel that your best friends with this really hot girl/boy and you just patched things up and promised to be totally honest with each other, then he/she goes and makes out with a girl/boy who is also your friend who your promised to also be honest and open with each other, witnessing all this while they both know how much you love your best friend? You have to understand Chloe felt betrayed, and her reaction was VERY much understandable. And yet at the end of the day she put her own families welfare below Clarks friendship/trust.

:eek: I have no response to this.

[killerjax]

You are giving me a lot of reasons that don't address my perception of Chloe's past actions (that fly in the face of someone trusting her) and her self-serving behavior in Pariah. Her crush on Clark has nothing to do with her curiosity, which causes her to cross boundaries and intrude where she's not wanted. My point is based on Chloe's history and, at this point it time, Clark has no reason to believe he can trust her with his secret.

And she apologized for it each and every time, she tried to battle her reporters instinct alot, and most of the time she was caught off guard.

Like Chloe said a million times, when it came to Clark she was never rational. Would that affect her curiosity, probably yes. And about Clark not trusting her, Clark never gave anyone a reason to trust him, yet Lana, Chloe, Pete and even Lex gave him the benefit of the doubt and bought into his dumb excuses. Its not that Chloe didnt deserve his trust, its more that Clark didnt want to trust her.


None of Clark's classmates pried into his life like Chloe did.

Let me rephrase; Most of the people around Clark treated Clark like a mystery.


:eek: I have no response to this

I personally excuse Chloes behavior, because she had enough respect and care for Clark to actually check on how he was and even acknowledged her wrong doing. Again, regardless of what Clark put her through she overlooked all those instances and was there for Clark each time he needed her.

IMO Chloe is the only True friend Clark has had and ever will have, and she is among the few people who can call Clark on his flaws :)

[Raistlin]

And she apologized for it each and every time, she tried to battle her reporters instinct alot, and most of the time she was caught off guard.

Like Chloe said a million times, when it came to Clark she was never rational. Would that affect her curiosity, probably yes. And about Clark not trusting her, Clark never gave anyone a reason to trust him, yet Lana, Chloe, Pete and even Lex gave him the benefit of the doubt and bought into his dumb excuses. Its not that Chloe didnt deserve his trust, its more that Clark didnt want to trust her.

Okay, let's stop this. Because all I'm getting is excuses for why Chloe did things that were unacceptable. You are not recognizing the fact that it doesn't matter what her excuses (reasons, if you will) were or how many times she apologized after the fact, she stuck her nose where it didn't belong repeatedly--even when she knew it pissed people off. So for her to ask why didn't Clark just tell her was the height of arrogance to me. She is not entitled to know EVERYTHING about EVERYBODY, best friend or not. She should have respected her friend enough to let him come to her on his own terms. She was horrible seasons 1-3 and those actions damaged her trustworthiness. End of story. :)

[killerjax]

Okay, let's stop this. Because all I'm getting is excuses for why Chloe did things that were unacceptable. You are not recognizing the fact that it doesn't matter what her excuses (reasons, if you will) were or how many times she apologized after the fact, she stuck her nose were it didn't belong repeatedly--even when she knew it pissed people off. So for her to ask why didn't Clark just tell her was the height of arrogance to me. She is not entitled to know EVERYTHING about EVERYBODY, best friend or not. She should have respected her friend enough to let him come to her on his own terms. She was horrible seasons 1-3 and those actions damaged her trustworthiness. End of story. :)

Clark behaved the same way, sure he never pried like Chloe did, but he tried to stick his noes where it didnt belong countless of times and people forgave him for that. I dont see you giving Clark a hard time for that.

She was simply stunned that her so called closest friend didnt trust her or feel comfortable to share anything with him, while they constantly tell each other to be honest, Like Zod said "Clark is the biggest contradiction of them all". Chloe has always and always will be trustworthy when it comes to Clark, he knows that better then anyone.

I guess your opinion is yours, i just wanted to shed some light.

[shy175223]

Your gauging your answer by how long it took to forget them? Seriously? So that means he never Loved Lana because he forgot about her? Seriously? The show disagrees with you

He loved Alicia. There is no Discussion involved. Unless as i said you know it was a Script error then Clarks words will always weigh over what you say.You're right there is no discussion only opininons and the show doesn't disagree me, but you do and that's just fine lets' just leave it at that.

[Raistlin]

Clark behaved the same way, sure he never pried like Chloe did, but he tried to stick his noes where it didnt belong countless of times and people forgave him for that. I dont see you giving Clark a hard time for that.

Usually when Clark stuck his nose in someone's business, he ended up saving that person's life. Clark didn't research Jason, want to know about Adam, or burn the midnight oil trying to figure out what Chloe's meteor power was. That's the difference between looking out for someone's welfare and digging up personal information they don't want you to know.


She was simply stunned that her so called closest friend didnt trust her or feel comfortable to share anything with him, while they constantly tell each other to be honest,

Sorry. I don't buy that. I'm also not remembering all this "honesty sharing" being reciprocal. I remember Chloe harping on it, usually in reference to Clark's relationship with Lana. Then when Clark agreed, she didn't give him a chance to tell her anything because she flew into a jealous rant.


Chloe has always and always will be trustworthy when it comes to Clark, he knows that better then anyone.

Clark knew that from Season 5 forward. Season 1-4 he did not know that.

[Ankhara]

It was a good episode. I'm sure Clark cared about Alicia and her death affected him. Very sad. :(

[nate-dog1701d]

The Lana thing, tell me, how would you feel that your best friends with this really hot girl/boy and you just patched things up and promised to be totally honest with each other, then he/she goes and makes out with a girl/boy who is also your friend who your promised to also be honest and open with each other, witnessing all this while they both know how much you love your best friend? You have to understand Chloe felt betrayed, and her reaction was VERY much understandable.


She was burned by teenage love, so she sold Clark out to the devil? I'm sorry, but that's inexcusable. She was half justified in confronting him about it, in that it was the logical thing to do, but she didn't give him twenty-four hours before hounding him (on a day in which he was supposed to serve as Best Man in Lex's wedding). It should have ended at that, but she sought Lionel out and literally put Clark's life in danger. That's just horrible. I believe in forgiving people, but that's hard to get over. What if she ever gets exploited in a weak moment again in the future? Imagine if she actually knows Clark's secret when that happens? If I were Clark, I probably wouldn't have told Chloe my secret after that.